Thanks @DwightHoward for a few days of great workouts in Aspen!! Headed back home now! #maroonbells http://t.co/Izz4aM0Ung
— Jeremy Lin (@JLin7) September 12, 2013
Thanks @DwightHoward for a few days of great workouts in Aspen!! Headed back home now! #maroonbells http://t.co/Izz4aM0Ung
— Jeremy Lin (@JLin7) September 12, 2013
It's still a good thing, jlinfan#1.
ReplyDeleteAt least Lin and Howard are off to a good start.
Training camp is around the corner. There will be ample opportunity for Lin and Howard to work on things further.
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Deletesorry you had to delete my racists and homophobic posts, mod. i promise to stay on my best behavior from now on.
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DeleteHere, let me kiss your butt because butt kissing is what I'm good at. U are the only mod who will tolerate my delusional thinking ( let's face it no way I last a day in other forums ). The check for $100 is in the mail.
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DeleteIt's still a good thing, jlinfan#1.
At least Lin (YOU) and Howard (i) are off to a good start.
Training camp is around the corner. There will be ample opportunity for Lin ( YOU) and Howard (ME) to work on things further. ( ^^ wink wink)
you also agree that khuang is smart and calculating now?
DeleteP.S Thank you for keeping me out of the Khuang free zone. I think I'm beginning to fall in livw with you. U r a girl right?! Ur stud, khuang
DeleteP. P.S. Did u notice how I'm shutting those LOH's down?! I'm da man. I will defend you, your forum and the rest of the Lin fans with honor.
Yeah, khuang is clearly a loud mouthed, delusional, and often times a moronic and creepy DB but other than that I'd say he is pretty smart.
Deletenot to mention ass kisser. pop doggy actually think khuang is his best friend in the previous thread just because he said a few nice things to him.
Deletethem christian brothers here really fall for them two faced liars like falwell and khuang.
He calls him so effectionately .. Hey musician... How cute...
DeleteU better watch out, he is going to talk to psalm about u.."behind your back"...
lol yah talk.. type more like it. khuang doesn't talk to anyone in person here. he's busy working during rocket games that's why he refuses to meet up with psalm at a rockets game.
DeleteA post-up or pick and roll big man are a POINT GUARD's best friend. They know that the SG is going to score and put up shots, but that they will get their easy points and touches by befriending the PG.
ReplyDeleteHoward probably learned from playing next to Kobe and will help out Lin instead of let Harden dominate it 90% of the time now.
FWIW Dwight also worked out at least one day on 8/28 in Houston with Harden. No mention of Hakeem being part of the workout.
ReplyDeleteSo 2 days for Lin plus Hakeem could be a plus for Lin.
@DwightHoward 28 Aug
Jus finished workin out http://instagram.com/p/dlW96KKi5X/
Are you sure they were working out? All I see are scenic photos from their "workout". LOL at Lin's tweet earlier: "Stuck in the middle seat of a 3 hour plane ride." Was he flying Southwest and forgot to check in beforehand? =D
ReplyDeleteyah i wanted to see some work out videos or pics but... not seen any yet. maybe it's top secret. don't want to show other teams their new secret pick and roll work outs... yah right.
DeleteMaybe they are having every one work out with d12. Next thing u know Bev is in Denver..
DeleteThis was much ado about nuthin'
bev already worked out with jones and smith right? and reggie williams.
Deletei wished lin had a chance to practice set plays with smith and jones too.
Yeah that would be a total game changer. It clearly means that Lin is now a foundational piece. Boy were we wrong! Maybe we should get another thread!!!
Deleteyah, we LOH are eating crow...
Delete@GoRockets7
ReplyDelete@DwightHoward what you Lin dream and McHale been working on mainly bro?
@DwightHoward
@GoRockets7 everything pick n roll post ups shooting.
so nash was wrong about d12 unwilling to pnr.
DeleteHoward just didn't like the guys he was stuck with in LA. He didn't even like Nash. Probably the age gap made it hard to relate to the guys over 32...
DeleteI'm pretty surprised at the Lakers loyalty to Kobe, but I guess they will ride Kobe till he retires. He does make the team money if nothing else. It will be interesting to see if they let Kobe leave in the summer.
If Carmelo and Kobe are the future for the Lakers, that's a damn sad future Laker team that will go nowhere except into 1st and 2nd round playoff exits for years to come. Sadly though, I can see the Lakers doing it. They will stay relevant but won't be a real contender. It's like what the Knicks are now, a competitive overpaid team that will do nothing in the playoffs but go out in the 2nd round if that.
But the name of the game is to make money, not win games for most of these teams. It's a business.
Denver improved after melo left. The melo/iverson experiment didn't go too well either.
DeleteLol... Did u guys really expect like 2 weeks of personal training with d12?
ReplyDeleteIt was Lin's audition to see how he fits in with Dwight.
Nothing is settled.
I don't know if you guys are naive or innocent.. Don't tell me you believe in Santa Claus... Lol..
no but i believe the invisible man who lives in the sky and has a list of things we shouldn't be doing...
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo
Dude we are both going to hell. Thank god we have people praying for us on this site..
Deletelol while murmuring "i told you so" under their breath.
Deleteetane, you're an ignorant and intolerant piece of trash.
Deleteyour description is completely wrong and offensive. God created man. God is not a man. that is all atheists have done lately in forums. they keep regurgitating and parroting that false offensive comment. you have no original idea of your own, etane. anybody can go to a richard dawkins fan blog to hear the exact same statements.
i hate all atheists. you believe we're all just animals. you believe there was nothing before the big bang. you believe there is nothing after we die. you believe there is no soul. you believe humans have no true purpose. therefore you can troll and incite as much as you want, according to your "animalistic instincts" for predation and survival.
we might speculate some guardian angels are known to request for some backups :]
DeleteI really feel the Christian love here.. Like God said, love all other Christian like u love yourself. U can hate everyone else.. Oh wait.. That's not what he said?!
Deletelet's be patient, @lin2improve :]
DeleteI agree atheists should show tolerance to people of faith and vice versa. It's okay not to accept others' belief (Christianity/atheism/Buddhism, etc.) but it's not okay to make fun and disrespect others' belief. Not cool, Etane }-)
IMHO At the same time, I don't think God wants people of faith to reciprocate the hate from others and dwell on it. To do so will close any communication channel and let the prince of darkness win.
Just my 2cent.
Or @lin2improve, you can just skip over the posts from names you don't enjoy.
DeleteYou're not being forced give it a second of your life right?
Or u can talk "behind their back" and talk to psalm about how annoyed u r.
Deletewow i am speechless about the fundamentalist christian remarks made on this basketball forum. oh wait, maybe it should be expected since lin is a christian and those who don't think like him or believe in the same diety like him doesn't belong here.
Delete-i hate all atheists
that's great since i am not an atheist!
- God created man. God is not a man.
you are so knowledgeable about god! tell me, does he speak to you personally? or else, how do you know anything about him? do you have an "in" with the all mighty?
personally, i am not atheist nor am i anti religion. i just feel it's an human error for humans to think they know anything about their supposed creator as if he's your best buddy. get over it. you have no clue about who your creator is nor anything about him.
Dude that was some angry comment though. I haven't such sincere vitriol since k smith went crazy on me for reneging on my promise...
Deleteyah for a religion that preaches love, that sure is a lot of hate. righteously indignant more like it.
DeleteMy position is every time when somebody is given a choice, he fucks up gloriously. But to be responsible, you have to give this man a choice. In occasions, you have someone like JLin who turns out exceptionally well. I am pleased with him. The superb being may also be pleased with him.
DeleteYet the message is loud and clear in the gospel what you need to do for your salvation. You need to be qualified before you can be saved. Yes there is a screening for thy salvation.
The almighty God has a plan for everyone. They could be saved despite their background, race, or jobs. That's as fair as it can be. I believe what one does affects his sons and daughters. It's as fair as it can be. At the end, they do have a chance for salvation too. For what I don't know, I don't ridicule. I think we can read the bible for more truth.
Religion does help my life and I believe it can help others. At the end of a day, you make your decision if you need to be saved.
It was for sure an audition. However the real audition will be the preseason. We know quick trigger McHale wont give Lin time to warm up before pulling him. He needs to come out like freakin' Rocky Balboa . eye of the tiger baby
ReplyDeleteWell , we were never able to predict the Linsanity in the past , and we never be sure about the future of Lin . Life is unpredictable . Anyway , in order to sell Lin , they do not want him to be looked really bad .
DeleteThis whole Denver thing was just a clever set up by Morey and the team to soften Lin up to the media and the team.
ReplyDeleteThey were scared of his great "I'm not falling for it" answers to Friedman and his unwavering "they kicked me to the curb when Harden came along" talk.
So now Mchale gives Lin some "attaboys" in Denver and they even spend 2 days exclusively with Lin and Howard, allowing Lin to think he matters to them. Howard tell Lin the same, that he matters.
Now Lin is following Rocket players on twitter, and acting like part of the team again. I'm sure the Houston media will interview Lin soon again and ask him more questions and I hope he gives them the same "screw off" answers as before.
The Rockets will do all they can to win Lin over by then. They even stuck Lin on billboards again after Lin's comments how he was on billboards last season as the main guy...
Sadly, I predict what the Rockets want is for Lin to average marginally decent numbers in a limited but starting role the next 2 years. I think the Rockets are actually dumb enough to want to try to make this work by marginalizing Lin but doing it in a way that they think they can pull the wool over Lin's eyes, like they didn't do it intentionally.
And they think they will be able to keep Lin around for the global Asian market and offer him a manageable contract because nobody else will want him and offer him a starting gig in 2 years once he's been marginalized the next 2 years.
Now that the Rox are STUCK with Lin,, they will milk as much money as possible from the often unsuspecting and innocent Lin fans who easily gets duped with words and not concrete actions..
Delete"Ask the GM".
DeleteI just find it comical how this site erupted with joy when that tweet hit.
DeleteAnd I was the pessimist for seeing the truth .. The cloud of hell as someone called it,
This mob mentality really needs to stop. People need to think for themselves and stop listening to the little man who uses caps..
@Swing
DeleteSkepticism about their motives aside, I think it's encouraging that they didn't just sweep his feelings aside. I mean, they could've just ignored his comments and kept him marginalized.
I'm not saying I believe their motives are pure. But it's still good that Jeremy got that bonding time with Dwight, and that he's on the website and billboards.
When will some people learn... SMH... I say pop doggy is clearly an extension of Lin's attitude. Is this what u guys want Lin to be?!
Deleteswinglinezigzag, it's very possible all of that is true.
DeleteIt's also very possible that Lin will make the best of the opportunity, just as Lin has always done.
The Rockets so far are going forward with Lin, though we fans may view that with healthy apprehension.
I just think they want to make the most out of Lin and trade him away for a better value . The key for Lin to outlast Mchale in Houston is on Howard , because he was always a coach killer .
DeleteIOW, khuang, nothing has changed.
DeleteFallacious.
DeleteThanks for your clever article too
DeleteAnyway, D12 won't be around for more than a few years if the championship is not achievable then. The Rox has to get to the top in these 2 years before Parson, Asik and JLin become free agents altogether.
DeleteWith the money left after paying Harden and D12, the team could not easily find players to take them to the top. It's now or never for D12.
What everyone says on here is true...we'll see how this all plays out. If Lin is still around in yr 3 of his contract, that team will have the best chance of doing serious damage imho.
DeleteA bigger problem than Lin is who plays PF? If their PF kicks butt, this team will be lethal offensively unless Harden is given Kobe treatment again.
swinglinezigzag said, "The NBA is an offensive league. Nobody cares if anyone plays defense until the playoffs. Guys get paid to be offensive stars... Basketball requires explosiveness if not more than conditioning. You can be a damn finely conditioned person but lack athleticism. You're asking Lin to train for cross country running but this is basketball."
ReplyDeletei never once mentioned "cross country". i said lin averages over 30 minutes per game. basketball has time-outs, commercial breaks, and a half-time. i never said jeremy lin should be a 120-pound, skinny runner who races 3 miles.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/34797/jeremy-lin-on-the-rockets-part-ii
an assistant coach of an nba d-league team wrote, "Defense is really hard to quantify, but one of the best ways to do so is to look at Synergy Sports' isolation numbers. Using those metrics, Lin rates poorly. In isolation situations, he allowed a PPP of 0.971 (bottom 16 percent among NBA players) on 45.1 percent shooting last season. Defensively, Lin really struggles keeping his man in front of him, and that shows both on tape and in the numbers. According to Synergy Sports, he allowed his man to drive to the basket on 80.9 percent of the isolation possessions that he defended against.
This comes down to lateral quickness. Lin just can't stay in front of NBA-quality point guards."
i think plenty of people actually do care about defense. you should ask bruce bowen, mutombo, ben wallace, tony allen, or avery bradley what defense means.
did i say jeremy lin should be swinging a racket for 6 hours? or did i say he could pick up pointers from an elite tennis coach to address his biggest weakness? he doesn't need to run faster or jump higher. what he needs to do is shift his bodyweight side-to-side to get out of being at the bottom in isolation defense. most point guards simply lay up the ball, not go for a ferocious dunk.
i think jeremy should be balanced with conditioning and athletic ability. it sounds like you want jeremy lin to be composed of primarily fast twitch muscle fibers.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/russell_westbrook/
did you know one of the most explosive players in the nba is listed at 6 foot 3 and 187 pounds? do you want him to lift heavier and heavier weights like a powerlifter, wrestler, or football player?
i think we have very different views. for a center or power forward, then i would agree that they should increase upper body strength to box out, post up, and maintain position in the paint, but the point guard position is the smallest and fastest.
chris paul, one of the best point guards in the nba, is listed at 175 pounds. steve nash is listed at 178 pounds. i think we disagree here on what an nba point guard should be. it should be about accuracy, experience, skill, court vision, and timing. i want jeremy lin to improve in all areas and not be obsessively closed-minded toward one dimension like how you seem to be.
How many steal you can get from the good one on one defense expert ? My friend , you have to look at the big picture . Do you think Tracy Mcgrady is better game offense player than Jordan and Parker ? Yes , you really do.
Deletewhat swing is saying is tennis training is incompatible with nba training as nba players require more explosiveness and bulk rather than merely being light of foot laterally.
Delete-Lin just can't stay in front of NBA-quality point guards.
says you. he shuts down the drives but occasionally give up perimeter shots and pnr points because his teammates' defensive rotations and ability to shut down big men down low (forcing lin to cover for them) are nonexistent.
Jordan was never a great one on one defense player , but I can tell you he was a excellent game defense player .
DeleteIn NBA , no point guard can shut down a average point guard player one on one totally , if you saying something like that , I suggest you have watch ten more years of basketball of video tape.
Deletedan, he doesn't watch nba. he watches wimbeldon.
DeleteEtane , I believe (if he is the coach) he will bench Magic Johnson because Magic would be the bench player for Lin . Because Magic is too slow to be a real NBA player to guard one on one .
DeleteHa Ha ha ........
Deletehe will bench lin too for federer and michael chang.
Deletethat article was written by an assistant coach in a D-League team on August 14, 2012. TRY AGAIN buddy
Deleteblake, sure i can try again. easy.
Deletehow about 4/19/2013? is that close enough for you?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2013/04/19/synergy-sports-postseason-first-round-analysis/2097315/
"Against Lin, he has the advantage. Lin is near the bottom of the NBA, 22nd percentile, when defending isolations (.933 PPP)."
come back to me with a better message next time, blake.
lin2improve, I assume you don't play much basketball yourself. You might be a semi pro tennis player or trainer for all I know. But this is basketball, not tennis.
DeleteYou are correct Lin can use some help on improving lateral quickness on defense. However, footwork in doing basketball defensive slides is different than tennis. We all know this. In one sport, you are chasing a small object at high speed, with no physical contact, holding a racket, and covering huge lateral space, often running sideways to get the ball without doing perfectly clean and precise pure lateral shuffles. In the other, there's tons of contact, another person is in your face, and the separation of space is much tighter requiring precise and quick lateral shuffles.
There's a reason the NBA teams don't employ tennis coaches to train professional basketball players on lateral defense. And you seem obsessed with Lin's defense. Lin is famous because of his offensive exploits...He could become 2x better than Tony Allen and nobody would care.
If Jeremy not being able to guard 80% of the PGs in the league is a problem, shouldn't we ask the question of, can those 80% PGs guard Jeremy? I've seen numerous times when Jeremy just blew by most of his defender for a lay up or an outlet pass. Why so be narrow minded?
ReplyDeleteSo as magic Johnson and Mark Jackson .
Deleteaccording to lin2improve, blowing by your defender is not as important as being able to crab walk.
DeleteBasketball is always a team sport , you can turn a weakness to be a advantage for the team . Think twice , I hope you understand what I try to say , if you do not . Watch more game game .
DeleteIf you really understand the game , you can see he is better than 80% of PGs in the league in defense because he understood the game so much . How many point guard can drew a foul like Lin by putting both of his hands behind his back and maintain his position , that told you how well he read the game .
DeleteHow you figure it's 80% either way? If that's your premise you obviously know nothing about basketball.
Delete"The real question is what is a pretty Asian girl posting on this site?? "
DeleteThis is what Khuang is thinking...
Got cha back khuang.. U can do the rest..
khuang doesn't mix work with pleasure. he's here to do his rocket's pr duties.
Deleteotherwise they might be a match made in heaven. they both are high on battier.
DeleteYeah that is what I said Etane... Great minds think a like... I wonder when khuang will jump in..
Deleteu know with all the homophobic comments he's been making during the last 3 months, i am not all that sure he's interested in girls.
Delete@Vicki Lee i wonder that too, they say Lin can't guard those guards but they fail to admit that most guards can't even guard Lin either. it's twisting things to make Lin sound like he's really bad. I will add too that Lin is usually able to guard his person. i have seen multiple times where other guards can't guard him and needs another to help out like the last game against OKC and Clippers, WB and Sefolosha? had to double team Lin and Griffin and CP3 had to double team him too.
DeleteAnd especially what no ones mentions is that when Jeremy is ON he's impossible to guard, it's just people choose to ignore this. but i thought i was the only one who knew of this lol
that's right. lin always draw double teams when he drives to the rim. he's utterly un-guardable off the dribble.
Deleteeven if we discount lin's offensive abilities, no guard can consistently score on lin 1 on 1 not even d rose.
whoever lin is assigned to guard usually has a bad scoring night. only time they can score is when lin's teammate misses an assignment and fail to rotate on defense... usually harden.
btw, khuang, that "lin always draw double team" comment is TM by me.
Deletethis is hilarious.
Deletevicki, there's many types of defense. there's also pick-n-roll defense and post-up defense. jeremy lin has good hands and can get steals. he knows how to play the piano.
magic johnson played in a different era. back in the 1980's they had worse training technology. he's also listed as 6 foot 9. if you had actually watched nba games, then you would know that frequently magic johnson DID NOT EVEN GUARD opposing guards, but byron scott would switch over and help out.
mark johnson never won a championship and has flaws himself. how about john stockton who was a tenacious defender? or gary payton? his nickname was "the glove" because of his defense.
Hi , Atomic , in order to prove I am really a fan understand basketball , I am willing to cut it down to 79 % from 80% , are you willing to accept my deal ?
DeleteDan Dan, hope you're not talking to me haha i've watched almost every single JLin games. Team game? of course it is but it's more individual oriented team game. Kobe, Jordan, Dirk, Shaq, Lebron, KG, DWade, Drose, TD, TP, Blake Griffin... i can go on but all stats that show individual success. If there is a team made up of five Shane Battier, then we'll talk.
ReplyDeletedo not waste your time to watch NBA , it is a 5 on 5 game .
Deletehow do Shane Battier guard Isiah Thomas? Give me a suggestion?
Deleteno you're talking about team game. Shane Battier is know to be one of the best 'team' player in the league... he doesn't usually play for his stats nor does he care about his individual accomplishments although he knows he can get the numbers. Even Lebron acknowledge that if it wasn't for Shane Battier, Miami probably would've never one their first ring.
DeleteHey khuang.. She loves Shane battier!! A match made in heaven!!!
DeleteYeah Shane battier who didn't play 2 of the Finals game is the reason Miami won.. Lol.
not according to me but according to Lebron James. Why is this blog full of people that do not read?!
DeleteYeah whatever Lebron says must mean its true.. It wasn't bird man, it wasn't bosh, it wasn't wade, it wasn't ginobilli effing up game 6.. It was battier.
DeleteWhy doesn't anyone on this site watch the games and make a determination for themselves?!
you have to win 4 games to win the finals. maybe the other two that Shane Battier played were crucial games for them... which he made huge contribution to. Just like Ray Ray hitting that jumper to seal game 6 this past finals...
Deletesolidz75, you sound like a hater... i'll stop talking.
DeleteExactly let's not overreact about battier's role.. A lot of things had to happen for it to go their way...
DeleteLebron is just being a good teammate... What is up with people taking player's word at their face value?'
Vikii, u look like you are on your periods. I will stop using logic..
Deleteoh wow. sexism. is that allowed on here?
Deletemaybe you need to get laid and calm down? oh wait, you're too uptight, what girl would want you? now i understand why you're hating... so sorry.
Shane Battier is more like a garbage man , you can give him a very high rating , or you treat him like a non factor , if you put Shane in team like Washington . he is a non factor . If you put Lin on Washington , he will be a creator .
Deletelol solidz you nailed it. match made in heaven!
DeleteOoh, battle sexism with sexism.. That is the way to battle.
DeleteAnd I think I'm not the only one who needs to get laid here. Lol.
Anyone can worship Shane Battier all they want, I don't give a damn about that. As long as they don't imply for Lin to become just like Shane Battier, then they will have a problem with me.
DeleteEtane.. This is awesome. We found a match everyone!!! Rejoice!!!
Deleteokok stop guys lets be nice to the lady.
Deletewe're just appear to be mean because certain things u said just happen to resemble this other person's comment and it's kinda funny. = P
Where da hell is khuang, that idiot?!
DeleteThis is the perfect time for him to jump in and be her knight in shining armor. I couldn't have set it up any better for him. Don't U agree?!
Etane.. That ser up wasn't for you.. Dude..
DeleteAnyways.,I think I reached a new low today.. I ll go and repent...
lol i was thinkign the same thing solidz but i am afraid khuang is already in his wonderwoman pajamas so i had to pull a double duty.
DeleteOf course he never comes in when it matters... I would've let him rip me new hole..
DeleteAnyways, u think she will come back?! Lol.
Imagine the convo they could've had discussing the merits of Shane battier???
DeleteThe things I do for this kid.. And he still hates me..smh..
lol not after the battier comments. she just doesn't know most of us here are hyper vigilant about people comparing lin to battier. so, in an indirect way, it's khuang who scared her away haha.
DeleteI feel bad... I should've let her just duke it out with Dan Dan..
DeleteBut she was pretty mean.. Don't u think?!
for an asian american girl i think she's par for course haha.
DeleteDude.. If this was a real forum, I would've been banned for sure...
DeleteShe's like there is sexism allowed on this site??
I was like hell ya. And racism too!
Vicki Lee, welcome to this forum.
DeleteThere are two LOHs named "Etane" and "Solidz75" trying to ruin this forum with racism and ignorant flaming, as you have already found out.
Just keep posting. Real Lin fans like me are reading and appreciating your basketball knowledge.
LOL real funny, KHuang. Says the man who keeps on throwing homophobic gay slurs and scream racism while applauding bestiality just for the sake defending a troll who trolls people you don't like.
DeleteLove is the answer and we arev all brothers and sisters .
DeleteWhatever, Rikki M.
DeleteYou've contributed mightily to the trolling yourself.
Besides, Etane and Solidz75 are the ones who are into male body parts. Go ahead and join them if you think they're so cool.
Blah blah blah.
lol khuang isn't very original with this basketball "observations" but you have to give him credit with the "i appreciate your basketball knowledge" tagline. he came up with that one all on his own and uses it quite well with all the newbies.
DeleteSolidz75 , I am single and I lonely . Please help .
DeleteSure.. Came to the right place... What kinda girls do I like??
DeleteI'll hook u up.
I mean u.. You like.. Vikki isn't your type?!
DeleteAs u can see I'm pretty good with the ladies..
Of course khuang enters late.. Dude is either scared to talk to girls or he doesn't like then..
DeleteVikki kinda looked hot.. She would've been perfect for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Naf5uJYGoiU
Deletewow solidz, that was not a nice greeting at all to @vicki lee :]
Deleteman, you were right about the new low. You were meaner to her than to KHuang. Imagine that!
@vicki lee, Shane Battier is the ultimate role player with his intelligence, defense and exceptional 3pt shooting but he's not an All-Star proven by Morey's failed analytics experiment in Houston to make him the star. He's lacking the speed and athleticism to make plays during crunch time that all stars need to shake off their defenders. So 5 Shane Battier won't work to win a ring. And you were correct in your first assessment that NBA is a star dominated sports.
Lin and Nash are the rare breed of stars (future and past) who can make their teammates better with their court vision. Lin has more athleticism although Nash's shooting is more consistent at his point so if Nash, the 2-time MVPs, mentors Lin consistently someday who knows how good Lin can be?
See this is why I hate the duplicity of this site. I was not meaner than she was acting.
DeleteIf u look at the posts, she was pretty bitchy with sarcastic comments. But of course I'm the asshole right psalm.
The hypocrisy of people in this site is incredible. Go look at the posts and see how I turned off our female guest. Gimme a effing break psalm..
idk solidz, the period comment was too personal, if I got to be honest.
Deleteyou can ask Etane too. I was actually enjoying the KHuang banter bit :]
Don't be mad, bro :}
Solidz75 ,I am a man with basic instinct , and that is all about me . thank you for hooking me up anyway.
DeleteI thought the period comment took it to the next level.
Deletepsalm: she insinuated that a team with 5 battiers will be able to win a championship. taking this into consideration, i think solidz wasn't mean enough to her. to treat her nice just cuz she's a girl could be construed as sexism as well as favoritism.
Deletesure, if he can nicely debunk her as BOF (Battier Only Fan) without the period comment, that wouldn't have sidetracked the basketball discussion :]
DeleteThat's all I'm sayin'
if u don't believe me and andrewymoon, perhaps we can even bring in via as an expert witness if she's willing. I'll defer to her judgment 100%.
But still, solidz did something solid to introduce her to KHuang. *very touching* :}
lol i was joking with my last comment.
Deletebut in all seriousness, the period comment is probably a 5 compared to a 10 ie. khuang's racial and homo slurs. but, no one points those out. so, why do we start pointing out comments about periods?
sexism and favoritism? = P
oh wait, psalm, you did tell khuang to tone it down with the slurs in the previous thread. however, you claimed solidz and i instigated the slurs and not khuang.
Deleteso my bad!
ah come on :) noone pointed them out? you hurt me, bro :p All my blood, sweat and tears meant nothing to you?
Deleteyou know full well with our wives that 5 level comment will end up with us sleeping on the sofa. Don't steer our bro Solidz wrong, Etane :] Don't u want him to find happiness someday?
Hm, for observation purpose, this is the first time sexism was brought up as an issue in this board. Usually it's just racism, sexual terms, favoritism and religion-bashing. I think we're branching out with new people here!
oh, thank you, thank you for the acknowledgement :)
DeleteIn my recollection, you and solidz did bring up the p and c word although only 1 time but khuang has a strong memory and kept bringing them up so it did make him look bad and more guilty :] But khuang learned from it and improved his debunking technique
Just tryin' to be fair, man haha.
Perhaps other old-timers can help to verify if my recollection is accurate :]
hey i gave you credit for pointing out SOME of khuang's "masterpieces"!
Deleteand, "bro", there's nothing bad about being a swinging single. we should be emulating solidz instead of him emulating us... = P
and, don't forget about atheism bashing!
apparently my response got removed... so here we go again.
Deleteyou old timers should remember that P was used figuratively at someone not in this forum ie "lin acted like a p".
and c word is used affectionately the same way black people call each other the n word.
in both cases, no personal attacks were committed.
so, i fail to see the connection between p and c with khuang's use of slurs purposely used to attack people on this forum.
but, who am i to say you're wrong in equating p and c with homophobic and asian hater slurs.
oh no, you're getting closer to that sofa, I'm not biting bro :) I'm a happily married man.
DeleteNothing wrong with being single but solidz has asked for dates with via (or close to it) before so we ought to help him out more. haha
hey i thought you were the one who said you prefer the journey over the destination... maybe solidz prefers just playing the game and not caring about whether he wins or loses... = D
DeleteThat period comment? Yeah okay psalm.. That was sooo bad. i guess joking about pmsing or acting bitchy during that time of the month is sooo muh worse than homophobic slurs or accusing others of bein racist. GTFO.
DeleteThis girl clearly couldn't take anyone disagreeing with her, so she left. Woop dee doo. Now you guys can no longer stalk her on google +...my bad..
Yeah next time a girl comes let's all kiss her ass no matter how cray she sounds..
Magic Johnson and Mark Jackson not being able to guard 100% of the PGs in the league , agree or not ?
ReplyDeletearen't you just proving my point? haha
DeleteVicki Lee , you are welcome !
Deletei don't understand what you're trying to say... so Magic and Mark Jackson not being able to guard proves what?
Deleteexcuse me? lol do you even know what i am talking about?
Deleteyou gave no explanation... lol it's like me saying...
DeleteMJ and Vince Carter dunked on 100% of NBA players. YOURE WELCOME! lol
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Deletewhy are we even discussing Lin's defense as if it's bad? he's way better than 75% of the point guards out there in that department. do note, that article lin2improve linked to was written by an assistant coach in a D-League team on August 14, 2012. so those Synergy stats was from when Lin played as a NYK (possibly). we all know he's improved drastically since that time.
DeleteVicki Lee , sorry I never pay too much attention for watching dunk contest in any of all star game . I guess I am an outdated basketball fan.
Deleteblake, go back up to my message about the year 2013 for the playoffs... then get back to me.
DeleteVicki Lee , how about a game between 5 Lin against 5 Shane Battier ,what is your bet ?
Deletehttp://corp.synergysportstech.com/
Delete"• Cuts and catalogs every possession of every
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schools and international teams everywhere
• In-depth stats and analytics with direct links to
video matching any stat in any category
• Answer questions such as “who is my best
clutch shooter on the road in games decided
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game” using Synergy’s Filtration analytics"
if anybody doubts the statistics at synergy, you should go tell every single nba team to stop paying money to them. with their service, you can click a button and see a replay video of every single one of jeremy lin's defensive isolation plays and watch him get scored on. this is serious, and i want jeremy to correct his flaw.
NBA is a business organization and please leave Lin alone . What is the statistics of Nash this season ? Think twice and look for the article and critic about Nash.
Deletelin2improve, haha get the f out.
Deleteu used an article dated aug of 2012 to make a point. that's already really sad. and then you want me to read your message about the "year 2013 for the playoffs". lmfao! no, i will not get back to you. ur done
lin2improve must be a excellent student !
Deleteblake, what's the matter? you want to just conveniently ignore the 2013 article that completely contradicts your messages against me?
Deletethat's fine if you're too scared to reply to me. you don't have to get back to me. peace bro.
dan says, "lin2improve must be a excellent student !"
Deletei'm asian.
nash was always criticized for his defense. he also never won a championship, but he played all 4 years in college just like lin. nash's first seasons in the nba were pretty bad statistically. by studying his career, jeremy lin can focus on actual skills and see that it's never too late to improve his game just like steve nash did.
i do not think think lin needs to add 20 pounds of muscle by lifting heavy or whatever swinglinezigzag wants.
if you want to just sweep it under the rug, lin's isolation defense numbers... or if you want to be delusional and say there's nothing wrong with lin's defense... then that's your choice.
lin2improve, you're a funny guy!
Deletekeep reading , work hard be a honest person and that is your future.
DeleteOh , I forgot , be a good citizen too
Deletethere are not too many Nash hater globally , i am glad lin2improve is one of them .
Deletehonestly lin2improve actually makes some sense when he's arguing against micheal terry. but, without MT here, lin2improve's arguments are sorta falling flat because no one here is making the case that lin2 is arguing against that lin should gain 20lbs more muscle.
DeleteEtane, sometime that is something to do deal with timing .When Yao Ming was in NBA for the first season , in order to be competitive with Shaq, he need to gain weight . For the long run of his career , I am not quite sure .....
Deleteswinglinezigzag wrote on 9/11/13 at 5:50 pm under the previous blog entry, "Lin's obviously one of those naturally skinny type Asians who aren't necessarily big & strong so he had to hit the weights hard to have a chance to properly use his natural speed and quickness in games."
Deletewhen i see the words "skinny type Asians" and then "he had to hit the weights hard", that sounds like he's advocating that lin should be in the 95th or higher percentile in terms of bodyweight.
swinglinezigzag wrote on 9/12/13 at 1:55 pm, "The NBA is an offensive league. Nobody cares if anyone plays defense until the playoffs. Guys get paid to be offensive stars. Lin's weight training is focused completely on improving his offense."
i don't think lin should focus "completely" on offense. i think some people care about defense. the synergy stats are real and very concerning. if lin was at the 70th percentile in iso defense, then i would shut my mouth.
Again lin2improve, you a such excellent student .
Deletehttp://www.nba.com/rockets/news/full-speed-ahead
Delete"My strength coach, Daryl Eto, thought that I had really bad posture and knew that that meant, as an athlete, I was moving less efficiently than I should be. So we addressed it and he came up with a plan to specifically improve that."
when i remember past games, i can notice jeremy having a hunch on his back. when i think about it, yea jeremy looked sluggish here and there at times, but i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.
now with comments from michael terry and swinglinezigzag, i believe that jeremy lin is receiving bad advice about bulking up "to take hits" or "explode". they were never elite point guards themselves nor have they trained any. the simple concept is "bigger is better". that is not necessarily true for the specialized role of a professional point guard.
http://nba.si.com/2013/08/21/jeremy-lin-houston-rockets-daryl-morey/
jeremy said, "I wrote in my diary: ‘I’m tired and weary and can’t wait for the season to end.’"
if jeremy were 190 pounds instead of the 210 pounds during linsanity, then over the course of 82 games, in my opinion, his recovery will be faster. extra muscle mass requires extra blood flow for maintenance. this will also put an extra burden on the digestive system because you have to consume extra calories for this new mass as well.
you can also shift your body mass much more easily for defense. you don't need me to tell you that.
Statistics often LIE about Lin.
DeleteWe've seem ample evidence of scorekeepers cheating Lin.
As far as an "isolation" goes, that depends on how that's defined.
Lin can get "isolated" on the perimeter against opponents catching him in multiple screens as his Houston teammates refuse to help him out. That's one example of how a team failure on defense can be used to make Lin look worse than he really is.
Most people who actually watch the games with an unbiased view can see Lin hustling to shut people down. He's a terrific defensive guard, and that's why his teams win so much.
you talk about jeremy "hustling". i agree 100% there.
Deletei'm not questioning jeremy's desire.
i'm not questioning jeremy's effort.
i'm not questioning jeremy's court awareness.
i already said jeremy knows how to play the piano. he's an amateur musician. you're a pro, khuang? what instrument do you play?
anyway, jeremy has good hands for stealing.
i've also seen jeremy getting good positions and drawing charges. jeremy is an unselfish player and even picks up leftover trash on the private jet that his teammates leave behind.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/19647218/jeremy-lin-says-linsanity-got-into-his-head
"he even did things like pick up trash on the team plane, volunteering to carry bags and opening doors."
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/53195/the-defense-of-a-shooter
"Every single number in their massive database is backed with video. In other words, don't take their word for it. Click the button and watch for yourself. What Synergy does, and what most NBA teams pay mightily for, is employ an army of people to watch every second of hoops in the NBA and other leagues and categorize every single play various ways -- for instance, as a spot-up, isolation or pick-and-roll."
I play guittar professionally, lin2improve.
DeleteI don't trust any NBA statistical service any more than I trust the legions of NBA front offices that insisted that Jeremy Lin was not good enough to play in the NBA.
My eye test saw Lin getting all sorts of stops and making great sefensive plays. He also got scored on, which will happen to anybody who's playing legitimate defense.
The one statistic that counts for Lin is that he WINS.
lin2improve, you have interesting point in analyzing Synergy stats, particularly Lin's PPP in defending isolations of 0.971 (bottom 16 percent among NBA players) on 45.1 percent shooting in 2012.
DeleteDo you have access to Synergy stats? In analyzing stats, it's useful to see trend (2011-2013 or month-to-month in 2013) and the comparison to other PGs.
The main reason is we can see if there is improvement from the Warriors time to Knicks time to Houston time. Also, month-to-month trend last season would be good because earlier in the season we saw how Lin was too enamored with his help defense by leaving too much space for his man and got burned by wide-open 3s. But he got better in the 2nd half. So it's good to see improvement to know if he already worked on it and got better.
As for the comparison with other PGs, it's important to understand how well or badly one PG compared to the other PGs in defending isolations. We saw how Lin also burned Russel Westbrook and CP3 so other PGs also have problems defending quick, athletics PGs like Lin, too.
Plus it's important to understand how they calculate the PPP in defending isolation to know which particular area of weakness that Lin can improve. From my eye test, Lin had no problems defending big PGs (Vasquez even big point-forward like LeBron) but had some problems with quicker, smaller PGs like Parker (who doesn't) or CP3. He held his own in some games against Westbrook.
If you can get these trend and comparison stats, that would be beneficial for us to analyze. Thanks!
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Deletecome on psalm234 , you are bad.
Deleteno really, Dan Dan. lin2improve has a good starting point but it's important to understand what the stats mean.
DeleteI'd be happy if Synergy provides the month-to-month PPP defending against isolation. I won't be surprised if Lin's stats were worse earlier in the season due to too much help defense and the knee recovery but significantly better in the 2nd half. Remember the Utah ~40pt win game that he almost single-handedly shut down Utah offense?
Funny nobody here put share of the blame on the coach, really weird. Also try evaluate how Asik performed defensively(especially during the time Noah's absence due to injury) under Tibs and under McHell.
DeleteI don't think it is fair to put the blame only on Lin like this lin2improve dude keeps on emphasizing it relentlessly. McHale have multi all NBA defense team back in his days but that doesn't automatically translate him to be a good defensive coach and quite frankly, I think he can't even coach at all.
There are a lot of perks that other starting point guard have that Lin don't, but I'm sure synergy don't give a shit about it.
Sorry psalm234, I only watched game and I do not understand too much about stats ,all I saw Lin was only PG of the team without the ball and standing around at the corner , and Harden was the only ball handler of the team . All the stats was based on that ,. Well , I am lost .
DeleteRikki M, you are damn right .
DeleteI see Lin is a 5-5 player. He embraces the concept of team defense and team offense; taking what the opposition team gives and carve up the defense in parts.
DeleteHe blew by lots of PGs in the league to score. There are lots of PG blew by him but not necessarily scored.
The ISO ball is not really effective in the basketball game right now because you wound up having the best defensive players defending you in turns and that really took your game away unless your teammates are helping you out. It's a team effort in winning basketball games. the point is a winning chemistry and how much a ball can contribute to that.
Much has been exaggerated on Lin's turnovers and little was mentioned to the plays leading to the turnovers. To me a Lin's turnover mostly were caused by gambling on easy baskets. Many of the long bombs and passes had been scores and the others were missed for reasons other than Lin's miscalculations.
Lin gambled on defense a lot. Either within that 24 seconds, he stole the ball or let you blew by and have his teammate covered you. His percentage of breaking up plays is not bad at all. It really passed the eye tests.
If you could slow down your opposite team, you will have better chance of not letting the opposite team score within 24 s. That can explain on Lin's strategy of defense.
Based on Lin's past record in matching with other NBA PGs; for example, DWilliam, Mike Cooney, Westbrook etc. He has been a decent PG.
most people have misconception that PG got blew by is a big weakness , in a lot of big game , they intentional do that . That is what happened to Nash in lot of playoff games and cause him a ring .
Deletepsalm, i see what you're saying. it's better to look at his progression instead of an overall average. lin probably did better as time went on because of his knee surgery.
Deletesorry i don't have access to more detailed info, but those low percentiles are very worrying. if lin were in the 48th percentile, then i would think, yeah, maybe he can improve on his technique or maybe the coaching can have better defensive plans. however, the synergy numbers make me think there is an underlying, systemic problem regarding his bodyweight and training.
i agree that if you're posting up, boxing out, setting a pick, trying to tackle someone in football, or trying to go for a takedown in wrestling, then lifting heavier and heavier weights is going to be a positive.
http://www.teamgb.com/athletes/greg-rutherford
this is the gold medal-winning champion of 2012. greg rutherford, after converting the metric measurements, is 6 foot 2 and 187 pounds. i'm sure he can produce plenty of explosiveness when he's rushing to the line and leaping in the air. excess weight will only slow you down.
point guards are the shortest, lightest, and quickest in the nba. you can't try to force a "bigger is better" philosophy on them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxloD5U3tms
i have a compilation of isolation plays on lin. please take a look and give suggestions on how he can improve.
No questions that Lin gave too much space or might have lacked the lateral speed in this one video from his NY days.
DeleteBut don't fear!
I'd recommend to watch JeremyLintel: Jeremy Lin is an Underrated Defender 1 to see highlights (starting at 11:01) that he performed good defense against bigger players like Kobe.
It shows great anticipation, strong help defense, and even bodying-up Kobe's isolation.
JeremyLintel also made an interesting comment that D'Antoni system encouraged a lot of switching but McHale stressed man-on-man defense.
Even if you're still still concerned with Lin's Synergy isolation defense, we can still be glad that the same article cited 88 percentile on Lin's PnR offense in his matchup against Westbrook. Yes, Lin can improve on iso defense but his other area of defense is very strong.
We just need to keep things in perspective. Not bad for a player with only 1 full season, right?
Thanks for the youtube clip of Lin's defense when he was playing for the Knicks, lin2improve.
DeleteIn your video, I didn't see anything that Lin was doing wrong.
This is the NBA where the best defensive players get scored on.
From what I saw Lin doing with the Rockets last season, I have no recommendations for Lin. Only AWE.
lin2improve,
DeleteIf all athletic trainers had to be elite basketball point guards to qualify, there wouldn't be any athletic trainers on the planet. I get you are saying people like myself are unqualified to voice an opinion any more so than you. I can agree with that.
To that extent, I apologize for belittling your opinion that Lin should train with tennis instructors to perfect his lateral movement for defensive purposes. You are entitled to your opinion. While I don't agree, we're all on here posting just because we follow the same player in the NBA.
Now having said that, I have never said Lin needs to bulk up to 210 or 230. It sounds like you assume gaining weight and mass is a by product of weight lifting. If that's the case, you are confusing body building/strongman training with athletic weight training for sports performance.
Yes, I said that Lin is smart to lift heavy weight and do basketball versions of Olympic Lifts. But he can weigh 170 for all I care or continue to drop weight as long as he is building strength and coordination in those exercises. You are the only one harping on Lin's supposed weight gain as a correlation to lifting weights. And I am not sure why...
Again, your post keeps harping on how weight training and doing specific Olympic lifts forcing Lin to become more explosive will force Lin to gain weight and be too big and heavy. Where are you getting this from?
It sounds like something you made up in your head, and/or you are confusing Mr. Olympia body building with athletic weight training because you don't know the difference.
If Lin gains strength and explosiveness, maintains his weight, he will be that much more prepared to defend the guards you are so concerned about. That and Lin needs to practice his footwork on defense.
lin2improve, I am an average basketball player who isn't very good. I have however played against high school stars, college players and pros before.
A long time ago, I played an informal pickup game against Jacque Vaughn, the current Orlando Magic Coach.
If you don't think you need to lift weights, build athleticism, and train like crazy to hang on the court with these types of players unless you are just gifted, you just haven't played against people of that caliber before. Perfecting lateral shuffles would be the least of your worries. When these types of players turn on the burners, hit you with their off arm as they drive past you and put their strength into you, the last thing to be concerned about is actually wanting to get in their way.
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ReplyDeleteJeremyismyidol , speak up . Don't be shame. It is party time !
ReplyDeleteAT ASPEN.
ReplyDeletethat's not a basketball in lin's hands...
DeleteLol. For a guy who went to train with D12 in a "game changing" move, he is doing a lot of sight seeing.
DeleteAre there any pics of him actually with Dwight playing basketball?!
He's just trying to fish Dwight out of the river :]
DeleteI wonder how much time he actually spent training.
Delete2 hours ?!
Maybe he failed the " audition" and they sent his ass back..
Howard was under the water , and actually there is a basketball attached to the wired of the rod . You don't see it because it is under the water . the training is for Howard learn to catch the passing from Lin with the interference of the water turbulence .. Well , this is new advance training technique of Pick n Rod.
Deletecolorado looks like a beautiful place. i'd like to visit there sometime.
Deletefor all the criticisms and hate that lin gets, we should remember that he's a millionaire and doesn't work a 9-to-5 job like most americans. he has the luxury of vacationing and relaxing. i hope he gets success for this upcoming season.
Aspen and Vail are nice, but I didn't like Denver too much. One thing I learned from my trip to Colorado. It means "color of red". Indians, Spanish, Mexicans were in US territories for long time and trading, way before Europeans got here. That's why you see so many Indian and Spanish sounding names.
DeleteJlin 1on 1 Training
ReplyDeleteOld ass video from LAST offseason.
DeleteAnd u know how his season began..
DeleteHe looks like he needs a haircut bad.
Houston staff and management want to pretend they only have 2 stars in Harden and Howard. What they refuse to except is that Lin's star far outshines the others in many ways and across many borders. By not promoting and capitalizing on Jeremy's appeal, they are diminishing their owwn asset.They attempted to snuff him out last season, but still his candle burns. They need to take the, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitide. I hope they do. With the team and staffs support, Lin can live up to everyone's aspirations. Without support, he is fighting an uphill battle.
ReplyDeleteI don't really care how lin is marketed. but, at the very least, don't abuse him by intentionally put him in a position to fail.
DeleteI don't think they are intentionally putting him in position to fail.
DeleteThey just dont give a shit about Lin and want to cater to harden and Dwight.
Lin just needs to find a way to make it work.. They don't care if his new role is suited to him or not.. Because they no longer have to worry about losing him if it comes to that.
Everything changed when they signed harden.
In your world, Lin is the shining star perched above. In reality, he is just one of many talents in the NBA. Lin can play so can many other PGs. The only thing special about Lin is he's Asian. There is nothing to capitalize on other than to placate to the Asian community. The NBA is not going to drop off from the face of the earth without them.
DeleteLin has leadership , and that is something more than talent . That was the frame of the Linsanity .
DeleteAtomic.. And the sky is blue. Thank you for your keen insight.
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ReplyDeleteI was wondering... there is no moderator on this website?
ReplyDeleteI read the comments from time to time but mostly is just pointless trolling/fighting between people like Etane, Solidz75, KHuang.
Being a somewhat neutral observant (only thing I care is Lin doing well in games), they are simply too extremist in their views. And if there is a bad thing in this world, it's an extremist.
Usually when 2 sides are fighting, it feels natural to align oneself to the side you feel closest.
It's really not their case...
I agree 100%.
DeleteI COMPLETELY agree with you, fRO zeny.
DeleteTrolls like KHuang has been sullying this site for months . KHuang in particular continues to TROLL true Lin fans like us by spreading his hate, and RACIST and HOMOphobic slurs.
Lin will ultimately prove these LOH's wrong with his SUPERB play and skill.
We have two CYBERSTALKERS in Etane and Solidz75 who are here trying to ruin it for everyone else.
DeleteThey're trying to CYBERBULLY Lin fans on this forum, as they've done on this thread and on every other post they've been on.
Look at Solidz75 lying again about Lin.
Delete"Can't shoot. Can't defend. Disappointing".
Those are Solidz75 word's about Lin.
And then there's Etane, our resident fortune teller who keeps predicting FAILURE for Lin in Houston and keep firing cultural slurs at Lin fans here.
This forum is going downhill due to Etane and Solidz75 spreading malice.
If I'm the moderator here, I will automatically delete any post from KHuang whenever he mention Solidz75 and Etane in his post, and I will automatically delete Solidz75 and Etane's post whenever they mention KHuang.
DeleteIt is really unbearable to go through the flood these three are capable of generating while fighting.
But I don't want to ignore their post totally since I do enjoy it when they focus more on Jeremy and basketball.
Could you three please...... add "ignore" to your dictionary?