Lin needs to take his season by the balls and play with free will, passion, decisiveness and wreckless abandon and needs to stop hesitating on his jumpshot. Shoot it, chuck it up with confidence and let the the chips fall where they may. And he needs to yell back at McHale and fight back and not be the little timid suffering good Christian. Don't hide behind your humble Christianity. Be cocky, brash and act like you deserve to be an all-star and be treated like one. Grow some big Christian balls for Christ sake!
Friedman: So from a comfort and confidence standpoint where do you feel now?
Lin: Yeah, I think you hit on a big thing – a lot of it is mental; just believing and trusting in your shot.
Me: How can he have more confidence in his shots when his coaches constantly diss him? Lin was clearly nervous and hesitated a lot last season. This season, Lin LIN MUST TUNE OUT the COACHES & Morey, which is hard to do, but he can *IF* he disrespects them in his internal attitude. They would absolutely love for him to be a backup - unless they are going to trade him after one or two months (probable).
Lin: ... this summer – yeah, those trade rumors weren’t enjoyable and it sucked but I remember rumors from earlier in my career ...
Me: Weren't enjoyable?! Lin is either a masochist or polite to the point of stupidity. It's hard to respect someone who acts as if he feel that's a part of being a Christian (I used to be a Christian for many years - and he's taking things out of context)...... maybe they put him up for this as a PR favor.
Friedman: How much are you looking forward to the competition that is going to exist internally? .... this roster, the talent goes three or four deep at almost every position.
Lin: I think that’s going to help us. I think it’s so important to push each other in practice.....
Me: Friedman didn't dare ask outright. Of courrse Lin didn't really answer that one. The Rockets also have 5 PG. Lin will be traded - I hope to a Western team, chicken Morey.
@Spencer "Be cocky, brash and act like you deserve to be an all-star and be treated like one."
What you've said is sort of his obligation as a paid pro - and a lot of players are like that. It's hard for Lin to do because of his own GM and coaches. BUT, like I've said, it can be done if he tunes out and disses them (only internally, of course). Those reptilians are unethical (plus wrong), so Lin should be able to tune them out.
Lin played extremely well the times when the owner was in the audience up front or when they played in NY, because the Morey-McHale team didn't marginalize Lin then.
This interview is very blah. It gives vague prompts to talk about his 'confidence' and 'attitude' -- you can pretty much guess what the responses will be. I like questions that ask specific and game-related things that don't lend themselves to stock answers.
I'm relieved now because the team is not run only by the coaches. Both James and Dwight would want to go all the way to the finals. Shackling Lin would definitely hurt the chance of the rockets. The star players would not let the coaches do it w/o taking responsibility.
Again, McHale will be fired if the Rockets do not go to the conference finals because that is the only area that the Rockets can make significant changes now.
It's good to have McHale and Sampson on the hot seats now.
Don't be too pleased for the wrong reason. Not surprisingly, there is a rumor going around that Lin would be a backup or traded if he doesn't gel fantastically with the current lineup. IMO, he can't gel fully because McHale still can't stand Jeremy Lin.
I'm hopeful that Lin would be traded for his own good - to a Western team (to chicken Morey). Also, then, the Rockets can no longer keep blaming things on Lin who is still paid much less than several PGs he's superior to - especially if given the similar usage as them AND without the weird negative treatment.
The bit about 'playing with your hair' is straight ridiculous. I now imagine countless teen girls now twirling their hair in some silly fashion after reading this article... Come on now, there are so many ways for girls to show they are interested, but guys can't pick up any signals except hair twirling? The reproduction of the human species is doomed.
Who was coaching Lin to tweak his shooting mechanics? Lin's most glaring flaw is his shooting: jumps shots and 3pointers. Sort of puzzling that for a bball player who has been aspiring to play in the NBA since young didn't know that these are the prerequisites to succeed?
Lin did not go to a good basketball high school, and he did not get recruited to an elite basketball college. His parents probably did not think he can make it in the NBA, so they didn't hire coaches for him or make him play in AAU summer leagues where there's more competition. Jeremy's dream was to become a pastor and to serve God. Most of his skills are self taught or taught by his Dad. Other NBA players went to elite basketball schools and colleges that have expert coaches and trainers. Their parents also hire personal trainers to work on their game. If Lin had these advantages growing up, he would have a deadly jumpshot and unstoppable dribble.
First of all, kudos to the mods (and presumbly self-restraint from posters as well) to clean up the personal attacks. We're all enjoying the improved signal-to-noise ratio. Looks like this site is back to the good old days of respectfully debating different viewpoints!
Good interview by Jason Friedman, finally some new information. (I didn't get much out of the Alex Kennedy article).
"Jump a little less high" - I totally agree with this. If you rely on jumping very high for your jump shot, it will be inconsistent when you tire at the end of games. Getting a shot off without getting blocked is more about a quick release than jumping super high. Just look at Steph Curry.
"I’m definitely more comfortable in the underdog role and I definitely feel like I’m back there once again." - Agree as well.
Can't wait for the preseason to start to get the first looks at the team chemistry.
I'm a bit torn about the shooting. Lin is tweaking his shot to resemble that of a catch and shooter. But Lin has always been an off the dribble shooter. Great off the dribble shooters do jump high to shoot (MJ and Kobe type). I know he needs to hit corner 3s on this team, but still :|
I think what he meant was becoming a one motion shooter like Curry. Although I criticized his shootings a lot of time, but the only thing troubles me is his elbow, he is just not a straight shooter. All other aspect of his shooting is pretty good to me.
Curry has a fast release, but he also creates space for his shot with his footwork. He'll quick dribble in one direction, then stop and fade away. It's all about creating space.
I bought the Linsanity instant video about 24 hours ago and watched it once...Then it is no longer available...and could not watch it anymore. Amazon gave me a refund!
It's been taken down, certainly was a mistake. A few people here saw it during the small window it was available. I wanted to wait for my Blu-Ray copy so I didn't go for it.
I bought it and managed to watch it 3 times ( I know, I know, I am an obsessed fan). It shows up in my video library but does not play now :-( I guess I have to request a refund and patiently wait for my kickstarter bluray.
Ironically, this is one instance in which I was willing to pay money for the content, but wasn't allowed to do so. I'll probably end up downloading it for free eventually.
So far this is the best JLin Q&A Jason Friedman has done. I don't like Friedman much.I like J's new attitude, "I’m just going out there to play and not worry about anything: about proving myself to anybody, or proving my worth, or trying to live up to a contract, or whatever. I’m just going to go out there and play completely free of all the expectations and all the noise, the pressure." I say his positive attitude in having D12 in the team is genuine and once they build good chemistry we may be seeing a lot of plays like those Jeremy and Tyson had with the Knicks.
On the fun side, I laughed at his reactions about Chandler's dating advice.Although,if we have a daughter, I wouldn't let Jeremy give dating advice to her. It's my turf as a mom so he better not touch that subject or blood will be shed.
PS - @Psalm, what do you mean by Jessica Alba aura? :D
JCF looks to have good relationships with Lin and Parsons judging from their interviews, videos. Being a Rox employee, JCF had his ways to make Lin look good in his articles by continuously highlighting Lin's impressive 0.4 3pt shooting in the last 3 months of the regular season. I think one time he actually asked a good question about Lin's performance during McHale post-game interview when McHale didn't say anything good about Lin.
This article also has a light-hearted tone to it compared to the last one. I guess the joint-training with Howard helped Lin to be more secure in his upcoming role in Houston.
Yes, a single Jessica Alba aura :] We know you can make it happen!
Lin's high school coach, Diepenbrock: "Lin was a *very very* confident player."
The GM Morey and the coach McHale tried to break Lin's spirits last season. It was a highly unusual thing to do, but then Lin and those two were in a highly unusual situation, where the year before Lin took off *after* he was waived by them. No wonder Lin's confidence was so visibly low. Lin is mentally resilient and has great family support, but the young guy couldn't entirely shut off the two old bosses who should have had better ethics. If Morey and the first two coaches are like that publicly, I wonder what kind of skeletons they have in their closets (i.e, other than the ones we already know about: the NBA ethics violation for McHale and Sampson's NCAA ethics violation).
But from the Friedman interview, Lin may be better prepared this season to fight them mentally; it better be for real because he will need it- but I remember he said something similar last season.
Yep great interview. Love Lin's answers to horrible questions. Notice Friedman did not even touch the "are you a role player?" type questions this time. He knew Lin would shut them down. And then Lin threw in the the "Houston tried to trade me this summer" haha. Lin is learning and learning well.
He also made it clear he intends to break through and achieving Linsanity consistently is something he actually can and intends to do. What a great comment.
None of these comments were what the Rockets wanted or expected to hear. This is Lin at his best. He is not saying he is the man or anything special but he's not saying he can't be the man either. I wished he was able to answer questions like he is now a year ago, but he's really gotten decent at answering these things lately.
Props to Lin. I expect a decent year from him no matter if the Rockets stink or win the championship. I think this year, Morey will no longer let Mchale bench Lin over and over and do those horrible rhythm killing substitutions of Lin like last year either since the team is in tact now.
Infact I liked all the views that solidz, etane and khuang brought to the table, but it just gets ugly when they resort to personal/characteristic attacks.
But I would like to see them again, without the bickerings :)
Any time when Lin suffered because of injury or different game plans from the coach, the LinHaters would come out to diss Lin. When Lin was performing in March and April, those jerks didn't seem to notice. These guys are sick and off balanced.
We're looking for an opportunity to silence those bastards once and for all. Let this be they year Lin become an All-star point guard. We'll celebrate this in the all start break.
I thought Solidz's and Etane's posts made a lot of sense and enjoyed them. Although, after a while, I did skip reading most of the fighting posts, which tainted this site. But it takes two to tango? I assume Solidz was given a warning first.
We "Lin fans" would rejoice that a fellow [and TRUEBLUE] Lin fan is now banned here? Smh.
- How many of us here have gone out to actually call out Rox org [Morey, Jfried, Feigen] for mistreating JLin, like Solidz' did?
- He got banned on CF FOR STANDING UP FOR JLIN! <- How is this a black mark for a Lin fan? Why do people never acknowledge this?
- His views are pragmatic, for which he is constantly maligned as an LOH. As a Lin fan I'd like nothing more than to hunker down and tunnel-vision onto Linworshipfulness too, unfortunately the real world is indeed quite brutal and unfair, and Solidz speaks from this reality. He's one of the few here who would actually risk the ire of the majority to posit real-life workable ways for JLin to overcome his unfortunate situation, and not: 1- wallow in despair and anger. 2- cling to the hopes of a miraculous change on the part of Rox org [or divine intervention of some kind]. 3- signal and pander to groupthink bcos what they really care about is projecting some silly image on a fan forum. 4- sacrifice JLin's future and individuality to some grand racial/ spiritual/ social vision.
As I said before, it's really unfortunate that Solidz got banned because he had some good valid points and he's one of a kind Lin fan with big Lin's signed autographed picture on his wall.
I wish Solidz would know how to be nice. I remember he got banned from CF for questioning the motivation of the owner to benefit from ad-clicks due to LOFs vs LOHs. Even if that might potentially be true, it forced the mod to take action. It's not a wise strategy to get his points across to many people there. Once people get offended and feel disrespected, it's hard for them to see the good points that others have.
I also wish a nicer Solidz would be back. Knowing him, he's not one to change easily. But we can hope for the best.
Really? Just Solidz? Sadly, this will become a bad precedent IMO. Real trolls aren't banned but a true real fan got banned instead. Wherever he is right now, I hope he don't stop calling out on Lin haters and fake Lin fans.
Guess we're no longer allowed to post realistic stuff anymore and only allowed to talk about sunshine and rainbows with unicorns right around the corner.
reading Solidz's posts was like riding on an emotional roller coaster. he was the same over at CFs. you couldn't tell whether he was a fan or a hater. but after a while, you'd come to the conclusion that he's just very emotional with his support for Lin. so, i'd guess you can say he's a "Superfan"? not surprised that he was banned from both sites.. an anit-Lin site and a Lin-site. well, at least, he can say was was the first here. lol
so you disagree that solidz should change, Etane. I can accept that. Why do you feel the need to call people names instead of disagreeing respectfully?
- How many of us here have gone out to actually call out Rox org [Morey, Jfried, Feigen] for mistreating JLin, like Solidz' did? -- A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE. Some of us don't have time to comment every single day. Some of us are tired of calling out the the org, coaches, morey, beat writers because at the end of the day, none of us can change those people or what they write/say. Some of us are rational and understand that really, the only person who can make the situation better is LIN. Yes, he's in a crappy situation with a coach/mngt team that doesn't fully support him but we can't change those people, only Lin can. That's why some of us aren't saying much, we want to see how Lin adapts this season. Constantly complaining about the same people over and over again, isn't going to make the situation better. Complaining about these people is NOT a unique position. I see more people complain about these people than support them, actually.
- He got banned on CF FOR STANDING UP FOR JLIN! <- How is this a black mark for a Lin fan? Why do people never acknowledge this? -- There are a lot of members on that site who are huge Lin supporters but they didn't get banned. Unlike Solidz, they're able to STAND UP FOR JLIN, be civil, and not have issues with the moderator(s).
- His views are pragmatic, for which he is constantly maligned as an LOH. As a Lin fan I'd like nothing more than to hunker down and tunnel-vision onto Linworshipfulness too, unfortunately the real world is indeed quite brutal and unfair, and Solidz speaks from this reality. He's one of the few here who would actually risk the ire of the majority to posit real-life workable ways for JLin to overcome his unfortunate situation, and not: 1- wallow in despair and anger. -- I went back and looked, after the playoffs, he was the angriest member on this site. He called people on here p*ssies, called Lin a p*ussy, and said that Lin's christian views were going to prevent him from reaching his potential (paraphrasing). He was not one of the few that took risks. To you he took risks bc you think that everyone agrees with Khuang or is afraid to question him. Uh, no. Some of us don't have the time or energy to argue with Khuang like we didn't have the time or energy to argue with solidz. Both of them said crazy s.hit. Khuang was wrong to call some of you LOH but why the hell do you care what he says, anyway? As far as I can tell, Khuang was the main person who called solidz an LOH on here. I didn't see other members constantly calling solidz an LOH.
2- cling to the hopes of a miraculous change on the part of Rox org [or divine intervention of some kind]. -- I'm not clinging or hoping for a miraculous change. I know other members on here aren't either.
3- signal and pander to groupthink bcos what they really care about is projecting some silly image on a fan forum. -- In my opinion, Solidz did not say anything that unique or different from anyone else, he was just more negative about it. There are LOTS of different personalities on this site. Some are hopeful and believe that Lin will overcome, some are cautious and want to see how Lin adapts this season, some are angry -- which is understandable, and some just, aren't as invested. I don't really see the groupspeak around here but again, maybe it's because I'm not making this a "Khuang owns everyone on this site and they're all afraid to speak up" thing.
4- sacrifice JLin's future and individuality to some grand racial/ spiritual/ social vision. -- I pretty much stayed out of the racial/spiritual stuff...as did others.
- Oh yeah, he forgets to be nice. -- it's not just about forgetting to be nice. Over the summer, this site was unbearable and he had a lot to do with it. He also trolled and disrespected the moderator. This is a big no, no. Why would any sane person do this? You don't.
Don't get it twisted either. I'm far, far from perfect and have said some crazy s.hit myself, but I know that trolling and disrespecting the moderator is not the way handle things. I understand why he was banned. You could make a case that a couple other people who made this place a living hell (over the summer) should be banned as well.
I'm not sure how you became so suspicious, Etane. I consider Solidz as a friend and wished him well hoping he can change to be nicer so we can have him back here.
If you interpreted 'wishing people to be nicer' as telling people to change, I don't know what else to tell you because you made up your mind.
If a lot of people agree with Etane that my answer sounded dismissive and disrespectful, I will publicly and personally apologize to him because that's not my intention.
ksmith: A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE. via: Good for them. Even if it's not the a unique position to be in, Solidz pro-activity clearly shows that he is a fan and not simply a troublemaker as other would like to portray him as. Having others do the same does not take away from that. For sure the people who are now rejoicing up there on this thread didn't even do these things.
ksmith: Some of us don't have time to comment every single day. via: Precisely. Some drops in and out of this forum, and do not have to care about what untruths are being perpetuated here daily, after all you can elegantly drop in, take what you want, and leave. And you are not the ones being maligned and made targets for expressing perhaps a divergent view after all.
ksmith: Some of us are tired of calling out the the org, coaches, morey, beat writers because at the end of the day, none of us can change those people or what they write/say. Some of us are rational and understand that really, the only person who can make the situation better is LIN. Yes, he's in a crappy situation with a coach/mngt team that doesn't fully support him but we can't change those people, only Lin can. That's why some of us aren't saying much, we want to see how Lin adapts this season. Constantly complaining about the same people over and over again, isn't going to make the situation better. via: Let's not rationalize passivity and leaning on what's convenient as "what's rational". No one can be certain if public pressure can or cannot affect the Rox, so let's not represent this as a fact. After all, they have instituted PR damage control with JLin before, when public outcry had been great. Just bcos WE have decided it's pointless does not mean it's IN FACT pointless. <- This would be the rational way to see things, adjusting for real-time changes and not being entrenched in a static position for want of certainty or closure.
ksmith: Complaining about these people is NOT a unique position. via: And yet the people who rejoice over his banning can't be bothered to even do this. Having other people do the same does not negate his own acts. It merely shows that they ALL care about JLin, that he, like them, is not a troll, or a mere troublemaker. Why dismiss his efforts as a fan like this tho? Others do it too so it has no value? This is true effort from a fan, and whether you approve of it as a connoisseur of rationality or efficacy or not, you cannot deny the sincerity of the act. He is a TRUE FAN.
ksmith: There are a lot of members on that site who are huge Lin supporters but they didn't get banned. Unlike Solidz, they're able to STAND UP FOR JLIN, be civil, and not have issues with the moderator(s). via: It's true he is a hothead. Does not take away from the fact that it was for JLin he was banned. People make it sound like his goal is to disrupt.
ksmith: 1- wallow in despair and anger. -- I went back and looked, after the playoffs, he was the angriest member on this site. He called people on here p*ssies, called Lin a p*ussy, and said that Lin's christian views were going to prevent him from reaching his potential (paraphrasing). via: Again at the heat of the moment, he is prone to express his frustration rather strongly. But he always MOVES ON. What were his posts that @ztrta, @Tiger, @Maknusia were referring to then that they said they liked? Surely you are not citing one [or a FEW] instance to represent the WHOLE of his posting career here, and pave over all the posts where he made [very] valid points?
ksmith: He was not one of the few that took risks. To you he took risks bc you think that everyone agrees with Khuang or is afraid to question him. Uh, no. via: UH, NO. I don't think everyone agrees with KHuang or is afraid to question him. I WANT to think that, but actually I'm not that optimistic. I think some people just don't give a crap that there are posters who gets maligned, dissenters who are silenced, as long as they get what they want/ need out of this place. And by this type of bystander behavior, they are as good as complicit in the maligning and bullying of these dissenters. All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. As for nitpicking about who called Solids an LOH, would it be better if I use the word "troublemaker" then?
ksmith: I'm not clinging or hoping for a miraculous change. I know other members on here aren't either. via: You surely would not deny that a predominantly Christian-populated site would have this way of thinking. You, ONE PERSON, would hardly be representative. I never said ALL are clinging to this way of thinking. [Btw, I have nothing against "clinging" of this type as a coping mechanism, tho people choosing this strategy would be prone to find Solidz' attachment to the workings of Real Life distasteful.]
I also find it rather strange to have Solidz [who wasn't jaded enough to give up on actively pursuing the Rox to account for their acts] be characterized as "negative." Frustration is a sign of thwarted expectation and here you can see how high he is on JLin.
ksmith: In my opinion, Solidz did not say anything that unique or different from anyone else, he was just more negative about it. There are LOTS of different personalities on this site. Some are hopeful and believe that Lin will overcome, some are cautious and want to see how Lin adapts this season, some are angry -- which is understandable, and some just, aren't as invested. I don't really see the groupspeak around here but again, maybe it's because I'm not making this a "Khuang owns everyone on this site and they're all afraid to speak up" thing. via: Neither am I making this a KHuang owns everyone/ afraid to speak up. But when people, whether bcos they are owned by KHuang, afraid of KHuang, or for world peace, DOES NOT SPEAK UP WHEN OTHERS ARE BEING MALIGNED, PRESSURED TO DISASSOCIATE WITH CERTAIN POSTERS, PRESSURED TO NOT EXPRESS A DIVERGENT VIEW, that's as good as supporting the act of maligning, pressuring and bullying itself. This is our community, WE SHOULD CARE.
ksmith: I pretty much stayed out of the racial/spiritual stuff...as did others. via: Some did, some did not. Like you keep repeating, you are too busy to be here, but not the vociferous ones who are here and labeling people racists etc. Not the people who have to endure their bullying.
ksmith: it's not just about forgetting to be nice. Over the summer, this site was unbearable and he had a lot to do with it. He also trolled and disrespected the moderator. This is a big no, no. Why would any sane person do this? You don't. via: To borrow from zrtra, it takes two to tango. The arguments were prolonged bcos both sides kept the back-and-forth going. And yet KHuang gets a pass even when his acts were far more egregious. This is not about Khuang, but just to point out how differently they are judged here on this site. True, Solidz' hotheadedness got the best of him. Like you said, why would any same person do this? It's a temperament, with no premeditated malice on his part. I just wanted to point out HOW BIG OF A LIN FAN HE IS. There are near-trolls like @Hunch who don't get banned bcos he knows how to pull back just at the right time to avoid banning. But Solidz is such a sincere fan that his frustration do sometimes runs away from him. Be that as it may, people who are rejoicing that he got banned...Really? HE'S A FELLOW LIN FAN, NOT A TROLL, NOT AN LOH, NOT A RACIST-WHATEVER-KHUANG-LABELS-HIM-WITH.
I really dont care if solidz is an avid fan or not. I care more about how he talks to people. Utterly disrespect. One final case in point that finally doomed him was his attack on a new lady poster. Damn, you got to be more mature than that. In real life if you behaved like that, no one will give you a pass. Being online gives him the keys to do such things without much repercussions except for his duel with khuang. He attacked people across the board many times for benign reasons. The guy has got a problem. Can you smell a trail of enemies his built just by his language? For sure. Again i dont care about his fandom. I care about his utter lack of respect fir others through his language. No excuses for that.
There are three sides to this debate, only 2 of which I will address.
1) There are Lin fans who are monitoring Lin's media presence and are seeking any way to bolster his image. These fans hope that media positivity of Lin will bolster his on court play and media negativity will hinder his on court performances.
2) There are Lin fans (like myself) who feel that the media is anti Lin and the only way to change that is for Lin to play GREAT the way Lin is capable of. We feel that no amount of media posturing will impact Lin on the NBA court one iota, that the only way Lin has survived all the negativity is by DOMINATING on a basketball court.
3) The 3rd category is made up of people that are here to flame and taunt others on this forum, regardless of their feelings about Lin. JLinfan#1 has made it clear that he will tolerate no more garbage from this group.
Don't worry about it psalm, you're a good guy. I appreciate that you were trying to bring peace to this place. How you stay calm while continually insulted borders on absurdity. If I met you I'd buy you a beer.
Etane we're cool but I'm one of your wacky ones. I love atheists. You can certainly be a Jeremy fan without sharing his faith. You just can't separate Jeremy the basketball player from his faith. On the flip side of the coin I see a lot of "I wish Jeremy wasn't so religious," "Being a Christian is holding him back," "Jeremy needs to stop being a Christian and grow some balls!" comments. Not from you, but there have been plenty.
How many of us here have gone out to actually call out Rox org [Morey, Jfried, Feigen] for mistreating JLin, like Solidz' did? ---- You asked how many people here have gone out to actually call out Rox org and I answered your question -- a lot of people, including myself.
Some drops in and out of this forum, and do not have to care about what untruths are being perpetuated here daily, after all you can elegantly drop in, take what you want, and leave. And you are not the ones being maligned and made targets for expressing perhaps a divergent view after all. ---- I would like to know, who was being maligned and made a target for expressing (perhaps) divergent views? The moderator gave general warnings and deleted offensive comments. If you think that solidz was being maligned and made a target, then we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Khuang, solidz and etane dominated this site for the entire summer, if anything, they were the ones who targeted people on here, not the other way around.
After all, they have instituted PR damage control with JLin before, when public outcry had been great. ---- When specifically did this happen and how do you know for a fact, the Rockets instituted PR damage control?
Again at the heat of the moment, he is prone to express his frustration rather strongly. But he always MOVES ON. ---- If he truly moved on, then why did he keep mentioning other members’ names (including mine) from previous disagreements /arguments? That doesn’t sound like someone who “always moves on”.
Surely you are not citing one [or a FEW] instance to represent the WHOLE of his posting career here, and pave over all the posts where he made [very] valid points? ---- It’s interesting that you don’t think I should be doing this (I wasn’t. I gave examples to show that he did wallow in despair and anger too) but the person you’re defending has done this to other members.
You, ONE PERSON, would hardly be representative. I never said ALL are clinging to this way of thinking. ---- Like I said, I’m not clinging or hoping for a miraculous change and I know other members on here aren’t either.
via: But when people, whether bcos they are owned by KHuang, afraid of KHuang, or for world peace, DOES NOT SPEAK UP WHEN OTHERS ARE BEING MALIGNED, PRESSURED TO DISASSOCIATE WITH CERTAIN POSTERS, PRESSURED TO NOT EXPRESS A DIVERGENT VIEW, that's as good as supporting the act of maligning, pressuring and bullying itself. This is our community, WE SHOULD CARE. K.Smith: The same could be said of solidz. But when people, whether they are owned by solidz, afraid of solidz, or for world peace, don’t speak up when others are being maligned/pressured to not express a divergent view, that’s as good as supporting the act of maligning/pressuring/bullying itself. I understand why solidz went back and forth with Khuang (and vice versa) but he attacked other people too. He attacked other people who didn’t even have issues with him, who didn’t bully/attack him. Why weren’t more people sticking up for those members who were being attacked by solidz?
He is not the victim.
And yet KHuang gets a pass even when his acts were far more egregious. This is not about Khuang, but just to point out how differently they are judged here on this site. ---- Like i said, you could make a case that a couple other people who made this place a living hell (over the summer) should be banned as well.
I just wanted to point out HOW BIG OF A LIN FAN HE IS. ---- I never said he wasn’t.
@Brent~ You have always been very rational in your views, calm and never letting emotions, vanity nor personal dislike cloud your judgment. I hope posters here would see this and if there's any residual animosity towards me, understand to not lump you with this here. Thanks for seeing what I was trying to say, btw. ^^
@mt~ No one's arguing Solidz to be polite. He can be rude, and people have been rude back to him. Pls don't bring in the "lady" poster as some grand indication of his character: look at the symmetry in their retorts and you can see he grabbed the first thing that came to his mind, it was not as if he meant to say that. Not excusing him, but let's not characterize him by that one case [which he even acknowledge immediately afterwards to be rather excessive and accidental.] He "attacked" people on the board? or was he just obnoxious in pointing out what he thinks to be absurdities in their posts? HE'S OBNOXIOUS, and unfortunately, the posters here were unable to Out-obnoxious him, altho THEY ARE FREE TO DO SO. Can he refute an unrefutable position? Can he insist the right to be wrong if posters came supported by facts? I think it was @Blake who was talking about how Linfans are under seige...WEll, here is a true blue Lin fan.
mt: I really dont care if solidz is an avid fan or not. I care more about how he talks to people. via: We should care about his fandom, and not only about his superficial behavior. We should care about substance over style. @mt I understand what your saying, but can you also see how sad it is when a superfan like him is banned while known trolls continue to freely post here? This is how a purported Lin fansite is operating.
@KSMITH~ How many of us here have gone out to actually call out Rox org [Morey, Jfried, Feigen] for mistreating JLin, like Solidz' did? ---- You asked how many people here have gone out to actually call out Rox org and I answered your question -- a lot of people, including myself. VIA: Yes, bcos my obvious purpose for asking this rhetorical question is to literally know how many. No, I did not mean to demonstrate that he put in more effort in defending JLin than his detractors above did, what I really meant was, tell me how many! Again, just bcos other did so too does not take away from the true sentiment from which he made the effort. Why dismiss his sincere efforts as "meh, others did too, so what?" Now you wish to split hairs on "You asked how many?"
KSMITH: I would like to know, who was being maligned and made a target for expressing (perhaps) divergent views? The moderator gave general warnings and deleted offensive comments. If you think that solidz was being maligned and made a target, then we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Khuang, solidz and etane dominated this site for the entire summer, if anything, they were the ones who targeted people on here, not the other way around. VIA: Solidz and Etane being called RACIST bcos they point out certain absurdities in KHuang's post, I'd call maligning. YOU CALLING ETANE A RACIST TROLL ON CRACK I'd consider maligning. [You recognize these words, pls do not ask me for a link now.] Me being called a racewar instigator with a dark agenda etc etc I'd call maligning. [ask Blake, he implied all kinds of things about me, w/c he proceeded to avoid to address.] And please don't lump Solidz, Etane, and KHuang together, the mod don't, neither do a majority of the posters here, AND YOU KNOW IT. They are not judged by the same standard, nor enjoy the same privileges. You know that Solidz calling people out for their post as ignorant/ or naive is DIFFERENT FROM CALLING SOMEONE A RACIST, right? The first ones are personal assessments, the latter IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE UNLESS THE ACCUSED ACTUALLY COMMITTED A RACIST ACT. I'd think for an asian-american, you'd be careful with this particular word and don't understand how you can commit the same offense on Etane yourself like it's nothing. [This happens in a JLin fansite!]
How sad, I'm at this point thinking how KHuang will now point out how I'm "attacking" ksmith, bcos I recalled this fact. The discourse here had come to this...
KSMITH: After all, they have instituted PR damage control with JLin before, when public outcry had been great. ---- When specifically did this happen and how do you know for a fact, the Rockets instituted PR damage control? VIA: No, I did not know for a FACT that they did, just like you do not know for a FACT that they haven't or will not in the future. I dare the posters here to forget those posts where people were wondering/ speculating on why McHale and Co. were suddenly taking a gentler approach with JLin questions in postgame interviews. There were posts discussing Rox in JLin damage control in the archives. Since this is my last post, I'm not really that motivated to wade through all the posts to retrieve them. However, I'm quite sure posters here can remember them. But even if there had not been any, your own inividually-drawn conclusions that proactively holding the Rox responsible by calling them out is futile does not negate nor devalue any fan's act towards this endeavor, as a sign of their sincere support for JLin.
KSMITH: Again at the heat of the moment, he is prone to express his frustration rather strongly. But he always MOVES ON. ---- If he truly moved on, then why did he keep mentioning other members’ names (including mine) from previous disagreements /arguments? That doesn’t sound like someone who “always moves on”. via: Here you do a switch and bait: We're talking about him moving on from being frustrated with JLin's play outcomes during the playoff, AND he did move on, in fact talking about what JLin's NEXT step should be. So you now shift it to him not being able to move on from posters, is this like how posters does not move on from him when he's not around to defend himself, lol? [This happens not only this once. People talk about other posters, other posters do, so did he. That's has nothing to do with him moving or not moving on with his frustrations with the playoffs.]
KSMITH: You, ONE PERSON, would hardly be representative. I never said ALL are clinging to this way of thinking. ---- Like I said, I’m not clinging or hoping for a miraculous change and I know other members on here aren’t either. VIA: You understand that I never said you are, nor the others you're refering to, right? You're not the majority, you know ths is a preominantly Christian-populated site. It's sheer disingenuousness to further argue this point.
But when people, whether bcos they are owned by KHuang, afraid of KHuang, or for world peace, DOES NOT SPEAK UP WHEN OTHERS ARE BEING MALIGNED, PRESSURED TO DISASSOCIATE WITH CERTAIN POSTERS, PRESSURED TO NOT EXPRESS A DIVERGENT VIEW, that's as good as supporting the act of maligning, pressuring and bullying itself. This is our community, WE SHOULD CARE. KSMITH: The same could be said of solidz. But when people, whether they are owned by solidz, afraid of solidz, or for world peace, don’t speak up when others are being maligned/pressured to not express a divergent view, that’s as good as supporting the act of maligning/pressuring/bullying itself. I understand why solidz went back and forth with Khuang (and vice versa) but he attacked other people too. He attacked other people who didn’t even have issues with him, who didn’t bully/attack him. Why weren’t more people sticking up for those members who were being attacked by solidz? VIA: Lol, really? Did Solidz made false statements to damage another's reputation? From what I can tell, only KHuang do that REGULARLY [Not to refute a particular post, but to defame people.] Calling people's post stupid is obnoxious, a PERSONAL JUDGEMENT, based on relative values. Calling people RACIST is an OUTRIGHT LIE UNLESS THE ACCUSED ACTUALLY COMMITTED A RACIST ACT. Again, since you yourself would call Etane a "Racist Troll on Crack" without evidence, perhaps our views of the gravity of these offenses are diff, idk. Maybe for some people, maligning people with racist epithets is meh, but people rudely refuting other's posts as stupid is WHOA SO DISRESPECTFUL! [I'd say lying about someone being a racist, with all the history of that word attached to it, is BEYOND disrespectful even, but that's just me.]
KSMITH: The same could be said of solidz. But when people, whether they are owned by solidz, afraid of solidz, or for world peace, don’t speak up when others are being maligned/pressured to not express a divergent view, that’s as good as supporting the act of maligning/pressuring/bullying itself. VIA: I've been told by KHuang that if I associate with Etane and Solidz, I'm a racist. From my knowlege, Solidz never pressure anyone give up freedom of association, he never pressured people to not express a divergent view by labeling them racist and calling the MOTIVES for their actions in question. He just thinks some posts are stupid, and posters are free to call his judgement of their post just as stupid. Jlinfanisasuperhero 's having a field day a few day before calling SOlidz all kinds of things, 0ccupati0, etc...who's stopping them, who's pressuring them to stop? Are you saying posters cannot refute posts they don't agree with, bcos this will now be called an "attack" <- what if in their personal cognitive estimation, the post were indeed absurd, illogical and stupid? <- So rude! An attack! [Call them racist instead, after all it's acceptable, proof is the lack of uproar here.] *sarcasm* <- in case people want to use EVEN this, sigh...
KSMITH: I understand why solidz went back and forth with Khuang (and vice versa) but he attacked other people too. He attacked other people who didn’t even have issues with him, who didn’t bully/attack him. Why weren’t more people sticking up for those members who were being attacked by solidz? via: Perhaps if we don't think that people SHOULD be attacking each other's person [w/c is a legacy we have from KHuang] but that we are addressing the poster's post and perhaps the quality of thinking that spawned that particular post, we'd stop thinking he's "attacking" people who he "shouldn't" be attacking. He's making obnoxious comments on people's post, and people have been obnoxious back to him. Why didn't others stick up for the criticized post? Posters [like psalm] do that all the time.
KSMITH: He is not the victim. VIA: No he's too proud and too assertive to be a victim. Sadly it seems we must wait for there to be a victim first before we point out a prevaling double-standard. How about me being personally attacked when I did nothing but make accurate observations supported by evidence?
KSMITH: And yet KHuang gets a pass even when his acts were far more egregious. This is not about Khuang, but just to point out how differently they are judged here on this site. ---- Like i said, you could make a case that a couple other people who made this place a living hell (over the summer) should be banned as well. VIA: Yes, it's easy to wash your hands off of KHuang. You understand the three of them are not on the same playing field, right. KHuang will never be banned, lol. He knows to pander to the forum. Posters who are too busy cannot be bothered to maybe tap him on the shoulders to let him know it's not ok to defame people. They say KHuang's slanders were just him being "carried away" but EVEN SO, since he's a "uniter" etc, hey whatever, right? [Washing hands of responsibility in supporting KHuang by rationalizing one's silence in the face of unacceptable acts being done on fellow posters, like ME.]
KSMITH: I just wanted to point out HOW BIG OF A LIN FAN HE IS. ---- I never said he wasn’t. VIA: And I never said you refuted this particular claim, did I?
The disingenuousness in here...The acts and passive abstentions-from-acting [thereby further supporting the status quo] that posters make to serve their emotional/ social self-interest, the dubious trade-offs involved, but worst, the adamant refusal to see the ethical implications of one's choices.
Anyway, good luck to all. Ok, people are now just as free to trash me after I'm gone and cannot defend myself. :)
Just to be clear, you do know I said up there is MY LAST POST, right? [Lol, obviously it's THIS post now.]
I DON'T NEED YOUR PERMISSION, I will post or not post as I wish. And I've decided before you issued your imperial orders to not continue posting. So...rejoice! :)
You better not quit on us Via, we need healthy and sustainable dosage of Lin's stuff/news. Even though the site have been overtaken by loudmouth, passive, fake/false-peace loving, self-decider Lin fans since now both etane and solidz gone---always know a few us here are your friends and we will always support you even though nobody else can defend yourself as good as you, you know, I mean to say positive things(obviously not good at it lol) lets just leave it at that.
@via wong Thanks for caring so much about this forum. Thanks for the links and info. Thanks for being a fan. Without you, this comments section and indeed this site becomes much less interesting. You will be missed. Good bye~! *waves*
@Rikki, @wilc~ sorry, forgot to properly say goodbye to you guys. You gents on this site, so classy...you're great 大哥s I respect and admire. :)
Anyhow, I can't not be a Lin fan, and not put up links...at a diff place, maybe? We'll see each other again hopefully. [Thanks for the kind words. YOU guys are great.] :)
Via i dont think ive ever chance to argue with you before cuz i think you are a good person. In solidz, i think your making every excuse possible for him. Are you really serious about your comments "he can be rude, people unable to outobnoxious him, and characterizing him for one incidence"? Listen to what your really say. Why the heck does anybody have to outobnoxious him? I think the byproduct of your contempt for khuang is being blindsided by the absurdities that other posters have to deal with solidz. I was one of them. I challenged him kindly, but that did not work. Solidz was all style and btw he got his substance from attacking other peoples substance. I think its healthy for all involved to distance ourselves from him, you included. Too much us against khuang stuff too. Just ignore the posts and your day will be mire enjoyable. Fandom or not whats real is how you treat other people by your manner of speak. Alright thats enough of that topic.
I have no bad bone against Solidz, Etane, or via except the trolls like Atomic & Quasimodo.
My take on KHuang-Solidz-Etane banters, it was sorta funny in the beginning.. until it became a posting habit that got sickening. It's like a joke that was told countless times, it's not funny anymore and became beyond irritating.
via, are you leaving? please don't leave :( You meant so much for all of us here. Remember chan c, wilc, isabelijane, MXMoua, Rose and many others.
Or at least give it one week so you won't make rash decision. Would you consider it?
is etane banned, too? perhaps I shouldn't have said anything. Even if they don't believe me, I consider them my friends although etane is upset with me at the moment. I talked to them for a long time and as a good friend, I thought I should not only talk about good things but be brave enough to talk about the not-so-good things. Clearly, it didn't work out well :{
To show solidarity, I will not post for at least a week. I wish they could be back someday even if they don't trust me now. :(
Dave T, thanks for your encouragement. It meant a lot to me.
Hey Brent, if my memory serves me right, around this time last year, videos of the training camp start to show up. Wish we can get different sources than CF this time
Lakers' house is in shambles. Jeanie and jim buss going at each other publicly. jlin should come and rescue the team. Besides lebron or wade, i dont see another player who can make a bigger impact for the team in 2014.
That franchise is going down the tubes. That was already apparent when Jim Buss hired D'Antoni to snub his sister Jeannie, who is Phil Jackson's fiance. That was more family politics than basketball reasons.
The Chinese saying that wealth is not passed on past three generations comes to mind. But in this case, basketball decision-making will not even make it past one generation.
Or, if it wasn't a snub to his sister, it was an attempt to step out of his father's shadow, which was partly associated with Phil Jackson. Still, that's family politics.
As long as Kobe Bryant is around, Lin cannot rescue the Lakers.
Fans of Lin incensed with Carmelo Anthony and James Harden would be pining for the halcyon Knick and Rockets days once they started seeing Kobe screaming at Lin every day.
( Sigh ) I miss a lot of news again. It's nice to see Mike D'antoni at LINSANITY premiere. JASON FRIEDMAN interview with Jeremy was interesting. I like it. It's nice to know Jason haven't yet changed his picture profile on his twitter. It's still James & Jeremy's back.
@KHuang You know that there are some good writers were added to Bleacher Report recently, Kevin Ding from Lakers, Jared Zwerling and Howard Beck from New York are new additions. So in the future, one might need to check the writers first. I do like all three of them, so was happy that BR are trying to change their reputation.
This summer's awful Bleacherreporting really soured me on the site.
After 2 years of virulent anti Lin propaganda that painted a totally erroneous picture of him, I can't help but be reflexively dismissive of that site.
But since you have alerted me, I will start reading again.
That's as hater an article as I've ever read on bleacherreport, just like my instincts told me it would be.
Until bleacherreport stops trashing Lin and starts looking at him more realistically, I'm still not going to look at that site.
I'll wait for you guys to show me genuine unbiased articles that look at both the goods and bads of Lins in a proper light. Until then, no bleacherreport for me.
Are you kidding? He was an absolute terror and completely disrespectful. He turned this site from PG to NC-17. I bet you'll get alot more participation from many other people now that he is gone. Ding dong the witch is dead!
Amen. I stopped coming to this site after certain infantile posters totally took over with their vicious drivels. So glad Jlinfan#1 finally put his foot down.
"I bet you'll get alot more participation from many other people now that he is gone." - I don't see how Solidz could have stopped them from participation, unless they are afraid to be called out for posting opinions they cannot defend? Surely someone will not abandon their stance simply bcos others are not being nice. Conversely, I can see posters with opinions deviating from the official and approved view here who will now refrain from expressing themselves, for fear of being labeled LOH, or a troublemaker for going against the grain.
Solidz can be as annoying as a thick piece of sh*t but lets not forget that he is a hardcore, true-blue, huge fan of Lin's. We are here to show our support and love for Lin and Solidz did contribute a lot more than some of us ( including me )here. Indeed he's foolish to challenge the MOD and he had been very rude to a lot of us here but we can't discount all that he had and would bring this forum. Lets hope a nicer, well mannered Solidz returns to this board.
Solidz is probably 20-30 years old. He is a HUGE Lin fan. He expresses himself poorly online sometimes. But he really is one the biggest Lin fans on the planet. This kid took videos of Lin being yelled at by Mchale and posted it online championing Lin's cause. Oh well...
The way NBA training camp works is that ALL starting positions are "up for grabs".
While it's a high likelihood that starters remain starters, the reality is that players get shuffled in and out of the lineup based on how coaches perceive their impact on the team.
I think it would be a shame if Lin were benched. I also don't think Lin would just sit there and take it.
Lin bashed his way into NBA rotations by leaving a graveyard of allegedly superior players behind him. If anything, Lin's BETTER at that this season and also faces significantly less competition this year (faced Toney Douglas and Shawn Livingston last year).
Touting and mocking the owner of the site wasn’t a smart thing for him to do. However, I would love to see him back too if no more character attack on others or using foul (tough, according to him) language.
Unfortunately the character attacks and foul language is part of who solidz is. What comes out of a man's mouth (or keyboard in this instance) is a reflection of what is in a man's heart. Asking solidz not to attack others is like asking a fish to stop swimming. Banning him is the best thing that could have happened to this site.
Although I often enjoyed Solidz's posts, there is a thin line between his wittiness and being totally disrespectful in his language and often times personal attacks. In a family forum like this who are fans of Jeremy, those attacks shouldn't be tolerated since some of the posters could be children
Having said that, I did respect his basketball knowledge and like Tiger, wouldn't mind to see him back if there were no personal attacks and foul language. If that is something he just can't do then it's probably best he doesn't come back.
Just read McHale's new interview and wow, he's just really not a fan of Jeremy. Not only does Jeremy have to battle the opposing PG, but his own coach, as well.
A lot of times is about what ones don't say to know what's in the mind.
In the Lin question, McHale said Lin had a good year as a starting rookie PG or great year if he didn't have a magical Linsanity. He'll fit in well and get pushed for time for other PGs. Fair enough but certainly doesn't reflect someone who believes Lin has potential to grow with his 38pts Spurs and 29pts OKC outburst.
But the second question about the playoff is more telling because he didn't mention Lin at all (even DMo and TJ got thrown in there): Our goal is to try to get home court (advantage) in the playoffs, make a playoff run. The nice thing about it is you have Chandler (Parsons) back and James (Harden) back, O back, Patrick.We have a lot of guys. TJ, D-Mo have been around. I think the familiarity of them being with us is going to help us. We have a lot of new pieces, too, so we'll see.
It's nothing new about McHale. He still needs to be impressed that Lin can excel in his role next to Harden. A few ESPN-highlights of Lin alley-oops with Dwight might show him what Lin has that Bev doesn't have.
It's interesting to contrast the overall tone in Jason Friedman's articles with McHale's answers.
One has been consistently bringing up Lin's impressive feat for hitting threes above 0.400 for 3 months in multiple articles, enough to suspect one is a closet LOF.
The other one has been consistently downplaying Linsanity as a magical fluke, he's a fine PG without highlighting any positives for Lin as a crucial piece in the team. Just one of the guys whose time will get pushed by other players.
Guess which one is the Lin believer and the Lin unbeliever?
I didn't think McHale was overly critical of Lin in the article.
What did disappoint me was that McHale is going to run the same offense as last year. On the other hand, that means that Lin doesn't have to learn yet another new system.
No matter what McHale says, Lin will be needed by the Rockets more this season. This veteran team will be relying on Lin to make sure that everybody on the team gets their chances.
That also means that the double teams on Lin won't stop. Choking Lin off chokes off the rest of the team, as Harden won't give up the ball even with Howard on the floor.
McHale ommits JLin, Dhoward, and Asik as Houston's playoff weapons. This is telling when you read between the lines of what he says during the interview.
DHoward wasn't mentioned b/c:
A. We've got to fit in the new guys. We got Dwight. We have to fit him in. We have a different team than we had last year. We're trying to get roles... I'm excited about the changes we made. I think we have a good opportunity to get better. That's what it's all about. I'm looking forward to working with Dwight, but there's a lot of unknowns right now.
Asik wasn't either b/c: I have not [had a chance to see how Omer feels about the addition of Dwight] and am not [concerned about how he reacts to all this]. He's a player. His job is to come in and play. I haven't had an opportunity to talk with him about all that, but Daryl (Morey's) job is to try to improve the team. Omer's job is not to wonder how that affects him. His job is to figure out how they can play together and be effective.
and about JLin: He fits well. He can play....If Jeremy hadn't had that month in New York and everybody had just seen Jeremy for truly what he is...He's going to get pushed for time with AB (Aaron Brooks) and Pat and Isaiah Canaan. I was with him a couple weeks ago. We worked out together and spent some time. He's in great shape. He's ready to go.
He just did not change his position on Lin, that's all. He is a doubter, he will change only if Lin do better (in McHale's standard of course). This article is really not that bad.
Wow. His answers are pretty disappointing to me. Jeremy went from being brought to Houston to be the face of the franchise to needing to fight for his minutes against other rookie PGs. Jeremy is a player who's play depends a lot on how confident he is feeling. He admits this himself. How can he play effectively when he constantly has to worry about making mistakes and having his minutes taken away. For those that remember last year, often times in the first quarter at the 5 minute mark he would be subbed out when he made the smallest mistake. This is not the way to develop your starting point guard. On one hand I am pretty excited that Jeremy gets to be on a team that has the chance of making it to the championships. On the other hand, it is disappointing to me that the coach really doesn't appreciate what they have in Jeremy. These are the prime years for Jeremy and it is disappointing that he is on a team where the coach is constantly pulling him back and asking him to do less instead of helping him reach his fullest potential.
You all like to harp on Lin being a young developing guard. So when he's treated like a young rookie starting PG in the league by Mchale you all start trippin.
Atomic, It's not about Lin 'doing nada' during playoffs. I can accept the coach not mentioning Lin because he's done that all last season. Maybe even DHoward since he's not sure how he plays for Rockets yet. But Asik too? C'mon. That's just strange for a coach to avoid mentioning 3 of the better players on the team.
Obviously the Mchale's actions, game planning, etc. are going to speak louder than this interview.
Seriously what are you talking about. I see nothing about O and Howard you're talking about in the Mchale interview. If dragging O and Howard into mix makes you feel better about Lin's situation then so be it.
I'm ok if you disagree with my opinions but you avoided my question. My opinion is Lin, Omer, and Howard are not in Mchales' good graces at the moment. Has nothing to do with what makes me feel better. My interpretation might be subjective. The facts are not. Quotes are verbatim from the article: howard is q & a #1. Omer: #6 - 7.
Caleb, Asik was actually in the comment of players being back ("O back"). Howard is a new player so not quite relevant in the list of players McHale listed as being back.
Lin might not be there because he just gave a long answer about Lin.
But what's consistent is people (including McHale) who fails to see what made Lin great in NY as the playmaker will focus that Lin just needs to play his reduced role in Houston next to Harden.
Which is a crazy approach because Houston can get more out of Lin and Harden by maximizing their strength (Lin's playmaking and Harden's scoring)
It's not a difficult concept but people who can't see Lin's strength as a player just looks for confirmation bias that Lin is just an average player who found magic sprinkles in NY.
If Houston is not careful to optimize Lin's strength, he will blossom into an All-Star somewhere else. He's been working on his weaknesses (TO, defense, ballhandling, shooting) and I guess we'll see how he plays soon.
Psalm234 great observation! I've been following Jeremy and reading this site for a year now and I think I've read most of every articles, posts, and tweets on Jlin and what you say about Jason is true. The guy plays both sides but my hunch tells me he leans more on the nonbeliever which is fine with me but it pisses and drives me nuts because when he interviews Jlin and writes his article it comes off like a believer. Thus I stop following him on twitter lol.
Fair enough psalm. You're right about O and I see where you're coming from about Howard. I also think you were right earlier, when you said what people don't say can be as telling as what they do. I think at this point we just want to see how Lin performs on court and handles things that come his way this year. Here's to hoping for a good year.
great mind thinks alike, @just a girl :] I think JCF, Parsons and Lin get along quite well because their sense of humor is kind of the same and their personality clicks. Not saying their best buddies but they can be OK friends in real life.
true, @Caleb. All critics and fans agree that Lin needs to come out strong and confident in the first 10-20 games. Let's hope he can persuade the rest of the Big 4 to sacrifice individual feats for the team and play team ball.
Oh, and apparently, the banned "not-nice troublemaker/ troll" continues to care about JLin, enough to pro-actively go for pertinent info the way a pragmatist would, and not just...angst or play to crowd like some.
I blame Lin's professional team for not looking out for Lin's best when he was a Free Agent. Lin is just a young guy listening to his advisers, agents, and lawyers. I have a feeling his legal team/agents screwed up and misread the situation. It's clear their intent was to resign in NYC, not end up in horrible Houston.
Somebody on Lin's team royally screwed up communications to the point it ended up like this, that Lin is stuck in a bad spot playing for a team where apparently only the owner wanted him and nobody else.
If Lin's team knew all this, they are a bunch of idiots for putting Lin in this horrible position unless Lin's stated objective was to get max money - in that case I guess they did their job to a T.
Every sports agent is trying to get the maximum contract for their client. Because they get a % slice of that pie. They were probably thinking NY would match, or that Lin will be a big star in China because of the Rockets brand name. His agent isn't going to earn much if Lin gets a minimum contract, non guaranteed with the Knicks.
The dynamic of an owner getting a player who his team doesn't want happens ALL THE TIME in pro basketball.
Lin first experienced it in Golden State where Joe Lacob correctly recognized Lin as a legitimate NBA talent but was overruled by his front office and coaches. As it turns out, Lacob was right and his employees were totally wrong (you too, Jerry West!!!)
Owners in pro basketball have the final say on building rosters, but they generally step back when it comes to letting their coaches and general managers run the daily operations.
I still think that Les Alexander wants Lin as a Rocket. Les Alexander has a history of jettisoning anybody who doesn't adhere to his wishes, including people like Rick Adelman or Kevin Martin or Kyle Lowry.
As long as Les Alexander approves of Lin, a Rocket he shall stay. That doesn't make Lin's life any easier, though.
Lin's answer on respect and trust in a team as a result of bonding opportunity with Howard shows his mindset on the importance of building strong trust and respect with all players but especially the Big 4.
I'll be curious how much respect and trust Harden will have with Howard, Lin and Parsons. He can't be lackadaisical in defense (as Sampson called out), trust his teammates to not stop ball movement, perhaps sacrifice his scoring and assists a bit. Harden is the Big X Factor now.
What will Harden do?
JCF: Well jokes aside, I assume the biggest thing that came out of that week was just the bonding opportunity you guys had.
JL: Absolutely. I think the initial step is just respect. Watching the way he works and him watching the way I work, and being able to put that together is huge. And for us to take time out of our schedules to do something like that, it just builds friendship, it builds respect for each other, and then I think the byproduct of that is trust, and when you talk about being a good team I think it’s all about trust. I think the teams that trust their coaches, that trust their players, that trust that their help-side will be there, I think those are the best defensive teams and those are the best teams in general. So hopefully we took a big step toward that.
I won't be surprised if that's the case. That's why Lin needed to assure his coaches that he wants teams that trust their coaches in the same statement :]
I think things are going to be different now that the offense will be focused around Howard. Howard/Lin seem to have the same mindset on things and they seem to have some things in common. I also think that Lin is Howard's insurance policy just in case Harden wants to act up. Lin is the only other playmaker on the team. I think Harden will try to be a team player in the beginning, but when his stats starts to sufffer, then all bets are off. I actually think that Lin is sitting pretty good right now. I think he will do well in the upcoming season, and I think that if he is tradeded it will be to the Lakers. I don't think it's coincidence that Lin worked out at the Lakers facility recently. I think Nash/Dantoni are trying to recruit Lin. Dantoni/Nash knows exactly what Lin brings to the table, even if McFool is too stubborn to see. Also we will see how Beverly holds out this year once the teams start scouting him. That injury that he may have or not have caused to Westbrook, is like a big traget on his back. Some of the Houston Fans who want Beverly to start triuly have not watched the games. They seem to just jump on the bandwagon to crticiize Lin. Also it is a true testament to how good Lin really is, when Akeem commented that the little he saw between Lin/Howard will be deadly, and Akeem doesn't hand out compliments if he doesn't mean them. He is very straightfoward, and pull no punches in what he thinks of players. Call me delusional, but i think having Howard on the team will be an asset to lin both on and off the court.
I want to point out that Hakeem's comments meant nothing to me because those are just media works. We do not know the reason why he said it. However, you are right about that things are gonna be different now.
Also, I wanna say with all this basing on Lin about last season. He actually had a good season IMO. Of course it could be better if situations were different. I do not think Rox will change their way of handling Lin, but I believe Lin is better-prepared for those shXt this time.
Everyone is talking about this is a make or break season for Lin, while it is generally true, it is more so to DH12. This season is about who is the man for Rox, Harden or DH12. Lin and Parsons will be never in that kind of talk, and it is ok for now IMO.
Once Lin completes his game overall, I don see too many current PGs can outshine him in the future.
We can diagree on what Akeem said. I said that based on what he said about Howard when he first started working with him. Akeem said something to the effect of Howard has been in the league for 10 years, and he really didn't have any low post moves, and I also I base on things that he said about Melo, Tyson Chandler and Stoudamiere games. They were not all glowing reports. Also the people that I know that are from Akeems culture are very blunt and straightforward. You can argue he might be playing to the press, he might be, as for me, i don't think so. Who knows perhaps the reason he said it, is because he meant it. You see i subcribe to the half full glass theory, not the the half empty. Also, i believe that interview that Mchale gave was him just trying to show whose boss, but in actuality it is the star players are the boss. If Howard doesn't like what McHale is doing this season, then guess whose leaving, not Howard.So I agree this is a ride or die season for Howard, so he is going to use whatever weaposn he has to his advantage to win, and if lin is the answer, then that is how McHale is going to play it. So that interview he gave today, i take it with a grain of salt.
That's fair, like I said, I do not know the reason either, it could be just like what you said. While I was talking about Rox players, their pressure to perform. McHale is under big pressure too. He can hide behind Lin's so-called bad performance last yr. Not the case this yr for him. No matter how great he was as a player, anything less than 50 wins this season will be considered as a failure to him, DH12, Harden and Lin (of course).
Lin, in my eyes, has done a masterful job of PREPPING HIS TEAMMATES in the media.
If Lin were "devious" the way some people have described me (a description of myself that I don't disagree with), I'd be saying that he's learning how to effectively manipulate and put pressure on his teammates.
But the truth likely is that Lin is just such a team first guy that he just can't help encouraging his teammates to play the right way by being accountable to each other.
interesting article. Guy is at Sloan MIT same as Morey. Wonder if they are interpreting the stats the same http://rockets.clutchfans.net/4841/jeremy-lin-big-test/
this article is fair and he makes good use of stats to back up his points on both Lin's offensive and defensive game. but not enough mention about how he had to play out of position, how much beating and charges he takes for the team, how much energy he exerts helping out on defense, and how he has to overcome unfair treatment from the coaches. if Lin hadn't played this support role last year, his numbers both on the offensive and defensive end would be significantly higher
I saw too many articles seemingly got stats to back itself up. The problem is, stats are all conditional, without knowing the situations, the same stats can be interpreted in completely opposite directions.
Jeremy Lin is the real deal and seems to have luck on his side because he works hard and is prepared unlike most people when an opportunity arises.
Lin needs a team to take a chance on him. It's not going to be Houston. But if Lin is going to do what I think he's going to do, he's going to help Houston actually win a championship and look like the MVP of a few important games. Then he can bail on these Rockets and hopefully run to some other team that actually wants him for his on court talent and uses him more properly.
Article said Lin doesn't have a single elite skill -- blind to Lin's elite first step. It is hard to overvalue what penetration ability means for a team. Also, not all assists are created equal: the ones that set up teammates near the rim are tops, and Lin does that extremely well, one of the best in the league.
Bringing up Lin's PER last season was also straight silly. Show me a single guard with both Lin's usage rate last year and high PER.
Any article, would not be perfect to our likings. Thee might be some errors as well. But overall, I trust the article was not biased.
But but, sometimes, we tend to take out of context. Occupatio0, we have to see the who content and context of the para.
The writer's point was Jlin is a contributor to championship. ANd a contributor need not (or necessary) to be elite. He also started well, saying there is "NO" glaring hole in his game. That speaks volume.
And he ended well, saying Rox need to squeeze every single performance of the PG. Meaning, full utilize him and not running as they did last year as a spot up shooter.
Again...that was my understanding, reading the article.
quote:- While there is no glaring hole in Lin’s game, he also doesn’t have an elite skill either. He’s an above average passer and defender that runs the pick-and-roll well, but he’s a below average shooter, ball handler and creator of his own offense. When you add it all up and stack him up against a league that’s full of quality point guards, you get a player whose PER output (14.9) is below average for his position (16.2) and puts him just outside the league’s top 30 playmakers. While the PER stat isn’t loved by all, other advanced stats tell a similar story: he didn’t make the top 15 of a recent WARP-based projection of the NBA’s top point guards and he ranks 27th among point guards in both Value Added and Estimated Wins Added. Championship-winning teams do not have to be elite at every position, but with only two All-Stars, the Rockets need to squeeze every drop of performance out of their point guard spot if they are serious about contention. endquote
When I see articles bashing Lin for not doing enough statistically, I think of this particular Larry Bird anecdote:
When Bird was in college playing Notre Dame, he was TRIPLE TEAMED off the ball.
Bird, instead of fighting through the triples, decided to hang out on the perimeter. Bird said that it was as if Notre Dame had only 2 defenders on the court after he siphoned 3 defenders away. The result was that his ISU team blew out Notre Dame even Bird "only" scored 4 points and was this "shut down".
Plenty of times, we all saw Lin being zoned and trapped. He either exploited those defenses or let guys like James Harden and Chandler Parsons go nuts against single or zero coverage, especially early in the season.
Just because Lin isn't touching the ball on a given play doesn't mean that he's not having a positive offensive impact. No stat other than that of the WIN COLUMN will ever indicate Lin's proficiency in that aspect of the game.
Hey guys.. anyone here knows who is Jeremy's favorite teammate ? ( on the ROCKETS ) was this questions ask to him b4 ? B'coz when JAMES HARDEN & D' ROSE was here in the Philippines that question was ask to them.
To be honest I am kinda of bummed that Solidz and Etane were banned . They gave different perspectives on this forum, although the name-calling/swearing etc was bad because kids may have viewed the forum. They both were huge fans of Lin.
I'll just say there are other people who have done the same, but they didn't get the "hammer". Of course the owner of the site can do whatever he wishes.
Regarding this tweet, I don't know if there's too much assuming around or some writer has myopic views on Rockets management and decided to put it up on Twitter.
Ever since Howard was signed, Les Alexander has been trying to trade Omer Asik and Lin.
However, that doesn't necessarily mean that Les Alexander dislikes either player's game.
The NBA is filled with players who were rumored to be traded or even are traded and then ended up returning to the team. With this particular Houston franchise, look no further than Aaron Brooks to see a guy that was dumped, reacquired, and then signed this season!
So Lin and Asik will probably remain on the trading block while playing their NBA rotation minutes and collecting their Rockets paychecks.
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ReplyDelete@thewesleychan & @philipwang of @wongfupro show me their secret handshake (mirroring?) @ChandlerParsons & @JLin7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkScxlSAh0I …
Lin needs to take his season by the balls and play with free will, passion, decisiveness and wreckless abandon and needs to stop hesitating on his jumpshot. Shoot it, chuck it up with confidence and let the the chips fall where they may. And he needs to yell back at McHale and fight back and not be the little timid suffering good Christian. Don't hide behind your humble Christianity. Be cocky, brash and act like you deserve to be an all-star and be treated like one. Grow some big Christian balls for Christ sake!
ReplyDeleteFriedman: So from a comfort and confidence standpoint where do you feel now?
DeleteLin: Yeah, I think you hit on a big thing – a lot of it is mental; just believing and trusting in your shot.
Me: How can he have more confidence in his shots when his coaches constantly diss him? Lin was clearly nervous and hesitated a lot last season. This season, Lin LIN MUST TUNE OUT the COACHES & Morey, which is hard to do, but he can *IF* he disrespects them in his internal attitude. They would absolutely love for him to be a backup - unless they are going to trade him after one or two months (probable).
Lin: ... this summer – yeah, those trade rumors weren’t enjoyable and it sucked but I remember rumors from earlier in my career ...
DeleteMe: Weren't enjoyable?! Lin is either a masochist or polite to the point of stupidity. It's hard to respect someone who acts as if he feel that's a part of being a Christian (I used to be a Christian for many years - and he's taking things out of context)...... maybe they put him up for this as a PR favor.
Friedman: How much are you looking forward to the competition that is going to exist internally? .... this roster, the talent goes three or four deep at almost every position.
DeleteLin: I think that’s going to help us. I think it’s so important to push each other in practice.....
Me: Friedman didn't dare ask outright. Of courrse Lin didn't really answer that one. The Rockets also have 5 PG. Lin will be traded - I hope to a Western team, chicken Morey.
@Spencer
Delete"Be cocky, brash and act like you deserve to be an all-star and be treated like one."
What you've said is sort of his obligation as a paid pro - and a lot of players are like that. It's hard for Lin to do because of his own GM and coaches. BUT, like I've said, it can be done if he tunes out and disses them (only internally, of course). Those reptilians are unethical (plus wrong), so Lin should be able to tune them out.
Lin played extremely well the times when the owner was in the audience up front or when they played in NY, because the Morey-McHale team didn't marginalize Lin then.
This interview is very blah. It gives vague prompts to talk about his 'confidence' and 'attitude' -- you can pretty much guess what the responses will be. I like questions that ask specific and game-related things that don't lend themselves to stock answers.
DeleteI'm relieved now because the team is not run only by the coaches. Both James and Dwight would want to go all the way to the finals. Shackling Lin would definitely hurt the chance of the rockets. The star players would not let the coaches do it w/o taking responsibility.
DeleteAgain, McHale will be fired if the Rockets do not go to the conference finals because that is the only area that the Rockets can make significant changes now.
It's good to have McHale and Sampson on the hot seats now.
@Kwok Wai Lai,
DeleteDon't be too pleased for the wrong reason. Not surprisingly, there is a rumor going around that Lin would be a backup or traded if he doesn't gel fantastically with the current lineup. IMO, he can't gel fully because McHale still can't stand Jeremy Lin.
I'm hopeful that Lin would be traded for his own good - to a Western team (to chicken Morey). Also, then, the Rockets can no longer keep blaming things on Lin who is still paid much less than several PGs he's superior to - especially if given the similar usage as them AND without the weird negative treatment.
Well, someone had to link to it...
ReplyDeleteChandler Parsons Love Advice
I haven't seem that article, but I really doubt that I will let my daughter follows it. LOL
DeleteHis advice is surprisingly not that bad for a ladies man, except for the friend zone.
DeleteThe best one is the first advice "Smile a lot but make sure you have teeth" lol
huh? a ladies' man like him looks at a girl's....teeth?
DeleteThe bit about 'playing with your hair' is straight ridiculous. I now imagine countless teen girls now twirling their hair in some silly fashion after reading this article... Come on now, there are so many ways for girls to show they are interested, but guys can't pick up any signals except hair twirling? The reproduction of the human species is doomed.
DeleteWho was coaching Lin to tweak his shooting mechanics? Lin's most glaring flaw is his shooting: jumps shots and 3pointers. Sort of puzzling that for a bball player who has been aspiring to play in the NBA since young didn't know that these are the prerequisites to succeed?
DeleteGosh, did I just sound like a Lin's doubter? :(
Deleteliv.. No... I said almost the same thing b4 many times.
DeleteLin did not go to a good basketball high school, and he did not get recruited to an elite basketball college. His parents probably did not think he can make it in the NBA, so they didn't hire coaches for him or make him play in AAU summer leagues where there's more competition. Jeremy's dream was to become a pastor and to serve God. Most of his skills are self taught or taught by his Dad.
DeleteOther NBA players went to elite basketball schools and colleges that have expert coaches and trainers. Their parents also hire personal trainers to work on their game. If Lin had these advantages growing up, he would have a deadly jumpshot and unstoppable dribble.
Well, even if you got "good" coaches, in terms of shooting (mechanics in particulate), you will find that it is still a big debate between coaches.
DeleteLin's dad was one of the BEST trainers he ever had.
DeleteIf Lin didn't have his dad coaching him with proven NBA methods, Lin wouldn't even be in the NBA.
I'm starting to believe that Lin can make any shooting technique work provided that he's not injured from constant illegal hits.
First of all, kudos to the mods (and presumbly self-restraint from posters as well) to clean up the personal attacks. We're all enjoying the improved signal-to-noise ratio. Looks like this site is back to the good old days of respectfully debating different viewpoints!
ReplyDeleteGood interview by Jason Friedman, finally some new information. (I didn't get much out of the Alex Kennedy article).
"Jump a little less high" - I totally agree with this. If you rely on jumping very high for your jump shot, it will be inconsistent when you tire at the end of games. Getting a shot off without getting blocked is more about a quick release than jumping super high. Just look at Steph Curry.
"I’m definitely more comfortable in the underdog role and I definitely feel like I’m back there once again." - Agree as well.
Can't wait for the preseason to start to get the first looks at the team chemistry.
"I’m going to try to jump a little less high, but keep the motion more fluid so that there’s less of a hitch."
DeleteHe must have been reading our comments, ha. Or at least Doc Scheppler was.
I'm a bit torn about the shooting. Lin is tweaking his shot to resemble that of a catch and shooter. But Lin has always been an off the dribble shooter. Great off the dribble shooters do jump high to shoot (MJ and Kobe type). I know he needs to hit corner 3s on this team, but still :|
DeleteI think what he meant was becoming a one motion shooter like Curry. Although I criticized his shootings a lot of time, but the only thing troubles me is his elbow, he is just not a straight shooter. All other aspect of his shooting is pretty good to me.
Delete@Dave T, in terms of dribble shooting, Curry is better than almost ,if not all, the entire league. He does not jump high, but his release is fast.
DeleteCurry has a fast release, but he also creates space for his shot with his footwork. He'll quick dribble in one direction, then stop and fade away. It's all about creating space.
DeleteIf you meant forcing a contested shot like Kobe, then yeah.... you really need to jump as high as you can.
DeleteHas anyone been able to watch the movie on Amazon instant video? The page is not working, at least for me.
ReplyDeleteI bought the Linsanity instant video about 24 hours ago and watched it once...Then it is no longer available...and could not watch it anymore.
DeleteAmazon gave me a refund!
It's been taken down, certainly was a mistake. A few people here saw it during the small window it was available. I wanted to wait for my Blu-Ray copy so I didn't go for it.
DeleteI bought it and managed to watch it 3 times ( I know, I know, I am an obsessed fan). It shows up in my video library but does not play now :-( I guess I have to request a refund and patiently wait for my kickstarter bluray.
DeleteIronically, this is one instance in which I was willing to pay money for the content, but wasn't allowed to do so. I'll probably end up downloading it for free eventually.
DeleteSo far this is the best JLin Q&A Jason Friedman has done. I don't like Friedman much.I like J's new attitude, "I’m just going out there to play and not worry about anything: about proving myself to anybody, or proving my worth, or trying to live up to a contract, or whatever. I’m just going to go out there and play completely free of all the expectations and all the noise, the pressure." I say his positive attitude in having D12 in the team is genuine and once they build good chemistry we may be seeing a lot of plays like those Jeremy and Tyson had with the Knicks.
ReplyDeleteOn the fun side, I laughed at his reactions about Chandler's dating advice.Although,if we have a daughter, I wouldn't let Jeremy give dating advice to her. It's my turf as a mom so he better not touch that subject or blood will be shed.
PS - @Psalm, what do you mean by Jessica Alba aura? :D
JCF looks to have good relationships with Lin and Parsons judging from their interviews, videos. Being a Rox employee, JCF had his ways to make Lin look good in his articles by continuously highlighting Lin's impressive 0.4 3pt shooting in the last 3 months of the regular season. I think one time he actually asked a good question about Lin's performance during McHale post-game interview when McHale didn't say anything good about Lin.
DeleteThis article also has a light-hearted tone to it compared to the last one. I guess the joint-training with Howard helped Lin to be more secure in his upcoming role in Houston.
Yes, a single Jessica Alba aura :] We know you can make it happen!
lol
Deleteoh the pressure @psalm!
Deleteno pressure, just be yourself!
Deletejust add Alba's perfume or hairstyle. haha
SOME MORE GOOFING AROUND AT LA PREMIERE.
ReplyDeleteNicki Sun interviews @ Linsanity premiere
DeleteConclusion: They're one crazy family.....and... lol
DeleteThanks for the video, via!
DeleteLin's high school coach, Diepenbrock: "Lin was a *very very* confident player."
The GM Morey and the coach McHale tried to break Lin's spirits last season. It was a highly unusual thing to do, but then Lin and those two were in a highly unusual situation, where the year before Lin took off *after* he was waived by them. No wonder Lin's confidence was so visibly low. Lin is mentally resilient and has great family support, but the young guy couldn't entirely shut off the two old bosses who should have had better ethics. If Morey and the first two coaches are like that publicly, I wonder what kind of skeletons they have in their closets (i.e, other than the ones we already know about: the NBA ethics violation for McHale and Sampson's NCAA ethics violation).
But from the Friedman interview, Lin may be better prepared this season to fight them mentally; it better be for real because he will need it- but I remember he said something similar last season.
yw, ztrta :)
DeleteYep great interview. Love Lin's answers to horrible questions. Notice Friedman did not even touch the "are you a role player?" type questions this time. He knew Lin would shut them down. And then Lin threw in the the "Houston tried to trade me this summer" haha. Lin is learning and learning well.
ReplyDeleteHe also made it clear he intends to break through and achieving Linsanity consistently is something he actually can and intends to do. What a great comment.
None of these comments were what the Rockets wanted or expected to hear. This is Lin at his best. He is not saying he is the man or anything special but he's not saying he can't be the man either. I wished he was able to answer questions like he is now a year ago, but he's really gotten decent at answering these things lately.
Props to Lin. I expect a decent year from him no matter if the Rockets stink or win the championship. I think this year, Morey will no longer let Mchale bench Lin over and over and do those horrible rhythm killing substitutions of Lin like last year either since the team is in tact now.
Definitely looking forward to watching Lin this year; the season can't start soon enough.
DeleteA couple of Solidz posts went out to thin air. Blogger bug again?
ReplyDeleteYeah, 2 posts just gone. :/
Delete[Oh, this post of yours...]
No, he is banned. I'm not putting up with anymore nonsense.
DeleteVery glad not to see any more negative comments and constant bickering!
DeleteWho else you've banned, JLinfan#1?
DeleteFirst and only one Rikki.
DeleteThanks for banning solidz ,jlinfan#1.
DeleteNo more solidz and no more etane. Are they the same person?
DeleteSolidz always brought every post to the gutter. Banned from 2 sites. Wow!
Deletesolidz, if you're reading this,hit up my link in my profile.
Deletethank you JLinfan#1 for banning Solidz. I almost gave up visiting this site because of him!!
DeleteThank you JLinfan#1! You forgot to ban etane. :P
DeleteInfact I liked all the views that solidz, etane and khuang brought to the table, but it just gets ugly when they resort to personal/characteristic attacks.
DeleteBut I would like to see them again, without the bickerings :)
Any time when Lin suffered because of injury or different game plans from the coach, the LinHaters would come out to diss Lin. When Lin was performing in March and April, those jerks didn't seem to notice. These guys are sick and off balanced.
DeleteWe're looking for an opportunity to silence those bastards once and for all. Let this be they year Lin become an All-star point guard. We'll celebrate this in the all start break.
What a relief. Thanks, JLinfan#1!
DeleteI can't thank you enough JLinfan#1, he almost destroyed this site.
DeleteI thought Solidz's and Etane's posts made a lot of sense and enjoyed them. Although, after a while, I did skip reading most of the fighting posts, which tainted this site. But it takes two to tango? I assume Solidz was given a warning first.
Delete*Sigh*
DeleteWe "Lin fans" would rejoice that a fellow [and TRUEBLUE] Lin fan is now banned here? Smh.
- How many of us here have gone out to actually call out Rox org [Morey, Jfried, Feigen] for mistreating JLin, like Solidz' did?
- He got banned on CF FOR STANDING UP FOR JLIN! <- How is this a black mark for a Lin fan? Why do people never acknowledge this?
- His views are pragmatic, for which he is constantly maligned as an LOH. As a Lin fan I'd like nothing more than to hunker down and tunnel-vision onto Linworshipfulness too, unfortunately the real world is indeed quite brutal and unfair, and Solidz speaks from this reality. He's one of the few here who would actually risk the ire of the majority to posit real-life workable ways for JLin to overcome his unfortunate situation, and not:
1- wallow in despair and anger.
2- cling to the hopes of a miraculous change on the part of Rox org [or divine intervention of some kind].
3- signal and pander to groupthink bcos what they really care about is projecting some silly image on a fan forum.
4- sacrifice JLin's future and individuality to some grand racial/ spiritual/ social vision.
- Oh yeah, he forgets to be nice.
As I said before, it's really unfortunate that Solidz got banned because he had some good valid points and he's one of a kind Lin fan with big Lin's signed autographed picture on his wall.
DeleteI wish Solidz would know how to be nice. I remember he got banned from CF for questioning the motivation of the owner to benefit from ad-clicks due to LOFs vs LOHs. Even if that might potentially be true, it forced the mod to take action. It's not a wise strategy to get his points across to many people there. Once people get offended and feel disrespected, it's hard for them to see the good points that others have.
I also wish a nicer Solidz would be back. Knowing him, he's not one to change easily. But we can hope for the best.
Really? Just Solidz? Sadly, this will become a bad precedent IMO. Real trolls aren't banned but a true real fan got banned instead. Wherever he is right now, I hope he don't stop calling out on Lin haters and fake Lin fans.
DeleteGuess we're no longer allowed to post realistic stuff anymore and only allowed to talk about sunshine and rainbows with unicorns right around the corner.
reading Solidz's posts was like riding on an emotional roller coaster. he was the same over at CFs. you couldn't tell whether he was a fan or a hater. but after a while, you'd come to the conclusion that he's just very emotional with his support for Lin. so, i'd guess you can say he's a "Superfan"? not surprised that he was banned from both sites.. an anit-Lin site and a Lin-site. well, at least, he can say was was the first here. lol
Deleteso you disagree that solidz should change, Etane. I can accept that.
DeleteWhy do you feel the need to call people names instead of disagreeing respectfully?
- How many of us here have gone out to actually call out Rox org [Morey, Jfried, Feigen] for mistreating JLin, like Solidz' did? -- A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE. Some of us don't have time to comment every single day. Some of us are tired of calling out the the org, coaches, morey, beat writers because at the end of the day, none of us can change those people or what they write/say. Some of us are rational and understand that really, the only person who can make the situation better is LIN. Yes, he's in a crappy situation with a coach/mngt team that doesn't fully support him but we can't change those people, only Lin can. That's why some of us aren't saying much, we want to see how Lin adapts this season. Constantly complaining about the same people over and over again, isn't going to make the situation better. Complaining about these people is NOT a unique position. I see more people complain about these people than support them, actually.
Delete- He got banned on CF FOR STANDING UP FOR JLIN! <- How is this a black mark for a Lin fan? Why do people never acknowledge this? -- There are a lot of members on that site who are huge Lin supporters but they didn't get banned. Unlike Solidz, they're able to STAND UP FOR JLIN, be civil, and not have issues with the moderator(s).
- His views are pragmatic, for which he is constantly maligned as an LOH. As a Lin fan I'd like nothing more than to hunker down and tunnel-vision onto Linworshipfulness too, unfortunately the real world is indeed quite brutal and unfair, and Solidz speaks from this reality. He's one of the few here who would actually risk the ire of the majority to posit real-life workable ways for JLin to overcome his unfortunate situation, and not:
1- wallow in despair and anger. -- I went back and looked, after the playoffs, he was the angriest member on this site. He called people on here p*ssies, called Lin a p*ussy, and said that Lin's christian views were going to prevent him from reaching his potential (paraphrasing). He was not one of the few that took risks. To you he took risks bc you think that everyone agrees with Khuang or is afraid to question him. Uh, no. Some of us don't have the time or energy to argue with Khuang like we didn't have the time or energy to argue with solidz. Both of them said crazy s.hit. Khuang was wrong to call some of you LOH but why the hell do you care what he says, anyway? As far as I can tell, Khuang was the main person who called solidz an LOH on here. I didn't see other members constantly calling solidz an LOH.
2- cling to the hopes of a miraculous change on the part of Rox org [or divine intervention of some kind]. -- I'm not clinging or hoping for a miraculous change. I know other members on here aren't either.
3- signal and pander to groupthink bcos what they really care about is projecting some silly image on a fan forum. -- In my opinion, Solidz did not say anything that unique or different from anyone else, he was just more negative about it. There are LOTS of different personalities on this site. Some are hopeful and believe that Lin will overcome, some are cautious and want to see how Lin adapts this season, some are angry -- which is understandable, and some just, aren't as invested. I don't really see the groupspeak around here but again, maybe it's because I'm not making this a "Khuang owns everyone on this site and they're all afraid to speak up" thing.
4- sacrifice JLin's future and individuality to some grand racial/ spiritual/ social vision. -- I pretty much stayed out of the racial/spiritual stuff...as did others.
- Oh yeah, he forgets to be nice. -- it's not just about forgetting to be nice. Over the summer, this site was unbearable and he had a lot to do with it. He also trolled and disrespected the moderator. This is a big no, no. Why would any sane person do this? You don't.
Don't get it twisted either. I'm far, far from perfect and have said some crazy s.hit myself, but I know that trolling and disrespecting the moderator is not the way handle things. I understand why he was banned. You could make a case that a couple other people who made this place a living hell (over the summer) should be banned as well.
DeleteI'm not sure how you became so suspicious, Etane. I consider Solidz as a friend and wished him well hoping he can change to be nicer so we can have him back here.
DeleteIf you interpreted 'wishing people to be nicer' as telling people to change, I don't know what else to tell you because you made up your mind.
If a lot of people agree with Etane that my answer sounded dismissive and disrespectful, I will publicly and personally apologize to him because that's not my intention.
ksmith: A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE.
Deletevia: Good for them. Even if it's not the a unique position to be in, Solidz pro-activity clearly shows that he is a fan and not simply a troublemaker as other would like to portray him as. Having others do the same does not take away from that. For sure the people who are now rejoicing up there on this thread didn't even do these things.
ksmith: Some of us don't have time to comment every single day.
via: Precisely. Some drops in and out of this forum, and do not have to care about what untruths are being perpetuated here daily, after all you can elegantly drop in, take what you want, and leave. And you are not the ones being maligned and made targets for expressing perhaps a divergent view after all.
ksmith: Some of us are tired of calling out the the org, coaches, morey, beat writers because at the end of the day, none of us can change those people or what they write/say. Some of us are rational and understand that really, the only person who can make the situation better is LIN. Yes, he's in a crappy situation with a coach/mngt team that doesn't fully support him but we can't change those people, only Lin can. That's why some of us aren't saying much, we want to see how Lin adapts this season. Constantly complaining about the same people over and over again, isn't going to make the situation better.
via: Let's not rationalize passivity and leaning on what's convenient as "what's rational". No one can be certain if public pressure can or cannot affect the Rox, so let's not represent this as a fact. After all, they have instituted PR damage control with JLin before, when public outcry had been great. Just bcos WE have decided it's pointless does not mean it's IN FACT pointless. <- This would be the rational way to see things, adjusting for real-time changes and not being entrenched in a static position for want of certainty or closure.
ksmith: Complaining about these people is NOT a unique position.
Deletevia: And yet the people who rejoice over his banning can't be bothered to even do this. Having other people do the same does not negate his own acts. It merely shows that they ALL care about JLin, that he, like them, is not a troll, or a mere troublemaker. Why dismiss his efforts as a fan like this tho? Others do it too so it has no value? This is true effort from a fan, and whether you approve of it as a connoisseur of rationality or efficacy or not, you cannot deny the sincerity of the act. He is a TRUE FAN.
ksmith: There are a lot of members on that site who are huge Lin supporters but they didn't get banned. Unlike Solidz, they're able to STAND UP FOR JLIN, be civil, and not have issues with the moderator(s).
via: It's true he is a hothead. Does not take away from the fact that it was for JLin he was banned. People make it sound like his goal is to disrupt.
ksmith: 1- wallow in despair and anger. -- I went back and looked, after the playoffs, he was the angriest member on this site. He called people on here p*ssies, called Lin a p*ussy, and said that Lin's christian views were going to prevent him from reaching his potential (paraphrasing).
via: Again at the heat of the moment, he is prone to express his frustration rather strongly. But he always MOVES ON. What were his posts that @ztrta, @Tiger, @Maknusia were referring to then that they said they liked? Surely you are not citing one [or a FEW] instance to represent the WHOLE of his posting career here, and pave over all the posts where he made [very] valid points?
ksmith: He was not one of the few that took risks. To you he took risks bc you think that everyone agrees with Khuang or is afraid to question him. Uh, no.
Deletevia: UH, NO.
I don't think everyone agrees with KHuang or is afraid to question him. I WANT to think that, but actually I'm not that optimistic. I think some people just don't give a crap that there are posters who gets maligned, dissenters who are silenced, as long as they get what they want/ need out of this place. And by this type of bystander behavior, they are as good as complicit in the maligning and bullying of these dissenters. All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
As for nitpicking about who called Solids an LOH, would it be better if I use the word "troublemaker" then?
ksmith: I'm not clinging or hoping for a miraculous change. I know other members on here aren't either.
via: You surely would not deny that a predominantly Christian-populated site would have this way of thinking. You, ONE PERSON, would hardly be representative. I never said ALL are clinging to this way of thinking. [Btw, I have nothing against "clinging" of this type as a coping mechanism, tho people choosing this strategy would be prone to find Solidz' attachment to the workings of Real Life distasteful.]
I also find it rather strange to have Solidz [who wasn't jaded enough to give up on actively pursuing the Rox to account for their acts] be characterized as "negative." Frustration is a sign of thwarted expectation and here you can see how high he is on JLin.
ksmith: In my opinion, Solidz did not say anything that unique or different from anyone else, he was just more negative about it. There are LOTS of different personalities on this site. Some are hopeful and believe that Lin will overcome, some are cautious and want to see how Lin adapts this season, some are angry -- which is understandable, and some just, aren't as invested. I don't really see the groupspeak around here but again, maybe it's because I'm not making this a "Khuang owns everyone on this site and they're all afraid to speak up" thing.
via: Neither am I making this a KHuang owns everyone/ afraid to speak up. But when people, whether bcos they are owned by KHuang, afraid of KHuang, or for world peace, DOES NOT SPEAK UP WHEN OTHERS ARE BEING MALIGNED, PRESSURED TO DISASSOCIATE WITH CERTAIN POSTERS, PRESSURED TO NOT EXPRESS A DIVERGENT VIEW, that's as good as supporting the act of maligning, pressuring and bullying itself. This is our community, WE SHOULD CARE.
ksmith: I pretty much stayed out of the racial/spiritual stuff...as did others.
Deletevia: Some did, some did not. Like you keep repeating, you are too busy to be here, but not the vociferous ones who are here and labeling people racists etc. Not the people who have to endure their bullying.
ksmith: it's not just about forgetting to be nice. Over the summer, this site was unbearable and he had a lot to do with it. He also trolled and disrespected the moderator. This is a big no, no. Why would any sane person do this? You don't.
via: To borrow from zrtra, it takes two to tango. The arguments were prolonged bcos both sides kept the back-and-forth going. And yet KHuang gets a pass even when his acts were far more egregious. This is not about Khuang, but just to point out how differently they are judged here on this site. True, Solidz' hotheadedness got the best of him. Like you said, why would any same person do this? It's a temperament, with no premeditated malice on his part. I just wanted to point out HOW BIG OF A LIN FAN HE IS. There are near-trolls like @Hunch who don't get banned bcos he knows how to pull back just at the right time to avoid banning. But Solidz is such a sincere fan that his frustration do sometimes runs away from him. Be that as it may, people who are rejoicing that he got banned...Really? HE'S A FELLOW LIN FAN, NOT A TROLL, NOT AN LOH, NOT A RACIST-WHATEVER-KHUANG-LABELS-HIM-WITH.
WOW This is really a huge after wave....Agree with via 100% so far.
DeleteI agree with k.smith in his long post above.
DeleteI really dont care if solidz is an avid fan or not. I care more about how he talks to people. Utterly disrespect. One final case in point that finally doomed him was his attack on a new lady poster. Damn, you got to be more mature than that. In real life if you behaved like that, no one will give you a pass. Being online gives him the keys to do such things without much repercussions except for his duel with khuang. He attacked people across the board many times for benign reasons. The guy has got a problem. Can you smell a trail of enemies his built just by his language? For sure. Again i dont care about his fandom. I care about his utter lack of respect fir others through his language. No excuses for that.
DeleteThere are three sides to this debate, only 2 of which I will address.
Delete1) There are Lin fans who are monitoring Lin's media presence and are seeking any way to bolster his image. These fans hope that media positivity of Lin will bolster his on court play and media negativity will hinder his on court performances.
2) There are Lin fans (like myself) who feel that the media is anti Lin and the only way to change that is for Lin to play GREAT the way Lin is capable of. We feel that no amount of media posturing will impact Lin on the NBA court one iota, that the only way Lin has survived all the negativity is by DOMINATING on a basketball court.
3) The 3rd category is made up of people that are here to flame and taunt others on this forum, regardless of their feelings about Lin. JLinfan#1 has made it clear that he will tolerate no more garbage from this group.
Don't worry about it psalm, you're a good guy. I appreciate that you were trying to bring peace to this place. How you stay calm while continually insulted borders on absurdity. If I met you I'd buy you a beer.
DeleteEtane we're cool but I'm one of your wacky ones. I love atheists. You can certainly be a Jeremy fan without sharing his faith. You just can't separate Jeremy the basketball player from his faith. On the flip side of the coin I see a lot of "I wish Jeremy wasn't so religious," "Being a Christian is holding him back," "Jeremy needs to stop being a Christian and grow some balls!" comments. Not from you, but there have been plenty.
How many of us here have gone out to actually call out Rox org [Morey, Jfried, Feigen] for mistreating JLin, like Solidz' did? ---- You asked how many people here have gone out to actually call out Rox org and I answered your question -- a lot of people, including myself.
DeleteSome drops in and out of this forum, and do not have to care about what untruths are being perpetuated here daily, after all you can elegantly drop in, take what you want, and leave. And you are not the ones being maligned and made targets for expressing perhaps a divergent view after all. ---- I would like to know, who was being maligned and made a target for expressing (perhaps) divergent views? The moderator gave general warnings and deleted offensive comments. If you think that solidz was being maligned and made a target, then we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Khuang, solidz and etane dominated this site for the entire summer, if anything, they were the ones who targeted people on here, not the other way around.
After all, they have instituted PR damage control with JLin before, when public outcry had been great. ---- When specifically did this happen and how do you know for a fact, the Rockets instituted PR damage control?
Again at the heat of the moment, he is prone to express his frustration rather strongly. But he always MOVES ON. ---- If he truly moved on, then why did he keep mentioning other members’ names (including mine) from previous disagreements /arguments? That doesn’t sound like someone who “always moves on”.
Surely you are not citing one [or a FEW] instance to represent the WHOLE of his posting career here, and pave over all the posts where he made [very] valid points? ---- It’s interesting that you don’t think I should be doing this (I wasn’t. I gave examples to show that he did wallow in despair and anger too) but the person you’re defending has done this to other members.
You, ONE PERSON, would hardly be representative. I never said ALL are clinging to this way of thinking. ---- Like I said, I’m not clinging or hoping for a miraculous change and I know other members on here aren’t either.
via: But when people, whether bcos they are owned by KHuang, afraid of KHuang, or for world peace, DOES NOT SPEAK UP WHEN OTHERS ARE BEING MALIGNED, PRESSURED TO DISASSOCIATE WITH CERTAIN POSTERS, PRESSURED TO NOT EXPRESS A DIVERGENT VIEW, that's as good as supporting the act of maligning, pressuring and bullying itself. This is our community, WE SHOULD CARE.
K.Smith: The same could be said of solidz. But when people, whether they are owned by solidz, afraid of solidz, or for world peace, don’t speak up when others are being maligned/pressured to not express a divergent view, that’s as good as supporting the act of maligning/pressuring/bullying itself. I understand why solidz went back and forth with Khuang (and vice versa) but he attacked other people too. He attacked other people who didn’t even have issues with him, who didn’t bully/attack him. Why weren’t more people sticking up for those members who were being attacked by solidz?
He is not the victim.
And yet KHuang gets a pass even when his acts were far more egregious. This is not about Khuang, but just to point out how differently they are judged here on this site. ---- Like i said, you could make a case that a couple other people who made this place a living hell (over the summer) should be banned as well.
I just wanted to point out HOW BIG OF A LIN FAN HE IS. ---- I never said he wasn’t.
I guess etane is banned too. I always suspected etane and solidz were related judging by their shared thinking and writing style.
Delete@Brent~ You have always been very rational in your views, calm and never letting emotions, vanity nor personal dislike cloud your judgment. I hope posters here would see this and if there's any residual animosity towards me, understand to not lump you with this here. Thanks for seeing what I was trying to say, btw. ^^
Delete@mt~ No one's arguing Solidz to be polite. He can be rude, and people have been rude back to him. Pls don't bring in the "lady" poster as some grand indication of his character: look at the symmetry in their retorts and you can see he grabbed the first thing that came to his mind, it was not as if he meant to say that. Not excusing him, but let's not characterize him by that one case [which he even acknowledge immediately afterwards to be rather excessive and accidental.] He "attacked" people on the board? or was he just obnoxious in pointing out what he thinks to be absurdities in their posts? HE'S OBNOXIOUS, and unfortunately, the posters here were unable to Out-obnoxious him, altho THEY ARE FREE TO DO SO. Can he refute an unrefutable position? Can he insist the right to be wrong if posters came supported by facts? I think it was @Blake who was talking about how Linfans are under seige...WEll, here is a true blue Lin fan.
Deletemt: I really dont care if solidz is an avid fan or not. I care more about how he talks to people.
via: We should care about his fandom, and not only about his superficial behavior. We should care about substance over style. @mt I understand what your saying, but can you also see how sad it is when a superfan like him is banned while known trolls continue to freely post here? This is how a purported Lin fansite is operating.
@KSMITH~ How many of us here have gone out to actually call out Rox org [Morey, Jfried, Feigen] for mistreating JLin, like Solidz' did? ---- You asked how many people here have gone out to actually call out Rox org and I answered your question -- a lot of people, including myself.
DeleteVIA: Yes, bcos my obvious purpose for asking this rhetorical question is to literally know how many. No, I did not mean to demonstrate that he put in more effort in defending JLin than his detractors above did, what I really meant was, tell me how many!
Again, just bcos other did so too does not take away from the true sentiment from which he made the effort. Why dismiss his sincere efforts as "meh, others did too, so what?" Now you wish to split hairs on "You asked how many?"
KSMITH: I would like to know, who was being maligned and made a target for expressing (perhaps) divergent views? The moderator gave general warnings and deleted offensive comments. If you think that solidz was being maligned and made a target, then we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Khuang, solidz and etane dominated this site for the entire summer, if anything, they were the ones who targeted people on here, not the other way around.
VIA: Solidz and Etane being called RACIST bcos they point out certain absurdities in KHuang's post, I'd call maligning. YOU CALLING ETANE A RACIST TROLL ON CRACK I'd consider maligning. [You recognize these words, pls do not ask me for a link now.] Me being called a racewar instigator with a dark agenda etc etc I'd call maligning. [ask Blake, he implied all kinds of things about me, w/c he proceeded to avoid to address.]
And please don't lump Solidz, Etane, and KHuang together, the mod don't, neither do a majority of the posters here, AND YOU KNOW IT. They are not judged by the same standard, nor enjoy the same privileges. You know that Solidz calling people out for their post as ignorant/ or naive is DIFFERENT FROM CALLING SOMEONE A RACIST, right? The first ones are personal assessments, the latter IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE UNLESS THE ACCUSED ACTUALLY COMMITTED A RACIST ACT. I'd think for an asian-american, you'd be careful with this particular word and don't understand how you can commit the same offense on Etane yourself like it's nothing. [This happens in a JLin fansite!]
How sad, I'm at this point thinking how KHuang will now point out how I'm "attacking" ksmith, bcos I recalled this fact. The discourse here had come to this...
KSMITH: After all, they have instituted PR damage control with JLin before, when public outcry had been great. ---- When specifically did this happen and how do you know for a fact, the Rockets instituted PR damage control?
VIA: No, I did not know for a FACT that they did, just like you do not know for a FACT that they haven't or will not in the future. I dare the posters here to forget those posts where people were wondering/ speculating on why McHale and Co. were suddenly taking a gentler approach with JLin questions in postgame interviews. There were posts discussing Rox in JLin damage control in the archives. Since this is my last post, I'm not really that motivated to wade through all the posts to retrieve them. However, I'm quite sure posters here can remember them. But even if there had not been any, your own inividually-drawn conclusions that proactively holding the Rox responsible by calling them out is futile does not negate nor devalue any fan's act towards this endeavor, as a sign of their sincere support for JLin.
KSMITH: Again at the heat of the moment, he is prone to express his frustration rather strongly. But he always MOVES ON. ---- If he truly moved on, then why did he keep mentioning other members’ names (including mine) from previous disagreements /arguments? That doesn’t sound like someone who “always moves on”.
Deletevia: Here you do a switch and bait: We're talking about him moving on from being frustrated with JLin's play outcomes during the playoff, AND he did move on, in fact talking about what JLin's NEXT step should be. So you now shift it to him not being able to move on from posters, is this like how posters does not move on from him when he's not around to defend himself, lol? [This happens not only this once. People talk about other posters, other posters do, so did he. That's has nothing to do with him moving or not moving on with his frustrations with the playoffs.]
KSMITH: You, ONE PERSON, would hardly be representative. I never said ALL are clinging to this way of thinking. ---- Like I said, I’m not clinging or hoping for a miraculous change and I know other members on here aren’t either.
VIA: You understand that I never said you are, nor the others you're refering to, right? You're not the majority, you know ths is a preominantly Christian-populated site. It's sheer disingenuousness to further argue this point.
But when people, whether bcos they are owned by KHuang, afraid of KHuang, or for world peace, DOES NOT SPEAK UP WHEN OTHERS ARE BEING MALIGNED, PRESSURED TO DISASSOCIATE WITH CERTAIN POSTERS, PRESSURED TO NOT EXPRESS A DIVERGENT VIEW, that's as good as supporting the act of maligning, pressuring and bullying itself. This is our community, WE SHOULD CARE.
KSMITH: The same could be said of solidz. But when people, whether they are owned by solidz, afraid of solidz, or for world peace, don’t speak up when others are being maligned/pressured to not express a divergent view, that’s as good as supporting the act of maligning/pressuring/bullying itself. I understand why solidz went back and forth with Khuang (and vice versa) but he attacked other people too. He attacked other people who didn’t even have issues with him, who didn’t bully/attack him. Why weren’t more people sticking up for those members who were being attacked by solidz?
VIA: Lol, really?
Did Solidz made false statements to damage another's reputation? From what I can tell, only KHuang do that REGULARLY [Not to refute a particular post, but to defame people.] Calling people's post stupid is obnoxious, a PERSONAL JUDGEMENT, based on relative values. Calling people RACIST is an OUTRIGHT LIE UNLESS THE ACCUSED ACTUALLY COMMITTED A RACIST ACT. Again, since you yourself would call Etane a "Racist Troll on Crack" without evidence, perhaps our views of the gravity of these offenses are diff, idk. Maybe for some people, maligning people with racist epithets is meh, but people rudely refuting other's posts as stupid is WHOA SO DISRESPECTFUL! [I'd say lying about someone being a racist, with all the history of that word attached to it, is BEYOND disrespectful even, but that's just me.]
KSMITH: The same could be said of solidz. But when people, whether they are owned by solidz, afraid of solidz, or for world peace, don’t speak up when others are being maligned/pressured to not express a divergent view, that’s as good as supporting the act of maligning/pressuring/bullying itself.
DeleteVIA: I've been told by KHuang that if I associate with Etane and Solidz, I'm a racist. From my knowlege, Solidz never pressure anyone give up freedom of association, he never pressured people to not express a divergent view by labeling them racist and calling the MOTIVES for their actions in question. He just thinks some posts are stupid, and posters are free to call his judgement of their post just as stupid. Jlinfanisasuperhero 's having a field day a few day before calling SOlidz all kinds of things, 0ccupati0, etc...who's stopping them, who's pressuring them to stop? Are you saying posters cannot refute posts they don't agree with, bcos this will now be called an "attack" <- what if in their personal cognitive estimation, the post were indeed absurd, illogical and stupid? <- So rude! An attack! [Call them racist instead, after all it's acceptable, proof is the lack of uproar here.]
*sarcasm* <- in case people want to use EVEN this, sigh...
KSMITH: I understand why solidz went back and forth with Khuang (and vice versa) but he attacked other people too. He attacked other people who didn’t even have issues with him, who didn’t bully/attack him. Why weren’t more people sticking up for those members who were being attacked by solidz?
via: Perhaps if we don't think that people SHOULD be attacking each other's person [w/c is a legacy we have from KHuang] but that we are addressing the poster's post and perhaps the quality of thinking that spawned that particular post, we'd stop thinking he's "attacking" people who he "shouldn't" be attacking. He's making obnoxious comments on people's post, and people have been obnoxious back to him. Why didn't others stick up for the criticized post? Posters [like psalm] do that all the time.
KSMITH: He is not the victim.
VIA: No he's too proud and too assertive to be a victim.
Sadly it seems we must wait for there to be a victim first before we point out a prevaling double-standard.
How about me being personally attacked when I did nothing but make accurate observations supported by evidence?
KSMITH: And yet KHuang gets a pass even when his acts were far more egregious. This is not about Khuang, but just to point out how differently they are judged here on this site. ---- Like i said, you could make a case that a couple other people who made this place a living hell (over the summer) should be banned as well.
VIA: Yes, it's easy to wash your hands off of KHuang. You understand the three of them are not on the same playing field, right. KHuang will never be banned, lol. He knows to pander to the forum. Posters who are too busy cannot be bothered to maybe tap him on the shoulders to let him know it's not ok to defame people. They say KHuang's slanders were just him being "carried away" but EVEN SO, since he's a "uniter" etc, hey whatever, right? [Washing hands of responsibility in supporting KHuang by rationalizing one's silence in the face of unacceptable acts being done on fellow posters, like ME.]
KSMITH: I just wanted to point out HOW BIG OF A LIN FAN HE IS. ---- I never said he wasn’t.
VIA: And I never said you refuted this particular claim, did I?
The disingenuousness in here...The acts and passive abstentions-from-acting [thereby further supporting the status quo] that posters make to serve their emotional/ social self-interest, the dubious trade-offs involved, but worst, the adamant refusal to see the ethical implications of one's choices.
Anyway, good luck to all.
Ok, people are now just as free to trash me after I'm gone and cannot defend myself. :)
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DeleteJust to be clear, you do know I said up there is MY LAST POST, right? [Lol, obviously it's THIS post now.]
DeleteI DON'T NEED YOUR PERMISSION, I will post or not post as I wish. And I've decided before you issued your imperial orders to not continue posting. So...rejoice! :)
You better not quit on us Via, we need healthy and sustainable dosage of Lin's stuff/news. Even though the site have been overtaken by loudmouth, passive, fake/false-peace loving, self-decider Lin fans since now both etane and solidz gone---always know a few us here are your friends and we will always support you even though nobody else can defend yourself as good as you, you know, I mean to say positive things(obviously not good at it lol) lets just leave it at that.
Delete@via wong Thanks for caring so much about this forum. Thanks for the links and info. Thanks for being a fan. Without you, this comments section and indeed this site becomes much less interesting. You will be missed. Good bye~! *waves*
DeleteK.Smith, you are totally on point!
Deleteagree with what mt said here as well.
Lol, obviously I suck at leave-taking, smh..
Delete@Rikki, @wilc~ sorry, forgot to properly say goodbye to you guys. You gents on this site, so classy...you're great 大哥s I respect and admire. :)
Anyhow, I can't not be a Lin fan, and not put up links...at a diff place, maybe? We'll see each other again hopefully. [Thanks for the kind words. YOU guys are great.] :)
Via, please stay. QQ
DeleteVia i dont think ive ever chance to argue with you before cuz i think you are a good person. In solidz, i think your making every excuse possible for him. Are you really serious about your comments "he can be rude, people unable to outobnoxious him, and characterizing him for one incidence"? Listen to what your really say. Why the heck does anybody have to outobnoxious him? I think the byproduct of your contempt for khuang is being blindsided by the absurdities that other posters have to deal with solidz. I was one of them. I challenged him kindly, but that did not work. Solidz was all style and btw he got his substance from attacking other peoples substance. I think its healthy for all involved to distance ourselves from him, you included. Too much us against khuang stuff too. Just ignore the posts and your day will be mire enjoyable. Fandom or not whats real is how you treat other people by your manner of speak. Alright thats enough of that topic.
DeleteI have no bad bone against Solidz, Etane, or via except the trolls like Atomic & Quasimodo.
DeleteMy take on KHuang-Solidz-Etane banters, it was sorta funny in the beginning.. until it became a posting habit that got sickening. It's like a joke that was told countless times, it's not funny anymore and became beyond irritating.
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Deletevia, are you leaving? please don't leave :( You meant so much for all of us here. Remember chan c, wilc, isabelijane, MXMoua, Rose and many others.
DeleteOr at least give it one week so you won't make rash decision. Would you consider it?
is etane banned, too? perhaps I shouldn't have said anything.
Even if they don't believe me, I consider them my friends although etane is upset with me at the moment. I talked to them for a long time and as a good friend, I thought I should not only talk about good things but be brave enough to talk about the not-so-good things. Clearly, it didn't work out well :{
To show solidarity, I will not post for at least a week.
I wish they could be back someday even if they don't trust me now. :(
Dave T, thanks for your encouragement. It meant a lot to me.
When can we expect of training camp videos? This weekend, no?
ReplyDeleteI believe thing will getting more serious next week. you will see videos of media days on Friday tho..
DeleteHey Brent, if my memory serves me right, around this time last year, videos of the training camp start to show up. Wish we can get different sources than CF this time
DeleteOfficially, it starts on Sat....... Just few more days..
DeleteJLin back to Houston, I guess,
ReplyDeleteanother pic
that second picture looks so fake
DeleteLakers' house is in shambles. Jeanie and jim buss going at each other publicly. jlin should come and rescue the team. Besides lebron or wade, i dont see another player who can make a bigger impact for the team in
ReplyDelete2014.
wild unrealistic fantasy that would end in utter disaster:
Deletelet a bunch of rich Lin fans buy into the NBA as the reborn Seattle Supersonics, then pry Lin off Houston and let Lin run the team.
Thats even wilder.
DeleteThat franchise is going down the tubes. That was already apparent when Jim Buss hired D'Antoni to snub his sister Jeannie, who is Phil Jackson's fiance. That was more family politics than basketball reasons.
DeleteThe Chinese saying that wealth is not passed on past three generations comes to mind. But in this case, basketball decision-making will not even make it past one generation.
Or, if it wasn't a snub to his sister, it was an attempt to step out of his father's shadow, which was partly associated with Phil Jackson. Still, that's family politics.
DeleteAs long as Kobe Bryant is around, Lin cannot rescue the Lakers.
DeleteFans of Lin incensed with Carmelo Anthony and James Harden would be pining for the halcyon Knick and Rockets days once they started seeing Kobe screaming at Lin every day.
( Sigh ) I miss a lot of news again.
ReplyDeleteIt's nice to see Mike D'antoni at LINSANITY premiere.
JASON FRIEDMAN interview with Jeremy was interesting. I like it.
It's nice to know Jason haven't yet changed his picture profile on his twitter. It's still James & Jeremy's back.
ReplyDeleteJeremy Lin Must Move Past Linsanity 'Shadow''
Another insane report from a guy who doesnt know basketball and numbers at all! sigh!
Wonder do this guys a re mushrooming from?
As soon as I clicked on your link and saw it was Bleacher Report, I got off that site before the page even fully loaded.
DeleteBleacherreport is anti Lin and VERY anti Lin fan.
The basketball analysis on bleacherreport is terrible, and not just for Lin.
@KHuang You know that there are some good writers were added to Bleacher Report recently, Kevin Ding from Lakers, Jared Zwerling and Howard Beck from New York are new additions. So in the future, one might need to check the writers first. I do like all three of them, so was happy that BR are trying to change their reputation.
DeleteOk TN4, I yield.
DeleteI will look.
This summer's awful Bleacherreporting really soured me on the site.
After 2 years of virulent anti Lin propaganda that painted a totally erroneous picture of him, I can't help but be reflexively dismissive of that site.
But since you have alerted me, I will start reading again.
Howard Beck is great. Surprised he went to BR but the owner is trying to turn that site around.
DeleteWell, I did read that article.
DeleteThat's as hater an article as I've ever read on bleacherreport, just like my instincts told me it would be.
Until bleacherreport stops trashing Lin and starts looking at him more realistically, I'm still not going to look at that site.
I'll wait for you guys to show me genuine unbiased articles that look at both the goods and bads of Lins in a proper light. Until then, no bleacherreport for me.
ReplyDeleteTop 100 players of 2014
Just for your reading, from Sports Illustrated....
Jeremy has put many of these top 100 players into shame. He virtually outplayed many of them in the last season. This list is a kind of joke.
ReplyDeleteI am surprised Solidaz was banned，IMHO，he should not be banned.
ReplyDeleteAre you kidding? He was an absolute terror and completely disrespectful. He turned this site from PG to NC-17. I bet you'll get alot more participation from many other people now that he is gone. Ding dong the witch is dead!
DeleteAmen. I stopped coming to this site after certain infantile posters totally took over with their vicious drivels. So glad Jlinfan#1 finally put his foot down.
Delete"I bet you'll get alot more participation from many other people now that he is gone."
Delete- I don't see how Solidz could have stopped them from participation, unless they are afraid to be called out for posting opinions they cannot defend? Surely someone will not abandon their stance simply bcos others are not being nice.
Conversely, I can see posters with opinions deviating from the official and approved view here who will now refrain from expressing themselves, for fear of being labeled LOH, or a troublemaker for going against the grain.
Solidz can be as annoying as a thick piece of sh*t but lets not forget that he is a hardcore, true-blue, huge fan of Lin's. We are here to show our support and love for Lin and Solidz did contribute a lot more than some of us ( including me )here. Indeed he's foolish to challenge the MOD and he had been very rude to a lot of us here but we can't discount all that he had and would bring this forum. Lets hope a nicer, well mannered Solidz returns to this board.
DeleteSolidz is probably 20-30 years old. He is a HUGE Lin fan. He expresses himself poorly online sometimes. But he really is one the biggest Lin fans on the planet. This kid took videos of Lin being yelled at by Mchale and posted it online championing Lin's cause. Oh well...
DeleteHe was asking Qs today :p
DeleteJonathan Feigen @Jonathan_Feigen 6h
Not at all, but I didn't ask that. MT @solidz75 @Jonathan_Feigen Was Mchale implying that starting PG position is essentially up for grabs?
The way NBA training camp works is that ALL starting positions are "up for grabs".
DeleteWhile it's a high likelihood that starters remain starters, the reality is that players get shuffled in and out of the lineup based on how coaches perceive their impact on the team.
I think it would be a shame if Lin were benched. I also don't think Lin would just sit there and take it.
Lin bashed his way into NBA rotations by leaving a graveyard of allegedly superior players behind him. If anything, Lin's BETTER at that this season and also faces significantly less competition this year (faced Toney Douglas and Shawn Livingston last year).
Touting and mocking the owner of the site wasn’t a smart thing for him to do. However, I would love to see him back too if no more character attack on others or using foul (tough, according to him) language.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately the character attacks and foul language is part of who solidz is. What comes out of a man's mouth (or keyboard in this instance) is a reflection of what is in a man's heart. Asking solidz not to attack others is like asking a fish to stop swimming. Banning him is the best thing that could have happened to this site.
DeleteAlthough I often enjoyed Solidz's posts, there is a thin line between his wittiness and being totally disrespectful in his language and often times personal attacks. In a family forum like this who are fans of Jeremy, those attacks shouldn't be tolerated since some of the posters could be children
DeleteHaving said that, I did respect his basketball knowledge and like Tiger, wouldn't mind to see him back if there were no personal attacks and foul language. If that is something he just can't do then it's probably best he doesn't come back.
You all need to chill and stop acting righteous, sickening.
DeleteHe is been banned. I don think we should talk bad about him. He did provide some good discussion (and some bad). Just forget it.
DeleteAtomic, you're constantly flaming this forum.
DeleteHow about you show some minimal respect for a player that you have no respect for?
that "player" being Lin.
Deletelooking forward to the day Atomic gets banned. I'm giving props to the mod in advance for that..
DeleteJust read McHale's new interview and wow, he's just really not a fan of Jeremy. Not only does Jeremy have to battle the opposing PG, but his own coach, as well.
ReplyDeleteLink?
Deletehttp://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rockets/article/While-playing-to-Howard-s-strengths-McHale-still-4840981.php?t=7a029e2ef8cba496f0
DeleteThat was not so bad. What is the problem?
DeleteA lot of times is about what ones don't say to know what's in the mind.
DeleteIn the Lin question, McHale said Lin had a good year as a starting rookie PG or great year if he didn't have a magical Linsanity. He'll fit in well and get pushed for time for other PGs. Fair enough but certainly doesn't reflect someone who believes Lin has potential to grow with his 38pts Spurs and 29pts OKC outburst.
But the second question about the playoff is more telling because he didn't mention Lin at all (even DMo and TJ got thrown in there):
Our goal is to try to get home court (advantage) in the playoffs, make a playoff run. The nice thing about it is you have Chandler (Parsons) back and James (Harden) back, O back, Patrick.We have a lot of guys. TJ, D-Mo have been around. I think the familiarity of them being with us is going to help us. We have a lot of new pieces, too, so we'll see.
It's nothing new about McHale. He still needs to be impressed that Lin can excel in his role next to Harden. A few ESPN-highlights of Lin alley-oops with Dwight might show him what Lin has that Bev doesn't have.
It's interesting to contrast the overall tone in Jason Friedman's articles with McHale's answers.
DeleteOne has been consistently bringing up Lin's impressive feat for hitting threes above 0.400 for 3 months in multiple articles, enough to suspect one is a closet LOF.
The other one has been consistently downplaying Linsanity as a magical fluke, he's a fine PG without highlighting any positives for Lin as a crucial piece in the team. Just one of the guys whose time will get pushed by other players.
Guess which one is the Lin believer and the Lin unbeliever?
Thanks for the link, TVN and Caleb Ho.
DeleteI didn't think McHale was overly critical of Lin in the article.
What did disappoint me was that McHale is going to run the same offense as last year. On the other hand, that means that Lin doesn't have to learn yet another new system.
No matter what McHale says, Lin will be needed by the Rockets more this season. This veteran team will be relying on Lin to make sure that everybody on the team gets their chances.
That also means that the double teams on Lin won't stop. Choking Lin off chokes off the rest of the team, as Harden won't give up the ball even with Howard on the floor.
McHale ommits JLin, Dhoward, and Asik as Houston's playoff weapons. This is telling when you read between the lines of what he says during the interview.
DeleteDHoward wasn't mentioned b/c:
A. We've got to fit in the new guys. We got Dwight. We have to fit him in. We have a different team than we had last year. We're trying to get roles... I'm excited about the changes we made. I think we have a good opportunity to get better. That's what it's all about. I'm looking forward to working with Dwight, but there's a lot of unknowns right now.
Asik wasn't either b/c:
I have not [had a chance to see how Omer feels about the addition of Dwight] and am not [concerned about how he reacts to all this]. He's a player. His job is to come in and play. I haven't had an opportunity to talk with him about all that, but Daryl (Morey's) job is to try to improve the team. Omer's job is not to wonder how that affects him. His job is to figure out how they can play together and be effective.
and about JLin:
He fits well. He can play....If Jeremy hadn't had that month in New York and everybody had just seen Jeremy for truly what he is...He's going to get pushed for time with AB (Aaron Brooks) and Pat and Isaiah Canaan. I was with him a couple weeks ago. We worked out together and spent some time. He's in great shape. He's ready to go.
My take, based on what what our fav coach said
I feel it's too much of a coincidence that all three were omitted.
DeleteWhat are your thoughts?
He just did not change his position on Lin, that's all. He is a doubter, he will change only if Lin do better (in McHale's standard of course). This article is really not that bad.
DeleteWow. His answers are pretty disappointing to me. Jeremy went from being brought to Houston to be the face of the franchise to needing to fight for his minutes against other rookie PGs.
DeleteJeremy is a player who's play depends a lot on how confident he is feeling. He admits this himself. How can he play effectively when he constantly has to worry about making mistakes and having his minutes taken away.
For those that remember last year, often times in the first quarter at the 5 minute mark he would be subbed out when he made the smallest mistake. This is not the way to develop your starting point guard.
On one hand I am pretty excited that Jeremy gets to be on a team that has the chance of making it to the championships. On the other hand, it is disappointing to me that the coach really doesn't appreciate what they have in Jeremy.
These are the prime years for Jeremy and it is disappointing that he is on a team where the coach is constantly pulling him back and asking him to do less instead of helping him reach his fullest potential.
I'm not worried about Lin at all.
DeleteHe'll make the best of training camp and pick up right where he left off with last season's Linsanity level 3 months.
When Lin catches that ball anywhere on the court, it's going to be a one man fast break.
I agree, I do not doubt that Lin will beat all other 3 PGs in the training camp. Even if he did not, he is a legit starting PGs for any NBA team.
DeleteI'll start to worry when Howard wants a special one-on-one session with the other PGs and Hakeem starts complimenting Bev's post-up skills :}
DeleteMy gosh, the sensitivity is off the charts. Of course McHale isn't going to mention Lin, he was virtually a nonfactor in the playoffs.
DeleteYou all like to harp on Lin being a young developing guard. So when he's treated like a young rookie starting PG in the league by Mchale you all start trippin.
DeleteHow is McHale going to talk about Lin and the playoffs, or gauge where he's going to be in the playoffs, when he did nada.
DeleteMaybe, just maybe, Lin can earn some playoff cookie points from McHale during the offseason and practice.
DeleteAtomic, yep, but keeping silent is just as boring as watching those threads with personal attacks. Just having fun.
DeleteAtomic, It's not about Lin 'doing nada' during playoffs. I can accept the coach not mentioning Lin because he's done that all last season. Maybe even DHoward since he's not sure how he plays for Rockets yet. But Asik too? C'mon. That's just strange for a coach to avoid mentioning 3 of the better players on the team.
DeleteObviously the Mchale's actions, game planning, etc. are going to speak louder than this interview.
Seriously what are you talking about. I see nothing about O and Howard you're talking about in the Mchale interview. If dragging O and Howard into mix makes you feel better about Lin's situation then so be it.
DeleteI'm ok if you disagree with my opinions but you avoided my question. My opinion is Lin, Omer, and Howard are not in Mchales' good graces at the moment. Has nothing to do with what makes me feel better. My interpretation might be subjective. The facts are not. Quotes are verbatim from the article:
Deletehoward is q & a #1.
Omer: #6 - 7.
Caleb, Asik was actually in the comment of players being back ("O back"). Howard is a new player so not quite relevant in the list of players McHale listed as being back.
DeleteLin might not be there because he just gave a long answer about Lin.
But what's consistent is people (including McHale) who fails to see what made Lin great in NY as the playmaker will focus that Lin just needs to play his reduced role in Houston next to Harden.
Which is a crazy approach because Houston can get more out of Lin and Harden by maximizing their strength (Lin's playmaking and Harden's scoring)
It's not a difficult concept but people who can't see Lin's strength as a player just looks for confirmation bias that Lin is just an average player who found magic sprinkles in NY.
If Houston is not careful to optimize Lin's strength, he will blossom into an All-Star somewhere else. He's been working on his weaknesses (TO, defense, ballhandling, shooting) and I guess we'll see how he plays soon.
What's with this "you all", Atomic?
DeleteThere are several Lin fans like myself that have no problem with with McHale said.
You trying to flame us Lin fans wt again?
Psalm234 great observation! I've been following Jeremy and reading this site for a year now and I think I've read most of every articles, posts, and tweets on Jlin and what you say about Jason is true. The guy plays both sides but my hunch tells me he leans more on the nonbeliever which is fine with me but it pisses and drives me nuts because when he interviews Jlin and writes his article it comes off like a believer. Thus I stop following him on twitter lol.
DeleteFair enough psalm. You're right about O and I see where you're coming from about Howard. I also think you were right earlier, when you said what people don't say can be as telling as what they do.
DeleteI think at this point we just want to see how Lin performs on court and handles things that come his way this year. Here's to hoping for a good year.
great mind thinks alike, @just a girl :]
DeleteI think JCF, Parsons and Lin get along quite well because their sense of humor is kind of the same and their personality clicks. Not saying their best buddies but they can be OK friends in real life.
true, @Caleb. All critics and fans agree that Lin needs to come out strong and confident in the first 10-20 games. Let's hope he can persuade the rest of the Big 4 to sacrifice individual feats for the team and play team ball.
Winning will cure many doubts and ill-wills.
Feigen on why McHale "mentions everyone except for Lin when responding to last q."
DeleteWHERE WAS LIN AND DWIGHT?
Was McHale implying that starting PG position is essentially up for grabs?
Oh, and apparently, the banned "not-nice troublemaker/ troll" continues to care about JLin, enough to pro-actively go for pertinent info the way a pragmatist would, and not just...angst or play to crowd like some.
I blame Lin's professional team for not looking out for Lin's best when he was a Free Agent. Lin is just a young guy listening to his advisers, agents, and lawyers. I have a feeling his legal team/agents screwed up and misread the situation. It's clear their intent was to resign in NYC, not end up in horrible Houston.
DeleteSomebody on Lin's team royally screwed up communications to the point it ended up like this, that Lin is stuck in a bad spot playing for a team where apparently only the owner wanted him and nobody else.
If Lin's team knew all this, they are a bunch of idiots for putting Lin in this horrible position unless Lin's stated objective was to get max money - in that case I guess they did their job to a T.
Every sports agent is trying to get the maximum contract for their client. Because they get a % slice of that pie. They were probably thinking NY would match, or that Lin will be a big star in China because of the Rockets brand name. His agent isn't going to earn much if Lin gets a minimum contract, non guaranteed with the Knicks.
DeleteThe dynamic of an owner getting a player who his team doesn't want happens ALL THE TIME in pro basketball.
DeleteLin first experienced it in Golden State where Joe Lacob correctly recognized Lin as a legitimate NBA talent but was overruled by his front office and coaches. As it turns out, Lacob was right and his employees were totally wrong (you too, Jerry West!!!)
Owners in pro basketball have the final say on building rosters, but they generally step back when it comes to letting their coaches and general managers run the daily operations.
I still think that Les Alexander wants Lin as a Rocket. Les Alexander has a history of jettisoning anybody who doesn't adhere to his wishes, including people like Rick Adelman or Kevin Martin or Kyle Lowry.
As long as Les Alexander approves of Lin, a Rocket he shall stay. That doesn't make Lin's life any easier, though.
Lin's answer on respect and trust in a team as a result of bonding opportunity with Howard shows his mindset on the importance of building strong trust and respect with all players but especially the Big 4.
ReplyDeleteI'll be curious how much respect and trust Harden will have with Howard, Lin and Parsons. He can't be lackadaisical in defense (as Sampson called out), trust his teammates to not stop ball movement, perhaps sacrifice his scoring and assists a bit. Harden is the Big X Factor now.
What will Harden do?
JCF: Well jokes aside, I assume the biggest thing that came out of that week was just the bonding opportunity you guys had.
JL: Absolutely. I think the initial step is just respect. Watching the way he works and him watching the way I work, and being able to put that together is huge. And for us to take time out of our schedules to do something like that, it just builds friendship, it builds respect for each other, and then I think the byproduct of that is trust, and when you talk about being a good team I think it’s all about trust. I think the teams that trust their coaches, that trust their players, that trust that their help-side will be there, I think those are the best defensive teams and those are the best teams in general. So hopefully we took a big step toward that.
Lin sounds more like the Rockets head coach than the Rockets head coach does.
DeleteNo wonder Lin is threatening to the coaching staff.
I won't be surprised if that's the case. That's why Lin needed to assure his coaches that he wants teams that trust their coaches in the same statement :]
DeleteI think things are going to be different now that the offense will be focused around Howard. Howard/Lin seem to have the same mindset on things and they seem to have some things in common. I also think that Lin is Howard's insurance policy just in case Harden wants to act up. Lin is the only other playmaker on the team. I think Harden will try to be a team player in the beginning, but when his stats starts to sufffer, then all bets are off. I actually think that Lin is sitting pretty good right now. I think he will do well in the upcoming season, and I think that if he is tradeded it will be to the Lakers. I don't think it's coincidence that Lin worked out at the Lakers facility recently. I think Nash/Dantoni are trying to recruit Lin. Dantoni/Nash knows exactly what Lin brings to the table, even if McFool is too stubborn to see. Also we will see how Beverly holds out this year once the teams start scouting him. That injury that he may have or not have caused to Westbrook, is like a big traget on his back. Some of the Houston Fans who want Beverly to start triuly have not watched the games. They seem to just jump on the bandwagon to crticiize Lin. Also it is a true testament to how good Lin really is, when Akeem commented that the little he saw between Lin/Howard will be deadly, and Akeem doesn't hand out compliments if he doesn't mean them. He is very straightfoward, and pull no punches in what he thinks of players. Call me delusional, but i think having Howard on the team will be an asset to lin both on and off the court.
DeleteI want to point out that Hakeem's comments meant nothing to me because those are just media works. We do not know the reason why he said it. However, you are right about that things are gonna be different now.
DeleteAlso, I wanna say with all this basing on Lin about last season. He actually had a good season IMO. Of course it could be better if situations were different. I do not think Rox will change their way of handling Lin, but I believe Lin is better-prepared for those shXt this time.
Everyone is talking about this is a make or break season for Lin, while it is generally true, it is more so to DH12. This season is about who is the man for Rox, Harden or DH12. Lin and Parsons will be never in that kind of talk, and it is ok for now IMO.
Once Lin completes his game overall, I don see too many current PGs can outshine him in the future.
We can diagree on what Akeem said. I said that based on what he said about Howard when he first started working with him. Akeem said something to the effect of Howard has been in the league for 10 years, and he really didn't have any low post moves, and I also I base on things that he said about Melo, Tyson Chandler and Stoudamiere games. They were not all glowing reports. Also the people that I know that are from Akeems culture are very blunt and straightforward. You can argue he might be playing to the press, he might be, as for me, i don't think so. Who knows perhaps the reason he said it, is because he meant it. You see i subcribe to the half full glass theory, not the the half empty. Also, i believe that interview that Mchale gave was him just trying to show whose boss, but in actuality it is the star players are the boss. If Howard doesn't like what McHale is doing this season, then guess whose leaving, not Howard.So I agree this is a ride or die season for Howard, so he is going to use whatever weaposn he has to his advantage to win, and if lin is the answer, then that is how McHale is going to play it. So that interview he gave today, i take it with a grain of salt.
DeleteThat's fair, like I said, I do not know the reason either, it could be just like what you said. While I was talking about Rox players, their pressure to perform. McHale is under big pressure too. He can hide behind Lin's so-called bad performance last yr. Not the case this yr for him. No matter how great he was as a player, anything less than 50 wins this season will be considered as a failure to him, DH12, Harden and Lin (of course).
Deletegood point, awarde. I agree 100% Howard is the boss.
DeleteLin is his insurance policy if Howard goes Kobe on him.
Dwight wants so bad to prove so many people wrong this season.
"that trust that their help-side will be there, I think those are the best defensive teams and those are the best teams in general."
Deletehis comment about "help-side" and "defensive teams" came out of nowhere. i think the way guys played defense (or not) last year really bothers him.
Blake's post got me thinking about something:
DeleteLin, in my eyes, has done a masterful job of PREPPING HIS TEAMMATES in the media.
If Lin were "devious" the way some people have described me (a description of myself that I don't disagree with), I'd be saying that he's learning how to effectively manipulate and put pressure on his teammates.
But the truth likely is that Lin is just such a team first guy that he just can't help encouraging his teammates to play the right way by being accountable to each other.
interesting article. Guy is at Sloan MIT same as Morey. Wonder if they are interpreting the stats the same
ReplyDeletehttp://rockets.clutchfans.net/4841/jeremy-lin-big-test/
yes, nice read indeed.
DeleteReally do not want to click it because it is from clutchfans....lol thanks tho...
Delete@brent yen. I feel ya.
DeleteYou guys should read it. It has a lot of good information, especially the stats side of how Lin can be compared to other players.
DeleteBasically this upcoming season for Lin will be VERY important, it's really no way around it.
this article is fair and he makes good use of stats to back up his points on both Lin's offensive and defensive game. but not enough mention about how he had to play out of position, how much beating and charges he takes for the team, how much energy he exerts helping out on defense, and how he has to overcome unfair treatment from the coaches. if Lin hadn't played this support role last year, his numbers both on the offensive and defensive end would be significantly higher
DeleteI saw too many articles seemingly got stats to back itself up. The problem is, stats are all conditional, without knowing the situations, the same stats can be interpreted in completely opposite directions.
DeleteJeremy Lin is the real deal and seems to have luck on his side because he works hard and is prepared unlike most people when an opportunity arises.
DeleteLin needs a team to take a chance on him. It's not going to be Houston. But if Lin is going to do what I think he's going to do, he's going to help Houston actually win a championship and look like the MVP of a few important games. Then he can bail on these Rockets and hopefully run to some other team that actually wants him for his on court talent and uses him more properly.
Article said Lin doesn't have a single elite skill -- blind to Lin's elite first step. It is hard to overvalue what penetration ability means for a team. Also, not all assists are created equal: the ones that set up teammates near the rim are tops, and Lin does that extremely well, one of the best in the league.
DeleteBringing up Lin's PER last season was also straight silly. Show me a single guard with both Lin's usage rate last year and high PER.
Any article, would not be perfect to our likings. Thee might be some errors as well. But overall, I trust the article was not biased.
DeleteBut but, sometimes, we tend to take out of context. Occupatio0, we have to see the who content and context of the para.
The writer's point was Jlin is a contributor to championship. ANd a contributor need not (or necessary) to be elite. He also started well, saying there is "NO" glaring hole in his game. That speaks volume.
And he ended well, saying Rox need to squeeze every single performance of the PG. Meaning, full utilize him and not running as they did last year as a spot up shooter.
Again...that was my understanding, reading the article.
quote:-
While there is no glaring hole in Lin’s game, he also doesn’t have an elite skill either. He’s an above average passer and defender that runs the pick-and-roll well, but he’s a below average shooter, ball handler and creator of his own offense. When you add it all up and stack him up against a league that’s full of quality point guards, you get a player whose PER output (14.9) is below average for his position (16.2) and puts him just outside the league’s top 30 playmakers. While the PER stat isn’t loved by all, other advanced stats tell a similar story: he didn’t make the top 15 of a recent WARP-based projection of the NBA’s top point guards and he ranks 27th among point guards in both Value Added and Estimated Wins Added. Championship-winning teams do not have to be elite at every position, but with only two All-Stars, the Rockets need to squeeze every drop of performance out of their point guard spot if they are serious about contention.
endquote
When I see articles bashing Lin for not doing enough statistically, I think of this particular Larry Bird anecdote:
DeleteWhen Bird was in college playing Notre Dame, he was TRIPLE TEAMED off the ball.
Bird, instead of fighting through the triples, decided to hang out on the perimeter. Bird said that it was as if Notre Dame had only 2 defenders on the court after he siphoned 3 defenders away. The result was that his ISU team blew out Notre Dame even Bird "only" scored 4 points and was this "shut down".
Plenty of times, we all saw Lin being zoned and trapped. He either exploited those defenses or let guys like James Harden and Chandler Parsons go nuts against single or zero coverage, especially early in the season.
Just because Lin isn't touching the ball on a given play doesn't mean that he's not having a positive offensive impact. No stat other than that of the WIN COLUMN will ever indicate Lin's proficiency in that aspect of the game.
Linsanity Flash Mob in UB
ReplyDeleteJLin tweeted about this:
DeleteJeremy Lin (@JLin7)
9/25/13, 9:21 PM
S/o to university at buffalo!! Made my day with this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxZTSId9nRY
He really inspires the youth. :)
DeleteHey guys.. anyone here knows who is Jeremy's favorite teammate ? ( on the ROCKETS ) was this questions ask to him b4 ? B'coz when JAMES HARDEN & D' ROSE was here in the Philippines that question was ask to them.
ReplyDeletewhat was harden's reply?
ReplyDeleteChandler Parsons......It was during 24 seconds Q & A.
DeleteI hope Jeremy will be ask with same question......here in the Philippines.....
Etane got banned too? Banning Etane and Solidz are ludicrous and idiotic.
ReplyDeleteyou should be banned too.
DeleteYou're next to be banned, Atomic...
DeleteTo be honest I am kinda of bummed that Solidz and Etane were banned . They gave different perspectives on this forum, although the name-calling/swearing etc was bad because kids may have viewed the forum. They both were huge fans of Lin.
DeleteI'll just say there are other people who have done the same, but they didn't get the "hammer". Of course the owner of the site can do whatever he wishes.
Agree with. Hope everyone with the same opinion speaks out for Solidz！
ReplyDeleteThe NBA Central @TheNBACentral
ReplyDeleteThe Houston Rockets will not start Omer Asik, will likely trade him.
How do they know?
DeleteRegarding this tweet, I don't know if there's too much assuming around or some writer has myopic views on Rockets management and decided to put it up on Twitter.
DeleteNo surprises here.
DeleteEver since Howard was signed, Les Alexander has been trying to trade Omer Asik and Lin.
However, that doesn't necessarily mean that Les Alexander dislikes either player's game.
The NBA is filled with players who were rumored to be traded or even are traded and then ended up returning to the team. With this particular Houston franchise, look no further than Aaron Brooks to see a guy that was dumped, reacquired, and then signed this season!
So Lin and Asik will probably remain on the trading block while playing their NBA rotation minutes and collecting their Rockets paychecks.