Awesome. Mid-Sept training camp interviews before you know it ...
BTW, 1st is the worst. Just saying. Etane said so. lol
Tried to change it up ... fail.
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Occupati0/Etane ... on your nice discussion in last thread, I saw the PPat comment too and also, I noticed once PPat started hitting his mid-range jumpers, Lin did some also. PPat did them from the side, inside the 3 line whenever he had the chance. Lin did it from the knee in. Coaching seemed to let it go a bit and I thought it was effective, and would open the game up for Lin. Didn't pan out to a tool in the kit, though. In GSW vs Nuggets playoffs, I marveled at how GSW used the midrange to stay in contact through some v tough catchups. Or, in downspurts when Nuggets were ahead, GSW used midrange to claw back. I believe the Live by 3, Fall by 3 is risky, and we saw that with the lousy end of the season. You risk getting team spirit crushed by widening gaps or gaps taht won't close.
I think the biggest problem for the idea of "live by 3, fall by 3" is the assumption that the intensity of contesting shot is uniformly distributed from rim to 3pt distances. You have to attack according to what defense gives you. There will be times that a long 2 will score more statistically than a 3pt.
So yeah, spreadsheet theory only gets you so far. I think in sports where you get lots of stop in action, you can paper strategize more. Baseball, football. In live action, what you said Brent and a lot of other motion / people dynamics rule.
Taking more 3's usually means missing more 3's overall. A missed 3-pointer leads to a long rebound and a possible fast break basket for the other team.Teams that shoot more than average number of 3's, usually give up more points on defense.
Thanks joe waiting for someone who was watching the games with us here to back me up on that one.
0ccupati0 August 6, 2013 at 7:13 PM"Purely anecdotal, but there was a fan at a game who sat next to Morey and he said 'Don't give him the ball!' when he saw Asik fed the ball in the paint. What that comment tells me is that McHale and Morey did not see totally eye to eye in regards to whether Asik should be primed as a top offensive option. And we know McHale tried many times to feed Asik and develop him into a post player. It's a little anecdote that may not be representative of Morey's overall view of how Asik should be used/developed, but it may indicate that indeed Morey doesn't have that much sway over how individual players are used."Again, if you watched the games, you'd notice that no one were "plowing the ball" into Asik until Jeremy started to. Jeremy garnered ire because Asik kept fumbling the passes. But, to Jeremy's credit, Jeremy never stopped plowing the ball to Asik. And, Asik started to bloom as an offensive player. Not only did he start to play with more confidence but also became a stronger offensive player. Before, even when he did catch a pass, he didn't know what to do with it. He'd bring the ball down after catching the ball before putting up a weak layup. After a while, Asik developed a catch and dunk. And, this is totally Jeremy's credit to get Asik involved in the offense. Also, thought McHell (was forced to) finally started working Asik on offense hence Asik in developing his catch and dunk.
occupati0, I remember how astonished we were in the game thread when Lin started games shooting 2-3 midrange jumpers to make defense come out of the paint. The reason was because Lin got pulled and admonished by McHale in the sideline for making a midrange jumper in the previous games.Man, Lin set up PPat so well with the midrange game before Morey shipped the midrange game to the Kings! I wish they could bring back PPat because his automatic midrange game is perfect for the PF position. He's no star but he and Lin will help keep the defense honest by not packing the paint.I remember McHale got upset by Morey's move but he opted to say nothing to the reporters after the trade. This will be Morey's undoing if he doesn't implement any kind of midrange game. Bring back PPat!
Yes the team was much stronger and more balanced before the PPAT and MM trade. True Rox were weak in the PF position in terms of rebounds. But, Rox had balanced attack with PPAT and MM. What they got in return was die by the 3. McHell could've just utilized GS and TJ more in the post when the need called for more bigs down low. But, he's too dumb to do so and left those two on the bench to rust.
Etane said, "Again, if you watched the games, you'd notice that no one were "plowing the ball" into Asik until Jeremy started to. Jeremy garnered ire because Asik kept fumbling the passes. But, to Jeremy's credit, Jeremy never stopped plowing the ball to Asik.I would distinguish between Lin feeding Asik from PnR and via dribble drive penetration versus Lin feeding Asik in the post. I don't see how any coaching staff would take issue with the first scenario of feeding Asik while rolling or feeding him after driving into the paint.What sucked is how reluctant/uninvolved the Rockets big men were in setting screens for Lin, even when he asked for screens. Yeah Patterson had a very good midrange jumper but he was awful at setting screens even when he was willing; he slipped the screen before even setting it properly so he could get his pick and pop opportunities. But Patterson and Asik always set screens for Harden, often even without Harden signalling them to do it.Yet, Morey said Lin was 5th best player in the league in running PnR. Now, if Morey really has influence over McHale and Morey's stats indicate Lin is very good at the PnR, why did Lin not get more PnR opportunities as the season went on? Why didn't he get the coaching staff to get more screens set for Lin. Don't say it is because Harden is a better PnR player; even if we accept that is true, a good team nevertheless needs multiple points of attack, especially when Harden is guarded by the opposing team's best defender. But Asik in the post -- yeah he got better at it, but it was still bad. Lin fed him a lot in the post. I always assumed that McHale supported developing Asik bc of his reputation as a big man's coach.
psalm234, "Lin got pulled and admonished by McHale in the sideline for making a midrange jumper in the previous games."This interpretation may be true, it is even plausible, but all that you and all of us are seeing is Lin shoot a jumper and then McHale saying something to him, admonishing him or whatever. How do we know it was for taking a 'midrange' jumper? McHale has all types of bones to pick with Lin, everything from 'dribbling too much' to not being named Harden. Who can say what that McHale-Lin conversation was about?
*lin shoots and scores 2 points"McHell to Lin: "stopp turning the ball over!"
"I would distinguish between Lin feeding Asik from PnR and via dribble drive penetration versus Lin feeding Asik in the post. I don't see how any coaching staff would take issue with the first scenario of feeding Asik while rolling or feeding him after driving into the paint."welcome to bizarro world.
"What sucked is how reluctant/uninvolved the Rockets big men were in setting screens for Lin, even when he asked for screens. Yeah Patterson had a very good midrange jumper but he was awful at setting screens even when he was willing; he slipped the screen before even setting it properly so he could get his pick and pop opportunities. But Patterson and Asik always set screens for Harden, often even without Harden signalling them to do it."if you watched the first two games of the season, lin got plenty of good quality picks. going forward, only harden got good picks. so, it's n to about ability but about willingness.
"Yet, Morey said Lin was 5th best player in the league in running PnR. Now, if Morey really has influence over McHale and Morey's stats indicate Lin is very good at the PnR, why did Lin not get more PnR opportunities as the season went on? Why didn't he get the coaching staff to get more screens set for Lin."action speaks louder than words."Don't say it is because Harden is a better PnR player; even if we accept that is true, a good team nevertheless needs multiple points of attack, especially when Harden is guarded by the opposing team's best defender."again, welcome to bizarro world.
Indeed, I would call Lin's situation more of a 'bizarro world' than one orchestrated by Morey to marginalize Lin, as some of you think. It is easier to imagine how an organization _intentionally_ does something to a player, which is what the world-against-Lin conspiracy theory rests on. Closer to the truth, even though it is harder to comprehend, is how an organization screws things up because the various members (Morey, McHale, Sampson, etc) have different emphases and goals, don't communicate on everything, turn a blind eye to others' mistakes because it doesn't affect your own job security and reputation and career ascent, and keeping on good terms with everyone, especially in public, even if you think they are incompetent. This is how most companies and organizations are like.McHale does some stupid things, and it is not Morey's place to say something about it even privately; nor does Morey necessarily believe that coaches have a huge impact on the overall win-loss record of a young team.All the theories about Morey keeping Lin down really assume a level of communication and coordination between the front office and the coaching staff that I doubt exists.
we may never know exactly what McHale said to "shape" Lin. I'm sure it's something along the line of moving the ball and not becoming Linsanity. It was just so striking to us when watching how coaches allowed midrange jumpers in the first few possessions to start the game for a while.There is one quite good article using Vorped's shot chart showing the % of HOU shots:Grading Kevin McHale's Job as Houston Rockets Coach This Season. Only 20% are midrange jumpers.Vorped is really nice to play with. You can even see the inefficiency of midrange jumpers with PTS/Shot that Morey has been preaching. Who knows how much better it is with PPat still on board?3-ball and rim shots are great in theory and when they work well but not practicing midrange game as the backup is just foolish.
In interviews, McHale has never paid lip service to the value of advanced stats. He strikes me as someone who really trusts his own eye test, and given his remarkable career, why wouldn't he be ultra confident in his own judgment? (Just like how Jordan thinks he can manage a team and judge talent. A Hall of Famer has every reason to think he's right about basketball.) The whole idea that Morey and McHale are on the same page is a weird assumption.
psalm234 said, "3-ball and rim shots are great in theory and when they work well but not practicing midrange game as the backup is just foolish."I hear people talking about 'Moreyball' and its emphasis on 3s and layups like it's some ingenious idea, and that defenses will give that to you for free like stealing from a baby. The idea is nothing original; it's just that Morey found the personnel to do it: Harden is a good perimeter shooter and great at layups in transition and getting to the FT line. Look at Thibs defense, which was hugely influential. He places high priority in preventing the corner 3 by having defenders chase the shooter off the perimeter and conceding a midrange; he also asks that the player defending the roll man drop down to the foul line to prevent the drive and concede the midrange. You need midrange to open up a defense like that.I'm so tired of hearing about the Moreyball 3s and layups like it's some genius idea.
McHale and Morey definitely are not 100% on the same page but of course McHale won't go rogue on Morey's advanced stats like Adelman did and got disposed. They found a good balance to work together as they had team meetings to halt the losing streak in January. I'm sure Morey's team prepared the 18-20 defensive/offensive key points that helped with the subsequent winning streak.Each of them just differed in how they undermined Lin's role ("Harden needs all minutes to be an All Star" & "No Linsanity for a young PG") but I don't believe there was intentional conspiracy or collusion to sabotage Lin.
3-ball and rim shots are not novel ideas but Morey just took it to the extreme by trying to eliminate midrange game, which would be his downfall.
I don't know the details about Adelman's leaving. Obviously they had different ideas about what the team should do. It's a bit too convenient to frame it as a difference of outlook on advanced stats; one can simply describe it as not being in agreement, and leave it there. (Why does every thing Morey does have to be framed in terms of 'advanced stats'? Even when he farts and it's somehow related to advanced stats.) Anyway, I see what you're saying. Certainly Morey and McHale have wto ork out being part of the same team even if individually they see some things differently.Can you elaborate on what you mean by "I'm sure Morey's team prepared the 18-20 defensive/offensive key points that helped with the subsequent winning streak."
I can't believe we are still on this topic. We are not arguing that Morey went out of way to marginalize Lin - like a giant conspriacy. What we are saying is that he allowed Mchale to continue his marginalization of Lin because he thought there was nothing signifcantly wrong with it. If Morey really felt strongly that Lin was that great, he would just watch and let it go? The bottom line is there is no conspiracy. Morey believes that Mchale is doing the right thing by using Lin this way. Let's think it the other way, if Mchale was a huge Lin fan and featured Lin more than harden, u really think morey would just let Mchale do his thing? I don't get why it is so hard for u to acknowledge that when most of us think its quite logical. Just wait till this season starts.
Some good links here:Why Rick Adelman Leaving Houston Sends Rockets In The Wrong Direction, 2011Adelman couldn't tolerate Morey's moves to overhaul the roster. McHale just bit his lips when PPat got traded because Morey wanted to upgrade his asset.To understand Morey, you have to understand what makes him tick. Money BallsyROCKETS G.M. DARYL MOREY TAKES A MORE ANALYTIC VIEW THAN OTHER NBA EXECS—AND HE'LL RISK EVERYTHING TO BACK IT UPHe still has the heart of that 22-year old with the love of numbers trying to win his 20-team fantasy basketball league with calculated risk (200th pick for the retired MJ).The article with defensive/offensive key points is a bit hard to find. I'll post it later. Might have to ask for via's help.
thanks solidz. wanted to point out what you said about the morey conspiring against lin thing too but you save me time and effort.
McHale's use of Lin wasn't wrong enough for Morey to intervene. We already know that Morey had a mid-season film review, whereupon Lin was more involved in the offense and had a statistical renaissance, so there are more choices than just "Harden dominates" and "Lin dominates".Everyone has also known all along that this was a temporary offense until Houston got a low post presence. The offense is going to look a lot different next year so there's not much point, from Morey's perspective, in blowing things up when it's going well enough. Houston wasn't going to win a championship next year, they just needed to be promising and feature an established star so they could attract Dwight Howard.
What's annoying about having more nationally televised games this year is that more are blacked out on League Pass. I'll have to watch them on some crappy stream, or download the game the next day.
Still have 5X games on LP......
There was also HD stream that I watch through VLC even for NBA TV. Its link is posted on CF.
I later discovered that stream too, which was posted on the Reddit game threads. But there wasn't always one, right? I think the guy doing it didn't always get the feed or have the time to do it. League Pass is a bad product. Poorly designed interface, overpriced, and governed by totally fucked up blackout rules. I would prefer not to give them my money for the product they put out.
It's pretty bad. All of the technical infrastructure for the NBA is really shitty. They must hire morons.
No Heat games until March 2014! That's the one team Jeremy has yet to "pay back." Something tells me he'll be ready this year. The Heat can shut down the PnR, no matter how good. But with Heat-Killer Dwight and Jeremy's improved 3pt shooting, Houston will be ready.
true, I'm sure when this game rolls around, before or after, it will be about Jeremy. I just hope they don't game plan against him again, Spolestra is pretty smart, he'll quickly see that Lin is the motor of the team, if Lin is given the chance to shine this season, then I'm scared for Lin in this game or up against other elite teams, w/elite coaches.
I'd be very surprised if Lin isn't traded by the feb trading deadline.
I havn't seem any possible scenario yet. (finger crossed)
Ha, Solidz brings up a good point. By the deadline, Lin or Asik could easily be traded -- even if they're playing well (all the more reason to "sell high" for Morey).
Exactly, Spoelstra (like Karl) gets it -- shutting down Lin is the key. Not so easy, though, with Dwight in the lineup.
I hope Jeremy can shut up the haters and help the Rockets to go far.
There will always be haters. He could be in the HOF with four rings and they'll say, "Yeah but ______ was better. Lin partly in the HOF because he's Asian. And he wouldn't have won those rings without Dwight/Harden."Can worry about haters...just enjoy J-Lin's game!
Agree, haters will never shut up.
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JLIN ARTChinese inscription: humble like a gentleman on the inside, but fast and powerful like thunder and lightning on the outside. [洪玉琳 - Linda Deepred]
Jeremy Lin's stats given the Opportunityhere are some players in the NBA that need to feel a certain sense of involvement. For example, if a big man runs the floor and plays hard on D, we reward him by getting him the ball in an opportunity to score say on a fast break, a couple of post ups, alley-oops etc. There are point guard like Jeremy Lin who need that sense of "involvement" and "opportunity". Something that wasn't given to him by McHale. 2 years ago there was a scouting report said by I think his college coach. "Jeremy tends to take himself out the game sometimes". Why is that? Well when you feel your of use to a team, you know that direction as to what you need to do and a direction on what you need to do to succeed. Jeremy didn't have that for MOST of last year and looked lost for atleast 1/2 the season.There are players in the league that are given more opportunity then others of course. Me and Rahat have expressed "opportunity" for Jeremy Lin and how the only way he can prove to be worth $8 million is to give him that opportunity. Jeremy seems to play BETTER when he feels like he has to do MORE, otherwise he kind of looks lost and takes himself out of the game.Here are some stats to prove my theory. In ONLY 18 games where he's had more then 14 or more SHOT attempts (meaning asked to do MORE then a traditional PG, feeling involved, having an opportunity). The stats don't lie…
It is true but his logic is flawed in general population's eyes. They will think it is because Lin had the "Hot-Hands" during those games, hence get more chance to shoot. However, we all know how McHale pulls Lin away when he gets hot.
very compelling information. i had no idea that Lin ONLY had 18 games with more than 14 FGA. that's egregiously low. his 21 PPG during those 18 games is all star #s even if you take 3 or 4 points off to compensate for the phantom "hot hands".and, very true that lin does look lost when you don't ask him to do more. it's a natural response. most geniuses do badly in non-accelerated classes.
One stat basically summarizes Lin's role in scoring and offense.He averaged 10.9 Field Goal Attempts per game last season. With 11 FGA, even if a player had a MVP-level conversion rate of 54 FG%, that's merely 6 baskets, 12 measly points a game, and add a little more for the extra pt from three pointers, and free throw attempts not counted as FGA. In summary, even if someone had Lebron-level conversion rates, they are never going to score many pts per game with 11 FGA.By comparison:Parsons: 12.4 FGA per gameHarden: 17.1 FGA per game (this number is even higher if you also include the real shots used to generate free throws, which arent counted as FGA)People expecting Lin to have like 17 pts a game don't understand Lin does not have the green light to score on that team.For every extra Field Goal attempt Lin takes, it's fewer attempts by Harden and the rest of the team. There are just not that many shots to go around.I'm not expecting his points to rise significantly, but I expect his assists will. Replace Asik with any big man with competent finishing ability and Lin's assists would go up, all the better with Howard.
Lol I saw Brent. Respect for "taking the truth" to them/on their face knowing that it ain't easy everywhere. Not on CF, Red94, Ultimate Rockets, The Dream Shake, and even here.But you can really tell that they all share the same attribute that they simply don't like/believe the Asian American kid no matter how sensible the given explanation they will dismiss it. They may hide in their "civil" ways of articulating opinion(hate) and at the end of the debate they will always hide/end back to "Lin is no batter than [insert NBA APPROVED superstar name here]" which is IMO the worst and most ignorant kind of opinion ever.
Everyone thinks only harden could lead a team and lin isnt capable. If only they know and see the same way we do...Jeremy is a leader. I used to get frustrated with the media and other fans, now i just dont care and wait for Jeremy to do his things when he gets to again. I just wish i could be the coach or gm of Houston lol.
@Rikki, I joined Red94 just because that article he posted. I would say at least the ppl there are not as harsh as thos in CF. However, a lot of them have this weird bias and logic that I just can not understand.
There's an admin, a Lin doubter to put it nicely, that said a team would never win anything with Lin as its best player. Ugh, okay.
0ccupati0, saw that too, out right ridiculous.
These people who say Lin can't be it's best player are all confused. Lin can be the best guard on the team but paired with a Big man superstar who is the face of the team or the Alpha Dog Franchise or the undisputed #1.Imagine Lin with Shaq, Lin with Dwight and no Harden, Lin with Tim Duncan in his prime etc...people seem to think Lin can't be the top guard on those teams and help those teams win.Lin haters seem to think us Lin fans want Lin to be the #1 star of the team. Well I, for one, can say I just want him to be lead guard...he can be the #3 guy if the Small Forward, PF, and or Center are bigger stars. The problem is again that Lin plays in a way where he becomes the star, regardless of who is on his team, because of how he plays with the ball in his hand. Fans follow the ball. And few can drive like Lin, and everyone watching these games get caught up watching an Asian looking kid do it. When I was a kid, all coaches said the first step, and ability to get into the paint past your man was considered the top ability of any guard. But now it's downplayed because an Asian kid in the NBA happens to have that rare elite skill...
That admin shares the same attitude the Rox front office has toward Lin. Are u guys really surprised? There are us. And there are people who have a complete different outlook on Lin. It's sad and infuriating that this front office, whom we were duped to believe is the former, ended up being the latter.
Lol Brent just because they aren't as harsh or rude, what I'm trying to say is everywhere is the same, they hide their hatred and racism in a more sophisticated ways so it came out as not harsh or rude when in fact it still actually is no matter how well they articulate it.
Rikki, you are right...
The admin's comment is hate. When was the last time a point guard won a championship as the best player on the team? John Wall can't, Tony Parker can't, Chris Paul can't, etc.
RedNinetyFour @RedNinetyFour 44m@cdhthegreat @RollingWave0720 $8million with the way he is being used is too much, but $8mill for his skillset is not. IMHO.MT, very good point!!
Looks like Red94 is doing a good job to advocate the Rockets need to use Lin's $8M skillset, Brent.Good, hopefully Morey is paying attention in his quest to increase Lin's trade value.
Very good question, MT. Even recent PGs like DRose and Nash who won MVPs couldn't win championships. Only two other PGs who won MVPs (Magic Johnson and Bob Cousy) managed the feat.It's a very typical ignorant hater's comment to compare Lin in his 2nd year to Magic and Bob Cousy. The same thing won't be said for Bev, Dragic or Lowry.
Here is an excellent link to the Rockets schedule. It's an iCalendar data file, so it will automatically add the dates to your Google/Apple/etc calendar. I used it last year, and it already has the next season's schedule, so you don't have to add it again each year!http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/hou/ical.ics
With Google Calendar you can just click the arrow next to "Other calendars", select "browse interesting calendars", click "sports", "Basketball", NBA, and click "subscribe" next to the Houston Rockets and it will add that calendar. You can select multiple teams you want to keep track of too.
@Rick...very nice. Thanks for the tips.
Funny how there are more and more articles lately to either use Lin more or trade him. I guess some people longs to see Linsanity again.Jeremy Lin Rumors: Would He Fit Best with a Non-Contender like the Detroit Pistons?Jeremy Lin Has 3 Months To Prove His Worth To Houston Rockets
With respect to the Red94 Jlin Part II, Mr. Huq appears to be a young man of minority descent, so while he may not sympathize or agree with us re. Lin's plight in the way we do at jeremylin.net, he can at least be objective unlike the majority of the sports media, Clutch fans and the like. I'm sure the article is not being well-received by most, but Huq is somewhat respected since he's tangentially affiliated with ESPN and he isn't Asian American so the haters can't flat out tell him he is clueless, un-American, and to go screw himself. Clutch fans and those who work for the media outlets would rather lose their jobs and swallow their pride than post something or admit that Lin was underutilized, improperly utilized, or flat out put in a position to fail or be the whipping boy of the team. Not everyone will be a Lin fan or believe, like me, that it's only a matter of time before Lin forces his will on the NBA to establish himself as a hybrid of Steve Nash on Steroids Meets a Less Athletic Version of Dwayne Wade, but that's ok. I may be just as wrong as Lin's haters who think he is worse than Matt Maloney.It's real basic. As I say time and time again, an Asian kid, American or not, is going to have to be Lebron-good to be treated with some respect, or be an 8 foot freak like Yao. A skinny Asian (American or not) guard like Lin who is inconsistent is just not going to be given the benefit of the doubt or the same time a John Wall would have to figure things out for himself. The Lin haters, which Clutchfans & the mainstream media exemplify, will point to Lin's undrafted nature as proof he stinks. We point to Lin being Asian American and thus completely ignored for that reason alone. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.We point to Linsanity and Lin's point explosions and team ball victories when Harden was out. Lin haters say it's a fluke, that Lin can only produce against bad teams, that he can only get stats in the regular season when games are meaningless. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.Nobody thought Steve Nash was going to be Steve Nash until he went to Phoenix. I didn't think Nash was going to be Nash and I thought he was serviceable at best in Dallas. I'm a big Nash fan today but prior to him leaving Dallas, I thought he was an over hyped white player from Canada the few times I'd see him on TNT or ESPN showcase or in the playoffs. It's the same way most casual NBA people see Lin on a few random Sunday games and then in the last playoff, where he stunk in game 1 and then got injured and stunk some more regardless of the injury. I think that's why Clutch fans and the media generally view Lin as an overhyped Asian product that is just not that good. It's similar to how I once shortchanged Nash because I saw him play 10 games a year in limited spots or just saw what he did or didn't do on ESPN as a Mav. I was just never impressed watching Nash play next to Dirk. It was boring and they lost to better teams. I was certain Nash was a scrub compared to even Nick Van Excel or Sam Cassell. But when Nash was the showcased guard of the uptempo Suns attack, WOW! I ended up eating crow. Nash simply wasn't utilized properly in Dallas as he was forced to fit next to Dirk rather than in Phoenix, where the perfect parts were placed around him.People forget Nash has great weapons with him in Phoenix. Today they act like Nash was the ring leader of a circus of scrubs. My fear for Lin is that there isn't a Phoenix out there to give him this chance. And I'm probably right. For Lin to get his chance like Nash did on the Suns, Lin will have to do his thing in Houston and force his will and then walk in free agency when he's a wanted commodity.
Great parallel with Nash's career in Dallas, swing!At least Nash got his injuries that made Cuban doubt his longevity and not resign him. It was a blessing in disguise because Nash managed to thrive with the Suns and still plays when he's 38 due to the famed Suns medical team.2004-era Mark Cuban didn’t think Steve Nash would still be walking at this point, 2012That's another example of how starring in a non-contender like Nash can launch him to be 2-time MVPs. Had he stayed in Dallas, he'll be known as a perfect role player for Nowitzki.That's why I don't mind Lin playing for a non-contender to give him a chance to succeed or fail as a superstar like Nash. 3 months or 2 years in Houston would be good to gain experience.I believe Lin has the physical tools to surpass Nash with athleticism. The playmaking and shooting would still need to be proven. He just needs a chance from teams that believe in him.
Great post swing! Very nice points.
When Nash was with the Suns, he didn't have to play much defense. Raja Bell, Shawn Marion, and Kurt Thomas were his help defense. They worked well together, whoever blew past Nash didn't have a clear lane to the basket.Now the Rockets want to turn James Harden into Steve Nash and Beverley into Raja Bell.
ABC, I would agree with your assessment. Thing is with Lin, he isn't an all world defender either, but he's much better than Nash ever was because Lin is more athletic than Nash and a little bit bigger. That's why I view Lin's potential as Nash on Steroids or a very poor man's Dwade who is more of a passer/team ball player to make up for it.I agree Harden is the Rox's Nash and Bev is the Bell. I get that. Thing is Lin won't allow himself to become the Leandro Barbosa. Even if Lin is FORCED into that role and produces, it should be enough for another team to be interested. I think Lin is going to force his will on the game a lot more this year and just not give a crap. He can nod his head to the coaches and front office, say all the right things, and then just do his thing his way as long as it results in positive things on the court. And if they bench him or play him 10 minutes so be it, as long as he does his thing on the court his way as much as he can in whatever role they give him. It won't be easy but Lin can do it.
As I've said before, a three way trade with Detroit-Boston-Houston that brings Rondo to Rockets doesn't make sense, since Rondo's a poor fit with his lack of perimeter shooting. As unlikely as that seems to me, Lin in Detroit would a cool story. Detroit is a massively underdog city if there ever was one, just a mess of a place. Would get to be lead guard and play alongside an top-tier roll man like Josh Smith. Would be cool.
Detroit is also extremely racist against Asians. Back in 1982, Vincent Chin was beaten to death by 2 recently laid off auto workers, who never received any jail time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Vincent_Chin
Sweet official Rockets pic
Interesting, if we go to rockets.com, there is still the Big 3 without Lin but the background for the schedule has Lin in it :DMorey to staff, "Sorry, no takers for Lin yet so go ahead and put his picture for the schedule! Sell some tickets!"Staff, "How about Asik?"Morey, "Wait, he's still speaking Turkish on the phone with me"Staff, "That's not Turkish"
wonder if Asian tour made them switch from THIS..?
Rockets homepage now shows four players, including Lin.http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5417/hu3e.jpg
but if we click 'Expand' on the "Get Your Season Tickets Now!" banner, it still shows 3 players :D
lol such fools, one day Lin isn't their star, the next he is. lol, talk about being inconsistent, Rox are worse at it. but really what is it? they only need Lin when they feel like it and when they don't he's irrelevant? publicly left out and dissed? It's clear they don't know how to use Lin, but sadly from this, I can only see that they see him only as a marketing ploy nothing else. w.e i'm excited to see the season roll out and @psalm234 you're funny, that was probably the real conversation!
"wonder if Asian tour made them switch from THIS..?"hahaha... obviously!
haha MxMoua, that's sadly true. Houston just wanted to develop Lin as a good role player and marketing machine. Hope it will change somewhat.I like Asik because he's always joking around with DMo during shootaround. His expression is very animated and funny.Asian tour means "Ka-Ching!"
I kind of disagree with that, I do not think Houston wanna DEVELOP Lin at all. They just need a man who does not take 25mil for 3 yrs and shoot 3s. They are out of options right now and they have bigger problem (The PF spot)at hands.
Finally ! A dream come true ! at least for a moment ! The Big 4 ! maybe until LIN is not yet traded ! Thanks for sharing the photo !
Has anyone from the Rox FO mentioned the Big4? IMO, it's more like the Big 3 more than the "Big"(do they ever consider Lin a talent big enough to be included in the winning lineup?)4. I can't get excited about this last min , the only pic promo display. Will be really excited when Lin is donning another team's uniform and showing his Linning swagger on the team's homepage!
I know I am the only excited for the big 4 for now. There's no mention from the ROCKETS. Even though ROCKETS disrescpect LIN since July 1. we all know there is no guarantee yet whetther LIN will be traded or not.
Since OCT30 2012 to be exact.
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[JLin schedule - subject to change]Aug 14: arrive @ TaipeiAug 15-17: endorsement activities.Aug 18: Church eventAug 18-20: bball training camp.Aug 21: fly to Shanghai.Aug 23: fly to Beijing.Aug 25-27: bball training camp.Aug 28: fly to Chengdu.
I am watching the Jackie Robinson story, 42, and it is breaking my heart. My God, what that poor man went through. He fought the same stupid hatred and ignorance that Jeremy faces everyday. Jeremy has to swallow it just like Jackie did, in order to do what he loves. Faith, courage and fearlessness got Jackie through and it will take Jeremy all the way as well.
With all due respect for what Jackie went through, it is still nothing compared with Lin. At least at his day the racism was blatantly open and honest unlike the closet and full hypocrisy racism which hide in every aspect of Lin's career nowadays. And the fact that basketball is a fast paced and very highly interactive team playing oriented only make it worst.
Rikki M,I think it is unfair and also not the point to say what Lin went through was worst compared to what Jackie experienced. They both faced obstacles due to their heritage. Let's agree on that point and not compare who had it worst as it should have never happened in the first place.
I agree with you that it shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Pocket veto is bad, but Jackie probably saw both sides of that fence. Lin too, in his college days. It's still an issue, the insider vs outsider.
Jeremy goes through the same thing Jackie Robinson does? Really?! Sorry, but I think you are either completely insane or extremely ignorant and uneducated.
troo578,You are absolutely right. I just didn't want to bring it up or argue about it. Some posters may not be American so they could be unfamiliar with US history, particularity events dealing with civil right issues.
You are right, Lin doesn't have to use a separate bathroom from the teamm, or sleep in a different hotel, but a similar undercurrent surrounds Lin as was constant there for Robinson. They both had to always prove to the haters that they belonged in the league. Lin will always be the "Asian, Harvard" kid, not jst the NBA player. They judge on where he is from, not his growing talent and developement.
The way Americans talk about race, it's always something that is part of the past, and that somehow, magically in a few decades, we have moved past it. Therefore, to even compare Lin's treatment to something in the pre-Civil Rights past is blasphemous to many people. Most racists don't think of themselves as racists. That fact is no different in the Jackie Robinson era.
0ccupati0,It actually is different then the Robinson era. Lin did receive bias and racial stereotypes due to being Asian. But that alone doesn't mean he went through the same experiences as Robinson did.According to interviews Lin heard racial taunts/slurs. What Robinson went through was absolutely worst. He often received death threats. He was pressured to quit the playing professional. There was protest against him playing and groups of people in the stands who purposely got together to throw racial taunts and insults at him. and the media was certainly not on his side. 0ccupati0, you should read test reply on Robinson vs Lin. I feel that if you were to truly understand the civil right history of America and Robinson you would be much more hesitant to make that comparison. With due respect.
These are the issues I'll be looking for when I watch Lin and the Rockets:1) Does the team institute more traditional half court offensive sets with Dwight Howard, or will they continue to play that motion offense? 2) Will the Rockets institute more formal defensive trapping now that they have a perceived shotblocker in the middle? 3) There still exists a hole at power forward. Will Lin and/or Asik be traded to plug that hole?I have no idea what's going to happen to Lin next season, but I do know that he'll have a tremendously positive impact when he gets into games next season.
KHuang,Those are issues I am thinking about as well. It will be interesting how the Rockets coach/management attempt to adjust their play-style with Dwight on board.
Woukdn't be quite difficult to observe all these points when u r watching (reading) the play by play on espn.com?
1.) That should be the case but it won't be. McHale will just let Dwight post up down the low block and hope he do his thing, that is the first priority. If fail or double teamed simply kick the ball out to 1st Harden, 2nd Parsons, 3rd a 3pt shooting PF, 4th anyone not named Jeremy Lin, 5th Lin. Or just let Harden run Pick and Roll with Dwight and hope for the best.Lets be honest here that McHale is pretty much clueless on how to coach a team and designing sets/plays. Don't expect him to come up with great sets/plays for I think it is unfair because he simply doesn't have the brain or the IQ to do so. I certainly will not give him any credit even though he is a HOF player.2.) Do you seriously expect a good defense coaching from a coach who thinks Beverly defensively superior than Lin and keep letting Harden not playing D and accountability? McHale may be a good defensive player back in his days but lets not expect him to come up with a great team defense concept, again for he simply don't brain or the IQ for it.
2 good points, Rikki M. McHale is going to show his hand with the preseason games. If there's nothing novel on the defense, and you just have Harden and Dwight playing hero ball, it's going to be fun to watch the first 10 games. I hope if that's the case, without clear improvements in the Rox play set, that Lin holds back a bit until they really wang some change. Doesn't seem like with last season, when he did make a difference, McHale built on that at all.
Good real basketball analysis, JoeTeam and Rikki and Jlinfan. Even if Mchale institutes hero ball and lets Harden and Howard run wild offensively while not coaching defensively, it still may not work because:1) Dwight Howard is a technically unpolished center on both ends of the court. I'm not convinced that McHale and Olajuwon can transform him into a true pivot. So running low post plays might not work. 2) James Harden and Patrick Beverley are the two worst defenders in the entire NBA at the SG and PG positions respectively. It'll mean big time foul trouble for Houston's bigs, even Howard, if those two keep getting burned. Plus, I doubt that Howard would take kindly to constantly having to double on Harden's and Bev's penetrators while Howard's man slips to the 3 point line for wide open jump shots. I expect Houston's defense to be as bad as it was last season because of this. 3) I can easily imagine the Rockets trading Lin for a veteran power forward like Al Harrington, Jermaine O'Neal, Nene, Emeka Okafor, Charlie Villanueva, or Gerald Wallace. I'd imagine that the Rockets would be happy to put some retread washed up quasi scoring power forward beside Dwight Howard to supposedly stretch the court around Howard. I'll be keeping my eyes on veteran over the hill power forwards who're playing for young bad teams.
About pt2, I wonder who is in charge of the defensive scheme. Roxs' schemes apparently are just let every one blow pass them and let Asik do the work.
To put things in perspectives, I wonder what has been done and will be done by McHale as a coach, last season and this season, for Lin's NBA career advancement?
Brent, Sampson was in charge of the defense. Responsible for schemes like having the PG double team big men who are posting up -- and conceding open threes from one pass away as a result. It was bad, and I was surprised it wasn't exploited more than it was. Remember Sampson is the guy who thought Toney Douglas was a better defender than Lin. Wow, I'd long forgotten about TD and how crazy that period was. The coaches were so in love with 'sparks' off the bench. TD is gone, but the coaches see Beverley as TD 2.0From the get go, it was clear that Sampson thought Lin was smaller, weaker, slower, and less unathletic than many other PGs.Sampson: "I think the biggest challenge for Jeremy is going to be taking care of the ball and being able to defend bigger, stronger, quicker, more athletic point guards. He’s got to get tougher in those areas."http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/qa-kelvin-sampson
Last season, the Rox simply took away almost all the things that Lin needed to be successful in the past, the screen, the plays and yet Lin quietly was making contributions to help the team to the playoff. The consensus is the Rockets couldn't possibly go to the playoff without Lin. In April, 2012, Lin played without Harden and Chandler Parsons in games that they must win. Lin made it through what was expected from him.But Morey is such a bitch! McHale's untimely benching. They weren't fair. We were watching and those Lin haters were just incredibly biased.
Sampson was biased towards Lin. His sayings were contrary to team offense and defense. Basically, he was suggesting hero ball which had been rejected by many. Also, the way Lin ran the offense in Linsanity mode was virtually unstoppable. Now if Lin can control to turn it on and off anytime he wants, he would more than enough be OK.
When Sampson said those things about Lin, it was Oct 2012 in preseason. Lin was still recovering from knee surgery. Though Lin had several brilliant games in preseason and early, Lin's injury prevented him from playing at the Linsanity level that he did for the 2nd half of the season. I'm no big fan of Sampson, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because Lin was injured. Now if Sampson says the same things about a healthy Lin who's performing well in preseason, I'll call Sampson a LOH.
Jeremy Lin Has 3 Months To Prove His Worth To Houston Rockets
WOW ! I was totally surprised Chandler Parsons will join Jeremy Lin on August 16 for camp in Taiwan. though it doesn't mean anything right ? I thought LIN would be bringging somebody else.
It was probably arranged a long time ago, before all the post-season and off-season drama. I'm not too thrilled about Parsons riding out JLin's popularity in Taiwan and rather one of JLin's "true" friends (ie: David Lee, Landry Fields, Stephen Curry) join him instead. Btw, I heard Dwight Howard will also be in Taiwan around the same time. I wonder if they will meet up although I doubt it.
Yeah this was mention before after the play-offs of the ROCKETS. Maybe LIN has no other choice but to bring Chandler. Though CP's girlfriend will tag along.Anyways can't wait for LIN's Taiwan promo. Looking forward for more pictures & news from that promo.
As long as Howard likes Lin and wants Lin on the court, Lin will be fine. Lin needs to kick butt out the gate and make Howard look great so that Lin becomes indispensable to Howard. If that can happen, Howard will demand Lin play more along side him and that will force out Harden. And if Harden and Howard can't get along, look for a trade of Harden for a superstar PF AND a serviceable starting SG who spots up. That allows them to keep their beloved CP25(I actually think they love CP25 more than Harden deep down if they could). So you would have Lin, serviceable SG (like a Sefoloshia or Danny Green type), star PF, Dwight, CP25. I can care less if the Rox want to champion their front court in that case because Lin will be the lead guard whether he averages 8/8 or 20/10.Do NOT count out Lin to make this happen. The guy is preparing to dominate this season. It might not happen obviously, but that is what he's preparing to do next season.
i was surprised too! i was sure Fields was going to go. I don't remember Lin saying in the early season that it was Parsons, i thought he said, we'll see?I think Fields would've been the one to go, but since he just had a baby and his wife is pregnant, he couldn't go any ways. really hope to see Lin-Fields bromance again!
Fields just got a newborn. I doubt he will go. I think CP was set to go with Lin a long time ago.
no no no. cp is more fun for the camp thing, not like the boring fields.
i also think Parsons went too because I heard the fangirls there love Parsons, so Lin felt a little obligated? Fields is not boring at all, he's hilarious, smart people are funny! Idk, I really don't think Parsons was set, i thought it was either going to be Curry or Fields because last year instead of Fields, it was DLee, i think Lin was intending to bring Fields along
I still hope that Morey will trade Lin and get burnt the second time and Les would hang up on him again. Lin will get top a team which can be fair to him and his game.
While everyone has said good things about the rockets, I just think they are unbelievably lucky ever since Lin joined the team. They could have missed the playoff and they might have lost lots more games with McHale's rotation. All those trades were unbelievably stupid and they still stay afloat. Teams having made so much mistakes could have been doomed but they are getting better despite lots of human errors.
agree rocket's made playoffs only because they have lin. mchell's job security is oweed to lin.
HAHAHAHAHA already cracking me up in the morning. Nobody but us will view it that way. McHale is a white NBA HOF while Lin is undrafted "chinese" guy, yeah the priority is clear here.Fucking shame no masses will read our opinion here but who am I kidding? Like our opinion matters.
Joyce from Stillmotion shares her story about filming JLin's pickup bball during last Taiwan visit.
McHale: mild-mannered vs browbeater
RedNinetyFour @RedNinetyFourI love Parsons, but by advanced metrics, the media's new popular narrative of him being some 3rd star is absurd. Great glue buy though---if you're looking at RAPM, can understand collectively how we've overrated Parsons and underrated Asik and Lin5:08 AM - 8 Aug 13r huq: $8million with the way he [JLin] is being used is too much, but $8mill for his skillset is not. IMHO.
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Which teams travel the most next season.
Who Are The Most Stat-Sheet-Stuffing Players In The NBA?
12 in a row...you're lincredible, via :)2Pat appears on the sheet thrice with different ratings. Marcus Morris twice. These two caught my attention, but there could be a few players have >1 rating. Any clue on how the VI computed?
oops, it's explained in the old SI article."To compute it, take the player's points, rebounds and assists per game and multiply them together. Then take the cube root of that number."
thanks for the info, @liv :)[hadn't had time to come over, was stuck with some task.]
np, via. no obligations on your part to search for anything that we request for. Don't be too kind, or else i'ld take you for granted :)
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trying to find 11/14 Rox@NYK tickets online, I can't find any available :-(can you guys find any online? Pls advise. Thx.
You can buy tix now on Stub Hub. Just google Stub Hub Knicks tix and click on the game. You can see what is available and purchase
what if he gets traded??
If he gets traded your out of luck if you already bought tix. However, you can sell your purchased tix back on Stub Hub. There is no gaurentee someone will buy them, but you can try. By the way, I have used Stub Hub a lot, the closer to the game date, the more tix become available and sometimes at much better prices because people panic and want to move their tix if they can't go.
hey guys.... I jut wanna ask a very important question. In what game Jeremy Lin lost his shoe while playing at the court ? I remember watching this on youtube but I can no longer remember in what game. I think it was already during his ROCKETS season. thanks.
I only found 4/6/13 Rockets vs Nuggets 1st halfJohn Ly April 6, 2013 at 6:23 PMLin looks hurt when he slipped on the wet spot and lost his shoe. They called a foul for Lin. Lin is slow getting up.May we know why it's very important? Perhaps there's some Cinderella story to it :pAnd I wonder where John Ly is.
Jeremy Lin Isn’t Off the Trading Block Yet
I thought this was a pretty fair analysis although the title made me suspicious. Personally, even though most don't seem to think this possible, I'd still like to see a trade between JLin and Steve Nash straight up. The numbers work and I say both teams will benefit.
Why would Steve Nash want to play with Howard after what happened in LA?
The issue with comparing Jackie Robinson to Jeremy Lin is that Robinson got it both in the sports world and larger society. It was more than just having to use different dressing rooms and hotels. If Lin's NBA career is cut short by racism - or had he never gotten an NBA shot at all - the guy still has a Harvard economics degree and can get a job making $250,000 a year on Wall Street tomorrow. (And if he did, compare his lifetime earnings to that of, say, Patrick Beverly, who is older than Lin and the way he throws his body around will be physically shot and out of the NBA within 4 years.) Robinson by contrast had to play baseball (and before MLB the segregated Negro Leagues ... he didn't get to go from the Negro Leagues to the majors until he was 28) or be a janitor like his older brother Mack, who despite having a degree from the University of Oregon and an Olympic silver medalist was working as a janitor. Jackie Robinson was only a couple of classes shy of completing his own degree at UCLA but quit, got married and went out looking for whatever work he could get because he knew that in 1941 a UCLA degree would do him no good. Society was such back then that a lot of leading civil rights leaders and intellectuals like Booker T. Washington and Carter G. Woodson publicly took the position that blacks shouldn't even bother with college, that it was a waste of time, money and resources that could better be dedicated towards vocational training to prepare for factory and agricultural jobs (which paid more than being a janitor) and whatever entrepreneurship opportunities were available (Woodson stated to the effect that it would be better to acquire the skills to sell ice from door to door in Harlem, to be an ice cart vendor, than to get an Ivy League law degree). I understand that Lin is experiencing discrimination and it is frustrating to watch, but America of today is totally different from the America of the 1950s. Back then there was no pretense of equality or legal basis for equal treatment. The idea that everyone deserved an equal and fair shot even in theory was extremely offensive. The idea that certain people were privileged and those who weren't was supposed to know their place was set in stone, and people who claimed or demanded otherwise were considered highly socially, economically and legally subversive, to the point that it was very easy to claim that such people were communists taking part in a secret Soviet plot to overthrow the government. (Seriously. I am not making this up. That is just how alien and unthinkable equal opportunity/treatment was during the Robinson era.) It went a lot deeper than just being called racial slurs and not being able to stay in hotels with his teammates. There were deeper, systematic societal problems and mindsets than that. Of course, had "42" dealt with those, it would not have been anywhere near as commercially successful.
Test,Great post! Hope people read it carefully.
As with any comparison or analogy, there are relevant similarities and inapplicable dissimilarities. There is a lot to say about the differences between what Lin's situation means and what Robinson's situation represented. No question. But no one said that these two are exactly the same. Some things are similar, which is the whole point of an analogy -- to highlight similarities. If you wanted to highlight differences, that's easy to do because two these aren't the same thing.Even people who think this Lin/Robinson analogy makes sense to talk about can write AT LENGTH about how the analogy breaks down in certain respects. And for those who think the analogy is mind boggling or blasphemous, it is even easier to go on about this. Why? Because slavery and the civil rights movement and blacks in america are all well documented, and what's more, they are an essential part of how Americans think of their national history. It is indeed the entire template and model for talking about race relations. In comparison, there is little conversation about racism against Asians and how this is something that runs deeper than slurs. Many Americans don't even think this is a problem worth addressing bc whatever problems Asians have, it does not look like the problem blacks had and still have. As if there is only one way and one story by which racism can exist.In general, Asians in America are not part of the national story. Even the role of Asians in the Civil Rights movement has been very underplayed. Many don't even take seriously there is racism against Asians.For anyone who thinks the Robinson/Lin analogy is a terrible one, instead of getting into that argument, I'd rather the pose the question to them: Do you think there is discrimination in American against Asians? If the person's answer is No, then that's a totally different conversation. If the answer is Yes, then we can begin to talk about how the Asian situation is actually different from the history of blacks in America. And with that the analogy will have served its purpose: to start out seeing similarities and end up recognizing nuances and relevant differences.
the fact is back in 50s, it is "okay" to discriminate black people, society told so and most people didn't know better. but now is 2013, it is not okay to do so, but Lin still got discriminated. you think people should know better now? i think it's worst.
Good post, Test. But I'd also like to point out some difficulties in your arguments:1) Asians are routinely rejected from top academic institutions because of their race. While top schools are seemingly overwhelmed with Asians, the unspoken racial quota system still exists. 2) Lin has no professional "Asian American League" to play in, unlike Robinson who had the "Negro Leagues". 3) Asian Americans are forcibly excluded from American media entertainment in general. African Americans were very prominent in the 40s in entertainment, unlike Asians today. Lin battles the anti Asian media racism in America that would like nothing more to see him GONE.
Excellent posting by Test.Did Jackie Robinson suffer more discrimination than Lin? Absolutely.Did it make it okay to diminish Lin's discrimination not being offered scholarship due to the skin of his color and being taunted racial remarks in college (or even other Asian-Americans, Hispanics, blacks) in the modern world? Absolutely not.Discrimination is still discrimination no matter how severe it might be. It is imperative to not let the discussion be steered into Jackie vs Lin or African-Americans vs Asian-Americans.Jackie was the pioneer and Lin is also a pioneer. Efforts should be made to prevent discrimination for all kinds of color or classes then or now so we don't fight unnecessarily on which race got it worst.
I think people also forget that back in the day, Chinese workers were sent to build railroads in appalling conditions, and not even allowed to have women around to prevent babies. They were also routinely sacrificed in dangerous dynamite jobs.So while Blacks had their problems, the Asians had their own problems too. And while the path is different, the same desire for equality in the eyes of all is still burning.That's why I disliked William Hung (the singer) for making a mockery out of Asians and also to some extent Ken Jeong. The recent fake Asiana news report mocking Asian names also represents still how acceptable it is to laugh at Asian people (even in the face of tragedy).But I apologize for digressing. This topic was about Jeremy and Jackie and I jacked it somewhat. :-P
All very thoughtful posts. Obviously, there are similarities and differences. Yes, Lin will never be poor and is in fact very rich by any reasonable standard, but I do see some similarities. One big difference though: Lin can say "screw you" and still do very well, whereas I am not sure that would have been the case for Jackie Robinson. By the way, I like Ken Jeong but not Margaret Cho. I admire Lin in that as an Asian-American, I like to see him play in NBA and know what he had to go through; but no way do I feel like he represents me because he's too "nice" and religious for my taste. Now, if there was an Asian-American player with a healthy "screw you" attitude and talent, he would get a greater support from me. :)
Also, I don't think any fellow white players wanted to travel with Robinson to get more popularity from blacks. Hint, wink: Chandler Parsons.
why can't we get past this "asian american" construct and just call Jeremy for wut he is. He's American.
Perhaps in future it may very well be, whatever "wut" is. You might as well say "why not call him a human being" and skip referring to one's nationality. In some sense, that's a construct also.
I happen to think the Native Americans were the most "screwed over" group in American history, on this basis: this was their homeland and they got most of their stuff taken away. The fact that they had many tribes and their culture did not place importance on the ownership of land did them in, as well as the new diseases brought by Spanish and newly arrived Europeans.
I never said Lin and Robinson's stories were exactly the same. That would be absurd. I simply said that the same type of sentiment that engendered the mistreatment of blacks in American post Civil Rights enactments, inspires racists to judge Lin unfairly due to the color of his skin and his education, rather than his ability.
By the way, I am not black or Asian, I just despise predjudice and stereo typing. Jackie's story was singular and heroic. I apologize if I miscommunicated my comments. This is America and all should share the same opportunities regardless of race, gender or creed.
There is no need for you to apologize. Lin's story is similarly monumental as Robinson's was, and all you did was point that out. Most Americans don't realize the racism Asians face because Asians are INVISIBLE in the media (particularly Asian men of strength and character). Even those sympathetic to Lin can sometimes be indignant at the notion that an Asian can be HEAVILY discriminated against in the 21st century. And many of those people will happily appreciate Lin once the light of knowledge is shed on the subject. I myself indeed see Lin as the Asian American sports equivalent of Jackie Robinson was for African Americans. I see no need to apologize for it either!
It was a very good point about prejudice that you raised, Rose. I see many people simply adopted the attitude that Lin's discrimination was nothing whenever Jackie Robinson's name was being brought up.That's what inspires many people about Lin. He doesn't just represent Asian-American minority but also all kinds of underdogs in life who can overcome the odds, no matter what the color of the skin.For some reason, people just like to focus on the differences rather than the similarities.
Jackie Robinson's story is similar to Khuang's story. Khuang is a trail blazer. He's the first asian american to stand up to internet racists who attack khuang because of his asian username. khuang is a trail blazer, an internet version of jackie and jeremy.
It's remarkable how Etane always comes here to instigate racial attacks on members here with Asian screennames.As usual, he's trying to start another flame war against the Asians he HATES. Etane is the real racist on this board.
Etane, you crack me up. Now, only if he took his fight to CL site, I would have more respect. Anyway, North America was populated all across by Native Americans and Spanish people even before Europeans began to settle here, and if you travel across the US, their influence on culture is unmistakable. While USA was a government largely established by people of European descent, many kinds of people, especially Native Americans and Spanish, heavily influenced the culture and other aspects of the US. There is a reason why the US govt is still paying money to Native Americans.
Oh, Etane is just trying to let the world know that the Asians on this board are "insane delusional chinks" in his words.The guy is trying to attract more racists to this site to attack Lin's Asian fans.
Etane, no need to name drop anything to take the discussion away from basketball. My personal philosophy is that everyone is a racist to some degree, but I have no problem with people having that view, as long as they treat all kinds of people fairly and don't try to pass any law or actions based on their whacko belief of superiority.
But see, Etane is hellbent on flaming the fans with Asian screennames here. It's all about name dropping with him, as his goal is try to openly flame and discredit anybody with an Asian screenname. I'm also waiting for his fellow troll (NOT eb5attorney) to jump in and start firing more personal attacks in order to try to make the Asians here look stupid.
I do think Etane's reference to khuang is getting too stale.
Not to Etane it's not. He'll never stop flaming the Asians on this board. If it's not me, he'll simply pick another Asian screenname to try to racially attack. Racists like Etane don't ever get tired of attacking Asians.
Solid, it's a time for you to jump in as Etane's "fellow troll". :)
Etane, I will get an Asian screen name, so you can attack me racially. I will hereby change my name to "c**** attorney".
for reference, what kind of asian name is that?
Just say one word to shut Khuang up... "FFL". I would love to relive Khuang's pathetic and desperate attempts at saving his dignity against FFL's vicious attacks. This time I will screen cap it so we can preserve the verbal KTFO for all eternity. FFL is to Khuang what the 2nd night of a B2B was to Lin last year.
Thanks psalm and Kuang. I appreciate your support and understanding of how my comment was intended. :)
You're welcome. There are a handful of trolls like Etane here who are trying to turn this place into an anti Asian flame zone, and people like you and me oppose their efforts. Many of Lin's fans, like myself and you, appreciate players of ALL ethnic variety.
Wow, what an ingratiating attempt here. I feel the love.
Hey eb5attorney, love HURTS sometimes!
It does, for sure. I felt it.
did someone kick eb's puppy today?
don't have a puppy.
your wife leave you for your best friend?
Your hubby leave you for your dog?
ouch, someone needs a puppy.
Lin on front page of espn again, albeit, in a small link toward the bottom under the "must read" section. see here for the article: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/61953/linsanity-a-show-of-good-faith
A good article. I share the writer's views to certain extent, but my wonderment at the Linsanity is definitely not due to Lin's Christian faith but using whatever belief or faith he had, trying to rise above his then current situation.
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