JLin, Osik, and Greg Smith for Jameer Nelson, Al Harrrington,
I think this would be beneficial for both teams. I really love Orlando's young team:
Lin/Oladipo
Afflalo (may be moved as well)/Oladipo/Harris
Tobias Harris/Moe Harkless
Vucevic/Greg Smith/Andrew Nicholson
Asik/Vucevic
Lin is officially a has-been now, and will unfortunately do poorly no matter where he goes.
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DeleteSorry if the truth hurts.
DeleteUr probably bald, extremely fat and have a small underperforming wiener. Lin is a stud u moron.
DeleteLin is turning 25, his peak won't come until he's 30. The problem is that he's perceived to be of low value. A great season will change that in a hurry. His margin for error his razor-thin, however, and he needs to be nearly perfect this next season. It"s not fair, but it's never been fair for him to begin with.
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Delete"manhood?" You are trying to tell us your gender is male?!?
DeleteLike I said u are a fat loser with a little member. Get off this site. Nobody wants u here.
DeleteOMG, another grade 7 brain and butt contusion patient..
Delete@== Funny...that makes you the ultimate loser cos you are not a fan of Jeremy, yet you spend time on his fan site. Shouldn't you be spending time enjoying your life with some friends? Oh wait, nobody wants to be your friend.
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DeleteHey ===, what's your name boy? I'm going to name you "stupid!"
DeleteNo bad idea. Lin and Olidipo? Why? Lin needs full control of the reins. Why would houston want such scrubs? Doesn't make sense to me.
ReplyDeleteOladipo is a great guard to pair with Lin. He doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective, but is capable of creating for himself, if need be. Not to mention that he's a monster on defense.
DeleteWhat team is going to give him full control? Houston wants a vet PG. No way there getting a solid vet just for JLin. They're going to have to give up more.
DeleteA team that believes in him will give him full control. Why is that so hard to fathom?
DeleteIt's not hard for me. It's hard for all teams in the NBA.
DeleteI don't see Victor Oladipo as a future NBA star.
DeleteHe doesn't have great basketball instincts and his body control is suspect. I also think that the Michael Jordan comparisons are way over the top.
Physically, Oladipo reminds me of a international player that tried to stick in Summer League but didn't make the cut. That would be Romain Sato, a 6'5" athletic guard who was linked to the Spurs and had big scoring games overseas.
I've written before that Oladipo reminds me of former Sixers swingman Aaron McKie. I just don't see Oladipo as a decisionmaking type of player, though the Magic plan on trying him at point guard.
Quentin Richardson isn't even on Orlando's roster anymore and there's no way Morey would do that trade. Come on. And it's not clear if Orlando would even want Lin.
ReplyDeleteBasically, Lin's best bet is to make this Houston thing work. The odds are greatly stacked against him, but he has no other choice. Unless he drastically outperforms Beverley, he is in danger of having his minutes reduced. Or, he can pray for the Lakers to take him back in a sign-and-trade.
I don't know if Orlando wants Lin but I know that the Rockets want to get rid of him. Of course if they can't trade him, he'll do his best to make it work. The Lakers in a sign and trade is still a possibility.
DeleteJlin fan. I am ignorant on this. How are we sure that houston wants to ditch Jeremy? Especially in the last couple is days.
DeleteI thought that they were trying to shop Jeremy when no one would tAke Thomas Robinson and they need to get under the cap to get Dwight?
Jeremy Lin = 东亚病夫
ReplyDeleteand you are a 白痴 王八 懦夫 as well as a 蠢货
Deleteit is "..." barking, just waste time on it.... :P
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Deleteit is "..." barking, just waste time on it.... :P
DeleteThanks for taking the time to read, get uppity, and comment! ;)
Hey ===, what's your name boy? I'm going to name you "stupid."
DeleteYou in hawaii, kauai boy? It would make perfect sense ... hawaiians may make some good spam and eggs, but they are not exactly know for their mental capabilities.
Delete@== Why are you still around in Jeremy's fan site? If you dislike him that much, it's seriously easy to start a anti Jeremy Lin fan site and post all your belligerent comments there. Then nobody will flame you and all your other negative posters can pat you on the back for each bad thing you can say about Jeremy.
DeleteAnd you might make a few friends along the way too! Wouldn't that be something?!
Hey "stupid," flustered, ain't ya? "Spam and eggs?" That's the best u got boy? I named you appropriately...
Delete===, if you don't know 礼义廉耻, you have no place on this board.
DeleteFirst priority is to get the hell out of Houston. Any team that is willing to give Lin the ball and the minutes he deserved to fully optimize his impact is good enough for me.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is finding "that team." There aren't many options out there. Orlando would seem logical, but they'd have to include Jameer Nelson, who the Rockets probably wouldn't want. They might also need to find a taker for Afflalo, which might be difficult. The Hawks don't seem to want Lin and PHI and UTH are going to go with their rookie lottery picks (Burke and MCW). Not many options out there. I would love the Lakers, as Nash is on his way out, but they don't seem to want Lin, either.
DeleteTrust me. I am well aware "that team" probably don't even exist, or at least not yet. All thanks to The Houston Rockets organization.
DeleteWhy do u think the writing is on the wall?
ReplyDeleteIs anything, over the past couple of days, I thought jeremy would end up staying with houston.
JLinfan#1: I have the same question, why are you so sure? Any reliable source?
Delete1. Not invited to woo Howard
Delete2. Draft a PG with your hi 2nd rd pick
3. Team on paper is a title contender, thus probably wants a vet pg
4. No peep out of JLIn with all of this going on
Did you ever hear Howard say I'm excited to be playing for the Rockets and JLin?
Jlinfan#1, I think it is still down to how to dump Lin and I think even Morey found this a very hard thing to do.
DeleteI agree with ur points.
DeleteEspecially the twitter silence from Jeremy.
This is damning to me. There is something going on that Jeremy knows.
I think the tweeter silence is just for protection.
DeleteI guess the day the Rox home page was changed to have ONLY the beard and CP25, we should all get the hint.
DeleteLike the NYK days, long before they asked Lin to test the water, they have removed links related to Lin from their fan site.
I think that was different, During NY days, most ppl assume Lin would stay until that Rox offer was on the table. This time is actually worse, Lin was treated (on the surface at least) like a trash. Completely different story. If I am not Lin fans, I would say Asik is feeling even worse than Lin does right now.
DeleteI think Dwight Howard signing with the Rockets is the best thing that could have happened for Jeremy. Jeremy is easily the best passer on the Rockets and Howard is a finisher. Last year when Jeremy would get past his man and into the paint, he would be met by the opposing team's big man because Asik wasn't much of a threat offensively and could not catch an ally oop pass if his life counted on it. Now with Howard on the team, if the opposing center challenges Jeremy in the lane, Jeremy can float the ball up for Howard for the easy slam much like he did with Tyson Chandler. Jeremy's unselfish style of play fits in very nicely with the new Rockets lineup. People also underestimate the amount of revenue Jeremy generates for the Rockets. Do you think East West Bank will be happy if the Rockets trade away Lin? With Jeremy's improved 3 point shot, and Howard's presence in the paint, Jeremy is going to have an awesome year! I'm looking forward to it!
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ReplyDeleteInteresting times.
DeleteReferencing JLinFan#1's 4 points at 6:38pm.
DeleteHouston effed themselves in a big way. If they wanted to be rid of Lin, they should have let him play this past season. They should have shown him off. Instead, they tied his hands and humiliated him constantly. Not only did they ruin his season, they ruined his ability to be traded because no one will take on that piece of crap contract with the stats he put up in such limited minutes as a starting pg. They are reaping what they sowed and destroying J Lin at the same time. Please God let him out of that Houston snake pit and play point guard somewhere else. If he remains in Houston, he needs to shoot the lights out whenever he can. He will be getting half the touches he got last season if he is lucky.It will be the Harden Howard Parsons show. There is no love for Lin in Houston. Lin's silence is frustrating. I wish he would make some statement but of course he is the perfect professional as always and not commenting. The boy is a rock.
ReplyDeleteI saw that too, that was really not a smart business decision at all . Someone just took the situation too personal .
DeleteRose, you do realize that crap stats Lin had you mentioned is only because Lin is the only the Chinese Taiwanese Asian American player in the league, right? I mean nobody will say shit about Rubio's stats, because of the double standard Lin had to be way better than everyone else.
DeleteYour probably right, Rikki.
Deleteit could also be that there's a lot of expectation that lin will fall flat on his face as many probably believe linsanity was a freak accident. so, one bad year simply reaffirmed a lot of people's prejudice.
Deletegood point Rose
DeleteLooking at Lin's April's game log I say Lin had done farely well. It's just that the one playoff game that he didnt play well that got everyone's attention. What a bunch of BS but that's how things work in the media. I suspect the rockets would know better than those so called SOURCES or REPORT which is just one BS after another BS
DeleteRight now, Lin is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He really has no idea what his role will be next season, or even what team he will play for. Right now, the best thing for him to do is to eliminate the flaws he has in his game and play free. If he gets benched, then so be it, but he has to do this "his way." He's in danger of getting Tebowed. Hopefully there is a sense of urgency on his part.
ReplyDeleteSince God has a perfect plan for him, Lin shouldn't worry. All he can do is focus on what he can control, which is to practice and keep on improving.
DeleteI totally agree with eb5. Many people of all ages follow JL and listen to JL's statements. I believe more people will be disappointed in JL, if he becomes a "cry baby". We all hope that he becomes a wildly successful NBA player, but is it God's plan for JL? I hope that all these challenges and ridiculous accusations will bring JL closer to God and make JL stronger as a person and as a player. Godspeed JL
DeleteI still like Boston and Brad Stevens.
ReplyDeleteAsik and Lin for Rondo and Bass.
Rondo is perceived as a "superstar PG," so the Rockets will love him, and he's not going to like playing on a crappy rebuilding team with a super young coach with zero NBA experience.
Bass is a stretch 4 with a nice midrange J and decent rebounding. That's plenty next to Dwight.
Asik is the center Boston needs and Lin will help Boston "tank" (not really, but that's what they think) while still drawing attention and selling tickets. And he's PERFECT for Brad Stevens' style and personality.
Morey would need to give up more than just Lin and Asik to get Rondo. He'd need to give up multiple 1st Round picks. Bass might fit okay next to Howard, but the better Terrence Jones keeps playing, the less a need the PF spot is.
DeleteThat said, if Jeremy stays, he'll be fine. He'll put up an efficient 15/7 and be a part of a Top 4 seed. And if he stays healthy, he'll beast in the playoffs.
DeleteBut in order to reach his full potential, he needs a rebuilding team like Boston or Orlando. Or Atlanta.
I'm sure he would give up at least one 1st for Rondo. He's perceived as a Top 3 PG. Whatever it takes...I'm just mentioning the core pieces of a trade.
DeleteStill, Boston doesn't have a ton of leverage since everyone and their momma knows that Rondo doesn't want to be here...they're putting on a phony smiles to convince us otherwise. But come on.
Rondo didn't like playing for Doc Rivers on a playoff team. You think he'll like playing for Brad Stevens on a lottery squad? The best he could muster was a second hand source relaying, "he'll keep an open mind." LOL.
Whether 15/7 is achievable depends on whether McHell will try to cool Lin off whenever he gets hot.
DeleteHe can put that up even if McHale pulls that crap. Why? Dwight Howard.
DeleteJeremy seldom got any decent screens last year. Zero alley-oop finishers. Constant bobbles by Asik and let's not forget the knee recovery hurting his jumper.
Actually, now that I think about, I'm super excited to see what Jeremy will do this season. He's no fool...he'll be playing ANGRY this year after seeing everyone doubt him.
Maybe 14/9 is a better projection, though with Dwight wanting his low-post touches.
Is Boston a real possibility? I feel in my gut that Houston is anxious to get rid of Lin largely because of his rabid fans. I hope I am wrong, but has anyone seen Rox FB page? The damning of McHale was constant and all Lin fans were constantly calling for McHale's head on a platter. It would often get very ugly and Rox fans were vicious to Lin as a result of their anger toward Lin fans. It was a vicious circle. McHale screwed with other players too, but no one had a fan base like Lin to defend them so vehemently. Rox want to shut us up
Deletei hope you're right zx. i am a half glass empty type of guy. asik refused to set picks for lin for part of the year. i hope DH doesn't try to ice lin out like the other "teammates" tried to do last year.
DeleteAsik doesn't know how to set proper picks. He always gets into a 3 second violation. I think that was the reason why he didn't set picks. he can't get into foul trouble.
DeleteHarden was the only one that was able to set proper picks for Lin (when he wants to).
alcsd, you're right asik isn't good at it. but, he did at least attempt to set picks for Lin during the first few games of the season then later on when Lin continued to have confidence in asik to finally catch a pass.
Deleteasik never failed to "attempt" to set a pick for Harden though...
Maybe he knows Harden is God. Above everybody else so his concentration is super clear or else. Whereas Lin is the bastard's stepson, so his mind wonders why setting picks for Lin..?
DeleteAsik seems very methodical or slow. Not dumb, just can't think on his feet. He strikes me as someone who knows what is taught to him, but can't think outside the box. In other words, lack common sense.
there could be some sense of self preservation as well?
Deletepeer pressure and all with lin being the harvard "geek".
i don't think it's a compliment whenever mchell says lin is "smart" or from "harvard". and, it makes the environment more caustic.
If J-Lin gets traded, he gets a fresh start elsewhere.
DeleteIf J-Lin stays, he gets an elite PnR big with great hands and leaping ability.
That's why the Howard move is win-win...or rather Lin-Lin.
(Also, Harden will be forced to sacrifice and mature. Lin couldn't make him as an up-and-comer, but Dwight can make him as a max contract established superstar).
Yeah mine too! Lin to boston!!! Stevens looks like a faith oriented man too. And a man of integrity .... He refused ucla to stay with butler
DeleteLin wanted to escape Linsanity in NY. He's got his wish now -with deafening silence.
ReplyDeleteRintintin, do you even know what you are talking about? "Lin wanted to escape Linsanity in NY?" WHat are you smoking? Lin didn't want to leave NY. He thrived there and loved the loyalty and embrace of the fans! What the hell are you talking about? Carmelo Anthony was jealous of Lin's attention, he was outshining Melo, and being the insecure, selfish fuck that he is, Melo made it clear to Dolan that he didn't want Lin on his team despite the fact tha Lin would have taken NY much farther this year than the 2nd round of the playoffs. SO get your facts straight.
DeleteHe didn't want to escape Linsanity.
DeleteHe wanted to stay. But Houston offered him a big contract and NY didn't match. You got to be smart about your future -- take the money and security while it's there.
Guys just give tintin a break. He just want to drink his beer and watch Lin not doing much on League Pass.
Delete@ Rin Better chance now for you to show you are a greater fan than those who have abandoned him.
DeleteLin's career is like no other. He burst onto the scene after playing D League then had a (relatively) quiet season with the Rox. He'll have detractors whatever heights he achieves or not.
DeleteFrom this weak point (for him) he's bound to leap forward, with any team he plays with. He's got too much talent skill and determination to waste away in a scrub team.
Just hope his career is not too high a roller coaster
It's not bad being on a roller coaster.
Delete1. It makes better biographical movies and books.
2. Your highs are higher, even if your lows are lower. And there is more than one rise and drop in a roller coaster.
3. We won't get bored (yes, this is a selfish reason but admittedly, much as we are his fans, we are entertained by him).
In the end, after he retires, we will all get off the train and say to each other...that was a pretty fun ride!
Bill Ingram(Hoopsworld writer): A source with direct knowledge of the situation confirms Rockets working hard to move Jeremy Lin ... very limited interest for teams. Twitter @TheRocketGuy
ReplyDeleteLet the wheeling-and-dealing begin. I want to see how much Morey is willing to give up to move Lin.
You can't trust these reports one way or the other.
DeleteAccording to Morey himself, he was the one RECEIVING CALLS about Lin. Not making them and getting no response.
The truth is probably the obvious answer: Morey is looking to trade him...but only if he gets something good in return...but other teams won't give up too much because of J-Lin's contract.
In other words: typical NBA GM "chess." Who will blink first and give in?
true, Morey is playing tough to get good asset(s) in return, especially when word is out that Asik also wants out.
DeleteI just had a vision of Lin stealing the ball from Harden on one end and score a floater on Howard on the other end. Then Morey was throwing chairs and cursed like a sailor. Is that too much to ask?
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/07/07/mchale-we-can-play-with-anybody/
ReplyDeleteit seems like harden is gonna be the pg and sg again. We will still see Jeremy stand at the corner shoot the 3s within 3 seconds.This is not gonna be good to our boy.
Bev is at that pro summer league. Buddies, McHale and Bev.
DeleteGet ready to run to your local jersey store if Jeremy gets traded! You can get those overpriced Houston Lin jerseys for probably 75% off (I saw Pierce's).
ReplyDeleteLast year I bought Lin's NY jersey and then when I saw him at an Orlando game, I got him to sign it. But I don't know if he'll be as fond as Houston as New York if he does get traded!!
I can't believe no publication has asked Jeremy for a comment on the trade. Do you think he has refused to speak to press? Even Bev is talking. Ugh when will this be over. Btw,my kids and I all have signed Lin Knicks and Rox jerseys. I am hoping to add a third team to that collection this season. Let Lin go!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThe collection will be worth a lot to them later!
DeleteWow you're a hardcore Jeremy fan.
Delete@Rose Envious am I, yes...
DeleteWe watched Linsanity unfold before our eyes. All hope was lost for our Knicks and Jeremy came off the bench and blew us away. He is a tremendous role model for my little boys. now i speak to them about persevering and keeping their heads up in the face of adversity, like Lin.
DeleteGreat to hear your boys will also learn how to overcome adversity from Lin as well as mine, Rose :)
DeleteThis too shall pass. And Lin will come out stronger than before.
Does anyone remember what days, last year Lin verbally agreed and signed his contract with HOU? Im curious as to why Teague hasn't gotten any offers. I was thinking that, maybe we were still in the early stages of FA.
ReplyDeleteNevermind, it all started on July 5th.
DeleteTeague getting no love from Atlanta is interesting.
DeleteFerry might see J-Lin (who always dominates Teague and the Hawks) as Plan B if he doesn't get Monta Ellis for a reasonable price.
Or who knows Hawks have SO few players maybe he would get both Lin and Ellis and play them together. Hard to say...so many rumors and so many sudden surprises.
Atlanta: Plan A, Monta Ellis
DeletePlan B, Jeff Teague
Plan C, trade for Jeremy Lin
Is there any possibility of this happening or is this simply our wish?
DeleteMorey is lukewarm & ice cold when iy comes to Jeremy.2 weeks ago-Jeremy might be traded for D11.last week-Jeremy will not be traded.this week-Morey looking for teams to move Jeremy.next week-???
ReplyDeleteActually, I don't think anything has changed.
DeleteMorey was always considering a trade of J-Lin. But he's not going to trade him unless he gets a starting caliber PG in return.
in return? they have beverley! hes the best! lol
DeleteI like the sarcasm above.
DeleteLin was instrumental in Knicks and Rox making playoffs. He's in hot demand by other teams by smart managers despite his current contract. If he keeps playing well his value will not diminish.
DeleteYou need to look at value added not just personal stats.
i think the only reason Morey will move Jlin is for a great power forward like Love or Aldridge if not he'll stay. Bev is okay but not good enough to start.
DeleteWhat I am really surprised about us that I have seen no rumors of Jeremy's agents helping to expedite any deals for Jeremy.
ReplyDeleteI REALLY hope they aren't being passive in this process.
I think it's either self-preservation (to avoid media hoopla.the D12 talks to Houston is a minor trade circus itself)or Jeremy isn't going to be traded at all
DeleteI guess Lin want to stay, and he knows Morey's word is worthless. Maybe he just does not care...who knows...
DeleteBarnes was asked in local news what he thought of the talk about trading him from GSW, and he said he's just a player, he can't worry about what's not in his control, and that he's working on his game this summer. Nice kid. Great future. "Punny" thing was, he was being interviewed wearing all a CG suit as he was being scanned doing dunks for EA Sports. Working on his game, I guess.
DeleteI imagine that's what Lin is doing, and he'd say the same thing if asked but he'd do it in a more sincere way.
I respect the hell out of Omar Asik standing up for himself and calling bullshit on the whole process the MOMENT Dwight made his announcement and asking for a trade.
ReplyDeleteOMER ASKS TO BE TRADED
DeleteOmer - from 3rd highest rebounder to 10 or 15 min bench warmer. Lin did the same and high tailed out of Knicks when they bought Kid and Felton.
DeleteWhy are gms shocked?!
i dont even believe that news. I think its just media speculation. minutes before dwight announce his decision media are saying its 50-50 then a few minutes after his decision Asik is upset??? its obvious they don't know shit and just speculating.
DeleteTo me its clear. Josh Smith is off the market. Jeremy Lin with the poison pill is untradable - there is no trade to do this year. Rockets can load up on talent and see what they have next year. Jeremy may be feeling dissed by not being asked to recruit D12, but looking further out, Rockets have quite a team next year assuming Lin stays - and I think he will. There is always risk when you make a trade, there is nothing to tweak without a compelling reason. Rockets sticks to their China marketing strategy I doubt they ditch Lin.
ReplyDeletelin needs to trash all the pg in the team in practice to keep the starting role. lets go lin!
DeleteIf any young first time starting PG had the season that Lin did, teams would be clamoring to trade for that player.
ReplyDeleteNot only that, Houston's so called basketball people would feature Lin as the point guard of the future.
I've never seen a player with so much game get criticized and devalued the way Lin does, and race is the main reason why. It's not his game - there are quite a few point point guards that Lin outplayed last season.
'MURICA
DeleteIt's been magnified since the start of FA. Some of it warranted (every player has weaknesses that they can work on) and other times, I'm left SMH, thinking really?
Deletehttp://youtu.be/ki6aPu6Gy3k <== Interesting analysis on Lin staying with the Rocket's with Howard. Increased points via easy layups, increased open 3's and increased assists. Just this guy's opinion.
ReplyDeleteSounds reasonable
Deletepv is a calm guy.
DeleteThe irony is that if Lin had performed to expectations and put up better numbers, say 17 pts 8 assists per game ... Morey would have a much easier time trading his contract, and Lin would be gone already.
ReplyDeleteLet's face it, last season wasn't about making the playoffs. Morey showed that by trading away Patrick Patterson and Marcus Morris, 2 starting PF's mid season. Last season was ALL ABOUT MAKING JAMES HARDEN LOOK LIKE A SUPERSTAR. And they did just that.
They gave Harden the ball so he can score more points, downplayed his poor defense and blamed that on Lin, downplayed his ball-hogging and high turnovers.
When Harden turns the ball over or bricks a bad shot, it's completely OK. But if Lin has a turnover or misses a shot ... he should be benched immediately?
I guess we may have to wait until the middle of the season, when several teams will evaluate their rookie PG's like Alec Burke - Utah Jazz, Victor Oladipo - Orlando Magic, or Michael Carter Williams - Philadelphia 76ers. They might find Lin is a better option.
17 points 8 assists= elite numbers. That is max player, cp3 category. CP3 numbers 18/9
DeleteLin is expected to put up elite numbers, at an average starting point guard salary??
@alcsd, good points...
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DeleteIf Harden put up those numbers, the NBA will call him an elite superstar player.
DeleteIf Lin puts up those numbers, they will call it a 'fluke', a product of the system, etc. They will still call him overpaid.
Think about it: Who would Dwight Howard respect more ... a Black player putting up All-star numbers, or an Asian player putting up All-star numbers ?
Lin's respectable stats (even though being marginalized by McFraud) fall right into the average starting PG salary.
DeleteThe new team is expected to pay him $20m total for the next two years, with $16.6 hitting the cap. That is the average point guard salary.
GMs around the league have sophisticated tools to measure players performance so I am sure they know Lin's PG usage was extremely low (or play out of position) while putting up respectable numbers.
BTW,
If Howard wants Lin to stay, Lin will because Howard is God now to Morey and McFraud.
Abc baller i dig the irony. On the flip side of irony is jlin holds the trump card. With the poison pill he has an ace in his pocket. Rockets have to play him cuz they cant sit him for that kinda money. For the life of me i think the rox know what lin offers just based on observation and their own stats tell them. If they decide to trade lin it will be to a team that really wants him in order to fork out that kinda money. And i rather have that than lin going to any old team. For morey hes always iterated that you need 3 superstars to win a championship. Lin and asik is the means to that end. Morey and les played their cards extremely well in setting up the team for the future. I digress, so lin holds the trump card either way he goes or stays. Dwight will like lin. No big man wants to run up and down the court without the ball, period. Thats lins specialty. You might not like a stockton comparison, but stockton didnt score a whole lot but alot of assists en route to the hall of fame.
Deleteit would be great if Lin gets traded to Orlando, BUT i would rather he goes without Asik. don't get me wrong, i like Asik's rebounds and blocks but he's a big bumbling fool on offense. the guy sets some god awful picks, does not roll fast enough, fumbles passes, and messes up opportunities down low whenever Lin got him the ball. Lin and Asik does not pair up well and McHale wanted his guards to keep feeding the dumbo beast down low every time.
ReplyDeletei don't think Lin is going anywhere now that Howard is there, like it or not, and it might be a good thing.. let's hope. if the Rockets are smart they will keep Lin, realizing that he's a great fit for Howard, even better than Harden or any pg's available through trades. Howard is an idiot so he doesn't know any better when he mentioned wanted to play with Jose, but he'll find out soon that his best chances to make it big in Houston is through Lin.
let's face it, there's no pg in the league who is as unselfish as Lin is. plus he plays great defense making life easier for Howard, he helps defend which makes life easier for everybody else, too. his outside shots are improving every day making it easier to spread to floor. he's one of very few players who can take his man off the dribble, and make great passes to the low-post or kick it out to shooters.
if McHale doesn't keep pulling his usual BS, i predict Lin to surprise a lot of people this coming season. but it all depends to McHale so i would prefer Lin gets traded to a team with a capable coach.
yeah, I love Asik as a player, works hard and unselfish. But yeah, Asik was killing Lin's assists
DeleteJust finished watching Houston v. Philly in an NBA Summer League Game. A really raw (9 TO)looking PG named Carter-Williams went for 25 against Patrick Beverley (weird, the box score says PB committed 7 fouls) The Rox would be crazy to start him over Lin. Haven't seen Canaan play but if I was PB, I would be worried.
ReplyDeleteI heard from feignemthat PB played great and he won't have a chance to play more games because he was so good. This is a complete opposite of that account.
DeleteGetjie, you were at the game? How did Beverly play? Is feigne's assessment (see Solidz75's entry above) accurate?
DeleteNo, just watched on NBA TV. Commentators did give a generally positive review of Beverley, and yet, Dennis Scott, who would know, described him as a nice little backup. Sorry, I never bother to read any posts by Solidz75 so I don't know what that's about. I'm only giving my opinion of what I saw.
Deletehttp://www.nba.com/games/20130707/HOUPHI/gameinfo.html?ls=slt
Deletei don't think we should judge too much from one game, either positive or negative.
http://www.nba.com/rockets/video/games/sixers/2013/07/07/20130707-sl-hou-phi-recap.nba/index.html
DeleteWaaaaa..sorry, I never bother to read Solidz posts cause I'm cool like that. He is so mean and uses bad words. Can't believe he would quote feignen to counterpoint my astute observations. Like my name, amma gitmoney yo. Imma let u know I ignore his posts because I'm afraid he will shit on me if I disagree with him.
Deletejust do what i do, post under different names.
DeleteI want to clear up some myths people seems to have about Lin's contract and some dubious claims made by some posters.
ReplyDelete1. Lin has a favorable contract with 8 mil cap space:
Wrong. People say cap space is the only thing that matters - not when your actual salary is almost double that amount. Teams are without a doubt looking at this possibility of having to pay him 15 mil two years from now - making his contact unfavorable. You think if Lin's contact was 4 - 4 - and 17 at average cap space of 8 mil, they will still treat it favorably? That burden of 15 mil on the third year clearly a risk a team has to take.
2. Lin will bring in enough with Chinese sponsorship to make up for the difference.
Lets look at this logically here. If this were truly the case, why would the rox even think to trade Lin? It's not that rox think Lin is a horrible player. It's that for the pg role the rox are envisioning, jetemy's salary isnt justifiable because in their view, Beverley ( or someone else) can do the same at lesser money. If Lin was bringing in that much money ( enough to pay off his contact), and the rox view Lin and Bev the same quality .. Would they even think to trade him?? Would les Alexander in his billionaire mind, let a cash cow go? Think about it.
The truth of the matter is Lin's sponsorship is good but not as high as some people think it is. The Knicks knew that. The rox know that. A lot of the things liin brings in is shared ( increase in NBA interest). A lot of local money Lin brings is good but not at the cost of paying a player 15 mil.
Les already has a solid footing in china ( with Yao) and has non nba related businesses that bebfit firm affilitatin. To think that all will disappear because Lin leaves is naive. Even some people mentioned that Lin is not even as popular as we think he is as. The Rox know this and hence, Lin is on the trading block.
3. Lin is viewed as an great player by other gms.
This is probably not true. The point one and two above would be irrelevant, if the gms had a favorable view of Lin. I really don't think they believe Lin to be that player. I think they know he struggled - only some seem to understand that it was because if the way he was utilized. Gms want asik. You can believe that the prevailing opinion of the gm is not as favorable as we believe it to be.
So in the end, u have a player viewed to be average with a contact that may be viewed as being unreasonable . Bad situation - little interest.
I have no doubt though that morey will find a way to trade him - but he doesnt have the upper hand in this negotiation.
Just be mindful that they may showcase Lin a little to get his value up early in the season and when we as Lin fans are happy to see him play well, he will be gone - analogous to Lin being pulled by Mchale when we think he us playing well.
obviously there are two sides to everything. we don't really know how teams structure their deals to use cap space to their advantage. we don't really know how much the Rockets are benefiting off of Chinese money. but i'll try to tackle #3. gm's watch games too, they're supposedly not the average knee-jerking fan types that listens to or read articles and get easily swayed by it. it is obvious to us Lin's fans that his value is a lot higher than average fans give him credit for, that's because we actually watch his games. it is a GM's job to get the best players for their team's needs at the best possible value. with Lin's youth, athleticism, size, smarts, and fan base, it is not too difficult for some GM's to make a point to sign him.
DeleteAnd yet at to this point, still nobody wants Lin yet.
DeleteMy point is this glaring lack of interest to take him on is quite revealing. Talented young pg with incredibly high ceiling with significant extra income from off Asia that can essentially pay off his contract. What is there not to like? Why is he still on the roster?
DeleteMorey is desperate to clear up cap space for a third superstar. And he can't give him away.
The sad truth is they do not see what we see. Even when Lin carves up their own team.. They still are non believers. It's effin crazy how much it takes for them to believe that an Asian kid can play ball. To them he is still a fad that has passed.
At least whoever takes him this time will be someone who believes in his potential And not as a pawn in a grand scam. I don't think there is a gm as devious and ruthless as that moon face. He is creating an environment where if you are not a superstar, u are on the block. That is some toxic envt to work in.
well, after Smith signed with the Pistons, there aren't a lot of players available that the Rockets would even want. i'm not even sure they are even shopping Lin/Asik. plus, who's to say teams aren't knocking on Morey's door with lowball offers and getting turned down? i'm more and more convinced each day that past, Lin/Asik won't be traded. especially after they signed Cassipi which shows that the pieces are in placed and they are now just filling the roster. so, unless a team comes up with an offer Morey can't turn down, Lin/Asik is a Rockets.
DeleteI've got a great idea, Solidz.
DeleteSince you're so pally with KHuang, maybe you could sic our resident dingbat on selected GMs. Get him to try to convince them that Lin is "the best young PG in the NBA" who "has no holes in his game" while pointing to his "enormous production" last season.
Perhaps like KHuang's "fans" on this site, a couple of those GMs are demented enough to buy the spiel.
Worth a try, no?
What's with the flaming, Fanforlife?
DeleteYou still angry at the short people you say you hate?
And while you're continuing the personal attacks, how about you expounding on the weaknesses in Lin's game?
DeleteIf you're gonna use Lin's name to trash me, at least put up a good basketball reason to do so.
By the way, I agree with Solidz75's assessment here.
So C'MON, Fanforlife. Name the weaknesses in Lin's game then.
If Lin is a must-trade commodity, I hope he's traded before the season begins, then it's a win-win for both Lin and the Rox as Lin will have a full training camp with the new team while the Rox get to put Lin's replacement in the practise with the whole team.
DeleteThis FA circus is crazy, roller coater ride...exasperating!
I agree, livyrlife.
DeleteThen again, Lin has NEVER had a training camp in which the team that he worked with in preseason was the same team he had when the season started.
Kevin McHale actually fought more with Kevin Martin than he did with Lin, even going so far as to remove Martin out of the starting lineup. Yet when Martin returned for his 2nd year with McHale, McHale praised his improvements. Perhaps McHale was just talking up Martin for trade value.
Maybe McHale will be happier with Lin this time around. Who knows.
The only thing that can save Lin's career now is DIVINE intervention. It's good that Lin is religious because that will at least provide him with hope.
ReplyDeleteHe seems to have found himself in worse situation than last year with even higher stakes.
At least, he can take some solace in knowing that he will be 25 mil richer ( sarcasm) .
No matter how rich u r, it sucks knowing that a team does not want you. Money wouldn't provide any peace for me if I were in his situation. What da eff are his agents doing?
Who knows perhaps Dwight, Harden, Parsons, McHale, and Morey got infected with AIDS during their off season party.
DeleteIs that too far or should I held back?.... Nah
Solidz, I don't think you could've said it a better way.
DeleteA divine intervention made Linsanity possible and we are witnessing how many people for many egoistic reasons have been suppressing it than cultivating it.
Only a divine intervention through unpredictable turns of events and change of hearts would bring back Linsanity again.
Somewhere in the gym, Lin needs to work harder than ever waiting for another chance to step off the bench to seize his moment.
What an interesting but irritating time for Lin fans to wait for that time.
I can't believe all the people who think the sky is falling. What a golden chance for Jeremy to win a ring in his second full season in the NBA! As we saw in NY, Jeremy thrives with a big man who can catch and finish. Jeremy did his best with Asik, but Asik had trouble catching passes and missed a ton of layups. Opening day starting line up: Howard/Harden/Lin/Parsons/? = Exciting basketball!
DeleteI believe its already a divine intervention. If Lin would've played better Howard might not had signed with Rockets because Harden's numbers wouldn't be impressive and then Lin would probably be traded to a horrible team. If Lin would have played worst, he would def be traded by now to a horrible team. However, the way that last season went I think gives hope to Lin and owners that he has improved and will still improve and that next season will be a great season for him.
DeleteRox became a contender yes, are they doing to be a Champ next yr? I seriously doubt it. And when you are not a Champ, you lost games, who is to blame? oh.....answer to that is obvious.
DeleteThis is where I think Lin can shine and turn a contender into a championship caliber team. He did it in NY for Novak and Fields and he did it in Houston for Asik and Parsons. I don't get why people want Jeremy to go play for a rebuilding team like Orlando when he has a chance to win rings in Houston? Jeremy will average 10 assists a game with this lineup. Harden/Lin/Parsons/Asik/Howard is a devastating starting 5. Beverly, Garcia, Smith, Jones, DMo off the bench. Can't wait for the season to start!
DeleteIt's not that we don't think Lin fits into this team. In fact, noone thinks that Lin wouldn't excel with Dwight - a much more polished center than asik.
DeleteIt's that the vibe we are getting from the rox is effed up. They clearly do not see what we see, trying aggressively to trade him. Where there is smoke, there is fire. Morey doesn't see Lin as an integral part of the team. That is where we feel like Lin 's career is on shaky grounds.
My outlook for this season is guarded. I'm expecting the worst but obviously hoping for the best.
I really thought Lin had the chance to shine last year when morey proclaimed that this was going to be Lin's team. We all know that turned out. Fool me once, morey u Moonfaced POS.
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ReplyDeleteBreaking news: Jeremy Lin got traded to QingDao Eagles. Lin will be revoking his US citizenship and return to his ancestral home and will be representing CCCP in future international games. Trade was orchestrated by Yao and Les to further promote cross cultural and business goodwill. Jeremy tweeted that God's fingerprints are all over this decision and is a sign that his real purpose in life is to promote his brand of basketball and faith overseas to an even wider audience.
ReplyDeleteOh, in return, Les got minority shares in QingDao beer/brewery. This will help Les get foot hold in China's alcoholic beverage market to distribute Les' wines.
DeleteIt's not April 1st yet...
DeleteHow about "PROC" instead of "CCCP"?
Delete"CCCP" in Russian = "USSR" in English
Yes, but according to sources Lin will be playing for mother russia in exchange for an aircraft carrier.
DeleteAh... I did not know that. Thanks for the tip.
Deletefor me anywhere but hr/nyk/gsw, these 3 teams will definitely marginalize him, especially hr(at least in nyk & gsw jlin has some fan support)
ReplyDeletejlin plays well w/ his c/pf & they know it but sorey & mcfail will not let jlin outshine their favorite sons & jh/cp will not like it, the ball would either be w/ haren/cunning parsons25 & sometimes pb &/or their rookie pg & they wld sit him the moment he's having a wonderful assist game(remember the 1st q of the 1st game vs okc in tc)
the waiting for the unknown things to happen is such an agony but rest assured jlin you have my support whichever team you may end up w/
I think if by the time the preseaon starts if Jeremy is still on the team he will get more touches and more opportunity to shine. It will either be because they want to see if it can actually work or because they are increasing his trade value to make a trade. So I think we will see Linsanity 2.0 beginning of next year but will have to see which of these two scenarios it is. Hopefully when they give him the chance he will blow everyone away and they will keep him. If Jeremy and Parson's come along with Dwight Howard on the team they could go very far.
DeleteLin, so far (after his first full season as a starter) is an above average starting point guard in NBA (not a perennial All-Star (yet?) or Hall of Famer (ever?), but he has shown tremendous upside, not just in terms of (unsustainable) Linsanity 1.0 offensive statistics, but, like I think it was Eric Musselman said, Lin has the capability to change the outcome of a game, something that is very difficult to do at NBA level.
ReplyDeleteCritics want to point to his inconsistency, but in biggest games (excluding game 1 of playoffs where he made knuckelhead foul less than 1 minute into game and lost all of his defensive aggressiveness as result, or later performances where he was hobbled by chest contusion), e. g. San Antonio game without Harden, LA Clippers game without Harden, Memphis loss (where is totally contained Mike Conley and performed incredibly well in ultimate loss), he has repeatedly shown the ability to make game changing play (ala D. Wade, who is clutch just like Lebron isn't (always clanging shots off rim when game is really on line, then D Wade puts them over top, and then Lebron makes meaningless shot that seals victory D. Wade already delivered), and against very high level competition.
Patrick Beverley still comes across as a solid journeyman NBA player, whose game saving shot blocking abilities won't be needed now that Dwight is protecting rim, seems much more suited to back-up point guard, or change of pace in your face defensive specialist. His best moments came when Lin, Harden, and Parsons were all on floor representing legitmate threads to drive, shoot, or pass, and left lots of space for Beverley to take advantage of. When he is in instead of Lin, he just becomes the dribble it up court, pass it to Harden, and get out of the way non-factor on court.
I hope Lin stays with Rockets, but my guess is that it has much more to do with whether Harden is willing to share the ball with him, and what the Rockets salary structure looks like in a few years with two max contract players and Lin and Asik also on payroll (and Chandler Parsons wanting to get paid, too).
Actually, maybe it was Hubie Brown who marveled, during Linsanity 1.0, how Lin could change the outcome of a game, something that he said was very, very difficult for a player to do at NBA level.
DeleteAs has been true throughout his career, it's his intangibles (that don't necessarily shown up in box scores or stat sheets), that makes Lin special.
Jeremy always has been a team first player and can turn a marginal team into a good team and a good team into a championship team. The Rockets need a player exactly like Lin. I predict he will be in the top 5 in assists and steals this year. He's got confidence in his 3 point shot as well and will be named the most improved player of the year.
Deletei like what d'antoni said about jlin after the 02/19/12 nyk vs mavs game:
Deletethe game that he had, that's ridiculous. it just seems the harder the moment, the better he shoots the ball. he makes big plays. he's definitely fearless. the thing that you can't teach is what he has inside, his heart. you just can't teach that, and he has it. his brain, his heart, it's huge
NBA is all about individual stats and all the marketing is built on top of that. It's sad but the reality is that no team player (i.e. JLin) will be appreciated and valued in all situations.
DeleteU don't need to tell us how good Lin is. U r preaching to the choir.
DeleteThe problem is very little number of people in power in nba (gm) seem to acknowledge ( or even want to accept) this. Otherwise there would be takers lining up to make this deal.
Teams like Detroit, Atlanta, and Orlando.. I mean come in, we know Lin could make a difference on these teams. BUT NO ONE ELSE SEES IT. And the team who we were made to believe that they beloved in turned out to be a big scam.
It would be in NBA 's best interest to have Lin succeed ( I mean dont they remember Linsanity?), but whether its the refs, the team or the league, noone seems to care too much.
"Teams like Detroit, Atlanta, and Orlando"
DeleteDetroit has a young PG that they invested a 1st round pick on (#8 overall) in 2011. He gave them 13 ppg and 4 apg on a terrible team last year. They also don't want Asik because they have Greg Monroe, #7 overall in 2010, who averaged 16 ppg and 9 apg.
Atlanta just drafted a pg at #17 overall.
Even if Orlando wanted Lin over Jameer Nelson, the Rockets would not accept an older, lesser, more expensive player back in a trade.
U r getting the wrong idea, unknown. I know they drafted the pg's. that is why Lin is less likely to go to them.
DeleteMy point is these are the teams that needed pg's before the draft. Lin's trade talk started right before the draft. Why wouldn't these eams with an obvious need at pg take an unproven draft pick over a "proven" pg? Obviously they thought lin wasn't worth the money and that these unproven players will be much better value at a lower price point.
This is exactly why I do not believe there is interest out there for Lin. These teams took draft pick over Lin when Lin was being shopped around. Would u as a gm do that?
I'm sure Lin is pissed off right now. I remember how initially pissed off he was when the Knicks didn't match (source Pablo Torres si article). He said something to the extent of how he completely shut himself out form everyone for a few days. I think this is worse because I really think he trusted the rox to an extent. Why would they give me all this money to take away from the Knicks unless they really wanted me? He probably thought. But he was duped like the rest of us. That betrayal of trust is going to be hard to swallow as someone who seems to be loyal.
I think Harden will be a little less selfish this year for a variety of reasons. He's only 23, he's getting better too. Next season he should be a better basketball player.
ReplyDeleteGood. Now u can take that comment to Clutchfans or shove it up to butt, u class 5 Lin fan.
DeleteWha? BF aint so bad, Solidz.
Delete@Solidz:
DeleteIf you have that attitude, your existence as a Lin fan will be an unhappy one. Lin is going to play with other good players, and those other good players are going to want to be superstars with big contracts too. No NBA franchise is going to build a team with Lin and a bunch of guys. Even Linsanity only happened because Melo and Stoudemire were injured. No one is going to build a team like that - with catch-and-shoot guys on the perimeter and guys in the paint with no low post offensive game - on purpose.
It is hilarious that folks who bash Harden want Lin to go to the Lakers and play with an even bigger ball hog in Bryant, as if D'Antoni being the head coach is going to make a difference. If D'Antoni puts the ball in Lin's hands instead of Bryant's, Bryant gets D'Antoni fired just like Melo did.
Bamboo Forest is the every-man version of Jonathan Feigen, i.e. he's the worst.
DeleteHe aspires to be mediocre.
DeleteLiving average is pretty good sometimes, JK.
DeleteUnknown, u r exactly right.. I am a very unhappy and frustrated Lin fan.
DeleteI think perhaps my expectation for him are too high -not high on his skill level but what kind of player Lin can realistically become in this prejudiced environment. I completely agree that NBA gms are not going to hand over the reins to Lin. He seems to be viewed an overpaid average pg at best. And that reality freakinf pisses me off.
But for now I am keeping my hopes up, however unhappy I may be this season. But if this happens again, I will have to alter my expectations for him- for the sake of my sanity.
Solidz, maybe you can alter expectations now so you can enjoy everything from now until he leaves the NBA. It'll put you in control rather than have to be victim as a fan to the whims of Rox FO.
DeleteThe world is full of Asian or people of all underdog journeys who never got a chance but still strived and lived happily and contributed lots. Attitude, bro, and then you have that power in reserve for when you need to grasp that brass ring! (not meaning to preach, just sayin' you can use attitude as a tool - you can be positive or pessimistic anytime, as a choice because it's a tool to use as you want).
Nope. I will not compromise at least until I know there is absolutely no hope. It's been only one season. To early to just alter it. If I thought Lin's potential was going to be that if Shane battier, don't think I would be all into this having to deal with the khuang and the likes. But I'm a realist. Give it another season ( with my league pass) to see how it goes. If another season like the last then I give up.
Delete@Solidz:
Delete"I completely agree that NBA gms are not going to hand over the reins to Lin. He seems to be viewed an overpaid average pg at best. And that reality freakinf pisses me off."
Do you really think that reputations in the NBA are built off 12 regular games leading a bunch of backups? OK, fine. Tell me who else in the NBA has ever built their reputation as an all-star, franchise player that way. For everyone else it takes several years of playing at a high level including success in the playoffs.
Lin was able to parlay those 12 games into a starting job in the NBA. Again, into being one of the 150 human beings on the planet that are NBA starters. Now he has a chance to build on that. You guys act like Linsanity means that Lin should be leapfrogged over guys who have been playing at a high level in the NBA for 7-8 years. It doesn't and it shouldn't.
Ok, but just to let you know, I am hoping for a HOF career but I'm managing my own expectations because even Jackie Robinson wasn't able to get as far as Willie Mays with all the extra overhead he had to deal with. Sometimes, it's more fun to break the mold, and that's how I live with the ups and downs. Personally, I'd love to see the Lin/D12 alley oops that we missed this year, but I sure would like to not care about HOU given the FO. Maybe D12 can change that once he gets used to his fast food from Lin.
DeleteAs for LP, service level is not good. 1/3 the time I could not watch on carrier streaming, so I had to find a wifi. Cust svc was no help. I read MLB has their act together.
Unknown u r jumping into conclusions here. I also don't expect an NBA team to build around Lin. That is not why I'm frustrated. The only opportunity I want Lin to have is to be able to PLAY AS THE PG OF THE TEAM. Not this make shift bullshit that Mchale has him playing.
DeleteLin doesn't even play point with harden on the bench. WTF is that?!
He doesn't have to be treated like a superstar. No need to build around him. Just let him have a chance to play point for an entire season. And then they can decide if Lin deserves more.
I have watched every game since Linsanity started. Got LP after Utah game. LP on DirectTV is great to follow your favorite player.
DeleteI'm not expecting hall of fame career. To think that is way premature. Heck I don't even know if Lin will be truly that great although I think he has that potential.
I just want him to play pg. That's it. And that simple opportunity is denied to him.
Let him have a year on a team where he can play the floor leader (pg) and let the world see if he can do it.
I think what will bother me the most is if he never gets that opportunity - and just fades away after his contract is up.
This is funny. Why would the Rockets want Al Harrington, 33 years old who gets 5 points and 2 rebounds a game and is due $14 million the next 2 seasons?
ReplyDeleteAnd Jameer Nelson. Wow. The Rockets must be salivating at the prospect of getting a 31 year old whose career stats (12.6 ppg, 5.2 apg) are worse than Jeremy's last year. If Dwight Howard wanted to play with Nelson - who is a shorter, lesser talented and skilled version of Harden - he would have never left Orlando in the first place. Oh yeah, and Morey would really appreciate the $16.6 million that Nelson is getting the next 2 seasons. Nelson's CAREER fg% is .448, and he shot .392 last year without Howard. His CAREER 3 point shooting? .380, and that was with getting all those wide open shots because of Howard in the paint. Last year with no Howard? .341 on 3 point attempts. Lin shot .333 with no one in the paint and getting dumped the ball off isos with the shot clock winding down and defenders running out at him and putting hands in his face. Howard left Orlando so he wouldn't have to carry frauds like Nelson anymore.
Quentin Richardson? Even assuming that he could have been included on the deal, yep, a 33 year old 6'6" oft-injured reserve swingman who averages 7-8 ppg is exactly what the Rockets need to push them over the top, right? But hey, at least he is making "only" $1.5 million a year.
If you are going to propose trades, please pick something that actually benefits the Rockets. Not deals where the Rockets exchange 3 very promising relatively cheap under 25 players for overpaid and over the hill players from other franchises.
"I think this would be beneficial for both teams."
Sure you do. Wink wink. Here's a guide when speculating on and proposing trade deals: if they aren't guys that you would want on Lin's team, then the Rockets won't want them on their team either.
The Rockets may well move Lin, but when they do, it will be for someone that you will want to remain on Lin's team. Pretty much the only player that the Rockets would want is Glen Davis. They would trade Asik for Glen Davis straight up, but the Magic already have a similar center so they can't use him.
I don't even know why Nelson's name even came up. He and Dwight are not even on good terms after Dwight badmouthed his former team as having no good players.
DeleteD12 being the diva he is is not going to want jameer.
@Solidz:
DeleteNelson's name came up because the Rox have stated that they won't trade Lin unless they get a starting PG back. So we have this fantasy post where the Rox would for some reason accept an older, worse PG than Lin plus guys not even averaging 10 ppg as "a trade that helps both teams." It doesn't. It comes down to this: any trade that Lin fans think is a great idea will be one that the Rockets won't accept.
@Jonathan_Feigen: Rockets 'vets' Beverley, Jones impressive in 88-80 win to open summer league. Would think Beverley might not get much more pt in Orl.
ReplyDelete@Jonathan_Feigen: Beverley lobbied hard to get to play summer league. Like Parsons last yr, might be held to 1 gm. Canaan day-to-day (ankle). Next game Tue.
DeleteThis is to counterpoint getjie's observations. Too bad he doesn't read my posts. He is afraid of learning the reality.
Deletewho is getjie?
DeleteI don't really care all too much where Lin ends up as I will support him where ever he goes. If he stays in Houston he gets to play with a lot of talented players. However Howard is extremely overrated offensively and I fear that he's going to want post-ups instead of PnRs (which is his strength). Howard had this issue with Nash and the Lakers hence why he wanted to leave. If Lin get's traded it will probably be to a non-contending team looking to rebuild and I wouldn't mind that either because his usage % will go up tremendously.
ReplyDeleteLin had a fantastic season last year, don't let GMs (majority don't know basketball at all) or clueless fans get you riled up. He will be fine where ever he goes. In fact I think this will be his first offseason where he doesn't have to rehab an injury.
Realistically the only place I can see Lin ending up is Atlanta as they don't seem too keen on keeping Teague and now that they let Josh Smith go they have more cap space to bring in people.
Very nice post. Like with Lin, and Barnes above, we are not in control but the outcome will be good because Lin is the real deal and just needs minutes with team playas.
DeleteI care where Lin ends up. I want Lin to be on a good team in a situation where everyone can see the development of his game. I don't want him stuck on some marginal or worse team whose ceiling is 42-42 and a first round playoff exit just so A) Lin fans won't get nervous over Lin being replaced or someone else surpassing him as the star and B) just so Lin can lead the team in scoring.
DeleteLinsanity was great, but in the long run a team with spot up shooters, transition players and big men with no post up game that will depend on Lin to generate everything for them isn't going anywhere. It is too easy to defend especially in the playoffs (and even during the regular season teams will adapt) plus it will mean too much wear and tear on Lin because defenses will correctly come to the conclusion that the best way to beat a team that is basically Lin and a bunch of guys is to neutralize (or take out) Lin and let the other guys implode.
You can't point to a single successful NBA team that was one star and a bunch of role players. As great as even Michael Jordan was, the Bulls still went 55-27 the year he retired (the first time) because they still had Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant and a bunch of other very good players (including 2 guys capable of being the starting PG in B.J. Armstrong and John Paxson).
Being on a great - or very good - team where Lin will have to earn his opportunities when competing with other very good players is preferable to being on a mediocre team where Lin will get his role handed to him by default. Being on TV every week and going deep in the playoffs because he is on a contender is preferable to being in some outpost where maybe he will get some air time on cable or on NBA TV.
Good NBA franchises aren't just trying to make the playoffs. They are trying to win championships. Maybe you can root for a situation where Lin isn't playing with another ball-dominant guard, but it would still be a situation where guys who can create their own offense will want the ball and deserve it. So it will either be a situation like New York with Melo and Stoudemire or a situation like Houston with Harden and now Howard. Even Derrick Rose, Chris Paul, Deron Williams etc. have other scorers on their teams.
I am not saying that the Rox will keep Lin, because I predicted that the Knicks would keep Lin last year and it didn't happen. I am just saying that Lin is in a good situation to prove to his coaches - and everyone else in the NBA - that he can be a great player in situations other than Linsanity (a situation that no team is ever going to recreate on purpose and for a good reason: it doesn't win titles!) which means that his staying in it is a good thing.
The Rockets aren't going to give Lin away in a trade. Any team that gets Lin will need to be motivated by their not being particularly good already, and they will have to give up one of the few good players that they have to get Lin. I don't see how that improves his situation.
The chart on the bottom of this is not updated for latest trades, but interesting all the same. For instance, it doesn't have RW to Phillie to open up cap space for D12.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/7/6/4497948/dwight-howard-houston-rockets-daryl-morey-nba-free-agency
It's be interesting to see one with $ flows.
When you're on a forum where you say that Harden will be a higher quality player next year and then someone says that because you say that you aspire for mediocrity I think it's time to leave.
ReplyDeleteThe degree of immaturity, hostility, and intolerance on this forum extended to people who have varying opinions gets to be too much after a while. This forum offered many things I enjoyed, but the negative side has finally outstripped the positive.
And may I remind you that we are having opinions on NBA basketball, something that's largely open to interpretation. It's not a science. For example, some think that Lin is screwed next year if he stays on Rocket's. Maybe he is. But if it ends up working for him then don't try to pretend that analyzing the NBA is a science when you were dead wrong on this point.
I would prefer to hang around a concentration of people with the mindset of someone like Jeremy Lin. Someone who is indeed mature, clear headed and aspires for greatness in life as I do.
Some of you on this forum have class. And then some of you have no class and that's the problem.
Nothing wrong with being frustrated with Lin's treatment last year. But have some dignity even while you have that frustration, unless of course, that's just not a high priority for you, which makes me wonder how you approach the rest of your life.
We've all tried to wax intellectual with you.
DeleteI've personally cited numerous examples of biased refereeing, commentating, and coaching decisions when it comes to Lin. Every time a reasonable debate begins, you take an irritating perspective of blithely dismissing any factual evidence brought up, and you resort to labeling anyone who points out such evidence as a biased, irrational Lin Fan.
Through your repeated demonstration of blindly ignoring what others say, and your quickness at applying labels on Lin fans trying to point out flaws in the NBA organization, you've lost credit with anyone who's actually been following your impossible-to-understand Houston Rockets FO-centric views.
Thus, insulting you is the only viable option left. You cannot leave quickly enough.
Bamboo, good luck with whatever you are doing. Indeed most of the issues are subjective, and there is no correct answer. I already canceled League Pass, so I can maybe catch only few of the nationally televised games of Lin per year. I realized it's not worth it to watch every game to know what's happening with his game. In fact, everything regarding Lin probably has been already said.
DeleteYou can take your holier than thou attitude to clutchfan.
DeleteU can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen. I shit on people, people shit on me. If that bothers u, well u shouldn't be on an Internet forum to begin with.
Love how u try to add final insult before u leave. Yeah that is really classy.
Sorry your feelings got hurt. But trust me, Lin is not some religion. We don't need to emulate his behavior.
We are all internet warriors, so we keep on insulting people. I actually think that's the good thing about internet in that we can insult others without getting into actual fight or pulling out knives or guns.
DeleteCL site is no fun because there is no insulting/flaming (except against Lin) going on there. Besides, I am not a fan of any NBA team, although I do like Spurs mostly because I like Pop, Duncan and Parker.
DeleteBleacher report says it would be stupid to trade Lin
ReplyDeletehttp://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1697127-jeremy-lin-should-remain-with-houston-rockets
anyway i think bass and Rondo could go from Celtics. A pg and a 4. Celtics have enough 4 (olynicyk and sullinger) but no c. And without Rondo they're gonna miss a pg. I went to a Celtics forum just to see... Some people wrote it was time to repay Mchale for kg...
Celtics would be a great fit with bradley being the defender g like shump in ny, green the dunker olynicyk the stretch 4 and Asik the rebounder. It could be a great team. Let's hope jlin could end up in boston... He's got relatives there isn't it? He should have a couch to sleep :D
Hopefully this moment of uncertainty will end soon