The other chips will fall in place soon. Hopeful that things will turn out the better for JLin.
There still hopes that they may trade Lin+Asik to Lakers.
I hope so. Howard is overrated and the team (Rockets) wouldn't work if they trade Lin and Asik, which I think they will and hope so.A great thing is that Lin will be set free from the Rockets. A potentially bad thing is that the Rox (Sorey & McHell) may try to deal Lin to a losing team in hope of "we thought he was a bust" would resonate with the stone age people from the state of Texas (Austin is great though - they're pleasantly out of place).
it really doesn't matter if the team let him play his brand of basketball. If he's happy, then I'll happy for him.
Lakers wouldn't take on those contract because they want the cap room for 2014.
Jarrick Jack is available, Rockets may like him better than Lin, hopefully.
See what will happen now. Pray God.
Regardless, Jeremy Lin still needs to get out of Houston. Preferably a West Coast city - LA, Portland, GS, Sacramento. Most other basketball cities are hostile to Asian American players, even NYC which was surprising. LA is the most likely destination since the other 3 West Coast towns all have starting PG's. Staying in Houston is a dead end for him - the fans there hate him irrationally, and he will never play to his full potential next to one of the biggest ball hogs in the league in James Harden who plays PG over half the game. It's like playing next to Kobe, you become a 3-point corner role player.I really hope that LA doesn't hold out for LeBron in 2014 and just does a sign and trade with Dwight for Lin and Asik. It's a win-win. Linsanity rejoins D'Antoni, Asik keeps a starting center job sine he just lost his in Houston. LA at least gets something back instead of nothing back. And finally Howard gets his max 5 year money. Linsanity would be a lot of fun while waiting for Kobe to come back, and he would kill on that team with Gasol and Steve Nash together.
I am sorry, but in what universe is getting Lin and Asik now superior to getting LeBron James in 2014? And how is getting 2 contracts to maybe make the playoffs but not get anywhere near a title title a win-win for anyone but the bottom feeding Wizards/Bucks/Pelicans/Timberwolves/Raptors/Bobcats/Kings permanent NBA underclass? As far as Howard getting his max five year money, he can get that by just staying with the Lakers. But the Rockets without Lin and Asik are no better than the Lakers are right now: a #7 or #8 seed.
What are you talking about? You must be the same Unknown posting insane things here from since 15 months ago.1. A sign and trade of players isn't better than LeBron (captain obvious), but it is unlikely LeBron will leave a good thing in Miami for LA. Look at Dallas, they blew everything up to roll the twice and came up with nothing two seasons in a row now. Now they're screwed. Same thing for LA. Better to get some assets (that you can always trade later) than to end up with nothing. Right now LA, for a LeBron strategy, would be selling a ton of super old veterans and also the LA market, that's it. Not especially compelling, and a huge gamble. LeBron isn't going anywhere if they 3-peat next year.2. Another inexplicable point you raise, about the 5 years. Only LA can give Howard the 5 year max salary. But, Howard has chosen Houston. LA can choose to sign Howard to a max 5 year deal, then trade him to Houston to get something in return. Houston also may be on board with this to lock Howard up for 5 years instead of 4. And of course Howard would prefer 5.
Mark Heisler @MarkHeisler Now, 100,000 reports on 'possible S&T for Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin.'… Not happening. #Lakers don't want either one! Told me that specifically
Lin messed up last season. Now everyone thinks he's a sack of shit. He may have one more opportunity--he better not blow it.
His injuries better not blow it for him.
Heh heh, not everyone on this Lin fan forum thinks Lin is a "sack of shit". I enjoyed watching Lin last year, and I'll enjoy watching him next year as well - wherever he ends up. I'm not the least bit worried about where Lin ends up. He'll continue to do his job WELL.
Hey TVN, you moron, Lin messed up lady season? Really? What the fuck are you talking about? McHale marginalized him, cut his minutes and yanked him in 4th quarters. He wasn't allowed to play point guard properly and you blame him? Go fuck yourself.
Thank you, Spencer! (;~)
What is so stupid about Asian people and Asian cultures is how many of them irrationally hate on Jeremy Lin. It's so retarded. I was surprised to hear that in Taiwan and all over East Asia, a ton of fans monitor Lin's games but it's a mixed bag where a lot hate on him a lot. One thing I can't stand are these stupid Asians who hate on each other, it's one of the reasons why Asians (aside from Koreans maybe) never stick together and basically don't benefit from the same dynamics that other minority groups in America do for each other. They are eager to hate and nitpick on him.If you're a fan of Jeremy Lin, don't be one of those loser crazy sports parents living vicariously through Lin where you flip out negatively if Lin doesn't play amazing every single game.Instead - think of Lin like a brother or a sibling, who you are supporting Lin no matter what, where you know that he's a young kid who will have ups and downs, but know that he's already gone through A LOT of barriers just to even make it here, and he's still a 24 year old who just put up at worst average stats for a starting PG despite having only the 38th usage rate among PG's. Lin put up 19 and 8 in games when Harden was out, beating title contending teams. Linsanity still exists, it's just buried because he plays next to one of the biggest ballhogs in the league. The dumbest thing ever is hearing other Asian people hate on some other Asian they don't even know, just because he isn't having a perfect game every single time. Having said that, I do wish Lin were more selfish for himself and was more cold-blooded. He's the ultimate unselfish humble team player but as you see, the NBA is ruthless in moving players around all the time. If you aren't performing even for one season, they will ship you out. Lin shouldn't play his team game until he's signed to a really long max deal with someone, otherwise he should be gunning for HIS stats.
Koreans are very ethnoccentric and talk shit about other Asians, but that's life.
Anonymous: 2nd good point you made for me today (other one I quoted below). You are speaking to some Asians somehow absorbing Lin as a persona in their own psyche, and then projecting how they themselves would do better if they were Lin (like a parent living through a child). The result is a lot of flaming of Lin if he misses a shot (and Lebron airballed in the finals). You are absolutely right - if we look at Lin as a brother next to us, he's just so valuable for our own journey, in leading the way and taking some punches so we can step aside, along, in following, or ahead if we can. Thanks!
And there are people like me who won't stand for Lin being disrespecfully called "a sack of shit" and a "pussy" and other hateful terms on his own fan website. I won't back down from those Lin hating trolls, and I urge others on this site to stand up to those haters that trash not just Lin but Lin fans as well.
I'm with KHuang in that no matter what, I know Lin has amazing game and I support him even if he has a bad game. I've followed Lin for a long time, since college when no one knew him, and I knew he always had legit game that was overlooked from HS to college, college to pros, and then passed over on multiple pro teams. Overcoming unconscious and also societal discrimination at every level of his sports life has already been an amazing story. I'm rooting for Lin more like a brother than living vicariously like a psycho sports parent nitpicking a little leaguer. The kid is only 24 years old and finished his first full NBA season, after barely playing elite competition (not his fault or choosing) in college.
No sign and trade with the Lakers. Dwight Howard is coming to the Rockets straight up, so there is no one for the Lakers to sign or trade. The Lakers never wanted Lin or Asik. When they saw that they were going to lose Howard - after Kobe Bryant humiliated Howard during a meeting when the team was SUPPOSED trying to convince him to come back - they scrambled to try to do a last minute sign and trade with Golden State, because the Warriors had pieces that the Lakers actually wanted. But they decided to let Howard walk rather than get Lin and Asik in return. The reason is that in 2014, there will be a bunch of free agents available, and by not getting Lin and Asik, the Lakers will be able to get at least 2 of them.The only other team that I saw a sign and trade deal being talked about was Atlanta. But that came entirely from the Rockets, who would have liked to play Howard at center and Josh Smith at PF. But the deal would have made absolutely no sense to Atlanta, who had two #1 picks in this draft and used one on a pg (Dennis Schroeder from Germany) and another on a center (Lucas Nogueira), meaning that they need a SG and a SF, not a PG and a center.
sorry to disagree with you about the 2014 free agent class. Other than Labron and Melo, who else really can help the lakers to become a contender? I would bet that Labron will never join the Lakers as long as Kobe is still there (3 more years he said). I also would bet that Melo will not leave NY the way he had forced the trades back then.Unless someone offered Jeff Teague a contract that is more that what Lin is paid, I don't think Atlanta will trade for Lin but they will gladly trade for Asik. My hope is still Lakers would take a chance for Asik+Lin+some picks assuming they like Calderon (he is free agent right?).But then again, you never know. :)
D'antoni already wanted to.play jeremy next to another pg. He tried with baron davis in training but davis reinjuried and melo came back. He could play a european basketball with two pg and 3 pointers. If Kobe is on board they will win the title. I know lakers they don't want sign and trade but i suppose Kobe nash and gasol don't want to waste another year.... Especially cause they're at the end of their carreers.... Lakers sponsor will be vocal too cause 1) they don't want a tanking season 2) lakers asian market.I saved on My phone the pic via posted some weeks ago... Jlin & nash talking together.... It really could mean something. If via wants to post that again :D
@Spotless mind:Please understand. What D'Antoni wants is absolutely irrelevant. D'Antoni has no power in Los Angeles. He has less power than the GM, owner and Kobe at least and probably other players. The Lakers hired D'Antoni only because they started out terribly last season, and because no one else they talked to wanted the job. They would fire D'Antoni in a heartbeat if he gave them half a reason to, or if Kobe were to decide he doesn't want him anymore. So no thinking that D'Antoni is going to get to run his team and build his system with his players. Instead, they are going to go after the players that the GM, owner and Kobe wants and it will be D'Antoni's job to coach them.
This makes a perfect sense for the Lakers.I also had a strong feeling that the Lakers didn't want Lin because he has yet to prove himself, which he didn't get the chance to due last season for a couple of reasons..... I still hope Lin can go to Utah, if he can stand the cold weather.
@ztrta:Please name the player that the Rockets would get back from Utah. If you can't, then Lin isn't going there.
In fact i talked about sponsor, they do count :D and players too, but in smaller part. I know D'antonicould be gone in a heartbeat
Lol. Unknown trying to act like he's the end all know it all. Every post is tell me .. Like he has any power to make a trade happen or not happen. People are just venting because they want Lin to GTFO. Chill da eff out.
Good post, unknown. What you described is how the NBA has worked for decades. Trades have to be perceived to be working for both sides. Often that doesn't correspond with what would actually be good from a basketball standpoint.
Hahaha... That's true about the Unknown; he needs to write a song titled "Tell Me, Tell Me":Tell me tell me, which team has the piecesFor Lin and Asik... who are their aces
Hold off a minute. Deal hasn't been announced yet. The Warriors are still in it.
no they aren't. they've also been informed they are out.
@WindhorstESPN: Rockets center Omer Asik has no interest in backing up or playing next Dwight Howard, according to sources. Could force trade.Asik, as quiet as he is, is looking out for his own self interest. Lin could learn from this. Forcing a trade when things are not in his best interest , instead if just accepting it. U treat yourself like a second tier commodity, u get treated like one.
True, but for all you know, that's why "Lin to Detroit rumors" are happening.Jeremy could be saying through his agent: "Love you guys, but if you just want me to feed James and Dwight, maybe we both better off parting ways..."
Ha ha. As if anyone but Asik actually cares what Asik wants.
I know I'm projecting, but it pisses me off to see Lin get marginalized like this. The rox don't want him. The lakers don't want him. No team wants him.All the warning signs were there that the rox were not in Lin for Long haul last season. Lin just took it. Now what does he have to show for it?
What does Lin have to show for his stint with the Rockets?1) A nice multimillion dollar contract2) An entire regular season played as a NBA starter3) Experience in combatting the multiple schemes laid out for him4) Our interest on jeremylin.netA NICE haul.
Only u would think Lin is a better position now than last year. Yup u the delusional optimist. U make us feel so much better.
Yes, I am totally optimistic that Lin is a better player than he was last year. I respect your right to disagree with that.
Lin IS a better player than last year. His turnovers are down, and with a dramatically lower usage rate he still put up the same assists and points a game. After the all star break he shot 40% from 3-point-land the last 3 months of the season.So basically on multiple levels, Jeremy Lin is better than last year. One note is Lin didn't have a quantum leap in improvement (he never has), so I don't want to hear the media saying he got way better again when Linsanity comes back (which it will when he actually gets to play his game on a different team). It was infuriating hearing idiots like Keith Smart and others claim that Lin got WAY better since he played for them, to explain why so many people missed out on him. Truth is Lin has always been good, from HS to college, college to pros, he never had a quantum leap in improvement. It'a always been there and he just needs opportunity.
Nice word change khuang. U really think Lin is in a better POSITION than last year? Learn how to read u self professed "moron".
Although Lin is not in a better position with Rockets than he was with Knicks, I agree that Lin was a better player with Rockets than Knicks. However, I was very disappointed with his lack of performance during playoffs (due to injury, etc.) and his lack of confidence during first playoff game against OKC (yes, I know everyone sucked during first game). I know a lot of people focus on playoff performance, which is the reason why Parson's perceived value went up among GMs. I also have a new found respect for Bev because he played confidently.
Ah Solidz75, you're just pissed that Lin wasn't making minimum wage playing for your lying cheating Knicks that really did marginalize him. Lin appears very happy with his game and contract this offseason. Now we'll see what happens next season.
Lin "is not in a better place with the Rockets than with the Knicks?, eb5attorney? Statements like this from you are why I consider you a LIN HATER. You WANT to see Lin paid minimim wage, to be benched for most of the season, to be lied to by his franchise, to be kicked off the team, and to be trashed in the tabloids.You and Solidz75 are both HATERS of lin.
I think Solidz is a legit Lin fan. TVN and attorney are those other fans I described earlier, ridiculous haters living vicariously who flip out if he doesn't play perfect every game. I think Solidz knows Lin has game and is just frustrated Lin is buried, he recognizes Lin's true skill and potential isn't being allowed to shine right now
Maybe he knows hes a 'second tier commodity' to just accept things. I just don't see this guy as that much of a good ol yes man/pushover without reason. He already acknowledged his godly incredible run thanking god over and over and is probably more than thankful for his huge Houston contract.
KHuang, you are an idiot. Read what I wrote: I said Lin is not in a better position with Rockets than with Knicks because he doesn't get to play a true PG, which he did with Knicks. I said nothing against Lin getting paid good money by Rockets. You are not only an idiot but constantly try to distort what I wrote. KHuang, read before you post anything, you devious TROLL.
via is right about you in that you constantly twist what others write when they disagree with you on some topics. I at least don't twist others' words.
Oh please, troll. Lin SAT mostly in NY. Didn't even play, and then he got kicked off the team. You of all people as a Lin basher should be HAPPY Lin destroyed your Knicks only twice last season.
In the words of Joey Lawrence and Keanu Reeves: "WHOA."PLEASE send J-Lin to Detroit. There's no doubt in my mind, he'd lead Monroe, Drummond and Singler to the playoff in a weak Eastern Conference. S&T with the Lakers is okay, too. Might have to 6th man under Nash when Kobe returns, but it's only one year while learning from the master and being able to play "his game" under MDA, if only for 25mpg.
Name the player that Detroit has that the Rockets want. If you can't, Lin isn't going there.
Calderon in a S&T. It's been in the rumor mill.
not exactly. If lin can play off guard with Harden, they can do it better with Nash. And Nash is not really dominated the ball like he used to. Both can starts and inter changeable, IMHO. :)Nash, Lin, Pau, MWP, Kobe (when healthy), not too bad a line up and may sneak into the playoff.Lin + Asik + Dmo + White + Cash, I like it, let's do it.
Lin will be gone soon
Sure. Just tell me the team that wants him and what player that the Rockets actually want that they'll get back. Simple as that.
Unknown. Don't act like u r mr basketball. U don't know shit.
Dwight supposedly wants to play with Calderon. Seriously. He's an UFA and Detroit would him for nothing, so they might as well do a S&T. Meanwhile, Detroit is desperate to gamble on overrated, fan-hated players like Rudy Gay and Josh Smith, so even if they have a low opinion of J-Lin, I can see them "gambling" on him. Who else are they gonna get? Only "comparable" PGs like Teague and Jack are available and they don't want to come to Detroit unless they're overpaid. Neither has J-Lin's marketing appeal either to get butts in seats.Detroit has also seen a team led by non-superstar Billups win a title and get to another finals the next year.
Solidz75. Don't act like u r mr basketball. U don't know shit.
Why does Dwight and reportedly the Lakers want Calderon? Why is Calderon considered better than Lin? Shakes head.
He's not, but he's a good "off-ball" PG.He takes care of the ball (great A/T ratio) and shoots the 3 well..and that's it. No defense or penetration or finishing at the rim.But it's what a team with a ball-dominant SG would be interested in.
I agree with Unknown. At the moment, both Lin and Asik are Rockets. Nobody's ruling out a trade either. Much can change before the February 2014 trading deadline next season.
"At the moment..." = famous last wordsI think Dwight ultimately chose Houston because they're the ones who can make the most moves on his behalf...and do it ASAP.Asik doesn't want to be a backup and can't play PF. Jeremy is not necessary with ball-dominant SG. It just makes too much sense for everyone -- Dwight, Omer, Jeremy -- to want trades to be made ASAP (uncertainty is the worst).
I hope Jeremy is working behind the scenes to ask for a trade. If I were Lin, I'd be furious about Morey's duplicity.
You guys just started following Lin? No he is not working behind the scenes asking for a trade. No he is not furious at Morey or anyone else.
Funny Lin has yet to tweet about d12 joining. He knows what's up.
must be a conspiracy. oh noes
Motor City?Or City of Angels?Who's playing PG in Philly with Jrue gone?
but Patrick Beverley already has! lolhttps://twitter.com/patbev21
Patrick Beverley is sneaky little piece of shit. hes sucked Harden off since he realised his chances in taking Lins role and PArsons,too. he`s like McHales little hard working lap dog who is a perfect fit for the PG spot as Houston wants it to be. I hate him with a passion
Oh come on.He's just a guy fighting hard for a spot on a roster. He hasn't done anything to J-Lin. In fact, they seem like buddies if anything else.Only OKC fans should hate him, ha. It wasn't a mean-spirited play, but Bev's clumsiness 100% ruined their title chances last year.
How is Beverly going to take Parsons spot lol
Still holding out hope dwight goes to gsw. Lakers owe jerry west one fir pau gasol.
How obtuse are u?
Fuck off. I think thats the only language u understand
Lol. U r right, u reffig moron. Holding out hope. FOH
I find such irony in everything you say.
Yeah I'm still holding onto hope that Knicks match Houston's offer. Yeah I'm the stupid one.
Wtf. I never said that. You really proved you are stupid.
U know what an analogy is? Go look it up einstein.Btw are u still holding on to hope d12 signs with gsw?
What a stupid analogy.
Not as stupid as your stupid hope.
@Chris_Broussard: I'm told Hawks and Rockets working on sign&trade to bring Josh Smith to Hou, probably for Asik and JLinWho plays point for Atlanta?
Jeff Teague is a restricted free agent and they just drafted a PG.
Perhaps they will take him?
Jeff Teague...but he's an UFA. So I'd guess they won't re-sign him -- even J-Lin haters wouldn't say that Teague is in a class above Lin. GMs would probably "demean" Jeremy by saying he's merely as good as Teague...but with more marketing appeal.
As long as he has a chance to play point.. Don't care.
Oh, he's restricted.I don't see how they match if they get Lin -- unless Teague accepts a crappy contract. The PG they drafted ain't close to ready (he's no Burke or even McCollum).One bright spot is that Jeremy has DESTROYED Atlanta and Teague whenever he's played them. So Ferry might have a better opinion of him than most. It's dumb, but that's how people work -- it's why HOU fans are so tepid on Millsap -- he always sucks when he plays Houston.
Not too worried about Lin not fitting in Atlanta, because if he goes there, he could be'll be eligible to be traded around December.
Actually he could be traded right away, if it's a straight up trade, and not in a package.
If Atlanta gets him and lets him play PG? He's not going anywhere because he'll have that team in the playoff easily while putting up 18/8. Horford, Korver and spare parts are enough for J-Lin.Lou Williams is still there, but he's definitely a combo-guard, not point. An ideal 6th man who likes to catch-and-shoot, so he'd be perfect alongside Jeremy.
Agree with z. Let Lin play point for half the season, they wiill try their best to keep him. Lin only needs a legit chance.
Hawks also have a nice center they draft whom I think could be a huge steal -- Mike Muscala. He's a smart guy from Bucknell (small, high quality academic school), so I'd bet he'd get along with Jeremy in an instant. He also has actual, simple post moves and a great mid-range J. And he rebounds like crazy. I'd still prefer Detroit over Atlanta because Pistons have no quality PGs on the roster (less chance for J-Lin to get shafted) and Monroe and Drummond are such great bigs for J-Lin.
Lin better not fuck up again. No more excuses. The League views you as a back up dude. Do something bout it.
The views expressed by TVN are not necessarily the views of actual Lin fans on this Lin fan forum. The amount of hate fired at Jeremy Lin for having an excellent career is mindboggling. Many players like Ricky Rubio and John Wall and Jose Calderon get praised so much more for so much less game. I love Lin's game and consider him head and shoulders above any non All Star point guard. He will continue to succeed because he is simply too overwhelmingly great a talent.
Just ignore people like TVN, they're worthless fans. They're like those psycho parents who live vicariously through their kids in little league, flipping out if their kid doesn't play perfect every time.Lin didn't F up. He played out of position this year and wasn't given a chance. Despite this, he shot 40% from 3 the last 4 months of the season. He put up 19 and 8 and beat title contenders in games that Harden sat out. His turnovers went down, and he put up the same assists and points per game despite having a dramatically lower usage rate.Only completely ignorant "fans" would blame Lin.
To be fair, TVN isn't talking about J-Lin's talent. He's talking about J-Lin's perception, which is unfairly and racist-ly underrated.I don't think J-Lin effed up -- he was hobbled in the first half and then McHale kept benching him for playing his game -- but he definitely needs to "get cocky" again.
No zxcvb, TVN is trashing Lin. Besides, he's trashed Lin's talent in the past.It's all good. TVN can think whatever he thinks, and we can think whatever we think of that.
KHuang, shut up. I remember you saying in the past TVN is a true fan of Lin. You keep on changing left and right.
Because you told me to shut up, I'll defy your Lin hating ass. I tried to give TVN the benefit of the doubt, just like I did you. But you both are haters and trolls who don't think Lin has game and openly ridicule Lin fans. You've been trolling since Linsanity, eb5attorney.
Bet morey will try to eff everyone over and go for Lebron next year. Chandler ur ass is gone.
I HOPE Lin stays.... Seriously anyone who wants Lin to be traded and is a Lin fan have no idea how bad that would be. Lin can succeed with the Rockets, and probably win a couple of rings while at it. With the HAWKS? Now even in the wildest dreams...
Yes, jp, next your on Rox can't be worse than this year, but they might get a ring out of it. I wouldn't mind JLin7 having a ring or 2 by the time he's 26. Wouldn't mind it a bit, 2 rings and $25m and then he organizes Decision3. Having said that, Anonymous makes a good point above which points Lin closer to LA than anywhere else, because tens of millions are at stake for Howard:"2. Another inexplicable point you raise, about the 5 years. Only LA can give Howard the 5 year max salary. But, Howard has chosen Houston. LA can choose to sign Howard to a max 5 year deal, then trade him to Houston to get something in return. Houston also may be on board with this to lock Howard up for 5 years instead of 4. And of course Howard would prefer 5."
It can't be worse than last year.
Last season, Lin started out on a team where Kevin Martin was supposedly going to be the leading scorer. This season, this is a completely different team. I don't have any predictions for how this season would go down. I can't even predict if Lin will even make it to Rockets' training camp. The one thing i can predict is that Lin is going to come back next season as a wonderful player who's ready for NBA action. I can't wait to see what he does, no matter who he's playing for.
If he stays, I see an efficient 15p/7a/2s (47% FG/38%3pt/85%FT).
I agree KHuang but at least Lin has been in this team for a whole year. That brings some stability and comfort/confidence to his game. Last year was a learning process, this year he can come out full speed without a care in the world. And just having Howard with some pick and roll and having options to kick out to Parsons or Harden, I mean this can work great for the type of player Lin is. I guess I just want to see how this can look with Lin, Harden, Parsons, J.Smith, Howard. I'm really hoping they don't trade him... I just don't know how plausible it is to do a sign and trade with Asik and Greg Smith/D-Mo...
It won't be all great for Lin in other teams; it's not too bad for Lin if he stays with Rockets, especially now that Rockets has Howard who can catch and dunk. I do agree that Asik's offensive skill has been inflated partially due to Lin's willingness to throw all kinds of passes to Asik. No way Asik will get that kind of willingness from other PGs. One thing I love about Lin is that he doesn't discriminate when he passes.
@Knicknames: JVG: “I think Lin was a bit overrated and now I think he’s underrated. Looking for any weakness to criticize. Will be great in PnR”
I can live with that opinion.I remember JVG during a Lakers game: "How is [Lin] doing? He's helping his team win games, that's what." At least he understands that the lower stats are J-Lin playing next to Harden and doing the dirty work/intangibles.
Wish some gms had this view. If jvg can see it, I'm sure there is some gm out there who sees the potential.
Maybe Danny Ferry does. Like I said, Lin has destroyed Atlanta all three times he's faced them and outplayed Teague in the process.Also, Joe Dumars is obviously tight with Isiah Thomas and Thomas had nice things to say about Jeremy this past season, saying Lin and Harden can be like him and Dumars with a little more time. I doubt that, but he wouldn't say it if he thought Lin was weak.
JVG is right. A lot of people are underrating Lin to the point where, it's embarrassing. They want Lin to take on a 6th man role...so that means a less experienced player like Bev is going to be the starter? Also, in what world would Calderone be a good fit for HOU? He's a ball stopping, ball dominant guard whose D is worse than Lin's. He's also going to cost more.The Teague>Lin statements are down right pathetic too.
If Lin could get a ring next year as a starting PG, I see nothing adding to his legacy more than that. To me... being an all-star on another team can't compare to solid stats and getting a ring.
So u'd be okay with lin being chalmers or fisher correct? And when u say solid stats . What numbers are u talking?
I agree mostly.
I really do believe that Lin will be an ideal PG playing with Dwight, only if coach Mac allows that to happen. I say this because in Dwight, Lin will have that missing player who can catch and dunk and is very athletic. Lin will at least get tons of assists, I would think. He can penetrate and dish, as well as alley-oops. I would say 15 points and 8 assists.
9-12 points 6-7 assists 2 steals. I don't think he will look to score at all.
I don't see Houston winning a ring next year, Lin or no Lin. Harden plays no defense. McHale can't coach worth crap, and most definitely can't get stars to play as a team.
not to mention the very missed alley-oop.
I agree. Solidz, Lin will NOT be a Chalmers in Houston.
oops, you did say that. bump!
I also agree with Dave T's belief that Rockets will not win a ring next year, Lin or no Lin, and Howard or no Howard. Need one or two years to gel.
What gives u that reassurance JP, esp if josh smith, their third superstar, signs? U think that's not the role they are envisioning for Lin in Houston?
I don't think Lin would be a Chalmers in this situation. Lin is just too good for that to materialize; his ability will decrease the scoring of the stars a little (at least on Rocket's). I would only guess his assists may increase with the addition of Howard. 14/15 points a game, 7 assists would be solid stats to me.This is purely speculation. First, I don't know if the addition of Howard means they have a good shot at the finals. If they lack the necessary chemistry, it won't happen.I also don't know how Mchale will handle Lin's minutes next season with Beverly. I do think, though, that Lin will be a different player next season and I speculate Beverly won't change all that much.
wa wa wa ... I feel deflated but you guys have a good point (eb and DT).
ESPN just showed that the Rockets odds for winning the championship are still behind like 9 other teams.I agree the Rockets aren't a favorite to win a ring, or even come out of the Western Conference.Harden plays horrifically bad defense. Not only lazy defense but also zero lateral quickness at all in stopping drives. Parsons is a poor defender as well. It depends on who their starting power forward is going to be after moving Asik. It has to be another elite rim protector to compensate for Harden's pathetic embarrassing league-worst defense among starting PG's.I agree w Solidz in that Lin isn't going to score if he stays here. Lin is going to put up, at best, Rondo stats - low point totals, high assist totals, and around 2 steals a game. He will shoot a lot better than Rondo though.I'd prefer that Jeremy Lin had his own team, but if they win a ring next year that will be great.
Bamboo, Howard should have lots of experience with team chemistry to influence McHale into playing Lin or Bev. I'm trying to think through the Hack a Dwight thing now ... what can HOU do to avoid that hurting them in crunch, given Asik held up to that.
I predict that Hardens assist total will go up. He will be the primary ball handler. Lin will be further marginalized on a team who do not see him as a long term asset. They will try to get rid of him next trade deadline if he isn't gone already this off seasonIt's not about what we think his skill sets are. It's more about the role he will be forced to play. They are out to maximized his talents. They will be underusing him. Lin would be much better off being traded to Atlanta at this point.
Anonymous, I think with all these scorers, Lin doesn't have to try to score all the time; I think they would need a good passer, which plays to Lin's strength. However, this also means Lin can score more easily IF needed, and will definitely be a more efficient offensive player, I would think. Anyway, that's my guess, but this would mean Lin needs to handle the ball more. If Mac envisions Harden as the man to handle the ball, then Lin will be another Chalmers per Solid's argument.
Solidz definitely has a good point. That's my worry also. It all depends on whether Lin is given a fair opportunity to show his strengths.
My fundamental beef is with this team. They have deemed that Lin is not an essential asset ever since they got harden. Bringing in Dwight changes none of that. This will always be Dwight, harden and possibly Josh's team. To Rox, Lin or Bev doesn't matter because they don't really need a pg - they just some one who can pass the ball to their superstars and not fuck up. This place is not the future for Lin. He needs to GTFO before wasting another year here.
Let's be clear about Harden as a PG.He LED THE LEAGUE in turnovers per game among players who qualified minimum games. (where is Screaming A Smith the hypocrite about Harden's turnovers?) He's the only player with over 5 assists and that many turnovers a game.Harden's assist to turnover is ranked 50th among point guards, and is out of the top 100 players in A/TO by a lot when you factor in all other players. Harden is a BAD playmaker and bad PG. He is a great scorer. Houston isn't going anywhere, even with Howard and Josh Smith, if Harden continues to play point guard more than a few minutes a game against bench players.
Yeah, I have to believe they will make some corrections here on account of what you said.
Harden does only two things well as a passer.1) Make the pocket-pass off the PnR.2) Make a skip-pass for a 3.That's it. Jeremy does both of those things equally well and every other passing skill 10X better...because he's an actual PG, not a ball-dominant SG.
I agree with zxcvb. Sure would like to see Lin play a PG with a bona fide athletic center who can catch and dunk. Lin will make Dwight look like Shaq if he's allowed to play a PG.
zx - glad to read your observation and can remember some good pocket-passes. But, how often do you think he makes those when given the chance and how often does Harden chose to press it himself? Yes, Jeremy I think likes the beautiful pass as much as his own score.
Can't believe anyone believes Harden's a legit #1 option playmaker. Guy averages a healthy Assist/TO ratio of 1.3 for his career and in the playoffs.
It doesn't matter what WE think. What have u guys seen from the rox that make u believe they will use Lin more effectively at the cost of reducing harden's "playmaking"? Lin will be gone. If not this season then next year. His future doesn't belong here.
Solidz, I'd give Howard and his management team a chance to sort it out. He's got more power than Harden now, but he needs Harden's 25ppg. I thought it was a good call you made in an earlier post that Parsons is toast after all this settles. It gets lots in all that you post, but that was a good one. Remind us when that happens, and I'll rep you.
Lin doesn't need a fucking ring--he needs to play his free-flowing, creative, team-oriented ball and not be marginalized even more. Therefore, he needs to get the fuck out of Houston. He needs to shine, even if on a shitty team. He has many years to get a ring but he doesn't have many years to reestablish his earlier magic and brilliance. George old fogey Karl fucked Timofey Mozgov (the promising young Russian center the Knicks were forced to include in the Melo trade), for the last 2.5 years, letting him rot on the bench. He has more talent than Asik but now his value has been totally undermined. Samething is happening to Lin. He needs to stand up for himself and say, hey "asswipe Morey, I want to play for a team that plays team ball and not be marooned with a bunch of ballhogs, so get me the fuck out of here for Jesus Christ's sake." HE and Asik should team up and demand a trade together.
lots = lost
Oh, Spencer, Jeremy needs a ring alright. It might be a wedding band, but he needs a ring :-)
I don't understand.. What makes u think howard or his management team will sort this out...
I agree. I'd be good with Lin having a "Chalmers" season, winning a championship with a lesser role.After this contract, he'll be an unrestricted FA, then he can choose to go to the ideal situation where he can be the star player.
@Jonathan_Feigen: No. 'Tweak' does not describe trading starting point. RT @thesuitedmonk88: @Jonathan_Feigen would those tweaks involve Lin?
Huzzah! No freed Lin, but a different team so we have to wait and see. I'll be rooting for that ring. I don't care if McHale and Morey look good, as long as Lin has a shot at a ring.
I know the lakers dont want both Asik, and Lin together, but cant they just S&T just for only one of the players?
They could if they threw in other contracts, like Terrence Jones, etc. It has to total a little over $15M in next-year salaries from Houston in order to make it work. So Lin + probably 2 guys on rookie salaries.
In some positive news, Ric Bucher just reported that Kelvin Sampson is NOT being brought back to the Houston staff.Great news for Jeremy Lin. Sampson was a Lin hater, benched Lin for any point guard, even scrubs like Tony Douglas and Beverly (after recently joining the team) in 4th quarters and late game situations even though Lin had the 2nd best 4th quarter PER in the entire league in 2011.
Sampson actually came around on Jeremy as the season began.Even when McHale was ignoring him during games, Sampson would cheer him, pat him on the back and talk to him on the bench.
Howard Chen @ho_chenCSN 3mJust checked on the @RicBucher tweet on Kelvin Sampson. Not true. #RedNation
Hiren Joshi @htown747 1m“@WojYahooNBA: Houston has traded Royce White to Philadelphia, league sources tell Y! Sports.”Wow thank you Philadelphia
How da hell did they pull this off?
Don't forget new GM was Daryl Morey;s assistant in Houston.....just sayin
Royce White is going to start comparing himself to Rocky. Just watch.
@CoryTownes: Wait, HOW IN ALL THAT'S SACRED IS ROYCE WHITE GETTIG FROM HOUSTON TO HERE?! HE HITCHING A RIDE?!
harden AND D12 on one team?? it doesnt get more overrated than this ( with the way they are being used).How many babies are these two gonna produce over a season? my guesses are like 5-10 each season. LOL Howard alone is allready a 8 time father
I think they'll be a Top 3 seed and conference finals contenders, but without Jeremy or another all-around quality PG, I don't see how they win it all. Only one ball, not enough defense or passing.
Hey Hans Schwanz, or should I say Hans dickhead, what does having babies have to do with anything?
Oh, I forgot that Atlanta recently hired Mike Budenholzer as coach.As Popovich's lead disciple, I trust his brain. So he'd probably be a great coach for Jeremy.
What will happen to Jeremy?1. if he stays with the Rockets, he will share PG-duties with Harden and won't score much. Haters will call him a bust for not scoring2. if he plays for another team that will allow him to be THE pg, I think fans of the team he was traded to will react positively. doubters and haters will still criticize him if he won't contribute much to the scoring3. if he plays pg AND drops double figures in scoring every game, haters and doubters will shut the hell up.
I like the last one. Lin stays with Rockets, puts great numbers and wins a ring while at it. Best of all worlds lol
No, the haters won't shut up. They'll just keep criticizing Lin and especially Lin fans. Lin has made a lot of doubters and haters look REALLY STUPID. Consequently there are a lot of people trying to knock him out. Lin has already made it in the NBA, so the haters will move on to predicting doom for him and inventing BS like "Lin's defense sucks" or "he has no heart in the playoffs".
@Jonathan_Feigen: @WojYahooNBA mentioned interest in NO in Asik for Anderson. Rox have long been high on Anderson. With Howard, would be great fit; $ matches.
Anderson would be great, in some ways a better fit than Josh Smith (not a better player). You would be able to spread the floor with Harden, Parsons and Anderson. Lin can drive in, kick out or pass down to Howard, pick-n-rolls between Harden and Lin. I mean, the possibilities are endless. 1 great 3 point shooter, 2 good 3 point shooters, 1 decent, 2 great pick-n-roll guard, and one if not the most dominant Center in the league. What else would you want?
Until u see a D12 welcome tweet from Lin, u can be sure that his status as a Rocket is tenuous.
I think Lin should just stay with Rockets and see how it plays out. Even if he can't be the star of the team, this is a unique opportunity to play for a championship contending team.
He's not going anywhere, at least until February 2014.
I agree. I think if Lin stays, it will be a whole new ball game in Houston. Howard will need to be fed the ball for him to be successful. James Harden ain't that man. Tad Brown of the Houston rockets stated that he was impressed with howard, because he had three pages of questions to ask houston. most of them was about his chemistry with the team and how he would be used. I think if Lin stays, Harden will be the one with the rude wakening. He will not be the Alpha Dog, Howard will. It was reported that one of the reasons Howard didn't want to be Kobe's side kick. That speaks volumes. Howard will be the man in Houston. I think Howard has done his research on the Rox's and think he knows what Lin brings to the table for him. Another note, I laugh at all these people about Beverly starting. Beverly did well, because there were no scouting reports done on him yet. I guarantee you they will this season and his whole game will be exposed and he will be shut down.
@Chris_Broussard: Lots of gray area around possible Josh Smith to Rockets s&t....could involve Asik and not Lin...up in the air rt now
Is it a case of the Rox not trying to give up Lin or hawks not wanting him?
Hawks probably focused on Teague, plus they took a PG in the 1st round, Schroeder.
Hawks are lukewarm on Teague and have said nothing about bringing him back. They made a lip-service qualifying offer that he hasn't taken.More likely that Dwight doesn't want Teague back in a S&T or Beverly starting. Probably wants Calderon or Jack -- a rich man's Derek Fisher, so to speak (bring the ball up and then spot-up for 3s).
Calderon already signed for 4yrs/29m with the mavs. Also, D12 is apparently 50-50 on leaving LA now. Who knows what'll happen.
Morey would give up his mother, if it was a good deal. That is why I say, Morey/McHale blowing smoke up Parson's butt about how good he is and the franchise wouldn't give him up. They will do him the same way NY wanted to do Lin, low bid him.
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@WojYahooNBA: Jose Calderon has agreed to a four year deal with Dallas, agent Mark Bartelstein says.
Isn't Jose like 31 yo?
yep, and 4yr/29m deal lol
Yikes for the Mavs. Worst possible move for them. Getting slower and less athletic and duplicating the top skill of your top player (jump shooting).Even Jack or Teague would make more sense for them. Heck, even Ellis! Ha.
Cuban got desperate and wanted his name in the papers after losing Dwight.Now he gets locked into a bad, long contract with an aging vet with no upside despite plenty of good young PGs in the league.
Same money will be more well spent if he gets Lin
crap. really, cuban? calderon? lin's last hope is atlanta.
Or the Lakers. Or a wildcard like Orlando (they only have Nelson).Dwight's in LA to "man up" in person and help convince them to do a sign and trade.
Or Detroit since they just lost Calderon, although I don't think they have anything Houston would want back that's realistic.
Yeah, they don't have a quality PG to send back. Dwight won't want Beverly relied on to start.
Now it's 50-50 on D12 leaving LA. Deal's not done yet.
I thought he told them they are out. But it is weird he is going to LA first.
Apparently D12 hasn't officially notified either team. There's reports of the extra 30m being a factor.
although at this point i personally think it's done.
@jadande: This seems even more relevant now RT @jadande: Amid reports Dwight Howard chose Rockets source says he's still deciding between HOU & LAL.
@EricLeGrand52: “@SportsCenter: UPDATE: A source has told ESPN that Dwight Howard has "changed his mind." Howard has told Lakers he's now 50-50.” What lol
@ramonashelburne: Chris Broussard reports Dwight Howard is waffling. "Hey, he's Dwight." source said.
SportsCenter @SportsCenter 7mUPDATE: A source has told ESPN that Dwight Howard has "changed his mind." Howard has told Lakers he's now 50-50.
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