that's good that he can build chemistry with dwight and how he's catching all those alley-oop passes. i think this will be similar to how lin played with tyson chandler during linsanity, a big upgrade from asik's butterfinger hands.
also, he needs to stop taking advice from asian bodybuilder wannabes who keep bulking up their arms. patrick beverly is listed at 185 pounds and has better lateral quickness. lin needs to work on that for defense as well as endurance, so having a huge upperbody is not helpful.
westbrook is listed at 187 pounds. chris paul is at 175 pounds. steve nash 178 pounds.
are you guys going to say that espn is wrong too? or are you going to use the eye test like a wannabe bodybuilder? 190 pounds still proves my point that excess upper weight is detrimental for a fast-paced nba point guard.
"Jeremy Lin isn’t quite quick enough laterally to keep many of the top point guards in front of him," from sports illustrated.
if you think lin doesn't need to work on it, then i think that would be a bad mentality. he needs to lighten his upperbody so he won't get as tired late in the season.
Given that Jeremy Lin averaged 15+ ppg for the 2nd half of the season while also playing stellar individual and team defense, I'd say that he's playing GREAT at whatever weight he is.
And since ESPN was the one that had to retract that article because of that racist "chink" headline, I wouldn't exactly call them the gospel of truth when it comes to Jeremy Lin.
Again, about this lateral quickness, I wish some one can cite something more evident. Relying on some reporters' eye test is really not that convincing to me.
Some strength guys will tell you that working on that helps with coordination and quickness. Having more strength up to helps movement in all ways. But, it really takes a toll on the joints over a decade as the mechanics of more mass really get you (think beer belly and our weekend games).
i recall seeing lin's training videos of him working on his lateral quickness during last year's off season. this training is essential for him not just for his speed but to build up knee strength to prevent wear and tear on his then recently surgically repaired knee.
if you recall those pro am game videos you'd see lin made some wicked cross overs going to the rim look easy and it's possible because of his lateral quickness/explosiveness.
I've never even visited clutchfans site and wouldn't even know about it without people referencing it from this site.
But surprisingly solidz did ask a good basketball question in the last thread: "Would u rather see Lin play a limited role ( frequently sitting out 4th quarter, not being allowed to make home run plays, camp out in the corner) on a team that can make to second or third round of the playoffs ( let's face it, Houston is not winning a championship) or Lin playing in a team as the true pg leading a crappy team on paper to the first round of playoffs? What do u think Jeremy would prefer?"
How you answer this questions reveals how much you know about Jeremy's character. I believe Jeremy would rather be on a good team and make it a great team (championship contender), than a weak team and make it a mediocre team. Only a selfish player would want the second scenario and Jeremy isn't that type of player. What do other people think?
i think lin will want to play on a team where everyone is willing to sacrifice for one another and not act like stat padding primadonnas. and, frankly, houston is loaded with primadonnas from coach on down.
Yeah Jeremy would love to be handcuffed on a team that doesn't believe in him than being able to play to his potential on a team that believes in him and rightly allows him to play his game.
The way Groovie twisted my question and made Lin sound selfish is exactly how a clutchfan and lin haters think. It is so reminiscent of Mchale calling Lin out for his 29 point 7 assist game and calling him selfish?
It's not about padding stats. It's about reaching Lin's potential doofus. Whoever believes that Lin can reach his potential on the rox and tells u he hasn't heard if clutchfan is obviously someone who knows very little about the world if Jeremy Lin.
Smoovies, I think Lin is simply a guy that wants to make the right play.
His coach Diepenbrock talked about how Lin wanted to do that, even in high school.
All his life, Lin has played on underdog teams. Instead of whining about his situations, he would rally his team to victory. That's how he led Palo Alto over the much higher ranked Mater Dei, took on top Division 1 programs despite playing for overmatched Harvard, and led his minimum wage Rockets team into the playoffs.
Thus far, Lin has made good choices in his NBA career. That's how an undrafted overlooked Asian guy ends up as a starter on a playoff team with a gigantic contract.
Steve Nash got a lot of respect when he played for Canada in the Olympics when he single handedly carried a rag tag team to the quarters or something like that. He proved on the world stage how great a player he was.
Lin should find some way to play for China in the Olympics as his chance of ever playing for his own country is slim to none. Linsanity will happen again, this time on the world stage for all to see and put the gms coaches and US media all to shame for their bias and PREDJUDICE.
Those Canadian teams had maybe 1 pro player on it. It was a back up center for The bulls. I don't even think any of them even played pro ball overseas. Since then, the Canadian prospects have really gone up a lot. This draft was the first time a Canadian was drafted number 1 overall and the top ranked college entry player is also Canadian. Nash really inspired a whole generation of Canadian players to believe they could be the best by being MVP twice.
Jeremy's maturity as a team leader is so impressive.
Notice how he turned the spotlight on non-stars like Terence Jones and Omri Casspi, making them feel welcome and giving them encouragement that he never received (despite deserving it 1000X more). And he mentions Harden's alley-oops to Howard...even though he's the master of alley-oops as we all saw with the Knicks.
But I love this quote the most:
"Everyone’s voice on the team is going to be heard and the job of the coaches and the players is going to be to put the egos aside and find the happy medium."
He's no fool. He's politely but firmly reasserting his role. And it's easy to read between the lines -- "If I'm going to sacrifice...so are you."
Ultimately, I think he was unable to assert his role last year because of his slow knee recovery -- just ask Derrick Rose how long it takes to feel 100% strong. He simply didn't look or play 100% until halfway through...at which point McHale, Harden and Parsons already doubted him.
Wanted to add that Lin is the most impressive interviewee in all of US sports, to me. I remember at Knicks, he was talking about 'swing-swing' with his fingers in a V and motioning back and forth, and I thought ... wow, he's actually trying to talk to reporters and fans like they are interested in real basketball. I had to look it up!
This false positivity will only set u up for a big disappointment coming season.
He can't be a leader when he is sitting on the bench in the fourth quarter or getting constantly criticized by the coach. Plus the role that he will play will not be big enuff.
The only time harden spike of Lin as a leader was when he had that monster game against the spurs. He said something to the effect of he will lead, I will follow. U guys all saw how all that changed the next few games thereafter.
I'm really amazed by how people like Rico Orange Smoothie think jetemy's role will increase this season. It's one thing to be hopeful but another thing to be completely unrealistic... Lin and asik do not have a future on this team. And they will be used as such. I guarantee u harden will be featured even more and he will benefit from Dwight and not Lin.
I feel that his natural leadership qualities is... one of the reasons he is disliked by the Rockets organization. They assigned the role to Harden last season, and this coming season it's assigned to Howard and Harden. When Lin shows natural leadership it goes against their plans.
1) Whether or not he is publicly credited as a leader, his quiet leadership is a huge asset and will help the team win games.
2) As poorly as McHale used him, Jeremy actually did receive better treatment overall in the final month or two. Why? Because his knee was 100% strong and his jump shooting improved greatly as a result. They even let him start Game 3, even though he was clearly too hurt to play.
3) Unlike last season, Jeremy will be ready to make the adjustment to lower-usage, more efficient, combo-guard. He's healthy, has an elite finisher in Dwight, and he'll have entire preseason to develop chemistry.
Plenty to be optimistic about. Is it better than Jeremy being on a rebuilding team as the lead guard? Hell no. But it's much, much better than last year.
Again, he was passive last season because he simply didn't have it in him to play the role they wanted him to on a consistent basis. His jumper was weak thanks to his knee and he hadn't been the non-lead guard since middle school.
Now he has an entire HEALTHY summer, training camp and preseason to make the adjustments that he ALREADY began making with success in the second half. Oh, and he has Dwight frickin' Howard catching and finishing his passes instead of stone-hands, ballerina lay-up Asik.
zx, Along the lines of what you liked about Lin's comments, I awoke thinking that this is like a "Survivor" thing. Lin is aiming for the team winning season, and last year was a head case full of weird decision making at the top(s).
Your comments about his physical game growth leads me to think he's mentally growing in himself and his game:
1. GSW ... a year of working hard in mostly obscurity, to feel out the NBA situation 2. Knicks ... finally getting through with no time to think straight except to stay on course even with the Melo theatrics 3. Rox ... a year of steady but unfathomable changes from above him, adjusting, etc. Post ASG is his report card, so look what a few days off with family and friends did.
I'm thinking this summer with home and friends will give him a lot of mental growth and spiritual strength. So, I think staying quiet like the Friedman comments is a great strategy to building more leadership centeredness. Can't wait to see if he can use that in this 'Survivor' game.
(I use that as a metaphor because I don't think there is good leadership at Rox, so the team has to self-form or it can only get so far. Yet, no one really is allow to be the boss, even with Harden anointed, because he's not officially the player coach. So, team dynamics will affect its output, and Lin as a result. Hope he can work with the Howard influx to change it for himself too.)
jeremy wasn't good at doing two things early in the season, one is obvious which is spot up jumpers, and the other is coming off the bench after sitting for more than 10 minutes. Lin's stats were much better in Q1 than in rest of the game after he sat on the pine for too long and lost his momentum and feel for the game.
hope jeremy is prepared this year to not only knock down spot up jumpbers but also ready for mchell's freeze lin substitution patterns.
I disagree. Even in the latter part of the season, people were wondering why Lin was sitting out in the fourth quarter. Their attitude never changed.
If Lin has a significant role in the offense, of course people will look up to him and he will be at to lead.
Imagine u r one of the bench players. U see Lin getting yelled out, called out by the coaches, sitting out the key stretches of the game, not much involved in offense and an Asian kid ( yes race plays a role), do u realistically think that that player will be viewed as a leader?
They start talking about Jeremy at 44 min. Jason Friedman confirms Jeremy told him he is keeping a low profile. They also consider playing him as a 6th man.
Things sure have flipped around this summer with Beverley at the ESPYs tonight:
if so, that would be a slap to the face for Lin. really SMH if Rox do go that route, they would look like a bunch of chickens that are afraid to work out Lin and Harden or just idiots because they don't know how or don't want to work out those tow. everyone knows that Lin excels in PNR and forcing him to be a 6th man and not do any PNR w/Howard will prove that they're misusing Lin. they always talk about trying to maximize everyone's strength, apparently they forgot Lin's strength, all season they embarrassed him by playing him to his weakness, but now after a season, I'm sure he will come back improved and much more hungrier. But aside from everything, i think this is just all talk, no way are they going to make him a 6th man, they know well what damage Lin and Harden can do when they click and now w/Harden they will be dangerous. they also know that w/ Lin at least there will be some ball movement at the very least.
I think Lin will at least stay until the game in Asia. He will be demoted to 6th man when McHale finds enough BAD games Lin has during the season. How many is enough for McHale, that I do not know.
Team's focus will be pnr between Harden and Howard, not Lin/Howard. So if the other team has a good defender on Harden like a Igoudala or Tony Allen. They will be shut out of options, because they don't use Lin as a scoring option.
Well they do, the corner 3 remember? Harden will brain lock until 3 seconds or less remaining on the clock. Then he throws the ball to Lin and blames the failure of the possession on Lin...LOL
@TVN but i think even if he shows he superior or not they would still demote him because he's too ball dominant and they don't want to deal with it apparently.
Actually, Friedman is just suggesting 6th man as a random idea...it's not based on anything he's heard from coaches/players. That said, I'd prefer him to be a 25mpg Ginobili-type over a glorified Derek Fisher for 32mpg.
Are u guys surprised?! Aren't the signs already there?
Lin will further be marginalized in this offense. And trust me. His 6th man role will not be like jr's or ginobilli.
I mean you have all this evidence and people like strawberry double decker chocolate smoothie still can't acknowledge this simple fact.
I'm just amazed by how simply obtuse done of u guys are. Just don't act shocked when this happens. Only a divine intervention can save Jeremy from an even more disappointing season than last.
If he's benched, he'll do what he did to NY and Golden State's guards ahead of him - outplay them in practices so thoroughly that they cannot perform well in games and thus Lin ends up playing anyway.
This dynamic plays out season after season, team after team. There is an endless procession of coaches that got themselves fired by not playing the right players. Here on this forum some of us call Lin "Coach Killah" because of the coaching fatalities on his track record.
I sat 20 feet from behind the baseline in one of Lin's games.
Every time Lin went in for a layup and was smacked inflight with no call, you could HEAR the crunch. And that could be heard from BOTH baskets, even with arena noise.
So Etane, why do you consider a 4th row courtside seat to be in the "nosebleed jumbotron viewing section"?
that's your second suns game where you got a closer seat. your first game was in nose bleed seats. YOU said you wanted a wider view of the entire court in order to see what others can't see. those were your words.
And I should also add that my first game's seats that WERE in the nosebleed section still afforded a wonderful view of the court for a guy like me that doesn't wear corrective lens.
Besides, I perform regularly in large concert halls and arenas. When Rod Stewart came to town, I was hired to play in his show in the newly built Glendale Arena. I could see all the way up to the top rows from the floor where the Phx Coyotes hockey team usually plays, and I had no trouble seeing the stage from up high with the lights mostly out. A NBA basketball game is much better lit than most concerts in the same venues are, though the exception was the TransSiberian Orchestra that lit up the stage with fireworks when I performed with them too.
are they invited or they are just trying to be noticed(as we all know cunning parsons25 is an attention whore who tries hard to be a superstar)...like they are just there because they bought a ticket to watch the awards night as in like an audience(just like landry fields last year) and they don't have anything to do w/ the show(sorry i have no idea as i'm not watching it/didn't watch it)
per his instagram: Last supper in LA with @jl777777 ... great workouts with the Rockets this week!! #cabbagecarrotscelery.
so it's his last supper with his friend Jeff Lo in LA. still, it is a bit peculiar that he used “the rockets" instead of "my teammates" in his post. Yes or No?
Few people recognize the strength of Jeremy; the inner strength. He always holds his own even in the worst situations. I watched how he posted up on Nate Robinson, the Robinson in Chicago. Not only you need physical strength, you need character strength too. Jeremy is a tough cookie. He can hold his own.
The last couple of days I have watched videos from the Linsanity period and to be honest. Don't get me wrong, what Lin did was amazing, he is the reason why I actually follow basketball now. However, you can see how much he improved from last year to this year. Regardless of the first half of the season, every thing Lin did looked more "tuned" for lack of a better word. Sadly, he didn't have the same role as with the Knicks. This coming year, it's going to be Lin's breakthrough. He finished the last month of last season with 17PPG and I think almost 7 APG, with a pretty good FG%. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what Lin ends up avg next year. Even though I think he could easily avg 17PPG and 8APG. I just can't wait for the season to get started.
We will see. 17 & 7 is doable, but he'll need to shoot near 50% from the field and get to the FT line more often. It's anyone's guess how many minutes he'll get per game, with McFail's man-crush on Beverley.
What? 17 and 7? If Lin averages that I will find Khuang a hot booty girl - and I don't mean Via.
The bottom line is neither is going to happen.
Morey and co took away everything that made Lin a great player and tried s hard to make him into a player that they envision him to be. Despite it all, Lin had his moments.
We all know that Lin can average double double if he got to play point.
It's not gonna happen! Eb is right. Short of harden getting hurt, we will never see 29 and 7 assist games next year. And even with harden hurt, it's not even a guarantee Lin will get to play over Bev.
Like Vanilla Shake chocolate almond smoothie,, the rox looked at his preseason games and the Miami airball and just gave up on him. The earlier u accept the truth the easier u will be let down when the season starts.
The latest Rox podcast made me sick. Lin has been relegated to such a non entity on that team. They claim he does not want the spotlight, poor guy has been bashed by media and lied to by his own bosses. They would move him in a second if Morey got his money. Of course Lin is being silent. How is he supposed to respond when his future is so unsure. Last year Lin was one of the faces of the franchise, now Beverly (who is SUPPOSED to be a bench player) has supplanted him. Chandler ( Beiber) Parsons is being groomed as 3rd star of the team. He is SOAKING up the attention and loving it. LIN HAS NO CHANCE short of a miracle to prove himself next season. I hope he gets a miracle and has his moment to shine again.
I kind of think that really is Jeremy. He's never talked about himself and always turned the focus of attention on his teamates. Even during Linsanity when interviewed he'd alwasy talk about Jared Jefries, Shumpert, Landry Fields, D'Antoni never about himself. As Baron Davis said "he's our silent assasin" He will practice hard and will impress people with his skill. I don't see how the Rocket's will supress him this year. They've already gotten a taste of trying to trade him after they've trashed his market value. They will prop him up this year and then he'll take off. But if it goes so far as seeing him still playing in garbage time inflating his stats then that will be a clear indication he's being traded.
He doesn't need a "miracle," ha. He just needs to stay healthy.
Even if he merely replicates his second half from last year, he'll be fine (15/6/40%3pt).
And in the 99.99999% chance he improves -- which he will now that's he's healthy, improving as a shooter, and passing to an elite finisher in Dwight -- he'll re-assert himself as a top young PG.
No worries. Would it be better to have control of a rebuilding team? Yeah. But this is fine, too. He can be part of a legit title contender right away.
same here, I'm just as sick as to how the Rox are treating Lin. ugh yucks! but Lin isn't an attention whore like someone..... he just does his own thing, that's what fans love about him, he's humble and doesn't care, he's hardworking. he's kind of like the born cool kid, he doesn't need to try hard to fit in. lol but i partially agree w/ your posts, i wouldn't be surprised if Parsons becomes a bust, he became more known because of his friendship w/Lin and I would think that he got attention because he was doing better then Lin and media just wanted to compare Lin w/ Parosns. but i'm not ignoring that he can shoot because he can, but he's a bit overrated, he's no upcoming star or what not, compare to KD, he's years and years behind KD. I don't think he'll be an all star either, because he's competing w/ KD and we'll see.... Like you, i hope Lin gets a miracle again and shine and when its his time to leave, he can GTFO ASAP!!
Lin knows to keep his Qi in so when it's time, he can explode with power. Talking about it leaks it out. Good luck attention hogs, we'll see who has it when it's time.
Jeremy Lin is the best young guard in today's NBA, and by a larger margin than most people realize.
His story has been the triumph of talent over all artificial obstacles. Lin may experience constant setbacks, but he always bounces up better than he previously was.
Lin started out as a guy who got only one Summer League invite with no NBA offers. He went from less than nothing (Asian race set him back in the eyes of NBA "expurts) to a guy who'd have been in All Star contention had he started last season healthy. There has been no story like that in the entire history of the NBA.
A guy like Lin who's already overcome the really hard obstacles will have no trouble overcoming the much easier obstacles that lie ahead of him.
my parents are born in china but we don't speak with the "square" tongue sound since they left china before mao came to power, so i/we purposely avoid the beijing pinyin for that purpose. cultural/politcal/spite
Chemistry? Let me tell you something about chemistry 101. In chemistry, Jeremy Lin is carbon. Carbon is an amazing element, it can be super hard in form of diamond and fragile in form of graphite. Carbon is the most active element known and have more bonding combination with other elements than all the other elements combined.
But apparently in Houston Rockets science, Jeremy Lin is considered as noble element that don't bond with other elements of the team therefor deemed not useful for the team.
Further elaboration why I compare Jeremy Lin with carbon. As most of us know, diamond is formed when carbon is put under extreme heat and pressure as contrary to graphite.
In order for Lin to become diamond(successful), Lin needs to be put in position where he can become just that which is deep inside earth's crust which have massive pressure and heat(playing PG position which is his game and become the face of the franchise).
Currently Lin is becoming more and more frail like of a graphite. Lin is no longer have the same heat and pressure because he isn't put in a position where he can become diamond.
The same guy that withstood oncourt racial slurs, waves of players terrified of being punked by an Asian guy, who absorbs more illegal contact than anybody in the NBA, who stays positive no matter how poorly he's treated or dismissed, and who retains his quality character in a league filled with temptation and greed?
No, it is Lin who's the truly TOUGH guy that has a lot to teach youngsters about how to withstand any kind of negativity that comes his way.
No matter how tough or hard an element, it will break. Being Chinese, I adhere to being soft like water, or bending like a young tree. Too often we measure life as a single defining moment. Greatness is only what others say about you. "do without doing", that's is what Lin does. He lives his life and actions for the love of that life. It is about his spirituality, his love of people, of family of friends and of basketball. The journey and process is expressed in his dedication to his craft, his social responsibility and his spirituality. He doesn't seek adulation because it is what he is. He does what he does without selfish intent, he simply does it because he loves what he does.
Failure is what we and the mass media chooses to label anyone who dares to achieve something. Lin doesn't define himself by what others say about him. His journey doesn't stop at basketball, it's much bigger than that.
Why are people getting their blood pressure raised when the season hasn't even started? Wait it out....I'm not counting the pre-season games because coaches are still experimenting. Wait until the regular season and see how the coaches do their rotations, plays, etc.
Regarding the podcast, Craig said that Lin will be a starter and mentioned Lin is a good defensive player no matter what others said about his poor defensive plays.
Parsons is a bit over rated. I cringe every time he handles the ball for over 15 seconds. I expect a TO and majority of the time, it's true. Beverley>Lin is laughable. You have got to be kidding me!
I can't wait until October 13th when the Rockets are in Taiwan. The Rocket's won't dare keep Jeremy on the bench for fear of instigating a riot. The fan's will shout and it will be deafening demanding that Jeremy be in the game.
Of course they will play Lin. The rox are deceptive but not stupid.
But honestly who cares? Lin will not be featured in this offense when it matters.
he best thing that can happen is a derick rose injury to harden. Yeah that is malicious, but honestly after the shit morey pulled on Lin, I ain't gonna lie, there is a small area in my heart secretly hoping for it to happen. And joe team, im warning u, don't u dare play moral police with me.
Yeah I said it. I know some of u are in the same camp. U just won't admit it.
I hope harden has an injury plagued season and morey gets smacked with a ping ping ball to his ugly mug.
actually i do wish to see lin play with the second team with anderson, jones, smith and garcia. that rag tag group can out play many teams with lin at point.
iLin could go on another linsanity run and this effers won't believe it and defer back to harden. It will just make Lin more palatable to other teams.
I am conflicted because I really do not want this franchise to succeed. The earlier he leaves this place, the easier for me to enjoy their failures for many years .
The answer to your question, kianainhi, is that Jeremy Lin is simply too confident and too skilled for worried people to project their insecurities on.
might be sour grapes but what d'antoni is saying is the same what i've been saying all along that d12's game is going to cause houston to lose it's edge in terms of up tempo while gaining a few points in the post and gain a few more rebounds per game vis a vis asik.
So maybe. But I think a bigger factor on Rox performance will all the bad rotations and play sets McHale will try, and then of course fans will go crazy. I don't get why some people think he's a good coach. He nearly dropped off the playoffs with his stubbornness.
mchell is a known weakness. i think everyone in nba knows he's a worthless head coach.
what d'antoni is saying is less apparent but is beneficial to houston because that's what d'antoni would worry about if he were houston's head coach is how to mesh howard with houston's up tempo offense.
I think MT or someone said what you are saying 2 threads ago, and it's all cool. I think if the team spirit is right, we'll see quality new game come out of Rox, but yeah, I don't think it'll be the same pace as when Rox got 23-3s off GSW or nailed the Jazz. Yet, how much tempo do you really need is my question, if other parts of the game is clicking. Personally, I would like to see Lin not kill himself for the next 2 seasons if Rox. I'd love for him to get some nice stats on a reduced tempo (earn his $ with less knee wear), and get a nice next contract with a team that respects him. So, I'm going with the flow of the positive press and hopefully, they give him until Feb to pump him up, or the whole year.
the up tempo is tremendous wear and tear but also is a necessary evil because mchell doesn't know how to coach so he has to be dependent on his team's youthful legs.
and, frankly, the speed is houston's only proven weapon. the 3's are streaky. the defense is practically non-existent without asic in the paint (and stupid khuang wants asic to guard perimeter shooters).
how d12 will mesh is an unknown. we do know that mchell is not one to know when and how to make adjustments. mchell had a winning chemistry with harden/lin back court situation by stacking their minutes and having them play off of each other but went away with that.
this shows houston will have a heck of a time transitioning and meshing with their new super star because there's too many prideful players on the team.
can only hope d12 is for real when he says he wants to win and have fun while doing it and hope that translates to more team ball, more ball movement and less ego.
That's why I think they have to work it out themselves because McHale I think lost control of Harden at the end there. If D12 gets support from Lin, then Parsons will come along, and Harden will too. McHale is then in control of the rotations, which if the court players are unified on, ... well, maybe.
BTW, I feel it's possible for these guys to work it out themselves because all I'ver ever played is unorganized ball, and you can tell how to play to win without a coach. These guys can do it, I hope. I don't think McHale can, given last 2 years and Minn.
Joeteam, I now have a heightened interest in advanced stats since I'm LESS TRUSTFUL of them than I've ever been before.
Your link had the John Hollinger "Offense Efficiency" rating for NBA teams. On the surface, it appears simple, but it's NOT upon further inquiry.
"Offensive Efficiency Rating" or ORTG is formally defined as "the number of points scored [by an individual or team] per 100 individual possessions". It is a single number arrived at by combining these variables:
Each one of these variables is arrived at by combining various metrics into a single number, and then those individual numbers are aggregated into a single rating called "Offensive Efficiency".
Here's are the problems with advanced stats:
1) They rely on BOXSCORES. Occupati0, and others here have noted how Jeremy Lin is routinely CHEATED in boxscores by incorrect scorekeeping. This kind of cheating happens leagewide.
2) When analysts do their weighting of variables (i.e. 3 pointers are more valuable than midrange 2s), that's just MADE UP stuff. No analyst can put a specific value on how much 3 pointers are more valuable than 2s, especially if he's a guy like Daryl Morey that's probably never fired a 3 OR a 2 in his entire life.
In statistics, doing an analysis on data known to be bad (e.g. boxscores) means that one cannot take the analysis as seriously. So when I see NBA franchises going gaga over advanced metrics, I become deeply skeptical about the basketball judgment of those franchises.
What I can say is this: Dwight Howard lacks certain post fundamentals on both offense and defense and it remains to be seen if his two Hall of Fame big men coaches in Mchale and Olajuwon can teach them to him. Until Howard learns them, he'll never truly fit into ANY offense in the NBA.
Ok, KHuang, nice response. So do you mean like Etane and others that Rox offense will not come together simply into more assists for Lin, etc.?
Me, I think the people mix will cause a major shift in their game-form. It's no longer a hot/cold fast team anymore. And, I was questioning the article's simplistic view that a slower team is worse. Maybe it can be better if the can shape up their post game (lacking last year).
What do people think of Lin's abilities/ability to contribute if they do develop a good post game?
Joeteam, my prediction is that the Rockets are going to play strictly 2-on-5 offense with Harden and Howard running pick and roll all day long with the other 3 players standing around.
It'll be a lot like the old Utah Jazz offense with Stockton and Malone where Stockton passed only to Malone and Malone passed only to Stockton. This resulted in mass freezouts of every single Jazz player not wearing "stockton" or "malone" on his jersey.
From what I've seen, Houston is not going to be run the low post offense that McHale was crowing about when he was first hired by the Rockets. Dwight Howard, even with Olajuwon and McHale tutoring him, lacks the court vision to read situations correctly. When James Harden posted up last season, it was a disaster because opponents would body Harden up and cause him to shoot off balance.
Regardless of what Houston tries to run, Lin can adjust to any situation. The lack of touches off the ball in a 2-on-5 Howard Harden combo would not affect Lin who's very accustomed to low usage situations.
And what's with the LIE that Etane made up about me saying that I want Asik to "guard perimeter shooters"?
As usual, that's just Etane MAKING STUFF UP to flame people.
Omer Asik is a serviceable and solid post defender when he's got Jeremy Lin protecting him with help defense and by limiting perimeter penetration. This works against teams with centers that station themselves in the paint, as Omer Asik does not ever step out on the perimeter to help Lin when Lin is battling a two man pick and roll.
Now when Omer Asik faces off against a 3 point shooting perimeter center like Luis Scola, Asik gets roasted from outside and even inside as well. Asik doesn't step out of the paint to challenge the perimeter shooting centers, so guys like Scola fire away from outside with zero defense from Asik. Kevin McHale would bench Asik when teams with perimeter shooting centers would bomb away from the 3 pt line while Asik stayed rooted to the paint.
I used to think that Asik had the ability to improve his lateral footwork to the point where he could step out of the paint to challenge those perimeter centers, but now I'm not so sure. I just don't think he has it in him to improve defensively.
We had arguments about how you wanted Asik to guard perimeter shooters and i disagreed with you. now you're back tracking because you realize how dumb you were back then. typical.
just like how you said smith and asik playing together will be a disaster then back tracked after lin/smith/asik combo beat the clippers sans harden.
Etane, Administration asked us to stick to basketball.
Me, I respect Administration's request. Unlike you, I do not regard Administration's request to be disrespected and taunted.
When you LIE about me, I set the record straight if I feel like it. Discussing Asik's lack of defense is pertinent to me and my participation on this Lin forum. I think defense is a big deal in basketball and don't get tired of analyzing it.
@KHuang: "Joeteam, my prediction is that the Rockets are going to play strictly 2-on-5 offense with Harden and Howard running pick and roll all day long with the other 3 players standing around."
If this happens, Lin should get a trade now and leave just like maybe he did on the LA minicamp. Hopefully that was just a Volvo or Nike commitment or something.
@KHuang - It might help if Etane is right for you to say so. He seems to be bringing up a game to say you were wrong, and if that's legit, then let's talk about that. I don't track the Asik defense thing, so I wouldn't know. One of the problems here is we are like old married folks ... old wounds never heal unless we process what's on the table. I don't know what those were, but it seems like that's why they have a life. I've seen you admit when you change your mind, like on McHale. You had said he's great for Jeremy, and I think on the disciplined hard coach front. And later, you have said McHale made mistakes, and that's because he really made mistakes. But here, because everyone takes a hard line in disagreements, they don't change over time. Nothing that's flowed with the team and even JLin's growth grows.
So, yeah, if you see some old conversations have changed, let them be right for today so you can be right when you are right. Just a thought, not wanting to create more because this thread today is way more fun.
Oh, sorry, I didn't think about that connection. I just love that Ken Jeong, Mr. Chow, can talk ball and Battier shouted him out. I hope JLin gets some celeb shoutouts this year. We need more than KevJumba.
Joe, how about from Jesse Eisenberg fan fiction back during Linsanity times. It was cleverly articulated and well interpreted by wilc back in the days.
Funny how it goes with some discussion. I think that's my evolved point, Etane. Jeremy should be Battier so Ken Jeong will shout him out like above. And then, JLin will have Hollywood support with all the guys who love his roles in Knocked Up and Hang Over, and then he can intelligently get SAS to give JLin some TV luv.
Therefore, it looks like KHuang is right on this one ... (ok, just keeping it light and fun if I can). Gulp.
Rikki, I did read that one then. On reread and thanks, it's a good, original writing construct! What did wilc say about it? I loved the creative way he spoke to the higher meaning of a JLin archetype in our lives.
I had never put the many ideas this guy had together in one cohesive thoughtball. Like the idea that the younger generation identify with that Asian/African American persona. At times, when JLin is interviewed, he has a streetball accent (for lack of a better word) than when he's interviewed with his mom on Chinese TV. I wouldn't have a clue how KPOP came into a world changer, but maybe this articles helps to understand the changes a bit.
Jeremy as sixth man? Back up to beverly? Well i don't believe it. Lin and Asik will be shopped, other teams know that and are waiting for Morey. God knows what will happen...
That 6th man suggestion isn't even a rumor. It's just a random idea Friedman thought of...though it's not the worse thing in the world as long as he gets 25mpg and complete offensive freedom.
It seems clear to me that they're planning to trade either Jeremy or Asik at the deadline for a PF. My guess is that Jeremy will prove himself and then some while Asik will play well in 15mpg but still want to be a starter again. Then they trade Asik, an improved/inflated T-Jones and a 1st rd pick for LMA/Love/whoever.
Jeremy is a starter and a very competent starter. He is a very fine basketball player and is improving every day. He hasn't said much but his effort and performance speak for himself. People has been criticizing him for many reasons but none of them compare him with players of similar age and years of experience in NBA. Those so called weaknesses appear in almost all of the players above but they were received with much more appreciation. We wouldn't call those people Linhaters for no reason.
Portland got lillard and minnie got Rubio. Impossible. They can't get a max player cause they will have to sign Parsons. I'm laughing at people who says Morey did a wonderful job. Howard's contract is a 3+1 ... Parsons' one expires in 2 years. They have the same agent. If tthey don't extend Parsons at his price Howard will go away as well ... And then harden and if they trade Lin they're a rebuilding team again. If i was in them i would trade harden for a pf who can shoot 3s and doesn't want max money. Howard and Parsons would have huge numbers with jeremy instead they stuck with the selfish one. Good luck to them.....
It just occurs to me that from Jeremy's comments on the 1st mini camp, he is most likely playing opposite of Harden and Howard. That's probably why the many PnR between those 2.
His side probably has Terrence Jones and Omri Casspi which he is why he is able to notice the great improvements. Maybe Jeremy's gonna make Casspi his new Novak.
I'm sure they probably will try different combinations, but that probably is the reason for his comments.
Omri Casspi is like a bigger small forward version of Jeremy Lin.
Casspi is a dunking running hardnosed raw athlete who plays hard defense and goes hard as people. Maybe he's not the most skilled guy, but he'll ram the ball down people's throats.
Alongside a nonpassing nonpenetrating point guard like Beverley, Casspi cannot create his own shot. But alongside Lin, it's slam dunks and standstill shots and aggressive defense and no look passes.
Should Lin be put on the 2nd team, the Rockets bench would beat most NBA team's starting lineups.
@KHuang, can we not suggest at all Jeremy be used as a 6th man please? I dislike the idea as Jeremy's stock will plunge further. But correct me if i'm wrong please.
I don't think Jeremy being on opposite teams means he's going to be the 6th man.
There's no coach so they need a leader on each side. I can see Harden leading one and Jeremy leading the other. I don't see Beverly able to lead the 2nd team.
wow, putting a foul-prone back-up PG as a starter than the proven,actual starting PG? starting the foul-prone back-up that will put the team in early penalty?
It's not just America that works this way. Hardworking honest people all over the globe bear the brunt of the work and reap almost none of the benefits/glory. You have to do what's right and just and honest for your own soul and conscious. Just do your own thing and find 'glory' in the work itself, In the pride and praise of family and friends.
One of my favorites... and I bet JLin would agree with this:
Desiderata - by Max Ehrmann
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be critical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy.
Your Welcome Joe! I have it printed and placed in several place so I see it often. I want to live this calm and serene...but I have to be reminded often to breathe and let it go ;-)
wu kong - if you master this one, you will be at peace indeed. Another side to obtain is the ability to affect the world positively when called to duty. That's important if you are a parent. Then one has to use wisdom to go from one to the other. For me, it's the next 2 that is harder and full of risk. But, not mastering the first and using the 2nd well often gets me outcomes I didn't intend. So thanks.
“With all the media attention, all the love from fans, I felt I needed to prove myself. But I’ve surrendered that to God. I’m not in a battle with what everybody else thinks anymore,” writes Lin on Identity Unleashed’s website.
I wish he would spread his message beyond just Chinese Christians. Like speak at churches with more non-Asian people. His story can appeal to all Christians.
I feel that churches are too divided by race in America. Chinese churches, White churches, Black churches, etc. it's just wrong.
If Lin is not a starter, he won't be voted into the All-Star game. Also, McHale will bench him when the game is on the line, just like he went with Beverley and Tony Douglas in the 4th quarters of close games.
If Lin is a bench player, the rest of the NBA will consider him a 2nd or 3rd point guard off the bench. His next team will treat him that way and he will be paid considerably less, maybe even forced to take a veteran's minimum.
As long as he finishes game it could be good. Knowing the 4th quarter issues of last year though......
Let' s say it clear : jeremy is the best creator of the team and the only one who is unselfish. When Spurs had to choose between parker and Ginobili they chose Ginobili as sixth cause parker was a better facilitator. They like harden as playmaker ... The player who was called out by Patterson Parsons etc last year. Now he's got an ego-maniac like him in the team.... See what happens... The next lakers....
Harden was a 6th man, then got a max contract, and there's Ginobili, so I'm okay with it.
But I think with Lin truly leading the 2nd team we would see such beautiful team basketball (like the game with no Harden and Parsons last year) that it upstages the "superstars". McHale and Morey would be so embarrassed by this that they send Lin back to be a starter, to shoot corner 3s.
A pessimistic outlook, but that's the evidence that was presented last year.
JR Smith was the 6th man of the year last season. He got a decent contract from the Knicks. No max contrct.
In Jeremy's case, we all know how the entire league has been discriminating him...i'm afraid, his stock will plunge beyond our imagination. Just look at his predicament on the Rox. None of us would have thought how his role could have been diminished by his coaches in the past one year and the marginalisation was so blatant that even the scorekeepers cheated his stats almost every game. And the GM only showed interests in flipping assets, pursuing big names and meeting his P&L figures. Really really sad!
They'll probably gonna give the ball to beverly. Harden is a selfish primadonna. If Howard wants the ball in the post and harden wants pnr they will crash each other pretty soon. Howard didn't want pnr and now he's playing with harden who basically will only pass him the ball thru pnr. Howard couldn't stand Kobe ballhogging and now he's got one worse than him.
The difference is, Harden is Black, has a wacky beard, sleeps with many women, and has a big ego. He LOOKS like a superstar player for a franchise. That's why Houston was willing to pay so much for a career 6th man who has never proven anything before.
McHale have no problems with Harden jacking up shots, lets his man score 20 pts, plays bad defense, be selfish, and turning the ball over. However they get very agitated whenever Lin misses shots, gets scored on, or turns the ball over.
Once again, perceptions have worked against Jeremy and amplified his mistakes, while overlooking his successes. Even if he played well, carried the team on his shoulders ... teams will not judge him by the same standards as other players. He can only be considered "good" if he plays 2X better than other point guards. Otherwise people label him "mediocre" and "overpaid".
I think if Lin is benched, the BEATINGS in practice will begin.
Lin has forced his way off the bench in every town he's played in. He beats the players ahead of him so badly that they can't perform in games. And then coaches' heads roll when the players Lin is killing are failing. That's why Lin is COACH KILLA.
McHale hasn't outright benched Lin yet, so he's safe for now. But if McHale does, he'll find out what it's like to have his team blown up from within.
Great players force their way onto the court. That's what Lin's done, and so far he's been slowed by haters but not stopped.
A clutchfans' poster... Take it with a grain of salt (is it correct ? :D)
I am there now. I went in and prompty shown the door by ucla athletics folks. Most everyone was there. I didn't get any pics because I was trying to negotiate staying quietly in a corner for 30 mins and pulling out my phone would have surely gotten me the boot.
Dwight wearing a white "rockets basketball" t shirt is still crazy to see. Like I know he is on the Rockets but I still can't believe it
Also just to stir the pot
Jeremy Lin was not there!!
I know his tweet but he could have left LA after practice this morning. But he could have just not shown up yet either
that's good that he can build chemistry with dwight and how he's catching all those alley-oop passes. i think this will be similar to how lin played with tyson chandler during linsanity, a big upgrade from asik's butterfinger hands.
ReplyDeletealso, he needs to stop taking advice from asian bodybuilder wannabes who keep bulking up their arms. patrick beverly is listed at 185 pounds and has better lateral quickness. lin needs to work on that for defense as well as endurance, so having a huge upperbody is not helpful.
westbrook is listed at 187 pounds. chris paul is at 175 pounds. steve nash 178 pounds.
There is no way Russell Westbrook is 187 pounds
DeleteHis listed weight is 187lbs
DeleteProbably when he was drafted 5 years ago. They don't usually update the players weight.
Deletesam alipour writes for espn in 2013 that westbrook was 190 pounds.
Deletehttp://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9114915/oklahoma-city-thunder-russell-westbrook-unique-style-the-court-espn-magazine
are you guys going to say that espn is wrong too? or are you going to use the eye test like a wannabe bodybuilder? 190 pounds still proves my point that excess upper weight is detrimental for a fast-paced nba point guard.
i dont think lin needs to work on his defensive quickness. no one in the league can consistently take lin to the hole.
Deleteand, no one in this league can consistently prevent lin from taking the rock to the hole.
http://nba.si.com/2013/05/07/houston-rockets-offseason/
Delete"Jeremy Lin isn’t quite quick enough laterally to keep many of the top point guards in front of him," from sports illustrated.
if you think lin doesn't need to work on it, then i think that would be a bad mentality. he needs to lighten his upperbody so he won't get as tired late in the season.
Given that Jeremy Lin averaged 15+ ppg for the 2nd half of the season while also playing stellar individual and team defense, I'd say that he's playing GREAT at whatever weight he is.
DeleteAnd since ESPN was the one that had to retract that article because of that racist "chink" headline, I wouldn't exactly call them the gospel of truth when it comes to Jeremy Lin.
Again, about this lateral quickness, I wish some one can cite something more evident. Relying on some reporters' eye test is really not that convincing to me.
DeleteSome strength guys will tell you that working on that helps with coordination and quickness. Having more strength up to helps movement in all ways. But, it really takes a toll on the joints over a decade as the mechanics of more mass really get you (think beer belly and our weekend games).
Deletei recall seeing lin's training videos of him working on his lateral quickness during last year's off season. this training is essential for him not just for his speed but to build up knee strength to prevent wear and tear on his then recently surgically repaired knee.
Deleteif you recall those pro am game videos you'd see lin made some wicked cross overs going to the rim look easy and it's possible because of his lateral quickness/explosiveness.
Thanks a New thread!!
ReplyDeleteYes, that last thread was so negative. I'm glad the posters on this thread so far are so much more intelligent and positive.
DeleteU spoke too soon, clutchfan Rico suave.
Delete" I'm glad the posters on this thread so far are so much more intelligent and positive."
Deletewell you showed up and ruined it for the rest of us.
BOOM! LINE STEPPER!
DeletePost that twice, JK.
DeleteI've never even visited clutchfans site and wouldn't even know about it without people referencing it from this site.
DeleteBut surprisingly solidz did ask a good basketball question in the last thread:
"Would u rather see Lin play a limited role ( frequently sitting out 4th quarter, not being allowed to make home run plays, camp out in the corner) on a team that can make to second or third round of the playoffs ( let's face it, Houston is not winning a championship) or Lin playing in a team as the true pg leading a crappy team on paper to the first round of playoffs? What do u think Jeremy would prefer?"
How you answer this questions reveals how much you know about Jeremy's character.
I believe Jeremy would rather be on a good team and make it a great team (championship contender), than a weak team and make it a mediocre team. Only a selfish player would want the second scenario and Jeremy isn't that type of player. What do other people think?
I think he would want to be on Rox with Howard in the mix, for many reasons. One, it changes the people dynamic. See below on "Survivor" thoughts.
Deletei think lin will want to play on a team where everyone is willing to sacrifice for one another and not act like stat padding primadonnas. and, frankly, houston is loaded with primadonnas from coach on down.
DeleteYeah Jeremy would love to be handcuffed on a team that doesn't believe in him than being able to play to his potential on a team that believes in him and rightly allows him to play his game.
DeleteThe way Groovie twisted my question and made Lin sound selfish is exactly how a clutchfan and lin haters think. It is so reminiscent of Mchale calling Lin out for his 29 point 7 assist game and calling him selfish?
It's not about padding stats. It's about reaching Lin's potential doofus. Whoever believes that Lin can reach his potential on the rox and tells u he hasn't heard if clutchfan is obviously someone who knows very little about the world if Jeremy Lin.
Smoovies, I think Lin is simply a guy that wants to make the right play.
DeleteHis coach Diepenbrock talked about how Lin wanted to do that, even in high school.
All his life, Lin has played on underdog teams. Instead of whining about his situations, he would rally his team to victory. That's how he led Palo Alto over the much higher ranked Mater Dei, took on top Division 1 programs despite playing for overmatched Harvard, and led his minimum wage Rockets team into the playoffs.
Thus far, Lin has made good choices in his NBA career. That's how an undrafted overlooked Asian guy ends up as a starter on a playoff team with a gigantic contract.
wow even khuang's comment is harmonizing with solidz and mine. must be overcast in hell with 20% chance of snow.
DeleteSteve Nash got a lot of respect when he played for Canada in the Olympics when he single handedly carried a rag tag team to the quarters or something like that. He proved on the world stage how great a player he was.
ReplyDeleteLin should find some way to play for China in the Olympics as his chance of ever playing for his own country is slim to none. Linsanity will happen again, this time on the world stage for all to see and put the gms coaches and US media all to shame for their bias and PREDJUDICE.
I don think the remaining 4 players from China are as good as those who played for Canada
DeleteLin's mom would only let him change to Taiwan citizenship :-)
DeleteThose Canadian teams had maybe 1 pro player on it. It was a back up center for The bulls. I don't even think any of them even played pro ball overseas. Since then, the Canadian prospects have really gone up a lot. This draft was the first time a Canadian was drafted number 1 overall and the top ranked college entry player is also Canadian. Nash really inspired a whole generation of Canadian players to believe they could be the best by being MVP twice.
DeleteJeremy's maturity as a team leader is so impressive.
ReplyDeleteNotice how he turned the spotlight on non-stars like Terence Jones and Omri Casspi, making them feel welcome and giving them encouragement that he never received (despite deserving it 1000X more). And he mentions Harden's alley-oops to Howard...even though he's the master of alley-oops as we all saw with the Knicks.
But I love this quote the most:
"Everyone’s voice on the team is going to be heard and the job of the coaches and the players is going to be to put the egos aside and find the happy medium."
He's no fool. He's politely but firmly reasserting his role. And it's easy to read between the lines -- "If I'm going to sacrifice...so are you."
Ultimately, I think he was unable to assert his role last year because of his slow knee recovery -- just ask Derrick Rose how long it takes to feel 100% strong. He simply didn't look or play 100% until halfway through...at which point McHale, Harden and Parsons already doubted him.
word zx!
DeleteWanted to add that Lin is the most impressive interviewee in all of US sports, to me. I remember at Knicks, he was talking about 'swing-swing' with his fingers in a V and motioning back and forth, and I thought ... wow, he's actually trying to talk to reporters and fans like they are interested in real basketball. I had to look it up!
Deletehttp://www.jes-soft.com/playbook/plaswingmotion.html
The only time I experienced this was when I was a kid, or in watching int'l sports interviews like Olympics or rugby.
This false positivity will only set u up for a big disappointment coming season.
DeleteHe can't be a leader when he is sitting on the bench in the fourth quarter or getting constantly criticized by the coach. Plus the role that he will play will not be big enuff.
The only time harden spike of Lin as a leader was when he had that monster game against the spurs. He said something to the effect of he will lead, I will follow. U guys all saw how all that changed the next few games thereafter.
I'm really amazed by how people like Rico Orange Smoothie think jetemy's role will increase this season. It's one thing to be hopeful but another thing to be completely unrealistic... Lin and asik do not have a future on this team. And they will be used as such. I guarantee u harden will be featured even more and he will benefit from Dwight and not Lin.
I feel that his natural leadership qualities is... one of the reasons he is disliked by the Rockets organization. They assigned the role to Harden last season, and this coming season it's assigned to Howard and Harden. When Lin shows natural leadership it goes against their plans.
Deletebut he needs to force mchell's hand and be the leader even if it means getting on mchell's shit list.
Deleteno one will follow lin if he remains passive.
1) Whether or not he is publicly credited as a leader, his quiet leadership is a huge asset and will help the team win games.
Delete2) As poorly as McHale used him, Jeremy actually did receive better treatment overall in the final month or two. Why? Because his knee was 100% strong and his jump shooting improved greatly as a result. They even let him start Game 3, even though he was clearly too hurt to play.
3) Unlike last season, Jeremy will be ready to make the adjustment to lower-usage, more efficient, combo-guard. He's healthy, has an elite finisher in Dwight, and he'll have entire preseason to develop chemistry.
Plenty to be optimistic about. Is it better than Jeremy being on a rebuilding team as the lead guard? Hell no. But it's much, much better than last year.
Again, he was passive last season because he simply didn't have it in him to play the role they wanted him to on a consistent basis. His jumper was weak thanks to his knee and he hadn't been the non-lead guard since middle school.
DeleteNow he has an entire HEALTHY summer, training camp and preseason to make the adjustments that he ALREADY began making with success in the second half. Oh, and he has Dwight frickin' Howard catching and finishing his passes instead of stone-hands, ballerina lay-up Asik.
zx, Along the lines of what you liked about Lin's comments, I awoke thinking that this is like a "Survivor" thing. Lin is aiming for the team winning season, and last year was a head case full of weird decision making at the top(s).
DeleteYour comments about his physical game growth leads me to think he's mentally growing in himself and his game:
1. GSW ... a year of working hard in mostly obscurity, to feel out the NBA situation
2. Knicks ... finally getting through with no time to think straight except to stay on course even with the Melo theatrics
3. Rox ... a year of steady but unfathomable changes from above him, adjusting, etc. Post ASG is his report card, so look what a few days off with family and friends did.
I'm thinking this summer with home and friends will give him a lot of mental growth and spiritual strength. So, I think staying quiet like the Friedman comments is a great strategy to building more leadership centeredness. Can't wait to see if he can use that in this 'Survivor' game.
(I use that as a metaphor because I don't think there is good leadership at Rox, so the team has to self-form or it can only get so far. Yet, no one really is allow to be the boss, even with Harden anointed, because he's not officially the player coach. So, team dynamics will affect its output, and Lin as a result. Hope he can work with the Howard influx to change it for himself too.)
jeremy wasn't good at doing two things early in the season, one is obvious which is spot up jumpers, and the other is coming off the bench after sitting for more than 10 minutes. Lin's stats were much better in Q1 than in rest of the game after he sat on the pine for too long and lost his momentum and feel for the game.
Deletehope jeremy is prepared this year to not only knock down spot up jumpbers but also ready for mchell's freeze lin substitution patterns.
I disagree. Even in the latter part of the season, people were wondering why Lin was sitting out in the fourth quarter. Their attitude never changed.
DeleteIf Lin has a significant role in the offense, of course people will look up to him and he will be at to lead.
Imagine u r one of the bench players. U see Lin getting yelled out, called out by the coaches, sitting out the key stretches of the game, not much involved in offense and an Asian kid ( yes race plays a role), do u realistically think that that player will be viewed as a leader?
Let's be real here.
yah lin was the leader by december last year but the role was stripped away from him by design.
DeleteRocketscast today: http://youtu.be/eaeXg2F5AkM
ReplyDeleteThey start talking about Jeremy at 44 min. Jason Friedman confirms Jeremy told him he is keeping a low profile. They also consider playing him as a 6th man.
Things sure have flipped around this summer with Beverley at the ESPYs tonight:
http://instagram.com/p/b4-kI9PPfz/#
I still think Beverly and Parsons will be more exposed next yr.
Deleteif so, that would be a slap to the face for Lin.
Deletereally SMH if Rox do go that route, they would look like a bunch of chickens that are afraid to work out Lin and Harden or just idiots because they don't know how or don't want to work out those tow. everyone knows that Lin excels in PNR and forcing him to be a 6th man and not do any PNR w/Howard will prove that they're misusing Lin.
they always talk about trying to maximize everyone's strength, apparently they forgot Lin's strength, all season they embarrassed him by playing him to his weakness, but now after a season, I'm sure he will come back improved and much more hungrier.
But aside from everything, i think this is just all talk, no way are they going to make him a 6th man, they know well what damage Lin and Harden can do when they click and now w/Harden they will be dangerous. they also know that w/ Lin at least there will be some ball movement at the very least.
I think Lin will at least stay until the game in Asia. He will be demoted to 6th man when McHale finds enough BAD games Lin has during the season. How many is enough for McHale, that I do not know.
DeleteTeam's focus will be pnr between Harden and Howard, not Lin/Howard. So if the other team has a good defender on Harden like a Igoudala or Tony Allen. They will be shut out of options, because they don't use Lin as a scoring option.
DeleteWell they do, the corner 3 remember? Harden will brain lock until 3 seconds or less remaining on the clock. Then he throws the ball to Lin and blames the failure of the possession on Lin...LOL
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DeleteNo, they don't know any of that. If they had, they would have let Lin do his thing.
Don't forget that Friedman and Ackerman are Rockets employees. They know what the front office and coaching staff are thinking.
Basically, it's up to Lin to overcome these obstacles and leave NO DOUBT that he is superior to Beverly.
@TVN but i think even if he shows he superior or not they would still demote him because he's too ball dominant and they don't want to deal with it apparently.
DeleteActually, Friedman is just suggesting 6th man as a random idea...it's not based on anything he's heard from coaches/players. That said, I'd prefer him to be a 25mpg Ginobili-type over a glorified Derek Fisher for 32mpg.
DeleteAre u guys surprised?! Aren't the signs already there?
DeleteLin will further be marginalized in this offense. And trust me. His 6th man role will not be like jr's or ginobilli.
I mean you have all this evidence and people like strawberry double decker chocolate smoothie still can't acknowledge this simple fact.
I'm just amazed by how simply obtuse done of u guys are. Just don't act shocked when this happens. Only a divine intervention can save Jeremy from an even more disappointing season than last.
Veteran NBA fans generally have no fear for Lin.
DeleteIf he's benched, he'll do what he did to NY and Golden State's guards ahead of him - outplay them in practices so thoroughly that they cannot perform well in games and thus Lin ends up playing anyway.
This dynamic plays out season after season, team after team. There is an endless procession of coaches that got themselves fired by not playing the right players. Here on this forum some of us call Lin "Coach Killah" because of the coaching fatalities on his track record.
what qualifies as veteran nba fan? over 60 years old? 65?
Delete"Veteran NBA fans, who are delusional, falsely positive, and "watch" games on ESPN play by play feeds, generally have no fear for Lin. "
DeleteFTFY. You ate welcome.
you left out commentating from nose bleed jumbotron viewing seats at games.
DeleteHmm.
DeleteI sat 20 feet from behind the baseline in one of Lin's games.
Every time Lin went in for a layup and was smacked inflight with no call, you could HEAR the crunch. And that could be heard from BOTH baskets, even with arena noise.
So Etane, why do you consider a 4th row courtside seat to be in the "nosebleed jumbotron viewing section"?
that's your second suns game where you got a closer seat. your first game was in nose bleed seats. YOU said you wanted a wider view of the entire court in order to see what others can't see. those were your words.
Deletenow you're back tracking AGAIN!!!
shameless!
line stepper! boom!
now now, it's not line stepping for KHuang to go to more than one game and not report it you us here.
Deleteit's LIE stepping when he's conflating his second game's seat with his first.
DeleteAnd I should also add that my first game's seats that WERE in the nosebleed section still afforded a wonderful view of the court for a guy like me that doesn't wear corrective lens.
DeleteBesides, I perform regularly in large concert halls and arenas. When Rod Stewart came to town, I was hired to play in his show in the newly built Glendale Arena. I could see all the way up to the top rows from the floor where the Phx Coyotes hockey team usually plays, and I had no trouble seeing the stage from up high with the lights mostly out. A NBA basketball game is much better lit than most concerts in the same venues are, though the exception was the TransSiberian Orchestra that lit up the stage with fireworks when I performed with them too.
khuang: bla bla yes i lied btw i & rod stewart is tite.
Deleteare they invited or they are just trying to be noticed(as we all know cunning parsons25 is an attention whore who tries hard to be a superstar)...like they are just there because they bought a ticket to watch the awards night as in like an audience(just like landry fields last year) and they don't have anything to do w/ the show(sorry i have no idea as i'm not watching it/didn't watch it)
ReplyDeleteJeremy Lin @JLin7 24s
ReplyDeleteLast supper in LA ... great workouts with the Rockets this week!! #cabbagecarrotscelery http://instagram.com/p/b5NPiduP-M/
Seems like the tweeter lock is disabled....:p
Or he heard something, and decided to leave this minicamp early?....
DeleteAnyone know when the camp officially ends?
DeleteLin at mentioning the plan at 2:50 in California (he didn't use "Cali" whew!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIM6xXwtl_0
Here's chandler talking about it:
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/07/11/rockets-players-organize-practice-with-howard/
He hasn't shown any pics with the Rockets. Eating with his friend instead.
DeleteHe probably realizes his days as a rox are numbered. He couldn't leave this place soon enuff.
per his instagram: Last supper in LA with @jl777777 ... great workouts with the Rockets this week!! #cabbagecarrotscelery.
Deleteso it's his last supper with his friend Jeff Lo in LA. still, it is a bit peculiar that he used “the rockets" instead of "my teammates" in his post. Yes or No?
Few people recognize the strength of Jeremy; the inner strength. He always holds his own even in the worst situations.
DeleteI watched how he posted up on Nate Robinson, the Robinson in Chicago. Not only you need physical strength, you need character strength too.
Jeremy is a tough cookie.
He can hold his own.
any other player who suffered the abuse he got from mchell last year would have folded by all star break. but, jeremy's game kept improving.
DeleteThe last couple of days I have watched videos from the Linsanity period and to be honest. Don't get me wrong, what Lin did was amazing, he is the reason why I actually follow basketball now. However, you can see how much he improved from last year to this year. Regardless of the first half of the season, every thing Lin did looked more "tuned" for lack of a better word. Sadly, he didn't have the same role as with the Knicks. This coming year, it's going to be Lin's breakthrough. He finished the last month of last season with 17PPG and I think almost 7 APG, with a pretty good FG%. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what Lin ends up avg next year. Even though I think he could easily avg 17PPG and 8APG. I just can't wait for the season to get started.
ReplyDeleteHe did improved his game. Well said.
DeleteI am going to predict that Harden will get injured and Lin and Howard are goong to click.
Delete@jp2123
DeleteWe will see. 17 & 7 is doable, but he'll need to shoot near 50% from the field and get to the FT line more often. It's anyone's guess how many minutes he'll get per game, with McFail's man-crush on Beverley.
and would be nice if mchell would actually bump chest with a few refs when lin doesn't get his foul calls.
DeleteWhat? 17 and 7? If Lin averages that I will find Khuang a hot booty girl - and I don't mean Via.
DeleteThe bottom line is neither is going to happen.
Morey and co took away everything that made Lin a great player and tried s hard to make him into a player that they envision him to be. Despite it all, Lin had his moments.
We all know that Lin can average double double if he got to play point.
It's not gonna happen! Eb is right. Short of harden getting hurt, we will never see 29 and 7 assist games next year. And even with harden hurt, it's not even a guarantee Lin will get to play over Bev.
Like Vanilla Shake chocolate almond smoothie,, the rox looked at his preseason games and the Miami airball and just gave up on him. The earlier u accept the truth the easier u will be let down when the season starts.
The latest Rox podcast made me sick. Lin has been relegated to such a non entity on that team. They claim he does not want the spotlight, poor guy has been bashed by media and lied to by his own bosses. They would move him in a second if Morey got his money. Of course Lin is being silent. How is he supposed to respond when his future is so unsure. Last year Lin was one of the faces of the franchise, now Beverly (who is SUPPOSED to be a bench player) has supplanted him. Chandler ( Beiber) Parsons is being groomed as 3rd star of the team. He is SOAKING up the attention and loving it. LIN HAS NO CHANCE short of a miracle to prove himself next season. I hope he gets a miracle and has his moment to shine again.
ReplyDeleteI kind of think that really is Jeremy. He's never talked about himself and always turned the focus of attention on his teamates. Even during Linsanity when interviewed he'd alwasy talk about Jared Jefries, Shumpert, Landry Fields, D'Antoni never about himself. As Baron Davis said "he's our silent assasin" He will practice hard and will impress people with his skill. I don't see how the Rocket's will supress him this year. They've already gotten a taste of trying to trade him after they've trashed his market value. They will prop him up this year and then he'll take off. But if it goes so far as seeing him still playing in garbage time inflating his stats then that will be a clear indication he's being traded.
DeleteHe doesn't need a "miracle," ha. He just needs to stay healthy.
DeleteEven if he merely replicates his second half from last year, he'll be fine (15/6/40%3pt).
And in the 99.99999% chance he improves -- which he will now that's he's healthy, improving as a shooter, and passing to an elite finisher in Dwight -- he'll re-assert himself as a top young PG.
No worries. Would it be better to have control of a rebuilding team? Yeah. But this is fine, too. He can be part of a legit title contender right away.
same here, I'm just as sick as to how the Rox are treating Lin. ugh yucks!
Deletebut Lin isn't an attention whore like someone..... he just does his own thing, that's
what fans love about him, he's humble and doesn't care, he's hardworking.
he's kind of like the born cool kid, he doesn't need to try hard to fit in.
lol but i partially agree w/ your posts, i wouldn't be surprised if Parsons becomes a bust, he became more known because of his friendship w/Lin and I would think that he got attention because he was doing better then Lin and media just wanted to compare Lin w/ Parosns. but i'm not ignoring that he can shoot because he can, but he's a bit overrated, he's no upcoming star or what not, compare to KD, he's years and years behind KD. I don't think he'll be an all star either, because he's competing w/ KD and we'll see....
Like you, i hope Lin gets a miracle again and shine and when its his time to leave, he can GTFO ASAP!!
Lin knows to keep his Qi in so when it's time, he can explode with power. Talking about it leaks it out. Good luck attention hogs, we'll see who has it when it's time.
DeleteJoeTeam....luv the analogy. Yep, he kept it in prior to Linsanity.
Deleteno sex for lin or his chi will leak.,,
Deleteit's "QI" not chi, Etane. :)
DeleteThere's nothing to worry about, Rose.
DeleteJeremy Lin is the best young guard in today's NBA, and by a larger margin than most people realize.
His story has been the triumph of talent over all artificial obstacles. Lin may experience constant setbacks, but he always bounces up better than he previously was.
Lin started out as a guy who got only one Summer League invite with no NBA offers. He went from less than nothing (Asian race set him back in the eyes of NBA "expurts) to a guy who'd have been in All Star contention had he started last season healthy. There has been no story like that in the entire history of the NBA.
A guy like Lin who's already overcome the really hard obstacles will have no trouble overcoming the much easier obstacles that lie ahead of him.
jane - i don't speak beijing chinese = P
Deletesorry, Etane, allow me to 班门弄斧 ^.^
Delete同志 , 請繼續
DeleteI meant to say you let me displayed my incompetence in front of you, the connoisseur...
Deleteand i said, comrade, please continue = P hahahhaa
Deletemy parents are born in china but we don't speak with the "square" tongue sound since they left china before mao came to power, so i/we purposely avoid the beijing pinyin for that purpose. cultural/politcal/spite
Chemistry? Let me tell you something about chemistry 101. In chemistry, Jeremy Lin is carbon. Carbon is an amazing element, it can be super hard in form of diamond and fragile in form of graphite. Carbon is the most active element known and have more bonding combination with other elements than all the other elements combined.
ReplyDeleteBut apparently in Houston Rockets science, Jeremy Lin is considered as noble element that don't bond with other elements of the team therefor deemed not useful for the team.
It's amine world, Rikki. (o)-NH2
DeleteFurther elaboration why I compare Jeremy Lin with carbon. As most of us know, diamond is formed when carbon is put under extreme heat and pressure as contrary to graphite.
DeleteIn order for Lin to become diamond(successful), Lin needs to be put in position where he can become just that which is deep inside earth's crust which have massive pressure and heat(playing PG position which is his game and become the face of the franchise).
Currently Lin is becoming more and more frail like of a graphite. Lin is no longer have the same heat and pressure because he isn't put in a position where he can become diamond.
Well, just out of chemistry class into geology. You know how much time and noise it takes to polish a stone in a polishing machine, right?
DeleteAfter last year, Lin is now viewed as cubic zirconium with a price of diamond.
DeleteLittle do people know he is the real deal.
Or something even worst, they know he is the real deal, that is exactly why they can't let it happen again.
DeleteLin "frail?"
DeleteThe same guy that withstood oncourt racial slurs, waves of players terrified of being punked by an Asian guy, who absorbs more illegal contact than anybody in the NBA, who stays positive no matter how poorly he's treated or dismissed, and who retains his quality character in a league filled with temptation and greed?
No, it is Lin who's the truly TOUGH guy that has a lot to teach youngsters about how to withstand any kind of negativity that comes his way.
agree 100%.
DeleteNo matter how tough or hard an element, it will break. Being Chinese, I adhere to being soft like water, or bending like a young tree. Too often we measure life as a single defining moment. Greatness is only what others say about you. "do without doing", that's is what Lin does. He lives his life and actions for the love of that life. It is about his spirituality, his love of people, of family of friends and of basketball. The journey and process is expressed in his dedication to his craft, his social responsibility and his spirituality. He doesn't seek adulation because it is what he is. He does what he does without selfish intent, he simply does it because he loves what he does.
DeleteFailure is what we and the mass media chooses to label anyone who dares to achieve something. Lin doesn't define himself by what others say about him. His journey doesn't stop at basketball, it's much bigger than that.
jlin is obviously gold just like khuang is 24k 黃金.
Deletethe dao of empty space works well if your environment is already in harmony. what form is one to take if your environment is caustic?
Bob C F Chan, liked your comments..
DeleteWhy are people getting their blood pressure raised when the season hasn't even started? Wait it out....I'm not counting the pre-season games because coaches are still experimenting. Wait until the regular season and see how the coaches do their rotations, plays, etc.
ReplyDeleteRegarding the podcast, Craig said that Lin will be a starter and mentioned Lin is a good defensive player no matter what others said about his poor defensive plays.
Parsons is a bit over rated. I cringe every time he handles the ball for over 15 seconds. I expect a TO and majority of the time, it's true. Beverley>Lin is laughable. You have got to be kidding me!
My blood pressure already raised ever since the 3rd game of 2012-2013 season
DeleteI can't wait until October 13th when the Rockets are in Taiwan. The Rocket's won't dare keep Jeremy on the bench for fear of instigating a riot. The fan's will shout and it will be deafening demanding that Jeremy be in the game.
Deletealways_lin paid 530 USD for this Taiwan ticket ... was yours that much too?
DeleteNo, I'm in US. Just hope it will be televised here.
DeleteSend the Link when you know.
DeleteOf course they will play Lin. The rox are deceptive but not stupid.
DeleteBut honestly who cares? Lin will not be featured in this offense when it matters.
he best thing that can happen is a derick rose injury to harden. Yeah that is malicious, but honestly after the shit morey pulled on Lin, I ain't gonna lie, there is a small area in my heart secretly hoping for it to happen. And joe team, im warning u, don't u dare play moral police with me.
Yeah I said it. I know some of u are in the same camp. U just won't admit it.
I hope harden has an injury plagued season and morey gets smacked with a ping ping ball to his ugly mug.
an injury to harden is not the best thing that can happen for lin.
Deleteit will be the best thing to happen to houston rockets.
rockets will win a lot more games with james on DL and let jeremy and the rest of the team play smart team ball.
actually i do wish to see lin play with the second team with anderson, jones, smith and garcia. that rag tag group can out play many teams with lin at point.
DeleteiLin could go on another linsanity run and this effers won't believe it and defer back to harden. It will just make Lin more palatable to other teams.
DeleteI am conflicted because I really do not want this franchise to succeed. The earlier he leaves this place, the easier for me to enjoy their failures for many years .
yes i much rather see lin play against houston than for him.
Deleteas long as the refs are fair, lin will totally own harden.
him=them
DeleteThe answer to your question, kianainhi, is that Jeremy Lin is simply too confident and too skilled for worried people to project their insecurities on.
DeleteSour Grapes
ReplyDeleteI don't know ... what's the difference between OFF EFF
106.7 and Lakers 105.6, practically? And Lin sure smoked NY 2x.
might be sour grapes but what d'antoni is saying is the same what i've been saying all along that d12's game is going to cause houston to lose it's edge in terms of up tempo while gaining a few points in the post and gain a few more rebounds per game vis a vis asik.
DeleteSo maybe. But I think a bigger factor on Rox performance will all the bad rotations and play sets McHale will try, and then of course fans will go crazy. I don't get why some people think he's a good coach. He nearly dropped off the playoffs with his stubbornness.
Deletemchell is a known weakness. i think everyone in nba knows he's a worthless head coach.
Deletewhat d'antoni is saying is less apparent but is beneficial to houston because that's what d'antoni would worry about if he were houston's head coach is how to mesh howard with houston's up tempo offense.
something has to give.
I think MT or someone said what you are saying 2 threads ago, and it's all cool. I think if the team spirit is right, we'll see quality new game come out of Rox, but yeah, I don't think it'll be the same pace as when Rox got 23-3s off GSW or nailed the Jazz. Yet, how much tempo do you really need is my question, if other parts of the game is clicking. Personally, I would like to see Lin not kill himself for the next 2 seasons if Rox. I'd love for him to get some nice stats on a reduced tempo (earn his $ with less knee wear), and get a nice next contract with a team that respects him. So, I'm going with the flow of the positive press and hopefully, they give him until Feb to pump him up, or the whole year.
Deletethe up tempo is tremendous wear and tear but also is a necessary evil because mchell doesn't know how to coach so he has to be dependent on his team's youthful legs.
Deleteand, frankly, the speed is houston's only proven weapon. the 3's are streaky. the defense is practically non-existent without asic in the paint (and stupid khuang wants asic to guard perimeter shooters).
how d12 will mesh is an unknown. we do know that mchell is not one to know when and how to make adjustments. mchell had a winning chemistry with harden/lin back court situation by stacking their minutes and having them play off of each other but went away with that.
this shows houston will have a heck of a time transitioning and meshing with their new super star because there's too many prideful players on the team.
can only hope d12 is for real when he says he wants to win and have fun while doing it and hope that translates to more team ball, more ball movement and less ego.
That's why I think they have to work it out themselves because McHale I think lost control of Harden at the end there. If D12 gets support from Lin, then Parsons will come along, and Harden will too. McHale is then in control of the rotations, which if the court players are unified on, ... well, maybe.
DeleteBTW, I feel it's possible for these guys to work it out themselves because all I'ver ever played is unorganized ball, and you can tell how to play to win without a coach. These guys can do it, I hope. I don't think McHale can, given last 2 years and Minn.
Joeteam, I now have a heightened interest in advanced stats since I'm LESS TRUSTFUL of them than I've ever been before.
DeleteYour link had the John Hollinger "Offense Efficiency" rating for NBA teams. On the surface, it appears simple, but it's NOT upon further inquiry.
"Offensive Efficiency Rating" or ORTG is formally defined as "the number of points scored [by an individual or team] per 100 individual possessions". It is a single number arrived at by combining these variables:
1) Scoring possessions
2) Missed Field Goals
3) Missed Free Throws
4) Missed Turnovers
Each one of these variables is arrived at by combining various metrics into a single number, and then those individual numbers are aggregated into a single rating called "Offensive Efficiency".
Here's are the problems with advanced stats:
1) They rely on BOXSCORES.
Occupati0, and others here have noted how Jeremy Lin is routinely CHEATED in boxscores by incorrect scorekeeping. This kind of cheating happens leagewide.
2) When analysts do their weighting of variables (i.e. 3 pointers are more valuable than midrange 2s), that's just MADE UP stuff. No analyst can put a specific value on how much 3 pointers are more valuable than 2s, especially if he's a guy like Daryl Morey that's probably never fired a 3 OR a 2 in his entire life.
In statistics, doing an analysis on data known to be bad (e.g. boxscores) means that one cannot take the analysis as seriously. So when I see NBA franchises going gaga over advanced metrics, I become deeply skeptical about the basketball judgment of those franchises.
What I can say is this: Dwight Howard lacks certain post fundamentals on both offense and defense and it remains to be seen if his two Hall of Fame big men coaches in Mchale and Olajuwon can teach them to him. Until Howard learns them, he'll never truly fit into ANY offense in the NBA.
Ok, KHuang, nice response. So do you mean like Etane and others that Rox offense will not come together simply into more assists for Lin, etc.?
DeleteMe, I think the people mix will cause a major shift in their game-form. It's no longer a hot/cold fast team anymore. And, I was questioning the article's simplistic view that a slower team is worse. Maybe it can be better if the can shape up their post game (lacking last year).
What do people think of Lin's abilities/ability to contribute if they do develop a good post game?
Anyone else love the khuang and joe team circle jerk? So beautiful to see
Deleteif phil jackson were houston's coach, then i think you're right.
Deletebut, you have play favorites mchell.
BOOM! LINE STEPPER!
Deleteword up.
DeleteJoeteam, my prediction is that the Rockets are going to play strictly 2-on-5 offense with Harden and Howard running pick and roll all day long with the other 3 players standing around.
DeleteIt'll be a lot like the old Utah Jazz offense with Stockton and Malone where Stockton passed only to Malone and Malone passed only to Stockton. This resulted in mass freezouts of every single Jazz player not wearing "stockton" or "malone" on his jersey.
From what I've seen, Houston is not going to be run the low post offense that McHale was crowing about when he was first hired by the Rockets. Dwight Howard, even with Olajuwon and McHale tutoring him, lacks the court vision to read situations correctly. When James Harden posted up last season, it was a disaster because opponents would body Harden up and cause him to shoot off balance.
Regardless of what Houston tries to run, Lin can adjust to any situation. The lack of touches off the ball in a 2-on-5 Howard Harden combo would not affect Lin who's very accustomed to low usage situations.
And what's with the LIE that Etane made up about me saying that I want Asik to "guard perimeter shooters"?
DeleteAs usual, that's just Etane MAKING STUFF UP to flame people.
Omer Asik is a serviceable and solid post defender when he's got Jeremy Lin protecting him with help defense and by limiting perimeter penetration. This works against teams with centers that station themselves in the paint, as Omer Asik does not ever step out on the perimeter to help Lin when Lin is battling a two man pick and roll.
Now when Omer Asik faces off against a 3 point shooting perimeter center like Luis Scola, Asik gets roasted from outside and even inside as well. Asik doesn't step out of the paint to challenge the perimeter shooting centers, so guys like Scola fire away from outside with zero defense from Asik. Kevin McHale would bench Asik when teams with perimeter shooting centers would bomb away from the 3 pt line while Asik stayed rooted to the paint.
I used to think that Asik had the ability to improve his lateral footwork to the point where he could step out of the paint to challenge those perimeter centers, but now I'm not so sure. I just don't think he has it in him to improve defensively.
We had arguments about how you wanted Asik to guard perimeter shooters and i disagreed with you. now you're back tracking because you realize how dumb you were back then. typical.
Deletejust like how you said smith and asik playing together will be a disaster then back tracked after lin/smith/asik combo beat the clippers sans harden.
keep back tracking and calling others liars, foo.
Solidz, I don't think it's a problem to try to talk about bball and include others. What would you like to add to that?
DeleteEtane, Administration asked us to stick to basketball.
DeleteMe, I respect Administration's request. Unlike you, I do not regard Administration's request to be disrespected and taunted.
When you LIE about me, I set the record straight if I feel like it. Discussing Asik's lack of defense is pertinent to me and my participation on this Lin forum. I think defense is a big deal in basketball and don't get tired of analyzing it.
@KHuang: "Joeteam, my prediction is that the Rockets are going to play strictly 2-on-5 offense with Harden and Howard running pick and roll all day long with the other 3 players standing around."
DeleteIf this happens, Lin should get a trade now and leave just like maybe he did on the LA minicamp. Hopefully that was just a Volvo or Nike commitment or something.
khuang: bla bla i lied about what i said so i will plea to authority and invoke administration and i love to analyze defense.
Delete@KHuang - It might help if Etane is right for you to say so. He seems to be bringing up a game to say you were wrong, and if that's legit, then let's talk about that. I don't track the Asik defense thing, so I wouldn't know. One of the problems here is we are like old married folks ... old wounds never heal unless we process what's on the table. I don't know what those were, but it seems like that's why they have a life. I've seen you admit when you change your mind, like on McHale. You had said he's great for Jeremy, and I think on the disciplined hard coach front. And later, you have said McHale made mistakes, and that's because he really made mistakes. But here, because everyone takes a hard line in disagreements, they don't change over time. Nothing that's flowed with the team and even JLin's growth grows.
DeleteSo, yeah, if you see some old conversations have changed, let them be right for today so you can be right when you are right. Just a thought, not wanting to create more because this thread today is way more fun.
BOOM! LINE STEPPER!
DeleteOh yeah, good call JK. Definitely a long 2.
DeleteMy bad that is. I see the wisdom is just not talking about it at all.
Deletenot sarcastic, JK. We gotta try everything to not have yesterday's thread and your truce is a good one!
DeleteKen Jeong for President, or at least on ESPN commenting for Lin sometimes
ReplyDeleteShane Battier @ShaneBattier 16 Jul
Funny, I'm the Ken Jeong of the Miami Heat. RT @iDeboTwiggas: Ken Jeong called himself the Shane Battier of the Hangover. #DukeGrads
Ken Jeong · 121,587 like this
February 8, 2012 at 8:59pm ·
Jeremy Lin isn't Justin Lin, but he definitely is Fast & Furious. #Linsanity
By this logic, khuang would call it a success if Lin is became ken Jeong of the rockets or any other team.
DeleteLets not go back to Shane Battier again shall we?
DeleteOh, sorry, I didn't think about that connection. I just love that Ken Jeong, Mr. Chow, can talk ball and Battier shouted him out. I hope JLin gets some celeb shoutouts this year. We need more than KevJumba.
DeleteJoe, how about from Jesse Eisenberg fan fiction back during Linsanity times. It was cleverly articulated and well interpreted by wilc back in the days.
Deletewut's wrong with bringing up battier? isn't he the best player in the nba someone who lin should aspire to become?
DeleteFunny how it goes with some discussion. I think that's my evolved point, Etane. Jeremy should be Battier so Ken Jeong will shout him out like above. And then, JLin will have Hollywood support with all the guys who love his roles in Knocked Up and Hang Over, and then he can intelligently get SAS to give JLin some TV luv.
DeleteTherefore, it looks like KHuang is right on this one ... (ok, just keeping it light and fun if I can). Gulp.
That is one stupid post, JT. Forget the old school etiquette or whatever the dumb rule u made up, i command u to erase this post.
Deletetsk tsk you shouldn't use the F word. jeremy wouldn't use the F word, so you shouldn't use it too in this forum that is church of lin.
DeleteRikki, I did read that one then. On reread and thanks, it's a good, original writing construct! What did wilc say about it? I loved the creative way he spoke to the higher meaning of a JLin archetype in our lives.
DeleteSpeaking of retro, this I saved:
From a younger generation voice, with props!
I had never put the many ideas this guy had together in one cohesive thoughtball. Like the idea that the younger generation identify with that Asian/African American persona. At times, when JLin is interviewed, he has a streetball accent (for lack of a better word) than when he's interviewed with his mom on Chinese TV. I wouldn't have a clue how KPOP came into a world changer, but maybe this articles helps to understand the changes a bit.
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DeleteThis is not the Church of Lin, Etane. It's the narthex of Lin. That's nexus spelled sideways.
Deleteyou still shouldn't use the F word.
DeleteEtane: I hope you don't mean Fu(n) is an F word, else life would be F'd up.
Deleteyou said "funny".
Deletethat's not an F word?
repent! boom!
I confess, repent, and promise to use only the real F word. Now may I have forgiveness and your grace?
Deletehonestly i don't care what word you use = P
DeleteJeremy as sixth man? Back up to beverly? Well i don't believe it. Lin and Asik will be shopped, other teams know that and are waiting for Morey. God knows what will happen...
ReplyDeleteThat 6th man suggestion isn't even a rumor. It's just a random idea Friedman thought of...though it's not the worse thing in the world as long as he gets 25mpg and complete offensive freedom.
DeleteIt seems clear to me that they're planning to trade either Jeremy or Asik at the deadline for a PF. My guess is that Jeremy will prove himself and then some while Asik will play well in 15mpg but still want to be a starter again. Then they trade Asik, an improved/inflated T-Jones and a 1st rd pick for LMA/Love/whoever.
Jeremy is a starter and a very competent starter.
DeleteHe is a very fine basketball player and is improving every day. He hasn't said much but his effort and performance speak for himself.
People has been criticizing him for many reasons but none of them compare him with players of similar age and years of experience in NBA. Those so called weaknesses appear in almost all of the players above but they were received with much more appreciation. We wouldn't call those people Linhaters for no reason.
Portland got lillard and minnie got Rubio. Impossible. They can't get a max player cause they will have to sign Parsons. I'm laughing at people who says Morey did a wonderful job. Howard's contract is a 3+1 ... Parsons' one expires in 2 years. They have the same agent. If tthey don't extend Parsons at his price Howard will go away as well ... And then harden and if they trade Lin they're a rebuilding team again. If i was in them i would trade harden for a pf who can shoot 3s and doesn't want max money. Howard and Parsons would have huge numbers with jeremy instead they stuck with the selfish one. Good luck to them.....
DeleteIt just occurs to me that from Jeremy's comments on the 1st mini camp, he is most likely playing opposite of Harden and Howard. That's probably why the many PnR between those 2.
ReplyDeleteHis side probably has Terrence Jones and Omri Casspi which he is why he is able to notice the great improvements. Maybe Jeremy's gonna make Casspi his new Novak.
I'm sure they probably will try different combinations, but that probably is the reason for his comments.
Omri Casspi is like a bigger small forward version of Jeremy Lin.
DeleteCasspi is a dunking running hardnosed raw athlete who plays hard defense and goes hard as people. Maybe he's not the most skilled guy, but he'll ram the ball down people's throats.
Alongside a nonpassing nonpenetrating point guard like Beverley, Casspi cannot create his own shot. But alongside Lin, it's slam dunks and standstill shots and aggressive defense and no look passes.
Should Lin be put on the 2nd team, the Rockets bench would beat most NBA team's starting lineups.
@KHuang, can we not suggest at all Jeremy be used as a 6th man please? I dislike the idea as Jeremy's stock will plunge further. But correct me if i'm wrong please.
DeleteOmg i didn't notice that.... What a waste from the rockets.... They'll gonna have a miserable season without jeremy
DeleteLin should not be a 6th man, I completely agree.
DeleteI don't think Jeremy being on opposite teams means he's going to be the 6th man.
DeleteThere's no coach so they need a leader on each side. I can see Harden leading one and Jeremy leading the other. I don't see Beverly able to lead the 2nd team.
Good points in your 2 posts JW ... I hope Lin got a few runs with D12.
Deletewow, putting a foul-prone back-up PG as a starter than the proven,actual starting PG? starting the foul-prone back-up that will put the team in early penalty?
ReplyDeletehehehehe... that's really smart of you Morey...
Lin to the RESCUE, just like last season.
DeleteJeremy to the RESCUE & BUTT OF THE BLAME..
DeleteYes, Lin will get blamed no matter what.
DeleteThat's just the way America works, and it's not right.
It's not just America that works this way. Hardworking honest people all over the globe bear the brunt of the work and reap almost none of the benefits/glory. You have to do what's right and just and honest for your own soul and conscious. Just do your own thing and find 'glory' in the work itself, In the pride and praise of family and friends.
DeleteOne of my favorites... and I bet JLin would agree with this:
Desiderata - by Max Ehrmann
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be critical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy.
Max Ehrmann c.1927
very appropo to post this right after khuang's post. he's my model for virtue and especially this line:
DeleteAvoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
"Just listen and follow your conscience." is a lot simpler to remember and easy to understand.
Deletewhat is your conscience telling you right at this moment? mine is telling me to get some work done.
Deletewu kong: right-click copy/pasted. Thanks for a good one!
DeleteYour Welcome Joe! I have it printed and placed in several place so I see it often. I want to live this calm and serene...but I have to be reminded often to breathe and let it go ;-)
Deletewu kong - if you master this one, you will be at peace indeed. Another side to obtain is the ability to affect the world positively when called to duty. That's important if you are a parent. Then one has to use wisdom to go from one to the other. For me, it's the next 2 that is harder and full of risk. But, not mastering the first and using the 2nd well often gets me outcomes I didn't intend. So thanks.
DeleteEtane, my conscience told me the same thing and to cancel the League Pass, so I got some work done and canceled the League Pass. :)
Deletesaved some $$ too!
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ReplyDeleteFrom Phenom to Everyday N.B.A. Player
HOUSTON — At the peak of Linsanity last season, a certain 6-foot-10-inch fan walked into a sports bar to marvel at Jeremy Lin’s abrupt and dizzying performance with the Knicks.
The Houston Rockets were on a West Coast swing at the time. Their coach, the former Celtics star Kevin McHale, had more than a passing curiosity in Lin, and perhaps even a twinge of regret.
“I was fascinated like everybody else,” McHale said.
“Everything he did was full-bore,” McHale said. “I thought he’d be a great energy guy on our team.”
He was the equivalent of an unknown singer who had written a megahit or a nameless writer who had penned a great novel. After a flash of the extraordinary, could Lin sustain a career of the routine? Or would he fade as a one-hit wonder?
“Linsanity was an unbelievable three-week period in his life,” McHale said. “He’ll look back when he’s 80 and go, ‘Man that was magical.’ But magic don’t last forever.”
“It seems like everybody’s perception of me is very bipolar,” Lin said. “To one group, it’s overpaid, overrated; to another group, it’s underpaid, underrated, underdog. It’s funny to me because there’s no real balance. Why can’t I just be a young player who’s shown some potential and has a lot of learning to do?”
to be continued...
DeleteChanging Perceptions
As an N.B.A. point guard, Lin, 24, is not yet fully formed. He has started 107 regular-season games, a total that amounts to less than a season and a half. He is still prone to commit critical turnovers. He moves reluctantly to his left, his shooting touch can abandon him, and he does not always fight insistently through screens on defense. Nor does Houston as a team always move the ball urgently, sometimes leaving its drag-strip offense stuck in neutral.
Lin has essentially maintained his averages of last season. His scoring is down slightly, to 13.4 points a game from 14.6. His assist average is virtually identical (6.1, from 6.2), his 3-point percentage is higher, and his turnover rate is lower.
In December, against San Antonio, Lin matched his career high with 38 points. A week later, he returned to Madison Square Garden with 22 points and 9 assists in a victory over the Knicks that aroused flashbacks of Linsanity.
Mostly, though, Lin has concerned himself with the workaday chore of every young player: trying to improve by increments. He assimilated into the league’s youngest team, flattened the arc on his jumper, tempered his drives with 3-pointers, pulled out of an early shooting tailspin, remained healthy and established a pick-and-roll and drive-and-kick rhythm with James Harden, a dominant scorer and ball handler.
We’re pleased,” said Chris Finch, a Rockets assistant who works with the team’s point guards. “Jeremy is superaggressive. For us, he’s a big X factor.
DeleteOpportunity to Improve
In the preseason, as Lin struggled, each game seemed to become a referendum on his career. Once the Rockets traded for Harden, who went on to finish fifth in the league in scoring average at 25.9 points a game, Lin no longer had to be the face of the franchise. Relieved of the pressure to be perfect, he finally had the luxury of tending to his flaws.
“I look at this as my journey, and it’s just the beginning,” Lin said. “God willing, hopefully this will be the worst player that I am for the next 8 to 10 years until my body can’t hold up anymore. I just want to continue to improve every year. I’ve shown that I can play in the N.B.A. How good I can become, that’s to be determined.”
As expected, there were rough patches. At times, Rockets coaches said, Lin grew discouraged, overthinking, being afraid to make mistakes. McHale said he encouraged Lin to remain aggressive without becoming reckless, telling him, “It’s not going to be 82 games of living on the ceiling, but you can’t remain in the basement for long.”
One of the biggest challenges this season, McHale said, was tempering the public expectations.
“They thought it was going to be Linsanity and he’d average 28 and 11,” McHale said, referring to points and assists. “I was like, ‘No, no, no.’ He had never had this responsibility for 82 games. I was really worried the expectation level would get to him.
“He still has a lot to figure out, but I was really proud of Jeremy, how he handled the ups and downs.”
In retrospect, Lin said the phenomenon of Linsanity — he had the most points (136) by a player in his first five starts since the 1976-77 N.B.A. merger, and it was the first time a player collected at least 20 points and 7 assists in his first five starts — left him exhilarated and scared. He was a quiet man who lost his anonymity, who could no longer blend in on the subway, whose every move was suddenly “critiqued or criticized or appreciated and praised.”
“I’m more than thankful for everything New York gave me,” Lin said. “It helped me grow spiritually, taught me how to be more business savvy, who to trust, who not to trust, how to say no. All the things you usually get a little more time to learn, they came quickly.”
found it ironic that JEREMY SPENT THE NIGHT AT THE KARAOKE SINGING ALONG TO PART OF YOUR WORLD and that news of Morey "planning" to relegate him to 6th man role broke out at kind of the same time lol
ReplyDeleteI just love JLin's attitude and outlook on life.
ReplyDeleteJeremy Lin and Francis Chan to Lead 'Identity Unleashed' Evangelistic Conference in San Francisco
“With all the media attention, all the love from fans, I felt I needed to prove myself. But I’ve surrendered that to God. I’m not in a battle with what everybody else thinks anymore,” writes Lin on Identity Unleashed’s website.
Identity Unleashed
He is mentally very tough....he will be great
DeleteI wish he would spread his message beyond just Chinese Christians. Like speak at churches with more non-Asian people.
DeleteHis story can appeal to all Christians.
I feel that churches are too divided by race in America. Chinese churches, White churches, Black churches, etc. it's just wrong.
makin' me wanna go hear him out.
DeleteJust curious, let's say Lin become a 6th man. If he can average more than 32 mins agame, what do you guys/gals think?
ReplyDeletei'd go for it if it means he doens't have to share the ball with harden but that's wishful thinking.
DeleteIf Lin is not a starter, he won't be voted into the All-Star game.
DeleteAlso, McHale will bench him when the game is on the line, just like he went with Beverley and Tony Douglas in the 4th quarters of close games.
If Lin is a bench player, the rest of the NBA will consider him a 2nd or 3rd point guard off the bench. His next team will treat him that way and he will be paid considerably less, maybe even forced to take a veteran's minimum.
This is all Morey's plan to trade lin. He wants to "showcase" Lin as the actual pg so that he can get his value up without hurting Harden's game.
DeleteThis move is not about helping Lin or improving this team or whatever. It is his scheme to trade Lin off this team.
As long as he finishes game it could be good. Knowing the 4th quarter issues of last year though......
DeleteLet' s say it clear : jeremy is the best creator of the team and the only one who is unselfish. When Spurs had to choose between parker and Ginobili they chose Ginobili as sixth cause parker was a better facilitator. They like harden as playmaker ... The player who was called out by Patterson Parsons etc last year. Now he's got an ego-maniac like him in the team.... See what happens... The next lakers....
Harden was a 6th man, then got a max contract, and there's Ginobili, so I'm okay with it.
DeleteBut I think with Lin truly leading the 2nd team we would see such beautiful team basketball (like the game with no Harden and Parsons last year) that it upstages the "superstars". McHale and Morey would be so embarrassed by this that they send Lin back to be a starter, to shoot corner 3s.
A pessimistic outlook, but that's the evidence that was presented last year.
Dave T: That seems to be the tradeoff.
DeleteJR Smith was the 6th man of the year last season. He got a decent contract from the Knicks. No max contrct.
DeleteIn Jeremy's case, we all know how the entire league has been discriminating him...i'm afraid, his stock will plunge beyond our imagination. Just look at his predicament on the Rox. None of us would have thought how his role could have been diminished by his coaches in the past one year and the marginalisation was so blatant that even the scorekeepers cheated his stats almost every game. And the GM only showed interests in flipping assets, pursuing big names and meeting his P&L figures. Really really sad!
They'll probably gonna give the ball to beverly. Harden is a selfish primadonna. If Howard wants the ball in the post and harden wants pnr they will crash each other pretty soon. Howard didn't want pnr and now he's playing with harden who basically will only pass him the ball thru pnr. Howard couldn't stand Kobe ballhogging and now he's got one worse than him.
DeleteThe difference is, Harden is Black, has a wacky beard, sleeps with many women, and has a big ego. He LOOKS like a superstar player for a franchise. That's why Houston was willing to pay so much for a career 6th man who has never proven anything before.
DeleteMcHale have no problems with Harden jacking up shots, lets his man score 20 pts, plays bad defense, be selfish, and turning the ball over.
However they get very agitated whenever Lin misses shots, gets scored on, or turns the ball over.
Once again, perceptions have worked against Jeremy and amplified his mistakes, while overlooking his successes. Even if he played well, carried the team on his shoulders ... teams will not judge him by the same standards as other players. He can only be considered "good" if he plays 2X better than other point guards. Otherwise people label him "mediocre" and "overpaid".
I think if Lin is benched, the BEATINGS in practice will begin.
DeleteLin has forced his way off the bench in every town he's played in. He beats the players ahead of him so badly that they can't perform in games. And then coaches' heads roll when the players Lin is killing are failing. That's why Lin is COACH KILLA.
McHale hasn't outright benched Lin yet, so he's safe for now. But if McHale does, he'll find out what it's like to have his team blown up from within.
Great players force their way onto the court. That's what Lin's done, and so far he's been slowed by haters but not stopped.
No, Dwight is the coach killa. Lin is the Survivor who wins.
DeleteNow that I think of it, I can't wait for Dwight to fulfill his destiny with the Rox :-)
DeleteA clutchfans' poster... Take it with a grain of salt (is it correct ? :D)
ReplyDeleteI am there now. I went in and prompty shown the door by ucla athletics folks. Most everyone was there. I didn't get any pics because I was trying to negotiate staying quietly in a corner for 30 mins and pulling out my phone would have surely gotten me the boot.
Dwight wearing a white "rockets basketball" t shirt is still crazy to see. Like I know he is on the Rockets but I still can't believe it
Also just to stir the pot
Jeremy Lin was not there!!
I know his tweet but he could have left LA after practice this morning.
But he could have just not shown up yet either
haha....6th man he is I guess..if not leaving
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