It sounds like Jeremy's summer training is going well. Here is a quote from his shooting coach:
Doc:
"He is extremely motivated to be better come September! His shot is now repeatable perfection..thats 78% on all 3's…All situations…The next step is lots of pick up applying it in those conditions!"
it's the in game situation that matters, 78 in all situations sounds like he has been putting a lot of work in. I wonder how the two footed floater is coming along. DWade doing that move a few times last game and it looked quite effective even against pack the paint defence,
ReplyDeleteAgree. Michael Terry mentioned that it is not uncommon for most of the NBA players to make 80% in shootarounds.
DeleteOn similar analogy is how D12 makes 70-80% of his FT in practice.
It's his mindset and confidence that will need to improve. This was what allowed to shoot so well durung linsanity.. his confidence was soooo high that he believed he could make any shot w
Keeping my hopes up but it would've been good to know how he is doing in comparison to last year - shooting percentage wise.
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DeleteI'm not worried about his jump-shooting. I repeat: JEREMY SHOT 40% FROM 3PT RANGE IN HIS FINAL 41 GAMES.
DeleteAnd that doesn't even include at least a dozen "virtual" 3s he made with his toe on the line. Once his knee was healed, he was a near-elite 3pt shooter.
I'd love to see that two-footed floater and more Andre Miller-style post-ups.
It isnt worrying about his current shooting but cheering for him to improve even more. I believe he has an extremely high ceiling. I also wish for his efforts to reflect in his in game performance.
DeleteThe difference between this year and last year is that Lin was recovering from knee surgery.
DeleteOne thing I liked about Kevin McHale's coaching is that Lin didn't play too many minutes. He averaged 30 minutes a game, and that was more than enough for him to get hit with 2-3 phantom foul calls a game and 2-3 uncalled Flagrant One or Two penalties. More minutes means more illegal ref cheating and more illegal hits.
Jeremy Lin won't start the 2013-2014 with a recovering knee and lost conditioning. He'll start out in good health and maybe even the same team from last season.
You guys ever play one of those shooting games where you have to shoot the bad guy but avoid shooting the good guy?
DeleteI think Lin has to practice something similar because his problem is he's not ready to shoot when the ball finally lands in his hands (with 2 seconds left on shot clock).
Doc should do fake passes, some to him and some not. And, Lin has to be prepared for the occasional ball that does come his way.
"JEREMY SHOT 40% FROM 3PT RANGE IN HIS FINAL 41 GAMES."
DeleteTo be technical, Jeremy was 38.6% from 3pt range in the final 41 games of the regular season.
Solidz: "It's his mindset and confidence that will need to improve. This was what allowed to shoot so well durung linsanity"
DeleteLin didn't actually shoot the 3 *that* well during Linsanity. Depending on how you define the Linsanity period. I think we all agree it started with the Nets game.
a) 11 games up to before the Heat game: 36.1% from 3pt
b) 19 games up to before Woodson era: 33.3% from 3pt
c) 26 games to the end of Lin's season: 32.4% from 3pt
has it gotten this bad to boast 78 percent shooting alone in a gym? fire/kill your shooting coach lin.
DeleteWhat, 78% is not good enough for you 7:54?
DeleteBasketball with 5 players in a team is much more dependant on a couple of stars than football with at least twice the number of players. On one camp there are the believers that they only need to buy 3 or more All Stars then they'll win, eg Heat. On the other hand there are the teamwork camp (eg Spurs) who believes that despite the stars, the team with equal distribution of scoring and everyone doing their defending will win.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately Lin has landed on the All Star believer camp even tho it has only one star - Harden. It'll take many years before Rox will be able to buy the requisite no. of stars to win it a championship. In the meantime Lin's job is feed the rookies and underachievers to pad their stats so that the GM can use their increased value to buy another star.
If this is a true state of affairs, no wonder so many supporters of Lin hope that he'll soon be traded to another team - the teamwork type.
With all due respect, this isn't true at all. The Spurs are star-driven too. Their first championship team had the twin towers, Duncan and Robinson. Afterwards, Duncan was legitimately one of the biggest - and highest paid - stars in the NBA. He just didn't have a big media presence because of his personality and San Antonio being a smaller market in a football state. The Spurs only stopped running their offense through Duncan because Duncan got old. But if they had David Robinson and Tim Duncan in their 30s, don't kid yourself as to what their offense would look like. Also, the Spurs have other stars now: Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli etc. Again, they just don't get national media attention. The only way that Parker was able to get a little of it was via his tabloid marriage to Eva Longoria.
DeleteNBA teams have been trying to build balanced rosters with a no star approach and as much talent as possible for years. If that approach actually worked, it would be the one that teams would choose because it is a low-risk, relatively cheap way of building a roster. You could do it through the draft with guys who actually stayed in college 3-4 years and then add a mid-level free agent or two. The problem is that it doesn't work. Teams like that always run into franchises with stars that are able to dominate on both ends of the court and adapt in a 7 game playoff series. This isn't a new thing. It's been that way for as long as I have been watching basketball. The Lakers and showtime, the Celtics with Bird and McHale, then the Jordan era (with a Rockets team that contained Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler and other veteran stars getting theirs in between), then the Lakers era, and then the Spurs era, plus you also had the Pistons (Thomas and Dumars) and the Heat (Shaq and Wade then, the big 3 now). There was also that one season with the Celtics' big 3 of aging stars. Franchises who tried to get it done with a more team approach like the Pacers, the Suns, the Sonics, the Cavs, the Jazz etc. just never got it done. They'd make the conference finals or even NBA Finals but would always lose when the stars were able to take their games to the next level that the good unselfish teammates couldn't reach, like when the Lakers put Magic Johnson in at center in game 7 of the NBA Finals and the guy absolutely dominated.
You can't blame the Rockets - or anyone else - for trying to replicate what has proven to work in the NBA for decades.
And then there is the fact that Lin is a PG. Sorry, but PG has been superfluous to NBA teams since at least the Jordan era because we have seen the rise of combo guards plus small forwards who can handle the ball and run an offense. The only real exceptions are Tony Parker with the Spurs and Rajon Rondo with the Celtics, and even then neither guy was #1 or even #2 on his team. Again, Parker is now arguably the leader of the Spurs but only because Duncan is 38 years old. In general, PGs have been marginalized in the NBA just as RBs and MLBs have been in football thanks to the spread offenses.
DeleteFor football, the way to change that would be if an Adrian Peterson or some other star RB to lead his team to 2 Super Bowl wins. The same for the NBA. Honestly, a very good thing for Lin would be for Russell Westbrook to come back from the knee injury that Patrick Beverly inflicted on him and lead the Thunder to an NBA title or two. That would make the PG position - and particularly a PG who has size and can score like Lin - more relevant again in the eyes of a copycat NBA (and I say that without mocking because what better business model is there than to emulate what works?).
Unless that happens, the NBA is going to stick with what has worked for most of the last 30 years, which is combo guards, forwards with PG skills, and big men who can score and defend in the paint. Title teams have usually had 2 guys who fit that description plus a random third guy, and usually it has been a combo SG, a SF/swingman and a PF. You had a little variation with Duncan/Robinson being centers plus the Spurs with Parker at PG but that's it. Bulls: Jordan and Pippen with first Horace Grant then Dennis Rodman as the 3rd guy. Lakers: Kobe and Shaq then Kobe and Bynum/Gasol with other accessories. Heat: Wade and Shaq and third guy now Wade and James and Bosh. And so on.
Until Lin gets the offensive game to become a member of a team's "big 3", until he becomes as good an offensive player as he is a defensive player, changing rosters won't help him. He'll just go from being non-core player on one team to being a non-core player on another. Or he will go to a roster that emphasizes a "team approach" but never wins anything.
Honestly, if the Rockets sign Dwight Howard, all Lin will have to do is beat out Chandler Parsons for a spot in the Rockets' big 3. I have confidence that Lin can add enough to his offensive game to do so, and can and will do so very quickly. Apparently it is those who are A) unwilling to admit that Lin's scoring repertoire is limited and needs to be broadened and/or B) do not have the same confidence in Lin's ability to broaden that repertoire are those who keep rooting for Lin to go back to D'Antoni (whose offense masked Lin's limited offensive skill set) or to be handed a great team that lacks a star PG like Indiana (as if Lin would be embraced as the leader and star of a roster that already has Paul George, David West, Roy Hibbert, Danny Granger, etc. on it).
Lin has to become more consistent with hitting the wide open outside shot and he has to add stuff like pull-up jumpers/floaters/low or high post game. Otherwise, he will be a limited offensive player who won't deserve a bigger role. And lambasting the NBA for failing to adopt a D'Antoni system that would allow Lin to star won't be a good excuse. First of all, the D'Antoni run-n-gun approach has never won squat in the NBA. It didn't under D'Antoni. It didn't under Paul Westphal. It didn't under Rick Pitino (who doesn't even use that style anymore in college). It didn't under Paul Westhead. Second, even if D'Antoni or anyone like him runs that offense, they're going to want a PG who is as skilled offensively as possible running it. Give D'Antoni a choice between Lin and (a slightly younger) Tony Parker and he chooses Parker every time because Parker is a better scorer.
Good analysis, Unknown.
DeleteThat said, NBA offenses are star driven but NBA DEFENSES require the contributions of all 5 players.
It won't matter how well the Rockets do on both ends of the court if James Harden and Patrick Beverley get LIT UP EVERY GAME like they did last season. Those guys were the two worst defenders in the entire NBA at their respective positions, given how 3rd string nobodies would have All-Star production by attacking those guys.
Harden and Beverley playing better defense would have far more of an impact on winning and losing than any improvements Lin makes to his game this offseason.
@KHuang:
DeleteI was speaking more of Lin personally than the Rockets situation. I was addressing how Lin fans want Lin to leave the Rockets because they fear he won't be "the man" so long as the coaches favor Harden and Parsons. My thing is that if Lin can't even outplay Parsons offensively, then he won't deserve to have his own team or even be a core player. And the talk that he needs to run a specific system or have a specific role to be better offensively than Parsons doesn't wash either. If the current setup is "favoritism" to Parsons (and Harden), what does changing to a situation that favors Lin but disfavors and marginalizes Harden and Parsons accomplish? It is better to get less production out of Lin but more production out of Harden and Parsons than it is to get more production out of Lin but less out of Harden and Parsons because 2 > 1. So the way to get out of that situation is to become a better offensive player than Parsons for the short term and the long term become a better offensive player than Harden so that Lin will be #1 or at least in the big 3 no matter where he goes. Seriously, the idea that any team is going to build a franchise around a guy who has offensive limitations is fantasy, and so is the idea that Lin will walk into a situation with established talented players who have had the success in the playoffs that Lin hasn't yet and take it over.
Anyway, as far as the Rockets go, it isn't just Harden and Beverly. They are a bad defensive roster period. Chandler will NEVER be on anyone's all defense list, which really hurts is because SF is usually the best or second best defensive player on the team. And while Asik is a great rebounder, he honestly isn't good at all in defending the paint. He can't stop low post scorers, high post scorers, nor does he intimidate penetrators with his shot blocking ability. And then there is the PF position which is a disaster.
I know that there is the temptation to focus on Harden and Beverly because they are seen as the main competition for Lin, but trust me the Rockets' defensive problems by no means start or end with those two. The Rockets are 1 great defensive player (Lin) and a bunch of guys who are below average at best in both the starting lineup and the bench.
Right on point, Unknown.
DeleteExcellent post, unknown.
DeleteI can't speak for other Lin fans, but I can speak for myself. This season, I was largely happy with Lin's role on offense. I even largely overlooked Parsons and Harden on offense, though those 8 turnover games by Harden got to me. While I'd liked to have seen Lin handle a bit more, I largely didn't complain because Houston was a top offense in the NBA.
I cited Harden and Bev not in comparison to Lin, but because NBA opponents are able to beat the Rockets by attacking those two. Harden has the physicality and court sense to be a terrific defender, so I don't cut him any slack. Bev I actually forgive a bit because he's a minimum wage player and is trying his hardest despite not having NBA reflexes. I have written here that I'd prefer Harden and Bev to be better defenders, as that would help the Rockets win more.
Despite my scathing review of Harden and Bev's poor defense, I still think that the Houston Rockets' weaknesses on defense are more caused by inexperience as opposed to inability. I would be very happy to see a good defensive effort from the entire Rockets team, whether Lin is there or not.
"If the current setup is "favoritism" to Parsons (and Harden), what does changing to a situation that favors Lin but disfavors and marginalizes Harden and Parsons accomplish? It is better to get less production out of Lin but more production out of Harden and Parsons than it is to get more production out of Lin but less out of Harden and Parsons because 2 > 1. "
DeleteI agree with pretty much everything you wrote in this thread but this paragraph I don't. The logic does not bare fruit that it's either or. Historical evidence proves that when Lin handles the ball, everyone on Rox score at a more efficient rate.
So, when condition is more favorable for Lin, that is not tantamount to less favorable for Harden or Parsons.
And, I believe history has proven that when conditions favor Lin, Parsons and Harden can go back to doing what they do best which is shooting the ball instead of trying to be a PG.
"The NBA is going to stick with what has worked for most of the last 30 years" - quite a few articles and Phil Jackson among them have indicated that the the 3 pointer has changed the game from being star based to being more team based.
DeleteWhereas before, there was no chance that a team could win without a star, these days your chances are much better. New York with Patrick Ewing and Melo have proven that spending big dollars and too star focused results in failure.
There aren't that many stars that can dominate, especially if they're double teamed or are defended by another star. Shaq, Kobe and M Jordan at their best were simply unstoppable not forgetting Bill Russell of course.
Of course, paying for the cheapest players in any sport will almost always result in failure. But these days, investing in the very good players who are below super star and getting them to play teamwork instead of paying top dollar and expecting the star to win in isolation is actually a good chance of winning a championship.
Lin is already outplaying Parsons on offense ... a lot of Parson's points come courtesy of Lin passes, or breaking down the defense. When Lin sits, you see a dramatic dropoff in Parsons' production because he's forced to create for himself .. which he's terrible at.
Delete@rintintin:
Delete"Whereas before, there was no chance that a team could win without a star, these days your chances are much better."
Sure. Let me know when that actually happens and get back to me. And until then, let me know why any team should try to be the first.
"New York with Patrick Ewing and Melo have proven that spending big dollars and too star focused results in failure."
And the scores of teams without guys even as good as Ewing and Melo don't even get that far.
"But these days, investing in the very good players who are below super star and getting them to play teamwork instead of paying top dollar and expecting the star to win in isolation is actually a good chance of winning a championship."
Again, let me know when that actually works and get back to me. Don't get me wrong, it would actually be good for basketball at every level (the NBA, college and high school) if what you were saying came to pass. I am rooting for it. I rooted for the Pacers against the Heat. I was rooting for Denver also. But you saw the results.
ABC Baller:
DeleteI have said in the past that Lin is the best offensive player on the team. However, he isn't the best scorer. Lin needs more offensive moves to become a better scorer than Harden and Parsons.
Etane:
"Historical evidence proves that when Lin handles the ball, everyone on Rox score at a more efficient rate."
Yeah ... and how many games did that happen in? Add up the number of games that it happened with the Knicks and the Rockets and how many? And how often were those games the result of other top offensive players being injured?
That's the deal. You want the Rockets to put the ball in Lin's hands and let Lin lead the team to victory. But the Rockets coaches and GM want to see more from Lin before they do that. Guys, you have to realize that Lin proving that he could be a starting NBA player who is #3 on his team in minutes and attempts and #1 in assists for a playoff team is huge. Now he has the chance to build on that by getting better. Which is how it is for every other player in the NBA who wasn't a very high draft pick (and often even high draft picks don't get a lot of minutes right off the back).
Everyone thinks that the Rockets should be trying to recreate Linsanity. But first, the Rockets need to be convinced that Linsanity can be replicated over an 82 game season with their franchise. And also, the Rockets need to be convinced that Linsanity is championship basketball. That Lin can get the Rockets any further than Steve Nash and Kevin Johnson did the Phoenix Suns under D'Antoni and Paul Westphal, and Mark Jackson took the New York Knicks under Rick Pitinio.
And another thing: advocating for "team basketball" because it will JUST HAPPEN to result in Lin leading the team in scoring and assists and will be the one dominating the ball is transparent. It is merely wanting the Rockets to adopt a system where Lin will be the star. You don't want that to happen because it is the best opportunity to win a title or because it creates more opportunities for everybody else, but because that is what is best for Lin at this stage in his development.
I say that the best for Lin is for him to continue developing so he can be the star in any system, and in a system that allows him to A) win a championship and B) protect his health.
I think that the Rockets can add Dwight Howard this offseason and Lin will be the #3 player, surpassing Parsons, next season. And I think that the season after, Lin can surpass Howard too, and Howard would be mostly a defensive player and rebounder who has a Chris Bosh type role on offense. (That would be good because of Howard's free throw problems.) That is something that might happen. But Lin going to Indiana and Indiana throwing their very effective big men scorers aside to adopt Linsanity? Isn't going to happen. Or for Lin to go to the Lakers and have the Lakers adopt with D'Antoni and Lin what the Lakers already know didn't work with Nash and D'Antoni? Not going to happen either, especially considering L.A.'s long tradition of big men playing a huge role in winning titles (Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, even Bynum/Gasol).
@unknown - agree that NY without Ewing or Melo becomes scrub team, statistically 1-5% chance of winning championship. Only 2 teams that were poorly rated at the start of the season has actually won a championship.
DeleteFact - last 40 years NY with Ewing and Melo - has not resulted in a championship. That is just one instance that GM's still over focus or rely on the stars to win.
Many instances of teamwork team just as competitive as star based team, eg right now Lebron and Wade contributing to most of points for Heat, and Bosh is next but only has half the points as Lebron. Spurs with 4 players all contributing almost equally to their Spur's points is leading 75-71.
In the end, I agree to agree that we have diff pts of view.
The difference between a good team and a bad team is often the coach and not the player. We have seen the
Deletespurs outplaying the Heats and the Spurs have shown many sides of their games. In each of their wining games, they have different players stepped up and commanded the games. They have so many star players because of the coach's decisions. It's great team basketball not like those hero ball of the Rox called in by McHale.
As long as McHale is the coach, the rockets can't amount to anything as a contender.
@Kwok Wai Lai. Agreed that the coach makes the team.
DeleteMcHale all season praised Harden as ..."an out of control freak going downhill, unstoppable".
Popovich said "Duncan is such a teamwork player, sometimes I gotta tell him to take more shots"...
Oh, please. "D'Antoni never won anything" is such a dumb, anti-rational argument. There is no destiny, only probability. The Suns were a championship caliber team that were the victims of some "clutch" (if you believe in fitting narratives to the results of random number generators) or "lucky" (a more realistic view) play by San Antonio. If Tim Duncan doesn't hit an end-of-game OT 3-pointer, or Stern doesn't ban Amare for a game, Phoenix wins one or more championship. There are other universes where Duncan misses, Phoenix wins, and fans later don't get the benefit of making facile post hoc fallacious arguments. And, in both universes, the Suns are the exact same team.
DeleteThe Spurs have a Big 3, but it's not remotely a Big 3 that fits the claimed model. There's basically zero chance that Tony Parker would have become a top PG on any other team. Zero chance Ginobili becomes a top 2 shooting guard in his prime. Parker was drafted 28th and Ginobili drafted in the second round. San Antonio developed these guys, gave them time to grow, and plays team basketball. Ball hogging simply isn't allowed. It's hilarious how San Antonio provided this blueprint right out in the open and yet people try to explain it away through various means.
DeleteAnyone who's followed San Antonio knows that most Spurs fans were not sold on Tony Parker at all, even through his first championship. The Spurs just have a better player development model and team philosophy. It's not an accident that every role player brought to the Spurs becomes a great spot up shooter. The teach basketball there. Houston just collects talent.
On a side note, another way to dispel the myth that D'Antoni's system doesn't win anything is to point out that in interviews in the last two years, Greg Pop has specifically said that they now model D'Antoni's old Suns offenses.
Playing team basketball can and does win championships. Player development wins championships. Requiring your star players to check their egos wins championships. The Spurs are proof of that. Tim Duncan is great but he can't win championships by himself.
Heh heh.
DeleteI did make the argument last year that I believ Tim Duncan is a true one man team.
I wrote last year that Duncan was winning championships and contending every season with just 1 and a half players beside him. Duncan is so good that you can put a D league team with him and he'd probably still get them into the playoffs.
Nothing against Gregg Popovich, but he's absolutely right when he cites Duncan as the main reason he's considered such a great coach.
I'd love Jeremy Lin to become a guard version of Tim Duncan. I see ample signs of that happening.
Unknown, excellent posts regarding the star-driven system that have been proven to win championships but I disagree with the assertion that Lin as a PG would have to be a more prolific scorer than Parsons to be considered part of the core team. Lin doesn't need to score more than Harden or Parsons, he just needs to be trusted to be the true PG or primary ball-handler/playmaker.
DeleteWhile stars definitely are needed in the NBA to pull off a W in the crunch time (Even the team-oriented Pistons won championships by relying on Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince to score in the crunch time and Ben Wallace to anchor their defense.), it does not absolve Houston's misuse of Harden and Lin last season.
It shouldn't conclude that Houston Moreyball system with emphasis on 3-ball and at-rim shots only are perfect. Nor giving Harden/Parsons more ball-handling responsibilities than Lin would be the winning formula in the long-term to win championships for Houston. Or discouraging midrange game completely. It's a lunacy in a chaotic system and it has never won NBA championships.
There were major reasons why Calvin Murphy called out Lin to handle the ball more than Harden and George Karl called Lin to be the engine for the Rockets. Lin simply does a better job to elevate his teammates' play than Harden, including a fluid ball movement that coaches preached
Lin doesn't need to be the top scorer if he's allowed to be "the" PG as he alluded in his post-game interviews. He was trying to tell the coaches in a not-so-subtle way that he can contribute with more wins if he's the main PG, not when the multi-PG system was used.
My biggest contention with Houston mis-usage of Harden and Lin was the lack of accountability. McHale as a coach shouldn't have given Harden 100% freedom when he stops the ball movement. And he should call out Harden on his ~29pts, 8TOs game. As a coach, he did not believe in Linsanity but did not mind Harden-sanity.
I understand there was a lot of experimentation in the first season with Harden and Lin being ball-dominant guards but I don't have high confidence that Lin would be given a role as primary ball-handler in his 2nd season.
I believe Lin would improve offensively to play in Houston system but I have no doubt that his true potential as a star would only happen when he is allowed to the true PG, being primary ball-handler. And it is less likely to happen in Houston due to the redundant skill set with Harden and Harden being a more explosive and consistent scorer offensively. That is just a sad reality for Lin fans.
So again, Harden simply took Lin's job as the primary playmaker because he's the better offensive player despite being the worst offender in the 'sticky' ball movement that McHale hates. Lin can never fully realize his true potential when he's not allowed to be the true PG.
Let me add that I also believe Lin needs to work to be a more consistent shooter and versatile scorer with floaters to excel in the multi-PG Houston system. To earn coaches trust, he also needs to prove that he's not high risk to be oft-injured.
DeleteBut no doubt he's more effective and better off playing in a more traditional PG system (including how he and Melo played last season) than the multi-PG system.
Poll: Most Americans Cheering For Spurs In Finals
ReplyDeleteInteresting breakdown by political affiliations, race, vegetarians/meat-eaters.
Where are asians stats in this poll?
DeleteDespite being the fastest growing minority group they just asian stats don't show up in many polls and studies.
Pay attention to the polls on education achievement. They leave off asian stats as if they were outliers. Repeated again for emphasis -- asians are the fastest growing minority group.
Asians Americans have the highest educational achievements scores in the world -- higher than those of students in any asian country. White Americans have higher test scores than those of any European country. Why does the educational industrial complex leave off asians statistics?
Disregarding asian statistics is an insult and it produces incorrect conclusions.
Just a PSA. This is not meant a slam on you psalm.
np, xgametheory.
DeleteIt would be interesting if the companies who conducted the surveys deemed Asian-American to be in lower % to be categorized as 'other minorities'.
Lin's presence has brought a throng of Asian-American audience in the NBA anywhere he plays. Perhaps the surveys will be adjusted differently in a few years.
I'm hoping that Jeremy Lin is working on his stop and pop jumpers and his turnaround jumpers.
ReplyDeleteIf he can perfect those moves, he'll be a complete offensive player.
Original unknown back again (as you can see with my very long posts above.) Well, you and I agree on something!!! We kind of disagreed over whether Lin was a complete offensive player in the past - especially when Lin was still with the Knicks - if I recall. We also disagreed on whether a PF or a backup PG would help Lin's game - and the Rockets - more. I had the former opinion, you had the latter, although a lot of that has to do with our diverging opinions on Asik's offensive potential (you have a higher opinion of that than I) and on Patrick Beverly (I say he is a decent backup PG, you say he is garbage and a liability).
DeleteWell on this we can agree. "Stop and pop jumpers" are really the pull-up jumpers that I keep nagging about. I emphasize the pull-up jumpers not because of a lack of belief that Lin will ever be a great 3 point shooter, but rather because I know what a weapon a pull-up jumper is for a wing player with both quickness and size.
A turnaround jumper, meanwhile, is more useful if a player has a low post or high post game. Not saying that Lin shouldn't develop a post game down the line, but I would rather him focus on adding things to his main strength, which is attacking the basket, for now. Things like pull-up jumpers, finger rolls, floaters etc. are stuff that Lin can do when facing and attacking the basket while making those split-second decisions that he is so good at. Stuff like turnarounds and fade-aways are better if you stop facing and attacking the basket and instead get in the blocks and/or back the guy who is guarding you down. I guess you can say that facing and attacking the basket you are attacking the entire defense, but the turnarounds and fadeaways are when you are attacking one man, which is more like iso play.
Again, I don't have a problem with Lin adding those, but I think it would be better if he would make such significant changes to his offensive game 2-3 years down the line. I would rather him spend the short term, the upcoming season and the next, adding more to what he already does well.
@unknown...excellent analysis and eagerly hope that you can post more. How you evaluate Lin as far as his defense is concerned. TIA.
DeleteUnknown, I've written about Jeremy Lin's need to have a back in half pivot spin move for him to make the stop and pops and turnaround jumpers from.
DeleteHere's exactly what I'm talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x7V5bTsm5A
You and I know exactly who Oscar Robertson is, Unknown - one of the greatest guards in NBA history.
Here, the "Big O" uses his hips and butt to pivot into opponents and force them to react. Even though this footage is from 50 years ago when the NBA game was called much more tightly than it is today, the fundamentals are the same.
I would like Jeremy Lin to be able to add that half spin pivot to his repertoire. That way he can either bump guys for the turnaround off either shoulder or lull them into relaxing before blowing by them for a quick stop and pop jumper.
Here's an actual tutorial on the aspects of creating space for those turnarounds and midrange jumpers, as taught by one of the best point guards in recent history - Wizards assistant coach Sam Cassell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PLWvSqkDAU
I meant to say that I've seen Jeremy execute those moves very successfully in actual NBA games, but he doesn't do so consistently because he hasn't had to until he got to the NBA.
DeleteUntil Lin got to the NBA, his sheer speed and athleticism were enough to get by any defender. Even in the NBA, he had the run of the league until teams scouted him and started bumping him off his drives and smothering him with double teams.
If Lin can master that little pivot, I think that's pretty much all he needs to become a complete scorer at the NBA level.
kh, don't you remember the only reason why lin is smothered when he drives is because he has no one to dump the ball off to IF he's double coveraged?
DeleteHopefully, GS and OA can learn how to position themselves so as to receive those dump offs, then no team in there right mind will be doubling off lin on his drives.
Of course I remember.
DeleteLin having that spin move will only help him maneuver better through the traps.
I'm ambivalent on the stop-and-pop jumpers. Even the ones who have that shot can shoot their teams right out of a game as often as they get hot (e.g. Westbrook).
DeleteAlso, unless it's "panic time," nothing would annoy me more as a player than seeing my starting PG pull up for a jumper early in the shot clock. That shot is for the JR Smith/Jamal Crawfords of the world -- "instant offense" 6th men.
Thanks for this link!
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PLWvSqkDAU
I love that post-up turnaround jumper. That is PERFECT for Jeremy and yet I've seen him do it only a couple times...ever. Not only does it make use of his superior strength, but it also has the added bonus of a potential for FTs even if he misses.
I've seen tons of "bail-out" calls on that play because most guards are unused to banging in the low-post and big men (looking for the easy block) will bite on a pump fake.
@Unknown, not true, a lot of turnaround jump shots come from wing players cutting through the paint, getting the ball and turning to the basket for a mid-range jumpshot.
DeleteThat's something JLin needs to work on, if he's going to be playing "off the ball" he needs to do more baseline cuts and cuts through the lane. He can't just be a stand still shooter, that's easy for the other team to defend.
In the last season, there were just too many blown assists. Good passes resulted in turnovers and missed shots. Jeremy needs someone who could catch the ball in offense and he definitely needs someone like Chandler. The Rox didn't do too much to improve their games. In the last minutes, they turned to the Beard whether he had a bad night shooting.
DeleteBad coaches wasted good players.
Lin's training now with an entire season of starting under his belt will pay higher dividends than his training on the off-season last year. Also, he has a far better grasp of precisely what to drill and improve. 78% is very impressive even if it's not in an in game situation. I think Lin can become a 40% 3 point shooter. Also, as khuang has mentioned, he won't be starting this season coming off an injury... that will make a huge difference: No doubt.
ReplyDeleteEverybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - from philosopher Iron Mike
ReplyDeleteWith that theme from Iron Mike guiding this post, all these summer percentages means nothing in a quantitative sense (who knows, he could have only taken 100 shots) but it does prove he isn't banging groupies or getting fat all the time. All I care about is his form stays consistent when he is on a back to back, mauled by officiating, with Harden demanding the ball with his 7/21 game, and Mchale putting him in after a 12 min break...
and be confident enough to (1) take a jumper with this "improved summer jumper" because he can (2) make it
instead of deferring to max player because Jeremy is such a team player.
So who is Doc implementing to play Harden and McHale's role in "all situations"?
Does Doc have Jeremy play 4 min. Rest for 12 min. Then shoot?
Do they fly out Sampson or someone who is similar so they can have his irregular substitution pattern implemented?
Do they have all 3 people bunched up together and standing around so Jeremy has no space but to take a difficult jumper?
Do they have Bill Laimbeer beat up on Jeremy for 24 minutes and then tell him to shoot the aforementioned 78% three? Since I mean, he'll never get the officiating calls and Laimbeer can go all Detroit Bad Boys on Jeremy to replicate a common situation
Can they have somebody kick Jeremy in the chest hustling for the ball and then tell him to shoot? Or perhaps have Jeremy drive and then someone pull his hair and body slam him. Then tell Jeremy to shoot the jumper?
Do they have the trainer hug him and tell him its ok everytime he misses?
As a fan I am very curious about all "game situations"!!
I think in some ways you're missing the point. I feel safe to assume that most NBA players, even in the most controlled situation possible, will not shoot 78% from the 3. It is significant that he can muster this kind of accuracy even if it's not an in game situation.
DeleteI think you're both right. But, I do like simulating game time situations. I used to train at Cung Le's dojo that used interval training, that is using a continuous interval timer set to go off at the 2 minute round interval and 15 second subintervals to pace oneself.
DeletePerhaps Coach could use an interval timer set at 24 second subintervals. During each subinterval Lin could do various things such as pushups, popups, running from sideline to sideline, running from baseline to baseline then be passed the ball for a shot before the timer goes off. Perhaps Lin could pay one of the local HS player to guard and get physical while he's doing his drills.
In pro sports, there isn't really any way to truly simulate actual game time experiences in practice.
DeleteThat's where TALENT and BIG GAME EXPERIENCE comes into play - and Lin's got both.
All Lin or any other player can do is practice to have a complete set of skills, work on his specific needs, and get some live run whenever he can.
As far as simulating the big game experience, one can try various aspects to a certain point. I remember a story of a coach holding a broomstick in the air so that Lew Alcindor could shoot that devastating sky hook over a simulated opponent.
pierrot - sarcasm much?
Deletei think jeremy should train to play the PF position this year.
trying to guess what position jeremy will play next season is like trying to hammer a ground hog.
I really do not understand what "All situations" meant. I assume it is very significant achievement tho.. 78% in a casual situation obviously are not difficult. In simulating game situation, I guess, is another story.
DeleteDog gots the game time situations covered:
Delete"The next step is lots of pick up applying it in those conditions!"
78%, no matter how you look at it, is extremely noteworthy.
Brent, shooting 78% from the NBA 3 in a "casual" situation is extremely challenging because it's extremely challenging to have that level of consistency.
Delete*Doc, not dog
Delete@Bamboo, I think most pro player (those whom need to shoot 3s of course) can shoot pretty good without pressure.
DeleteBrent, this demands qualification. I agree with you that most pros who need to shoot 3s will shoot them well without pressure. But I bet you 78% is an extremely high percentage even among those pros. Now, both of us are speculating at this point so until someone can give us hard data we're both speculating.
DeleteI know if I just stand there shoot by myself, I can do 70% give or take when I was still playing bball. That's why I assume most PRO can do at least 1000 times better than me and get about 80%. But you are right, hard data is needed. :P
DeleteWere you shooting from the NBA 3 or college 3? There is an infinite difference between the two.
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DeleteI do not know exactly, it was about 1.5 Meters behind a FIBA 3 pt line. Maybe it was still closer than a NBA 3.
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ReplyDeleteRockets look to spend big in free agency
ReplyDeletehttp://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/06/rockets-look-to-spend-big-in-free-agency/
Just want to share I already got my preseason ticket.the tickets behind the bench are sold out! My ticket is across Rockets bench.I doubt those who bought tickets are my fellow men.after all I live in Miami Heat/lebron james nuthuggers nation
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DeleteOh oh.. Not surprised that the most expensive tickets are sold out in a couple of hours or even less...i bet u, those that bought them are your fellowmen and mine as well... You wouldnt believe that there are a lot of rich people there who are willing to spend their money on luxury despite being considered a 3rd world..i bet too that many got vomplimentary tickets as people are used to utilizing their connections... For one, kris aquino's sis is a big nba fan.. Im happy u still got the ticket tho not the seat u preferred... I just hope that jlin will still be with houston by then....
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DeleteI'm also slightly skeptical what "78% in all situations" means. @JLinFan#1, got any clarifications on that?
ReplyDeleteIMO, it's not that meaningful what he shoots in 3pt drills. Last summer, Doc said that Jeremy shot extremely well in the drills. Also, in drills, you're just shooting 3s all day long, so you can zone in at that range. In a real game, you're mixing up all your shots, and you have much less shot attempts, so it's much more difficult to be accurate across all ranges.
Everyone needs to start somewhere. The key is repetition... The more he shoots, the more comfortable he will be with his form. The form is the foundation. But the most important thing is confidence, and that only Jeremy can develop for himself.
DeleteI'm sure Novak, Ray Allen, and Freddette all started by doing simple drills that lead to good form.
Not to rag on Novak and Fredette, but Jeremy Lin has been a better NBA scorer than either of those two.
DeleteNovak had his greatest shooting season because of Lin. He's truly a player who's basically "nothing" without Lin feeding him.
Novak is a good example of how impactful a great passer like Lin can have on a player who normally is buried on a NBA bench.
Like I said earlier, I believe 78% is a good achievement, otherwise Doc will not mention it at all.
DeleteComparing Jimmer and Novak to Lin's shooting isn't the same. Novak is a spotup shooter, that's really his main offensive weapon. Although Jimmer is a better scorer than Novak, he doesn't score the same player as Lin nor does he have the advantage in his first step like Lin, so he relies more on his shooting.
DeleteI see what Real-DSB and other people are still skeptical about Lin shooting in practice. I think part of it is his style of play. His first option is always trying to break the defense by blowing by them using his first step and if he can't get inside, he'll kick it out.
I'm curious to see the other moves Lin is able to improve, including adding the floater or using more of a the Euro-step. Just better overall including his dribbling. His perimeter shooting is essential playing alongside a dominant ball-handler like Harden for sure, but if he can improve the other ways in attacking then it be much more difficult for opponents to guard him.
But it's also about progress and I agree that first things first and Lin needs to test his skills in pickup ball. I remember Harden saying he's going to invite other Rockets players, including Lin, to train together during the off-season so there's a start.
Lin could also always go practice with the Taiwanese team as they prepare for the Asia Championship this August,practice with Dongguan and their Australian coach, or even against other players at the Stanford facility.
I really just like the fact that Lin won't have to rehab this summer and has many options to test his game this off-season.
Your skepticism is well-founded. Last off-season Lin was supposedly hitting his shots at an extremely high percentage, too. Guards don't get to take 100 3-pointers in a row and it's way easier to make 3-pointers if you're only shooting 3-pointers.
DeleteI don't agree with this method of practice, actually. Research shows that humans do best with a type of practice that integrates all fundamentals, not isolates.
If I were Lin, I'd do whatever it took to get Steve Nash to work me out. Nash dominates despite being far less athletically gifted than Lin. Nash has said that if everyone trained as hard as he does, he'd be out of a job. And, Nash does integrated fundamentals training, so either by accident or by reason, he trains in the way that science says is ideal.
Here's an example of a Steve Nash workout:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RmkzNqATS0
Although, maybe Lin is doing more integrated work than I realize. I'd rather hear about that stuff, if that's the case. Old-fashioned shooting drills will also work, just not as well. Working hard will often get you were you want to go, one way or another. I'm still hopeful Lin develops an elite jump shot next year.
So far, Lin as a 3rd year player with a completely wasted 1st year and a partially wasted 2nd year has been an incomparably better scorer than Steve Nash and Novak and Fredette.
DeleteAnd as far as playing the low usage off the ball role goes, Lin as a low usage player under McHale was much more effective than Nash was last season under D'Antoni as a low usage player.
There's no substitute for NBA experience when it comes to making shots, and Lin now has that. He's played through the entire league for the first time in his career, so now he knows what to expect from NBA opponents.
The way Lin was defended last year, I can hardly imagine him being defended any harder.
BTW, about this 78% stuff, I remember Doc said almost exactly the same thing last year. And we all know how Lin shoots came out of last summer. In this sense, maybe 78% is not a good thing? I think he said 78-82% last yrs.
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ReplyDeleteThe threat of the James Harden-led Rockets signing Howard away from L.A. is very real to the Lakers, sources said, which means the Lakers will eventually be getting a sign-and-trade pitch from Houston as well. The Rockets will have the cap space to sign Howard outright after the expected shedding of Thomas Robinson's contract, but sources say that the Rockets will certainly attempt to convince the Lakers to take in return Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin in a sign-and-trade deal for Howard, thus theoretically keeping alive the possibility that Houston could preserve its cap space to pursue Chris Paul and possibly pair Howard with Paul.
ReplyDeleteGetting more and more exciting!!
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DeleteHope Lin will move out of the Rox.
DeleteLIN to the Lakers! That'd be great! :)
DeleteA few days ago, I read on hoopshype that the Lakers don't want Asik and Lin for Howard.
DeleteTheir stance was that the Rockets would have to give up Harden at the least.
Of course, the season hasn't ended yet and Howard has not made up his mind yet.
I'm not concerned about Lin, no matter what happens. I would be concerned if Lin had real holes in his game.
Lakers just want cap space, period. They don't want to take back any players in a sign and trade. It's LA, they can sign any free agent they want down the road, as long as they have cap space to do it.
DeleteThere was an Opposing Views article that called Lin "overrated and overpaid".
DeleteTypical racist media BS, criticizing a $5 million 1st time starter who had fantastic production for the small money he was paid.
On this site, Lin is "underrated and underpaid" - and we here will throw the books at anyone who'll contest us.
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This compilation shows me that JLin already has the pull-up and turn around jumpers, and sufficient offensive repertoire to be a core offensive piece. He did not have the chance to show us more and to practice these moves more in in-game situations because of artificial limitations. The season can be considered wasted, not based on the claim that he did not gain any skills, but because he could have further developed these and other skills had he been allowed the opportunity.
Delete@via...nice find, thanks a lot. I enjoyed his passing more than his scoring. so joyful to watch.
Deletea joy to watch, indeed. :)
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Hi via !! Just got my own jlin signed ball from ebay...lol.... So happy to win the bid...only setback is he was with ny when he signed it, it has #17 on it....next time, i hope to get my own ball signed personally by jlin...maybe isabelli can do it when she sees the game in MOA
DeleteI think the NY Knicks #17 Lin signed ball and jerseys will be worth a lot more $$ because it was during a limited time window.
Delete@jlin74ever~ ABCBaller's probably right about #17's worth...but getting some more signatures fr him [@ MOA or wherever possible] is never a bad idea. :D
DeleteWhat if:
ReplyDeleteLakers sign and trade Howard for griffin and Bledsoe then trade the gasol's expiring contract for both Lin and Asik? In this case houston get rid of Asik and Lin poison pill and clear the cap for the free agent of 2014....
Oops i forgot ... Trade gasol and Bledsoe for Lin and Asik ... Bledsoe Looks like a better beverly and he's got an expiring contract too
DeleteThere needs to be a 3rd team involved if they want to do that trade right away or the trades need to be straight up.
DeleteIf the Lakers acquire Griffin and Bledsoe from the Clippers, they can't combine both Gasol and Bledsoe and trade them to the Rockets right after. Bledsoe can go straight up but he can't be packaged right after, since it's against CBA rules. A team would have to wait until December to trade a newly acquired player in a combined package via trade.
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Rockets owner ready to ante up for big playoff run
ReplyDeleteDid anyone see this?
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I wish JLin all the best next season. If he does end up in LA he'll have tons of fan support, not to mention (and more importantly) a coach that has a proven track record of faith and trust in JLin.
Tons of fans? Don't expect too much. The only genuine Lin fans in LA are mostly Asian. Don't expect too much from the rest of typical #dumb #YOLO #SWAG young American
DeleteI guess in LA, there are tons of Asians????
DeleteRikki, interesting stereotype. Well... Somehow I don't think you're accurate on this.
DeleteDear God I hope I'm not "accurate" too. "They" maybe not be as many but they sure as hell the loudest. Being loud and dumb at the same time also breed stupidity around them.
DeleteI hope if it have to happen, then Jeremy will win them over somehow.
still hoping he goes to LAC instead of LAL. the tickets will be cheaper.
DeleteMDA isn't a good coach. He doesn't adjust, always does the same thing. He's gonna run Lin into the ground again by playing him 40+ mins every game.
DeleteAgree with Yeppp. The last thing Lin needs to do is to play for D'Antoni and get injured.
Deletebenefit of doubt? knicks were running on fumes with so many on DL.
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ReplyDeleteLeBron James was a -9 tonight, the worst +/- of Miami's starting lineup. Manu Ginobili was a game-high +19.
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Lin initially will stay in Houston in the next season.
ReplyDeleteOnly chance of Lin leaving Houston is the trade of Cliff Paul, which is very difficult but not impossible.
I was sort of impressed by 78% shooting, in whatever situations -- until I saw the below video:
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Denny Green's body facing the basket is similar to Lin's shooting form, but his form and follow through looks so much better for some reason. Lin has to get some shooting lesson from the same guy who taught Green to shoot.
So Laurie Koehn shot 98% in a 3pt practice drill. But her WNBA career 3pt is 43%, and she never started a single game in her 5 years in the WNBA.
DeleteThis reminded me about 15 yrs ago, I think there was a Japanese player who made 981 out of 1000 3s, in practice.
DeleteI watch the WNBA. Laurie Koehn was a career spot up shooter, with no defense, dribbling, rebounding, etc. Whenever she was on the floor (rarely) no team would ever leave her wide open. Thus she didn't have any open shots. She couldn't stop anybody on defense, so she was mostly put in at the end of quarters for the last shot.
DeleteDanny Green is different. He is a good spot up shooter, defender, and rebounder. His well rounded game fits into the Spurs system like a glove.
Everyone on the Spurs roster is a solid on-ball and help defender. If he was not, the GM would waive or trade him ASAP.
McHell: help defense? wut's that?
Deletereal-dsb, that's my point. 78% shooting during practice does not mean Lin will shoot well during real games, especially since a player who shot 98% during practice averages only around 43% in 3 points. It might just mean Lin will shoot 35% during real games. What Danny Green is doing is pretty amazing, I think.
DeleteIt took Danny Green 4 years at University of North Carolina (A basketball powerhouse), several years in the D-League, and 3 years with the Spurs to get to where he's at now. He didn't just "come out of nowhere" like Jeremy Lin.
DeleteGreen shot 41% in college, was drafted in 2009, Spurs sent him down to D-League several times. He has always been a career shooter.
I have not yet seen someone shoot 3 points so well game after game in important games. I saw some players shoot great for 2 games maybe, but this is insane. If he keeps up this shooting and Spurs win, he should win MVP.
DeleteBrotherly support
DeleteDanny Green is essentially UNGUARDED.
DeleteThat's what happens when you play with arguably the greatest player in NBA history in Tim Duncan and have a penetrating scorer like Tony Parker working off Duncan.
Now if Danny Green were battling single coverage, let alone traps and doubleteams geared specifically to stopping him, it would be a very different story. He's the guy that Popovich says has "no moves".
Charles Barkley inadvertently pointed out what I call the "Duncan Effect" years ago. He said "Malik Rose is a nice player, but I guarantee you he'd be getting boxed out if Tim Duncan weren't there".
Danny Green vs Miami's bad perimeter defense
DeleteCoach Musselman coached Danny Green
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What Pops did for struggling Ginobilli by starting him last night and extending his minutes is exactly how you show support for your player and place him in a position to succeed. This is in horrific contrast to what mchale and the rox as an organization ro Jeremy, benching him at every mistake when the mistake wasn't even clear.
ReplyDeleteI hear a lot of noise from Lin fans lately saying oh Morey did what he is supposed to do by looking for the best player and oh, you need superstars to win in nba, oh pg is no longer important position made useless by the likes of Jordan and lebrons. And it's up to Jeremy to play better etc
Well I say eff that. The fundamental problem is this franchise's blatant distrust and disregard of Jeremy's potential as a superstar. As long as this team fails to give Jeremy that trust, it will be almost impossible for him to reach his potential. Some argue that it wouldn't change if Jeremy leaves the Rox... Well I disagree. If they put enough faith in Jeremy to play the role of a point guard, they will ultimately become a believer..unlike the Rox who repeatedly ignores and downplays Jeremy's role when he is THE pg if the team.
Jeremy needs to find a coach who will support him like pops. At the very least give him a chance to run the team. Jeremy is wasting away his talents on a team that is looking for short cuts to a title, that will never come.
^ That's the thing, they don't have faith in Lin. How do you know Pop or any other coach(except for MDA) will support him? If he gets traded, He might get treated better depending on the team, but overall most people don't believe in him.
DeleteI think Lin is just stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Hopefully, he plays out the rest of his contract without injury. Then use the money to start up a business or do something else. The racism in the NBA is plain disgusting to say the least.
I have a mixed feeling on this issue. First, Manu has done a lot more than Lin during playoff and regular games than Lin, so that Manu should definitely be given such opportunities. Second, Spurs had no choice but to start Manu to match Heat's small line-up, whereas Rockets think they can do it differently than making Lin a more important piece of their success. This is not to say Lin was NOT improperly used. I am sort of in the middle between two ways of thinking: a great player will adapt and rise to the top no matter what the system and that Lin will play better and better vs. Lin was not used properly because they did not have enough faith in Lin for whatever the reasons. All Lin can do is to improve certain aspects of his game.
DeletePretty sure Pop will have a positive opinion of Lin had Lin played a year under Pop.
DeleteHopefully, Lin will grow and grow as a player to a point where they can no longer consider him as a role player who has to defer to other players.
DeleteNope. U guys don't get the point. It's not handing him complete trust without him earning it. All a coach has to do is to simply let Jeremy play his effing position. Not this bs make shift offense. You run the traditional pg led offense which majority of teams do, I have no doubt that Jeremy will excel at it.
DeleteWhat, u think when Jeremy moves to a different team, they will let everyone run the point like the Rox do? What position does Lin even play on the Rox? Hell even bev gets to handle the ball more than Lin when they are in the line up together. They are making Lin into a completely different player than what we saw in Linsanity and some of you agree with it like David hardisty.
I have never even advocated for lin to go to lakers. He can go to Charlotte for all I care as long as he is THE pg of the team. And I have all the faith in the world that Lin is as great of a pg as any player to absolutely get the teams trust. And I don't consider letting a player play his natural position as catering to him or treating him special.
And dont misinterpret my intent. The reason I pointed out ginobilli was to show the opposite ends of the spectrum of a coach's trust in a player.
And pop wasn't forced to insert ginibilli in the lineup like he had no other choice. In fact, prople were clamoring for ginobilli to play less because he played like shit in game 4 snd the test if the playoffs up to that point. But being a great coach that has shien again, Pop knows better.
It's simply matter of trusting players and their ability. This is solely lacking with the rox when it comes to Lin. In fact that whether it's bev or cp3, I'd argue that they are always looking to replace him.To say otherwise is turning blind to what is clearly an effed up situation that is unlikely to improve much next season.
This is why I want Jeremy reunited with D'Antoni in LA.
DeleteEven if he's relegated to 6th man/Jarrett Jack-PG when Kobe comes back, he'd at least be allowed to play his position for 25mpg.
the point is mcfail suckz.
DeleteMorey is a dick too. I hope those who defend him on this site gets hired to a new job, have their boss compliment them on what a great job they're doing, come to their housewarming party, and then get replaced because why shouldn't the boss always look to find a better hires. That is his effing job, right?
DeleteI would at least understand it came from a clutchfan but from a lin fan? Yeah u guys know who u are., morons. I really hope it happens to you and/or your children.
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DeleteYeah u better erase your comment... U got nothing to say do u?!
DeleteI was going to respond to you, but then I realized I didn't need to say anything as the gravity of what you said stands on its own. I will never respect anyone who wishes harm on others and their children just because you disagree with them.
DeleteTalking about other people's children... wow. I have no children, but when you do this, you lose all respect from me.
DeleteI agree with your contrast of Pop trusting Manu and believing in him to being the 180 degree polar opposite of the trust, support, and faith that Jeremy DOES NOT receive from McHale. It's clear that Jeremy barely gets one drop of belief and encouragement from the Rox coaches and FO as compared to the brave and brilliant decision Popovich made in Game 5 in relation to his player Ginobilli... he trusted in him and look how it payed off. When MDA trusted in Jeremy look how it payed off.
DeleteThe current coaching staff selectively applies criteria to him when it comes to playing time and does not apply the same criteria to his teammates.
What harm did Solidz wish on other people's children? Similar treatment "bestowed" by McFail and Moldy? Oh, that's harm? So you see the light at the end of the tunnel now? LOL.
DeleteBamboo, u r such a hypocrite. U said Morey was doing nothing wrong by shopping Lin around and looking to get cp3. Now it's the worst thing that can happen to your kid? Gimme a break. If u haven't noticed I've been putting Morey on blast for pulling this dick move off. Of course I don't wish that on anyone because its FUBAR.
DeleteMorey will get what he deserves. U can win with dishonor. Karma will come back to bite you. All a team has to do is to let Lin play point. He will be proven wrong yet again.
Bamboo, u r such a hypocrite. U said Morey was doing nothing wrong by shopping Lin around and looking to get cp3. Now it's the worst thing that can happen to your kid? Gimme a break. If u haven't noticed I've been putting Morey on blast for pulling this dick move off. Of course I don't wish that on anyone because its FUBAR.
DeleteMorey will get what he deserves. U can win with dishonor. Karma will come back to bite you. All a team has to do is to let Lin play point. He will be proven wrong yet again.
Solidz75, I see what you are saying. Lighten up Bamboo . . . Solidz's saying anything here doesn't make any difference, although if you can, Solidz, you should not link your argument to someone else's kids or mama. Anyway, what I was going to say was do you think if Harden was not in Rockets, Rockets would still not allow Lin to play the point? I tend to think that Lin's being relegated to a SG position primarily due to a misguided thinking by Rockets GM or coaches that Harden's having the ball in his hands leads to more wins.
DeleteI don't see an issue with linking what I said about their kids, etc, if they do not think there is nothing wrong with what is being done. I mean why would they be offended? It's not like I'm wishing some bodily harm. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of posters like bam.
DeleteI have no doubt in my mind that if Lin plays as THE pg whether Rox or any other team, he will excel.
This is NOT the way to use Lin. The rox clearly want Lin to play the role if Derrick fisher or Mario chalmers. If that is what u see in Lin then fine..so be it. But if you are a believer of Lin's potential, u just can't be happy with the role Lin is being forced into.
Nope, I agree with Bamboo Forest.
DeleteHe's RATIONAL.
And I can't stand some people's view that as Lin fans they are not offended with whay morey is doing because Lin will find a way to excel. Oh really, so just because Lin has the ability to overcome this, it makes what Morey and McHale are doing perfectly acceptable?
DeleteWith that logic, these are the morons who apparently are not offended by racism because they will find a way to overcome it. This is type of backwatd logic is what is being perpetuated by so called Lin fans on this site. Yeah it's perfectly fine to mistreat Lin because he is good enuff to overcome it. Yup. Exactly.
Hey Solidz75, this is an Internet fan forum.
DeleteYou have to right to call people names, hate on their children, get all angry when people disagree with you, show no respect to anyone here, and curse people out.
And I am enjoying watching you go crazy hating on people here! You are ENTERTAINING!
Carry on. Don't stop.
No I only bash morons like YOU who lack absolute common sense and logic and repeatedlly make beyond stupid claims. Ans trust me, as long as u continue to spew idiocy, I will be there to let u know. Word.
DeleteYou trolls all do doublespeak.
DeleteYou say you flame only one person, but then you go out to deliberately insult people like mt and bamboo and Lydia who you hate.
I'd call yoi a liar, but you're too mentally deranged to even deserve that moniker.
Yes khuang I'm CRAZY so it would not be in your best interest to feed me. I will always OWN you because logic and common sense will triumph over delusions.
DeleteBtw, where da hell Did LYDIA come from? Bamboo and mt I agree with. But Lydia?' U r getting you trolls mixed up.
I have no idea why Lin still goes to Doc Scheppler to work on his shooting. Doc is a H.S. girl's basketball coach with no NBA track record.
ReplyDeleteLin can afford professional shooting coaches.
I think all that stuff is overrated. How do you think Lin made the NBA? With the very same coaches...
DeleteSure there may be some elite trainers but most are for athletic training and plyometrics and Lin was working with Sparta which seems pretty legit.
Ok so who should Lin get? Ganon Baker or Micah Lancaster or the Swish doctor? Shooting is 100% repetition and confidence and ingrained mechanics. Getting an elite trainer to train a shot is overrated.
Doc seems to know Lin needs to work on his shots in game settings and off ball in real games, so it sounds like they will replicate game settings for Lin, which is good.
I personally think Lin jumps too high on his 3 point shots but he seems to make them. Guys like CP3 and Steve Nash do not jump higher than you can fit a piece of paper between their shoes and the ground on their uncontested open 3's. I think that minimal jump height trains consistency, at least from the 3 point line. I'd like to see more of that from Lin but that's just me.
The Rockets basically want Lin to be a statue who catches the ball once every 5 or 6 possessions and shoots an open 3 or deep 2. Lin can practice that way and track his percentages...
The other thing I've seen such as with good shooters like JJ Reddick is that he will practice various shots from various distances and angles all mixed up in series of 5's so he doesn't just stand at the 3 point line and hit 100% of them in practice. I'm sure Lin does that as well....it's a pretty basic drill.
The thing Lin needs to work on the most is shooting the ball when fatigued. He seems to hit more 3's in the beginning of the game 1st half. But then his shooting becomes less accurate the more minutes he plays. Those 4th quarter and OT shots matter the most, when he's tired and gasping for air.
DeleteI did notice that when Lin misses, even his misses are inconsistent in that he misses short, left, right and long. Don't know what this indicates. I also feel that Lin is jumping unnecessarily high when he's taking open 3s. It's not as if he needs to jump to avoid getting blocked.
DeleteOn the contrary, i think lin needs to work on shooting when he's not fatigued enough like coming off the bench or when playing off ball.
Deletewhen he's cold, he's indecisive whether to use more/less leg or wrist. whereas, when he's warm, he uses less exagerated movements as he can rely on his momentum to push the ball off.
DeleteHouston's Kevin McHale: Rockets wouldn't let him leave...
ReplyDeleteYeah all u Morey apologists out there... Now u see where Rox allegiance lies. All the great coaches still out there and they wouldn't let this douchenozzle leave.. All while looking to upgrade the pg position.
DeleteO Lord where are thou?
DeleteMorey is a Boston Celtics fanboy, he worships the shoes of Kevin McHale, who won a championship with the Celts, way back in the day. McHale is a legendary player, but a terrible coach.
DeleteThis is the NBA where GMs are ordered by their owners to improve their teams at all costs.
DeleteI see nothing offensive about Alexander and Morey trying to flip assets for "superstars" like Chris Paul that Jeremy Lin obviously has the ability to outplay.
Several times, I've seen teams try to flip players to improve their team and only ended up getting BURNED. Trades for "superstars" don't always work out.
Lin won't be affected, because he has so much game that he's going to excel no matter what team he's flipped to.
Like I said above, those who see nothing wrong with what Morey is doing get the exact same thing happen to them... Or even their loved ones. Yup there is absolutely nothing offensive about it. Nada.
DeleteThis thread is getting FAKE CREEPY.
DeleteActually, it's pretty funny to read the mounting paranoia here!
FUN.
It is actually FAKE SAD to think that some idiots think mistreatment is not offensive because they will find a way to overcome it. I hope these morons get mistreated and abused repeatedly because they will overcome It every single time.
DeleteSAD..
I'm enjoying the fact that Lin is paid $25 million to put up with the business aspects of being in the NBA.
DeleteAt least Lin is not wasting away with a CRAP TEAM like the Knicks who refused to offer him a contract. Lin is worth more than the $0.00 that NY offered him.
By the way, Solidz75, I'm totally enjoying seeing you get angry at people like me that you utterly disrespect and hate and curse and despise and and and. I want to see MORE HATERADE from you. Speak your mind and show us how ANGRY you are!
I don't think Lin should play in the NBA for free.
DeleteI think Lin should get paid what he's worth - at least $25 million!
It's not right for certain insane NY fans to flame others that disagree that Lin should be playing for less than the minimum wage.
Yeah so because Lin gets paid, the team has a right to mistreat him any way they can.
DeleteI hope Khuang that in your struggling entertainment career - whatever the duck you do - u never blame the industry for potential racial discrimination - because it's up to you to rise from it.
Wow, just wow.
DeleteSolidz75, what have YOU done in te entertainment industry that gives you the right to criticize my career just like you criticize Lin's?
I'm interested in hearing your advice on how a supposedly "struggling" guy like me can do better. Cause if you're some sort of veteran pro in the entertainment industry, I'll hear you out instead of laughing my ass off at your bigheaded ignorant psychopathic trolling in an area that you seto lnow diddly about.
As usual, you're just TROLLING. All you're here fpr is to attack others.
Soldiz you're an ass for talking about Khuang's career man. How much lower can you go? I think most readers will agree that that is uncalled for. No matter how much you despise someone you don't have the right to judge people outside of this forum. You don't know Khuang. I don't know Khuang. Many things I don't agree with him. There are also things i agree with him. But he's never hit you below the belt like that before. If it was anybody else you're talking to I would say exactly the same thing to you no matter if it's Khuang or anybody else. There has to be a limit to how far one will carry to win an argument.
Deleteand yes i am an ass for attacking you, but i had to say something.
DeleteNo mt, you're not an ass for calling out Solidz75's trolling.
DeleteLOL Khuang, I'm just applying your own logic about lin's situation to your own life. Doesn't sound so good when it comes to your own life doesn't it?
DeleteAnd chill the eff out. You are right i dont even know you or what you have been thru. . it would actually mean something if I knew u personally, but to be honest I couldn't care less.
Perhaps I wouldn't even talk about your career if you don't put it out there. You seems to consistently bllame the industry for not giving you chance, but not get "offended" when it happens to someone else. Again, whether it's you or bamboo, you guys' hypocrisy is laughable.
Wow, for people who accept what's happening to lin as okay or nothing wrong, you guys sure do get pissed when I apply YOUR logic to YOUR lives.
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ReplyDeleteDuncan and Popovich: A love story
ReplyDeleteI don't wanna click on the link. Is this like broke back mountain?
Deletewell, Monty Williams is also in there, so i don't know what to think...
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Deletevia: JLin is in HOU now? I wonder why he has ice on his knees.
ReplyDelete[yeah.] training hard? =)
DeleteIs he still having knee problems after his surgery? Maybe Lin needs to lose some slim down to keep the weight off his knees...
Deletehaven't heard anything...maybe it's just a case of over-training? [hopefully]
DeleteSearching For Answers on Celtics/Clippers Trade Talks
ReplyDeleteClippers offered 7 million per year for Doc in a 5-year contract
ReplyDeleteDoc agreed, now he will try to be released by Boston
Garnett is willing to waive his no-trade clause to be dealt to the Clippers, giving him an opportunity to compete for a title while living in his Malibu home.
Now the most important is that Boston has McHale as their primary option for coach
In two weeks the future of Lin will change many times
I don't know if rivers will join the Clippers. There are too.many if: Celtics want Bledsoe but Clippers won't, Celtics want courtney Lee and jt out but Clippers won't, Celtics should buy out pierce's contract so he could sign with the Clippers, kg should waive his no trade clause and some months ago he said he bleeds green he dies green (and kg is one who minnesotahad to convince to go to boston... So he's so loyal) and Celtics must get de andre jordan....
DeleteWe'll see... Rumors says brian shaw is still a strong runner for coaching the Celtics. If rivers will stay in boston Paul will use that as an excuse to say bye bye....
Awesome picture of Jeremy, he's been training so hard and looking better than ever! :)
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No Clippers/Celtics deal.... Now Chris Paul will walk away .... We'll see what happens. If Hollins signs with the Clippers he could do to jeremy what he did with conley .... We'll see... Less than 2 weeks
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to predict what coaches will do with Jeremy Lin.
DeleteThere isn't any rhyme or reason to how they view and utilize him.
One day he's scoring 20+ but is yanked in the 2nd half, another day he's shooting 2-8 but plays over 30 minutes.
What is consistent about Lin is that he's find ways to impact the game even if his scoring is off. That's what great players like Michael Jordan would do if they weren't having great shooting nights.
13 days and it'll be the start of free agency. Praying that everything will turn out good.
Deleteamen!
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ReplyDeleteNBA League Pass has a customer survey. One of the questions asks which player you follow who is the reason that you subscribe. Highlighting this because I figure it might be helpful for JLin's status in the league if fans respond to the survey and list JLin as the guy they subscribe to NBALP.
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