“We have a great coach that is a Hall of Fame center that he can work with every single day,” Parsons said. “We have me and James who are really good wings. Put him in pick-and-roll, make him roll hard and they can’t double because we’re out there. Jeremy (Lin) can push the ball and control our offense. You have Omer (Asik) who is like (Marcin) Gortat you had in Orlando, a really good center. You guys can push each other in practice every day.
I think Parsons is under delusion that The Houston Rockets have enough money to pay all 5 players, D12, Harden, Omer, Lin, and himself who I certainly believe want big money for his contract extension as well.Certainly not the brightest kid on the block
I just felt it was interesting that he brought Lin up without being asked about him. Unsolicited compliments always mean more. But I know Morey and Mchale feel differently. Wonder if his name will even come up in their conversations with Dwight, as they show him their vision. It doesn't matter - it's all hearsay. Btw, heard Rondo is on the shopping block. Perhaps Lin and Asik for Rondo after the rox get Dwight? The celtics are tearing their team apart - not sure if rondo wants to leave. Someone tell me if this is a feadible trade from the salary cap standpoint.
But you forgot Parsons expiring contract. I still think that he wants a lot of money, at least as much as Lin's if not more. If The Rockets wants 3 or more superstars, Parsons, Omer, and Lin have to be shipped out.
Parsons behaves like a flatterer and i agree with Rikki M.He is dyeing to get more fame and more money with a superstar. By the way, Why does parsons attend a meeting with More. I heard Kobe from LAL, Nowitzki from Mavericks, Harden from Rockets attend the meeting on behalf of the team as a star player, but why the hell is Parsons scheduled to attend this meeting ? He is working for the front ?
Jaehee Kim,Everybody wants more fame and money. It is human nature, it isn't like parsons is doing anything wrong. He has to look for his future, he certainly isn't in the way of lin if that's what you are implying. Parsons is at the meeting because he know Dwight. He has been friends with him for a while now and that could be incentive for Dwight to come. He isn't working for the front in the sense that he is involved with the daily operations, but he is involved in recruiting for Dwight.
Parsons has the same agent with Howard so that might play a part.But Parsons and the Rox definitely see him more and more as one of the future face of the franchise.I wonder if Lin feels dissed or knows already he and Asik might be part of the sign-and-trade deal with the Lakers. He should take note in his future negotiation with the Rox.From the Rox mgmt, Lin is redundant with Harden and it takes a lot of time and work to make two ball-dominant guards to mesh (and it might not work) so if they can swing it for a dominating center like Howard to contend quickly for championship, they'll pull the trigger.This might be a win-win for Lin and the Rockets.
@Jlin fan pls change ur uname its so obvious u r not a jlin fan...u only come here when u try/need to defend Cunning Parsons25, are u his publicist or something?!
Most of basket players plays harder everyday to get more fame and money, but look what parsons is doing, he is the front now. Also, there is nobody who knows Howard except Harden and Parsons at Rockets ?
Ahome,I'm not a lin fan because I like parsons? What kind of logic is that? Read my posts, I write on a variety of things and also like to be honest. Tell me what are the requirements to be Lin fan? Pslam234,Unfortunately I think you are right that the rockets may have more faith in parsons. Despite that Lin should focus on improving his game and not worry about things that are out of his control.
@Jlin fan has the same demeanour as @Bamboo Forest so we may deduce that they are twins.
Moon Light has great dectective skills so I deduce that he is the one and only Sherlock Holmes!
Well, I've always liked Parsons as a player and a person. He plays hard, unselfish, always been willing to pass to Lin. I believe that Parsons is a fan of Lin's game, so I'm not surprised that he brought up Lin's name in the interview without prompting.It not Parsons' fault if he is "overrated" by Rockets fans. Hating on him for that is the same as people who hate on Lin because he's "overrated" by Lin fans.
All the anger directed at JlInfan is completely misguided. I can't believe some of u guys don't think he's a fan because he has no issues with Parsons? CP, while I agree that has becone quite cocky, sbsolutely has a right to look out for himself. He himself was overlooked but has worked on his game to find leverage. I also think it was a nice strategic move on his part to sign with D12's agent. He's doing all he can to further his career. I think he likes Jeremy, but he's not gonna risk his career for him. And u can't expect him to. He probably wants to get paid like him. So Jlin fan is completely right. If that make me a lin hater, then so be it. But no way am it gonna play the jealous irrstional fan because its obvious that some of u harbor some anger towards parsons for getting more love from the Rox than Lin receives. Instead, the anger should be directed at morey and Mchale for effing up Jeremy's basket ball career. They are the ones who have total control over whether lin gets to achieve his potentiisl- not parsons. I can guarantee u Jeremy wouldn't have signed with the rox if he knew how they were gonna use him on this team like they did this year. If he had stayed in NY, he would have remained one of the most popular athletes with fans protecting him. Had he been marginalized the way he has been in Houston. the fans would killed eoodson. I mean they went gaga over prioni for god's sake. The reality that Jeremy is being treated yet again like a novelty after overcoming so much should simply infuriating to us. (unless your nitials are KH). A lot of us became fans because of the potential of linsanity not because we believe he will end up with a career like Battier's. Stop with parson's hate. It's freaking embarrassing.
I agree on Parsons needing to get paid given he's pretty good on a good day. He can take care of himself too. It'll be interesting to see how his career pans out. I like to imagine last year was as good a year because of Lin, similar to the glow on Jeffries, Shump, Novak, and of course, Tyson was a star already. I refer to TTNN's CF stats on who's generating the scoring for themselves. It was Lin/Harden. Outside of that, I don't think Harden is as good a passer as Lin is. If you listen to the CNM link below, Paul V talked about Lin being the best passer in the league at half or full court, and even better then LeBron.
then = than
that's a nice thing for Parsons to say.What's wrong with CP25 wanting to get paid and looking out for his own self interest. Weird sentiment here in this thread.
Thanks so much for the video, JLinFan#1.I really enjoyed watching Lin work the post, using his size to make moves in the paint. Maybe Lin will compete in other summer league events, and then we can watch them.
yes, thanks jlin fan
Lin's a goner from Houston. I can feel it. I hope so! He won't be meeting with Dwight Howard in LA. Houston contingent seeing Howard is Les Alexander, Morey, McShit, Harden asswipe, and pretty boy Parsons. Lin further marginalized. But there will be a silver lining. Bet u McHale's left nut that an LA team with Lin and Asik wins more games than Rox with Howard and Harden.
The most reliable NBA beat reporter there is, Adrian Woj, just reported that Houston's China/Asian ties through Yao and Jeremy will be part of their sales pitch to Dwight.Hmm. Sounds like he's staying after all.
Or they will just trade Jeremy after Dwight signs the contract, he can't really do anything once the ink dries ... Bait and Switch .... BAIT AND SWITCH.Just like Morey fooled Lin into believing it was going to be his team, then traded for Harden.
I completely believe Woj. The Rox are again using Lin not for his basketball talents but for marketing purposes. That was their agenda from day 1. They never believed in Lin as a legit player with untapped potential.
here is the the lik for teams schedule. Lin plays foe South Bayhttp://www.sanfranciscoproam.com/schedule-m.htm
I eagerly hope Lin goes to Lakers so eagerly...
Interesting. So that video the other day was a teaser. This one makes Lin look even better. I couldn't quite tell what happened on that one play last time cos the video cut, but now I see he tried to dunk it on someone and got fouled. Epic!
Liked where he picked Machado clean.
Yeah! And that "C'mon ref" face at 3:40 that KHuang was talking about him needing last fall to get fair ref treatment.
On the previous thread, JK came up with a brilliant categorization :# This board's gotten out of hand with its seemingly endless strife revolving around by now what's mostly philosophical disagreements. We need to delineate factions. I'll start chalking.Camp 1 (Incendiary/Hilarious) : Solidz75, Etane, ebattorney35, Rikki MCamp 2 (Incendiary/"Superior") : KHuang, JoeTeam Camp 3 (Rational/Altruistic) : Via, Nom, (I'm going to be presumptuous and put myself here with the likes of better)Camp 4 (Basketball/Lin Focused): Michael Terry, mt, Stu, Janelin7, Spotless MindCamp 5 (Douche Bags) : Bamboo Forest, Random flamers whose names I've forgottenHelp me fill this shit out. #I would like to add psalm234 to Camp 3. :)
well, thanks livyr.I thought I'd fall into each category depending on the day of the week :)And I'd nominate you in Camp3 or Camp4!Plus I don't agree Bamboo falls into Camp 5, he's a Lin fan but just gives a lot of benefit of the doubt to Houston.Hilarious, JK!
^^ @JK[Brent's looking at you, liv...] =P
oops, didn't mean to leave out anybody here...Brent is no doubt in my mind fit into Camp 3, so are some other posters. Apologies, Brent. :)And of course, IsabeliJane shouldn't be omitted from Camp 4 too. ;)Having said that, I miss cara, willy dilly, kenoshi, ihoopsalot, Hans, FanforLife and many other more! Hope they are just taking a break during the offseason and will come back soon. ^^
oh, my mistake for not being clear, liv. i thought you saw Brent's reply to this JK post in the last thread.no harm amusing ourselves a bit while waiting for some news, anyhow. :)[and true, miss the others, hope they'll find time to visit...] :)
my bad, Brent, via...
hey, just put @grade 7 brain contusion in camp 5! =P[@MT had a neat idea even: google spreadsheet + adjust classifications fr new data/ post.] anyhow, it's just some casual observations...Dwightmare/ JLin trade rumors have all of us on edge, it's a break fr all the tension. :)
@livyrlife, :P @via, we are especially counting on you for the next 10 days, many thanks in advance! Silly season!
bahahaha wow it sounds like we're in middle school - there's the jocks,the rich kids, the nerds, the "queen bee" types...
I want to be one of the rich kids.
Add: the Goths. Every high school has a good indie group. #IsabeliJane.
@Brent~ counting on you [and psalm] to get post up to 700! =P
New CNM vid
Page hits of CF will suffer big time once Lin is gone.Well, the site owner's definitely relieved that Lin's gone and he doesn't have to deal with Lin fans any more. Hatred > Money. Code of conduct.
LINSANITY DOCU @ WINDRIDER FILM FORUM
Somebody send ESPN the "JLin Responds" vid.
Ever since ESPN fired that reporter for using the "Chink in the Armor" headline, they've been vicious to Lin. My guess is that there's a vendetta among many of the writers/editors there. Highlighting the video of Lin getting "dunked on" makes zero sense on any entertainment, basketball, or factual basis, so it smacks of spite.
I don't think they'll care, sadly.
I mean 'Jeremy got dunked on' have more more appeal to the idiot masses rather than 'Jeremy Responds', again sadly
There's nothing "unusual" about an American media entity trashing an Asian American. It's unusual for them NOT to be trashing Lin and his fans.
more effective: who cares about espn? go on twitter if you have the "feels" and Jlin being in the way of a dunk gets you all hot and bothered.apathy-->less page hits-->less interest--> no $$-->story dies.response-->story lingers by referring to original video-->means page hits-->story generates even more recognition & $$.Until some Asian American entrepreneur gets rich enough to own an old school ESPNish channel, why feed the beast?
That play is actually an offensive off-glass alley-oop and Lin had his back to the play to get a rebound rather than go for the block. Nice play, what can you do? Very few guys can stop and alley oop because it's thrown when the offense has the advantage.Pierrot - exactly!
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We Lin fans want Lin to be happy and to play great bball so we are happy. So...let's take other approach, which teams will be the best team for Lin? (regardless of other constraints, just purely fantasizing.)
Any team that let's him play pg. Dont care which team. I don't know about the rest if you, but Ip would much rather see Lin play his brand of basketball but never winning a championship then Lin playing the role of Chalmers and winning a few championships by piggybacking onto other "superstars".
In GM Morey's view, LeBron = HardenChalmers = BeverleyLin should keep working on his PG skills and postups. He could be allowed to usr them effectively if moved to another team.
That's why I ask, in reality, any team at all will let him play "the" PG?
Since we're fantasizing, here are my choices: 1) PistonsLin is a better player than either Jose Calderon or Brendan Knight. Lin would bring leadership and excitement to a team that desperately needs both. 2) BobcatsI would love to see Lin get a crack at turning around the NBA's worst team. The Bobcats actually had a higher payroll and more NBA experience than Lin's Rockets did last season. 3) DallasIf the Mavs lose out on Howard, they ought to target Lin. The Mavs don't have a dynamic backcourt presence to go with Dirk. I thought that the Mavs made a big mistake last season by not getting Lin.
For bobcats, that would be great to see because MJ would be there.I would love to see MJ, albeit with his 50 yr body, posting on J. Lin's post defense.Don't like Dallas. Don't like Pistons.
No constraints, fantasy = GSW gives up Bogut, KT, and Jack to get DW12, then they grab Lin. 0.01% and a dream for Loud City2.
Lin to Phx. Play him at the 2 alongside Goran Dragic. Or send Dragic back to Houston. Let Lin run with Gortat, Beasley, Johnson, Dudley, Morris, and Len (has a chance to become a good NBA player, unlike last year's bust Kendall Marshall). That's way more talent than Lin had with the Rockets. Phx has some real talent, but they need a true floor general who'll pull the team together. Lin can get Phx going again.
Past Pro Am players that have gone Pro/Semi/InternationalIf you look hard enough you might see some names of hall of famer.http://www.sanfranciscoproam.com/pastplayers-m.htm
I love that he's working on his post game. He's often a 2-3 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier than the PG that's guarding him, so he can use that to his advantage. Also, a post game will reduce the wear on his knees, crashing to the floor on drives, and bloody noses.I also saw a jump stop (at 0:35), which I've been clamoring for for a long time. He needs to do those on a regular basis.I'm mentally disregarding all of his layups and finger rolls in this proam league. They don't have any tall centers defending the rim, so it's way too easy for Lin.
All for naught. U think Mchale will let Lin post op? Lin has the god given ability to take over a game.. That opportunity is becoming less and less likely the longer Jeremy stays with the rox. Some people due to outside crcumstances never achieve the potential they have. Lin is in clear danger of falling into that group.
What would happen if the Rox got rid of Jeremy and then found out they couldn't even go to the playoff next year.There is a definite possibility that it is going to happen!
I think that will not be the best interest of NBA. I mean, the league wouldn't want a "superstars" stacked team not making to the playoffs. Just take a look at Lakers last season, the league went out of their way to make sure Lakers clinched the playoff. Simply says, Harden will get the calls.Unless The Rockets without Lin catastrophically sucks and beyond saving or some freak bad luck injury pleague for whole season for both D12 and Harden, I just can't see scenario where The Rockets failed to get to the playoffs.
Let's hope they don't, if without Jlin. LOL
I actually would be curious to see Harden do the PnR with Howard.
tomorrow is July 1 in my timezone, let the trade circus begin - uhh, really, D12 will benefit from Harden "feeding" him the ball???
If Lin is traded as rumored, when will the Rox make the move? After Jul 10?
Presser will be out like 3 second after DH signs....lol
Gotta wait for 10 more days? :(
As usual, Lin plays well when he's allowed to the basket. In the video, he popped a couple of triples and scored mostly from the open court and penetration. Anyone has stats on this game? I couldn't see anything from the highlights that struck as major improvements. He looks thicker and perhaps stronger as he attempted to post up once or twice, but nothing we haven't seen before. If Lin can't dramatically improve his consistency in his shot next season, his days as a starter is finished. It will be a make or break season. There will be no excuses and ball clubs can't afford to continually develop young players. That said, I don't believe Lin's skill set is a fit on the Rockets squad, even after scoring 45 pts, and will be traded along with Asik either to the Lakers or Hawks if they got Howard.
There are a few starting point guards in the NBA who shoot much more poorly than Lin and are in no losing their jobs. Ricky Rubio, John Wall, and Rajon Rondo are some of those players. I think Lin actually is an excellent fit for the Rockets, though I don't necessarily feel that the Rockets staff outside of Les Alexander feels that way. Lin was, in my opinion, was the primary reason that the Rockets broke their playoff drought and won more games than they should've. As far as Lin's game itself, his major skill is WINNING. Seems like he wins in summer league the way he's won everywhere else.
Lins threeball looks money now. I think he´ll srsly shoot it around 42-43 % next season, which is elite.And while i don´t agree with Khuang that Lin is naturally a gunner, because imo hes a more effective player than a gunner, he has all the tools to become and elite shooter too. he allready improved dramtically after Allstarbreak and i fully expect him to improve again this offseason. He´ll either be traded to another team and light up the NBA again or he´ll shoot extremely well and force McBitchass to paly him more, use him better. have faith Lin will explode next season. Him and D12 in the PnR with Harden, Parsons and Delfino on the wings. My Goodness.In reality he´ll probably has to spot up again and watch Harden throw lob passes into Nirvana and then give D12 the angry ugly face. God do i hate both McSidious and Hogden.
Oh and i aint even Asian if i was Asian and saw the only player of my race being treated like hot garbage i would be mad as fck
i agree with hans. Hard to follow but English isn't your native language.The ideas though, I completely synthesized and have to say well thought out.
I think hans is an English speaker with his use of his own creative names and cultureal references. Hans, good post! Maybe I remembered your screen wrong and misread some of your earlier posts. I think you're right, ppl are mad as F over Lin.
"i agree with hans. Hard to follow but English isn't your native language."lol. I think Hans was just typing that post from his phone.
These are dark days for Jeremy Lin fans folks. Just curious how are the Chinese Fan Forums handling this current state of affairs?
CF discussions are quoting that there are more than 300m Chinese NBA fans, which is more than US. However, I did have an occasion to ask someone in the know about Lin and NBA China, and the answer that came back was Chinese Fans are like Americans ... they go for LeBron, Kobe, etc. the most promoted stars. That's just one data point. So, when someone here says Lin has to score more to be seen as an All-Star, that might also be true in China. So, it would be nice to have that sense too, how it is in China.There is also discussion over Lin being on the HOU marketing packages and Lin+Yao+China as a pitch element to Howard. Not only is TX tax free for DW12, but his endorsements in China could go up.
lol, chinese people know Jeremy is American. Maybe americans can understand Jeremy is American one day.Until Jlin gets on 1st team all nba and make consecutive All Star appearances, Jeremy will NEVER have Kobe's appeal in China. However, Jeremy may have Kobe level popularity in Taiwan even if he stalls in development and stays where he is now. But that's a small market and Taiwan doesn't export culture like a 90s Japan or current flavor of the decade, S. Korea.Chinese people = very pragmatic and practical. They DGAF about J.Lin when you have so many other established stars to root for and won't let you down. If Jeremy Lin was born in China and went to K-12 here, that's a different story.I always laugh when they compare Yao (native son) and Lin's (American son) marketing prowess in China.
Yep ... and my friend in Shanghai says they don't talk about Lin as much. Idk, I shouldn't talk about it as I've not been there.
Here's a pic of Jeremy Lin and his SanFrancisco Pro Am league team when they got 2nd place in 2009.[/url]http://www.sanfranciscoproam.com/images/m-S.Bay-2nd.jpg[/url]
blah I tried to make it a link where u can just click...failed:here's the link:http://www.sanfranciscoproam.com/images/m-S.Bay-2nd.jpg
FYINBA Legion @MySportsLegion 16mRockets still in pursuit of trying to trade Thomas Robinson, Cavaliers, Jazz and Bulls interested.Also Delfino and Brooks just got waived and if they move Robinson, they will have enough cap space to sign Howard
Tim MacMahon @espn_macmahon @JADubin5 If HOU dumps all nonguaranteeds (including Smith/Beverley) and trades TRob for $0, I have them w/ $19.9M cap space. D12: $20.5MTim MacMahon @espn_macmahon Trading Thomas Robinson for $0 in return would get Rockets close to Dwight max cap space, but HOU would still have work to do.Tim MacMahon @espn_macmahon And that's even if the Rockets get rid of all their nonguaranteed guys, including quality role players Patrick Beverley and Greg Smith.
@HPbasketball: If Rockets don't get Dwight, it's going to be like selling your house and car for top value. Hey, all the money! Hey, I'm homeless/carless
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Laker fans heckling Morey about Dwight
Is anybody paying attention to the departure of Carlos Delfino and Aaron Brooks? Losing Delfino is interesting because I think he was a major part of the logjam behind the 3 point line. There will be more space for the Rockets perimeter players to operate now. Aaron Brooks had virtually no impact on the season and will not be missed. I expect Francisco Garcia to be gone, though I really like his game. That's a player who knew how to play both ends of the court.
This DH situation might doing more harm than good to Rox.
@Brent Yen:How? Delfino, Brooks and even Garcia are replaceable. The Rockets had them last year and A) barely made the playoffs and B) didn't do a whole lot while in the playoffs even with OKC's second best player hurt. So losing them hurts how?The Rockets have 4 players that matter: Lin, Harden, Parsons and Asik. Adding a 5th guy that will matter is well worth the 9 other guys that don't. And see below. If they miss out on Lin, they will just go to the next best big man available and offer him the money that they offered Howard. If that big man is healthy - which Howard and Andrew Bynum aren't - and a good team player - which again Howard and Bynum aren't at times - then they might actually benefit from missing out on Howard but still getting a PF who immensely helps this roster.
I understand that, just saying DH might not perform like a lot of us think he will. And in order to sign him, Rox might need to get rid of Lin as well. I see that as doing more harm.
OK Steve Novak and Marcus Camby have been traded to the Toronto Raptors for Bargani.Also Mavericks have opted out to extend contract to Darrell Collision.
Any thoughts on if Howard signs with Houston and offense runs thru him, what this would mean for Lin if he stays?
@awarde:It would be great. The Rockets ran the iso-heavy offense because A) they had absolutely no low post or high post scorers and B) Harden and Chandler were the only scorers that they had any confidence in. The people who bash the Rockets for feeling this way should remember that during training camp and preseason, Lin was HORRIBLE. Due to injury obviously, but still, it was pretty much all the Rockets had to go on. That was when the Rockets decided to mortgage the future by trading Jeremy Lamb (who also looked bad in training camp/preseason and didn't do squat as a rookie), Kevin Martin and all those #1 picks for Harden. Now Lin came on after he got healthy and got his confidence back and adapted to playing off the ball in that offense, but by then Harden was averaging like 28 ppg (before the late season slump when he ran out of gas) and the team was winning so why change it? Despite what everyone else thinks - and their willingness to ignore actual comments from the coaches, GM and owner in the process (including now actually claiming that Lin should have stayed with the Knicks!!!) - the Rockets were indeed pleased with what Lin gave them IN HIS FIRST SIGNIFICANT PLAYING TIME SINCE LEAVING HARVARD so his role was going to expand and the offense was going to change next year regardless.But getting Howard would make it change even more. James Harden cannot run an offense, but he was allowed to dominate the ball last year because the Rockets basically had no offense. But with Howard in place, the Rockets will HAVE to run an offense in order to get him his touches while keeping everyone else involved. Harden can't do that. He doesn't have the skills or mentality. More to the point, Harden doesn't want to do that. Harden doesn't want to create for Howard or anyone else. He wants to score. So that job has to go to Lin. Not Patrick Beverly, who doesn't have the skills or ability. They will need an NBA caliber point guard to run the team. With Howard, Harden and Parsons, Lin can lead the NBA in assists while scoring well into the teens himself, just like John Stockton, Mark Price and John Stockton used to do.
In this case, he has to shoot 3s at 50% to earn the reputation as a role player.
If Tyson Chandler was any indication, it would be awesome for Lin because Howard should be able to finish Lin's passes at the rim even better. But that's assuming Lin gets the chance to make plays. If Harden gets insecure about how well Lin and Howard play together, he might demand that all plays with Howard run through him, and Lin will once again get stuck with corner 3 shooting duties.
Great positive responses from everyone. Thanks. Also i am not convinced that Harden wants Howard on the team. I personally think he is just going thru the motions with a show of force for the team. At the end of the day, harden will understand that Howard will have the last say so on things and not him. Word has already been leaked out that Howard doesn't want to come to a team that he is not the face of the franchise. Also @Unknown you made some good points on Lin's game last year. Also I would like to add that Rockets have to set Lin up to succeed like they did with Parsons/Harden. Lin got penalized because he couldn't shoot from the 3. Lin looked really good on that tape shooting from the 3. His shooting coach has always said that Lin's mindset has to be that of a shooter. Also Parson's has already said the pitch to Howard is Lin controlling the offense, and he and Harden are the wing men. Yep I agree that Lin is single handle y responsible for Tyson getting DPLOY season 2011-2012.
@awarde: "Also i am not convinced that Harden wants Howard on the team."Totally untrue. Harden knows that if the Rockets don't sign Howard, they'll just give that money to a lesser player like Josh Smith. Look, Harden is under big time pressure to win a ring because he left a contender in OKC for more money when Westbrook and Durant took less to try to win a championship. And if OKC wins a title without him (my position remains that OKC would have this season had Beverly not taken out Westbrook) he will be under even more pressure.So if you are under pressure to deliver a title, who would you rather have as your big man to help you accomplish it? Dwight Howard or Josh Smith? Exactly. "At the end of the day, harden will understand that Howard will have the last say so on things and not him."What makes you think that Harden and Howard would be in conflict anyway? You do realize that Harden would still lead the Rockets in scoring. As a matter of fact with Howard drawing defenses in the paint, Harden will score even more and at at higher percentage. "Word has already been leaked out that Howard doesn't want to come to a team that he is not the face of the franchise."Howard would be the face of the franchise. Harden has 1 playoff appearance and 1 all star game. Good for him. Dwight Howard was a #1 overall pick, is a 3 times defensive player of the year, and has been all NBA (not just all star but All NBA) 5 times. Harden would lead the team in scoring, but the Rox would be Howard's team. And Harden would be fine with that if he gets a title out of the arrangement.
Thanks for the info. I hope you are right:)
Folks, it isn't "Dwight Howard or nothing" for the Rockets. If they miss out on Dwight Howard, they will just move on to the next biggest PF available in free agency. So the Rockets and Lin will have a significant upgrade at PF by this time next week. The only question is whether it will be Howard or a guy like Josh Smith. The Rockets probably started secretly talking to their backup plan as soon as their meeting with Howard ended.
"The source specifically mentioned the Portland Trail Blazers and Cleveland Cavaliers as two teams expected to reach out to Bynum along with all of the franchises with cap space that are pursuing center Dwight Howard."
Given how Bynum handled this season, I wonder why are there still teams that are interested?
@via:Thanks. I don't think that Bynum is as good a fit because he is a center who can't play PF. Getting a PF is better because it would allow them to play the PF and Asik at the same time. So I would rather have Smith than Bynum.@Brent Yen:Because he a true center who can score, defend and rebound from the low and high post. That is why there are still teams that are interested. Now 15 years ago when there were still guys like Shaq, Hakeem, Olajuwon, Ewing, Robinson etc. around, there wouldn't be nearly as much interest. But these days when there practically aren't any true PFs left, let alone centers, yeah he still has a lot of value.
Knicks are giving away players as we speak. I think somebody spoke bout Tyson Chandler being tossed in the ring. I personally think Tyson Chandler is as fed up with the Knicks as they are of him. He was playing like a superstar when Lin was feeding him the ball 2011-2012 season. The Knicks won those games because they played like a team when Lin controlled the offense. Lin took people out of their comfort zone, and made them see the potential they had. We got a glimpse of that when Parson/Harden was sidelined for those two games. Lin and Asik was even clicking.
"The Knicks won those games because they played like a team when Lin controlled the offense."The Knicks won a ton of games after Linsanity too. They also won a lot of games this year, and would have won more - including in the playoffs - had their entire frontline - Chandler included - not been injured. Also, enough for calling for players and franchises to embrace "team ball" so long as it JUST HAPPENS to result in Lin being the star, dominating the ball and scoring 25 ppg. Or ripping players - especially minimum salary guys like Parsons or established veterans like Melo - for refusing to play second fiddle to Lin when no one wants Lin to be a complementary player to anybody else. That's not wanting "good team basketball" for its own sake, but rather wanting a system where Lin can be the star regardless of its effect on other players. Sorry, but everyone in the NBA is trying to make as much money as they can and have the largest role as they can. No one is going to step back and altruistically let Lin dominate because of its alleged benefits for the team and the NBA. Were Lin a proven star in his prime like LeBron is or like Kobe and Duncan back in the day, sure follow his lead because you get rings that way, but until Lin so much as puts up big numbers in a playoff game, no one is going to step back and hand Lin what they all want. Lin is going to have to compete for it like every other NBA player has to, including all those high draft picks that are sitting on the bench like Thomas Robinson and the aforementioned Jeremy Lamb. And for the record, Tyson Chandler won a title as a starter (for Dallas) and was a member of the Olympic team (was chosen in 2010) before he was ever on any team with Lin, which is why the Knicks signed him to a $58 million contract in the first place. Also, Tyson Chandler's best season was 2007-2008. He just spent most of the next 2 seasons injured. His season with Dallas and then the next season in New York with Lin were reflections of his being healthy again. And Chandler was having a great season in NYC without Lin until he went back to his oft-injured ways. Lin is a great player, but he didn't make Chandler. Chandler made his own money and reputation in the NBA over the course of several years just like Lin is going to have to (and is in the process of doing).
@Unknown, I agree that Tyson or Parsons do not need Lin particularly, however, they need someone to shine. It just this someone can be others.
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Wow can't believe Knicks traded Novak. Just goes to show how great Lin made Novak look while they were team mates and he fell apart without Jeremy feeding him the ball. Are those pro Am San Fran games open to the public? Can one buy tix?
Those seats are barely half full, I assume you should able to buy tix.
According to the website admission is free, but parking is a big problem. And the other problem is that Jeremy doesn't announce when he will play, so you might show up and not see him. If he did let people know ahead of time the place will likely be packed.
Novak was a good complementary player in a Lin-driven offense but an ineffective one in a Melo-driven offense. No big deal. Also, Novak gave them absolutely nothing even after the Knicks' entire front line, Chandler, Stoudemire, Wallace, Camby, Smith etc. was hurt. They just needed bodies to go out and rebound, defend, score etc. The guy had absolutely no excuse. Sure, Lin wasn't around but the Knicks had other good passers (Felton, Prigoni, Kidd, Shumpert) and Melo was getting double and triple-teamed. All Novak had to do was step up and hit wide open jumpers and/or get some rebounds and putbacks just by being in position and he couldn't even do that. Absolutely no excuse for a 6'10" guy who has been in the NBA for 8 years to totally fail to perform when handed a wide open opportunity like that. Made the Knicks choice to get rid of him in favor of someone who might actually be able to play easy.
"Novak was a good complementary player in a Lin-driven offense but an ineffective one in a Melo-driven offense. No big deal."Really? Seems like a pretty big deal to me. Novak lead the league in 3pts made and percentage the year he plays with Lin, then gets his biggest contract ever. Give Lin a little credit huh? Lin makes others around him better in a way no one else can reproduce.
NBA Legion @MySportsLegion 1mDONE Deal: Rockets trade Thomas Robinson to the Blazers for two future second round picks, Kostas Papan
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 5mDeal can't be completed until July 10, but agreed in principle now, sources tell Y! Houston goes into Dwight Howard meeting with cap space.
Rockets trade Thomas Robinson to Blazers, clearing room for Dwight Howard
[Ken Berger] Sources: Confident Rockets make Asik, Lin available in tradesLin, whose acquisition last summer was heralded as a coup, was not invited to Houston's pitch meeting with Howard, sources said.
Thanks, via.Wow, so finally, Lin's trade is confirmed. Yeah, can I speculate that Harden likes Howard as his new teammate but he also ensures that all the playmaking runs through him. The Rox don't need Lin to make plays. Harden is more than capable of doing it.
Let the circus begins
The catch: "Rival teams say the Rockets are making Lin available, as well, though they'd have to get a starting point guard in return."So they'd be willing to trade Lin only if they can get a similar talent for less money in return. Yeah, like that's going to happen. Lin isn't going anywhere. "The deal ... but it clears the final cap room needed to offer Howard a four-year max deal."So ... they can sign Howard and keep everybody in the starting lineup, Asik and Lin included. So ... why not do it? I understand the need to sign Parsons later, and also that both Lin and Asik have balloon payments in their contracts for 2014. So ... why not deal with that in 2014? Deal Lin and you have no PG. Deal Asik and Dwight Howard takes a beating at C instead of getting to preserve his battered body at PF. Also, play Howard at C and who plays PF? You have traded away Robinson, you will have no draft picks for the next 2 years, and there is nothing on the roster, and there is no cap room. I think that it is rival teams who want Asik and Lin are putting this out there and not the Rockets themselves. Especially since the Rockets could have gotten more favorable deals for Lin and/or Asik by dealing them during the draft. They could have simply dealt them for picks at the bottom of the first round.
I hope you're right, unknown.
If we are not Lin fans, we might ask, why not just trade Lin to clear this 8.3mil. We do not really need a PG. PB is good enough, if not better than Lin.
@livyrlife:This is a long way from being confirmed. Put it this way: Patrick Beverly was not invited to the woo Howard session either. Like the article says, Lin only gets traded if the Rockets can get a starting caliber PG back. The deal only makes since if this starting caliber PG makes much less than Lin does. The only such creatures in the NBA are guys still playing on their rookie contracts. So that team would be trading a promising PG who makes less money in return for a promising PG who makes a lot more. Sound like a good idea to you? It doesn't to the NBA team that would make this deal either.
Exactly Brent! It is not about what we think, it is about what THEY think, and THEY have the power for it.
@unknown,Thanks. Your reply is rather consoling. But I don't understand how the rival teams benefit from spreading Lin's trade rumor? The trade involves the Rox willingly parting ways with Lin. By spreading the trade rumor, the rival teams might not get what they desire for.
I don't know why this come as a shock to many people. This falls completely in line with how the Rox treated Lin last season.
Solidz, it isn't a shock but more like after harboring 1% hope that Lin isn't not appreciated by the Rox, when the trade news finally came, it's like getting a punch in the gut...
Rikki, Brent, so true...
Ken Berger @KBergCBSIt's in the story, but for clarity: 3rd year of Asik and Lin deals are $8.4M each. $15M balloon only applied if Bulls/Knicks matched.9:30 PM - 30 Jun 13
Having said that if Dwight decides to sign with the rox, the Rox will in turn ask Lakers if they would be willing to do a sign and trade for Lin/asik (definitely, hese two for clearing up the most cap space). This is not a speculation, it's what makes most logical financial sense for the Rox ( so they have enough cap space to get another "superstar" . So this WILL be on the table for the Lakers, so it will be up to the Lakers to decide if they would want to do that. (Lakers ave absolutely no leverage once D12 makes his decision, they either take it or leave it). And in this case, the rox don't have to get a starting pg in return.So the possibility that Lin becomes a laker is real. Will dantoni vouch for Lin? Will Kobe be okay with it? Do the lakers believe enough in Lin's basketball potential to make that move? Is Lin's marketing potential enough? It's gonna get really interesting for us in the next week.
Ken Berger @KBergCBSAnother possible landing spot for Jeremy Lin is Detroit, source says. Rockets would acquire Jose Calderon in sign-and-trade in such a deal.
Liv- I don't know about you, but I've been punched in the gut since day 1 from this team. It's bittersweet but not at all shocking.
Ha! So much for my earlier post.THIS IS THE KEY PART:"Rival teams say the Rockets are making Lin available, as well, though they'd have to get a starting point guard in return."THAT IS GREAT NEWS. That means wherever Jeremy goes -- if he's traded -- he'll be able to start. So it'd have to be someplace like Orlando (trade for Dwight's old buddy Jameer), Atlanta (trade for Teague) or Indiana (George Hill is perfect for Houston).Please, please, please let him go to Indiana and play for Vogel and with Hibbert. Hey, Atlanta ain't bad either...pick and popping with Horford.
Something just tells me that Vogel -- the anti-McHale -- would love Jeremy.Detroit could work too with Monroe and Drummond. Brandon Knight simply doesn't seem to have it...he'd be best as a quality backup/combo guard.
come one.These are NOT dark days.Dark days were at the end of the Golden State period and the first Rockets period. We were looking at the end of his NBA career at that time!Even his most strident haters will admit that he is an NBA player now. Remember, it is always toughest for the first guy. There is no much Jeremy can do about this.
Vincent Goodwill @vgoodwillNo truth to the Jeremy Lin for Calderon proposed deal, per sources. #Pistons9:40 PM - 30 Jun 13
Detroit? What a nightmare. Unlike some of you, i'm not a fan of Lin playing on shitty teams. Good/great stats on shitty teams don't do it for me.
You don't get it. Any team with Jeremy Lin and decent bigs will NOT be a shitty team.Lin + Monroe + Drummond? And guys like Singler and Stuckey to shoot jumpers? In the weak-ass Eastern Conference, that's a playoff team.
I COMPLETELY AGREE ZXCVB
Honestly, we all saw the beauty of Linsanity. It was Lin + Chandler + 2nd/3rd stringers. Amare and Melo only ruined it.
Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA 1mHouston is gauging interest in Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik. If they sign Dwight Howard, they'll try to surround he and James Harden with vets.Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More
During Linsanity, Lin was surrounded by more veteran players than young guys. Jeffries and especially Chandler were able to cover up some of Lin's mistakes/lapses. That wouldn't be the case in Detroit. Monroe and Drummond are very promising players but they don't have the experience or bbiq that Chandler/Jeffries brought to NYK during LInsanity.Thanks for the Vincent Goodwill tweet, via.
@k~Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBARegarding the Jeremy Lin for Jose Calderon rumor, I'm told Houston is much more interested in that deal than Detroit. But never say never.
I respect veteran wisdom, K-Smith, but Jeremy isn't a rookie anymore. He doesn't need that constant reassurance/help. Also, the talent gap between Monroe/Drummond and againg Jeffries/Chandler is soooo huge it more than makes up for their youth.Also, Jeremy did fine with fellow youngsters like Fields and Shumpert.
Unlike Ksmith, I'm a huge fan of Lin playing his brand of basketball on a shitty team than being marginalized on a great team, even if there is less team success as a result. In order to prove to the world that Linsanity was not a fluke, Lin needs the opportunity like this. Then maybe after an entire year, he will show the world what a talent he is. In this regard, Detroit would not be a bad place for him to go, perhaps much better than the lakers. I just want Lin to be THE pg on any team. Is that soooo much to ask?
The things is, you don't even have to choose. With the exception of Charlotte -- where they already have Kemba so they won't trade for Jeremy anyway -- Jeremy can make any team a playoff team if given "the reins" like most starting PGs. Allowed to play his position, he'll put up All-Star stats AND wins.
BTW, is Jose Calderon a better fit than Lin in the Rox system? I checked his last season salary, he's more expensive than Lin, $11mil.
*I checked his last season salary, $11mil, is higher than Lin's $8.3mil(counted as cap).
Okay, I'm calling it. Lin will be a laker next season.
Let's hope so. :P
That's what LA *should* do, but I don't see it.I think a lowly and/or smaller-market squad like Orlando or Detroit will "take a chance" on reviving Linsanity alongside young talent. My preference is Indiana, who would immediately become a serious title contender with Jeremy in place of George Hill, who's a nice "Rich Man's Derek Fisher." but not the playmaker and penetrator they need.
BTW, the reason I don't see it is that they want to clear their books for an epic 2014 free agency and they don't want to help Dwight/Houston any more.
I didn't think this was a possibility either until @jdubin on twitter dangled the idea. do the lakers wait till 2014 to rebuild? Or start the process this year with Lin and Asik. And who knows Lin's potential better than d'antoni? I think this will happen.
Not sure about that idea but I remain hopeful. I mean 1st priority is to get the hell out of Houston A.S.A.P anyway. Lets just hope it is not one of those "out of the frying pan into the fire" thing.
I keep hearing they want to wait till 2014, and it might be a smoke screen, but I believe it. Jim Buss wants to "forge his own legacy" after his father passed away this season. It's why he chose MDA over Phil. It's why he wants Dwight to stay despite all the drama. He wants to go for K-Love/LMA next year and probably a top young PG like Wall or something.Another reason I keep mention Indiana is that the Pacers have a well-known problem with ATTENDANCE. Even their own players complain! J-Lin would be the easiest way to correct that.
At this point, if Lin doesn't become a laker it's because they don't want him. True, they already have a starting pg in Nash so they may be hesitant but will the lakers just throw away 2013? At least Lin brings in more fans and he has played well against them in the past.
LAL is possible. Kobe isn't any younger to wait for rebuilding another year down the line. If Kobe has Lin in his plan B for the outcome of Howard not re-signing with the Lakers, very likely Lin is a Laker next season.
It's possible...and it makes perfect sense...but LAL is not behaving very rationally these days. If I were the Lakers GM, I'd sign & trade Howard for Lin/Asik and make off like a bandit...we'd be a Top 4 seed and then sign K-Love or LMA the year after -- title....but that's just me. Jim Buss is too stubborn, though.
Lakers were my favorite team growing up. I wouldn't mind D'Anthony and Lin reuniting. Specially with Nash in there.
Once again . Houston will prove that they have the dumbest gm in the league. Lin will explode this year and McHale and Morey can eat shit. Just like ma st year when lin went to the kbicks
Welcome to Houston @JLin7! We plan to hang on this time. You will love #RedNation8:04 PM - 17 Jul 2012
LOL. Just like a yearbook signature from your girlfriend."Luv u 4ever! xoxo, Stacey.
faithinmind @rocketsfun 28 Jun@dmorey @sip03 try to dump Lin again? Why the hell you apologized to whole world you're wrong. You stupid and no brain. Shame as fan.
Wait till the trade actually happens. Morey is going to be blocking a lot of people.
Lin and Asik in the trade rumor for jose calderon
I'm a fan. Even if he's not immediately installed as starter, there's no doubt Jeremy would beat out Knight or Bynum.
lin would be amazing in detroit or utah.get'er done, lyin morey!
Utah just got Trey Burke, whom they probably think is the next Lilliard. So I don't want Jeremy in Utah...he might not be given a chance. In Detroit, none of the remaining PGs are anything special or "new and shiny," so J-Lin could win the starting spot even if he was forced to earn it.
So let me get this straight.... You have a great group of young players who did the unthinkable last season and now you are waving and trading more than half of the team to get this one guy who will magically make up for all the talent you give up. I don't know if this is a joke or what. I mean, I would love to have Howard in the tram, but WITH the team, not at the expense of the team. This is so dumb that I have no words for it. I guess it is better to be in a place where they want you than where they don't. I want Lin in the Rockets this year, but if the rumors are true, idk what to think anymore just a bit upset!
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Exactly. Unless you're Lebron or KD...you're liable to be traded for one reason or another.CP3 and Dwight got traded after all!
How about this? Lin and Asik straight up for Felton and Chandler of the Knicks. I'd love Lin back in NYC baby. The Rockets can go fuck themselves. I guarantee you and mark my words Solidz75 and KHuang mortal enemies that Lin and whatever team he's on next year will win more games than Rox with DHoward!!
For starter lets just stay away from all other teams that Lin have played with.
U r right on the money. Whatever team Jeremy is in thus fall. They will win more games than rockets. Harden and d12 are overrated. Houston will be plagued by the most turnover sg in the nba.
CNM: Report: Jeremy Lin Made Available In Trade Talks By Houston Rockets -- Robinson Also Traded
SportsCenter @SportsCenterRockets appear to be trying to clear room for Dwight Howard. An NBA GM tells @jadande that he was offered Jeremy Lin in a trade.11:05 PM - 30 Jun 13
Now at this point, I'm gonna be pissed if Lin doesn't get moved from Houston. Never liked their fan base. Never like their double crossing moonfaced gm, never like that moron of a coach in McHale, never liked their Shiite red and yellow colors. It would be even more annoying to watch if Lin were to stick around knowing that they don't believe in him and he can be moved on any day.
You're not the only one, pal. First priority just get the hell out of Houston
he probably knew it when they tapped Parsons but not him to go on the recruiting... :/hope he doesn't have to stay after this.
That makes the 3 of us. Sigh... I still can't believe we have to go through this again this year.
After this trade attempt, Lin must get out of that place ASAP!
Even before the trade attempt JLin should have been able to pick up on the fact that he isn't considered a central piece in Rox plans to build a contender. It is simply making a clear fact clearer.
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I doubt he will go with all the trade rumors. The media will be all over him for his comments. I'm sure he isn't happy right now not knowing yet another team has dissed him. Feel for the dude.
I just hope this don't turn into a meme. Bad luck Jeremy Lin "Dumped by the same team, twice"
I don't think he was playing anyway, because he also has Google Hangout @7:00pm with the American Soldiers on 1 Jul 2013
I hope Lin's agent is trying to get him the best possible deal. This is so absurd. Lin is a good player with lots of upside. The only reason why he gets treated the way he does is because of his race. I know because I am AA and I see the little subtle hands of racism springing up everywhere. Lin is an amazing gifted athlete that works hard at his craft. The rockets organization didn't give him a chance to succeed the way they did with Parsons/Harden. Lin came in thinking he was going to be the PG, but wasn't refocused, had to learn to play off the ball, was relegated to the role of spot up shooter, which he wasn't ready for, but focused on becoming a good defender, which he is. I am so pissed right now, I could spit. Many of the black players and coaches, and news media have bought into to their own hype, that they are the more gifted athletes....purely absurd. I hope lin gets out of Houston fast, and I hope the fans in Asia have woken up the realities of American Basketball. smh
What if Howard ends up re-signing with the Lakers and Lin isn't traded away and remains with the Rox? Just can't imagine how Lin's gonna handle these double-headed snakes after Morey's attempt to trade him...smh