Friday, June 7, 2013

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  1. I hope Lin gets traded to the HEAT so that he can finally play the role of a playmaker as THE PG of the team. With the the BIG three playing beside him, and a coach with Asian heritage, he is going to abdolutely thrive there. It would be much better situation for Lin, finally NOT having a ball dominant player playing beside him. I mean who can run the point as effectively as Lin on the HEAT? Please make this happen!

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    1. Solidz is this a rumor that you heard? It would be a dream come true but I agree that it would take a miracle

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    2. That's not a rumor. A rocket insider wrote about this in the previous thread.

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    3. Yeah. A brilliant mind brought this possibility up. When I heard this, my mouth dropped. What a beautiful career move it would be for Lin. We can only hope.

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    4. lebron, wade, and bosh are ball dominant to u?!? smh...

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    5. Do u see chalmers playing pg role? Smh.

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    6. Lin isn't a good enough defensive player to be on the Heat's lineup

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  2. McHale is the only person to blame for Lin's predicament last year. U can't blame Morey at all. I mean he has PUBLICALLY praised Lin. U don't think he would distort the truth do u? I mean don't u guys think he would admit to the media that Lin doesn't quite fit his system, if he truly believed this and he was asked to comment on Lin's play?

    Remember Mchale is the one who camped out Lin in the corner to catch and shoot, the one who rarely ordered picks for Lin, when Morey's stat clearly showed that Lin was the fifth best PnR player in the entire league.

    I mean as the GM, his job is not to "handcuff" McHale no matter what his trusted stats show. He has to let the coach do his thing, even if it egregiously goes against what his trusted stats say. His job is to make recommendations and its mchale's job to decide whether he wants to follow it or not.

    I mean McHale is a future hall of game coach.. Did u see how he turned minn around before he left? Morey can't tell what McHale should do. How dare he? Morey is not mchale's boss.

    So please leave Morey alone. He is the one who brought Lin to Houston. And he is such a nice guy. He still keeps McHale around because he fears getting called out by the media if he were to fire him because McHale doesn't follow his recommendations. What a considerate person he is.

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    1. Thats not what i said. So i ll file that under trash bin. Click

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    2. Well, we're moving in the right direction.

      6 mos ago, McHell could do no wrong.

      Now, it's Morey.

      6 mos later, Morey is shit and Les can do no wrong.

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    3. If I have to assign the % blame on the Lin's misuse this past season, I'd give 70% to McHale and 30% to Morey.

      McHale admitted giving Harden 100% freedom including making the ball 'sticky' after preaching about ball movement all season long. That's on McHale.

      Having double standard on Harden and Lin for 'scoring 30pts 9TOs' when Lin hasn't done it but said nothing when Harden did it? That's on McHale.

      How much clout did Morey have to force McHale do his wish? We don't really know. MTerry was right that Morey most likely was the key behind the film session that halted the losing streak and 12 offensive/8 defensive key points to remember.

      MT also had a point that Morey can't force his hand on McHale after Adelman was rumored to be 'fired' for not wanting to listen to Morey's analytics approach. Which other coaches would want to work with Morey if he acquired negative reps to fire his two coaches in succession?

      The point is both McHale and Morey shared some blame and responsibility of the misuse of Lin and letting the Harden ISO run wild. Houston could have a much better record.

      IMO Morey can't force his hand too much on McHale unless he underachieves in the 2nd season. Also, Morey also 'messed' with the roster by doing TRob trade so he kinda owed McHale one there.

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    4. Psalm, pleasure to read an intelligent post without all the superlatives.

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    5. :D psalm could be the moderator in here :D

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    6. U guys are so naive. The point is Morey is in agreement with Mchale''s use of his players including Lin because Lin is dispensable. Just because Morey said some nice things about him to the media, now he''s blameless? This is not just one game, it's the entire effing season. Even when Lin was in the game with bev, bev ran the point. Wow McHale has complete freedom. Use freaking logic here.

      And MT, stop kissing up to psalm like a little bitch and make your point. U said Morey was not to blame at all and now u change your position? Lol.

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    7. Sorry guys. I will take that little bitch comment back knowing this board history about my use of profanity.

      i meant "like a little lap dog".

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    8. Solidz ur a virus. Dont infect us with your virus. Who made you queenbee of this site. Your snipes and slight replies are all feminine characteristics. Leave all ur petty stuff out ur butt and more people might engage you with more conversation. Till then go look urself in the mirror buddy.

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    9. mt you're nothing but personal attack huh?

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    10. It takes two to tango MT. And as via can attest, I love what I see in the mirror.

      And don't conveniently avoid the question. So for the final time, I will ask again. Should Morey get blamed at all for Lin being marginalized in this offense? Simple question. So a simple yes or no will suffice. And let's end this dicussion. I like having some closure before moving on. Spent way too much time on this.

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    11. mt, I can understand your point of view.

      You are not alone.

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    12. "And as via can attest, I love what I see in the mirror."
      - Hey! [didn't know you knew about my stalking...]

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    13. You start it and now you want closure. How convenient. You start with Khuang, then Michael Terry, and me. Who next? Nobody else calling you out on it except khuang, psalm, and me. i dont want to bring psalm into it. i figured i will cuz ur act is getting tiresome. You never even hear me out and started to go off. I doubt you will hear me out now.

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    14. If Solid is saying Morey's talk is cheap, and that Morey bears some blame in not letting Lin handle the ball more and play more as an off the ball player, then I agree. I would not be surprised to see Morey praise Lin and then trade him.

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    15. Don't bring Michael Terry into this. I like him. He seems to know a lot about shooting mechanics and basketball stats, and I actually complimented him for it. And I appreciated his long response despite our disagreement. I made that known to him. U go back and read my posts.

      What I don't understand is why u guys ( u and khuang) always bring other people into it. This is between U and me like it was between khuang and myself before. It's NOT About OTHER jlin fans. My pet peeve is illogical people who lack common sense and peolpe who blindly follow them. . Khuang is a perfect example of that ( look at my first post). It drives me absolutely nuts.


      Which brings me to my final point. I asked u a simple question and u refused to answer. Perhaps u have seen the error of your ways, and now humiliated to admit it. And I will humbly accept your silence as your tacit agreement with my logical belief that Morey does infact deserve blame for lin's marginalized role on offense this year.

      And to make things clear, I'm not the queen bed of this site. That title belongs to via.

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    16. U do exactly what u claim u dont like. Queenbee title definiely belongs to u. Bring via into wont ya.

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    17. One thing i dont like is someone trying to suppresses somebody elses voice and opinions by mocking them, being loud, obnoxious, and being an ass about it. Freedom of expression man. Learn about it. Your virus is spreading like a plague.

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    18. mt. you have 7 posts thus far. 0 is basketball or Lin related. 5 is personal attack related.

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    19. I thought you were against advanced stats?

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    20. I am against the wrongful application of advanced stats. I think I used it appropriately above?

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    21. GMs aren't expected to intervene in the way players are used. They don't get blamed for on court stuff. Kupchak would never have tried to make D'Antoni use Pau Gasol differently. Wages of Wins has long blamed George Karl for his use of Denver's players--they've never once blamed Denver's GM.

      GM's fire coaches when the team does poorly. There's no GM in the NBA that would fire McHale after last season. I think your anger at him is misplaced. I confess that I've felt angry that he didn't do something, but I also recognize, based on the evidence, that there's nothing he'd have been willing to do.

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    22. Two scenarios. Lets use logic here.

      1. Your scenerio: Morey loves Lin because what his trusted analysis shows ( eg 5th best at running the pnr) but let's McHale continue to misuse him (runs barely any picks for him, doesnt allow him to play the pg in the traditional way because its gets too sticky) because he doesn't want to meddle.

      2. My scenerio: Morey allows McHale to use Lin the way McHale wants to use him because he believes Lin is not the centerpiece of this team but a role player. He is quite content with what McHale is doing and making harden the focal point of the team. Harden is his baby, the prized piece he has been waiting to obtain since he took over the rox. As such, he believes that it would be best to cater the team to harden as much as possible even if it means Lin gets marginalized in the process.

      Both are pure speculations. But based on what you have seen last season, which do u think makes more sense?

      Lets see how this off season pans out. But the sheer fact that Morey is going for cp3 shows that Morey doesn't believe in Lin's potential to be superstar in the league. Do u think Cleveland, Wash, or even Minn would do such a thing even if they had the cap space?

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    23. Just curious about this 5th best PnR statement. Who are / were the guys above Lin actually? Harden and Parsons or any other Rockets players in there(ranked above Lin)? If not then all / any attempts to undermine Jeremy's PnR is catastrophically stupid and unjustifiable

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    24. He never specified it. It's a dumb stat to use because Jeremy didn't run that many pnr's to begin with. His sample size is so small that I am not sure if its really worth mentioning iunless you are cherry picking and data mining in your attempts to make someone look good. It's like calling a bench warmer an excellent shooter when he make 2 out of three shots.

      Not to say Jeremy is not a great pnr pg.. But just pointing out Morey's manipulation of data. Jeremy would be naive to trust this moonface.

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  3. Jeremy Lin 2012-2013 Season Highlights - Radioactive
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2jVY1mavr0

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  4. Jeremy Lin 2012-2013 Season Highlights - Radioactive
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2jVY1mavr0

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  5. I can't wait to see how this whole Dwight situation plays out.

    With or without him, I see Jeremy taking a big leap forward next year.

    I'd still love to see him on the Lakers someday...maybe soon.

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    1. Agree except the lakers part. GSW!!

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    2. You want Lin on the Lakers? He won't start above Nash.. isn't that a step backwards?

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    3. Nash is nearing the end of his career and constantly breaking down. He can barely play 32mpg even when healthy. Kobe won't be back till mid-season and needs to cut back on minutes when he returns. With D'Antoni coaching, Lin would get 28-30mpg even as a "backup" combo-guard.

      Maybe Etane is right and at the end of his contract, he'll try to reunite with Curry in GSW. I don't think Jackson likes him, though, and Curry would probably insist on playing PG. It would be too awkward for everyone.

      That said, Jeremy probably stays in Houston for the rest of his contract...unless the Rockets not only get Dwight but want another "star" (whether CP3 or PF) as well.

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  6. Look at this topic in realgm
    Is Dwight Howard Going To Force Jeremy Lin Out Of Houston?
    http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1254651

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    1. Aside for those who are fans of both Houston and Lin, I don't think too many Lin fans are upset about this?

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    2. Guilty of the former. However, I don't see Lin going anywhere unless he's getting replaced by CP3... and I *really* don't see that happening.

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  7. Everybody knows that Nash has maybe 1 more year in him(if that). I think Lin can learn a lot playing with Nash.The problem I see for Lin on Lakers is Coby. Coby's been hating on Lin for 2 years now. Anyone think Coby could cause problems for Lin?

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    2. Kobe's not hating on Lin! He really respects him actually, even as an opponent.

      Now, on the court, Kobe definitely could be a problem. But Jeremy is used to playing with a ballhog SG (who isn't even as good). And Kobe's age and Achilles injury will force him to rely on his PG more in the future.

      I don't know...I still think the Lakers would be a much better situation for Jeremy than Houston. If nothing else, they are OLD. They desperately need youth.

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  8. No problems at all. If Lin were ever in danger, Coby would save him.

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    1. LOL too funny! That's way ahead of the current caesar arc, right? He looks as strong as silvers raleigh.

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    1. @via - who was the one you quoted again for that "we are unbeatable" from Heat?

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    2. an oldie fr Tim Gallwey, somebody was probably taking inspiration fr his philosophy [thus requoting him] ?

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    3. Nice to know the Lin-Smith personal connection is strong! thx via :D

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    4. @psalm~ well, nothing like a dead possum to bring people closer. =P

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    5. Close? Lin was clearly chastising GS's inability to stay out of foul trouble. = P

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    6. At least Lin is close enough to needle GSmith with his foul-prone possum ways :D

      Still waiting for Lin to tweet to Harden, "Was it an ISO or an ISO?" :p

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  10. Rox is convinced that Howard's expected $30m windfall with Lakers can be poo poo'ed away by Houston's expected run at the playoffs. I think $30,000,000.00 in the hand is worth more than 2 birds in the bush, or 2 Rox rings, or 2 nights out with Houston's downtown miffs.

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    1. Harden in 廣州 for Nike summer camp. [JLin not going this year.]

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    2. Yeah harden was ssyung that he was going to China for some reason. I guess Nike must think that because he is Lin's teammate, everyone in Chi an wii automatically live him as well.

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    3. halo effect. [it happened to Landry, and happening now to Parsons. worth a try.] =P

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    4. Why csn't u put your halo effect on me? Everybody hates me.

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    5. bcos i have no halo? =P
      ["Everybody hates me."- you know that's not true. your mom loves you.] ^^

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    6. I meant everyone HERE miss smart thing. Seriously though. Don't be so stingy.. Give me some of that halo.

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    7. what, being stalked, i mean loved, by me is not enough? smh...

      [srly tho: you have a lot of fans. they're just too ashamed to reveal themselves.] =P

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    8. Joking about which one? U stalking me or a lot of fans. Either way, I'm sad...

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  12. Dwight Howard is currently among the top 10 NBA paid stars based on salary and endorsements:

    http://www.ballerstatus.com/2013/01/25/kobe-bryant-tops-forbes-list-nbas-highest-paid-players/

    Not only does Dwight risk those lucrative endorsements AND an extra $30,000,000.00 from Lakers by signing with Houston, all those CF fans must think he has 'Rox' - actually rocks in his head if they think he'll go to the deserted land. Still, people are saying that Dwight is not altogether there in the Harvard eligibility category. That seems to be the only chance - that he wants to be much poorer - that DH is going to Houston.

    It didn't take Lin much thought to ditch the Knicks. It was common sense - not his Harvard finance degree to go where the owner spoke with his cheque book, not his mouth.

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    1. Don't think Dwight will come to HOU, but HE'LL MAKE MORE WITH THE ROX.
      [as for endorsements, being JLin's team mate = Asia.]

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    2. Don't think D12 is the solution for Rox.

      Also, remember those empty seats in Toyota Center? <-- don't think he will come to Rox to see those.

      I still suggest getting George Karl. Rox needs a coach who can recognize his players' potentials, and know how to use them to the fullest.

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    3. "but HE'LL MAKE MORE WITH THE ROX."
      Dont' believe that article's headline. His tax calculations are at best an optimistic fantasy, at worst a calculated lie. If Howard can't find a good accountant to invest in deductible projects to bring his tax payment to almost negligible then he's not trying. It's a common fact that many billionaires pay less tax than the average wage earner in the USA.

      The writer indicates a tax saving of $15m then makes a convoluted argument why Howard can't get the extra $30m from the Lakers therefore he'll be $8m worse off staying at the Lakers.

      It's a common case of jealousy. Why should you refuse a pay rise despite the increased tax rate. The more money you get the more you can invest in tax deductible projects or more expensive accountants. 'Money begets money'.

      How this writer can say to your face that getting a $30,000,000 pay rise will result in a $8m loss is totally incomprensible.

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  13. Alan George (@treeSIDjorge)
    6/7/13, 6:06 PM
    Palo Alto High School's Jeremy Lin will be working out on the Stanford campus this summer

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    6/7/13, 8:03 PM
    Ironic considering Stanford fake-recruited him. MT @treeSIDjorge: .... Jeremy Lin will be working out on the Stanford campus this summer

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    not sure if it's open to the public, but anyone studying in Stanford or living near Stanford? If so, could you go watching his training, and let us know how it goes?

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    1. I think you need to be the alumni, student, staff or faculty member of Stanford to have the access to the campus facilities. Lin could have gained special permission to work out there...stalking him around the campus isn't a good idea...

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    2. I think typically, the local residents can buy membership.

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    3. Not sure about membership subscription open to the local community though

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    4. Yeah..I guess that only apply to public schools.

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    5. If you read the info, the facilities are open to people with a Stanford ID. But usually even if that's the case, some schools allow students to bring in one guest but they also need to sign in and show some from of ID.

      Most likely Lin got some connections that made those arrangements to use their facilities and their trainers, which probably is closed to the public. Kobe Bryant actually is seen numerously practicing at UC Irvine's gym, but people only can see him from a distance through the windows.

      Here's a list of the facilities and info at Stanford. If Lin is on campus, he'll probably be spotted, but most likely it won't be open to the public.

      http://www.gostanford.com/facilities/stan-facilities-list.html

      https://www.stanford.edu/dept/pe/cgi-bin/facilities/

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  14. Why settle for one? Rockets going after Howard AND Paul

    Howard has generated by far the most attention as a Rockets free-agent target, but the team plans a similar and simultaneous pursuit of Los Angeles Clippers guard Chris Paul, a person with knowledge of the Rockets’ thinking said. According to another individual familiar with the team’s plans, “they are targets No. 1 and 1A.”

    The difference is there have been far more indications Howard, a 6-11 center, will be receptive to the Rockets’ recruiting efforts. Although it is too early to know if Paul, a 6-0 guard, is disinterested or keeping his thoughts private, the Rockets have gone through detailed preparations to chase both.

    Rockets players James Harden and Chandler Parsons have spoken with Howard about the Rockets and playing in Houston. Harden is even closer to Paul from their time together on the USA Basketball senior national team.

    But Howard’s interest in the Rockets also could point to the difficulty in landing Paul.

    http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/06/why-settle-for-one-rockets-going-after-howard-and-paul/

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    1. I hope Morey lands both D12 and CP3 - they are both similar in their diva like attitude while neither has won nothing. There was a recent grantland article pointing this out - the only difference being public perception.

      Parsons will become a Mike Miller. Harden will become his former OKC self with the irony now being him playing the role of Jeremy having to share the ball with another ball dominat player. McHale will not be able to handle the influx of two ego as we know he couldn't coach himself out of a paper bag.

      I would love to witness the demise of Rox after what they did to Jeremy this year. Morey is getting way too greedy..and I'm waiting for this humpty dumpty eith his gigsntic moon face (lose some effing weight, will u, u freaking geek?) to have a great fall

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    2. Haha....I really want this to happen....And is always better than Or...(Ford commercial said so.)

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    3. If the Clippers can get Lin and somehow pick up Andre Iguodala, they can have a lineup of:

      Deandre Jordan
      Blake Griffin
      Caron Butler
      Andre Iguodala
      Jeremy Lin

      bench includes:
      Jamal Crawford
      Eric Bledsoe

      or get another shooter like Kevin Martin

      I think that's a good enough team to compliment Lin's strengths and would be very exciting to watch.

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    4. If the Rockets end up getting Howard and Chris Paul they will have almost no cap room anymore. This means that Asik and Lin are pretty much gone as they can't pay that much money to back up players. If that were to happen the Rockets would be a 4-5 seed in the West but not a championship team.

      Asik and Lin are some of my favorite players in the NBA I would follow them wherever they go. Asik and Lin were the reason the Rockets did so well this season and they will bring success to any team they goto.

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    5. I don't see the Clippers interested in Lin and Asik. They have crawford as ball handler and they're really high on Bledsoe. Lin and Asik are the ones who lakers miss. A dynamic pg who can score and defend and a rim protector.

      I still don't see the rockets getting Paul and Howard though.... But the lakers could be a good solution. It could be perfect if they amnesty metta so they can't realease no one next year

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    6. That is my theory : Lin had number 17 when he was coached by D'antoni. Last year nash didn't want to join the lakers but somehow he ended up in purple and gold. Then the lakers fired brown and they could have had Phil Jackson but incredibly they signed D'antoni. Now Dwight Howard is a free agent and he could end up in houston with Lin moving to the lakers so everything makes perfect sense : nash will be the menthor of jeremy with D'antoni as coach and they will go after the ring number 17 for la....

      Do you like it? :D

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    7. "nash will be the menthor of jeremy with D'antoni as coach"

      It seems too perfect to be true.

      Alternate Dream Scenario:

      Lin S&T to the Clippers (so Houston can sign CP3) playing for George Karl (a top coaching candidate for the Clips), who is not only a brilliant coach but a huge fan of Jeremy.

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    8. Asik doesn't need to be a Clipper, if they get a 3rd team involved or just trade him during the season. He's simply part of the deal to allow Chris to make as much money as possible in a sign and trade.

      In a dream scenario, the Clippers could ask for Asik, Lin, and Parsons and then trade Caron Butler to the Nuggets and Asik to another team that could offer more to the Nuggets, who in turn would sign and trade Iggy to the Clippers.


      The Clippers could then roll out a lineup of:

      DJ
      Griffin
      Parsons
      Iggy
      Lin

      The Lakers can't do sign and trades while receiving players, so if Dwight leaves for Houston, he does it strictly as a free agent.

      Now that Jason Kidd has retired, the Clippers could easily offer him a assistant coaching job or consultant to mentor Lin. Or even Steve Nash if he ends up retiring sooner than later.

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    9. @spotless

      "They have crawford as ball handler and they're really high on Bledsoe."

      Crawford is no PG and the Clips are actually looking to trade Bledsoe according to reports.

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    10. @ zxcvb, exactly. The Clippers scenario seems more likely, especially since the Lakers can't do sign and trades.

      George Karl would also be a great coach for Lin. D'Antoni can also be picked up as coach, if the Lakers fire him in the future.

      Best case for Lin to get his full PG duties back while also playing alongside very athletic bigs in DJ and Griffin, along with bringing in another defensive wing like Iggy would be incredible. They could try to get Tony Allen instead.

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    11. "The Lakers can't do sign and trades while receiving players,"

      Isn't it the other way around? They can't do S&T while SENDING OUT players.

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    12. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one

      • 2011 CBA: "Starting in 2013-14, teams more than $4 million above the tax level cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade transaction."

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    13. Ah, thanks for that link! That clears up the issue -- that clause kicks in this upcoming season, so maybe that's why myself and others were confused.

      Clippers it is. I love the idea of Jeremy playing with Blake and DJ...finally some bigs who can play above the rim. With Tyson and Landry in NY, it was Lob City Lite. Can you imagine Jeremy throwing lobs to Blake and Deandre? That would be a sight to see. Jeremy throws those lobs better than CP3 (he can throw 'em from half-court).

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    14. They can amnesty metta....

      Bout the Clippers to me crawford is a ballhog. I'd prefer the lakers cause of D'antoni. We still don't know the new coach of the Clippers

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    15. Even if they amnestied Metta, the Lakers still wouldn't have the right pieces to completely run the D'Antoni offense. Gasol has bad knees and isn't as athletic as DJ and Griffin.

      The Clippers are in a much better scenario where they have the pieces already and can get more to put a better team around Lin. Also since the Clippers have always been the little bro to the Lakers, imagine if the Clippers became a Top team and better than the Rockets and Lakers. That's truly Linsanity 2.0. It's a better scenario for Lin than playing for the gutted Lakers.

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    16. It's only the signed-and-traded player that can't be received by a team over the apron. LA can indeed do a sign-and-trade for Lin.

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    17. Also, it's very unlikely that Houston is trying to acquire Howard and Paul at the same time. I'm curious if the writer of the article left that purposely ambiguous to drive page views, but as written, this is just Morey's normal philosophy. He has said that he tries to go after every top free agent, no matter how unlikely, because there's no reason not to. He's not trying to play it cool.

      To get both Paul and Howard would require leverages in places Houston and/or the players have no leverage and require unacceptable risks which would leave the team in tatters in the event the risk didn't pay off. The pay-off, Houston's supporting cast being gutted, is not worth that risk.

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    18. It's too bad that the Lakers are a more likely destination because the Clips would indeed be an awesome situation.

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    19. ditto on the clips. also as one and only stated.

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    20. How are the Lakers a more likely destination? The Lakers are looking to make a splash in the summer of 2014 with all the free agents possibly available. Bringing in Lin puts $8 mill against the cap, and if Nash and Asik are part of that team, that's $16+ more against the cap. That's also assuming the Lakers ownership agrees to do that.

      The Clippers have money hungry Sterling, and if there's a owner that would want to exploit Lin's mass appeal, it's him. D'Antoni is not that much of a big factor, especially since the Clippers can bring in a coach that can play that style for Lin and surround him with much better teammates.

      The Lakers would still look slow as hell with an aging Gasol and a Kobe coming off a major injury. Bringing in Lin doesn't make sense for the Lakers.

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    21. If the Lakers don't want to keep Lin and Asik after a year, they can get rid of them as expiring contracts. If they do like Lin and Asik, there are other slow, aging vets they can get rid of to make cap room.

      Lin would be welcomed to the Lakers more than the Clippers. They want youth and there's no young PG waiting in the wings. They might not love it, but they'd just be happy to get something in return for Howard. On the other hand, most Clippers fans assume CP will be back. With Lin's current reputation, can you imagine the gut punch it would be to trade the NBA's putative best PG for him? If you think Houston fans are nasty, wait until you taste that. If Houston gets CP, it'll be part of 3-way deal and he'll go to some crappy team.

      With their athletic big men, Lin would make an ideal PG there if he were allowed to play PG. What's the status with Bledsoe, though? I seem to remember people thinking he had potential as a point. If he's still going to be there, that's another reason they wouldn't take Lin. They'd just make Bledsoe the point.

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    22. That's easier said than done, even though their salaries count as $8 mill against the cap, both Lin and Asik will be getting that $15 mill payment. Also having Pau and Asik is redundant, since both pack the paint and Pau doesn't like playing stretch 4. Lin would have a lot less room to drive. Asik is not a great finisher or catcher around the basket.

      Did Lin all of a sudden become a 30 year old veteran? Lin on the Clippers would bring a huge wave of fans, especially since Clipper games are much more affordable than the Lakers. Lakers fans are much worst than Clippers fans especially they got a taste of Linsanity whupping them. You clearly haven't seen how much the Lakers fan rip into Pau Gasol. The minute Lin messes up with the Lakers, the media and fans would be all over how Lin is overrated.

      Clippers got bounced in the first round, there's not much Chris Paul can do now with that Clippers team. You give them an exciting team with a player that can still improve, they'll get over it.

      Bledsoe is not a true PG. They could easily play Lin and him in the back court if they wanted too or let them battle it out. Competition breeds greatness. The Lakers still have Nash and Steve Blake as well. Every counter argument you make against the Clippers, there's another one against the Lakers.

      Also you're forgetting when Kobe returns, D'Antoni can decide to take the ball out of Lin's hands along with Pau wanting the ball more in the post. The Clippers bigs still rely a lot on a play-maker to get them shots.

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    24. If we're basing it off fan bases, the Lakers probably have the biggest of all in the NBA and the most bandwagon fans. So if we're worried about Lin receiving criticism, it would be much worst from Lakers fans since they get more media coverage.

      Clippers have been in mediocrity for years, even if the Clippers didn't make the playoffs, it wouldn't be as bad as it would be doing that with the Lakers.

      To compare fan bases just on the internet alone.

      Lakers fans have:

      Lakersground.net (plenty of trolls, including ones who continue to hate on Lin and only think he's a marketing gimmick). Rockets fans even go post on that website.

      Lakers Nation
      ClubLakers
      RealGm

      does anyone know of any Clipper fan websites that even comes close to that amount of traffic regarding their fanbase?

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    25. If Lin lands on the Clippers, I'll love it.

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    26. If Lin and George Karl land on the Clippers by some miraculous turn of events (stars declining money), I would also love it.

      I'm afraid it might be wishful thinking, though :(

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    27. That would be amazing if that that happened, Houston getting CP3 and Clippers getting Lin. Without Paul, the Clippers don't have another ball-dominant guard, so Lin would be that guy.

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    28. You never know psalm... :D

      anyway lakers or Clippers is a win / win situation but it all depends on Bledsoe if he stays or leaves and crawford who is such a ballhog ....

      We'll see

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    29. Bledsoe has one more year with a qualifying offer the following season that will make him a restricted free agent. The Clippers have the most leverage there. If they don't want to overpay Bledsoe, it's better to have him compete for that PG spot behind Lin and let the market dictate his value.

      It's a 82 game season so anything can happen. Or if he's disgruntled, they can package him and Crawford or Butler for another athletic wing, i.e. Iguodala or draft picks.

      Jamal Crawford is just there for insurance, but many teams would love to have him as a 6th man for scoring purposes but he isn't a PG. He has an affordable contract a little over $5million.

      The Clippers are in the best situation to trade for Lin and make the necessary changes to bring in better players to play with Lin, Griffin, and DJ.

      If the Clippers end up taking, they can get even better if they get a Top 3 pick and possibly either get Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker as well. Even if they missed out on those 2 players, the 2014 draft class could be potentially stacked with more talent for other wing players including Glen Robinson III, James Young, etc.

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    30. http://msn.foxsports.com/topics/device/mobile/t/75893879/nba-coach-of-the-year-george-karl-could-end-up-with-clippers-grizzlies-or-nets-nba-news-fox-sports-on-msn.htm?m_n=true

      what were you talking about psalm? :D

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    31. HOU would be legit, contending team with CP3/Harden/Dwight. Harden would respect CP3 and play off the ball more. Looking back, his stats in OKC were crazy efficient, while playing with 2 other superstars.

      I'm not a big fan of Morey but he would be hailed as one of the best GM's in the league for putting HOU in a position (salary cap-wise) to land 3 superstars in 2 years. Unlike Morey, there are some terrible GM's out there that sign players to bad, cap killing contracts. If a sign and trade is going to happen, it'll be between LAC/HOU for CP3. I think Dwight's just gonna sign with HOU, so no need for S&T.

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    32. hm, George Karl and the Clippers definitely have the interest in each other, Spotless :D

      It's the CP3 equation that I have a hard time believing he will leave LA, money on the table, his own team where he just dumped his own coach for Houston to join forces with another dominant-guard in Harden and a small possibility of Howard also leaving his money in LA to come to Houston. *sigh*

      But perhaps we can speculate if they want to create their own 3-star team in Houston like the Heat by taking less money :D

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    33. Thanks for the Chris Paul trade article, via.

      Daryl Morey ‏@dmorey 4 Jun
      I think I would beat @JLin7 in all traditional geek sports -table tennis,chess,... MT @htownhoopsgrl Who would win a chess match,U or @JLin7

      The moon face is so full of himself!

      Love to see Paul land on HOU so that Lin gets to be shipped out to another team which he lead to the playoffs!

      And love to see the two ball dominant guards fight till the last man standing for the ball.

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    34. lol, moon face. so apt. [yw, liv.]

      "And love to see the two ball dominant guards fight till the last man standing for the ball." :D

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    35. Hey give me credit for the moonface insult. . U copied it from me !! I take my insults seriously


      Good discussions by Niu and Michael Terry above.

      If Lin was allowed run point on the clippers, that would be exciting to see. On either team, Lin would draw more fans. Clippers would certainly benefit more if they wanna replace cp3 with another high profile player.

      Does this sportige site also have articles talking about how the sky might be blue and how the weather may get cold in the winter?

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    36. If Rox does not land Dwight or some other bigs upgrade, I don't see CP3 willing to play with the current Rox front line.

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    37. Most people thinks it's a very long shot that Houston gets Paul and Howard. I thought it was yesterday. After reading more about it, I'm starting to think it's at least 50/50. Chris Paul is REALLY smart and REALLY competitive. I've read a lot about him. If I had to make a list of players likely to take a small pay cut to form a team to win a championship, Paul would be in my top 5. Maybe #1.

      Vegas already thinks Howard would go to Houston 7 times in every 12 similar situations. If that's true, it's only a matter if CP would join him.

      Most likely reasons CP wouldn't join him, just guessing, is that he thinks Howard is a goofball who's not serious enough or smart enough to win with or he'd feel guilty about leaving LA high and dry after forcing out its coach. Any others?

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    38. My dream scenario would indeed by George Karl and Lin on the Clippers. That team would win a ton of games. We already know Karl thought Lin was "the engine of [Houston]" last year. With the Clipper's athletic front court and Lin running the show, yum.

      I'm not putting much hope in that. I think it's likelier, if there's a sign-and-trade with the Clips, it'll be a multiteam trade and Lin will go somewhere like the Jazz. Not that that would be terrible, mind you. Lin's stats will certainly improve.

      BTW, Lin's contract only counted 5-5-15 against the Knicks. For any Houston trading partner, it'll be the same 8.3 against the cap that Houston enjoys.

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    39. "Hey give me credit for the moonface insult. . U copied it from me !! I take my insults seriously"
      - we pay homage to the emperor of epithets. =P

      "Does this sportige site also have articles talking about how the sky might be blue and how the weather may get cold in the winter?"
      - i read once that water is wet. [you're so testy...^^]

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    40. So it seems like if DH goes to a team already with an all-star, CP3 (if he moves) will likely follow suit? Maybe that's why the Rox played up Harden so much. So that they can create the impression that they have potential of becoming a super team.

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    41. thx for the article, via.

      It’s Official: Donald Sterling Hates His Team And Doesn’t Want It To Succeed

      It looks like Sterling and CP3 developed a rift and Sterling threw CP3 under the bus regarding del Negro's firing (although it might be true from other reports). This definitely could lead to him leaving the Clippers and the money for spite.

      I thought only mgmt said that but if it was the owner, then CP3 might really leave.
      idk about Sterling as an owner being really cheap but it might still be a step above Dolan.

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    42. [yw, psalm.] :)

      Anyone is a step above Dolan, lol.

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    1. THE FIX IS IN.

      This is a very suspicious move by the NBA to have Joey Crawford referee game 2 when Miami desperately needs to win.

      People should read what Tim Donaghy said about the NBA fixing games through their "chosen" referees like Joey Crawford. It is pretty shocking, even for the hardened cynic.

      Excerpts From The Book The NBA Doesn't Want You To Read
      http://deadspin.com/5392067/excerpts-from-the-book-the-nba-doesnt-want-you-to-read

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    2. After JC "accidentally" interrupted the Spurs inbound play, Miami went on their big run. If you're San Antonio, and you already know JC is suspect, doesn't that get in your head a little bit? I found it suspicious.

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    3. I told my wife the same thing, she does not believe it tho.

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    4. You can tell her you've been seconded. ;)

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    5. this game reminded me of the Spurs vs Warriors. Warriors have better, consistent 3-point shooters in Thompson and Curry (imho both are better and way consistent than Allen and Miller), yet the Spurs defeated them. Spurs will be back to their home court for 3 games and I hope they get back their shooting touches.

      I miss Jeremy!!!!!!! :(

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    6. Should have bet some money on Miami once Crawford was announced as an official for the game. :-(

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    7. I'm still betting on Spurs... go Spurs!!!

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    8. I think besides LBJ, the only problems for Spurs is their physical conditions. I guess that's true for every OLDER teams..

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  16. Lin with the Clippers would be awesome. Showtime and more. Please Houston sign CP3 so Lin can get out of there.

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  17. Courtesy of TTNN

    Serious Inquiry about Jeremy Lin

    "Oh, see this comment a lot, sounds really reasonable. we are not asking too much, it referred that JLin is not even meet the lowered standard.

    Let's look at Lin's this season numbers to last season's number:

    Season FG% 3P% FT%
    2011-12 0.446 0.32 0.798
    2012-13 0.441 0.339 0.785

    they are pretty much the same.

    If you further drill down,

    Season at rim 3P%
    2011-12 0.52 0.32
    2012-13 0.637 0.339

    JLin improved his FG% at rim a good 11%. And got the same 3P shooting. So his shooting was comparable to his NY numbers, what changed?


    Well, he's shot composition has changed, he shot much less midrange and his 3P shot occupy 29% of his FGA this season, yet his last season only 19% of FGA is 3P.

    Also he don't have ball in his hands now. His 3pt was only 58% assisted in 2011-2012 season, that number jumped to 83% this year. Yeah, he is a spot up shooter now, what do you expect.

    Another change is that per 36min, his field goal attempt dropped from 14.7 to 12.2. He also has much less FTA, much lower usage rate.


    Another big change is that, in last season, JLin's Assist% was 41%, that dropped to 29% this season, yet it is still the highest in the team. Assist% estimate the % FG was assisted by the player while he is on court. This big drop reflect that JLin is not THE point guard anymore, he is only A point guard.

    Anyway, when discussing about JLin's production, a lot of people just complain that he is not consistent, he is not shooting well, and conveniently ignored that he has to play out of his position, out of his game, and yet expect him to deliver.

    It is so laughable that people keep saying that we don't need him to be linsanity, he don't need to be the main scorer, we just need him to pass and be a PG. Yet, he was not get to play PG all the time, and what he was asked was exactly what he did in Linsanity, that is score a bunch, however, he need to score without ball in his hand, and without being the main offense focus, basically as a spot up shooter.

    A lot of people saying that JLin need to learn to play off ball, cut more, (basically he need to be another Parsons, play off ball, shot 3s, and cut and move).

    However, it takes two person to play off ball, a cutter, and a passer. Look at the Rocket team, who pass the most to the at rim assist? JLin. The second, J.Harden. These two assist the whole teams' around 70% of FG at rim. And compare to Harden, JLin have higher percentage of his assist goes to the rim.

    So JLin could not assist to himself when he play off ball. When ball in Harden's hand, as a wing player, you simply don't cut, you don't want to rush into paint and clog Harden's drive way. That's why J. Harden's at rim assist are mostly to our bigs like Asik and Smith. Most Harden's assist to Parsons are 3Pt, and JLin give more at rim assist than 3pts to Parsons. So, untill Parsons improve his ball handling and passing capabilities, JLin would have limitations play off ball.

    Of course, another way to improve that is have more play set, it is much easier to assist when you know where your teammate are heading, but if we keep running this read and react style, pretty much anyone on the team would perform better than JLin to play off the ball. Simply JLin is most effective in spot the cutter and deliver the ball at the right time and at the right angle. (or we could hope JHarden to improve his court vision, and convert to a PG).

    Parsons benefit to play with JLin and JHarden, because he is benefit from two good play maker and passer. Without a strong playmaker or passer to support him, JLin could never become another Parsons."

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    1. There is only 1 good play maker and that is Jeremy Lin. It is laughable that even though Harden is playing PG and had way more ball possession and usage rate but still couldn't outmatched Jeremy who had much lower ball possession and usage rate in terms of play making. What a funny team / league

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    2. We all assume that a player is paid big money and is told what to do when he joins the team. But in Harden's case, it's possible that Rox were so desperate to get a star that he wrote into the contract that Rox had to provide conditions for him to be chosen as an All Star. That is public - the NBA All Star bonus but privately it's possible that McHail had to bow on his knees and get the rest of the team to give iso conditions for Harden to pad his stats.

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    3. Ok, i finally get it. Harden's contract spells out that no matter what, even if it means at the expense of his teammates, especially Lin, he had to be given the ball most of the time so that he could pad his stat and become an all-star. The about face after two good games was primarily triggered by the fear that once Lin and him hailed as The Best Backcourt, Lin would be voted in ti the all-star but not Harden... i feel like throwing up now...

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    4. * Lin, not Harden, would be voted to the all-star lineup...i feel like throwing up now...

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    5. some contract info~

      "...The last year of Harden's five-year, $79 million contract with the Rockets is only 50% guaranteed. That means Harden, who passed on a four-year offer from the Thunder that topped out at $55 million, is guaranteed to earn $69.7 million from Houston during the next 5 seasons...Harden almost certainly will hit one of the benchmarks specified in the contract to guarantee the rest of his 2017-18 salary and collect the full $79 million. All he has to do is make one All-Star team in a 4-season span from 2013-14 through 2016-17 to double his take in Year 5...There are other incentive clauses in the contract, based on postseason advancement and statistical benchmarks, that also can make Harden's $17.8 million salary in 2017-18 fully guaranteed."

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    6. livyrlife, wing player can cut of course. It is just depends on design of your offensive scheme. More movement from the players without the ball will give the defense more trouble. McHale just did not implement those weak side movement or anything similar.

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    7. It's not in his contract. That is ludicrous.

      Morey/McHale are simply catering to whom they believe is the one true superstar of the team. Morey has even said everyone but harden is tradeable.

      So don't get it twisted. The Rox are 100% behind harden as the center piece of their franchise. Lin??... Meh... Good to have a around for Asian $$$.

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    8. The contract is Harden has to make one NBA All Star team to receive his bonus. If McHail does not provide the conditions necessary for Harden to achieve it eg abundant minutes, being dominant PG, getting iso and PNR plays for him, Harden could in fact sue Rox for breach of contract?

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    9. That is really a weird contract to start with, basically it asks Harden to pad stats instead of winning games..

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    10. It seems a weird contract but Rox at the beginning of the season was going to be a cellar dweller. They had really no hope of making the playoffs so they decided on second best which was to develop an All Star thru Harden.

      And good luck to them - they achieved it in 1 season AND made the playoffs. Another weird thought - Lin took a lot of votes away from Harden in the All star voting - so will they get rid of Lin asap? Can Harden sue Lin for reducing his chances of making the NBA All Star team which is a condition or KPI in Harden's contract? Weird!

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    11. It's typical for sports contractst to have those incentives. I'm all for killing the Rox, as unequivoally evidenced by my recent posts, but u r crazy if u think that such type of contract is made to ensure that McHale commodates harden, in fear of getting sued. WTF? Where do u guys get this stuff?

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    12. That's where we need good lawyers to develop contracts which don't have unintended consequences. Some years ago a rookie was signed to a huge contract and he didn't deliver and the CBA later prevented future rookies from unlimited payours. Maybe the All Star bonus needs to be looked at as well.

      Does anyone have links to other teams having such huge rewards for All Stars selection in preference to winning a ring for the team.

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    13. Go look at Ricky Williams contract that master p negotiated for him.

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    14. Looks like the All Stars bonus is pretty rare. It's speculation but Rox seem to have been forced into an unfair contract due to their desperation to get a star like Harden. Hopefully DH won't get similar clauses.

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  19. Question, if MIA does not have LBJ, what do you think about Rox beating MIA in a playoff series?

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    1. still not good, Brent. The Heat's athleticism would still bother the Rox 3PT shooters while Wade, Bosh, Allen/Miller would still exploit Rox inconsistent defense.

      The key part of Houston stagnating offense vs Thunder was the over-reliance to their 3PT shooting. When it went cold, Thunder made the run. Live by the 3s, die by the 3s.

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  23. I hope Donald Sterling is hedging his bets on CP3 because CP3 might bail on them anyways and CP3 likes to hold teams hostage but he is much more manipulative/cunning than DHO so he never allows teams to expose him like Orlando exposed DHO.

    So what will be most telling is if the Clippers hire a white coach like G. Karl before CP3 ever commits to passively force CP3 out and/or test CP3's resolve to the team.

    It's common knowledge CP3 prefers a black coach who clicks with him, although CP3 still might stay just because he and his wife love the LA lifestyle, and the Clipper situation is not a bad one at all.

    I think the only way CP3 goes though is if DHO goes to Houston and then CP3 decides to form a super friends team in Houston. Then Lin/Asik-or-filler has to be traded to the Clippers to create the cap room for DHO and CP3. It would be quite ideal for Lin and for the Clippers.

    The Clippers are the step child team of LA, and while the Lakers probably can't sign Lin as a marquee player even if they wanted due to potential backlash, the Clippers can do something crazy like that and get away with it if it bombs because they are the Clippers...

    At the Clipper Houston game last season, the place was complete Linmania and Lin got a cheer twice as loud as Blake Griffin who got a cheer 1.5 times as loud as CP3. The place was sold out too...Donald Sterling may have taken notice and knows Lin could be a good business move for the next 5-10 years even if he doesn't believe in Lin the player. Lin would also make the Clippers global, at least in Asia.

    I'm sure Donald knows he can get Lin on the cheap right now, save cap room, and expand the Clipper brand with Lin whereas the Lakers don't need Lin to do that for them. Plus Blake and Lin seemed to actually click personality wise at the Rookie-Soph game a few years back. It's an ideal chemistry fit.

    CP3 is better than Lin TODAY, but if CP3 leaves, it would be time to get rid of CP3 and Billups (who complained about Blake's personality recently) Matt Barnes, maybe even Crawford, and build around Blake and let Lin lead the team at guard and add in some better chemistry guys who will play supporting roles behind Blake and Lin.

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    1. CP3 will want to play with guys who can run lob city offense with him, so it does make it likelier for him to go to Hou if DH also joins.

      I don't know much about Lakers, but why would there be backlash? Because he can't fill Nash's shoes? But Nash last year with Blake, and Fisher before that, it wasn't as if Lakers had high impact PG's anyways. So even if JLin underwhelms with Lakers at PG, would it really cause much backlash?

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    2. Even billups said griffin is a too nice of a guy ... It could be perfect. We'll see. I don't see Paul with the Clippers next year cause of what he said in the press room after the memphis loss ...

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  24. ROX FINED for TAMPERING
    [According to Stein, the articles posted on a team website refers to material on the Rockets' official site.]

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    1. so attempting to induce a breach of employment contract is against the constitution...? kinda confused... so only GM's and their HR teams can be the direct point of contact for personnel negotiations? so does Parsons courting DH count as tampering?

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    1. thanks for the link. very funny!

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    2. Lin should read his.. Oh yeah I forgot .. They are all racist in nature

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    3. The tweets they got are nothing compared to Lin's. But I still pity the one Andre Iguodala got, it ain't right.

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    4. hilarious, via :D
      not sure how Kimmel got them all to read those crazy tweets

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  26. Just when I thought I was out...

    Per Synergy (for those unfamiliar, their unit of measurement is points per play), Lin was #42 in the NBA as the PnR Handler(ppp .85). Given that a) Lin was #11 in the NBA among all point guards in minutes played b) 25.9% of Lin's plays were as the PnR handler (higher than any other play type) I would say that there is absolutely sufficient sample size, and it is indeed relevant.

    Per Synergy, Harden is #5 in the NBA (1.0). For the better part of the season, Harden was actually #1.

    Why the disconnect with what Morey is telling us? I have no idea, his stuff is proprietary. If I had to hazard a guess?

    Morey says that Lin is the 5th best (boy I hope he didn't get JL mixed up with JH... jk) PnR player in the game at 9 plays a game (this is not the quote you would read in the article referencing the interview; the sloppiness that passes for reporting these days drives me batty). Synergy would have Lin at only 4 per game. The difference? Assists. Or maybe it would be more accurate to say attempted assists. With Synergy, if you give up the ball for a score, it's the PnR Man (their terminology, not mine) who gets the point.

    Again, we don't know how Morey values a play. For all I know, it might not even matter if a score is made. For example, the Rockets may give credit for putting the team in position to score; in this case, Lin wouldn't be penalized for, say, a missed dunk.

    Another aside: Our PnR Man rank for the team is #10 in the league (1.03 ppp). Omer has serious game *, and while his true value is D, he ranks #55 (1.02) in the NBA for PnR Man. I don't know if I've ever talked up this other guy, but he's named Greg Smith and he's #9 in the NBA (1.28 ppp!). If only he could play D. I think some of you critics of Houston's big men need your eye tests recalibrated, but then again you could be forgiven if you're comparing them to Lin's former PnR partner (who happens to own the career high FG%).

    Bottom line: This is the second time that Morey has shown his numbers to draw different conclusions than those that are publicly available, and both times show Lin in the favorable light.

    Other random number for reference: The Rockets' ppp for all plays is 0.96.

    *@via, that's for you ;)

    [I do hope you know what I'm referring to]

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    1. Great post.

      How much does Synergy give the pick and roll guard if the roll man goes to the line? None, credit for the free throws made, or an expected value based on league average free throw rate?

      If I had to guess, I'd be almost sure Morey's tracking gives credit on plays based on how much leverage he created and not penalize for other players' mistakes or other aspects of the play that are outside of his control. This only makes sense. In the NFL, I'm a fan of this series of posts that analyzes the play of DB backs by how well they covered on every play, notwithstanding whether the QB saw that the receiver was open or made an accurate pass. An example:

      http://presnapreads.com/2013/05/16/richard-sherman-the-numbers-the-tape-the-verdict/

      I loved Greg Smith's potential all season. He was a monster around the basket. I was curious all year whether, if they just kept feeding Smith pick and rolls, his offense would be a net advantage over his defensive deficiencies.

      In fact, this was a problem all year with the whole offense. When I would see Lin trust his front court over and over, they would reward him, including Asik, who was supposed to be a bumbler. But they would never continue with it past short stretches. I'm pretty sure Lin would have preferred to continue feeding his beg men, so I assume it was called off by the staff.

      Which was the first time Morey's numbers showed Lin in a more favorable light that you're referring to, @nom? What I'd add is that Morey has repeatedly referenced aspects of his game as strengths, backed by data, that Lin's diminishers do not acknowledge. The strengths that he's highlighted are the ones my own eye test identified and I would later confirm by scraping together various advanced stats or other objective facts. Morey's Quora post on Jeremy Lin is a good example off the top of my head.

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    2. Wait, are you saying the PnR handler gets no credit for points scored by the PnR Man according to Synergy?

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    3. @Nom~ =P

      [if you have the time, there's a link at the end of the "old" thread that might interest you?] :)

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    4. I read that Morey keeps his own advanced stats.

      For example, though this is speculation, imagine a scenario where Jeremy makes a great pass to a rolling Asik for an easy dunk. But Asik hesitates, tries to lay it up and gets fouled -- we've seen it all the time.

      Now if he makes only 1/2 FTs, Synergy may count it as 1 pt-per-possesion. But Morey and his crew will count it as 2pts (since it's not Jeremy's fault Asik couldn't finish).

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    5. Either way, it's comments like that which make me think Jeremy could very well be traded this offseason. Morey seems to talk up players he plans on dealing (TD, Patterson, Morris).

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    6. Morey talks up all his players all the time. There's never any reason not to, whether he's going to remain on the team or is later traded. It's a win/win. This post was made before the season started:

      http://www.quora.com/2012-13-NBA-Season/Why-is-Jeremy-Lin-so-turnover-prone-and-how-can-he-fix-this

      Recently, Morey said Beverley reminded him of Rondo. There are definitely scenarios, maybe even probably scenarios, where Lin gets traded this summer. But he's not going to trade him just because. He's going to trade him if he gets more value than he's giving up.

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    7. Morey's answer was actually from shortly after the season began. It's funny to note how happy he sounds about the Detroit game. Remember that in the Detroit game Lin had plenty of agency. It was within a couple of games that this was ripped away from him and things began to go downhill.

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    8. In statistics, one can't really make any analyses unless one knows exactly what the parameters are.

      We don't know how Morey arrived by his stats, nor do we know how Synergy arrived by theirs. Nor are we fans truly aware of any oversight as to how these stats are collected.

      Let's not forget what happened with Jeff Van Gundy a few years ago at the MIT stats convention that is held every year. When he was coaching his teams, Van Gundy openly admitted to MAKING UP stats off the top of his head to make a point!

      At least box score stats are clearly verifiable.

      Yet even with the "fudge factor" of advanced stats, it doesn't take much to see that Jeremy Lin is a highly efficient player who's doing as much as can be expected given his specific role on the team. It's my belief that whatever improvements Lin makes will come by shifting his role, not his game.

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    9. "Morey talks up all his players all the time."

      Yeah...when he wants to trade them or otherwise has an agenda. Which was quite often this season because of all the trades and moves he made.

      Keep in mind: Morey went weeks, months, this season without praising Jeremy in interviews. Only Les went out of his way (during the All-Star break) to call Jeremy a "great" signing. And then, once the season was over, Morey bust out his special "advanced stats" to say how great he was.

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    10. As KHuang has said before, pretty much everyone in the NBA is tradeable. Right now, only Harden is untouchable. Even with the Rockets' man-crush on Parsons, Chandler would be outta there in a heartbeat if Morey thought he could get a PF like Love or Aldridge.

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    1. Via, I haven't been able to read up on everything here, so i'm probably out of the loop but do we know if Lin is working out with a different group of trainers, now that he's at Stanford?

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    2. k~ LOOKS LIKE JOSH FAN training him? [plays pick up here and there, no other info/ pic about "new" trainers, hard to tell. might simply not be publicizing if there's any change in training.]

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