Wednesday, May 1, 2013

Rockets @ OKC Game #5 Western Conference Playoffs Post Game Thread

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  1. Lets go Lin! Suit up more game 6 and demand to play!!!

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  2. I hope he is 100% for game 6.. I'm really hoping..

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    1. Sure you are, troll. You just said you didn't want him playing this series but now you want him ready for game 6? If you're gonna lie, at least remember your lies.

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  3. This was supposed to be Lin's moment. Instead, we have to hear about Houston's new golden boy, Becerley.

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    1. I don't really believe there's a "moment" for anyone. Look how the media craved for Lin last season and how easily they turned their backs.

      The attention they give to Beverly now will fade just as quickly as they move to their next target.

      Lin has a long career ahead of him. No need to for us to live game by game.

      Besides, Lin made the choice not to play because he's not healed yet. He's a big picture guy and is willing to endure and sacrifice so his team can win.

      Also, if he gets traded to another team that values him more, then all the better.

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    2. My understanding is the trainers took him out of the game and not Jeremy's decision.

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  4. Very happy with Rockets performance (except for Harden reverting to bad habits like trying to play point guard and not creating easy looks for teammates), Omer's free throw shooting, but can also hear what LOH would be saying if he did what Beverley did in fourth quarter:

    Lin got destroyed by Reggie Jackson in fourth quarter and almost single-handledly lost game.

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    1. "can also hear what LOH would be saying IF he did what Beverley did in fourth quarter:"

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    2. Also watching Tyson Chandler in earlier Knicks Celtics game and can easily see, despite Lin's early season poor shooting while recovering from knee surgery, how much more effective he would have been if he had an actual pick AND roll player (in particular someone as mobile as Tyson).

      Right now, pick sets Lin free, and he can accelerate to top speed in 3 steps in be in paint near basket, but he doesn't have that extra bit of athleticism to finish a contested shot like say Monta Ellis.

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  5. This is almost Twilight Zone..... I love it.

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    1. Yeah, you're right. Jeremy Lin now knows how Toney Douglas felt last season when Linsanity struck.

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    2. You must be the dumbest idiot on the Internet, Seanie.

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  6. Celebrating with nutella.. HARDEN AND ASIK offensive beasts.. while great D by everyone.. great game for the forgotten Brooks aswell

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  7. Okay here is my SAD prediction.

    Lin is NOT gonna play on Friday or the rest of the series. This is exactly what I was fearing when Rox won last game and now this game.

    The ROX line up is playing beautifully esp the backcourt. Do u really think McHale trusts Lin enough to put him back in the line up and risk disrupting the current chemistry?

    Not the way McHale has treated him all season.

    It's gonna be extremely infuriating to see Rox come back to win this series in what would be a historical achievement. But at least we'll get to see Lin the next game...


    Okay now I'm depressed..

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    1. Has lin started all the games in regular season? YES!

      He is a starter. Full stop.

      Is he injured? Yes.

      Lets hope he recovers quickly.. because with Lin on the court. Rox will be lethal.

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    2. Yes, but the NBA is a "what have you done for me lately" league.

      Put yourself in McHale's shoes. If he plays Lin in game 6 and the Rockets lose...the BOTH of them will never hear of the end of it during the offseason.

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    3. well if he wasn't complaining before, he sure as heck ain't rocking the boat now.

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    4. If Lin is 100% he will play. Having said that.. I believe if Lin is 100% and does play game 6.. I dont ssee Rox losing that game.

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    5. If the Rockets keep on winning...I don't mind.

      Jeremy needs to heal and this Bev/Brooks backcourt works against a Westbrook-less OKC team...but it won't work against Memphis or LAC.

      If he's fully healthy, he'll start. If he's mostly healthy, he'll come off the bench. If he plays well off the bench, he'll start again. If he struggles, he'll be traded and have an opportunity elsewhere w/o a ball-dominant SG.

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    6. I don see how Lin or McHale care about what fans say anyway. If Lin is 100% healthy, he should play, this is not the time to back-down. It might look bad at the end, but in Lin's case, he has nothing to lose, traded or not.

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    7. Yup.. That is how I feel Red. .. But McHale could really throw a wrench in there by playing Lin and catch then off guard.

      If lin plays, it will be as a third pg on the bench...

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    8. If Bev/AB can equally perform Lin's strength in PnR or getting easy layups+And-1s, I would have valid concern that Lin suddenly becomes redundant.

      But if they have different strength so I think McHale would definitely like to have Lin back because he'll have more weapons.

      So I'm still chill.

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    9. I strongly believe if Lin is healed he will play.

      The question though is if he'll start or end.

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    10. U should hear Barkley commenting on it. He think Lin getting hurt was good for the Rox because brooks can now play. This is a nightmare. Somebody wake me up!

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    11. haha, he does not know what was he talking about.

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    12. Stop it, Charles stopped himself and said it was matchup where Brooks Bev can beat them in the paint anytime they want. The point was Westbrook being out, there is a poor perimeter defense. Charles started with Lin being out, but he corrected himself. The point he was making is Rox can get in, and if you think about it, Lin is one of the fastest in the league to get in the paint.

      The other discussion is small ball - if all of them can hit their perimeter shots, big men in the paint mean nothing. So, this game was won by harden's and garcia's shooting, plus Asik. Lin thought with good 3s % (I recall it's better than Bevs) should be able to help if he can shoot.

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  8. Good luck with the trolls tonight. Peace!

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    1. Eh, on this forum there aren't too many trolls.

      Of course I believe they tend to be secret Lin fans because most of them are more dedicated to posting here than the real fans :)

      There are some trolls that will post here every day! Haha.

      Anyway, trolls simply like to piss people off. The best tactic is definitely to ignore them as they get pleasure from seeing others reply.

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  9. Even if Lin is healthy enough to play in game 6, I think he get little time to play. I heard that Mchale said "It's not fair to let Lin play to the team.. If it's true, Mchale is just hater , how could he say that ? Lin's played all 82 regular games and led Rox to playoffs.

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    1. Dude relax. If lin is 100% he will start. I dont know where all this nonsense is coming from?

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  10. Jeremy Lin is a big boy. This isn't going to be some terrible thing for him and he'll come back stronger than ever next season... whether he plays in the next game or not. So I'm just going to enjoy this ride. Lin ain't weak.

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    1. I'll be supporting him, always.

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    2. Exactly. I mean, what he had to face just coming INTO the league is a hundred times worse than this.

      These events will just make him stronger.

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  11. Obviously, it would be great to have Jeremy out there, but every game the Rockets win gives him another chance to come back and play.

    If Jeremy is healthy enough, he'll be ready to beast or at least contribute off the bench. Everyone on the team was garbage for Game 1, J-Lin played well in Game 2 until the injury and then Game 3 was a wasted game b/c of injury (no one else played well either in the first half).

    So yeah...go Rockets. Let's see if Jeremy dresses on Friday...every day with full rest makes a big difference

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    1. True that bro.. please Ksmith and TVN take note from this guy.. he knows what he is talking about..

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  12. Also, while Beverly had a solid game tonight it wasn't anything ground breaking.

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    1. Give credit where its due.. stop being the half empty guy!

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    2. I was questioning whether you were a troll or not, but now I'm pretty convinced you are. I did give him credit: I said he had a solid game. It was not, though, ground breaking or spectacular. Just solid which is a lot in a playoff game with so much meaning.

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    3. Beverly was a foul machine and a chucker, Brooks was clearly the better PG.

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    4. Why does your comment sound negative,, because it had a negative undertone.. "it wasn't anything groundbreaking" what is your point here? I want Rox to do well and Bev played a good game as did everyone. I dont get why we have to be so negative here? Aren't we all supporting what Lin's supporting?

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    5. My point is for people not to overreact and think for a moment that from this day forward Beverly will start over Lin.

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    6. I've had enough of this Sean Leoghton clown. GET RID OF HIM!!!!!

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    7. I firmly believe Lin will start if he's healthy to play game 6.

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    8. Who is thinking that? is Allen going to start over d-wade? is Is Anderson going to start over Harden? Beverly is our Backup PG and he played well tonight.

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    9. MCHales already said is a benchwarmer the rest of the series, you dolts. Look it up.

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    10. Well his injured atm technically he is at a healing process. If that takes the whole series so be it! I still have faith in Rox beating the Thunder!!!

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  13. Lin tried to play in Game 3, and it made his injury worse, and it's now taking longer to heal than if he just sat out Game 3. He should not make the same mistake again, if it hurts to shoot, dribble, or pass the ball ... he should rest.

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    1. I'm on the same page as you brother! We need our boy to heal not worsen his injury.

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    2. Yes, Lin should only come back when he's 100% in Game 7 or the 2nd round.

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    3. Kevin Durant made the injury worse.

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  14. The Rox won because of their 40% 3PT shooting.

    It does not mean that they can't use a healthy Lin in Game 6 or 7 or the 2nd round.

    Did you see Bev and AB do what Lin did consistently in the regular season?
    I don't see them driving to the basket and getting easy layups. Plus and-1s.
    I don't see them feeding Asik and Greg Smith consistently for easy dunks, or Parsons for well-timed threes.

    So stay calm, Lin fans. McHale wants those things from a healthy Lin.
    Let's just hope and pray for a healthy Lin in Game 6 or Game 7.

    Hakuna Matata!

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    1. I'm with you, psalm234. If LIn's healthy to play game6, he will start. I have 100% confidence about it!

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    2. A few guys in here have some sense and your one of them. But I was impressed with AB's aggressiveness. Lets hope Lin heals quick.

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    3. Psalm I like your attitude. Hakuna Matata indeed! You summed up Lin's beautiful game. AB and Bev don't do what Lin does. Hope to see him to it just one more game before the season ends!

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    4. yes livyr, let's keep the faith!

      Sean, AB made some nice shooting and assists to Smith and Asik.
      His defense was not exploited by Fisher too much so that's good.

      Bev had good offensive rebounds and timely 3PT shooting after being booed by OKC fans. Gotta respect him being fearless.

      Parsons definitely missed Lin's timely assists out there.

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    5. For AB to sit all through the season and then come in and do what he did, you have to give him credit. Yeah, he made some mistakes, but he played with confidence. It was funny to see that OKC was choking.

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    6. There you go, Rose :)

      No worries. Lin is not replaceable.
      Lin will get psyched up and come back strong in Game 6 or 7!

      If not, he'll rise up next year in HOU or somewhere else.
      There's no stopping Lin!

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    7. Good point .. AB was staying ready. He had a lot iof DNP's since he signed with the Rox but he never complained and bud his time. Kudos to him.

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    8. Lin IS replaceable. Especially as a spot up shooter role they have him playing.

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    9. Bev and AB can't replace Lin's court vision and quickness to attack the basket but they can offer other strength (Bev's offensive rebounding and AB's aggressiveness).

      Kudos for them that they showed up tonight but they don't do what Lin does so that's way Lin is not sitting on the bench if he's healthy.

      Just check out the boxscore. Bev got only 1 assist in 39 min (but 8 rebounds) and AB got 3 assists in 17 min.

      Don't fear that McHale will let Lin rot on the bench if he's 100%.

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    10. Seriously, everyone but Lebron and CP3 is replaceable. I'm not sure KD is anymore after this performance -- his bad attitude and selfish Hero Ball is really shocking. I'd definitely take Dwight over him (for all his issues, Dwight is still elite on D and rebounding and PnR finishing).

      Lin to the Pacers for George Hill makes so much sense for both teams...I wish Morey would get that done. Oh well.

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  15. Darnell Mayberry ‏@DarnellMayberry
    Kevin McHale spots Russell Westbrook walking down the hall on crutches, stops him and says he's sorry about what happened. Wishes him well.

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  16. Royce Young ‏@dailythunder
    Brooks on sticking with Hack-a-Asik: "If we hit maybe one more shot, we would've gotten out of it."

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    1. KD on Asik~

      KD: "Then on the Hack-a-uh, uh, whatever his name is."

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  17. Everybody was celebrating Parsons and booing Harden last game. This game, Parsons shot only 4 for 12 but Harden shot 10 for 16. People are now cheering Harden and forgetting Parsons. Popular opinion changes really fast. It looks like people have good games and bad games. The same is for Brooks and Beverley. Let's have a good attitude.

    Martin shot 1/10 and Fischer 2/6. They did better last game. I doubt they'll be this bad consistently.

    I hope Lin can play next game and that he can play well. Believers in God/prayer can pray for him to keep his mindset on playing for God, playing competitively and well, and playing to have fun.

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    1. You are right with all other NBA players, the above applies, except Lin. He has good games and bad like everyone else, sadly many (including Rox coaches) focus on his bad games.

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    2. Harden definitely made up for the last game with his performance tonight. Garcia was huge too, he provided what Delfino usually does, AND a little more.

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    3. Lin is definitely more scrutinized, but not so much so that his image doesn't change.

      Sports are mainly made up of fair weather fans and the media knows how to pander to them.

      So while some players are judged game by game, Lin is judged 2 games by 2 games.

      He'll be fine as he has a long career ahead of him and he'll achieve amazing things.

      We just need to be there to witness it :)

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    4. aymoon: Good post! Regression to the mean. McHale is going to have to plan out another surprise. You have to keep them guessing and if you have a disruption in their team spirit, you have to drive through the opening. So, for all those who think McHale will not play Lin if he's healthy, that's just not bbiq. If Lin can shoot and can stretch for a contested layup, run without pain, he will be a disruption for OKC and he will be used.

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    5. The Rox is playing with confidence today.
      Guys like Garcia and Delfino are the team's heart and core.
      Their character and their strength!
      Last game, Delfino had shown to all rockets that you could beat OKC.
      The dunk really wakes up the Rox.
      Today, they just play tough and whap the Thunder on their home court.
      It doesn't look like a champion contender at all.
      Thunder w/o WB is just another team.
      The Rox is having fun now playing like a team.
      The 6th game is going to be awesome.

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  18. I don't think Mcgail not at least take Lin off the bench and let him in in little spurts and make plays, as solid as BEV has been, I think he only had one assist and brooks had 3. Just don't see him not playing at all! From the bench is done with me!

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    1. This Rockets team doesn't need a true PG because of James Harden's ball domination. Beverley and Brooks are role players, but that's all they need out of them.

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  19. If KM made 4 out of 11, or Harden made 3 out of 8 three pointers instead of 7 out of 8, that's the game right there. Basically, Rockets were hitting long jumpers, while OKC missed lots of open jumpers. If Mac was smart, realizing this, he should start Lin if Lin is healthy. But if Lin is not healthy enough, Lin should not play. Having said this, if Lin comes back and plays poorly and Rockets lose, Lin is going to get the blame. However, you can't fear the criticism.

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    1. Exactly my sentiment. Live by the 3, die by the 3!

      Harden was red hot tonight, parsons was hot last game. OKC is playing harden centric ISO. Without westbrook to penetrate, Durant is a single option offense...take a lesson Mchale and look across the floor at how the super star Durant can't be the star without the master of chaos, Westbrook. Morey and Mchale keeps looking for another star but keeps Lin, their own master of chaos in a cage. Harden and Lin can be as good as Westbrook and Durant, but this idiot of a coach and gm wants to win only on their own terms. They are acting like a new lion killing off the young of the past or a new CEO cleaning house to bring in his own yes men. They are not out to use the talent on the floor, they are only interested in using the talents that furthers their own self interest. The Rox have the chips in place to become the best in the west now, they just refuse rouse it.

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  20. Royce Young ‏@dailythunder
    Patrick Beverley with a #podiumgame. He's coming in with James Harden.

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    1. Morley be smiling doe.

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    2. Wow, Barclay just said that Rox are winning but JLIn is injured and Bev and Brooks can penetrate and score anytime they want! Is Barclay high?

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    3. No, he is right! But he's not knocking Lin. He's saying Bev and Brooks can penetrate. After all this time, do you think Lin cannot penetrate? His point was, with WB out, it messed up the perimeter defense. If you watch Coach Nick, he makes fun of WB's defense. So, anyway, I don't think if you look at the facts, Charles is knocking Lin. He's trying to sound smart by saying WB being out let's Rox in anytime they want, because the later discussion by everyone was about small ballers hitting 3s, so they need to sit OKC bigs and play small to counter. In any case, Lin if healthy has proven he can penetrate. Only thing is, I don't think his 3 will be great first game back, given chest injury.

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  21. Barkley basically just said jlin hurt make Bev and Aaron took quick for the OKC guards and dissing our boy again, clown, go eat more donut or weight watcher idiot!

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    1. No he didn't say that ... watch it again. He said it wrong and corrected himself. He's making a wrong point if you believe Coach Nick on WB perimeter D. Barkley is saying with WB out, Bev and AB can go in any time they want. He started by saying with Lin out ... but he corrected himself and said with WB out, and then made his point. If you believe Coach Nick, WB is not a good defender, and a liability.

      I believe Coach Nick, and that's why OKC won easily game 3. But, without WB, Durant is not able to drive the offense alone against this small ball team, simply because he's not used to it. OKC might adjust, or they might not. That's why I think McHale and staff need to keep changing it up.

      I liked what McHale said in the 4th Q huddle ... defend, rebound, and go. He said it 3 times. They did it. Only thing they didn't do was Bev bricks when OKC came off Hack-a-Asik, and without Cisco's 3 dagger, it was looking risky. That to me was the winning moment that shut OKC down.

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    2. Cisco Garcia is the X factor.
      He is there offensively and defensively.
      He's worth every million that he got.
      He is the Rox's six million dollar man. Without him, the Rox can't even come close.
      The Rox team is blessed. That trade to get Garcia..Who could have guessed?
      Talking about leadership. This is it.

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  22. Is lin trying to get on a new team? I'm actually hoping hes faking this so he can get his mojo back on a new team. Otherwise I am just speechless. I have never heard of a basketball chest injury like this in all my life and to carry over for 7 days no less. harden going with a flu and guys around the league way more banged up playing through it, team is fighting to stay alive and make history and lin with an already questionable rep out with a sore chest. there is no way he can be this oblivious without reason.

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    1. Come on! He got hit HARD on the right side of his chest and can't raise his right arm without pain. You see his face when he tries shooting and when Durant hit him. Maybe Lin should start shooting with his left hand?!?

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    2. Haters got weird logic, they think Lin plays means team loses, but they still want him play?

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    3. I know you care about Lin a lot because you're here posting every day!

      Don't worry though, Lin will succeed.

      But more importantly I hope you find some happiness in your own personal life. It's not healthy for you to be so obsessed over a guy.

      Don't spend sleepless nights thinking what Lin is going to do next ok?

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    4. come on, how many games Parsons missed after he got kicked by TJ during practice? That's in practice, not full speed game, and by his own teammates. He sat out 4 games straight. Jeremy should not play in that game 3, and I don't see McHale play him in game 6, Jeremy should sit out and make sure he recover. Hope Rockets go to next series, and Jeremy can play then.

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  23. Bev a podium game? Well it because of what happened with Westbrook. But still...

    I'm really depressed guys.. Could someone cheer me up before I go psycho again?

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    1. Don think too much. AB and PB look good because OKC got a way weaker back court. Lin will shine next season, you will buy your LP, future is bright :P.

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    2. Think of it this way.

      Sports is about meritocracy
      Bev DESERVES the praise he is getting. He is playing well. He was underdog like Lin was in the past. He was undrafted played in Russia and now here he is.

      I know you are a big fan of Lin and I am as well, but try to be happy for him.

      Think of the reverse situation of how Douglas felt on the Knicks. His starting spot was taken. How did Douglas fans and Douglas himself feel about that?

      Lin made it in the NBA. That is a huge accomplishment. He has not made an impact in the playoffs but that can happen later.

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    3. Just think of this as Part 2 of the Lin trilogy. The part where the hero has to suffer to become stronger :)

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    4. GSW won 3 games in a row once David Lee went out, are they better without their all star or are they gonna trade him in the offseason as well?

      If the management evaluate players based on a few games and the "what have you done for me" mentality fans usually have, they are a failure management and are not worth playing for, period.

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    5. Douglas has fans? I had no clue.

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    6. Cara, you are right, however, David Lee has a completely different status than what Lin has in a team. :P Who knows

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    7. I meant "what have you done for me LATELY".

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    8. @Carla,

      Lee isn't scorned among GSW's fan like Lin is in Houston. Lee also is not hated by his head coach like Lin is.

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    9. TVN, everyone has fans. His classmates at the university he went to? His childhood friends,parents, cousins etc etc.

      The point is, once you wish other people to do poorly when they worked honestly and hard at something is a bad mindset to have. Bev worked hard at his game.

      Jlin did too of course, they both have. Is rooting for other people to not succeed a healthy mentally? (provided they genuinely worked hard at it).

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    10. In the NBA, very few does not work Hard, only a guy in 76ers is in my mind right now. haha.

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    11. You guys might not know this. There is actually a lot of talk among GSW fans and media how they are better off trading David Lee. NY fans also didn't want Amare to come back in fear of "ruining the chemistry" when they got the #2 seed and went 3-0 over Boston. Similar talk happened when Boston went on a winning streak immediately after Rondo went out and when the Lakers won 2 when Kobe was out. Of course those talk were quiet now when they were losing.

      In short, sports fans and the media are fickle and not the kind of voice worth listening to. And if the management is also fickle like that (unlikely though), Lin will get traded elsewhere and get to shine elsewhere and make the Rockets regret like last time. And isn't that what a lot of people here are wishing for?

      Win win situation!

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    12. Brent,

      Of course. It's just that in previous posts I read here people were ROOTING for the rockets to lose. They also wanted BEV to play poorly.

      People were angry at Durant and OKC for playing bad in some stretches in game 4. They do so because it would somehow inherently mean that the team NEEDS Lin.

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    13. Cara,

      Why would that be a win win situation? Morey was the one who at least tried to get him the first time when GSW cut him.

      He obviously liked him enough to offer him a 25$ mil contract.
      All of that counts for nothing now?

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    14. Jlin fan, haha I understand, I myself like to see Rox win but I have to admit, I am a Lin only fan.

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    15. Brent,

      haha I am too. If it was up to me Jlin would play 48 min per game!

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    16. Nothing has changed since the regular season: the Rox offense still has no flow without Lin, and Harden shows that he is an inferior playmaker. Dribble dribble, pass to teammate on wing. There is still too much 1-on-1 ball out there. Rox were not really doing a great job closing the game; it was simply that OKC's offense was even worse in the final quarter. Durant did not hit a single shot in the entire 4th quarter. He missed 5 times and turned it over twice in the 4th quarter.

      Another thing that hasn't changed and has actually gotten worse: the Rox wing defenders (Bev, Brooks) collapse without adding anything to paint defense, and give up easy 3s. And Harden doesn't even bother with his perimeter man, and just gives up open looks. The DIFFERENCE tonight was that OKC simply could not hit their 3s. They were 24% tonight from 3 -- that right there is a big part of the ball game, and has little to do with who is playing PG for Rox. Rox shot 40% from 3 tonight.

      With Lin out there, the offense would have looked much better. I don't expect him back this series though. He's seriously impaired.

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    17. This is a good thread and thanks Solidz for asking for the cheerup and all the varied responses.

      Solidz, I'd say breath deep and say ommmmm .... Bev playing well is a great thing because Rox are still in it. It's still very hard - they need 2 more wins, and they will be back on Loud City one more time. Every advantage has to be played, and Harden cannot have a bad game.

      As to TD fans ... as far as I saw, Lin is one. And I bet Lin is happy for Bev. They had a good small ball start, and Lin was doing well before he got hit by Sef. I bet Sef leaned in a bit hard seeing the contact, as it's a free shot. Going for a loose ball is never that hard a contact if you are facing the guy you are hitting, because it's obvious you are going not going to get the loose ball. Lin did not see Sef, so he could not slow down. Sef could see Lin and now he wasn't going to get it, so he put his shoulder down. So, that's it. WB for Lin. Karma.

      Cheer up, Solidz, nothing is happening unjustly. This is sport, much better than team politics. When Lin is better, and he gets on the court, we can then go back to the team drama. But you can be sure McHale will need tools to keep changing up the equations so there's a chance to keep OKC off balance, where they go desperate like the hack-a-thon.

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    18. OKC really blew it tonight. I don't think Brooks' hack-Asik strategy was so bad. Brooks did do it too many times, but it bought OKC a lot of time to stage a comeback -- it's simply that their offense failed.

      Let's be honest now: the Rox offense in the end game did not look good, and they did not strong momentum. Game was very winnable for OKC, they just sucked.

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    19. I don't know if it feels any better but I had to let the moment and reality sink in there.

      But Gosh darn it.. Props to Cara for a great analogy. U r right. Other stars must be feeling the same way (amare and lee) - and whether they are truly needed in their respective teams.

      Unlike last game, I'm really not mad at anyone. I guess it's sinking in. Well, lets see if Rox can make history... At least, I'm proud of my man, Asik tonight. Doesn't talk much but he's got some fire in him. Love how he calmly sank those free throws in pressure moments. Didn't he miss free throws last year to lose the bulls playoff game? Kudos to him. If any one should be pissed, it's him because the Rox have made no secret about going after d12. Imagine him having to play with that thought.

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  24. "Defense and rebounding. Defense and rebounding. Defense and rebounding." -Kevin Mchale

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  25. The biggest move in the series... besides Beverly taking out Westy... is the insertion of Garcia into the starting line up. That's the biggest adjustment. I've always thought that the best Rocket line up is Asik at 5, Parsons at the 4, Haren (no D) at the 3, Delfino at the 2, and Lin at the 1. Sub in Beverly, Garcia, and sub one big...

    The Rockets have spread the floor and they are knocking it down. They are quicker than OKC as OKC currently stands. Jeremy would be killing this group on penetration (Can you say spin move, D Fish?). Did Beverly even penetrate tonight? (Charles talking about Bev's penetration -- but I only caught second half).

    The Rockets SHOULD win this series. They have better quickness, talent, shooting.

    Only way they don't... Durant goes for 50 in one of these final games or Harden goes back to normal 5-24/NO D. or combo of both.

    Free JLIN!

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    1. PB did couple of those, but missed his layups. Overall he played well

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    2. 10/10, I think Charles was talking theory, because Shaq made a great point about Durant signaling the end of the game (which I didn't catch so if anyone saw that, pls retell that point). So, Charles was talking out of his booty to try to make something up, and it was good theory but not true. Bev didn't do great, Brooks did well, and anyway, I saw a few key bricks down the stretch after the hack-a-thon and only when Cisco nailed his 3 dagger was the game iced.

      The convo got good when they started talking about what you say - spread the floor with quick small ball.

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    3. PB and ABrooks played well but they were not making key plays.
      Today OKC is at its worst!
      They were hitting a shooting slump like the Rox in the first two games.
      The key is Harden being a SG and not hogging the ball in the final minutes.
      Garcia got to make a 3 pointer and that was sweet.

      The Rox was leading all the way. Rox only lost the 4th quarter. by a little.
      Third quarter the Rox came out roaring. OKC came back from a 15 points deficit.

      Asik won the game for the Rox the rest of the way

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  26. Everything happens for a reason. I hope this pushes the Rockets to trade Lin to a team that wants a point guard. The Rockets can win fine without Lin, he was never a fit for this team and this coach. McHale has been trying all season long to show that Lin is a non-factor and finally he's got his wish. FREE LIN!!!

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    1. Yes... this could be exactly what McHale needs to state his case. But we all know that the only time Houston beat OKC this year, JLIN went for 28 against a healthy WESTY. The group the rockets have on the floor right now can't beat a healthy WESTY.

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    2. Lol the Rockets only won 2 games without Lin. And at the same time those were also against a OKC team without Westbrook. That's not what I would call "winning fine".

      It might only suggest right now Lin does not have as much impact on the Rockets than Westbrook on the Thunder. But big deal for that when Westbrook has a much bigger on his team than Lin.

      Unless the Rockets can prove that they win as much without Lin for a whole season. Until then, I would not call it "winning fine".

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    3. Cara, you are right on point! 100% agree.

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    4. Cara is on fire tonight. Forget Swing. I'm now A COH!

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  27. In fact, it was mistake by Mchale to start both Bev and Lin in the 3rd game. He didn't need to because Westy was out. Had he started another shooter rather than Beverly... this series might be 3-2 the other way...

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    1. I think that lineup worked fine, they just did not sustained it. The lost was because Lin can not play the second half.

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    2. Disagree. the key is the other shooter. Beverly and LIN are redundant and not good enough shooters. The offense is better now. Garcia is better at catch and shoot than beverly or lin. AND, he can guard Durant a little.

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    3. Garcia did not shoot like past 2 games in game 3. It is not who shoot better problem, it is how the offensive flow runs. Shots will come eventually.

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    4. That been said, Lin was injured, so....

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    5. The offense works BEST with Parsons, Harden, and ONE KNOCK DOWN SHOOTER with either Beverly or LIN on the floor not both... mainly because Beverly gets to run point and JLIN goes off the ball(which is a joke.)

      Free JLIN.

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    6. Lin can be a good SG as well, there was nothing wrong having them both manning the back court. But this will depends on your opponents. it is all about match-up. Our small ball line up is more effective then OKC's small ball line up.

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    7. I'm actually more excited now than before. If the Rockets really feel they can do better without Lin then it really might compel them to trade him.

      And yes, there are a lot of teams that would want him. Just because the fair weather fans and talking media heads have turned on him, you can tell the actual professionals see his value.

      The question though is which team has the right pieces to get him and also work with him.

      Either way, this season is far from over and Lin has a long, great career ahead of him.

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    8. I doubt there are teams wants Lin. maybe their 2nd or 3rd trade options, but never the 1st.

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    9. It's really a team effort. Off nights for everyone, on-nights for everyone.

      But yeah, Garcia's been the biggest turnaround factor so far. His defense and cold-blooded 3pt shooting have been HUGE.

      Even though Durant's getting his points, Garcia (more than anyone else) is getting in his face, denying him the ball, and forcing him into Hero Ball (which cools off KD's teammates).

      Also, Martin's choke-job is the 2nd biggest reason. K-Mart is missing WIDE-OPEN treys all night, every night since Game 1.

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    10. Well, there's no point in arguing this issue since neither of us know for sure.

      But in my opinion, there are a lot of teams that would love Lin as their first option.

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    11. If that is the case, Lin's future is more bright!

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  28. Interesting comment about Lin's game 2 performance when he was matched up against Westbrook:


    Originally Posted by thesonofsam

    Fine. Throw out game 3. Guy was PURE TRASH in the first 2 games. I don't hate Lin. I just think Bev and AB are playing better. I don't want their minutes taken away because this guy sells jerseys overseas.



    Ok, come now again, game 2 he was shooting 50% efg, and on pace for 14/8/6/4steals, and had a plus/minus of 0, and this was against Westbrook, one of the top ball defenders at the PG position (per synergy).

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=237918&page=25

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    1. I am not objective I think, but neither are them, they just made the claim without realizing the facts.

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    2. Very good points. The fact is that Lin will shut up the haters with his play. There's no need for us to try and convince them to change their minds because they've already made it up.

      Lin, himself, will silence them :)

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    3. You can't reason with idiots. And idiots comprise the majority of NBA fans.

      When it comes to Houston fans, you have to remember that half of them think that Obama is a secret Muslim terrorist and that 9/11 was an inside job and that guns should be allowed in schools to prevent violence.

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    4. The hate against Lin is strong. I can't blame them, though. He needs to shut them up, but with LOH McHale running the team, he won't get that chance.

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    5. I don't understand you guys. You hate that site but you keep coming back there for more.

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    6. @Cara

      Hahaha, right? I avoid that site as well. It's like going to a KKK site and then being angry that they talk about about people of color.

      Duh, of course they do!

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    7. Also it's funny that how somehow Beverley and Brooks are heroes now and their minutes cannot be taken away. Good luck with them if those "fans" truely believe that those two guys could lead the Rockets to anywhere.

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  29. Lin is done.

    He didn't even look that bad during the shootaround clip, he is good enough to play.

    Call it conspiracy theory, he is taking a backseat to Brooks and PB. His stock is near where he first started.

    Yes he's had an ok year. But so far:

    1. hesitant/confused performance game 1
    2. injured game 2
    3. missed half of game 3
    4. MIA game 4
    5. MIA game 5

    Lin is an afterthought right now. They will continue with this lineup. Think about it, if you were Rox coach, and:

    1. You have a starter who was injured re-joining the lineup who may have atrofeeded a bit regardless if he is 100% healthy and may not mesh well with the current lineup
    2. A lineup that sort of worked for 2 games

    What would you use? Put your bias aside and think for a moment, Lin is not going to get time.

    I'd be surprised even if he plays he'd get more than 10 token minutes. At the first sign of a mismatch or bad performance he is going to sit.

    This is it for Lin this season. I am a fan but at this point I don't expect much of a showing at all. If he plays I know he probably won't do well, be it physical or mental reason, and even then he'll be limited by coaching.

    Down goes his stock.

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    1. If he plays, don't be surprised if he comes off the bench.

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    2. Uh...okay.

      He'll do fine if healthy. If not healthy, then he won't play or will come off the bench. Which is fine for this series because there's no Westbrook to worry about.

      Chill out, guys. Even if people's absolute worst fears are confirmed...he gets traded to a team that needs a PG and it's better situation for him anyhow (w/o a ballhog SG).

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    3. Sigh... maybe being pessimistic will help you cope better and I know you're somewhat of a fan, but reading your previous posts you tend to have a glass-is-half-empty view of things.

      Anyway, all I can say is to be prepared to be surprised then :)

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    4. well, think positive. Without WB, OKC seems a team that Rocket could win. And Beverley and Brooks works okay with the match up, as you said, there is really no need for Jeremy to come back, even his is recovered (most likely he is not), he might be rusty and also there is mental consideration, he will be on even shorter leash there.

      As Jeremy always say, "god has a perfect plan", though it does not seam ideal now, I don't want Lin to push for things with out too much benefit. If he is not 100% healthy, he would not benefit too much in terms of gaining experience anyway.

      I really hope Rox could win this series, it really looks like there is hope. Then after a week, Jeremy would recover better, and hopefully he will bring it in a brand new series.

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    5. Exactly how many times have people around here proclaimed that "Lin is done", yet he's never done even after going undrafted and being cut 2 times?

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    6. @Cara

      You've made some really good points here.

      There are a ton of people throughout this year that have said, "Lin is done..." and yet he keeps proving them wrong.

      In a way, it's not about what Lin can achieve but it's about themselves. They are scared and perhaps faced a lot of adversity themselves. So they have a pessimistic worldview because it's helped them cope in the past.

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    7. Sigh.

      I should have said:

      "Lin is done this season"

      Read the whole post.

      I know what Lin can do, but I am not expecting much out of this playoff series. If my some miracle they beat out OKC and enter round 2, maybe.

      But at this point if he can't even put his shirt on, regardless of how fast he is at penetrating he'll be largely useless even if he got healthy...If its as bad as it sounds I doubt he'll have his full range of motion back without another week of rest.

      And I don't have a glass is half empty view. When everyone here was bashing on his shooting, I was one of the few along with KHuang that said he was fine, and will continue to improve, and will be raining Lins. So please don't quote me off of a few posts after a long season full of bullshit.

      I'm a bit jaded, and this has nothing to do with Lin, but everything to do with this moronic team called Rockets.

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    8. Sorry y'all I'm in a pissy mood. Rockets win and Lin didn't play, don't know how much more of this I can take.

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  30. There is a special reason why the rockets win,because jlin will comeback and will not end his season in injury list.compare jlin to beverly or brooks it does not matter.play him off from the bench that does not matter.as long as jlin will play his best every game thats more important.with jlin relationship towards God he can indure this.and us for fans let be with him no matter what.there are lot of haters there but with the love and support of his family,friends and specially fans we can over power them. Houston will win this series.....Lets stay together houston fans... :-)

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    1. Houston fans? Most people here rather see lin get minutes and stats than see the rockets do well. Theres no houston fans here.

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    2. What's wrong with that when this is a JEREMY LIN FANSITE, not a Houston Rockets fansite?

      Are you sure that you did not go to the wrong place, the above guy, whatever you name is?

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    3. Gee i dont know maybe saying "lets stay together houston fans" when there are none here? Is reading comprehension really that hard?

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  31. Via ESPN
    J.Lin will be out game 7 with a bruised right boobie.

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    1. 31f0d044-297a-11e2-acaf-000bcdcb2996, you are funny.

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    2. I'm just the messenger. Also out game 6 with a bruised uterus.

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    3. I'm so sorry that your life is bad enough that you feel compelled to check this site every day just to post things about someone you don't like.

      I really hope things get better for you man!

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    4. Check this site everyday? Hahahaha..... HAHAHAHA. And no need to apologize my life is actually very nice. However i do appreciate the concern. It makes my heart feel tingly and warm and sometimes even fuzzy.

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    5. Come on, 31f0d044-297a-11e2-acaf-000bcdcb2996!

      We don't go to Justin Bieber fansites to troll *your* hero!

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    6. Zxcvb
      Come on now at least make a fair comparison. Justin beiber would have had triple doubles all series and houston wouldve swept OKC. At least be fair to JLin and compare him to someone on par like...selena gomez.

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    7. So if your life is so good then why do you come here to post about someone you don't like?

      Why does your life revolve around Lin so much that you need to come here at all?

      I understand it's hard to recognize depression, but I hope one day you can be strong enough to move on. Best wishes!

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    8. Today is the first day ive posted here, but i guess that translate to coming here everyday lololol. My life doesn't revolve around lin just revolves around trolling the incompetent first time Nba watchers like yourself. It's definitely dirty work but someone has to do it.

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    9. That was funny.. Creative too. Keep it up.

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    10. Houston is famous for serial killers, psychological profile of which is on welfare, poor education and mentally impaired. Unnervingly similar characteristics to trollers who can barely compose a multi sentence and without proper punctuation, but exhibiting simplistic ideas bereft of back-able arguments.

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    11. Woah, hey, no need to be defensive. Well I hope you stick around then because it seems like being obsessed with Lin and posting on this site makes you feel better about your life. Take care!

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  32. The way I see it, this Rockets team is showing a lot of character and if they pull off this upset (even though Westbrook went down; sorry to see that happen), this could be the start of something special in Houston. And I think Jeremy would want to be in on this. He has said that he likes being in Houston and that it is a good place for him. So, whatever Jeremy wants, I want. Will there be bumps along the way? Of course. Such is life. But the grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence. Besides, moving from place to place and team to team can be pretty disruptive. I hope Jeremy stays at Houston and develops his game because Houston can be a contender, and Jeremy will be right in the mix. To Linfinity and beyond!

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    1. They're definitely growing together as a team. Learning to trust each other and play with confidence...it's great to watch. Harden may have been too embarrassed to admit he over-ISOed last game, but he was playing much more unselfishly tonight.

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    2. exactly what I thought, couldn't say better, nice post

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    1. Thanks, like the assistant coach Lin.

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    2. Asik looks happy.. Never see that guy smile. Good to see.

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  34. With those stylish glasses... J.Lin could easily be a member of far east movement.

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  35. At this time, I would only hope Rox keep winning and really break the record and win the series. That way they will keep the Rox alive in the play off, and Jeremy would have a chance to go to second round.

    At this stage, what Jeremy need is not to prove other people wrong, or satisfy his fans with nice stats even when he is injured. What he need is stay healthy, and gain experience, and grow. He shouldn't even worry about gain trust from his coach, he really need to think is what is the best for his career, and what is the best for his game.

    yeah, it looks like Jeremy is not needed now, Beverley fit with James well. However, that is against WB less OKC, and Rocket got a nice match up now with Garcia limiting KD. So what, Jeremy is not playing only for this season, he would have a long career.

    What I'm happy about is that James' ISO ball was called out last game, and he would improve in that area. Jeremy would only benefit from there. I still like Rox team, and I think Jeremy would fit in well and I don't want him traded.

    Haters will always be there, does not matter where he go. I remember when he was in Knicks, and every one would say it would be good for Jeremy to leave, exactly the same talk as now.

    Well, if you have to you have to, but, if you don't have to, why push it. I think if Jeremy could not survive Rocket, he would encounter the same problem in another team, just come from different people. I think Jeremy could work it out in Rocket, and he should work it out in Rocket.

    Now I'm rooting for Rox to win game7, and Jeremy fully recover for second round.

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  36. Ok, took another nap instead of watching the game. I like what some posters are saying about Lin. He always surprises us just when we think things are going bad for him. That is because he is probably one of the most mentally tough athletes out there. He has overcome adversity since he was a kid during every game, every season and made it to the NBA.

    I think this is a very tough situation. Yes, he has been marginalized and used incorrectly again this season. But now it is clear he is not healthy and this is a tough decision for the coach to start him ahead of two healthy guys playing well. I hate to say it, but not sure what I would do (and I am a huge Lin homer).

    Hoping Lin comes back or they extend this series. Either way, the kid has a very very bright future either in Houston or somewhere else. Great talent will always get offers and opportunity (yes, he has to be twice as good as others) but there are many other teams that would like him after a solid season.

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  37. You guys might want to check out James Harden's stats of all people in last year's nba finals.

    Conclusion: one bad series and one bad matchup did not define a career.

    You guys need to have more confidence in Lin, being Lin fans if you guys really are.

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    1. You might also check out Paul George's playoffs stats before this year. It's very difficult to be a role player, a young one as well and 3rd/4th option to put up good stats.

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    1. Did Parsons do a drive by buttock pinch or something?

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    2. That's pretty funny and slightly uncomfortable to watch :D

      Thanks, via!

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    3. Jeremy's confident, and secure unlike some of us lol. That look by Parson's was gold.

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    4. Jeremy doesn't even look like he is at all concerned bout his job security.

      With that few thoughts come to mind:
      1. He knows he's better than either of them, so does not feel threatened at all

      2. He has behind the scenes reassurances that his job is not in jeopardy in any way.

      3. He is just trying to act like a great teammate but dying inside.

      4. He is really naive and doesn't realize he may never start again.

      Can Lin be that stupid?

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    5. #1 and 3.

      Solidz, you should know by now how astute a guy he is.

      Don't get too depressed...Things have a way of resolving itself. Or at least let's hope so, since we're somewhat helpless as mere spectators. Don't get too stressed. :)

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    6. Argh via. This nightmare of a season just continues though.

      Next season can't come enough. I have to say, it's more agonizing to root for a player than a team.

      Being Lin fan is so haaard.

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    7. Yeah, his journey is more difficult than most, all the lack of support, people hoping to see him fail, the pressures of uber-high expectations, the double-standards...[Lin fans gotta be tough too.]

      Hang in there. :)

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    8. @Solidz75

      I think it's hard only if you make it hard. I know a lot of us root for him and wish him the best, and that's why when we see him struggle we might take it personally.

      But we really need to just sit back and let events play out for themselves :)

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  39. Did Parsons do a drive by buttock pinch or something?

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  40. There was a tweet from Feigen that Jeremy needed assistance in putting his shirt on. If that is true, then Jeremy should just sit out this series. If you need help putting on your shirt, then you have no business being on the court. All it takes is another strong elbow to his chest to make the injury 10x worse. I just want him to heal and play in the second round. I truly believe Rox can win this round.

    After watching tonight's game, I felt Brooks>Beverley. Beverley just dribbled the ball up the court and passed it to another player. He didn't create any plays and his assistance number was low. However, he is a pesky defender.

    For those people who think Jeremy will be traded this summer....it's not going to happen. Rockets playing Pacers in Taiwan without Jeremy, imagine that scenario. The team better hire extra security.

    Let the haters hate because I believe with all my heart that Jeremy will return stronger and better. He knows what is expected of him being on this team and will train accordingly.

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  41. [I'll just put it here for if people might want to check it out later]

    TOUGH ENOUGH: ASIAN AMERICAN COLLEGE ATHLETES

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  42. I wanna give a biig shout out to Carat. Damn girl, u is mighty fine, making a lot of sense tonight. On point....

    But I'm sure u will bash others for no reason again, but for tonight, I'm the biggest COF.

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