Lin says x-rays negative. Will continue treatment in days to come. Says as long as spasms stop he should be good for game 3.
— Jason Friedman (@JasonCFriedman) April 25, 2013
Hits are a part of NBA playoff basketball. Eventually Lin will learn how to shield himself from them. This is where Lin having an retired ex player as a mentor could help. Lin was doing well until the hit.
Did u see it?
I was box score watching and Jeremylin.net watching. While Lin obviously wasn't taking over the game, it's obvious that he wasn't the weak link that caused the loss. Without having seen this particular game, it appears that the Roxkets had a good showing but were outclassed in the end anyway. And a healthy Lin probably would not have created a win.
After halftime break I came back a bit late and missed his injury.Anyway, I'm getting so anxious about the offseason. I'm at this minute having a delayed reaction (and panicking) to the latest NYTimes article that I read 3 or 4 days ago, which was obviously arranged by the Rockets organization: I now think that there is a 60-40 % chance that Jeremy Lin might NOT be traded, because the piece mentioned that according to Rice University researchers "The Houston area has become the most diverse region in the country" (paraphrase). Why would they mention *diversity* ? Could it be to convey to Lin's family and fans that he fits in the area? If they do keep Lin, it's definitely VERY BAD for his basketball career. If they don't plan on trading Lin, it's baffling how Leslie Alexander has allowed (by not minding what Morey, McHale and other "basketball minds" were leaking or saying to the press) his staff to have their say to the press totally unfiltered - and they were all anti-Lin articles! And why allow to bench Lin EVEN WHEN he played well? And why allow to benching him when he got hot? I'm using the word *allow* because they weren't isolated incidents: It was ALL SEASON LONG; there was a PATTERN. Doesn't the team owner know how crucial it is for a basketball player to have confidence? Confidence is especially important to a young and less experienced players, such as Lin. Morey and McHale certainly know, which is why they've been trying to kill Lin's confidence for political and resume purposes. The combination of them mistreating Lin and simultaneously building the backup PGs have created an atmosphere of extreme stress for Lin. Has Mr Alexander been THAT busy with so many other business ventures that he was THAT clueless?I really *HOPE* *HOPE* *HOPE* Morey and Alexander TRADE Jeremy Lin as soon their season is over in about a week - by May the latest. All Lin needs is a team whose GM and coach who support him, let him play his designated position, and be a 3rd scoring option for him to succeed. Another words, a team whose "basketball minds" would treat him fairly and normally both on and off the court.
I disagree, KHuang, I watched the game and a healthy Lin WOULD have made a huge difference, I think they would have stole this game had he played.Rockets were neck and neck until Lin's injury, which caused McHale to have to use Aaron Brooks in the 3rd quarter. During the time he was in Westbrook abused him and OKC went on a huge run to take a big lead. Had Lin been in there I don't think this happens.Rockets only lost by 3 points, Brooks was a -7 in just over 3 minutes.Lin also would have taken some of Parsons' 23 shot attempts, which would have been a good thing seeing as he only made 7 of them, almost all in the first half.
Dystopia,I agree with you. You made good points. But I could visibly see McHale looking really psyched after Lin went to the locker room. His "glee"compouned by how well Beverley was playing. I was thinking how happy and animated McHale appeared. After playing 40 minutes, Beverley will be scouted now on though.McHale has always behaved like he wanted to win without letting Lin play well *if* he could help it, otherwise why did he often take Lin out when he'd played well or was getting hot - for one thing ??? Any backup player to Lin was always left in the game as long as they didn't mess up badly (treated them like starters in practice, once Lin played the first 4 to 9 minutes). It had been mostly been a McFailed strategy, despite getting on Lin's nerves. I'm not saying Beverley wouldn't improve as a player: Look at how well he's performed last night. And he has upside just like Lin (they're the same age) and on a pro level he has 2+ years more experience than Lin. But it usually hasn't worked out in the regular season. I don't know about the one playoff game last night because Bev was used as a starter also, along with Lin.
Phew, thank God there is no structural damage.Lin does play hard all the time so yes, a veteran PG would be great to teach him some tricks.Bring on Game 3!
Jlinfan, you are giving us problem here. The new thread just open and now you are open a even newer thread. Now, we are getting busy and don't know which thread to stick around. Jk. Glad it's negative.
Lol.[Yes, very very glad.]
Lydia, JLinfan opened a new thread for people confused which thread to posts.nope, jk :D
Are the x-rays enough for a diagnosis? How about an MRI?
X-ray is great for bone but doesn't rule out soft tissue damage. If he doesn't improve, I'm sure they will get an MRI to make sure no muscle tear. It sounds to me though that he wasn't necessarily in pain but the muscle was spasming nonstop. Really weird injury.
They should just get an MRI too then. I hope this medical staff isn't incompetent like NYK's.
I'm sure they'll do it but not sure if they can do MRI with portable machine?X-Ray is quite easy to do.Hopefully the MRI just reveals minor bruise.
I think the gravity of injury will be revealed tomorrow morning when he wakes up. Spasm sounds like something that is temporary but I just don't understand how it can be sooo severe to ground him for the entire second half.
I've had this kind of injury happen to many times. What happened is that Lin's nervous system went a bit haywire due to the combination of the hit and his sympathetic nervous system firing due to it being playoff basketball. My guess is that Lin took a direct hit to the center pf his sternum. There's an acupuncture vital point right in the middle of the sternum, possibly one of the legendary 36 vital points. In Western medical literature, there are rare but documented cases of people dying due to direct hits to that point. Hitring that point can cause a freak heart attack via electrical misfiring. I know of one case which was a high school football game that resulted in a death due to the tip pf the football hiting that point during a catch,, plus full contact karate tournaments and occasional bicycle handlebar injuries have been anecdotally cited. Obviously Lin's gping to shake off this "semi shock", likely even overnight. He'll be a bit sore in the chest, but I expect him to be back at full strength in the next practice while showing no ill effects on the next game. If anything, the hit may have gotten Lin going. I eagerly await the next game!
If he does come back, I hope he's at 100% and he is able to take all of today's frustrations out by playing well in the game.I just hope it's not a tear.
aha, so you're saying it's possible that the hit might awaken his chi point to get Lin sanity going again, KHuang! :DBut wow it could have been dangerous then. Thank God he's okay now
@KHuang I wish you didn't include the part about rare cases of people dying... cuz it would cause me a "freak heart attack" lol. Other than that, I hope you are right that JLin could shake this injury off overnight.
"If anything, the hit may have gotten Lin going. I eagerly await the next game!"At the end of Kung Fu Hustle, Stephen Chow's character undergoes a metamorphosis into a complete badass after nearly being beaten to death in a previous battle. His latent chi energy was released as a result of the physical damage he suffered. I'm hoping that in Lin's case, life imitates art.
@KHuang,There was an article on ESPN last year about a pickup game of football where some dude cheap shotted another dude and killed him that way.
Lol @ Kung Fu Hustle...
Stephen chow is my favorite favorite actor...Watch all his movies.
I enjoyed the 'vital point' you made KHuang hah. I hope you're right that it's just nervous system acting wacko and will right itself for game 3.
Hope it awakens the legendary "Buddha Palm"!
At least Lin's head didn't explode like in "Fist of the North Star", which is a manga/anime about a martial arts master who makes enemies explode by hitting their vital points!
I wish Jeremy well and hope he get well soon.
I'm juat glad Jeremy Lin has not missed a game. I predicted that Lin would play better this game, and he did. Now I'm predicting that Lin will not only bounce back to play the next game, he'll also raise his production further. Even though I didn't like Bev's regular season game, I'm OK with his game in the playoffs. I do not see Bev as Lin's replacement, even if others do. I view Lin as strictly a "guard" who can play either backcourt position equally well. I thought he got good minutes before his injury. For this Houston team, Lin's versatility allows Kevin McHale to play Lin in various combinations. Kudos to all the Rockets, even my man Beverley, for stepping up against this overpowering OKC team!
I'm of the same opinion, KHuang.One good game by Bev doesn't mean he'll replace Lin. They had been playing small ball with Lin/Harden/Bev anyway. With Lin, they could have won this game.Even if Houston fans think Bev can replace him and Lin's name comes up in trade scenario in the offseason, I only see positive sign for Lin to play true PG somewhere else.Whether in Houston or somewhere else, Lin's talent will rise to the top!So it's a win-win for me.
As I've said before: A backup pg SHOULD be able to produce. I've come to the conclusion that the gap in talent between a starter and backup isn't always huge. I'm not suggesting that Lin isn't much better. But when you realize how amazing even a bench warmer in the NBA can be: You begin to understand that sometimes there isn't much in terms of talent separating a starter from a backup.
Beverley appears to play well because the Rockets get nothing from the PF spot and McHale is reluctant to use DMo or Robinson whose athleticism actually is suitable against an athletic team like OKC. Of course team looks better when it's 5 on 5 instead of the 4 on 5 when Greg Smith plays.
Absolutely true, Bamboo Forest. In fact, sometimes the better starter is not as good a chemistry fit for the team as the backup. Case in point: The Lakers in 1971 had Elgin Baylor who was dominant like Lebron is today. They benched Baylor and proceeded to win 33 games and the title. The shock from benching Baylor would be the same as benching Lebron today!
1971? Oh, Lord.Our back up is so good that he finishes games in place of our starter.
K.smith, I've warched Patrick Beverley GIVE AWAY games because of his poor reflexes and nonexistent court awareness. Beverley might finish games, but that doesn't mean he should be finishing them. The Rockets should lnow by now that you can't win with Bev but you can with Lin.
Funny how bleacher reports post game grade gives Jeremy Lin "point guard" incomplete. Is Jeremy the point guard? Jeremy's should have a new category called "unknown".
They could list Lin at center and still he's a natural PG to me. I also like Lin at SG. Since he can easily defend the position and make plays, I don't have any trouble with him playing off the ball as a shooting guard. Personally, I don't care what position or even role Lin plays. As long as he PLAYS, that's good enough for me. Now if he starts getting under 20 minites a game, then I'll complain.
I love Lin too, but he needs to be a better shooter to be or play as shooting guard. He's not quite there yet with his consistency on his outside shot to be a consistent shooting guard.
You guys care too much about the name of position. NBA's position is only defined by the position a player guards but cannot change the way how a player plays. Magic Johnson was still Magic Johnson when he's put at center. Lebron James was still Lebron James when he's put at center or power forward. It doesn't mean a thing really.
Spencer Haywood, Lin has shot like 50% from 2 pt and 40% from 3 point with clutch basket after clutch basket since the All Star Break. With such awesome numbers, I'd argue that Lin is the right guy to be the starting SG for a lot of teams, not just the Rockets. When I watched Lin play shooting guard against the Suns, he ROASTED everybody they put on him. He racked up 20 points in 3 quarters and got froze out in the 4th. It was so impressive that I actually booed Lin, albeitly not that loudly and with great admiration. Hey, he was KILLING my Suns. Plus I'm a New Yorker and we love to boo opponents we love (e.g. Reggie Miller!)
So mad when I saw all those tweets bashing Lin. I did not see the game (Should I?). KHunag is right, I shouldn't even watch those comments.
How could you see Lin bashing tweets unless you searched his name? And who could help you when you are being stupid to search for Lin hate tweets on twitter? You make yourself mad and you have no one to blame but yourself. No offense.
Nope, it is just on the timeline. You will see it when you reply to, say, some reporters account. I did not search them. Anyway, it does not matter how I saw it. I saw it and it is bad.
I don't see how it's "sad" unless you believe what those people said.Lin wouldn't be where he's if he couldn't handle criticism.
When Lin isn't playing well, it's best to stay off of mainstream media like twitter/facebook, etc...
You could ignore what people said. You could use them for a laugh. No offense but I think you are a sad person, more than the Lin bashing being sad.
You are right, good point.
Just look at it like this. At the end of the day, it's just words. Lebron of all people quoted it best (when he lost in the 2011 NBA Finals) :“At the end of the day,” James said, “all the people who want to see me fail, they gotta wake up tomorrow and have the same life they had when they woke up today. Same personal problems they had today. I am going to continue to live and do the things I want to do and be happy with that.”
well in haters' paradise, you are a good player by how many times you shoot the ball. the rest of the basketball dynamics, they are obviously clueless.oh and they consider a player a good defender if he is moving aggressively in the court. doesn't matter if he is defending aggressively.just move aggressively and haters call it defense lol
I should watch the replay I guess. I understand how stupid they are. Just feeling bad about those bashing.
Brent, I know what you mean, when you say "it's sad".
I am just glad that Lin is so unlike you guys that he could listen to and handle both praise and criticism.
@Cara, it does not matter, we all want him to be successful.
That's an awesome quote by Lebron.
U guys are so funny. That lebron quote was taken as hey look at me I have all the money and Dane and u guys are poor and losers. He got a lot if heat for that and.had to clarify yourself. And cara what da hell is your problem? It is annoying to hear people talk crap about someone you like .. And sometimes it unavoidable. Go back to your parson bashing.
Yes, it's annoying to hear people hate on Lin. But it's yourself who chooses to read those hate comments and care enough about them.And it's not like you never wrote crap about Lin and his fans either, Solidz75.
The whole organization is flawed in the way it has handled Lin. It would help a lot if it's own media is steered away from such negative attitudes to Lin. At least in NY, the fans all loved Lin. In Houston, Lin has had no help whatsoever from the Rox media staff, GM or coaches. The only comments they have about Lin is always negative. It's amazing how mentally tough Lin is to fight against so many factors beyond his own control. Lin is now a SG, so he should just shoot and pad his own stats like everyone else on this selfish team. Take the contract and use it to improve his post up shooting, play his 20-25 minutes and screw this franchise. They really made no effort to help Lin become an impact player, in fact, I'd say they've done exactly the opposite. Fom day one they've made every effort to make Lin disappear. It's Mchale and it's Morey trying to prove to Les that they were right and Les was wrong.
And Lin has PUNKED THEM ALL. Lin's doing great. He's been knocked around all season long, and yet the Rockets can't win without him. He's a marvelous young superstar who's taking superstar lessons. If anything, I and others here would like to see Lin become more creative off the dribble. He hasn't truly had to develop his spin moves, mainly because he's so overwhelmingly athletic that no single NBA defender can stop him. But these are the NBA playoffs where Lin needs to have a complete game in order to excel. Lin has it in him to twirl like a ballerina off the dribble. I EXPECTED Lin to have a bruising playoff series. I also see many good signs of growth and improvement. What Lin's going through is necessary for him to become a proven playoff performer.
In the previous thread someone asked why there are so many Lin haters out there.I believe most of you already know the answer.Yes, Lin was born in the U S of A. Yes, English is his first language. Yes, his manner and demeanor is totally North American. Yet he is still being viewed and treated as if he is a foreigner. We (forgive me for speaking on your behalf) welcomed him and embraced him but are we seeing him as an American? Why refer him as Taiwanese-American, Chinese-American, Asian-American and not simply American?Even if he improved and become a bona fide NBA all-star can many people picture him representing US in the 2016 Olympics?Jeremy was right. He was stereotyped.American male of Asian descent were seldom the leading man in films. They can only play Hop Sing or Kato; glorified servants. Asian characters with money and power are usually heads of Tongs or Triads who dared to oppose the righteousness of the blond leading man. Even the gorgeous and sultry Asian women seemed to prefer someone with hairier pectorals.Jeremy went against stereotypes. He defied stereotypes. Since February of 2012, Jeremy is the leading man.But he is not a mainstream American. He is a visible minority.Many feel that basketball is not a sport for Asians. Let them play badminton and ping pong. Let them thrive in gymnastics or platform diving. But cracking the race barrier of NBA, NFL or NHL is simply taboo.They are jealous and they feel threatened. Asians can be academics but not jocks. They can be great violinist or pianist but not lead guitar of a rock band. They can be doctors and engineers but not CEO or COO of major corporations. They can enlist and play soldier but they will be hazed to death.The Lin haters hate him for going against what they believe in. Well, tough s#%t I say. Just be honored and thankful you are witnessing the gutsiest leading man changing history.
I hope these two articles may insist our faith in Jeremy LinJEREMY LIN is the 2nd PG behind John Wall in 2010 draftNYK should draft Jeremy Lin of their 39th pick
Of course he could play in the Olympics for us! Americans love their ethnically diverse looking team. :) Isn't it always fun to watch the US gymnastic team in the Olympics and note how we're the only country that looks the way it does? It's like art to me. I'm not a big fan of forced diversity, but I love it when it happens through merit.
I think I sort of knowing the answer already, but u break it down in good pts. Just don't understand the women part. I m sure many gorgeous Asian woman prefer Lin very much like they do with the man u talking about. Gotta stop that kind of mentality. I think it's not true or fair to those women u guys talking about. It's really not the case, from what I seen.
Asian men are not truly permitted to be great violinists at the pro level either. That's despite the fact that Asian male violinists are akin to black basketball players.
I love that Beverly is playing so well. I love the line-up they started with and that line-up was working fantastically. If they had pulled this game out, which I was cheering for, they could have won this series.They couldn't win it without Lin, either. Instead of being so fearful, some of you should hope that Beverly is awesome, because then Houston can win more games and Lin will have the opportunity to shine as well.And, if in some bizarre world, Beverly playing well marginalizes Lin, great! He'll be traded to a better place. No team keeps a backup PG on their roster at 8 million per for the next two years. :)
Quick question, is that you in your profile picture?I agreed with what you said. But if Beverly outplays Lin and Rockets end up trading Lin, I doubt any team wants to take his contract. By then his player reputation/image would already be tarnished.
Absolutely true, Michael!It's really a win-win scenario.If Bev plays well enough next to Harden and Lin, they could have won 1-2 games and Lin will also shine.If Lin got traded due to some bizzare scenario, he can play his true PG position somewhere else.So go Bev and go Lin!
I doubt Your doubt that Any team would wants to take his contract. If they want to trade him, obviously, there must be a team to take his contract? And why you doubt no team wants to take his contract? If you have enough believing in his skills n potential?
Lin isn't even traded yet lol.Okay even the Rockets want to trade Lin. It's not Lin's problem whether his contract is tradable or not. If the Rockets are happy some dead weight money being buried on the bench, let them be!
@ Lydia. lol at "I doubt your doubt" part.I'm just saying if the Rockets want to trade Lin because his backup outplayed it. It will make Lin look bad.Also, I'm not saying Lin sucks or anything. Just that we all know how NBA teams tend to overlook him and may not want to take his contract.I do agreed that Lin needs to get off the Rockets and find another team who's willing to put him in a good environment to develop/succeed.
Captain Marvel, Lowry got outplayed by his backup in Houston and he still could get traded. Kirk Hinrich often got outplayed by this minimum wage journeyman Nate Robinson in Chicago, yet he still started every game for them. Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay's contracts were seen as biggest overpaid in the league, yet they still got traded.I don't know if you are really a Lin fan or Lin hater. Because if as a "fan", you sure think lowly of the player you adored.
@captain, thanks for clean up the confusion, I got ur pt.
Cara wake up. None of the guys you mentioned are Asian American. Not to mention that Lin's contract perceived as very expensive
Yeah, that's me in my profile picture, why?
@ Rikki M - "Not to mention that Lin's contract perceived as very expensive" = Exactly my point.@ Michael Terry - I thought you were using a fake pic.It's cool now.
His contract is not that expensive. Mo Williams makes the same kind of money. Pretty sure Utah would rather have Lin.
KSmith, the key word is "perceived" and we cannot those people's perception. Oh and the last time I saw Mo Williams is still black.We don't live in an ideal world. 'MURICA!
People, please understand that Lin becomes MORE tradeable as his contract runs on. Lin's trade value will SKYROCKET in his 3rd year. He could play as poorly as Patrick Beverley has this season and Lin would be the hottest trade item on the market. The reason for that is because that $15 million year is regarded by NBA general managers as a valuable expiring trade chip. Lin would be traded likely for a longer term contract, and then Lin's contract would expire. He'd then be free to sign with any team that wants him. I can't speak for what NBA general managers will think of Lin after his contract expires, but I can definitely say that he and Asik are extremely valuable trade chips because of their identical contracts. And Asik is just as tradeable as Lin, even from a basketball standpoint. Daryl Morey regards Asik and Lin as merely "placeholders" until guys like Chris Paul and Dwight Howard become available. That doesn't mean Paul and Howard would outplay Lin and Asik on a sheerly basketball level, of course.
anyone has any idea about recovery time of this type of injury?
I do. I expect Lin to be fully available at the next practice, albeit with a sore chest. I do not expect any lingering effects either.
KHuang, so...you think he'll be 100% ready for game 3?
I do, K.smith. His chest may be a bit bruised and may wiggle on its own involuntarily at times, but it won't limit him or mess up his game. I'd be surprised if Lin couldn't play in Game 3.
I think u can't say for sure. All depends on how he feels tomorrow. If he wakes up and it's all swollen and inflamed, that could signify something sinister (a tear) and I don't think he'll be readying If he wakes up with just a palpable pain then it's just a minor bruise. He looked fine during the post game interview.. I really hope it doesn't act up.
THE JOY DUNK CLUB EP 15: PLAYOFFS
TO WIN A JLIN ACTION FIGURE...
oh I'd very much like to win that, to compliment my Funko Jeremy Lin (profile pic)
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Well, I'm sure Lin haters are pretty happy about this.------------------------------------------I hope he gets better for G3.
good thing he's ok...Irregardless of position, I'd like for Jeremy to become a dominant-like-LeBron type of player - sets up team mates,(Jeremy's already good with that), scorer, good defender. I think the only aspect that is inconsistent in him is the scoring part.
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1:19 JLIN RUNS INTO SEFOLOSHA ON LOOSE BALL PLAY[Jewery How]
Aha. That's definitely it. Sefolosha stiff-armed Jeremy to go after that loose ball and ended up elbowing him in the chest. Ouch.
No way Jetemy tore his pecs on that. that would be unusual.. He probably has a bad contusion .. It will be site but he should be able to play with pain med injection.
Hope jlin is okay....it could take at least a week to recover.
PICS - G2: JLIN VS OKC
How did Lin get the nickname of 啾迷or啾啾？ (⌒▽⌒)I need to look up what this mean.
Jeremy Lin benches himself, raising questions of heart and Scottie Pippen migraine visions
"raising questions of heart"? WTF. The kid does whatever it takes to contribute to wins yet the media/haters question his heart??!?!!? GTFO. I'm sick of this s.hit.
Wow, just wow, and the writer was the same person who wrote a good piece about Lin being shackled. I cannot believe this after Lin played all 82 games and gave his all, and he was obviously in pain and couldnt breathe right when he showed up on the court attempting to start. He is suggesting Lin should force himself and be ineffective? Yes, It's been a disappointing chain of events and they have pain many of us here, but garbage like this is the most sickening part. Very tired of this...Hope Lin recovers soon And be healthy for his career. Will continue to support no matter how things turn out, he is tough and I am sure things will turn out good for him.
WOW... Lin is known to be one of the players who gets hit the most. Throughout the season, he's gotten hit in the head numerous times, he's gotten kicked while on the ground, and he's played through a cut with dragon-shaped blood. And when he finally steps off the court when he can't breathe:"Omigosh, he has no heart!"
More media racism. This is why I bash the media constantly. They HATE ASIANS and aren't apologetic about it either. No matter how successful Jeremy Lin becomes, the media will always hate him.
I usually really try not to bring the race card. But this really leaves me wondering if the same article would be written if it happened to a white or black player. Very frustrating.
Lin's supporters usually look extremely exquisite and stylish.Kenny Smith is one good example: He's so effortlessly gorgeous when he dissects Lin's games; understands and appreciates Lin well. Haters OTHH, emit the negative aura and they look indescribably ugly. LOL.
livyrlife, what did Kenny say about Lin tonight?
Everyone saw this coming a mile away. Seems that in the NBA it's about being "tough," even if it stupid for you to play and you become a liability to the team. A lot of people are playing banged up (i.e. Nash, Blake), and even Westbrook had that knee pain today after Beverly ran into him. I don't understand "contusions" because it is basically a bruise but during the season, it seemed a number of players sat out games because of it anyhow.Stereotypes and media being what they are in America. Lin has to play next game. I don't doubt he will. He's all heart.
HELL NO they wouldn't write this garbage about a nonAsian player, bluegracy! To follow Lin IS to play the race card!I've watched the NBA for decades. I've seen pretty much all the rough stuff. So I thought until I saw Lin play. No player I have ever seen in the NBA gets more illegal bashing and unfair media criticism than Jeremy Lin. It's a disgrace to the NBA and a disgrace to the racist American media that I utterly hate. But NBA fans? Best in the world. The vast majority of them genuinely appreciate Jeremy Lin. The racist haterade against Lin in the NBA and media is NOT indicative of the POSITIVE reaction Lin gets from the American public.
I was replying a message when he said something like Lin has his hands full running the offense so it's good to have Bev guarding WB...but the rest didnt show much interest to talk about Lin, and I think Charles Barkley wasnt in agreement with Smith...
i'm really curious...Lin has his hands full with running the offense? How is that possible, he shares the basketball/touches with Harden. He has the ball a lot more than Lin. What do they expect from him?Someone, honestly, help me understand this.
I'm referring to Smith in general when he talks about Lin. For tonight's game, I missed most part and also didn't pay full attention to the postgame review while multitask...
I actually find that believable, k.smith. When Lin plays PG, teams load up on him with double teams and traps that close off other players. It makes it difficult not just for Lin, but for Lin's teammates that have to step out of their comfort zones to beat the defenses. It has this chaotic effect that coaches McHale and Woodson incorrectly attributed to Lin playing poor offense. Now Bev, teams don't fear him because he simply doesn't impact games. They single cover him, have no special traps for his teammates, and encourage him to shoot. McHale is mesmerized into thinking Bev plays better point guard than Lin, even though Bev's ineffectual game often loses the leads that Lin created. Lin DOES have his hands full beating the traps and double teams. But I'd take Lin's winning hands over Beverley's losing hands.
They didn't say too much about Lin. Smith did say that. Barkley said something like Lin had the Westbrook flu when Lin went out.
I don't think this is racism.. I think this is relating back to last season with the knee injury. They are trying to perpetuate a dumb almost conspiracy theory that Lin is selfish.
Baldwin wrote some good articles on JLin before..?Jeremy Lin shackling hurts the Rockets: Almost treated with Tim Tebow disdainJeremy Lin unchained: NBA discrimination could finally end with recent run
Eh. I don't even mind this article.Sure, it's a dumb article in which he pretends to be a doctor, but at least the writer actually APPRECIATES and RESPECTS LIN'S GAME.The reason he's angry is that he believes Lin is a high quality underrated player who could have made a difference...and yet he didn't play through something that sounds very minor (but isn't).So yeah. I'll take this article any day over the average sportswriter's J-Lin hit piece.
I suppose I'm just baffled how he can question JLin's heart...
Not surprisingly, Howard finished a relatively unimpressive 14th in Defensive Player of the Year voting. He finds the result "funny." From Mark Medina for the Los Angeles Daily News (via SLAM):“It’s just funny,” Howard said. “That’s okay. We got next year and I got a long time. This year’s funny.”
One of the things that moved people so much by the Lin story is that he never gave up, even after he didn't get to go to a college in California (after being selected high school player of the year in California), even after not getting drafted by the nba, even after getting dropped from two teams, even after sleeping on couches because he might get dropped at any time from the Knicks. Never give up and put your hope in God; I get that message from him. I really like this video, which captures a lot of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2WDK6NCsxzoIt gives me inspiration to never give up after difficult trials in my life, and it helps me to believe that he will continue to work hard and come back after setbacks like those he's been going through.
my prayer goes for super fast healthy recovery for our JLIN..
Not exactly sure what type of injury he had. It does not seem like a deltoid or rotator cuff muscle which is good. However, could be a torn pectoral possibly or hopefully in best case scenario just a strain. I didn't exactly see the hit but am concerned about pectoral muscle tear. Praying for healthy return. He was really confident and took some nice shots and was playing really well.Bev is probably gonna start ahead of Lin but I think Lin is the key to a win or loss.
There's NO WAY this is a pectoral muscle tear. Lin wouldn't even be talking about playing Game 3 if he was. Tearing a pectoral muscle is akin to tearing one's ACL or rupturing an Achilles. His season would end right now with zero chance of return until Spring 2014z No, Lin received a simple LEGAL hard hit that got him just right. He'll also recover from it just fine. I would be surprised if he wasn't medically cleared to return by Game 3.
I'm gonna pray (and I'm not religious). Probably just a contusion. A bruise or contusion can cause bleeding of the muscle.No question he needs an MRI.
Just saw the actual post game interview. Did not look to be in any pain. Highly doubt torn pectoralis.
The injury occured in my opinion just before half time. I saw Lin, Delfino and an OKC defender racing towards a loose ball and Lin got sandwiched and hit in the chest. I saw Lin was grabbing his chest when he got hit. IMO based on last night's game, Bev played well but he really could not initiate the offense. Harden was trying to go in hero mode again. Luckily for the Rockets, their 3 pointers bailed them out and got them back from the 15 points defecit, but it was also their 3 pointers that cause them to lose the game. Their lack of defense in the last 2 minutes when they were up by 5 points also caused them to lose the game. Instead of defending, they were celebrating. Throughout the game Bev was on Westbrook and Lin was on Sefalosha and Westbrook was on Lin on defense. Westbrook scored on Bev at will, but could not the first half because he was in foul trouble. I believe the two foul calls were offensive charges. I don't recall who took them but I know Lin two offense charges. Rockets are not going to win a game without Lin back in the line up. Mark my word. They are not a good flowing team without Lin on the floor. I was disappointed that McHale regulated Lin to SG and let Bev handle point. I guess he was trying to relieve Lin of the pressure since he commited 4 TOs in game 1.
#1 hater posted another video, which really just shows Lin missing jump shots. There's more footage of his injury as well. Since he's going to work on his shooting during the off-season, we can just call this more motivation. The footage exposes some of those calls that were made against Lin and not made for Lin. Westbrook charged a lot, which normally if Lin made those, it would be offensive foul on Lin.Game 2 Hater Footage
Not watching this.
Either way, it's not that bad.
Can you stop giving this guy views? Seriously it's obvious what this account is for.
I ENJOY the hater footage. It actually has a reverse effect for me. Instead of hating Jeremy Lin, I see all the traps and uncalled fouls and legitimate mistakes that Lin does make. The racists and Lin haters on this board love to trash Lin when guys make great plays against Lin. Well, this is the NBA where great players can make great contested shots against the greatest perimeter defender in Lin! I luff this game!
Please stop bringing that guys footage here! Stop giving him page views!!!!
netw3rk @netw3rk 5hFunny thing is, Perk wasn’t even trying to hide holding Parsons. KG at least makes it look like incidental contact.6:42 PM - 24 Apr 13PERKINS' DIRTY PLAYParsons [on the Perkins screen on the Sefolosha three]: "It’s clearly obvious what Perkins did to me: he grabbed me with two hands and I couldn’t go out there and contest Sefolosha – that’s part of the game."
It happens, I'm not hung about that play. Perkins did what he needed to do. If anyone's to blame, it's the refs, not Perkins.
Parsons wouldn't have gotten close enough to contest the shot anyway. It was a wide-open 3 no matter what. That's why the ref let it go.
zxcvb, that's a good point.
Something lighter~NEW HANDSHAKE
Haha. It did seem to me like Garcia and Lin got along well. I never mentioned it before but I thought it was funny that with Landry, JLin instigated the handshake, but that Parsons was the one who instigated the handshake with JLin (per the "A Day in the Life" episode). It feels like last season was so long ago.
*YEAH [they get along well.]Parsons was the first of the Rox to welcome JLin. [Of course there's alsovtalk of chumming up to JLin for the media exposure...] idk
@cali7 in one of Landry's interviews he said that he is the one who thought about doing the handshake thing because after Lin's break out game he new that it would be huge and he wants a part of it :)
@Balintuna oh okay. I just remember one interview where JLin gives a shout out to Landry and thanks him for doing the handshake with him. So I assumed it's must have been JLin's idea. Either way, sadly, all of that feels like eons ago.
[CNM] Game #2: Jeremy Lin & Houston Rockets Barely Lose to OKC Thunder -- Report & Analysis
Let us all pray for Jeremy, beyond his skills on the court i believe that his greatest message is hard work, faith, humility and fighting (and winning) through adversity.If you have time you can visit http://olamshrine.com/ click "nuns" then "prayer requests". I believe that regardless of faith/religion having more people to pray for Jeremy is very much welcomed especially among his fans.Thanks!
If the injury is just a contusion; he should be able to recover by Sat.BTW, I have posted some article on the previous thread thinking this thread is solely on his injury?!!!
Jlinfan,Will this site stay in this blogger format indefinitely? I just think threads/conversations would be so much smoother with a real forum. Frustrating to always hit "load more" at the bottom, and after you post a comment, it resets and needs to be clicked again.
I don't want to sound rude, but what do you expect from something completely free of charge for you? Do you even know a good forum might require some budget? Why complain so much about a little bit of inconvenience and demand so much from some people who already work for you totally for free?Please appreciate JLinfan#1 and company more who already work hard for us and never charge us for one single dollar.If you like the forum format, you can always go to that Clutchfans forum and donate money to them, you know.
To be fair, there are actually quite a few free services that can host forums for you.I really respect Jlinfan so it would be nice if he could create the official, unofficial Jeremy Lin forum :)
Then, why don't you create such a forum and have to rely on JLinfan#1 if it's so easy?
Is it that time of the month for u cara?
@Cara, calm down.....phew......
So you are resorting to personal attack, in addition to your Lin and Lin fans hating, Solidz75?
Yes. And I'm attacking u by the way u go off on people for no reason. If u feel that I'm attacking other posters on this board for no reason, then feel free to call me out.
Ok, we're calling you out.
I think original poster was making a request and didn't want to step on any ones toes. I don't think seeing up the forum is the problem but maintaining and having a moderator is very time consuming, unless there are volunteers.
Khuang, is it that time of the month for you as well? Your cycle must coincide with cara's. how cool is that.
The royal "we" again. The syndrome of small - very small - men with big egos. LOL.
Christo, just email admin privately.
The Rockets defense paid a lot of attention to Jeremy Lin on offense, especially in the halfcourt. They watched him like a hawk to prevent his dribble penetration. They did halfcourt traps, and when he did get into the lane he was subjected to double and triple teams. All that attention had two effects.1. It opened up shots for teammates.2. It allowed lots of offensive rebounding opportunities.I am not taking anything away from Beverly, Harden and the other guys, who played hard and hustled on both ends of the court. (Although I will say that had Harden showed this much effort during the regular season, the Rockets would not be stuck in a no win situation against the Thunder in the first place. They'd have the 6th seed against a much more manageable Denver team, for instance.) But a lot of what Beverly and the other guys got on offense was due to Lin's being on the floor. If anything, they failed to take advantage as much as they could have. The Rockets missed a ton of open shots, especially during key moments. Had they taken advantage of what Lin was opening up for them in the first half, they should have gone into halftime with a 10 point advantage. As for Beverly, I take nothing away from him. He put in 2 years in major college ball at Arkansas and then went and then played 4 years overseas. He has also been cut by the Lakers and the Heat. He is the same age as Lin also, 24. Nothing against him at all, but he is not Lin's equal as a talent or skill level. Also, the emotional and physical intensity and game speed that Beverly played at last night, no way he can maintain that over a full season. Jeremy Lin has played all 82 games (for the first time in his career) and he was playing against an OKC team that had also.One thing that I want to see Lin work on in the offseason - which is 2 games away - is a pull up jumper. When the ball is rotated around to him, I really don't want to see him settle for the 3 point shot. When he is wide open with no one near or running at him, he should take 3-4 steps towards the basket, and then when a defender reacts he should pull up and take a higher percentage shot. This living and dying by the three point shot thing isn't Lin's skill set, and it also isn't good basketball. Jeff Hornacek - who was a 6'4" combo guard like Lin - used to live on the pull up jumper, and he was nowhere near as quick or athletic as Lin did.
Great post, @unknown.I missed the most part of the 1st half but from the box score, I suspected that Lin's presence managed to keep the Rox in the game -- trailing by only two points at halftime. Do you think that had Lin played the 2nd half, the Rox would have won the game?
I wouldn't say that Lin's presence kept the Rockets in the game so explicitly. He certainly helped, but Harden, Beverly, Parsons and company played great. Also, the Rockets not only kept it close in the 2nd half without Lin, but actually had a very good shot to win it. Yes, Lin's defense, passing, presence, leadership and scoring would have produced a Rockets win.
Harden, Beverly and the rest certainly did very well in the 2nd half to keep the game so close despite at one point, OKC was leading by 12.Let's hope that the Rox keep it up and play even better on their home court. Who knows, they may win the series. :)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1613744-houston-rockets-trading-jeremy-lin-during-offseason-isnt-as-crazy-as-you-thinkThis article proves that there's lies, lies then there's damned statistics. The writer curiously uses personal statistics to prove how great that Harden is, then reverts to team statistics to show how crap Lin is eg, "Lin allowed 107 points per 100 possessions on the defensive end during the regular season. Alongside a player like Harden who relinquished 106, that's a problem. " But we all know that Harden is the worst defender on the team, often allowing opponents to brush past him without qualm in order to pad his offence stats.Also, McHale limits Lin to the starting opponents, and never lets Lin stay on the 4th quarters when there are runouts against easy teams. Lets Harden on to pad his stats.This guy is just as much a troll as those that frequent CF, the difference being that he has far more education than the typical serial-killer standard of the one line semi-literates that show up on game blogs on CF.
You know that Bleacher Report is one of the worst sites right? Never ever go there.
Yeah, people should hear what Paul Villarreal has to say about haters....be patient on JLin. Jeremy Lin Haters Are Walking Into A Trap Of Their Own Making
On the injury, I am not expert, but if it is related to the soft tissue, shouldn't Lin take a MRI instead of a X-Ray?
He could have the MRI, but it would make no difference in how the doctors treat Lin with rest and antiinflammatories.
But I thought a lot of time, some athlete just underestimated their injuries. They use medicine and thought it is just pain and they thought they can just ride it out. In the end, it worsen the injury and caught them off guard..
It depends on the injury, Brent. In this case, the only kind of injury that would cause major alarm would be a fractured rib or sternum that would puncture a lung or cause Lin to not breathe properly. Even so, an X ray would reveal that. Since Lin wasn't having any trouble breathing, an X ray would be more than enough to rule that out. So say Lin did fracture a rib or even his sternum, There's still no treatment other than rest or recovery. Besides, Lin would not be medically cleared to play were that the case. He'd have trouble breathing, let alone talking. An injured chest is not like an injured ankle or knee. Lin will recover just fine from this, though he'll likely have a big uncomfortable bruise on his chest.
OK...let's hope he get well soon.
This meme has awakened centuries of anti Asian sentiments. We forget that it's only been 50 years since immigration by Asians were finally allowed. Asians were considered lower than blacks and Mexicans. Institutional anti virus must be administered by the Rox management, but it is actively spreading the hate instead. This meme is a dangerous virus if allowed to spread. We Asians can't do a thing about it, it must be done by institutions and national agencies. It's going to be tough for Asians for a long time to come because the china bashing on tv. Lin is only the tip of the iceberg.
Anti Asian bashing has been prevalent for the last 150 years in America. Jeremy Lin's great play has silenced the haters, but they still hate. Some of them even pop up on this forum only when Lin has rough games. That's why I have shut the media out of my life and refuse to buy the constant anti Asian haterade spewed across the airwaves. And when I run into someone who treats me as a stereotype and not as a person, I gently but forcefully tell them "Nope".
So Morey just said on the radio that Beverley has Rondo like qualities. It looks like he found his second star.
Right now, Jeramy Lin is getting his starting job ripped away by force by Beverley. We'll see if Lin is a meek kid who doesn't mind or if he's a fighter that won't back down. Morley is in Bev and McHale's corner...always has been. Fatboy is probably enjoying what's happening.
It is a good thing tight? So lin can leave.
Perhaps it is a good thing. However, what does it say if he can't beat out Beverly? Do any other teams even want Lin?
That's not saying a lot.Even though Rondo is an All Star who people idolize, he's the most overrated player in the NBA. Rondo is a point guard that benefits from having shots created for him by his Hall of Famers. Even so, his Boston team was horrible after having losing Ray Allen and played much better after Rondo went down. As a Rocket, Lin has had no trouble playing against Rondo. That blocked shot that Lin slammed on Rondo was HIDEOUS in a good way. Now if Morey wants to dump Lin, go right ahead. Lin is going to play well on any team he gets traded to. Besides, Beverley was a HORRIBLE regular season player who's benefited from having Lin draw attention away from him. My response to Morey salivating over Rondo: YAWN.
Right on KHuangLin is a stereotype. He shattered a lot of opinions toward against Asian. I do not mind he leave the Rockets. Lin will find his way back to the stage. Lin is not super fast, super strong, super jumper. Yet, he is an elite one. The most important is that Lin is smarter than most of the NBA players. This fact alone will stand him out of the crowd.
Lin IS super fast, super strong, and a super jumper. On the jumping, Lin doesn't get as high as guys like Westbrook or Wall. But Lin has superb hang time and timing. It's why Lin can jump up to grab rebounds away from big men or do those Jordan up and under double pump reverse layups against the game's best shotblockers. Lin's not just smarter than most NBA players, he's also more athletic and more battlehardened than most of them. He's a STAR who I absolutely have no worries about no matter what his situation is in the NBA.
In the current system that Morey wants to institute, bev may be more effective than Lin. But no way bev is a better pg than Lin. Plus, bev will now find himself on the opponent's couting report. It's a testament to his recent performance but let's see how he handles that. It bothers me that with one good game, everyone is now calling for Lin's head. But this freaking franchise has set up this team for bev to succeed. But I agree. Lets see how lin responds in this environment. This can only make Lin better.
And what's this nonsense about Beverley "ripping" the job away from Lin?Lin has started all 90 games for the Rockets. He's never started out a game as a reserve. Sure the Rockets can play Lin at point guard. What's Beverley going to play, then? He doesn't have enough size or game to be a NBA 2 guard, unlike Lin who plays either backcourt position with ease. I'm more concerned that Lin average 30 minutes a game. He could be the 12th man backup center and I'd be happy if the Rockets kept playing him all those minutes. He had 19 minutes by the half, so there ain't nothing to complain about!
Do other teams want Lin? Hard to say, and impossible to know. There are NBA guys that have game, yet nobody wants them. Indiana's Tyler Hansbrough is such a player, as is Brooklyn's Kris Humphries. Psycho T in particular is incomparably better than David West as an athlete and technician, but everybody thinks West is better because West is black. Lin just has to make the best of his 30 mpg. Let teams figure out if Lin has value to them.
Rondo is like the biggest stats padder in the nba and a player his team is better without. That's not saying much lol.If Beverley is a 2nd star, the Rockets are doomed as we all have eyes to see how bad Boston are with Rondo as one of their stars!
It's clear that Morey was referring to Bev's rebounding ability that reminds him of Rondo's after his 12 rebounds game. So it's not necessarily Bev's ability in creating assists yet that Lin clearly has an edge with his court-vision.Bev got such explosive jump that enables him to quickly grab rebounds and blocks. On the other hand, Lin had the quickest first step that enables him to always get to the rim.I see both Bev and Lin as complementary in the small ball system with Harden to open up lanes to the basket and draw the OKC big men out.As I said, if Houston got deluded thinking Bev can replace Lin to be playmaker, that's all the better for Lin to be traded to play his true PG position somewhere else.They really contribute to different strengths in the current Houston system. Most fans are just short-sighted to see which one is better.Houston clearly missed Lin's presence to attack the rim and give more space for Harden/Parsons to shoot last night to pull out the win. Just watch how Parsons and Harden struggle in their 3PT shooting (both with 0-3 in 4Q).
Yeah I heard this too, honestly I don't really see the comparison other than both have a knack for getting offensive rebounds. Rondo is a passer and a great finisher at the rim. Whereas Beverly is a high energy guy off the bench who can shoot the 3.Beverly is a high energy guy but is not someone you want to be your starting PG as he doesn't run the offense well enough on a consistent basis. However he's a great player to have the bench. Like KHuang said I don't think Rondo has as big of an impact on winning or losing like a lot of people make it seem. KG and Pierce are the real core of the Celtics team (Jeff Green is coming along it seems as well).The more and more I hear Morey talk about basketball the more I doubt his true understanding of the game. He's known to be a numbers guy but I feel like that's all he knows. Also this guy has a terrible draft history so it makes me doubt if he can really see basketball talent.
You guys see how many rebounds Beverly grabbed? Or how he got into the head of Westbrook?
And Lin's 82 games meant nothing while Beverley's 2 games meant everything lol. What logic is that?
Morley is a clown who got lucky this offseason. Eventually, however, his lack of basketball acumen will rear it's ugly head and Rockets rebuild will stagnate.
Albinoswordfish, I really suspect that Morey was deliberately popping up Beverley in order to deflect the fact that all 4 of his 1st round picks got DNP-CD last night.
As is often the case, I am in agreement with TVN. Daryl Morey has not had a good track record during his Rockets tenure. I think that this is the first year his team made the playoffs. Normally Daryl Morey is a lottery team GM. This year is an aberration - and Lin is the main reason why.
Morey complimented his backup pg? So what? Do you expect him not to say anything good about his players Come on.
Also, bear in mind "Rondo like qualities" doesn't equate to saying that he's anywhere even remotely as good as Rondo.
So in the future we can expect Morey to say Harden has Michael Jordan qualities next time he hit a clutch shot, Chandler Parsons has Lebron James qualities when he made some assists or Thomas Robinson has Hakeem Olajuwon qualities because he got a lot of rebounds and block shots, on and on.Right?
And the Rockets must be a super team, not a borderline playoffs team since they have so many players with these great qualities!
Wonder what is taking so long to give us an update on Lin's status. They have to know how he is feeling this morning.
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