Tuesday, April 9, 2013

Rockets vs Suns Game #78 Post Game Thread

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  1. 4 points at the end were clutch, but I have to say Lin's streak of playing really good consecutive games ends at 4. Looks like Rockets will make it to playoffs since Utah will lose today.

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    1. Rockets have cinched at least 8th spot long before today.

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    2. That's not true. Anything can happen in NBA. If Rockets lost today and Utah won today, there was a real danger that Rockets might not make it to playoff. I have watched sports long enough to know that "until the fat lady sings, it ain't over."

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    3. Hollinger had Rox odd at making the playoff at 99.99% before tonight's game.

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    4. I could understand 99% but I don't know how they came up with 99.99%.

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    5. The .01% was a concession to eb5attorney.

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    6. Memphis isn't out of the 3rd seed chase...only a half-game out. Denver has the tie-breaker but injuries will take their toll and my man Mike Conley is BEASTING of late -- ever since they asked him to create more of the offense.

      Despite the brilliance of Karl and Manimal Faried, I'd rather face banged-up Denver than the New Look Grizzlies (sans Rudy Gay and more Conley-driven). And the altitude won't be a factor in a 7-game series. It's a factor when you fly in the night before.

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    7. @ zxcvb, I've been ambivalent about whether Memphis or Denver is the better matchup (assuming Lawson will be 100%). I've gone back and forth about it.

      I think Memphis is a much better known quantity than Denver. I have a handle on what their offense and defense is about, and what the roles of each of the players is. (If Gasol plays more aggressively, they can be so strong.)

      Whereas with Denver, I think the total is greater than the sum of its parts, you know what I mean? It's not a team you can just look at their roster and have a good sense of what they can do and what their true ceiling is. Kind of an experiment of sorts. They might be devastating in a way that few have predicted. I'm deeply interested to see how they fare in the playoffs.

      Yeah, Denver's altitude advantage is mostly negated in a playoff series.

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  2. Lin got his elbow iced during the game.. It's not good...
    https://twitter.com/KatieTD21/status/321820227832799232/photo/1/large

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    1. Hmm...maybe that's what hurt his jumper. It wasn't a big deal in Denver, though, so I'm not sure how it affects him. Two off-days to rest luckily.

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    2. JLin did not have 22pt and 8 assists today. What game were you watching?

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    3. * Pic might be from HOU vs POR.

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  3. Game Summary (To My Eyes):

    -Sleepy effort by all.
    -Ugly, boring, stop-start game with no pace.
    -Jeremy was 1-9 on his jumpers today, but he came up big in the end (jumper and then FTs).
    -Too much Harden ISO = lots of points, lots of TOs, but he got to the line so no whining
    -Idiot Jermaine O'Neal gift-wrapped the game with the pointless goaltend on a total Harden brick that had no chance of going in.

    Enjoy it. Forget it. Move on. We got the playoffs to look forward to! PLAYOFF LINSANITY???

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  4. HoChen: Lin wasn't sure he'd be excited about potentially clinchin playoffs, thinkin more 6 seed. But now as it approaches? He's EXCITED.

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    1. Can u ask ho about lin's elbow? My guess is its still bothering him.

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    2. I'll try to get some info on it, Solidz, I'm also worried...

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  5. I will take the win but the Rox looked really bad tonight. It shouldn't take a lucky goaltending call to beat the worst team in the western conference at home. Harden gave up too many TO's. Lin missed way too many jumpers. ASik didn't look particularly good despite his 20+ rb's, Cisco just started missing shots after that knee bump.

    I hope this team does much better next game. It was really a dismal game to watch. Nothing to be proud if if you are a Rox fan.

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    1. The silver lining is that both Lin and the Rockets play best in INTENSE GAMES.

      And PLAYOFF basketball is as intense as it gets.

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    2. Harden had 9 turnovers!! If Lin did that his balls would have been skewered by McHale and he'd be benched for two weeks. Such a double standard by McHale for Lin harden in terms of harden not playing any D and being a turnover machine and not having any accountability by the coach, and Lin working his ass off on D and rarely turning it over and still getting benched!!!

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  6. Highlight of the game for me was the huddle before final play of game.

    Harden was exhorting his teammates and Lin, who often likes to be vocal leader, said nothing, and instead just leaned in and listened attentively to what James wanted to say (it's a great shot to view on YouTube if it shows up on highlights because it shows how much of a team first player he is).

    It reminds me of one of the very early The Apprentice seasons where ultimate winner was talented man with military experience. Alot of CEO / executive types who were evaluating the finalists commented how much they like that finalist, because in addition to obvious talent, he had the ability to BE LED as well as being a great leader himself.

    McHale went with his closer (Harden) and Lin fell into line just like everyone else.



    McHale: commander in chief

    Lin: commanding field general

    Harden: SEAL Team 6


    :)

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  7. At least, Lin will get to experience the playoff which he missed with Knicks.

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    1. Jeremy Lin ‏@JLin7 3m
      Crazy win...and we clinched the PLAYOFFS tonight!! #RedNation
      http://instagram.com/p/X6La15OP20/
      8:27 PM - 9 Apr 13

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  9. It's so funny that our rox won the game...

    I do agree that harden must not play iso basketball alone..

    They need to run a play..
    luckily J'0neal accidentallytouched the rim ...

    And lin really is our hero for the game..
    Without that 4points.they will not won that game..

    Harden must thank lin aswell because if not those 4 points
    He will not be a hero in the news papers..
    i don't even think someone will thank lin for what he did..

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  10. In the NBA, there is actually no such thing as a "great shooter".

    All the guys like eb5attorney criticiIng Lin for missing shots have no clue that the the most celebrated shooters in NBA history often have 1-10 or 0-9 stretches where nothing goes in even with perfect technique. Lin had an off shooting night by Lin standards and atill scored his season average.

    This is the NBA where a win is a win.

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    1. Preach it, KHuang. Seriously, this is just a pitfall of having a largely Asian fanbase.

      "5-14! You are such an embarrassment!!!"

      And he's been shooting 47% from the field and 40% from 3 since the All-Star break! Let's cut the man some slack!

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    2. U guys are equating us with Lin haters. We are just pointing out Lin didn't have a great shooting night. We are not saying he sucks at shooting. He did what he could to contribute to a win. And he made the shots that count. No one is disputing that.

      But IMO, he didn't play up to par tonight. U can't dispute that. Or maybe you can, To some of you, Jeremy plays phenomenal every night.

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    3. Hey zxcvb.

      With guys like eb5attorney who was howling for Beverley to start over Lin and Solidz75 calling Lin scoring his average tonight "subpar", I've ceased trying to figure out whether they are "Lin Only Fans" or "Lin Only Haters".

      Good thing Lin is so IMPACTFUL in areas other than scoring.

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    4. No, I'm not lumping you in with them. I just think the fact that us "fans" keep harping repeatedly on a sub-par shooting game is kinda funny in its overeaction (Asian upbringing, ha).

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    5. @KHuang

      That's the thing with Jeremy and basketball in general that's hard for many to understand. I'm no expert, but even I know that the boxscore doesn't tell the whole story. Not even close. There's so many little things like help defense and drawing two defenders and calling out screens and dealing with bad refs that determine a ball game.

      And despite Jeremy's offensive inconsistencies (often due to McHale's misusage), he's the rare player who contributes in the "other" ways almost every single night.
      Guess what -- I respect Derek Fisher. And Mike Conley. And late-period J-Kidd.

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    6. That is, I respect those PGs for similar reasons -- you can contribute in so many ways other than scoring.

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    7. Another instance of KHuang twisting my words. The only time I wanted Bev to start over Lin was to show Mac and others that Bev is not a starter material, but he's twisting what I said as if I think Bev is a better overall player than Lin.

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    8. Oh, you mean just like the time you said that Lin was not capable of scoring more than 12 for HIS CAREER?

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  11. @Bamboo Forest,

    It's ok if you think Beverly is a better defender, but you're also simply wrong. You're in good company, because @eb5 is wrong a lot too. Like @eb5, will you refuse to acknowledge the facts?

    Here's an article earlier this year on nba.com which describes how Lin deserves to be in the discussion for Defensive Player of the Year. As I've posted Lin's elite defensive stats here, starting with last year when Lin was a Knick, this was not a surprise to me. RAPM is (was) the most accurate stat for evaluation publicly available, as it's an adjusted +/- score, the same sort of calculation Morey has used so effectively to evaluate players the last few years.

    http://www.nba.com/hoop/the_devil_is__the_dtails_2013_02_05.html

    Since this article was published, the creator of RAPM has gotten a job with an NBA office, so he's taken down his season-to-date stats. But I see no reason to think Lin has fallen off.

    Of course, you could imagine that a rookie Beverly has an elite effect on defense, and that if RAPM were still around, it would show that Beverly were even better than Lin. Or, the more rational course would be to acknowledge that the eyes are easily fooled, and try to understand why your eye test does not comport with the facts. Moreover, even if Beverly were somehow an even more elite defender than Lin, there is no way he's so much better that it makes sense to alternate sub them.

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    1. Totally agree. No way in hell you sub in sub out Lin like that for offense defense down the stretch especially with Beverly being such a scrub.

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    2. I never said he was a better defender. I'm too lazy to copy and paste what I said, but I most assuredly didn't say that. Have some integrity, dude.

      I think there are circumstances where Beverly is better defender even if Lin is a better overall defender. But the notion that it's overwhelmingly obvious that Lin is a much better defender than Beverly is ridiculous.

      I'm glad that all lovers of Lin don't follow the party line.

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    3. By the way Tuan Vu had similar sentiments... so this notion of yours isn't as monolithic as you portray.

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    4. Were you OK with the alternate subbing at the end of this game?

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    5. The only situation Beverly would be preferable is if Jeremy has 4 or 5 fouls and the refs are cheating him on light contact (remember the second-to-last Kings game?).

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    6. Virginia, chill out. I have to wonder if you selectively read what I wrote. I said in the last thread that I didn't catch the second half. My comment was strictly on Beverly as a defensive player.

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    7. I'm not saying it's monolithic at all. Everyone who thinks Beverly prevents as many opposing team points as Lin does is wrong, no matter how many people have the wrong opinion.

      Some people are mistaken because Lin doesn't "look" athletic, despite that he tested out with elite athleticism. Some people don't think he's a great defender because they are signalling to themselves that they are fair minded, and this one of the areas they're allowing themselves to concede. There may be other reasons too.

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    8. Actually, you shouldn't need to have watched it. It should be obvious that alternate subbing your point guard has drawbacks, and you'd only do it if you thought the defensive sub was a much better defender. That is an outrageous thing for someone to believe at this point.

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    9. Virginia, I really have to wonder if you're fair minded. You act like you have all the answers. What makes your opinion so above others? You and I are both not experts on the NBA.

      And it's not so black and white as you say. There are many aspects of defense. There are probably aspects of defense that Beverly is better at than Lin. And certainly aspects that Lin is better at than Beverly.

      Actually, Lin looks VERY athletic to me.

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    10. This is an absurb topic: JLin for DPOY

      He routinely gets beat off the dribble, requires help defenders, gambles too much, and isn't quick enough to stay w the elite guards.

      Please know I say this as a HUGE fan of JLin - I've watched numerous times where he loses his man, and then messes up of defensive rotations.

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    11. I think Lin's a good defensive player. But I just don't agree with the sweeping claim that Beverly sucks at defense. Beverly is in fact known to be a solid, good defender.

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    12. How a poster evaluates Lin's defense is often a good indicator of whether his opinion is worth taking seriously.

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    13. Virginia, you sound as if you are just repeating what others say and don't think for yourself. It seems as if unless you love everything Lin does, you cannot be his fan. Anyone who says someone's opinion shouldn't be taken seriously should not be taken seriously. Actually, it's just opinions on BB, so nothing we write here should be taken seriously.

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    14. Then I definitely won't take YOU seriously, eb5attorney.

      You go ahead and start your boy Beverley. Enjoy his turnstile defense and his proven ability to give momentum to the other team.

      The problem with people like you and jakemaverick who think you're smarter than people here by criticizing Lin's defense is that you outright neglect the overwhelming statistical evidence that Lin is ELITE defensively. That's why Michael Terry keeps DEBUNKING you.

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  12. Wonder why TRob didn't play. McHale usually likes to experiment bench players, different lineups against presumably sub par teams.

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  13. Funny Harden got exactly the kind of "homerun" stats McHale mentioned plus no defense but no one cared.

    I don't dislike Harden but the double standard is obvious.

    Also subbing in and out Lin/Beverley for defense purpose is dumb. Might as well sub out Harden if it's really about defense. McHale was pretending to make a cute clever move. He's lucky it didn't burn him.

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  14. JLin has reached his goal at the beginning of the season. He must be stoked. Happy for our guy JLin!

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  15. Jeremy could be the next Steve Nash ...stat-wise, but then again he could be like Mike Conley http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4246/career;_ylt=Ahzk8fkBIeh6KhMr4ZPp6YSNPaB4 .....odds would be more in the Conley stats....hey, that would be a good career too.

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    1. Lin in his 3rd year as a low usage efficient pg is INCOMPARABLY BETTER that Nash and Conley were as 3rd year players.

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    2. No shame in being Mike Conley. He's a great super-underrated PG.

      Look at the STATS he's putting up since Lionel Hollins let him run the offense like most PGs. Ever since Gasol got banged up, he's let Conley have more touches and freedom instead of just dumping it into Marc or ZeBo.

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    3. KHUANG you always speak the truth and put everything in CONTEXT

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  16. Congratulations, Jeremy and the Rockets! Do the Rockets play their starters sparingly for the next few games, now that they have clinched? Maybe rest up and get ready for the playoffs? Or do they go for the sixth seed?

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    1. Congrats to the Rox for clinching a place to the playoffs!
      I think the Rox should do their best to play all remaining games, doesn't matter if they have to play DEN after clinching 6th seed. It's a great learning process for the youngest team in the NBA.

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    2. I am just concerned about Jeremy's arm and Parson's calf. Also, Harden has been playing heavy minutes with a sore foot.

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    3. I seriously hope coaches play harden less mins so that he's fresh for the playoffs. Jeremy's arm seemed to affect his shooting tonight. Bieber Parsons, hopefully is fully recovered before the playoffs start.

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    4. They should rest all starters and anyone banged up, but they need to make sure they can maintain the 7th spot and avoid the 6th (projected Denver) and 8th seed (projected Oklahoma).

      I just hope the Warriors aren't trying to do the same thing at this point.

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    5. yeahhhhh.... Golden State is winning! They will stay 1 game ahead of the Rockets. The Rox hold the tiebreaker between the two, so they need to stay behind GS. But Denver isn't mathematically out from overtaking the projected 2nd place Spurs. If that happens, YIKES!

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  17. With Lin as the PG, the rockets won games convincingly. with Harden handling the ball, he turnovered 9 times and the rockets barely survived playing the worst team in the conference.
    With Harden playing as PG, the Rox is just like Phoenix.

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    1. So true!

      C'mon James, we're trying to win here, all he wants is his 29 pts and 9 TOs!

      No accountability, myopic single vision coaching.

      Unbelievable!

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    1. neAAto ‏@neaato
      i dont know what to think of new fung bros jeremy lin vid, half serious, half funny half on off tuned. odd lol
      5:03 PM - 10 Apr 13


      [Tbh, expected better fr them.]

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  19. we are in the playoff, perhaps we should start debating who we prefer to face in the first round and therefore the seeding we desire. General concensus on Bleacher is we should avoid Denver, too atheletic, fast, great coaching, depth, etc. I guess, if not Denver, then I like to face the Spurs, as we lost all in close games, and besting the last time give us glimpse of confidence, and when just maybe when our shots are falling, and their veterans are getting worn out, who knows....

    GO ROCKETS!!!

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    1. Agree, rest all the starters, lose rest of the games. Let's fight for the #8 or #7 spot. We don't want to go mile high city Denver to play the first two playoff road games. We will have no chance to advance to second round.

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  20. None of the guys on this site criticiizing Lin's games are criticizing Harden's Kobe-like 8-21 bricklaying or his disgusting 9 TOs.

    Games like these are why Harden would be a bench player for me, not a starter.

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    1. I wouldn't criticize Harden's (selfish, iso play) on this site as there is/are one/two Jeremy's haters(disguised as Jeremy's fans) would ignite endless and meaningless debates. There are way more better things to do here than fighting with somebody on a virtual world of internet.

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    2. Hero ball vs Team Basketball.
      TJones played well but not on the clutch.
      Smith is more reliable. With Smith and Asik, the rockets will a serious contender.
      If Lin made 9 TOs, the Lin haters would all come out yelling for blood.
      Again double standard!

      A Lucky win. McHale is still experimenting with Harden as PG.

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    4. Janelin7, if anyone is wasting there time here disguied as a Lin fan but actually a hater, they are seirously wasting their time. But, please, just because someone doesn't see everything like you or others, doesn't suddenly make them haters. Lin's my favorite NBA player, period.

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    5. Bamboo, did i say you're one of Jeremy's haters?

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    6. No, but I assumed it because I'm one of the few who often sees things differently than many who are vocal here. If you didn't have me in mind, then I apologize. That said.... I do think Harden has a lot of issues with his game, turnovers being one of them.

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    7. It's all good, Bamboo. I do agree with most of the things that you said. I just don't fancy fighting.

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    8. Didn't watch the game but 9TO 9/21 tells me everything I need to know about how "well" Harden did.

      Seriously, close game vs conference worst...1st round exit if they let him be PG again.

      I'm a huge fan and all Jeremy but if you are reading this you need to take charge.

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  21. It's amazing how pressure turn men into mush. When your tight, the first thing that goes is the legs. Tonight everyone choked because they knew that they could clinch if they won. THEY WERE EXPECTED TO WIN. There is nothing more scary than having to meet expectation when losing meant total failure. Luckily for the Rox Lin was clutch at the end to save Mchale.
    Unbelievable that Mchale went back to sticky iOS harden. Just unbelievable.

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  22. Blaiyan highlights
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_v5z5TOdoM

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    1. I'm a big fan of including potential assists in highlight vids. Too bad Blaiyan doesn't do that.

      That unconverted no-look pass to T. Jones was brilliant and should have been included.

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    2. Hey there, footwearfoot's highlights posted up thread has that play.

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    3. missed the 2nd half. Lin was clutch. Why wasn't there a pick for him...broken play on the 2 point shot made in the lane?

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    1. I'll pass watching Sorey. Creepy.

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    2. via, I like you, but you're making cringe and feeling repulsed.
      No more triple whammy in a row of Lin-haters: Hardleasty, Sorey, McHell.

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    3. LOL, I understand, ztrta.

      Some posters might want to hear their postgame though. It'll be more convenient for them if it's all in one place. :)

      Btw the first post is JLin. :)

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    4. via,

      Hahahaha..... it's funny

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    5. Thanks via,

      It's funny (so i must laugh.... hahahaha) that my eyes didn't go past the word "Clutchfan".

      I'm going to see the *Lin* video at Clutchfan - then promptly get out of there too. LOL

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    1. Why HOU clinched a playoffs place already despite they are 44-34 while GSW are 44-33 and GSW haven't clinched a place with better record compared to HOU?

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    2. Cause GSW haven't won the tie breaker vs. Jazz as Rox has.

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