Monday, April 15, 2013

Rockets @ Suns Game #81 Post Game Thread

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    1. Lin rebound and coast to coast in 4 secs. Seen it before. =P

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    2. That was what PV at CNM said was dribbling up the defender's back. Nice!

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  2. I just don't see anything good in losing this game. OKC will crush Rockets. One lousy game Rockets should win, they can't come through.

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    1. It's good...if they win tomorrow and get the 7th.

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    2. That's too big of an IF. They should have won THIS game instead of hoping for a win Wednesday against a much tougher Lakers.

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  3. McHale was not tanking. You don't play your starters at the end when you are tanking. Nice try to explain utter incompetence.

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    1. Yea, this was obvious.

      Mchale's just an incompetent douche.

      Yes, go away from the lineup that brought your team back and gave you the lead. Bravo!

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    2. McHale was just throwing Harden and Parsons out there just for the sake of minutes. The lineup that gave us a chance in the 3rd quarter ... Lin, Garcia, Delfino, Anderson, and T-Jones.

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    3. That same line up, Lin with backup players (Lin, Garcia, Delfino, Anderson, Terrence Jones) -- and NO OTHER POINT GUARDS in the combo guard Harden and PG Beverley -- was the MOST SUCCESSFUL lineup tonight: They erased the entire 9 point deficit within 5 minutes in the 2nd period (from 11:15 to 6:15) when Anderson replaced Beverley.

      Many of us have seen this before where the Rockets did well when Jeremy Lin played *without* Harden and *without* the backup PG (either Douglas before he got traded or Beverley) and with the bench players or mostly with bench players (except the backup PG). I haven't seen Lin play without Harden or Beverley for a long time, so I was happy to see it in this game, but unfortunately it was too short. Even when Harden was unusually benched for the first 7 minutes in the 4th quarter (Lin was benched for the same time span, plus the last 2 minutes of the 3rd quarter), McHale DIDN'T LET LIN PLAY WITHOUT Harden and Beverley again for the rest of the game. For 8 to 10 average minutes that Harden doesn't play, Lin should be playing with the reserve players to add depth .

      What is wrong with letting Lin play the PG without Harden or without the backup PG? Whenever it was allowed, it has largely been successful but short lived. And McHale hasn't allowed it for a long time, so recently I've lamented about it. I have long felt that McHale and Morey are afraid of letting Lin shine for fear of exposing Lin as a bona fide NBA starter (they think of him as a hyped backup or role player). Morey and McHale rather let Mr. Alexander and everybody to think that they have waived the right minimum-wage player in December 2011 and that the owner of the team was foolish to sign Lin again, and at a much higher price at that. On the other hand, they want to convey that they, the "basketball minds", are responsible for acquiring Harden, the face of the franchise. While Harden is an excellent player, they have an ulterior motive to allow his stats to inflate further. Meanwhile, Lin's stats are maneuvered to have him appear as if he should be a backup player.

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    4. Harden has an off night, and Lin played well with the reserve players for several minutes as the sole PG, yet McHale buried that successful lineup. It was an important game!

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  4. What gets me is that Lin was nearly benched the entire 4th. There was a point where McHale was only going to bring Harden back in and let Bev play the entire 4th. Does he not realize that Lin dominated the 2nd in 4 minutes without Harden and nearly had a 20 pt 1st half (if not for Harden coming back in). If they don't believe in him, then trade him to the Lakers.

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    1. McHale sees only what confirms his preconceptions and ignores the rest as an anomalous exceptions. I'm serious.

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    2. now that Kobe is out at least half of a season, I actually like him going to the lakers and pretty sure laker looking to get a PG for the future as Nash is injury prone beyond the age.

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    3. Yes, I noticed that too. At the 4min mark, it looked like he was only going to bring Harden back.

      Asshole. God, I hate this team, it's retarded low iq fan base and incompetent coaching staff.

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    4. Agreed. A retarded fan base and incompetent and Lin hating coach. If the team was located in Austin, at least it'll be a different story regarding their fan base.

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  5. Why go to LA for a must win? Mac is crazy if he wants to play OKC. Spurs is the best bet.

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    1. We're gonna lose on W. 8th seed it is. I called a HOU vs OKC matchup. OKC's gonna kill Harden.

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    2. Agree. OKC knows Harden's bag of tricks.

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    3. The Rockets will probably (?) play better than the Lakers, but the ref might manipulate the game with a little of this and a little of that.

      The Jazz have a tough match up against the Grizzlies and it's in Memphis too. The Lakers will know the outcome of that match prior to the start of their match vs. Rox.

      I'm rooting for Griz to win BECAUSE if the Jazz wins and if the Lakers fear losing, I think the Lakers would play viciously (fear the Rox players would get hurt) because Utah holds the tiebreaker between them. And the referee will most likely let them get away with it.

      I want Utah to lose as expected, so that the Lakers wouldn't feel so desperate and do no-call flagrant fouls. In the (unlikely) event that Utah wins, the referees will 100% give away the game to the Lakers (even if the Rox outplay them). The INTERESTING dynamic is - if the Griz are thinking in advance - the Grizzlies might tank the game on purpose in the event that the heavily playoff-experienced Lakers might lose to the Rockets and not make the playoffs (since their game vs. Utah doesn't affect the Grizzlies' standing).

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  6. Just a brutal game that was lost in the most predictable way.

    Whenever Jeremy led the offense, the Rockets were on their way to victory. Whenever Parsons or Harden led the offense, the Rockets sputtered and got blown out.

    Parsons got his stats...at the expense of the team. He ruined a dozen possessions with ball-stopping (and kept giving Jeremy the ball last second so he wouldn't ruin his own %s) and couldn't rebound anything in traffic. He missed assignments on defense and was the very definition of a paper tiger.

    Harden was just doing his usual hero ball antics on a cold shooting night and after banging up his knee.

    On the BRIGHT SIDE...if the Rockets win tomorrow, it'll all be fine. Even great! So much better to be a 7th seed and face the Spurs then be a 6th and face the Nuggets/Grizz/Clips.

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    1. Why does coach mchale have a problem with lin's to's but doesn't have a problem with Parsons to's and terrible ball handling skills? I don't understand it.

      Why does Lin get pulled when he's hott but guys like Parsons, Bev and Harden continue to play when they're hott? Hell, Parsons/Harden continue to play even when they're not hot.

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  7. No, Rockets did not should not tank, because logically, I cannot think of any benefit in losing this game.

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    1. If the intention is to tank, you win this game then tank the next one. You don't tank a game that forces you to win the next one.

      The tanking explanation doesn't fly.

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    3. Trying for an explanation bcos the alternative [this is how McHale is coaching at this late stage] is too depressing to contemplate?

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  8. Seriously does anyone in the organization does not realize when Lin is running the offense the team is much better?? i'm so dumbfounded, watching Lin literally on his own leading this team back and just when they took the lead, Mchell screwed up again as always! WTF!!

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    1. At this point, I think the coaches might be starting to believe in him actually.

      But they can't stop Harden and Parsons from ball-stopping and choking and creating fastbreak TOs (even when Jeremy turns it over it almost NEVER results in a fastbreak bucket).

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  9. I knew this was going to happen but i'm still pissed and depressed at the same time.

    I don't believe any of you when you say the Lin/harden can play together. No they can't, not with this coaching staff.

    Harden had a 6th man role in OKC because he had to have the ball in his hands. He doesn't move well without the ball. Lin is the same way, he's a ball dominant guard that's learning to play without the ball.

    Lin is the only guard that's had to sacrifice his game. We're going to keep seeing random fucking benchings and inconsistency from Lin until he perfects playing without the ball and becomes more consistent with his J.

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    1. They CAN play together. Jeremy just won't reach his full potential.

      He really has to follow Nash's example. Establish himself with one team...then leave to sign with a "lesser" team to be the lead guard.

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  10. I have my tongue tied over how appalling this game was managed. It's unbelievable.

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  11. Let's hope somehow Lin is allowed to dominate the poor PGs of the Lakers Wed and impress them (their coach is already impressed) that Lin gets to be a Laker for years to come. KOBe not gonna be back for a while and even him said next year will be his last season and sure Nash can't play more than another year and may even retire after this one.

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    1. C'mon, you know better. Parsons and Harden will do their thing and Lin will sit at the corner, deferring to them like he normally does.

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    2. The stars are lining up, aren't they? Two years from now...

      1) Kobe won't be the same/retired.
      2) Nash will be retired.
      3) Jeremy will be an unrestricted free agent (averaging at least 16/6).
      4) Dwight will still be All-Star caliber.

      It could really happen.

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    3. yep, i feel ya. I live in LA & fans r already taliking abt Howard needing a PG, and that's Lin. Fans in LA are chumping at the bit for Lin.

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    4. HOU has Lin's bird rights.

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    5. This is a horrible way to enter playoffs. Chaos and randomness can only get you so far.

      I pray for at least a mini Linsanity Wednesday night since I'm going and I've gone to every single Rockets game in LA, and none of them have shown Lin off like he should. I hang my hat on this last game of the season.

      If only Lin could be an honorary Laker this game and win it for the Lakers.

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    6. Jeremy would take less salary to leave if he keeps being treated like this.

      He'd actually make more money anyway because he'd earn a lot more in endorsements as a lead guard in the LA spotlight.

      Oh well. We'll argue this if/when we get to that point! For the next two years, he's in Houston...Les will ensure that.

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    7. McFail coaching is driving down Lin's value as a player. He won't get any contract offers if he keeps being chained to this terrible offensive system.

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  12. I dont really know what to say anymore.wow just wow. Coach McHorribles substiutions are beyond pathetic, hes not even a D-League Coach. his gameplan of relying on Hardens BS Heroball and Parsons retarded Ballhandling is just not understandable. How can a HOF player have such low BBIQ?!!!
    Patrick Beverley is NOTHING. hes jumps around like a monkey( thats not racist)goes for off rebounds when he should be running back on D gets constantly burned by bad players on D and commits a ton of stupid fouls. he doesnt bring ANYTHING on the offensive end.
    Chandler PArsons thinks hes LeBron James when all he really is is a good streak shooter, average cutter who sometimes makes good extra passes.hes maybe average but when he tries to create his one of the worst players i have EVER seen.
    Now to MR. Superstar aka i fuck hoes for 20000$. hes being exposed. hes unathletic as fuck, slow, doesnt play Defense at ALL and is a turnovermachine. he has a completely streaky 3pointer and thats it. doesnt even have a midrange jumper ,lol. his drives a beyond pathetic, he goes JUST for contact and does the same move over and over and over again. rans into a crowd throws up the worst shots EVER, sometimes they get in but if hes not bailed out by refs his FG is 5/18 automatically. he doesnt even pass on fastbreaks but rather runs into scrubs for the offensive foul.his playmaking is WAY overrated. Srsly if have NEVER seen such a CHOKER in the clutch and such an overrated wannabe Franchise player in my life. Not to mention that hes a wannabe thug. God i HATE Jasmes Harden i really HATe that guy.
    I was really humble with the pathetic organisation that the Houston Rockets are but now i´m sure theres only one thing to say: Jeremy Lin GTFO of Houston for ur own good or the 3 most important years of your career will be wastet.
    Can anybody feel me???

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    1. I am beyond feeling. I am numb with dumb.

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    2. Don't reply to this Nazi wannabe.
      He needs to be banned from this site!

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    3. How can i be a nazi wannabe when im rooting for an asian player while being white myself and critisizing two black and one WHITE player for their atricious play and lack of character? i describe beverley as a monkey not because hes black but because he jumps around like one, is TOTALLY out of control and doesnt look like he belongs on a basketball court. not because hes black. my favourite play is LeBron James then Dwade and JLin. How in any sense can i be a nazi? please explain.

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    4. Why call him a Nazi. That is very demeaning to be called that.

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    5. @ Hans

      Don't worry about it, have no idea where that guy feels justified to throw labels on you. Then again, its the internet so I wouldn't look for a logical and even a rational explanation. Therefore, don't sweat it.

      My interest in Jlin has waned considerably since this coaching staff is still in place. I don't even blame the players--if the coach says max contract guy you can iso, then you iso. But for the other 14 players, of course, its move move move the ball.

      I too can't wait until Jlin moves to the West coast or East coast big market team. His HOU years are developmental years to work on his weakness.

      Welcome to the site, love diverse opinions!

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    6. The first post I saw by @hans schwanz said “Patrick Beverley is a retarded ape.” There were about 5 responses which ranged from “That is so wrong on so many levels.” to “Delete your post!”
      I was proud of the bloggers on this site: nobody took his bait. @hans schwanz’s response was, “Don’t get me wrong. I like Patrick Beverley! At least more than Harden.” And he deleted his post. A short while later, perhaps a day or two, there was another post by @hans schwanz again saying “Patrick Beverley is an ape.” This time he was mostly ignored. There was only one response and of course it was negative. Since then, @hans schwanz has made a few similar statements, mostly profane rants against James Harden. For the most part he was ignored. But last night he again posted, “Patrick Beverley jumps around like a monkey (that’s not racist)” and some more profanity about Harden, all embedded in some comments that many fans of Jeremy would agree with. Any further questions?

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  13. Jeremy Lin on the Rockets' loss: "No excuse. Just lack of desire, maybe?"

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    1. Lin: "We're talkin bout matchups & things that r more important to us than anythin we've playd 4 all season. So this 1 hurts."
      [HChen]

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    2. Sounds like they were at least contemplating a tank and lost focus. I guess they really would rather face ANYONE but Denver. Even OKC.

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    3. You're overthinking it. Lin showed up to play.

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    4. Lin showed up...after the first quarter.

      Like I keep saying, it's very clear that he's "taking it easy" of late. I don't blame him either. It's 100X more important to avoid a late season Faried/Parker injury than push yourself hard to get a slightly better seed.

      If Jeremy runs the show most of the time, Houston can beat anyone. If he doesn't run the show most of the time, Houston can't beat anyone. So health is priority #1A.

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    5. HoChen [when asked about 'lack of desire': "Basically, he meant a lack of focus, which is normal for a young team. But he also said, at this pt of the season, no excuses."

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  15. Daryl Morey ‏@dmorey
    This loss hurts big time as it was self inflicted. Losing rebounding by 5% to below avg rebounding team on my list of many problems tonight
    10:04 PM - 15 Apr 13

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    1. Oh shut up, Daryl :-)

      In that case, you should have gotten a single decent rebounder at PF or SF before or during the season!

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    2. I hope some other problems include Mchale's shitty rotation, inept coaching and MISUSE OF LIN.

      I hope Morey's ass doesn't get any sleep tonight.

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    3. All is well. Rationale to follow...

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    4. pretty sure he got a call from Les tonight about this game. Les wanted Rox in the 6th seed. He knows that Rox wouldn't have a chance to win, but I think he was happy that they got 6th seed. Les is very competitive.

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    5. Well, from 6th -> 8th now...

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  16. KHuang's from Phoenix and may have gone to this game. Eager to hear his thoughts...

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    1. Should be interesting. Psalm too.

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    2. Ah. Forgot Psalm was from Phoenix!

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    3. Psalm, KHuang, we're waiting for your posts. :)

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  17. Hello fellas.. no way we will fight against spurs..

    If .... Rockets beat the L.A WARRIORS will love to lose their last game.. So rox at 6th position Warriors at 7th.. because warriors love to play against spurs than denver..

    Or if the rox let the.L.A WIN They will lovely to play againts thunders..

    Ofcourse rockets will fight to.beat l.a Because they beated them before when yao ming is injured ...in that playoffs

    So lakers is in big trouble if the jazz will win their last game ..:):)

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  18. Lin Season nba 12/13 finish in the next game against Lakers
    because who think and wait play-offs Lin, will see only iso ball to Harden in 48 min of play e Lin getting in the corner of the court
    After has Parsons and the second team on the court
    Lin will never have the ball in their hands
    Lin needs to play a very lot against Lakers, to have any chance in the play-offs

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  19. Jonathan Feigen ‏@Jonathan_Feigen
    Harden seemed to struggle with r. knee after collision with Scola. Made 1 of 12 shots rest of way. Was unavailable for comment after game.
    [Harden] however, did not receive any treatment and showed no sign of any injury as he left. McHale said Harden said he was fine.
    10:40 PM - 15 Apr 13

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  20. this is jeremy's grade from bleachers report. the author probably didnt watch the game...

    Jeremy Lin had a hot first half, reminding Houston fans what Linsanity was last season.

    Unfortunately he cooled off, ending the night with 20 points on 8-of-19 shooting from the floor and 2-of-6 shooting from beyond the arc.

    Lin didn't turn the ball over a lot, which was a plus for him. But he did let Goran Dragic obliterate him nearly every play of the game on the offensive side of the ball.

    Dragic ended with 21 points and 14 assists, and while he certainly saved his best for last, Lin surely made dominating the game look easy for Dragic.

    It wasn't a great night for Lin, and it wasn't a terrible night for him either. It was just average, and that, shockingly, wasn't what the Rockets needed from him.

    Lin ended the evening with just four assists and three rebounds in addition to his poor defense and inefficient shooting.

    Overall Grade: C+

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    1. LOL. Boxscore-watching at its finest.

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    2. I wonder if people see how the PG in PHX is utilized vs how the PG in HOU is utilized...

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    3. The gameplan in the 1st quarter was to allow Dragic to drive into the defense of Omer Asik ... didn't work and McHale didn't make any adjustments except to take Jeremy out of the game.

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    4. I'd love for Lin and Dragic to switch places. The Suns' young rookie, Hunter, used to be a PG (former PGs are proven to be better coaches). I've read one interview of his about his coaching philosophy and I decided that the guy is very smart. He basically wants to scrap the existing coaching system that's been in place for a long time and tailor it to the current roster. His team could have had a better record once he took over (after some adjustment period), but I'm sure they tanked a number of road games on purpose, once they knew they weren't going to make the playoffs no matter what.

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  21. The stage is set, the stakes are high especially if Jazz win against Grizzlies, the whole world will be watching! Linsanity will rise and overcome whatever BS he has endured this season. The next day headline will be David(Lin) torched Goliath(Howard). Believe!!

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  22. Jeremy Lin ‏@JLin7
    Disappointed about the loss tonight but its all about perspective. #prayforboston
    10:55 PM - 15 Apr 13

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    1. As always...the voice of reason on the team. Yeah, I'll stop complaining for tonight.

      Goodnight! Count your blessings...it's a gift just to be alive.

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  23. James Harden is like a SG version of Amare Stoudamire. All Godly offensive numbers but non existent D. I hope just like Amare, teams will find out quickly that he's a player your team's result will improve without and his best role is as a sixth man. But I suspect the Rockets might be as dumb as the Knicks though. Max contract sixth man, lol.

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  24. AFTER JEREMY
    Jeremy Lin has shown, against many expectations, that he belongs in the NBA. What does he mean to the Asian-Americans who want to follow the trail he blazed?

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    1. It's not enough that Jeremy Lin belongs in the NBA ... he needs to be one of the best in order to make a legacy.

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  25. Really disappointed in this Rockets team tonight. Even more upset at McFail going with the ultra small ball lineup that failed vs. so many teams.
    I should have stopped watching in the 1st quarter when the Suns scored 40 points. Suns weren't looking to tank at all, and Harden didn't seem to care about anything but padding his own stats.

    So many times when the offense stagnated into everyone spread out and play one-on-one to score. Stupid McFail offensive schemes will be exposed come playoff time.

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  26. Jlin said there was lack of desire. Does that tell you something? Watch Jlin and McFail's post game interviews.
    I feel the coaches want to lose this game. Where was Asik @ 4th QTR? There was enough time to win the game. The starters came back very late. I don't think Dragic played that well. Rockets gave them the chance to shine! What were they thinking? 7th seed is what they want. Shouldn't they win this and lose next? Lakers is a lot better team than Suns.

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    1. Agree. I don't see the logic in their playing with lack of desire.

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  27. The thing that bothers me about this team in general is that it is the freaking end of the season and we still don't have SET rotation.

    It looks like McHale is still trying to figure stuff out. There is absolutely no basis for what he does. He just seems to coach on the fly.

    WTF has McHale been doing all season?

    This no structure system is not gonna work in the playoffs. Denver, SA or OKC, it doesn't matter. I wouldn't be surprised if we lose the last 6 games of the season to call it a year. Hopefully, that will be enough to get McHale fired..

    I'm really disgusted by this teams performance tonight. And I blame the coaching staff for not getting the players ready.

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  29. I was at the game, seated almost at courtside.

    I won't write much because people here have thoroughly covered the game. So here are my thoughts:

    - James Harden STUNK tonight. He was selfish, defenseless, and ineffective. PJ Tucker shut him down defensively and went right at Harden for score after score. Harden was the worst player for the Rockets tonight.

    - Jeremy Lin played a stellar game. He totally shut down Dragic after the 1st quarter, as Dragic did not score much against Lin later in the game. Jared Dudley had destroyed Harden in the 1st Suns meeting, and Lin destroyed Dudley this game.

    - The refereeing was pretty fair. There was one stretch in the 3rd quarter where Lin got bashed twice, but it wasn't bad overall.

    - Patrick Beverley got TOASTED today. Slow Kendall Marshall just attacked him and did whatever he wanted. Against Lin, Marshall got roasted on both ends.

    - The 2nd quarter lineup of Lin running with reserves is the Rockets' best unit.

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    1. It's late, so I'm not all that coherent.

      I attended the Brittney Griner draft party. She's a terrific player, but she'll have to work on her core strength. I think she's going to get bashed around in a way she's never known.

      When Jeremy Lin appears passive, it's because he's with the starters who are jamming each other on the perimeter. Delfino, Parsons, and Harden all want to catch the ball high and go iso to score. With the 2nd unit, veterans like Garcia stabilize the game.

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    2. Dude, looking forward to hearing more from you tomorrow.

      I was harsh on Lin tonight, being too passive but you have a point here:
      When Jeremy Lin appears passive, it's because he's with the starters who are jamming each other on the perimeter.

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    3. What realistically can be done between Lin/Harden/Parsons to make them play off each other better? It's been a problem all season unless one of the three defer their games and it's usually Lin followed by Parsons, every once in awhile.

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    4. The best solution IMO is to trade Parsons for a defensive minded SF. Rockets fans would say that Parsons was something like a defensive stopper in his rookie season. But the reality is that you can't tell a guy work on his offense and ballhandling and expand his role on offense and make him think he's some sort of a star and next turn him back again into a role playing defensive stopper.

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    5. Also Parsons is such a poor playmaker that I still don't understand why the Rockets use him as the man for the 2nd unit. Beverley too had only 1 assist in 3 games in over 50 minutes of playing time. What kind of backup PG is that and still playing so minutes lol.

      Morey would be dumb if he doesn't get a new starting PF, SF and a backup PG next season.

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    6. Yeah, KHuang. Tucker dominating Harden was so obvious that casual fans asked why Harden kept missing and kept on playing.

      And other Rockets players (TJones, Asik, etc.) kept missing easy putbacks.

      I'm also amazed how badly Bev faced Kendall Marshall. Harden did not fare well either, almost getting burned by Marshall backing him up and bit on the fake pass but Marshall missed the easy layup. It was so funny seeing Harden looked away thinking the ball was already passed :)

      Harden should not play much after the knee collision but idk who got the brilliant idea to keep playing him risking his playoff health.

      The Rockets just didn't want to win this game that bad.

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    7. psalm234, Patrick Beverley plays like this EVERY GAME.

      Kendall Marshall is a slow player with below average athleticism for the NBA. His court sense isn't that great either. Bit that guy totally befuddled Beverley and played him like a yo yo. marshall would do a weak head fake and Bev would go flying in that direction. Then Bev would scramble like crazy to recover, but it would be too late.

      I don't mind Lin's minutes, even in a game like this. And even Bev being that bad wasn't the main reason the Rockets lost.

      No, Harden was a BUST. He was the reason the Rockets didn't crush this weak Suns team. If I were coaching the Rockets, he'd not have come back onto the court after halftime.

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    8. it's certainly a very frustrating game to watch, KHuang.

      I kept saying in the 2nd half that if Harden sat down, Houston would have won easily.

      Everyone in the building knew that because Harden just couldn't make any shots. He was like the anti-Scola. Scola was money all the time.

      Harden must have been embarrassed with 0-7 3PT performance.

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  30. Jeremy's game is getting stronger towards the end of the season, whereas Harden's game is trending down. Some of it may be due to Harden playing 38 mpg vs 31 mpg last year. The fatigue of that much PT over a season may be adding up.

    My prediction for the playoffs: Harden has a poor playoffs and McHale is badly outcoached. I predict that Harden will revert to hero ball in the playoffs because he believes that gives the team the best chance to win. But the other team will be completely focused on shutting down Harden, and he seems fatigued and banged up now. He won't get as many easy foul calls in the playoffs.

    The opposing coach will make smart halftime adjustments, whereas McHale will not make the necessary halftime adjustments. And he'll still be randomly experimenting with rotations.

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  31. jaesonma ‏@jaesonma
    Linsanity private screening tonight in LA #linsanity @allenclu @arrowanafilms @ Regal LA LIVE Stadium 14
    http://instagram.com/p/YKH-eFlWcT/
    1:03 AM - 16 Apr 13

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  32. Bill Simmons and Zach Lowe discuss the Lakers' future in the wake of the devastating Kobe injury~
    31:00 - On Dwight going to Houston - "Super Doable."

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    1. Simmons always said things with an agenda. He is friend with Morey due to their Celtics connection and hates Lakers. I won't trust anything he said.

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  33. the turnovers were the most frustrating thing. at one stretch, harden turned the ball over on 3 consecutive possessions and mchale left him in there to continue throwing up bricks. that final 5 minutes in the fourth was a disgrace. Not ONCE did shuhow get to control the ball when initiating the offense during crunch time. they came out of the huddle when shuhow and harden checked back in shooting hot, but hero ball hogging killed them. Harden's lack of defense EVEN when his offense is struggling, coupled with his persistent turnovers (which i'm sure he only got credited for half of), coupled with the coach not trusting in shuhow's tiger blood clutch superabilities cost us the game and the 6th seed. Please trade shuhow to dantoni and let him explode. d12, metta, nash, healthy black mamba...please stay where you are.

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  34. What were the Rockets thinking losing this game?

    I just don't see the point!

    And it's frustrating reading the posts here... because it appeared it was a VERY WINNABLE GAME , if not again for the coaching mis steps... (which is nothing new :<)

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    1. oh yeah, i'm glad i didn't watch this game. :>

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    2. chan c, based on my observations watching the game in person, I think it was arguably intentional for seeding purpose. I'll share more later.

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    3. @psalm~ Maybe you can compare notes with KHuang later. [He was too tired to post more last night.] =)

      @chan c~ Aha saved yourself a whole lot of aggravation...

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    4. I felt that the Rockets were trying TOO HARD to win.

      When James Harden GETS SCARED, he goes into hero mode where he hogs the ball out of FEAR that the team can't win without him.

      The Rockets easily could've won this game not by 20, but by 30. They were killing the Suns with Lin in the game.

      By the way, the Phoenix crowd is VERY pro Lin. He was announced last in starting lineups and got a much louder crowd response than Harden.

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  36. kind of irritated earlier with my colleague blasting me with a task, but felt kinda better that I didn't watch the game in full concentration.I'll be kind of devastated if they go from 7th to 8th seed.Jeremy's hard work for the team tonight was taken for granted.

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  37. This was posted above but I'd like to make more people aware of @hans schwanz.

    The first post I saw by @hans schwanz said “Patrick Beverley is a retarded ape.” There were about 5 responses which ranged from “That is so wrong on so many levels.” to “Delete your post!”
    I was proud of the bloggers on this site: nobody took his bait. @hans schwanz’s response was, “Don’t get me wrong. I like Patrick Beverley! At least more than Harden.” And he deleted his post. A short while later, perhaps a day or two, there was another post by @hans schwanz again saying “Patrick Beverley is an ape.” This time he was mostly ignored. There was only one response and of course it was negative. Since then, @hans schwanz has made a few similar statements, mostly profane rants against James Harden. For the most part he was ignored. But last night he again posted, “Patrick Beverley jumps around like a monkey (that’s not racist)” and some more profanity about Harden, all embedded in some comments that many fans of Jeremy would agree with. Any further questions?

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    1. Dude dont try so hard. why can´t i dislike certain selfish and bad players( harden) and out of controll energy freaks like PatBev who gets the edge over Lin for jumping around like a monkey on the court. if you think thats racist, then well, suck it up. i also critisized the whitest of white guys in chandler parsons.
      Again i support 3 players more than any other. those three are LeBron James( even when everybody said he was a choker back in 2011,) Dwade and Jeremy Lin. I´m white myself so how can i be a racist if i support an asian and two black players more than any others? a i get it u arent allowed to dislike black players even if they act like selfish spoiled brats( harden). Thats racist right? pls GTFO

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    2. @Willy

      Appreciate your consistent voice of reason.

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    3. Consistent voice of reason?

      You mean willy-Americans-are-Nazis-and-Christians-worship-a-false-god-and-anyone-who-disagrees-with-me-is-a-hater-dilly?

      Are you freakin' serious?

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    4. @FanForLife

      Perhaps I haven't been following this site long enough to have seen the posts you're referring to. But in any case are you OK with @hans schwanz?

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    5. HS - very unlikely to be Asian - has already explained that his favorite players are a Chinese American and two African Americans. I liken people I dislike heartily to animals myself all the time regardless of their skin color.

      One of my biggest problems with America these days is a combination of its rampant political correctness, obsession with race and double standards therewith.

      1) Political correctness - a violent breach of the First Amendment. No one has a right not to have their feelings hurt. Plus, I've never understood why "monkey" or any other simian reference is a racial epithet against blacks. Monkeys are hyperactive, and if the word can be used to describe hyperactive whites or any other race, to exclude blacks from any such association is in and of itself a form of racism.

      2) Obsession with race - how about seeing ourselves all as members of the human race instead of according to our various complexions?

      3) Double standards - if it's not kosher to have a Congressional White Caucus, why is it perfectly okay for there to be a Congressional Black Caucus?

      It shouldn't be racist to point out that the black community has massive problems from unemployment to crime. Problems that will persist as long as the country refuses to co-opt blacks into mainstream America and instead continues to view them as needing special treatment because of some perceived inadequacies. That's real racism, if you ask me.

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    6. @FanForLife:

      Having your period again? I said YOU were the nazi. I never said all americans were nazis. If you think you are america -> thats possibly a sign of megalomania. Please see your shrink.

      BTW - I dont think you are a hater because you disagree with me. You are a hater because you constantly spread hatred and insult people. Google is my witness :)

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    7. @Jeremiah:

      Im asian and yet FanForLife claims Im a nazi. I have said many times that Im a catholic. And yet FanForLife claims that I hate christians. He/she/it thinks so because I questioned his/her/its understanding of the bible once (which is non existent).

      He/she/it thinks that free speech means that you can lie all you want. Like I have said before -> free speech doesnt cover hate-speech and also doesnt mean that you can lie all you want.

      Internet btw does not mean that you are anonymous :)

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    8. I forgot - I wouldnt wonder if it turned out that

      FanForLife = Hans Schwanz

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    9. "HS - very unlikely to be Asian"

      I never had any reason to think @hans schwanz was Asian. He even stated that he is white; but it’s not relevant anyway.

      "Political correctness - a violent breach of the First Amendment. No one has a right not to have their feelings hurt. Plus, I've never understood why "monkey" or any other simian reference is a racial epithet against blacks."

      No the US Constitution does not protect our feelings. It’s just a simple question of decency. I’ve never understood why “chink” or “chinaman” is a racial epithet against Chinese. But I would never use those words just the same. As an Ivy League graduate, I was sickened to learn that players and fans yelled those slurs at Jeremy when he played for Harvard. I also happen to think that Asian eyes are attractive. But they yelled at Jeremy, “Open your eyes!” Are you all for that too?

      "Obsession with race - how about seeing ourselves all as members of the human race instead of according to our various complexions?"

      That would be great.

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    10. @Jeremiah, do look up the past posts of willy-I-AM-PROUD-to call-Americans-Nazis-dilly if only to ascertain what a lying POS he is.

      As for han schwanz, of course, his race matters in this discussion. Some folks here often refer to Rox fans as rednecks. Seriously, why would rednecks, who supposedly don't like blacks or any non-whites, watch bball and put money in the pockets of mostly black guys? I don't get the leap of logic here.

      Unless HS is lying about being white and/or liking JLin, LBJ and Wade, one has to presume he's pretty color-blind, no?

      We shouldn't call people racist names because of our upbringing and education, not because PC or the law tells us not to. Hope you can see the distinction.

      I'm Chinese, and to me, "chink" is no more - or less - acceptable than "nigger", "cracker", "gook", "kike" or any other ethnic slur. Again, I wouldn't use any of those terms on anybody out of common decency, and not because it's not PC to do so.

      On a related issue, I don't get the concept of "hate crimes" either. If you kill somebody or vandalize their property, you're committing a crime - regardless of the motivation. Racially motivated pogroms, of course, are a different matter altogether.

      Back to Beverley: I don't think he can run the offense in any sustainable fashion, but I like his energy off the bench. If I didn't, though, I'd scream at my screen, "Stop monkeying around, Patrick." And that would have nothing to do with his skin color.

      I've had enough of this discussion. We may just have to agree to disagree.

      But please look up the Euro Nazi's posting history before ever referring to him again as "a consistent voice of reason." Barf.



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    11. hey fags i´m white and from Germany and i´m NOT FanforLife. Believe what u want and if u want to believe i´m a nazi, well then go with it. i mean i called a black player monkey for his way of playing i have to be a nzi don´t ? the fact that i support a asian player strongly and many many black players doesnt count at all does it? well keep being so insecure and write shit about me, i just keep posting things about jeremy and the rockets the way i see them. STOP BEING FUCKING INSECURE ABOUT RACE ON THIS SITE or at least stop flaming me.

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    12. Fanforlife even accused ME of being a Nazi!

      So not only does it say tha it hates any 5'5" Asian guy (probably not 5'5" Black or Arab or Hispanic guys), it also flings out Nazi accusations.

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    13. @hans schwanz,

      Hello to Germany! Welcome to THE Jeremy Lin fan site.

      Don't worry about the cry baby Lin haters. I respect people like you and others in this site that use your real name, even though you don't have to. There are definitely black troll people here who want to be perceived as Asians (particularly with misleading user names), thinking that would allow them to act like Lin hating trolls with impunity; and they try to occasionally post phony "pro Lin" posts, hoping they don't get kicked out, so that they can post more anti-Lin blurbs. LMAO.

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    14. The problem with the written word is that it's power is within its context. Our cultural reference teaches us to read "black - monkey" to mean something in context very derogatory. The cultural context of those words may have no ill intent in Germany. Even Lin got the " fortune cookie- head shot" treatment from MSG. They may have it as a reference to the good fortune of the Knicks to have cracked opened a case of whopass with Lin, but it was racially insensitive all the same to asians.

      I remember this few lines from a college class and it shows how powerful reference is in the use of words.

      Oh John let's not park here,
      Oh John let's not park
      Oh John let's not
      Oh john let's
      Oh John
      Oh

      If you read it backwards and take away the context of the previous line, those words take on totally different meanings.

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    15. @Jeremiah

      FYI if you're still around, KHuang above is BFFs with willy-we-Europeans-have-been-killing-Jews-for-MILLENNIA-but-Americans-are-the-Nazis-dilly.

      I totally despise this Benedict Arnold, as I do any American who whines about unfair treatment from mainstream America when they not only do not have their compatriots' back but actually cheer on foreigners who viciously libel Americans.

      And, hey, stop the presses: short people, like ugly people, are unattractive without a good heart or lively personality to compensate for their shortcoming.

      Read KHuang's posts and the many flame wars he's initiated on this site and you'll see what I mean.

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    16. @Bob C F Chan

      You Fox News hating (don't think I've forgotten that from one of your first posts here) liberals with your political correctness run amuck will be the creative death of America.

      Notice Hollywood rarely produces anything these days but retreads and blood & gore that's feeding a culture of violence among the young and impressionable?

      So many other movie capitals of the world are outdoing Tinseltown with works that actually address social themes full-bore because, unlike their liberal-infested counterpart in the US, they're not constrained by: "Oh em gee, what if this word or that phrase offends someone, somewhere among the global population of 7 billion?!!!"

      Trust me, a little less sensitivity among your ilk would go a long way to restoring America's health in more ways than one.

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    17. So you do hate short people of all colors, FanforLife.

      I was under the impression that you hated just short Asian guys, the ones you say have "inferior genes".

      Do you also hate short WOMEN, Fanforlife?

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    18. By the way, Fanforlife, you're getting laughed at here because you are EVIL.

      You hate short people.
      You hate ESPECIALLY short ASIAN people (you sound RACIST to me, troll).

      I think you are hilarious.
      I love twisting you around like a yo yo doing stunts.
      I love how you are quaking with fear at revealing your gender.

      It's so awesome that you're a self punching bag, kicking your own butt.

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    19. If you say so, Benedict "TJones WILL GET EXPOSED/Jeremy Lin's game HAS NO HOLES" Arnold. LOL.

      Between yourself and willy-antisemites-can-always-count-on-us-Europeans-to-vote-against-Israel-at-the-UN-dilly, you're determined to turn this site into a loonybin, aren't you?

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    20. "Jeremy Lin HAS NO HOLES in his game."

      This right after Doc mentioned SOME of the weaknesses that Lin will be addressing in the off-season.

      That anyone should think that a 24-year-old in only his third season had "no holes" in his game...is this real life?

      SMH.

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    21. I've said this before and I'll say it again: what you repeatedly demonstrate is the certitude of the invincibly stupid.

      Your fondness for FULL CAPS - which I like to parody - merely serves to clinch the deal.

      LOL.

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    22. Folks on this board who're not laughing their heads off at "Jeremy Lin HAS NO HOLES in his game" really have no use for those heads anyway.

      Anyone who thinks Lin is the finished article as an NBA player at this embryonic stage of his career really has no business following pro bball, much less comment on it.

      Four posts later, and I still don't have the words to adequately express your lunacy.

      Just get a job already, k?

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    23. Nobody sides with you, troll.

      Stew in your own hatred.

      Meanwhile, we'll continue to twist you against yourself.

      FLAME ON!

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    24. You're the most hateful, evil, prejudiced, and worst troll I have ever seen on this forum - and you're PROUD OF IT FanforLife.

      Male or female or other, you are UGLY.

      I want you to live up to your evil by firing as much hatred as you can against me and everybody that agrees with me. Give in to your anger and FIRE at everybody that you hate, troll.

      You will obey me, just as you always have.

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    25. "...we'll continue to twist you against yourself."

      Who's "we"?

      Oh, I forgot...your phantom friends and willy-Know-any-good-Israeli-company-I-can-boycott?-dilly.

      LOL.

      Hands up, those of you who agree with KHuang that "Jeremy Lin HAS NO HOLES in his game."

      This ought to be good. Should put to rest if you REALLY (as opposed to "on your loony planet") have any supporters as well as if there are more than 2 wackadoodles on this board.

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    26. "You will obey me, just as you always have."

      Truth to tell, you're doing fine on your own to come across as a loony toony ULTIMATE FONT OF KNOWLEDGE ON EVERYTHING NBA IN THE WORLD.

      Still, happy to help. LOL.

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  38. I hope Leslie Alexander is closely watching these last few games including the playoff games and decides that he needs a new coach for the next season.

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  40. maybe it is combo of things: McHale giving him more minutes and plays him as a PG, or Jeremy asserting himself on the offensive end and his shots. Whatever it is, Jeremy is making him more valuable and a triple three with Parsons, Harden. Starting to like it. Wait till off season and the rockets mess it up by trading for an all star guard...lol. nah...a power forward obv is our biggest hole. Smith isn't the answer...but I always liked TJ before during the preseason.

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  41. Hi everyone,

    A funny video poking fun but also celebrating JLIN's successes. Posted April 9th so some of you have probably already seen it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laFr3llLUNY

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  43. Personal In-Game Experience
    The one thing that didn't appear on TV was the lack of urgency in the huddle during the 4th. I kept watching their body language and they were all so nonchalant unlike the last game where Lin especially got upset with so many fouls being ejected from the game. Others also looked so down the last time but not at the end of this game.

    Lin was dangerously too dominating in the 2Q because he can get to the rim anytime he wants to. Noone in the Suns can keep up with him. And no shotblockers.

    So don't lose your sleep over this loss :) Lin was like weapons of mass destruction not being unleashed in this game!

    Lin was his usual super-fast. My goodness, it was so apparent sitting behind the basket that he was just racing to the basket while the Suns were like doing slow-motion around him. He can do it anytime he wants to or being told to in the 4th to get fouls, stop the clock and get points.

    But I was so bored watching this game because there was no fire and teamwork from Houston to really try to win this game. I probably won't watch the last few games in person again because you never know about the playoff implications. It was still fun going to games with friends and getting free T-Shirts being thrown from the court :) I got the last one thrown directly to me. Also game-worn warm-up jerseys from raffles from the game bulletin. One guy in front


    Like I said, a ho-hum game but it's great to see that Lin can always be dominating with his speed out there. And he looked confident with his shooting. So it's just a matter of how McHale chooses to use him in the playoff. I believe Harden would be the 1st option but if it doesn't work, Lin will be the 2nd option (or 3rd after Parsons :) you never know haha

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  44. Personal Game Analysis
    Well, it's a ho-hum game by the Rockets and the best way to summarize is Rockets did NOT TRY HARD to win this game .

    After watching the game flow in person, I felt it's a weirdly coached game where you got the feeling that Houston can win this easily any time they want to but whenever Harden came back, you knew Houston would lose the lead.

    There were no urgency at the end of the game to make the push to win the game like the last time Houston was visiting and lost 105-107.
    1. Where was Asik (14 min) who can easily prevent 11 offensive rebounds (7 by Dragic and Tucker who are PGs!)? And the Suns don't play their centers (Hamdadi). I don't think Scola missed even one all night long (actually 11-16 FGM/A) with 15 rebounds!!
    2. Why played Parsons/Bev-led lineup in the 4th quarter which increased the Suns lead from 5 (85-90) in the beginning of the 4th to 8 points lead (101-109) before bringing back Lin and Harden with ONLY 4:52 left?
    3. Why let the offense flowed through a struggling Harden with heavy brace on his knee after the collision with Scola in the 1st? (I know this is not a strong argument because it happens every game with the Rockets) .
    And the Rockets can win easily if they want to:
    4. In the 2Q, Lin-led team easily made 27-11 run and took a 5pt lead (55-50) with 4:50 left but Harden took over with bad defense on Tucker and kept missing his shots so the Suns made their own 17-6 run in the last 4:50 to be trailing 6 pts (61-67).
    Note:
    - Harden actually checked in with 6:15 left with (50-50 as the score) but did not demand the ball until 4:50 so he didn't do his damage yet .
    - I remember distinctly whispering to my son's ear when Harden was about to check in , "Watch how quickly Harden will make the Suns get 5pt lead". It was actually 6 but the good thing is my son looked at me like a prophet now :D

    So I knew when Parsons and Beverley played the majority of 4th quarter that Houston will most likely lose the game. And bringing back Lin with Harden with 4:52 left just meant nothing because Harden did not have it at all after his knee skirmish with Scola's. There was just giant black holes for Tucker to get offensive rebounds over and over again.

    I actually thought McHale would give a try for the Parsons/Bev/TJones team to get playing team and see if they can win the game. But McHale sobered up so he won't have to answer the questions about giving the game to the Suns so he brought Harden and Lin back in.

    So Houston did NOT try to win hard in order to avoid Denver as the 6th vs 3rd seed matchup. I actually understand this logic so I'm not mad about it. But let's see if their date with OKC or Spurs will be better as GSW is also deathly afraid of Denver (1W-3Losses record during the season, the Win was a 1pt close win at home, 106-105)

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    1. I will never understand Mchale's need to play Bev/Parsons so long in the 4th. This has been a consistent theme we've seen all season. It's not gonna change in the play offs unless Lin proves his worth by playing like a GOD or Parsons/Harden get injured.

      The more I think about it, the more pissed I get. Like really pissed. You have two great playmakers on the team but you bench them at the same time for Bev/Parsons, 2 inferior playmakers?

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    2. Wow psalms, it was worth thr price of tickets just to earn those extra brownie points from your son. That's so cool.

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    3. Exactly, k.smith. I understand Parsons needs some PT coming back from 4 game absence to get ready for playoff.

      But to pair Parsons/Bev for most of 4Q (8 min)?
      It didn't feel Rockets seriously wanted to win this game for me. I was ready to go home but wanted to get some free T-shirts :)

      Yes, Bob :) I got Harden to thank for making me look so cool in front of my son. Hahaha... Definitely worth the ticket price!

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    4. I saw it differently.

      McHale and the Rockets badly wanted to win this game.

      James Harden was so bad, it made everybody around him look terrible. So McHale played Bev and the "hot hand" in Parsons in the 4th. Of course, that backfired horribly and predictably.

      Lin tried to get the Rockets to play as a team, but Harden CHOKED and went rogue.

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    5. McHale might have wanted badly to win with Harden but it failed miserably.

      The 2nd quarter was really mind-boggling because Lin-led team easily got up by 5 pts but the second Harden became actively getting involved, they quickly lost the lead again to trail by 6.

      Either McHale:
      1. had an agenda of only playing Lin with Harden so Lin would defer to Harden and won't go off so he blinded himself that Harden should be the unquestioned leader
      2. or he got the direction to play Parsons-led 2nd team in 4Q.

      Why do you think McHale didn't bench Harden, KHuang? Wasn't that odd because he did bench Harden (along with Lin and other starters) before in the Memphis road game so he wasn't afraid to bench the starters.

      It's almost like McHale didn't want Lin to go off in the game when Harden was struggling OR they just didn't want to win so badly.

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    6. wow thanks for game insights KHuang and psalm.

      @psalm - I assume you gave the shirt to one of your boys :)

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    7. sure, IsabeliJane :)

      Yes, the shirt is for them although they could care less about wearing the big shirt. They just like winning free stuff like the rest of people there :D

      And my wife likes the grocery gift card, perhaps $5 worth but hey it's free! Always fun getting free stuff.

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    8. Mchale's problem is that he doesn't understand that selfish hero ball doesn't work in today's NBA.

      That's why he loves his two "heros", Parsons and Harden.

      "Heros" contribute mightily to losing games. Just look at the Lakers who have always underachived due to Kobe Bryant's ballhogging.

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    9. Appreciate the first-hand info, guys. [And other insights this convo might lead to.]

      psalm~ Glad your kids' had a fun night! [Make up for the last time.] =)

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    10. In the first quarter, I saw Lin DEFYING McHale.

      There was a ball stoppage. McHale yelled something at Lin - probably "move the ball". Lin threw his arms up at McHale and shouted something right back.

      Lin and McHale seem to have tuned each other out.

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    11. Thanks, via :) It sure was a little better.

      KHuang, I think we're in agreement that until McHale sees that the Rockets would win big when he trusts Lin as the main floor general, we would see this type of ISO-selfish hero ball from the Rockets.

      McHale certainly has a big blinders on when looking at Jeremy's true potential as the PG.

      Until then, let the experiment to make Harden and Parsons as the main PGs continue.

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  45. @psalms234
    It's incredible how my mind keeps replaying that transcendent moment when your son looked up at you like you were a prophet. I may be a romantic but it is those fleeting moments that last an eternity. It is so fleeting that our society ignores its significance in our spiritual bonding. We have lost our sense of wonder and to recognize the beauty and magic of our lives.

    Phil Jackson said in his book " more than a game" how when 10 players play in the purity and spirit of the game, that it elevates it into something magical. When you say that the game is boring when Harden stops the flow of the game he is in fact sting the flow of that magical part of basketball. When we watch Lin go into linsanity mode, we can feel the electricity flowing between his teammates. I can still remember the joy in the faces of His Knicks teammates as they formed an extra sensory ability to feel each others movements. That's magical. As a Lin fan, I watch in awe at how he is able to create that spiritual bonding to work together for a common purpose.

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    1. Bob, it probably was not as romantic like in a movie the way you imagined it :)

      I asked him and he didn't say I'm a prophet but he did say I'm usually right in that kind of thing, haha. So mission is still accomplished. A father-son bonding is definitely important.

      And you said it well. Linsanity team ball was what captured a lot of people to fall in love with basketball again. I could say wow when I see individual moves but when a team moves the ball, sharing without ego, that's something else to appreciate. Lin certainly has that gift.

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  46. McHale's definition of move the ball - all 5 guys swinging the ball from player to player. Assumes all 5 have the ability to find the one open guy for the best shot. The problem with this method is there are too many PGs. San Antonio does a good job of this when they swing the ball around the perimeter.

    My definition of move the ball is like a yo-yo. The PG passes it to player A. If player A can score easily or find player B for open shot, then player A should do so, else pass the ball back to the PG and start again. The PG should be able to demand a return pass if the player A sees nothing. The PG should also be able to dribble the ball longer to let plays develop. McHale hates this and thinks it is mindless dribbling. In out passing requires a solid big to make it work. San Antonio also do this well because Duncan is an inside threat and can pass out.

    Houston just needs to balance more of the latter with the former. And if neither works and youre getting down to the buzzer have an iso guy to bail you out.

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