vs Steph Curry head to head:
JLin Steph
Wins 2 1
Ppg 21 21
Asts 7.7 8.0
TO's 1.3 2.0
+/- +26 -8
fg% .51 .47
3p/3pa 8/15 8/21
All this while being the 3rd option on his team. I just wanted remind everyone as it's easy to forget some of the very good things he did this season.
Wow.Wish they are on a same team.Curry is fortunate to have a coach that believes in him.
ReplyDeletecause he can ball
DeleteHi Via. U need to repost that hidden cam of Lin practicing going to his left yesterday in practice so more peole can see. It's really fascinating to watch. He looked really explosive. Doesn't seem to be hurting at all. Perhaps he will play tonight.
ReplyDeleteI kinda wishes that the coach underneath the basket would start wailing Lin on the chest with that padded stick so he can test out the chest strain and simulate game conditions. But I guess that could end up looking like the coaches are punishing Lin so perhaps not a good idea.
Where do u find these gems? Appreciate the strong work.
:) @Solidz
Delete[He does look good...]
JLIN @ PRACTICE
[Lin Jimm]
Nice work via!!!
Delete:)@Stu
DeleteThanks to this uploader.
Hrm...Is it just me or is his dribble a lil higher than usual?
DeleteLooks like Jeremy's trying to see if he can finish more with his left hand in Game 5.
DeleteHe missed that layup against Durant because he was still using his right hand/arm, but if he can at least hit a few layups with his left, it would really help the team. I think he'll dress and be ready but won't play unless Bev and/or Brooks is in foul trouble (or just stinking it up).
Man he is really fast. BTW, why is there so many ppl think he dribble the ball too high?
Deletegreat find as usual, via!
DeleteDribble to high? It seemed pretty low when driving to the basket.
Perhaps it was only high when standing around.
Hopefully we'll get more update about shooting right-handed today.
Yeah, but he really needs to work on finishibg wiith the left hand. There was one miss that was horrible.
DeleteBut his drives to the basket look good
Let's hope after this summer, he will dunk with the left hand.
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DeleteI have NEVER bought the haterade about Lin's alleged inability to go left or finish on the left side.
DeleteAny player that can drive to the basket at will, elevate against the NBA's best shotblockers, and pull off a Michael Jordan or Dr J up-and-under double clutch layup doesn't NEED any more improvement on his left hand. There are plenty of guys in the NBA who can't finish in traffic with EITHER hand, and Lin's playing with two guys like that in James Harden and Patrick Beverley!
Besides, Lin has finished plenty with his left and is just as deadly a threat going left as he is right.
I have watched the NBA too long to have my wits scrambled by anti Asian media trolls writing senseless BS about how Lin can't go left or finish left. Just because the media trolls Lin doesn't mean Lin has any trouble going left!
"Let's hope after this summer, he will dunk with the left hand."
DeleteI'd be happy if he dunks more often, period. While you don't get more points for a dunk vs a layup, a dunk sends a message: Get out of my way, I will destroy you! It also energizes your team and crowd.
Lin goes left all the time and does it well. He just needs to work on finishing in traffic with his left hand. He can do it expertly with the right, but he's merely okay with the left right now.
DeleteIt's funny, Stephen Curry was groomed to be an NBA starting point guard since Day 1. His father is NBA legend Dell Curry, the Warriors drafted him very high, to eventually replace Monta Ellis in the lineup. Curry has been put in a position to succeed, with a team thatis built around him.
ReplyDeleteCompare this to JLin who grew up the son of an electrical engineer. Did not get any scholarships. Was not drafted. And has to play 2nd or 3rd option to James Harden.
See the difference ?
It does seem that Lin is not being used to his full potential. But he has a career of ten years ahead of him barring injury. It will be fascinating to see which team can use his best skillset to combine with the team and get close to winning a championship.
DeleteIt's not that easy to win and you're truly lucky to be in a team that uses your potential AND win. Just ask Dwight Howard. Lin has had moderate expectations and is probably happy to come thru this season without a major injury.
Lin's father Lin GieMing is no ordinary father.
DeleteLin Gieming is actually a true basketball dad, a legitimate NBA youth coach who taught his sons how to play by going to the gym and working on moves.
Lin's father tutored Lin so well that Lin was always ahead of everyone else in team practices.
Jeremy Lin's father was not a basketball pro like Stephen Curry's father, but Gie Ming Lin did a great job grooming his son for NBA basketball. Can't take anything away from Gie Ming there.
plus, every professions are difficult if you are competing with the best in the bussiness. I am more amazed on how his parent somehow helped him to keep the desire to continue what things are falling apart.
DeleteHaving an ex NBA player as a dad does help with networking like any other profession in the real world.
DeleteMore than anything, Stephen Curry's pure shooting reminds people of his dad's success so he's given more benefit of the doubt and passes even with glass-ankle injuries, chosen over Monta Ellis, allowed to have OK defense.
It just means Curry has more opportunities than Lin. Definitely not Curry's fault. I'm glad they're friends and Lin made the most of his opportunities.
He could have been out of the NBA last year or played in Russia next to Bev!
If Lin were any other race than Asian with his exact same game, he'd have been a starting NBA point guard who's averaged 20 points and 10 assists for 3 seasons straight.
DeleteEven Steph curry fought hard to get his place in NBA. At the very beginning, on draft day, a person from espn told the warriors was crazy to sign curry so high cause he was skinny and not so tall and athletic. His work ethic brought him here and the fact his father was a NBA player added pressure. If you watch his own videos on his own youtube channel you'll find what i'm telling you.
DeleteI started following him cause he's friend of jeremy. He's succeeding cause his coach... It would be great to see him back in golden state and with a backcourt partner like Steph ... I think they perfectly gel each other... Who knows?
I do not think Lin will want to start from the bench again tho. Curry's starting position is not touchable.
DeleteThat's what i'm talking about:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSnpPWZFv6o&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Have a look.
Lin shouldn't come off the bench... It's klay thompson who should do that or whoever.... I was just building castles in the sky...
I agree with ABC baller's remark above. IMO Curry knows it within himself too that in different circumstances he is still not better than Lin. He sees Lin not just a friend but also as serious rival probably for the rest of his career. If you guys could remember during the regular season just how much irritated Curry was when every single time he got beaten by Lin one on one. NBA wants Curry to succeed while others want Lin to fail
ReplyDeleteU think curry is not playing better than Lin?
DeleteAs to NOW, Curry is playing better than Lin but only due to way better circumstances. Curry is not injured, have the ball in his hand most of the time, have way more plenty good plays or sets to set him free, his teammates are much better talent wise and not as selfish or trying to take away the spotlight away from him, he is loved and protected by the organization and NBA which will only increase his confidence.
DeleteI PERSONALLY think that deep down Curry knows it that in an ideal world where Lin is not crucified by his race, personality, or other stereotypes, that Jeremy will be the starting point guard and he will be on the bench instead.
They both have strengths and weaknesses. Lin I believe is the superior passer with better vision, better athlete, defender and court general.
DeleteCurry has better handles and is probably the best shooter in the NBA right now. I don't see Lin ever reaching Curry's level in that department. Curry averaged 45% from beyond the arc this season while breaking the NBA single season 3-point record.
You could not be further from the truth Rikki M. You are severely underestimating curry shooting abilites. He is probably the BEST shooter in the NBA now and he will only get better.
DeleteNearly 50% of his 3's taken are off the dribble. That is outstanding.
Also I don't understand why so many on this forum think people want Lin to fail. Help me understand your logic in this.
Shooting
DeleteCurry >>>>> Lin
PG play
Lin >> Curry
Defense
Lin > Curry
Overall
Curry >> lin
That's only in your mind, Solidz75z.
DeleteLin is a better player on BOTH ends of the court than Stephen Curry.
If Lin got the same screens and usage and plays that Curry gets, Lin would be the best point guard in the NBA by a WIDE margin.
With all due respect, Curry should think he's the best. Whether Curry recognizes Lin is good is not important, but it's crucial that Lin recognize that he is good and just do it and keep improving.
DeleteKhuang,
DeleteOnly in a person's mind? The same can be said of your assessment of Jlin bball abilities.
With that being said what Solidz75z is saying is backed by numbers and is plain to see.
Lin and curry can play together. Anyway it's stupid try to compare them. It's like compare john stockton and reggie miller
DeleteWhat's plain to see, Jlin fan, is that Curry is being utilized more in Golden State's offense than Lin is being utilized in Houston's.
DeleteWhen Lin got the screens and plays in NY, he was a more impactful player than Stephen Curry.
I seriously doubt Stephen Curry could play Lin's role better than Lin plays it.
One thing for sure. Lin will never shoot as well as curry. Lin has to make it up on the other end - which he does as I pointed out.
DeleteMy assessment is a fair evaluation of Lin. The only way Lin can overtake curry is to shoot much better. I don't care about picks or no picks,. The fact of the matter is lin misses or passes up a lot of open looks. Lin is at bestt an average shooter right now.
Spotless mind,
DeleteHow is it stupid to compare them? Lin and Curry are both point guards.
Reggie miller was a shooting guard who never averaged more than 4 assists per game, Curry has never averaged less than 5.
Curry strength is his unbelievable shooting and ability to on and off the ball. He has a very quick release and can hit the deep shot even with a defender tight on him.
Anyway with Jlin being in his current situation can only help him grow as a player. Being forced to learn to play off the ball at times and improve his shooting can only give him more tools to be a better basketball player.
Khuang,
DeleteI agree that Curry is utilized much more in GSW offense compared to Lin on the Rockets.
On Lin though, do you see the merit of him playing a lesser role? He can learn to shot better, play off the ball, know when to cut to the basket and etc etc.
Lin of course has had some fantastic games this season with Harden.It is extremely disappointing that he is he is injured during the playoffs.
Solidz75, you can disregard NBA picks and playcalling if you want in your effort to elevate Curry and trash Lin.
DeleteHowever, that's not how the NBA works.
Stephen Curry has tons of plays and usage run for him every game. Basketball is a 5 man sport and nothing any one guy does on the court happens without the other 4 guys cooperating. Anybody who's watched a Golden State game knows that Curry's teammates are actively searching him out and setting picks for him, unlike Lin who often doesn't even get a pick when he asks for one and shoots the majority of his jumpers at the end of the shot clock with pressure.
By the way, Stephen Curry was suffering under Keith Smart too. Keith Smart had Curry playing a secondary role not unlike Lin's, and people were criticizing Curry for bad shooting and weak overall play on a lottery team.
Coaching is very important in the NBA. How a coach utilized a player does influence how that player performs, and that's why I shake my head at your notion that screens and plays don't matter when it comes to criticizing Lin's 50% shooting since the All Star Break.
Look at how many open looks lin misses or passes up during the course of a game. Everytime I see that, I wanna kick my dog off the table.
DeleteForget the picks. If Lin made majority of those open shots, he would probably able to close the gap in shooting discrepancy. Whether eye test or statistically speaking, Lin is not a great shooter - especially when u compare him to Lin.
Lin's shooting has always been his Achilles heel especially when he's tired. - this has been admitted by Lin himself.
The good thing is shooting is something Lin can easily improve (he needs to stop being afraid to shoot and want to shoot like parsons).. And honestly I can't see curry being a better shooter than he is now.. So if Lin's shooting does improve, it would be possible for Lin to surpass curry in the future.
Btw.. For all of you crazy PETA members, I'm kidding about the dog. I just do it to my hamster.
DeleteHow DENSE are you, Solidz75?
DeleteIf Michael Jordan demanded and needed constant picks to score, why should you expect Lin to score without them?
Why are picks useless in your mind? Don't you realize that NBA teams actually RUN PLAYS that utilize picks, especially for a guy like Stephen Curry that cannot create for himself off the dribble unlike Lin who doesn't even need a pick to get past doubleteams?
And why do you criticize the Rockets coaching but then say that it has zero impact on Lin's shooting?
What Curry did this year is that he showed where he plays in a system that supports him and gives him lots of PT, Curry can excel. Nothing more and nothing less. Lin has also shown that in such a system, he can play well also, but the difference is Lin did it for 10 to 14 games during Linsanity, while Curry did it for the entire season. I would take the entire season over 10 to 14 games. But since Lin has played "pretty decently" during 82 regular season games, I know Lin can at least be an average NBA player. It's just that I don't like projecting stuff by imagining; I want to be shown. For all I know, if Lin is given the similar support by his team, he may just get better numbers than Curry, I do admit that this is a possibility. But I want to be shown.
DeleteI don't understand y khuang is so angry. Am I wrong when I point out that Lin misses or passes up a lot of open looks, that he will be a great player when he starts making those shots ? Am I bad mouthing Lin by saying that as of now curry is a better player because he is a much better shooter?
DeleteEven Lin himself would admit these deficiencies in his game. And I'm sure by recognizing these deficiencies and working on them, Lin will become a better player.
If Lin had khuang's attitude and believed himself to be the elite pg of the league and blames the system he works in as well as his teammates, is that the attitude y would want for Lin to have?
What i wanted to say is it's quite obvious Steph curry shoots better than Lin cause he played off ball for more years and in my opinion curry is like Ray allen, is more a sg.
DeleteBut i agree with Khuang that jeremy has a major impact on the game cause he can turn his teammates in all star. In ny jeremy made a great run with a bunch of bench players and rookies and sophomores.
Both curry and Lin could play together and be one of the best backcourt ever. Curry could save his ankles and try to beat Ray allen 3s record and jeremy could run the team and distribute the ball and play like he wants.
Spotless mind,
Deleteread my posts earlier, on Curry and Lin. Curry does have the ability to shoot deep range like a sg, but he certainly does not play like one.
He passes the ball well and gets his teammates involved. The ray allen comparison is only that they both shoot the 3 very well, other then that they are different players from top to bottom.
Even Ray allen was a combo guard at the very beginning. I think curry could only benefit in having Lin as backcourt partner. That's it.
DeleteThanks JLinfan#1 for always sharing your OBJECTIVE perspective! :)
ReplyDeleteHow can someone who's herself #1Jlinfan can be considered objective?
DeleteLook, having similar stats playing against Curry does not mean Lin played just as well as Curry for the season. So, I knew already Lin played very well against Curry because I watched all his games against Curry this year; but what's more interesting to me is whether Lin can play at a higher level like Curry during playoffs. Why? Because I already know Lin is a good player during regular season. Curry has a more variety in his offensive game plus a pure shooting form which means he can score at any time, any place. Curry also moves better without the ball. I have no idea whether Lin is forced to stand in the corner or it's his choice, but Curry seems to have a knack for scurrying here and there to get enough space for his 3 pointers. Basically, Curry is a Novak who can move and also drive and also pass -- a very dangerous offensive weapon.
DeleteBecause jlinfan#1 uses actual stats and analysis to DEBUNK wrongass statements like your incorrect belief that Lin can't go left.
DeleteLin is better at fast breaks when he has the ball. He's also, I think, a better passer and a rebounder and defender. Maybe slightly better finisher at the rim.
Deleteat solidz75, not eb5attorney.
DeleteSolid, taking your statement further, your statement might apply to all posters, since we like Lin. I guess for truly objective viewpoints, we need to consult a disinterested 3rd parties who don't even know who Lin is, which might be hard.
DeleteKHuang, I knew you were responding to Solid, not me. It's also okay to cut me down. The sole point I am trying to make is that this comparison just means Lin played well against GSW and Curry, nothing more or less.
DeleteI'm not interested in cutting you down, eb5attorney.
DeleteThere was nothing in your post I disagreed with. Why would I disagree with you there?
Lin and Curry have vastly different roles, but that doesn't mean Lin could not succeed if he were given the same privileges and usage that all other starting PGs and a great many backups have over Lin.
Lin will have a successful future in the playoffs. He was doing fine in Game 2 until injury knocked him out.
U can data mine all u want to make a player look better or worse and fit your needs... I don't believe in abject objectivity.. especially on a fansite.
DeleteI was very disappointed to find out Lin was injured after the first half. Never to play a full playoff game this year would stink.
DeleteThen what are you posting on this rabid Lin fan site for, Solidz75?
DeleteIf you're getting angry that the numbers are DEBUNKING your fantasies about Lin's weaknesses, then what the heck are you doing in this place?
Just to annoy the hell out if you khuang. By the way you are screaming, I must be doing an excellent job... **pats himself on the head**
DeleteIf I may speak for Solid, which I probably shouldn't, I don't think Solid is mad at any data. He's just saying selective data mining exists everywhere. For example, we can use Lin's numbers at playoff game number 1 to argue that Lin stinks in playoff games.
DeleteIt seems to me that the data was posted to suggest that Lin is just as good basketball player as Curry, but I doubt that data proves anything like that. It just shows Lin played just as well as Curry, as Curry played against Lin. No more, no less. It's like saying an average pro tennis player played just as well as Federer when they played against each other for 1 set.
Oh, I see Solidz75.
DeleteYou're just TROLLING then.
Got it.
And and let me get this clear. I'm no way implying that I'm objective either.
DeleteBut all stats are flawed. U have consider everything in totality. And then know how to interpret it wisely.
Fir example, When Morey uses his "advanced stats"to claim that there is little drop off whether Lin or bev is in the game - is he right?
I'm annoying you because you know its the truth and u guys can't handle it.
DeleteReally? I am trolling because I said Lin doesn't shoot well? That really bugs the hell out of u guys?
I'm sorry that I don't share your view that Lin is not an elite player yet, that having to play without the ball has shown that he needs to improve his shooting.
Don't be so sensitive. Relax.
Lydia, instead of ust pointing out that I'm annoying you, tell me exactly what I said about lin that is so bothersome.
DeleteI feel like unless I hold hands with khuang and the rest of his hivemind and sing kumbaya, I'm gonna get attacked.
Let's summarize:
I said Lin is a better pure pg than curry
Said Lin is a better defender than curry
Said curry is better shooter than Lin
Said Lin misses or hesitates a lot on open looks.
Said if Lin improves his shooting, he can be on par with it even better than curry because Lin has room to improve and curry likely can't shoot any better.
Tell me, anyone from the hivemind, what I said was so blatantly wrong to deserve so much hate from you.
You guys and gal are fighting for something really not very important. We all have different takes on how Lin performed so far. It is just not debatable because we all use different performance metrics.
DeleteOkay let me clarify. Curry is a born shooter. His strokes are sooo natural, so effortless. Some people are just beautiful shooters - like Novak.
DeleteSo just as curry will Never have the court awareness and vision that Lin has, I don't think Lin can ever get to that stage of having a shooting stroke as natural as curry
Heck, as good as lebron is, he will never be a pure shooter like curry.
Now does that mean Lin can never be better than curry. Only if one is judged solely by shooting. But Lin plays the pg position better and just because he will never shoot like curry doesn't mean he will never be a better player.
Seriously people don't wanna take any criticisms about Lin here and get all defensive calling people dense or trolling or flaming because we refuse to be assimilated into Khuang collective hivemind.
Solidz75, you're on a Lin fanboard.
DeleteWHADDYA EXPECT when people criticize Lin's game and SMARTER folks DEBUNK them??
Lin does run fast breaks beautifully though.
DeleteMorey, McHale, Sampson Perhaps Harden
ReplyDeleteare determined to marginalize Lin to the extreme but there are only 2 years left on Lin's contract. I don't think Lin would then go back to Houston. There are other teams who can offer a starting spot for Lin.
Now Lin has opportunity to train up his left hand. God do bless Lin in some special way.
I'll follow Jeremy Lin ups or downs. There's no going back. I'm definitely not Rox fan because of so much unfairness. The hero ball is absolutely disgusting. If Harden want to be the leader. He has to earn it on the court. As far as this season, it's given to him unconditionally. He failed or flopped disastrously. Leader of what, TOs!!
nobodody is going to give him a starting job maybe in Europe
Deleteimho, from Rockets coaching staff seems like only Chris Finch believes on how talented Jeremy is, how much of an asset he is for Rockets.
ReplyDeleteThe reason that the Rox has an edge on Golden States is because of Jeremy Lin.
ReplyDeleteWhen Lin was shackled, the Rox lost in bundles.
he is over rated
DeleteGroan, another DUMBASS TROLL in eric s.
DeleteThese trolls just don't know their basketball worth jack s---.
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DeleteDon't worry KHuang, eric is obviously very interested in what Jeremy does and does not do. He is fearful of Jeremy's success (too late). This is very real and tangible to eric. eric's mentality is a boon for JLin in that it is indicative of JLin's relevance. Enjoy the dumbasses that contribute to Jeremy's success!
DeleteLin is only player who is both overrated and underrated, if that's possible.
DeleteWho's overrating Lin?
DeleteOn this site, we predicted that he'd become an NBA star. And Lin has lived up to that prediction despite coaches limiting his game.
I have never seen a player who wasn't a heralded All Star come onto a team and TRANSFORM IT the way Lin has with this Rockets team that's floundering with Lin being relegated to a limited role late in the season.
Why are u so defensive khuang? It wasn't even directed at you. Why do u have complex about overrating Lin? Nahhhh I must be dreaming.
DeleteExcellent post, JLinfan#1!
ReplyDeleteI just realized something really funny.
I'm guessing many of us on this forum have some shared experiences growing up.
And one of them was the strict 1st-generation immigrant parent stereotype, right?
I bet growing up, many of us thought, "When I have kids, I'm not going to be like this. I'm going to be firm, but I'm going to be supportive of my kid's effort."
Yet looking at some of the comments in past threads it just makes me laugh.
Lin did really well this season, but was seriously injured and so his last few games weren't up to his normal standard. If we've learned anything from our own experiences, we need to be supportive and encouraging.
Not complaining about his A- and wishing he got an A+ :)
So thanks for putting things into perspective!
Oh, and as for the haters and trolls, they've already made up their minds and actually, they seem to be more into him than us fans because their lives revolve around him.
I think Lin might have been banged up since Memphis game (right elbow, left shoulder, and now right shoulder).
DeleteHis shooting has fallen off since then, and he started missing randomly (not just consistently short or consistently long, but left and right too).
I don't think this was specific cause of start of his decline in shooting at end of season, but he took charge from some big on Memphis (Zach Randolph) and took a big hit and got another bloody lip.
Taking a charge against another guard like Beverley did last game is smart move for Lin when game on line, but the hit he took in Memphis game wasn't worth it. That type of hit from big like that is best left to someone like Greg Smith, who can more realistically be expected to safely absorb such a hit.
I give him B or B+; but interesting to note that Lin himself gave himself a C. I don't know why he gave himself such a low grade.
DeleteHe said half of his games were F's and half were A's - hence C. I think he's AT LEAST a B player brought down to C+ levels by this stupid system.
DeleteHis worst game was the game 1 of the playoffs.
The best game.. OKC game.
LOL that's my first comment on this forum too. Lots of tiger moms/dads on this forum.
Deleteis his boob healed yet
ReplyDeleteNo byatch, you may not fantasize about Lin's boobs.
DeleteKHuang in anti-troll mode. :)
DeleteWe wouldn't know. We don't follow his boobs. You should check on them and report to us Mchale neutered. While you are at it, you should also check on your brain and see if it's working.
DeleteIt is weird, how to check brain functionings with a malfunctioned brain?
Deletelol! wasted Sarcasm On moron troll
DeleteG3: JLIN FANCAM - 4/27/13
ReplyDelete[j017823]
CSN Houston report on possible Harden McHale dispute????
ReplyDelete"If Harden and McHale can’t get on the same page over the next 24 hours, how will the Rockets topple the Thunder when they can’t pull in the same direction?"
http://www.csnhouston.com/basketball-houston-rockets/talk/mchale-harden-still-cant-agree-late-game-offense
CSN Houston Report
DeleteHere is another followup article on the same issue...
Harden had struggled before the final shots, making 4 of 12 to go with a career-high 10 turnovers. Though his turnovers have been perilously high before, his 10 were something of an anomaly, particularly with so many coming on offensive fouls.
In a season in which he has joined the fast company of stars, his double-digit turnovers were the most in a playoff game since LeBron James in 2008, the most in a playoff win since Tim Duncan in 2002.
The greater, more long-term issue for the Rockets' presumed closer remained the late possessions on which the Rockets turn to him to make the shots or decisions that win games.
The decision to hold the ball for a deep jumper late in the shot clock did not work in Phoenix and Los Angeles as the Rockets fell from the sixth seed to eighth and a first-round matchup with the Thunder. It has not worked since.
Jeremy Lin Needs to Find Himself Another Team
ReplyDeleteI hope the Rockets trade jlin to another team. A team that wants to use a point guard as the point guard. Not Lakers. As long as Kobe is there its pointless.
ReplyDeleteBefore this season started I did not realize how bad of a coach McHale really is. I mean the playoffs to go isolation every play in the last 2 minutes is laughable. They are very difficult to watch.
"I hope the Rockets trade jlin to another team. A team that wants to use a point guard as the point guard. Not Lakers. As long as Kobe is there its pointless."
DeleteHow about the Lakers amnesty Kobe and trade for Lin? Lin + Howard = championship. Ha ha =D
All u delusional people J Lin season was marginal . Don't look for diamonds in the garbage . Be true to what it is
ReplyDeleteDelusional and proud of it!
DeleteBy the way diamonds came from the garbage of carbon crushed and buried deep into the earth. So Lin having been buried by Mchale is our shinning diamond in the rough.
You're the delusional fool, eric s.
DeleteExplain how 14 ppg at $5 million per year is "marginal", troll.
That way we can publicly LINBARRASS YOU.
Bring it on, eric s.
Your funny. Go back to your CF forums where you came from.
Deleteyou're right that we're looking at a diamond [JLin] in the garbage [HOU]...
DeleteLin did pretty ok in a Harden-centric system. His stats don't lie; he did pretty ok, although he was inconsistent. Try to be fair, eric. Did you watch all 82 games?
Deletehaha even retarded Clutchfans start to see now what a black hole and selfish ass harden is, after he ignored McHells plays and went iso-mode while having his worst game of his life. Except for the few Harden-apologists who would defend harden even if he came out to be responsible for 9/11 lol.
ReplyDeleteIt frustrates me to no end that Lin fans fall prey to the brainwashing and negative meme propagated by the Rox, ESPN and all the lackies in the so call sports "journalists" of this world.
ReplyDeleteIsn't it hard enough that we have to defend Lin in the real world already? Do we really need to a pro Lin site and have to defend him on this site too?
The glass is half full or half empty! No matter how little is left in the glass, I choose to look it as 1/10th full. Learn this now and your life will taste sweeter as you grow old!
'MURICA, Bob.
DeleteI'm also really concerned that mostly of those idiots are young Americans that one day will eventually run this arguably the strongest or the most influential nation in the world.
The bad no matter how little often times will out loud the good ones. The bad ones are the loudest and it will only get even louder thanks to internet social media
Just ignore them, Bob.
DeleteThere will always be half-glass empty people walking around high and mighty looking for reasons to put other people down because that's the only way they can feel better about themselves.
The difference nowadays is these people hide behind computer screen.
Sadly, these people will always be fueled by hate and never realize why people don't like to be around them!
And Rikki is right, these loud people think others can't hear them so they yell even louder LOL
On this site, I won't ignore trolls.
DeleteI ENJOY crucifying them, actually.
Trolls like Neutered McHale and eric s serve as excellent punching bags for Asian Americans like me who look forward to opening cans of whoopass on people.
Anti Lin anti Asian racist trolls can fire all they want outside this site. But here, they're FRESH MEAT.
And thanks for extinguishing them, KHuang :D
DeleteIf someone comes up with logical arguments, I'd be glad to have intelligent discussion but personally I don't think it's worthwhile my time to respond to any baiting troll remarks.
But I do appreciate someone with the talent to do it well like you and many others!
Oh, I'm not "extinguishing" any trolls on this board.
DeleteI'm ENCOURAGING THEM.
I want the trolls to fire all their venom so that we can burn their asses alive in their own hatred.
re's how it is on this site: We welcome all members, including those who hate Lin and especially Lin's Asian fans. It's just that if they share a negative opinion of us, they'd better be able to take the HEAT.
I've fired my share of heat at people, and I can take the heat when they retaliate against me. Nothing like a good li'l BONFIRE to keep this place smoking!
@Bob~ Your posts are always wonderfully empowering. :)
DeleteBob is a wise man, I have to say.
DeleteIt is simple, don't pass the ball to Harden in last two minutes... as final controller.... McHale has the power to do so... just say it..... it is done.... Pass to Harden has 5% chance of success.... I remember only one game in the whole season that happen and other one when the other team goal tending does not count because it isn't his credit but the other team.... and 95% of failure....
ReplyDeleteSo is Jeremy playing tonight?
ReplyDeleteOff the bench I think.
DeleteHarden plays good in general against weak team... but plays poor/noisy against strong team.... I meant 90% of the times....
ReplyDeleteJason Friedman @JasonCFriedman
ReplyDeleteJeremy Lin (chest contusion) did not take part in today's shootaround. Remains game-time decision.
9:38 AM - 1 May 13
Yeah.. He just can't shoot with his right hand. I doubt he plays, especially because the won without him the last game.
DeleteJason Friedman @JasonCFriedman
DeleteLin says he'll work out pre-game again as he's done past two games. Availability will hinge in part on how those go.
Thanks for the update, via.
DeleteHe has a high standard for himself so if he thinks he hurts the team, most likely he will pull himself out. That's the right thing to do.
If the teams need him, maybe he'll give it a go to see how it works.
I expect him to not be in suit tonight, Solidz. At least hoping.
Jonathan Feigen @Jonathan_Feigen
DeleteIf Lin can play, McHale said he would likely bring him off bench in brief stints. Wants to see him, evaluate after no workouts for a week.
Howard Chen @ho_chenCSN 54s
DeleteLin: "If it was me, I would've played Game Four and Game Five, but we want to make sure it doesn't get worse." #RedNation #NBAPlayoffs
Psalm I think he will wearing his jersey.. But it sounds like McHale will try to go without him. I mean they win the last game without him right? **rolls eyes**
DeleteHarden is sick so I expect him playing better, McHale might not need Lin to play at all. :P
DeleteJonathan Feigen @Jonathan_Feigen
ReplyDeleteJames Harden feeling ill this morning. Sore throat, etc.
9:43 AM - 1 May 13
Asik receiving treatment for back that's bugged him last couple days (and "limited" him to 17/14 in Gm 4)
DeleteGood, I hope Harden pukes and dies. He's so hateable that selfish jerk--he thinks he's the be all and end all of everything. Now even that retarded dolt McHale has finally realized Harden is a no good selfish punk disobeying his orders last game in the last two minutes and going ISO nutcase.
DeleteCalm down, haha, he must ate the banana. sorry, can't help...jk...
DeletePukes ....and dies? Wow that escalated fast.
DeleteSolidz75, I think I've made it clear--I aint no fan of James Harden.
DeleteMan, Spencer, I am no fan of Harden either, but to wish someone would die, that's gross. He will die when God calls him. No need to wish ill on anyone.
DeleteLin still unsure of status for Game 5
ReplyDeleteMark Berman @MarkBermanFox
ReplyDeleteKevin McHale expects James Harden to play tonight says if Jeremy Lin goes he would probably see spot duty.
If Lin can not play, why ask him to play brief stints?
Deletebe a threat to penetrate so he gives more spacing for Parsons, Delfino, Bev to shoot.
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DeleteOKC will just dare him to shoot I think. but, he can still defend. There was one pass in game 3 where Lin tried to pass a X-court, he can't even raise his hand fast and high enough. It became a TO.
DeletePlaying in Game 3 probably worsened his injury, pushing his recovery back another 4-5 days. He should not make the same mistake again, OKC players are looking to gang tackle him if they see him on the court.
DeleteCan someone provide unbiased/realistic insight on reactions to the possible outcomes:
ReplyDelete-lin sits out, Houston wins to force game 6.
-lin plays, Houston wins.
-lin sits out, OKC wins game 5.
-lin plays, OKC wins game 5.
Let's just say for kicks- in the situations Lin plays, he contributes, plays 20+ minutes and has a solid game.
-lin sits out, Houston wins to force game 6.
DeleteLin is no longer needed
-lin plays, Houston wins.
The whole team is fantastic except Lin.
-lin sits out, OKC wins game 5.
Lin is coward, Harden can play tru flu-like symptoms why can't Lin ride the pain out?
-lin plays, OKC wins game 5.
Lin is garbage, he plays we lose.
Above applies no matter how many points Lin gets. lol
Eric,
DeleteRealistically, Lin won't be a major factor in Game 5 because he won't be 100% healed.
OKC only lost Game 4 because ISO-Durant was worse than ISO-Harden late in the game.
I watched Fisher's interview (who made 5 out of 6 3PTs) that they realized the Rockets doubled Durant full-court so I expect them to fix the problem quickly. Fisher is a veteran and other Thunders will listen. So not a good sign.
On the other hand, Harden has given interview that he will do the same ISO-Harden because he was just cold from sitting the bench (He didn't realize he has been cold since February).
So it's really that bad because the Rockets can only win if they move the ball and have hot 3PT shooting. Struggling Harden will put a damper on this plan due to his stubbornness to beat his old team.
BUT if Harden didn't play much due to foul trouble (I expect his teammates to shove him to OKC players), the Rockets might move the ball and make it close with hot 3PT shooting. But OKC will spread the ball and also showcase hot 3PT shooting. Fisher, Sefolosha can make those wide-open 3PTs.
So I only hope for Lin to play well with 12pts/7asts despite the injury and the loss.
But I believe in miracles so I'm looking forward to crush this somber reality aside.
I guarantee you, no matter what happens in the playoffs the rest of this year, Lin will not be a Rocket next year. He will be in L.A. Guarantee it. The Lakers really need a point guard as Nash is breaking down physically, and the Rox will go hard after Howard, whom I don't think wants any part of L.A. Howard can't take the pressure of the big city spotlight--he's mentally fragile and therefore Houston would suit him perfectly. I see Asik and Lin in a Laker uniform next year. Lin will thrive under D'Antoni, with Gasol an outside big and Asik down low.
DeleteI doubt it, but who knows.
DeleteSpencer wanna bet something? I guarantee that Lin will be in Houston next year. 100%
DeleteWith the lakers jeremy will probably start from the bench as 6th man. He could be much more useful than harden when he was in Okc.
DeleteHe could play Linsanity with the second team and finishes the game marking the best opponent guard.
It's like watching the glass half full or half empty. In la he could learn some from nash and playing under pressure but playing as 6th man just like jamal crawford.
A player like jeremy could really help big teams to.pay eventually luxury tax but they must believe in him for the future and that's a big question mark
Weird logic, if he put Linsanity numbers, there is no way he is not starting.
DeleteNot Linsanity numbers but play like in Linsanity time. I'm sorry, sometime i can't find english words to explain what's in my head.
DeleteAnyway i was talking about a james harden's role in Okc or If you prefer a manu ginobili's with the Spurs.
Lin is better than that, he should start.
DeleteOkay, Solidz75 we have a bet.
DeleteSO....what is your bet? $20,000?
DeleteOh boy, haha...
DeleteIf I'm wrong I will never ever hurt K. Smith's feeling again.
DeleteSince I am in Southern CA, I would love for Lin to come here. But damn ticket price at Staples is outrageous.
DeleteSpencer, I will bet 100% that Lin will be in Houston next year, but a slight possibility get traded in the middle or at the end. If you are right, I will post a statement that Spencer Haywood is a genius. If we win, you can post a statement saying you are crazy and dumb.
DeleteNo I want him to profess his love for harden everyday for 10 consecutive threads.
DeleteThere's a chance he'll be traded. They overhyping beverly and now brooks is playing good.
DeleteI'm with Khuang:i think jeremy is a les' idea while morey thinks different and he's trying to convince his owner....
Morey's risking his extension :D
LIN GAME-TIME DECISION; HARDEN PROBABLE
ReplyDeleteBasketball is an odd sport where head to head match-ups don't always tell the proper story or who is the better player.
ReplyDeleteAlso sometimes the better player might be slightly better than other elite players yet struggle against an opponent or defender who is considered a lesser player.
Basketball is a team sport and team defense is really the critical element...luckily Lin and Curry both play on suspect defensive teams, but if Curry were on the Bulls or Pacers etc. and his team limited Lin's numbers while Curry still went off, that doesn't mean Curry is necessarily better and vice versa ...
Thus in comparing players' offensive stats, I think it's hard to use head to head offensive stats as evidence of who is better overall, even when limited to just the offensive side of the ball.
Having said that, I knew long ago that Lin was better than Curry. Lin is faster and stronger and has one of the top 2 or 3 traits required to excel in bball - speed and first step/driving ability. Curry has another top 3 trait which is his shooting ability.
If I were a GM, honestly, I would prefer Lin over Curry from a purely basketball standpoint and nothing else. I'm sure few actual GM's would agree with me. I choose Lin simply because he is bigger, faster, stronger, and can drive and not have to rely on pure jumpshooting all the while Lin tries to set the table for his team.
I have yet to ever see a guy in actual games who consistently shoots even 50% from the field shooting jumpshots in games that actually matter...When that day comes, pigs will fly. It's a bit of fool's gold though Curry is one of the best shooters around. And I really like him and his game as well.
We've all played with tons of guys at the gym who can make almost 100% of their shots. I'm sure guys like Curry and EVEN LIN make close to 100% of their shots in practice drills and meaningless scrimmages where there is no pressure and the defense is moderate. But put those guys in real games where they have to play both sides of the ball under extreme duress, and those shots don't fall nearly as much.
The best PG shooter I have seen recently because of % and because of consistency is simply CP3 Chris Paul. He is so good because the guy can hit jumpshots over and over and knows his go to spots and knows his own ability inside out. And to boot, he has some pet trick scoring moves and reliable step backs he throws out once in a while to give himself space as a short guard. His dribbling is just showmanship but he even has the skills to throw in dribbling tricks effectively pulling out an old trick once every few months which is really quite impressive he can keep it so intact within his repertoire.
I have confidence Lin will work on that jump shot till he becomes automatic and makes it a strength. When that comes together, he will be a truly tough opponent when you consider his existing skills, no matter who is his coach, teammate, or team.
Swingline, good post again. I would say good shooting can compensate for a lot of things, not that Curry is weak in any area. I am impressed with Curry's movement off ball and his being able to pass even though he's looking for his shots.
DeleteIt's not hard to see who can play and who can't.
DeleteEvery game I watch, I mentally remove the names off guys' jerseys and the faces off player's heads. I simply WATCH every game with no preconceived notions or external media blathering.
Jeremy Lin fascinates me because he's as big game a basketball player there is in the entire NBA but is forced into a very small role. Even so, he makes the most out of that role and enrages his coaches when his game overwhelms the D league expectations that NBA people have of him.
Dating back to Lin's rookie season, I felt that Lin was the most dynamic player on the team over Curry and Ellis. Lin was pretty much the same Lin he is now, only with less minutes.
Along with vastly superior athleticism and defense, there is another overwhelming talent that Lin had that Curry will NEVER have. Lin is a true point guard who MAKES GUYS BETTER. Curry and even Chris Paul do not have that capability.
To me, the ability to make guys better is the most ELITE skill of all. And Lin has it more than any other PG in today's game.
The big difference I see with Lin compared to any other PGs is this: Lin will pass to lousy ball-catching players like Asik, whereas other PGs will chew out Asik and not pass to him. That's good and bad. Asik really should thank Lin for passing to him a lot.
DeleteKhuang, saw your post in the other thread. No I can't quite compare Lin to Jordan yet :) Maybe if Lin ever gets to lead a team as the main guard we can start comparing him to some elite PG's first or after he wins a few rings for the MJ comparisons????
DeleteI just read the Hill ESPN article:
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9231725/dwight-howard-sign-houston-rockets
Of course, Hill is your typical female version of SAS without the loud mouthpiece but same in mentality. She too discredited Lin for being an overhyped Asian ballplayer because she can't relate or give him a fair take when looking at him.
Thus no mention of Lin as a promising fixture for DHow to play with...But I'm not surprised...I have yet to actually see any black sports media give credit to Lin besides old time retired players like Calvin Murphy & Clyde Frazier & Magic to some degree.
I also heard today on ESPN LA that Michael Thompson and Mark Willard, Laker pundits, would be open to trading Pau Gasol for Parsons, Omer, and a 1st round pick. No mention of Jlin either because they think he's a scrub apparently.
Unfortunately, the media represents what the GM's and teams think to some degree...
Let's hope some dominos falls in Lin's favor and that he is traded away as an afterthought this summer. Thankfully he has the 25Mill contract, otherwise he'd be in bad shape and discarded completely.
I was thinking the other day that it's likely Morey is trying for CP3 AND DHO, assuming the Clippers fall apart too. Highly doubt it will happen, but I can see it happening. CP3 has 2 better stars next to him while commanding the ball, and DHO plays with 2 stars in their prime. Harden gets to take a backseat to CP3 with the ball duties and plays the role he should have with Lin...
Lin gets kicked to either Utah or Lakers, either of which would be simply awesome. Clippers simply lose CP3 and start Bledsoe at PG, which is truly why CP3, another snake who just happens to be a bball maestro, keeps saying Bledsoe is starting material, because it will soften the blow for Clipper fans when CP3 leaves.
I believe CP3 is absolutely leaving if they lose to Memphis - you can see it coming a mile away from a guy like CP3 based on how he is...
Still my money if Lin moves this summer, is on Utah. Morey is a weasel but a really smart & capable guy, and that's why I suspect Utah is Lin's destination because it's a forgettable NBA team outside Utah fans. Just remember you read it here from me first. Lin to Utah if Lin moves anywhere barring a Lakers team disaster where they salvage for some combo of Lin, CP, and Omer for DHO.
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DeleteHarden will hate if Rox get CP3. He need the ball in his hands. lol. DH12, on the other hand, will be a good addition tho. I do not know every teams well, but given LIN's NBA status, is there any team that will fully accept him by bball reasons?
DeleteSwing, does Clyde give credit to Lin?
DeleteI would not mind seeing Hayward and Lin play.
DeleteBrent, I doubt CP3 goes to Houston but if he did, CP3 has the ball in the 4th Q and Harden defers without complaint...it's just what it would be...Harden probably gets to play with the ball a bit like Lin did in the regular season for Quarters 1-3.
Deletewho wants Lin? Far as I know, not 1 team. Really I don't even know Houston wants him.
I'd love to see Utah gamble on him out of desperation and hit the jackpot. Only team I see with a need at PG and might consider Lin.
Every other team already has a PG of some kind, good or bad.
My method of deduction is quite simple. When a player kills a team over and over, the GM always signs or trades for that player because these teams and GMs are so historically lazy, they don't even watch games or tapes of other games except when their own team plays the other teams around the league.
So expect the Jazz to make a run for Lin now or later because the Jazz can't get anyone else good via FA because they are considered an undesirable destination and thus the only spot Lin might end up in.
Hmn.....swing, I understand, I was just feeling that even Jazz will not want Lin. The contract Lin have right now basically just labeled Lin as a Les-boy...No one WILL take Lin for bball reasons for now.
Deleteeb5 - Frazier of the Knicks yes. Drexler who does Houston commentary - no....
DeleteI've been around long enough to know that America doesn't want to see Lin shine and wants him out of sight and out of mind. And I've been around long enough to know Utah can't get any decent players unless they draft or trade for them because no good FA is going there voluntarily.
So Utah's the perfect landing spot for a castaway like Lin and probably the best guy at PG the Jazz can get in the short term because Lin is really a high grade player who just happens to have an Asian face and is not the typical 2nd rate player Utah gets. It'll be interesting to see...
It will be the NBA's version of his high school team all over again...
Let's see if Utah pushes for Lin this summer...they have no guards left except Hayward right now...
LAC met a very tough (physically and mentally) team in MEM. Even though they were down 2-0, MEM believed in themselves and took it to them. I really think Denver also has a good shot.
DeleteNo question that commentators of opposing teams were generally more appreciative of what Lin brings to Rockets than Rockets' own commentators. That much I know.
Deleteit is so weird that so many people here insist Lin is not better nor ever get better than some other NBA players.... then why are you keep coming back here? ask yourself...
ReplyDeletecan't deny that anythings around Lin is more interesting. Many other 'better' players are just plain boring.
DeleteThey need Lin to fail....
Deletecurry is boring (not a GSW fan).. wall is even more boring (wiz fan. lol)
DeleteUh, just because Lin is not better than LeBron or KD or other players, you can not be his fan?
Deleteeb5, I couldn't agree more. I think Lin is good but not great. Many here seem to believe he has reached a level of greatness, but I just can't see it. I know he would perform better if he was in a system that better complimented his skill set, but even so, if he was truly great he'd still perform better even under these circumstances. He is good, and I'm thrilled about that. And I believe he will get better.
DeleteBamboo, he needs to add more offensive moves and improve his jump shots and move better without the ball IF he wants to be great. I know he's good though, especially in another system where he could handle the ball more. But whether he can be an All-Star level player, that I don't know. I know he's capable of playing like an All-Star in several consecutive games, but you gotta do that for an entire year and play-offs IMO to be an All-Star. Harden is not an All-Star (let alone a franchise player) IMO, whereas Zach Randolph and Paul Gasol are All-Stars.
DeleteAlso, when I said Lillard was one cool customer when I saw Lin play against him the first time, some posters were not impressed with him; but I liked Lillard and Beal early on, and sure enough one is Rookie of the Year and the other was voted 3rd place for ROY. With Lillard and Davis, you know they will be very good players in future (if not already), but with Lin, while I know he is and will be a good player, I just don't know yet if he will be a very good to All-Star level player at this point. However, he has a fighting chance IMO; it depends on him because he has athleticism.
DeleteI'd say the Rockets have a 10% chance of winning tonight.
ReplyDeleteThere's no point for Lin to play. It doesn't appear that he can shoot with his right arm effectively.
My predictions for tonight. If Lin plays look for a Nets game type away. Lin will come out of the bench a light everything up and have a great game. Rockets are going to destroy the Thunder tonight. :D A bit too optimistic, definitively. lol
ReplyDeleteI start a new thread: blake Griffin walked out of the game against Memphis with a sprained ankle. Jeremy made some great games after thatkind of injury. So, how many people in the media have called Griffin soft or not strong enough?
ReplyDeleteOn espn are saying that Paul didn't look great cause he has a bruised thumb.... Bruised thumb!!!!!!!
And they still point out to jeremy....
btw, Chris Paul has a bruised *left* thumb. If it were his right thumb, that can be a major issue. But left thumb is not a big deal. Rajon Rondo played well that one game without using his left arm (he dislocated his left elbow during the game).
DeleteLin gets so much crap for not returning at "85%". Meanwhile, Rose says he's not coming back until he's "110%". And Carmelo, who's not even on the same team, publicly defends him.
I still hear people saying that Lin is 'injury prone.'
DeleteIt's obviously just Asian males being perceived as weak. Nevermind that he played every game of the season.
If Lin doesn't play, he's weak. If he plays through injury and doesn't do well, then he is being selfish and is hurting the team. You can't please haters.
0ccupati0, as long as Lin kept getting contracts, he will be ok.
DeleteI want Lin to play, even if it is just for 2 minutes.
ReplyDeleteThis could be the last game of the year.
It would be great if Lin missed only one game.
I think from McHale's comments, he will not play at all.
DeleteActually If harden is ruled out i hope jeremy will play the whole game even with the left arm and lead rockets to victory :D
DeleteHarden is 100% playing, don't know what you heard....
DeleteHaving a "cough" isn't going to keep him out of the game.
Deletewell, even having "chokes" isn't going to keep him out of the game.
DeleteLin should play.
DeleteWith Harden out definitely after the first quarter meeting his quota of turnovers per game, Lin is the only hope. But McHale would rather be blown out than having Lin to save the game. What a Snob!
I thought what Mchale said today was interesting. If Lin plays, he'll be coming off the bench, doing spot stuff, giving guys rest. You don't say things like that about your starters. If you're ready and the trainers clear you, then you start...That's what I've seen with bonafide starters.
ReplyDeleteHow's Lin supposed to impact the game playing 2 minutes.
DeleteMaybe by slamming into KD and injuring him?
DeleteHe wouldn't say the same thing about Harden.
DeleteMcHale is pathetic. He's talking about a starter who has a $25m for 3 years much better than what he makes. Give a little respect! Lin is more intelligent than this old School snob, Hall of Famer or not; he has been declared as a moron running 3 ISO plays in the last minutes with 2 bricks and 1 air ball in return.
Harden is sick tonight and McHale plans to play him. He won't be able to pick up double double again but he will break the all time playoff record with his TOs.
I couldn't think of a worse play time coach than McHale.
Harden's def playing. Confirmed by Keith Jones.
DeleteMark Berman @MarkBermanFox26
ReplyDeleteJeremy Lin says he will not play tonight.
That sucks. Lin showed us one half-time that he can play decently in this year's playoffs. Rockets really need Lin to play well this game to win.
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