I'd be shocked if Jeremy didn't play Game 3. It's standard operating procedure to be "questionable" about your status -- just to mess with the opposing team's gameplan. Not to mention there's another day off tomorrow to heal/get treatment.
I'm not even sure his shot would be affected. Remember when he hurt his elbow and had to wear that brace in Denver? His jumper never looked better! Besides, what makes him a special player is that he contributes big time even without scoring.
Throughout all this, I would like to point out that Jeremy Lin is a WINNER who is always getting "demoted" to better situations!
Lin started out being "demoted" by Division 1 scholarship schools to Harvard. Lin was Harvard's all time greatest player.
Lin then got "demoted" to being undrafted, but then he got picked up in Summer League and destroyed John Wall. That led to his Golden State signing.
At Golden State, Lin was "demoted" to the D league where he absolutely dominated as a 1st team All D League player. Lin was rewarded by Golden State cutting him.
Lin got on the Rockets, but Morey and McHale "demoted" him despite a stellar preseason. The Knicks picked him up and were ready to demote him out of the NBA, but then Mike D'Antoni threw Lin in likely to spite Glen Grunwald for giving him bad point guards. Linsanity broke out.
The Knicks "demoted" Lin by refusing to offer Lin a contract, but Lin got that great $25 million offer from Houston. McHale and Morey have "demoted" Lin by reducing his usage and saying bad things about him in the papers.
So what'll happen next? If Lin's history of demotions continues to play out, the Rockets will trade Lin off the team next season to probably a losing team. But Lin will turn around that team just like he turned around the Rockets.
Lin being demoted is not the career ending setback that would knock out lesser players. I just want to remind everybody to have some perspective and realize that they are fans of one of THE GREATEST WINNERS of all time.
When it's all over, we Lin fans on this forum will look back and realize that Lin is the great basketball living legend of our time.
Or swap Lin for Dragic. I'd love to shove Dirty Drag back to McHell. The Drag turned super dirty player in order to cheat; he'll wind up getting paybacks, I'm sure.
Or Lin to Utah if they don't get Bledsoe from the Clips.
The word was that Utah tried to get Bledsoe before the trade deadline. Bled is likely moved this offseason, as the Clips can't afford to keep him after his cheap rookie contract expires after one more year. Bled *is* considered a starting caliber, including by CP3 out loud the other day.
Lin just needs to go to another team yet again, because Houston turned out to be freaking weird for Lin. Lin has to get out of this team too sigh, but I'm certain most franchises aren't like this. Firstly, other GMs and coaches don't have any motives to play politics (except for the Nits coach Wood and the Kings coach Stupid).
K.Smith, because Chris Paul said Bledsoe is a starting PG so it must be true? Yeah, it's not like Paul wanted to inflate Bledsoe's value so they could trade him for some better help for Paul himself lol.
Center Nikola Pekovic is a free agent seeking a likely max contract.
Houston could do a sign and trade where Lin and Asik and filler are shipped off for Pekovic and maybe JJ Barea. Then Lin would be a reserve behind Ricky Rubio for about 10 games before joining Rubio in the starting lineup as the starting SG.
Though I view Lin primarily as a great point guard, I see him as being so versatile that he can play either guard position or even small forward. And if he's put on the bench, he'll still average 30 mpg and be a 6th man candidate.
It's not me that would make Lin a reserve behind Ricky Rubio, livyrlife.
Minnesota thinks Ricky Rubio is a future max contract player and the best young point guard in the NBA.
Even if Lin kills Rubio in practice and outdoes him in games, I would expect Rubio to remain the point guard starter no matter how poorly Rubio plays.
Yet Minnesota can't win, whether Rubio and Love and Pekovic are playing well or not. The reason for that is because their defense is awful and Love is a 6'7" James Harden stat padding player who doesn't defend. The only way Minnesota would make the playoffs is if Lin's teamwork and defense were added to the mix, just like how Houston would have been a 20-30 win team without Lin this year.
Sounds like if Lin is traded to any team, he won't be a starter. That's a horrible thing could have happened to Lin after being a starter on the Rox for a full season.
Jeremy Lin is exactly what many of us Asian American men are on this forum: ASIAN BAND AID.
Any team Lin plays for in the NBA, including the Rockets, will prefer to use Lin as a low usage defensive stopper off the bench.
When I came on this board in January 2012, I figured that teams would utilize Lin that way just because nobody would trust his offensive game because he was Asian.
However, getting to the playoffs does trump racial prejudice. Lin's gotten two teams into the playoffs now, New York and Houston. With bad teams where the starters don't produce, Lin forces his way onto the court but is yanked for racial as opposed to basketball reasons.
In Houston, Lin is "Asian Band Aid". He plays alongside Harden and Beverley because those SCRUBS can't play a shred of defense and need Lin to protect them via his stellar help defense. Lin is stuck into games when the outcome is in doubt, as he goes to work and sets about repairing the team's selfish woes. But if the team is doing well, goodbye Lin because other nonAsian players are more valued than he is.
No matter what team Lin gets on in the NBA, this is the dynamic he faces.
I didn't say that Rubio would be a "good" backcourt partner with Lin.
Ricky Rubio is the most valued player in Minnesota, regardless of whether he's got game or not. Nobody can usurp his position as the team's starting point guard.
As underrated as Jeremy Lin is, Ricky Rubio is overrated. That's why I think Minnesota would start Jeremy Lin to make Rubio look better.
If Lin can't play game #3, Morey and McHale would have a BRIGHT & HUGE opportunity to prove their "basketball minds" points !!!!!
McHale and Morey shouldn't mind if Lin can't play anymore the rest of this series. They've always tried to prove - and constantly insinuated in the press whenever they opened their mouths - that Lin isn't a starter, and that the backups should star over Lin. Well, Morey and McHale NOW HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY to prove their points in this *PLAYOFF* series AND WHILE EVERYONE IS WATCHING ON NATIONAL TV !!!!! It's also a great opportunity for Beverley to rise to the occasion - I should say AGAIN.
I don't think it'll work though. After playing 40 good minutes, Beverley will be scouted. Even though they have been trying to demoralize Lin, while instilled confidence in Beverley (and the other backup, Douglas, before him), Lin has proven that he's been a better player OVERALL (Most reserves play better than starters sometimes, and the bench players from teams like the Spurs, Nuggets and Clippers play well consistently). Thus, I expect Lin to play better with another team, while Beverley's upside (possibly as a starter- if hopefully they trade Lin) wouldn't be as drastic, since he's already been supported and nurtured to succeed by the coaching team (plus Bev has 2.5 more pro experience, albeit in overseas).
if Jeremy doesn't play on game 3,I'd like Westbrook to punk the daylights out of Beverly as retaliation to all those calling PBev as tough or Rondo-material
^ I don't think it's cool to wish ill upon PB just because haters use him to bring down Lin. Haters are heartless animals (I don't consider them people), let's not stoop down to their levels.
I am Patrick Beverley's biggest hater on this forum, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Jeremy Lin.
I am a true NBA fan, not specifically a Lin only fan. I watch the NBA because I want to see the best players playing the best basketball - and Beverley is NOT WORTHY.
Beverley's lack of court sense, lack of creative skill, and slow reflexes are galling to me. There are so many openings on the court that he is utterly incapable of taking advantage of, and opposing scrub PGs shred him defensively when Lin's not protecting him from the other backcourt position. This is why Patrick Beverley always is a LOSING player that either ruins the lead that Lin created or turns a losing game into a blowout loss. The more he plays, the worse the Rockets do.
There are so many more deserving point guards that ought to be playing instead of Patrick Beverley. Even Aaron Brooks who has looked bad because of inconsistent minutes is vastly superior to Patrick Beverley. Play the veteran with real proven skill, not the D-league scrub who is getting PUNKED by opposing point guards when Lin is not around to protect him.
I myself would prefer Lin to have a much more capable backup. It sounds strange, but it would actually improve Lin's quality of basketball. Too many times, Jeremy Lin has had to bring the Rockets back from oblivion because Patrick Beverley got greyhounded by a 3rd string opposing point guard who averages 2 points a game. If Lin didn't have to constantly save the Rockets because of Beverley's horrifically bad play, Lin wouldn't have to kill himself repairing the damage caused by Beverley losing the Rocket's momentum.
@Captain Marvel - animals have hearts than those haters, even those that may be deemed "heartless".it's an insult to animals to compare them to haters. unfortunately WB is out with a torn meniscus.
on another note, based on KHuang's comment above, thinking about how Reggie Jackson CAN outplay Bev... well :D :D :D
I have seen time and time again (maybe 75 to 85% ??) when Lin was either taking a breather or benched (and Douglas or Beverley was on the court), the Rockets lead shrank to nothing or if they were trailing, their deficit widened. Occasionally, their lead temporarily remained or even went up a little and whenever that happened, McHale left the backups too long (in effect treating them like the starters and treating Lin like a backup) and that's how the Rockets LOST SEVERAL GAMES (maybe between 6 to 8 games lost that way)!!! Of course, McHale lost at least several more games because of his inability to make in-game adjustments (he got the team to lose too many overtime and close games).
I don't follow CP3 as much as other point guards, but I didn't know he could have a bad game. I thought his bad game would be a good game. Well, today he shown that he's a human. BTW, I only checked the boxscore.
In crunch time, the last 5 mins of the 4th Quarter where LAC were 12pts behind, CP3 air-balled a trey, fouled, turnover...ok, not to diss him as he's a proven all-star. It just tell us, after all, CP3 can have bad games too. So why can't Lin?
Rikki, i'm vexed over the discrimination, injustice against Lin...heck, I even felt hopeless briefly after his perceivably bad game in his very first playoffs. But I hang in there regardless.
CP3's bad game is just a reminder to me that as a Lin's fan, I, occasionally need to have reality check and a dose of sanity to appreciate that Lin is striving for unprecedented success in an imperfect world. And that's what makes his story ever more interesting and inspiring.
In all fairness how do you know Beverly isn't scouted? Are you suggesting that backups that are often used a lot are not scouted? Maybe you guys know something I don't. I don't know how this works.
Who cares? If you have Lin, Harden, Parsons, Asik, and Bev on the court, guess which players are going to get the most attention from the opposing team's defense?
It's not like Beverley is totally unscouted. It's that teams would happily let this one game/two game wonder do whatever he likes with the ball while taking the ball out of the hands of more dangerous players like Lin and Harden. Unless Beverley can do what he does consistently and actually win his team some games. Teams would be happy to leave him unguarded and post whatever stats he likes.
On the Grantland podcast (4/25 part 2/2 about the 25min mark) Bill and Jalen state that JLin is a trade-able asset now that PBev has "outplayed JLin in the playoffs."
How many times did we have to hear the same stuff again and again this season? How many times did the 5th starter get changed this season and then flame out completely while Lin started every game?
People are so silly. When Lin does well, people say it's because teams are focused on Harden, leaving Lin opportunities. When Bev does well with both Harden and Lin on the court at the same time, he's now a better player than Lin. Such clowns.
In that podcast, Bill Simmons says that Lin is not athletic. LMAO. I listen to Simmons but the guy is just an entertainer; his analysis is no better than that of a random Joe Blow couch potato. Jalen says Lin can't even get the ball across half court and brings up the Miami game last year. What a fool. He either does not watch any games, or he is incredibly biased.
Lin's one year at Houston and short season at Knicks proved that he can play either as a skilful steady distributing type PG or as an offensive point racking guard (linsanity). Other GM's are salivating at the prospect of Lin coming on the market or if Houston are stupid enough to waive him.
Simmons and Rose are both idiots. Jeremy has done much more in his short time in the nba than Rose has ever done in his entire career. The biggest achievement Rose has done is allowing Kobe to score 80+ points on his watch. Loser.
God, just after one game, the haters are cropping up everywhere.
Thie Rox have done much more to ruin Jeremy's rep than the Knicks could've ever done. Lin has to fight his way out of this or otherwise he will remembered as a folklore.
John Wooden: Every player hits the wall but there are two types of players. The ones who lay on their back and stare at the wall & say I can't believe the wall knocked me down. And the other player who keeps getting back up and is determined to run through the wall. Jere.. U gotta plow thru this bs wall called the rockets!!!
Seriously though. How is it possible that no one apparently supports Lin or acknowledges his talents/skills, and people keep trying to bring him down? Such utter crap. I still think it's because the concept of Lin is too threatening. Asian-American, Harvard educated and excellent NBA basketball player.
I find ironic that Lin is in practically no promos for the playoffs that I have seen but he and Steve Novak are highlighted for the NBA D-League as ones who made it to the NBA.
I read some article where they were saying that the Knicks/Knicks' fans were protective of Lin. It just seems like the Rockets' fan base and organization leave Lin out to dry, and that they couldn't care less about Lin. Simply put, it sucks and Houston sucks.
For those of you guys who are rooting for a Jlin trade, and I believe quite a few of us, I would love to see Lin to be traded to ANY Eastern conference teams, but obviously a contender like Indiana like someone pointed out. 1. It is a easier conference for sure. The Easts is so week, that Lin can easily take average team to a "contender" status. 2. No elite defensive guard that can even stop Lin's penetration. Rondo and Rose not healthy enough, and even if they were, Lin played very well agains both before. 3. Love to see Lin destroy the Knicks game after game....lol
In light of Lin's tenuous position with the Rockets, it's only natural to fantasize.
Last year, people were like "Lin will never leave the Knicks". Even the Knicks were saying that. People were right only in metaphor - Lin will likely always be embraced by Knick fans in spirit but not in payroll.
There's not a single elite guard in the East OR West that can stop Lin's penetration. The only team that can stop Lin's penetration is his Houston team.
I'm not rooting for a trade though I totally understand why people would desire that. I want Lin to get much better than he is. I'm not saying he's not good now. But you can't tell me, for example, that a Tony Parker would have the same experience as JLin if he was in his shoes. I realize that he's not able to be "the point guard" as much as he or his fans desire. But if he can develop a really great jump shot and work on some other things, it won't matter what system he's in. And that's what I'm hoping for.
Tony Parker had some VERY rough years in his early NBA years.
Besides, Parker has Tim Duncan on the court to set him up and erase mistakes. I don't actually think of Tony Parker as a true pass first "point guard" like Lin, as Tim Duncan is actually the true point guard on the team even though Duncan doesn't bring the ball up the court.
Lin needs a spin move off either shoulder in order to shoot his jump shot. Right now Lin is a great straight line penetrator and a pretty decent standstill jump shooter. He's even shown some stop and pop capability, and we all remember the times he ROASTED Jrue Holiday and Damien Lillard with his wicked spin dribble. If Lin could master those spin moves, he could elevate for jump shots off drives to the side and that would make him a complete offensive threat.
Lin's SO GOOD that he hasn't NEEDED to develop those spin moves at the NBA level yet!
Sadly, if Lin was Black or White, I bet he wouldn't get a quarter of the hate he's getting now.
Look at DRose, he sat out the whole year, yet I don't see that much hate compared to Lin (who played the entire season, got injured in one playoff game).
Also, Landry Fields got a big contract too. Sometimes he has bad games too, yet no one is hating him as much.
Haters don't want to admit it, but deep down they hate him because he's an Asian American playing in a Black/White basketball league. Racism these days is very subtle, it's not as direct as in the past. So they use excuses as he wasn't drafted, he's a turnover machine, can't go left, etc... Notice how it isn't even about the Rockets winning or losing, they come out whenever Lin has a bad game(even if Rockets win that game).
I just saw it heard too. Also heard Westbrook hasn't been hurt since high school? Must be tough for him. Not going to bode well for PB and rockets. Imagine the reception if they do make it back to OKC..
Rikki M, Derrick Rose said that he injured his knee playing against Lin last year.
He openly said that his knee gave out on him when Lin flyswatted his shot off the backboard in that Bulls-Knicks game.
I didn't buy that at the time because late in the game, Rose beautifully beat Lin on a give and go and elevated for a rim rattling dunk. Lin got left in the dust that time, but for the entire game Lin was KILLING Rose who needed 30 shots to score 30 points against Lin - most of those points scored by losing Lin on screens.
Russell Westbrook came out in the playoffs flying against Lin. Like Rose, he had to really exert himself to athletically go through and over Lin. Even so, Westbrook hasn't been able to do much with Lin on the court either as a straight defender or a help defender. It wouldn't surprise me that Westbrook overexerted himself trying to beat Lin.
I've googled all over the place of your claim about Rose openly said that he injured himself against Lin last season but I couldn't found any. Can you give the source?
a lot of guys hailed Westbrook as the fastest PG in the league now.I think he overexerted himself playing against Jeremy.eye test, their speed match.I don't buy that bullcrap saying Westbrook is faster than Jeremy.
I don't either, I thought they have those motion cams installed all over the place. It should be a known fact already to Teams regarding who it the fastest PG.
I can't imagine how OKC gonna take this shocker. I just hope they won't retaliate on the court, especially Perkins with a hot head. And I'm sure the Houston FO will secretly thank PB for his "unnecessary aggressiveness" e even more to Lins detriment and value PB even more. Don't get me wrong, I like BEV as he is a tough competitor, but the media always find reasons to twist things to hurt Lins image, just like they claim he has no "heart" not to come back after chest contusion in game 2.
I seriously doubt little Patrick Beverley had anything to do with causing Westbrook's knee injury.
Rather, Westbrook's aggressive rim rattling style was going to get to him sooner or later.
Like I said above, Westbrook faced the NBA's premier perimeter defender in Jeremy Lin. Normally Westbrook can simply overpower people, but not Lin. Westbrook probably injured himself by overexerting against Lin.
Even though you poking your eyes out with a screwdriver would make a lovely image, it's just fantasy like these baseless trade speculations that I deliberately write here.
There's no need for you to feel as personally attacked and offended as you are.
@KHuang, trust me, if you saw the play, Beverly's lunge at the ball while Westbrook tried to call timeout, directly resulted in Westbrook's torn meniscus injury. Westbrook immedaiatley after that was hopping around for about a minute and , no pun intended, was hopping mad! You are dead wrong--Beverly caused the injury, but Westbrook coontinued to play on pretty well the rest of the game.
On the other hand, a guy like Westbrook putting forth his greatest athletic efforts to get past Lin is putting a lot of strain on his body prior to that injury.
Lin takes much harder hits than that every game, but it doesn't knock him out because he doesn't play as much as Westbrook does.
I'm as shocked as all of you are. I wouldn't be surprised if bev gets death threats from pissed off OKC fans. Poor kid. He was just trying to play hard.
Having said that. I always thought Westbrook to be a selfish player who took away shots from Durant, the real superstar. This may be a chance to see how OKC does with durant as THE alpha dog. By no means am I saying OKC is a better team without Russell. This will be interesting to see.
But too bad. U never wanna see an important player getting hurt this time if the year.
Just saw the play for the first time. It wasn't like Perkins dirty, but really unnecessarily physical.
Bev is going to get a lot of backlash - I wouldn't be surprised if there is a hockey like retaliation from one if the bigs. Maybe bev will get Perkins suspended as well. Gonna be interesting sat
With the RW injury, If Lin is back game 3, I'm hoping he will not be targeted for retaliation, I doubt it will happen but just praying when OKC play more physical as a result, Lin will not aggravate his injury
Russell Westbrook's injury means Patrick Beverly is dead meat--guarantee you that Ibaka or Perkins will cheap shot him out of the playoffs. He's a goner. The bigger question is if Lin plays tomorrow and they target him because he's already semi-injured. That would be bad news for Lin. I pray for him that doesn't happen. Or, actually what would be more wicked and calculating by design by the Thunder is if they injure Harden since he's the number one scorer (notice how I didn't say most important player). That could be actually welcome news for Lin if Harden is neutralized by thuggery, because then Lin can take over and be the man as he should have been all along. But mark my words, Beverly is a complete goner next game and will be injured by the Thunder. Even mild-mannered Durant may do the dirty work. I can bet you right now Westbrook has Beverly voodoo dolls by his bedside, wanting to kill Beverly and I don't blame him.
I'd be shocked if Jeremy didn't play Game 3. It's standard operating procedure to be "questionable" about your status -- just to mess with the opposing team's gameplan. Not to mention there's another day off tomorrow to heal/get treatment.
ReplyDeleteI'm not even sure his shot would be affected. Remember when he hurt his elbow and had to wear that brace in Denver? His jumper never looked better! Besides, what makes him a special player is that he contributes big time even without scoring.
Throughout all this, I would like to point out that Jeremy Lin is a WINNER who is always getting "demoted" to better situations!
ReplyDeleteLin started out being "demoted" by Division 1 scholarship schools to Harvard. Lin was Harvard's all time greatest player.
Lin then got "demoted" to being undrafted, but then he got picked up in Summer League and destroyed John Wall. That led to his Golden State signing.
At Golden State, Lin was "demoted" to the D league where he absolutely dominated as a 1st team All D League player. Lin was rewarded by Golden State cutting him.
Lin got on the Rockets, but Morey and McHale "demoted" him despite a stellar preseason. The Knicks picked him up and were ready to demote him out of the NBA, but then Mike D'Antoni threw Lin in likely to spite Glen Grunwald for giving him bad point guards. Linsanity broke out.
The Knicks "demoted" Lin by refusing to offer Lin a contract, but Lin got that great $25 million offer from Houston. McHale and Morey have "demoted" Lin by reducing his usage and saying bad things about him in the papers.
So what'll happen next? If Lin's history of demotions continues to play out, the Rockets will trade Lin off the team next season to probably a losing team. But Lin will turn around that team just like he turned around the Rockets.
Lin being demoted is not the career ending setback that would knock out lesser players. I just want to remind everybody to have some perspective and realize that they are fans of one of THE GREATEST WINNERS of all time.
When it's all over, we Lin fans on this forum will look back and realize that Lin is the great basketball living legend of our time.
Lin to the Pacers for George Hill. Morey would probably throw in D-Mo as well based on his low opinion of Jeremy.
DeleteThat would be soooooo nice.
DeleteOr swap Lin for Dragic. I'd love to shove Dirty Drag back to McHell. The Drag turned super dirty player in order to cheat; he'll wind up getting paybacks, I'm sure.
Or Lin to Utah if they don't get Bledsoe from the Clips.
Or Lin to Orlando, like KHuang has mentioned.
People view Bledsoe as a starting PG but not Lin? WTF. SMH. People continue to say that Lin is not a PG but Bledsoe is a PG? God, help me.
DeleteThe word was that Utah tried to get Bledsoe before the trade deadline. Bled is likely moved this offseason, as the Clips can't afford to keep him after his cheap rookie contract expires after one more year. Bled *is* considered a starting caliber, including by CP3 out loud the other day.
DeleteLin just needs to go to another team yet again, because Houston turned out to be freaking weird for Lin. Lin has to get out of this team too sigh, but I'm certain most franchises aren't like this. Firstly, other GMs and coaches don't have any motives to play politics (except for the Nits coach Wood and the Kings coach Stupid).
K.Smith, because Chris Paul said Bledsoe is a starting PG so it must be true? Yeah, it's not like Paul wanted to inflate Bledsoe's value so they could trade him for some better help for Paul himself lol.
Deletewhat a great post to start my morning!
DeleteOr trade to the Bobcat (M Jordan's team)
DeleteA darkhorse candidate for Lin: Minnesota.
DeleteCenter Nikola Pekovic is a free agent seeking a likely max contract.
Houston could do a sign and trade where Lin and Asik and filler are shipped off for Pekovic and maybe JJ Barea. Then Lin would be a reserve behind Ricky Rubio for about 10 games before joining Rubio in the starting lineup as the starting SG.
Though I view Lin primarily as a great point guard, I see him as being so versatile that he can play either guard position or even small forward. And if he's put on the bench, he'll still average 30 mpg and be a 6th man candidate.
huh 6th man? KHuang, are you out of your mind? A reserve for Ricky Rubio?
DeleteIt's not me that would make Lin a reserve behind Ricky Rubio, livyrlife.
DeleteMinnesota thinks Ricky Rubio is a future max contract player and the best young point guard in the NBA.
Even if Lin kills Rubio in practice and outdoes him in games, I would expect Rubio to remain the point guard starter no matter how poorly Rubio plays.
Yet Minnesota can't win, whether Rubio and Love and Pekovic are playing well or not. The reason for that is because their defense is awful and Love is a 6'7" James Harden stat padding player who doesn't defend. The only way Minnesota would make the playoffs is if Lin's teamwork and defense were added to the mix, just like how Houston would have been a 20-30 win team without Lin this year.
Sounds like if Lin is traded to any team, he won't be a starter. That's a horrible thing could have happened to Lin after being a starter on the Rox for a full season.
DeleteJeremy Lin is exactly what many of us Asian American men are on this forum: ASIAN BAND AID.
DeleteAny team Lin plays for in the NBA, including the Rockets, will prefer to use Lin as a low usage defensive stopper off the bench.
When I came on this board in January 2012, I figured that teams would utilize Lin that way just because nobody would trust his offensive game because he was Asian.
However, getting to the playoffs does trump racial prejudice. Lin's gotten two teams into the playoffs now, New York and Houston. With bad teams where the starters don't produce, Lin forces his way onto the court but is yanked for racial as opposed to basketball reasons.
In Houston, Lin is "Asian Band Aid". He plays alongside Harden and Beverley because those SCRUBS can't play a shred of defense and need Lin to protect them via his stellar help defense. Lin is stuck into games when the outcome is in doubt, as he goes to work and sets about repairing the team's selfish woes. But if the team is doing well, goodbye Lin because other nonAsian players are more valued than he is.
No matter what team Lin gets on in the NBA, this is the dynamic he faces.
KHuang, you forgot Rubio can't shoot the 3 ball. I don't think he would be a good backcourt partner with Lin.
DeleteI didn't say that Rubio would be a "good" backcourt partner with Lin.
DeleteRicky Rubio is the most valued player in Minnesota, regardless of whether he's got game or not. Nobody can usurp his position as the team's starting point guard.
As underrated as Jeremy Lin is, Ricky Rubio is overrated. That's why I think Minnesota would start Jeremy Lin to make Rubio look better.
What are u smoking? No way in hell Lin goes to minn. that is the most ludicrous thing I heard. OMG!! I just wanna bash my head hearing such nonsense.
DeleteIt's just speculation, Solidz75.
DeleteJust a bunch of fanboys making stuff up.
You're too emotional. It's not an insult to you, so CHILL OUT.
If Lin can't play game #3, Morey and McHale would have a BRIGHT & HUGE opportunity to prove their "basketball minds" points !!!!!
ReplyDeleteMcHale and Morey shouldn't mind if Lin can't play anymore the rest of this series. They've always tried to prove - and constantly insinuated in the press whenever they opened their mouths - that Lin isn't a starter, and that the backups should star over Lin. Well, Morey and McHale NOW HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY to prove their points in this *PLAYOFF* series AND WHILE EVERYONE IS WATCHING ON NATIONAL TV !!!!! It's also a great opportunity for Beverley to rise to the occasion - I should say AGAIN.
I don't think it'll work though. After playing 40 good minutes, Beverley will be scouted. Even though they have been trying to demoralize Lin, while instilled confidence in Beverley (and the other backup, Douglas, before him), Lin has proven that he's been a better player OVERALL (Most reserves play better than starters sometimes, and the bench players from teams like the Spurs, Nuggets and Clippers play well consistently). Thus, I expect Lin to play better with another team, while Beverley's upside (possibly as a starter- if hopefully they trade Lin) wouldn't be as drastic, since he's already been supported and nurtured to succeed by the coaching team (plus Bev has 2.5 more pro experience, albeit in overseas).
After banging Westbrook's knee I fear Beverly will be knocked around some this next game. It could be a dangerous 3rd game.
Deleteif Jeremy doesn't play on game 3,I'd like Westbrook to punk the daylights out of Beverly as retaliation to all those calling PBev as tough or Rondo-material
Delete^ I don't think it's cool to wish ill upon PB just because haters use him to bring down Lin.
DeleteHaters are heartless animals (I don't consider them people), let's not stoop down to their levels.
I am Patrick Beverley's biggest hater on this forum, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Jeremy Lin.
DeleteI am a true NBA fan, not specifically a Lin only fan. I watch the NBA because I want to see the best players playing the best basketball - and Beverley is NOT WORTHY.
Beverley's lack of court sense, lack of creative skill, and slow reflexes are galling to me. There are so many openings on the court that he is utterly incapable of taking advantage of, and opposing scrub PGs shred him defensively when Lin's not protecting him from the other backcourt position. This is why Patrick Beverley always is a LOSING player that either ruins the lead that Lin created or turns a losing game into a blowout loss. The more he plays, the worse the Rockets do.
There are so many more deserving point guards that ought to be playing instead of Patrick Beverley. Even Aaron Brooks who has looked bad because of inconsistent minutes is vastly superior to Patrick Beverley. Play the veteran with real proven skill, not the D-league scrub who is getting PUNKED by opposing point guards when Lin is not around to protect him.
I myself would prefer Lin to have a much more capable backup. It sounds strange, but it would actually improve Lin's quality of basketball. Too many times, Jeremy Lin has had to bring the Rockets back from oblivion because Patrick Beverley got greyhounded by a 3rd string opposing point guard who averages 2 points a game. If Lin didn't have to constantly save the Rockets because of Beverley's horrifically bad play, Lin wouldn't have to kill himself repairing the damage caused by Beverley losing the Rocket's momentum.
@Captain Marvel - animals have hearts than those haters, even those that may be deemed "heartless".it's an insult to animals to compare them to haters. unfortunately WB is out with a torn meniscus.
Deleteon another note, based on KHuang's comment above, thinking about how Reggie Jackson CAN outplay Bev... well :D :D :D
Ya IsabeliJane, the same Reggie Jackson from UConn that Jeremy Lin TORE INTO in that Harvard game.
DeleteI have seen time and time again (maybe 75 to 85% ??) when Lin was either taking a breather or benched (and Douglas or Beverley was on the court), the Rockets lead shrank to nothing or if they were trailing, their deficit widened. Occasionally, their lead temporarily remained or even went up a little and whenever that happened, McHale left the backups too long (in effect treating them like the starters and treating Lin like a backup) and that's how the Rockets LOST SEVERAL GAMES (maybe between 6 to 8 games lost that way)!!! Of course, McHale lost at least several more games because of his inability to make in-game adjustments (he got the team to lose too many overtime and close games).
DeleteYou da man Jeremy!
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ReplyDeleteI don't follow CP3 as much as other point guards, but I didn't know he could have a bad game. I thought his bad game would be a good game. Well, today he shown that he's a human. BTW, I only checked the boxscore.
Everyone can have a bad game here and there, bro.
DeleteApparently only Lin is not allowed to have a bad game or he's not starting material.
Ha! True. (;~/)
DeleteChris Paul has had MANY bad games, especially in the playoffs.
DeleteWhen he's guarded by a rangy small forward who's getting max contract shotblocking help, Chris Paul really struggles.
If Lin struggled the way Chris Paul did, Lin wouldn't even make an NBA roster.
It *appears* he played good defense though, assuming he guarded Conley as Conley shot 1-9 in the game.
DeleteDid anyone actually watch the game? How did CP3 vs Conley play? I didn't watch the game.
DeleteIn crunch time, the last 5 mins of the 4th Quarter where LAC were 12pts behind, CP3 air-balled a trey, fouled, turnover...ok, not to diss him as he's a proven all-star. It just tell us, after all, CP3 can have bad games too. So why can't Lin?
DeleteLivyrlife, we don't live in an ideal world. You're just being sarcastic, right? Or is it actually a question?
DeleteLOL, even DWade had 1-12 shooting.
DeleteRikki, i'm vexed over the discrimination, injustice against Lin...heck, I even felt hopeless briefly after his perceivably bad game in his very first playoffs. But I hang in there regardless.
DeleteCP3's bad game is just a reminder to me that as a Lin's fan, I, occasionally need to have reality check and a dose of sanity to appreciate that Lin is striving for unprecedented success in an imperfect world. And that's what makes his story ever more interesting and inspiring.
Some CP3 LAST NIGHT.
DeleteThanks via.
DeleteIt never ceases to amaze us how resourceful you are. :)
I watched the game last night. ZBo totally beasted it out and punked both Griffin and Barnes.I sure wish ZBo play with Jeremy.
DeleteIn all fairness how do you know Beverly isn't scouted? Are you suggesting that backups that are often used a lot are not scouted? Maybe you guys know something I don't. I don't know how this works.
ReplyDeleteWho cares? If you have Lin, Harden, Parsons, Asik, and Bev on the court, guess which players are going to get the most attention from the opposing team's defense?
DeleteIt's not like Beverley is totally unscouted. It's that teams would happily let this one game/two game wonder do whatever he likes with the ball while taking the ball out of the hands of more dangerous players like Lin and Harden. Unless Beverley can do what he does consistently and actually win his team some games. Teams would be happy to leave him unguarded and post whatever stats he likes.
DeleteIt's more like teams have scouted Beverley and decided that he's not worth paying attention to.
DeleteWHAT JEREMY LIN'S PLAYOFF PERFORMANCE MEANS FOR ME
ReplyDeleteVia dear, who is Alexander Siu?
DeleteHe's a Social Media Manager @ KOLLABORATION
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love his last statement: that he is jlin's fan not rox's fan
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DeleteOn the Grantland podcast (4/25 part 2/2 about the 25min mark) Bill and Jalen state that JLin is a trade-able asset now that PBev has "outplayed JLin in the playoffs."
ReplyDeleteThis off-season will be interesting...
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9212579&s=espn
How many times did we have to hear the same stuff again and again this season? How many times did the 5th starter get changed this season and then flame out completely while Lin started every game?
DeletePeople are so silly. When Lin does well, people say it's because teams are focused on Harden, leaving Lin opportunities. When Bev does well with both Harden and Lin on the court at the same time, he's now a better player than Lin. Such clowns.
DeleteIf Beverly "played better" ... wouldn't that make him more tradeable than Lin ? What team would want to take a lesser player who gets paid more ?
DeleteIn that podcast, Bill Simmons says that Lin is not athletic. LMAO. I listen to Simmons but the guy is just an entertainer; his analysis is no better than that of a random Joe Blow couch potato.
DeleteJalen says Lin can't even get the ball across half court and brings up the Miami game last year. What a fool. He either does not watch any games, or he is incredibly biased.
Lin's one year at Houston and short season at Knicks proved that he can play either as a skilful steady distributing type PG or as an offensive point racking guard (linsanity). Other GM's are salivating at the prospect of Lin coming on the market or if Houston are stupid enough to waive him.
DeleteSimmons and Rose are both idiots. Jeremy has done much more in his short time in the nba than Rose has ever done in his entire career. The biggest achievement Rose has done is allowing Kobe to score 80+ points on his watch. Loser.
DeleteGod, just after one game, the haters are cropping up everywhere.
Thie Rox have done much more to ruin Jeremy's rep than the Knicks could've ever done. Lin has to fight his way out of this or otherwise he will remembered as a folklore.
I know JLin will use all these as motivation...
Delete[Hope he's good enough to play on Saturday.]
And it's on ESPN <- Harden tends to get even more ballhoggier than usual:
17 in 1Q @POR
13 in 1Q @LAL
John Wooden: Every player hits the wall but there are two types of players. The ones who lay on their back and stare at the wall & say I can't believe the wall knocked me down. And the other player who keeps getting back up and is determined to run through the wall. Jere.. U gotta plow thru this bs wall called the rockets!!!
ReplyDeleteYes he will!
DeleteSeriously though. How is it possible that no one apparently supports Lin or acknowledges his talents/skills, and people keep trying to bring him down? Such utter crap. I still think it's because the concept of Lin is too threatening. Asian-American, Harvard educated and excellent NBA basketball player.
I find ironic that Lin is in practically no promos for the playoffs that I have seen but he and Steve Novak are highlighted for the NBA D-League as ones who made it to the NBA.
I read some article where they were saying that the Knicks/Knicks' fans were protective of Lin. It just seems like the Rockets' fan base and organization leave Lin out to dry, and that they couldn't care less about Lin. Simply put, it sucks and Houston sucks.
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DeleteHe will. [No doubt at all about it.] =)
DeleteAnd yes, Nyk fans [those not bitter and hating bcos of last FA] are awesome. [They are the primary reason he wanted to go back to NY.]
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DeleteNot sure if it's been posted, some might find interesting~
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Jeremy Lin Injury Update 2013.04.25
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkx7zIHTBXo
For those of you guys who are rooting for a Jlin trade, and I believe quite a few of us, I would love to see Lin to be traded to ANY Eastern conference teams, but obviously a contender like Indiana like someone pointed out.
ReplyDelete1. It is a easier conference for sure. The Easts is so week, that Lin can easily take average team to a "contender" status.
2. No elite defensive guard that can even stop Lin's penetration. Rondo and Rose not healthy enough, and even if they were, Lin played very well agains both before.
3. Love to see Lin destroy the Knicks game after game....lol
Lin is not going anywhere, so please stop with the trade rumors or fantasy!!!!
DeleteAhh, but it's FUN to fantasize.
DeleteIn light of Lin's tenuous position with the Rockets, it's only natural to fantasize.
Last year, people were like "Lin will never leave the Knicks". Even the Knicks were saying that. People were right only in metaphor - Lin will likely always be embraced by Knick fans in spirit but not in payroll.
There's not a single elite guard in the East OR West that can stop Lin's penetration. The only team that can stop Lin's penetration is his Houston team.
I'm not rooting for a trade though I totally understand why people would desire that. I want Lin to get much better than he is. I'm not saying he's not good now. But you can't tell me, for example, that a Tony Parker would have the same experience as JLin if he was in his shoes. I realize that he's not able to be "the point guard" as much as he or his fans desire. But if he can develop a really great jump shot and work on some other things, it won't matter what system he's in. And that's what I'm hoping for.
DeleteTony Parker had some VERY rough years in his early NBA years.
DeleteBesides, Parker has Tim Duncan on the court to set him up and erase mistakes. I don't actually think of Tony Parker as a true pass first "point guard" like Lin, as Tim Duncan is actually the true point guard on the team even though Duncan doesn't bring the ball up the court.
Lin needs a spin move off either shoulder in order to shoot his jump shot. Right now Lin is a great straight line penetrator and a pretty decent standstill jump shooter. He's even shown some stop and pop capability, and we all remember the times he ROASTED Jrue Holiday and Damien Lillard with his wicked spin dribble. If Lin could master those spin moves, he could elevate for jump shots off drives to the side and that would make him a complete offensive threat.
Lin's SO GOOD that he hasn't NEEDED to develop those spin moves at the NBA level yet!
Sadly, if Lin was Black or White, I bet he wouldn't get a quarter of the hate he's getting now.
ReplyDeleteLook at DRose, he sat out the whole year, yet I don't see that much hate compared to Lin (who played the entire season, got injured in one playoff game).
Also, Landry Fields got a big contract too. Sometimes he has bad games too, yet no one is hating him as much.
Haters don't want to admit it, but deep down they hate him because he's an Asian American playing in a Black/White basketball league.
Racism these days is very subtle, it's not as direct as in the past. So they use excuses as he wasn't drafted, he's a turnover machine, can't go left, etc... Notice how it isn't even about the Rockets winning or losing, they come out whenever Lin has a bad game(even if Rockets win that game).
If Lin were black or white, he'd be hailed by everybody as a future Hall of Fame superstar.
DeleteThe worship that Jason Kidd got in his 3rd year despite being an INFERIOR player to Lin? That's what Jeremy "Lynn" would be getting.
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ReplyDeleteHoly...Thunder announces Russell Westbrook will undergo surgery in the coming days to repair a lateral meniscus tear in right knee. No joke.
Yes, heard it too. PB will be labeled as a dirty player from now on....
DeleteI do not think that on is dirty, unnecessary maybe. It is just bad to see any player get injuries.
DeleteDamn it sucks. I really like Westbrook. It's the same injury as Lin last year as well.
DeleteNo way... Wow pb is going to be the most hated player in OKC.
DeleteIt is really bad for both PB and WB for sure.
DeleteI just saw it heard too. Also heard Westbrook hasn't been hurt since high school? Must be tough for him. Not going to bode well for PB and rockets. Imagine the reception if they do make it back to OKC..
ReplyDeleteDamn, Jeremy Lin.
DeleteDerrick Rose really exerted himself against Lin and messed up his knee. Now Westbrook.
What are you talking about KHuang?
DeleteI think he refers to the play that Lin blocked Rose. Rose complaint afterward about how that play hurt his knee.
DeleteRikki M, Derrick Rose said that he injured his knee playing against Lin last year.
DeleteHe openly said that his knee gave out on him when Lin flyswatted his shot off the backboard in that Bulls-Knicks game.
I didn't buy that at the time because late in the game, Rose beautifully beat Lin on a give and go and elevated for a rim rattling dunk. Lin got left in the dust that time, but for the entire game Lin was KILLING Rose who needed 30 shots to score 30 points against Lin - most of those points scored by losing Lin on screens.
Russell Westbrook came out in the playoffs flying against Lin. Like Rose, he had to really exert himself to athletically go through and over Lin. Even so, Westbrook hasn't been able to do much with Lin on the court either as a straight defender or a help defender. It wouldn't surprise me that Westbrook overexerted himself trying to beat Lin.
I've googled all over the place of your claim about Rose openly said that he injured himself against Lin last season but I couldn't found any. Can you give the source?
DeleteI think you need to find the post game interview. It is a year ago. probably hard to find. I remembered he said it.
Deletea lot of guys hailed Westbrook as the fastest PG in the league now.I think he overexerted himself playing against Jeremy.eye test, their speed match.I don't buy that bullcrap saying Westbrook is faster than Jeremy.
DeleteI don't either, I thought they have those motion cams installed all over the place. It should be a known fact already to Teams regarding who it the fastest PG.
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Deleteimo, Westbrook looks faster because his steps are somewhat bigger than Jeremy's steps. it's like one step for Jeremy, 2 steps for Westbrook.
DeleteI think this would work DERRICK ROSE IS A JEREMY LIN FAN
DeleteGoody lord Rose's eyelash really that long? He don't look so tough to me now
Delete@Rikki - I think his eyelashes are really nice.makes his eyes more expressive or soulful...
DeleteI think this forum is fine most of the time, but wow, some people here are nuts....
DeleteYou're the biggest flametroll of all, TVN.
DeleteYou who insisted that Lin would never make it in the NBA.
You're just angry that Lin PUNKED THE CRAP OUT OF YOU.
I can't imagine how OKC gonna take this shocker. I just hope they won't retaliate on the court, especially Perkins with a hot head. And I'm sure the Houston FO will secretly thank PB for his "unnecessary aggressiveness" e even more to Lins detriment and value PB even more. Don't get me wrong, I like BEV as he is a tough competitor, but the media always find reasons to twist things to hurt Lins image, just like they claim he has no "heart" not to come back after chest contusion in game 2.
ReplyDeleteI seriously doubt little Patrick Beverley had anything to do with causing Westbrook's knee injury.
DeleteRather, Westbrook's aggressive rim rattling style was going to get to him sooner or later.
Like I said above, Westbrook faced the NBA's premier perimeter defender in Jeremy Lin. Normally Westbrook can simply overpower people, but not Lin. Westbrook probably injured himself by overexerting against Lin.
Lin to minn?? Are u crazy? Why don't u just say Lin is going to Washington or Cleveland. Just get a screwdriver and jab my eyes. Please.
DeleteNow now, Solidz75.
DeleteEven though you poking your eyes out with a screwdriver would make a lovely image, it's just fantasy like these baseless trade speculations that I deliberately write here.
There's no need for you to feel as personally attacked and offended as you are.
@KHuang, trust me, if you saw the play, Beverly's lunge at the ball while Westbrook tried to call timeout, directly resulted in Westbrook's torn meniscus injury. Westbrook immedaiatley after that was hopping around for about a minute and , no pun intended, was hopping mad! You are dead wrong--Beverly caused the injury, but Westbrook coontinued to play on pretty well the rest of the game.
DeleteI'll trust you, Spencer Haywood.
DeleteOn the other hand, a guy like Westbrook putting forth his greatest athletic efforts to get past Lin is putting a lot of strain on his body prior to that injury.
Lin takes much harder hits than that every game, but it doesn't knock him out because he doesn't play as much as Westbrook does.
I'm as shocked as all of you are. I wouldn't be surprised if bev gets death threats from pissed off OKC fans. Poor kid. He was just trying to play hard.
ReplyDeleteHaving said that. I always thought Westbrook to be a selfish player who took away shots from Durant, the real superstar. This may be a chance to see how OKC does with durant as THE alpha dog. By no means am I saying OKC is a better team without Russell. This will be interesting to see.
But too bad. U never wanna see an important player getting hurt this time if the year.
Just saw the play for the first time. It wasn't like Perkins dirty, but really unnecessarily physical.
ReplyDeleteBev is going to get a lot of backlash - I wouldn't be surprised if there is a hockey like retaliation from one if the bigs. Maybe bev will get Perkins suspended as well. Gonna be interesting sat
That play was just on par with many plays from Tony Allen in terms of the physicality. And Tony is considered as one of the greatest defender. WTH...
Delete@jonahkeri: Also, good thing the Thunder have James Harden available to step in and run the offense.
ReplyDelete@ChrisMannixSI: Don't know if I would call Patrick Beverly's steal attempt that hurt Westbrook dirty, but it was cheap and unnecessary.
ReplyDeleteCompletely agree with this sentiment
ReplyDeleteWith the RW injury, If Lin is back game 3, I'm hoping he will not be targeted for retaliation, I doubt it will happen but just praying when OKC play more physical as a result, Lin will not aggravate his injury
ReplyDeleteRussell Westbrook's injury means Patrick Beverly is dead meat--guarantee you that Ibaka or Perkins will cheap shot him out of the playoffs. He's a goner. The bigger question is if Lin plays tomorrow and they target him because he's already semi-injured. That would be bad news for Lin. I pray for him that doesn't happen. Or, actually what would be more wicked and calculating by design by the Thunder is if they injure Harden since he's the number one scorer (notice how I didn't say most important player). That could be actually welcome news for Lin if Harden is neutralized by thuggery, because then Lin can take over and be the man as he should have been all along. But mark my words, Beverly is a complete goner next game and will be injured by the Thunder. Even mild-mannered Durant may do the dirty work. I can bet you right now Westbrook has Beverly voodoo dolls by his bedside, wanting to kill Beverly and I don't blame him.
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