Anyone check NBA 2K13 and see if they added a "John Starks mode" to Harden's player profile after tonight's atrocious (and selfish) performance?:)
Harden - bad gameParsons - bad gameMcHale = bad gameLin - ok game, bad minutes. Like someone said, when Lin is in, it's fun watching.Smith - good gameDoes it matter? Probably not in that we'll have a tough first round.Hope Lin rests up, doesn't hurt himself, and have a few good games in playoffs. Harden messed up last year in playoffs, so hopefully, he won't try to hero it up. He's really not fun watching at all. But he's really good when he's on. I like him on OKC last year, because you could always count on him to improve a team's play.
He won't try to hero it up? R u kidding me? He is one if the most selfish players I see. The more the game is on the line the more he tries to do it all by himself. That's what happens when ur coach supports u no matter what.
Yo Solidz75, I know I know ... just hoping for the best. Say cool ... you're great when you are cool. Our Mr. Lin will have great moments ahead.
@JT - last season, Harden was good during regular season but didn't show up during Finals (as well as glimpses during Olympics), but I mostly blamed Westbrook on the losses for ball hogging and shooting too much and I wanted to shout at KD for deferring too much to Westbrook.
Yes, IsabeliJane ... I was thinking of the in-season Harden and how fun he was to watch. Maybe he was affected by that Meta WP elbow to the head. This year, Harden has to be a different kind of guy, and he's going to have to figure out his own game and how to be a team leader.
Last game, one of the announcers said Harden is the leader of the team, as confirmed by McHale. And they went on singing priases of Harden like he's godsend...lol
We have to concede that Harden is given the reins of the team. It is by design by the Rockets front office and coaching staff that Harden is the leader. That's not to say that JLin couldn't be a leader when given the opportunity, but he doesn't get that opportunity with the Rockets. I hope he gets that opportunity on another team at some point in the future.
This is blatantly a coaching FAIL moment that should be burned deep in Les' mind when deciding to extend McHale's contract.What coach would force his struggling superstart to shoot 6-24 in 42 min while benching his 2nd best playmaker for most of the game? After watching Lin and Asik had an offensive rhythm in Q3, he didn't think "Oh, it would be nice to give Harden a breather and let Lin runs the offense with Asik/GSmith/TRob/Parsons/Delfino"Instead he thought, "Oh, let me see what other players can complement Harden to get him out of the shooting slump?"What a coaching FAIL moment!McHale and Harden were waiting to give a post-game interview with "We stuck by him despite early struggle but we knew he could pull it out since he is such a superstar! That's what a star do" line but they crashed back to reality.After his last-second shot last game, Harden developed super-diva mentality even refusing to pass to an open streaking Parsons going to the basket. The announcer had to make excuses for him that he had to make his man commit towards the very end. So weak.I see McHale and Harden are getting disillusioned with playing Super-ISO-Harden complemented by strong D by Bev and inside presence of GSmith/TRob. SMHOnly wins-losses in the playoff would determine the fate of this miserable fools masquerading as coaches.
@Psalm,May I correct you: benching the 2nd best player. Lin is the best playmaker on the team. :)
It all boiled them to one thing who was hurting the team most.Harden.He attempted 24 to 26 shots, made only 6 and missed 18 to 20 shots and the team was down by 9 points only ( = 3 3points or 5 two points).He was shooting poorly and insisting on shooting more.
@livylife, yes sorry, "2nd best player" is right :DI'm just bewildered by how foolish and stubborn these coaches wanting to be right with their system that they blinded themselves and can't make simple adjustment.
hey no need to say sorry, psalm. i have too much frustration to vent and by reiterating lin is the best playmaker on the team makes me feel less depressed.
"It all boiled them to one thing who was hurting the team most. Harden"Don't tell that to Morey. He is building Harden into a superstar. Again, as I mentioned before, the Harden trade will defy Morey's career.
Interesting read on nbadot com.georges comment"[Harden] has all the weapons to get his own shot If you make it tough for him early on, he's going to try to make it to where he can get his own still and get his numbers, and that kind of will take you out of the game. Tonight, that's what I tried to do." --so how I read that is...Harden wants to get his stat numbers at the risk of loosing.
@Psalm,Totally agree. If Lin decides to leave Houston after his contract ends, I won't blame him. I hate it when players quit their teams to chase a ring (ie Lebron or Dwight), but I don't blame Lin because he's being treated as a token Asian-D-leaguer.
@KHuang, your man Tyler H did your numbers! I couldn't bear to watch, so sorry about that :-)
I was working tonight. Tyler Hansbrough is exactly the player the Rockets need, though it's highly likely McHale would bench him too. It's unacceptable for Lin to be played this little in a loss. BAD COACHING.
He and Hibbert had the paint stuffed. Harden and Parsons were bricking, though Parsons did have a few good layups early on to get things going (from Lin). Lin could not get in, as these two are just too big for his layups.
McHale gotta let JLin play through those TO's. The three early TO's probably decided JLin's minutes.Plus, when the coaches think the team lacks energy, they seem to pin it on the pg to get the team going. But I didn't think it had to do with the Rockets playing with low energy, but more to the Pacer's credit for being very good at slowing things down.They needed JLin to attack the Pacers like he did on the Knicks.
I just don't get McHale. Y does he have such a short leash on him? If he is going to do that, just man up and start Beverley. He doesn't need to be this conniving little bitch trying to get bev more minutes. Just start him and problem solved.
2 reasons. One he hates Lin so he wants to embarrass him and show Les he is flash in the Pan. Secondly, he is waiting for the right opportunity, he is a devious snake and would time it well so it looks warranted. I'm sure you know this solidZ
@SGUO,It's okay. 3 years will fly by real quickly and Lin can bring Linsanity to an organization that'll appreciate him for his skills on the court and not just for marketing reasons.
McHale is a card carrying member of the Lin Haters Club. So Lin's 3 TO in the first 7 minutes (!!!) scared the shit out of McHale (during that time span, Lin also missed a layup that looked so awkward and sloppy). Frankly, I think it was DESERVED this time (as well as only SOME other times).It was no surprise that Lin didn't play much, since McHale has always kept an EXTREMELY SHORT LEASH on Jeremy Lin (it took a toll on his confidence, which is all important in pro basketball): The shortest leash in the ENTIRE NBA. I know it for certain, because I watch enough other games AND I check EVERY BOXSCORES all the time and periodically during games, AND BELIEVE ME, other starters - even the best of them - have bad stretches also, especially early in the games. When someone (Lin) is afraid to make mistakes, he makes more mistakes, because keep thinking about mistakes (because he doesn't want to make mistakes - just like a dieter keeps thinking about food) caused self-fulfilling prophecy to materialize..... The Rockets GM & coaching staff - because of their disbelief in and short leash on Lin - has been detrimental to Lin's confidence. Lin might want to consider seeing a private sports psychologist to combat the empowered negative army.
Lin should somehow overcome the "negative army" (a private sports psychologist? because of the sustained and power of that army) and start THINKING about making the RIGHT PLAYS. It's not easy for Lin because it's him against the "army" and also it's a player against his superiors (although Lin is better paid).
I don't know what to expect for rockets..Because the coach doesn't rely on his starting point guard..Everytime the make iso for harden it's always ended to a loss..But when they let their starting pg play his game give the best assist ..Tonight where is montejunas? Asik? They only defend on lin passes..Because will not trust them to shoot the ballNot like lin..Lin will not demand 26 shots a game but he will give them nice shots goods stats..And alsi for himself.In short team basketball Not that you have 22pts 8ass.And almost all of your teammates are unproductible...Im sure his teammates has something to say about him...Off the court..Even us as we play basketball we get disgusted if one of our teammates playing alone with the ball..Really lin is making a difference He never do any bad comment or anything Even they crucifying him..Just as the Lord Jesus Christ he freely give himself for all our sins..We just need to accept him in our hearts as our own and personal savior..
The more assist Harden made, the more likely the rockets lost.This is a fact supported by many games in the past.Harden missed 18 shots in the game which factored to about 18/83 = 21.7% of the team scoring average. If you pull the team scoring average down by about 20%, the team will loss.6/24 = 25%; that tells you Harden have made too many shots cheap by all standard.
I have another Bible quote for you guys to sum up the coaching situation:"As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly" - Proverbs 26:11
Well now morey and mchale can show it to les that lin is no good.the fans blaming lin for his bad performance.misson accomplished.
Tonight I thought James NEEDED Jeremy to help complete comeback in third quarter, but he refused to let Lin help. Instead he went all John Starks and the results were very, very ugly.
He missed 18 shots. 18 scoring opportunitie were all wasted on 1 person.The rockets only lost by 9 points.They should bench him instead of Lin.
I actually thought at point in third quarter where Lin is usually sub'd for by Beverley, Harden should have gone to bench this game so Lin could run with TRob and Greg Smith.Harden really short-circuited the comeback attempt in third quarter by not deferring to Lin when he was rolling and then attack after Lin has broken down defense with dribble drive or team ball movement.And when Harden started playing point guard in fourth quarter, whole offense just fell apart. He was not getting good looks for his teammates and he was still bricking the ball.NBA2K13 should add a John Starks mode to James's player profile after that performance. :)
Joe, I had the same thought that McHale should want to run the offense through Lin after his good Q3 performance with Asik while giving Harden some rest. But he stubbornly played Harden for 42 minutes. How crazy was that?When Harden went down for a while, I thought these coaches would get fired soon. If that wakeup call doesn't work, Harden might really get injured. I certainly hope not.
Many Of us here still thinks Lin don't TRUST Lin. I don't thinks that is the issue at all! The problem is not trust when most of the time even when you start to play well you still get pulled and not rewarded with decent playing time, that means you are just biased and hating. Simple truth! Mcgail hates Lin!
I meant Mcgail don't trust Lin
Maybe McHale's got pride issues. He doesn't like to be proven wrong about JLin. Thus the bias against JLin. And the effort to restrict him.Linsanity probably didn't change McHale's opinion of JLin very much.
Wilc, Mcgailrebuffed Linsanity as legit, he treats Lin totally as a rookie
Mchale and Sampson had their heads stuck up each other's asses during Linsanity, that's why they don't trust Lin.
For me, at least the Rocket lost to the Pacers, since they have been my 3rd favorite team. (Rockets, Celtics, pacers 1-2-3 or 2-1-3). Nothing to be too ashamed of losing to a great team.The Celtics were stupid to pass up on Kenyon Martin. It's a 2x whammy for them coz the original KMart has made the Knicks a better team.... Ainge is that cheap; I bet Doc was in. And now look what happened to KG.
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Harden made 24 shots made 6 and got fouled 3 or 4 times. He shot the rockets out of the game.The coaches believed that he is the best player and they should give him the ball. Elementary school students can tell you they are wrong. There is an optimal result. The more you gave him the ball, the less yield would you have at the end. Lin will know the reason. The Law of diminishing marginal return.At the end, you may not expect the coaches like Sampson, McHale would understand. What they have in mind is 'If this doesn't work, they should use it more often'Hope that they're not running a company else it will go bankrupted very soon.
How do you expect low IQ brains to understand logic?
I really agree! It's beyond their comprehension.Those are moron they we are dealing with.
Both Harden and Lin were marginalised; Harden for playing too much minutes, Lin for playing too little.
Reason for Lin's performance is simple. 1quarter- do your thing in 7mins or we'll pull you. 2quarter, 6mins left to the half- do your thing in 2 mins and defer to harden. Same formula for second half. So best case scenario if he's playing well, he has to get at least 15/6 in 18mins to be considered a good game. Now if he has a rough start he really only has 14 min to do something or it's consider a failure. That 18mins is shared with others also so it's really about 9mins.
Good point ... I'm watching Rox in steps ... when Bev is in, I read this blog or do something else. I figure my time is valuable, and I prefer to watch GSW, LAC, LAL, and March Madness if I had any time.So, really, Lin and Lin/Rox fans only get about 10-15 mins of the kind of bball we like. Good way to look at it, JLi.
That 18 mins is shared with harden I should say...
This has really been their formula the whole season. 1 quarter- 1. feel it out with Lin for about 3 plays if it doesn't work, defer to Harden until he is benched. 2. If it works the gets about 3 more plays before everything has to through Harden. 3. Sit at the 7 minute mark. 2nd quarter-1. come in with 6 minute mark2. Run 2 plays3. if it worked run two more but at 4 min mark defer to harden regardless if it was successful.3rd &4th- wash and repeat... So predictable... So maximum 10 plays and about 3 spot up shots and couple loose balls. Best case will be scoring in the high 20's worst case 4points
Still don't understand why PB got the minutes he did after the second half. Same sorry story with this imbecilic franchise. Back to watching back to back Pacers games from last year wherein the Knicks won with a Jeremy led team. For this reason, I doubt Jeremy is scared of contact, he never has been. This is coach led. Yay, Lakers won! Sadly at this point I hope for two scenarios: (1) Rockets fall out of playoff contention because of McHale's coaching and he gets fired, and a great coach arrives in his stead, or (2) Lin gets traded to a team that will let him play his game. I think Lin has learned about all McHale has to offer.
Right there with you... I really am starting to dislike mchale. Morey, the rox and their redneck fans...
Earlier in the season I thought that Mchale was showing tough love to Lin by benching him. But right now, I think Mchale is out to destroy Lin's confidence. I don't want to make assumptions but I think he played Lin 3 mins remaining in the 4th quarter to avoid questions about why Lin didn't play in the 4th quarter. As a Lin fan, Rockets games are more fun to watch when I see Lin playing with confidence.
Sj917,Don't kid yourself. McHale haven't and isn't worried about anyone questioning about Lin's 4th Q minutes. If anything he's been spiteful about it, because of his hatred for Lin and his fans (the fan part also isn't just a speculation; it's from an overtly implied message from an interview), AND due to the support from Morey, his superior. If he benches Lin for the ENTIRE 4th Q even when Lin does well, what makes you think McHale was concerned about benching Lin for the entire 4th when Lin DIDN'T play well? The ONLY reason why Lin was given the last 4.52 minutes (to be exact, by the way) : (1) Beverley wasn't that good either. (2) McHale *knew* they were going to lose because Harden wasn't that hot tonight either. (3) The part of the reason why McHale knew they were going to lose was because - despite the game didn't look totally out of reach (10 point deficit with 4.52 minutes left) - Harden wasn't getting as much FREE THROWS as he'd been getting for a long time (9 instead of like 18).....The Pacers are a darn good team: #1 in Rebound; #1 in least points allowed.
ok just watched the first quarter. McHale already decided to pull Lin out before turnover 2,3. He had done nothing wrong really until then. totally lame. mchale just sucks
They did feature Lin in the offense a lot I thought however in the 1Q. Looked for him and set several plays.
Rewatched to see what you meant, and yes, Bev was called up after Lin got a non-called foul on the first TO. And, you're right, Lin had a good contribution his minutes - couldn't get others going, and there was poor D outside of him. Indiana had no trouble scoring.
Coach works like a doctor.When they make a wrong diagnosis, they gave the wrong prescriptions. They thought it was Lin's fault, but in fact it was because of Harden playing too many minutes, occupied too big a role in team offense, the diminishing marginal return was obvious. The prescription from the coaches to bench Lin are fatal to the team.
so can I sue them for malpractice, and ask for money back of my LP?while at it, I might as well sue them for causing my high blood pressure, ulcer, headache, ...
go ahead HY. it's a scam by the Rox. Show no mercy to con men!
If Lin could do well in the Knicks but couldn't function properly in the rockets, whose fault is this? 'Linsanity is for real' said Magic Johnson.He suggested other players had to take a lesser role for Linsanity. It worked. The coaches of the rockets came up with another formula but it is getting worse results. If they insisted, the rockets will go downhill all the way.
Before the season, I though McHale would be a good coach, but he's proved that he's no better than Keith Smart. He'd rather have his PG 0 assists as long he has 0 turnovers. He showed that tonight, playing Beverley 28 mins even though he only had 1 assist (and only 1 TO). I bet McHale thinks Beverley had a great game. Meanwhile Lin has 4 assists/4 tos in 20 mins and was benched.Like Keith Smart, McHale treats Lin like a scrub. Although in Smart's defense, Lin was unproven at that point, whereas Lin is already proven now, so that's an even worse reflection on McHale's talent evaluation. (By the way, McHale was also the one who pushed the Rockets to draft Royce White.)Like Keith Smart, McHale is over-dependent on his star player, to the point where it is detrimental to the team. Smart played Monta too many minutes, and even though Smart preached defense, he never held Monta accountable for his lack of defense. Smart felt that Monta was the team's only chance to win. Well, funny thing is that after Monta was traded away, the Warriors are having their best season. McHale is playing Harden too much, even when he's playing poorly and not defending.
The only way McHale is going to get fired is if Harden gets an ACL. Playing Harden this many minutes for a recipe for an ACL or MCL to happen.
And he could get a PCL, which would end his career. Hope not, and it will be on tired legs and that is probably the fault of the rotation guy.
Old school coaches over-emphasize not committing turnovers. I understand the rationale: when you turn the ball over, you don't even get a shot attempt. So on the surface, it seems logical that a turnover is the worst outcome of a possession.However, not all turnovers are equal. Some turnovers are purely detrimental, like dribbling the ball off your foot or some unforced turnover. But certain turnovers (or rather, certain plays that can lead to turnovers) can be a higher percentage play than a poor shot attempt. For example, attempting a long outlet fast break pass (a favorite of Lin's). Maybe that risky pass leads to a turnover 1/3 of the time, which sounds quite high. But if you can complete that pass, it's a 90% chance of ending with a dunk or layup. So the total probability of that play is 67% x 90% = 60%. Which is very high percentage play and certainly better than a iso step back jumper that has a 38% of going in.But old school coaches just stick to their mantra, " absolutely no turnovers" without analyzing the bigger picture. I liken this to the football strategy of always punting on 4th down rather than going for it. Old school mentality was that the risk of failing to convert a 4th down was catastrophic, so you'd be stupid to take that risk. Well, now advanced stats has proved that in most cases, you'd be better off attempting a 4th down rather than punting. And slowly, a few coaches are starting to shift their strategy.
Yup, that's why they love Bev and hate Lin - they want a singles hitter at point guard, not a homerun hitter. They want someone who'll hit some shots, not turn the ball over, and stay out of Harden's way. They honestly think they don't need a legit point guard to win, because they think of Harden as their point guard. So, they just want someone serviceable like Beverly to complement Harden and just not turn the ball over. Like in the Spurs game. And, tonight, they thought the same thing - Harden and Beverly in the fourth quarter would give Rockets better chance of winning than Harden and Lin. Problem was, Harden was shut down by George, and Beverly isn't very good, so the team started to get blown out by the Pacers in the fourth. Lin should've come back in with eight or nine minutes left in the fourth. Instead, you saw Mcdoofus see his team go down in flames while his best playmaker rotted on the bench. Finally, he brings in Lin with 4 and half minutes left, but the team down by 10. That has to be the dumbest substitution I've ever seen a coach make. Bringing back your starting point guard in the fourth with only 4 minutes left and down by 10??????? With about 6 minutes left in the game, 99% of the coaches in the NBA has the five players out there that he wants finishing the game. The only time you have late substitutions with less than 6 minutes in the fourth is when a starter is in foul trouble, or the coach makes offense/defense or match-up substitutions.No coach other McDoofus would play his substitute point guard for the entire fourth quarter, then bring in his starting point guard with just 4 and a half minutes remaining, because the game got out of hand with the sub in the game. WTF?????
"No coach other McDoofus would play his substitute point guard for the entire fourth quarter, then bring in his starting point guard with just 4 and a half minutes remaining, because the game got out of hand with the sub in the game."Right, I forgot to post my other point: Like Smart, McHale also has no set rotation. At the end of the season, he's still experimenting, grasping at straws, and trying random substitutions out of desperation.
Can we get a petition going to fire Mchale? I'm going to start a fire coach mchale site if this shit keeps going. Gotta protect our Asian brother from shady coaches.
I've got a better idea:Petition NBA 2K13 gamermakers to add a John Starks mode to James Harden's player profile after tonight's atrocious performance.:)
Lin on slow starts: "That happens a lot, unfortunately, for us. So we've gotta figure out a way for us to get going faster, earlier
And Lin was the first and only to score for first 3.5 mins.Parsons, 1 brickHarden, 2 bricksLin, 1 TO, 1-FG for 2, 1 missed layup that twisted his ankle, and one uncalled offensive foul by KHuang's Pysho T. Meanwhile, Asik did not take a pass to the rim, and DMo hesitated on an open 3 from Lin, that resulted in Lin's TO mistake.I'd say he got it going, and the rest did not.
Does anyone in this forum know the truth behind what Jeremy is going through on this team? Has he been broken by this coach? Does he think he deserves to be benched if he is not perfect, when his team mates eff up right and left and play 40 min? Is anyone a personal friend of Jeremy's on this sight? He has an enormous sense of self control. He is so composed and political during interviews. I don't know how he handles the abuse unless they are turning him and making him believe he deserves this unreasonable punishment.
Rose ... He could be so poised because he's inner-confident. He already said, he's playing to glorify God, so maybe when he gets his minutes cut, he's teflon Jeremy because he's got his daily meditation in his heart. I'd like to have that in work politics, so I know who I am at all times.
Lin is extremely competitive. Don't misunderstood his political correctness mean he is weak or passive. He has a team of people advising him what and how to say things. I wish people just stop with calling Lin weak. If you question his competitiveness, then you don't know him at all. He does not expressed his anger/disappointment doesn't mean that he is okay with how he is being treated.
I would say he's not too happy about it. from what i see and believe, that when he;s on the bench n the last 3 games, he's just there, he doesn't cheer or anything he's just sitting there. his teammates don't really respect him, they do one night and the other completely look him off. I honestly believe that Lin isn't too close to his teammates like in NY, heck even Carmelo and Lin seemed to be pretty close. Lin and Parsons seems to have distance too, Lin and Harden i don't even think are close too, the handshake is w.e. the atmosphere just isn't like how it was when he was with the Knicks, it's completely different.
Don't worry Rose, Jeremy has far more inner strength than people realize, coming from his faith in God. Remember that he has persevered through much worse, and he will persevere again. I'm sure he knows he is being treated unfairly and is being disrespected, but he is making the best of a bad situation, handling it with dignity and honor.
Thanks Joe and Everyone who answered. I agree that Jeremy is very strong and he gets that strength from his spirituality. He can except anything if he believes it is part of God's plan. He probably thinks of all these obstacles as stepping stones to where he should be some day. It is hard for us fans to watch. Maybe we need to have a little faith also. :) I will just hope for now that if Jeremy stays with this team, they eventually come to value and respect him, and if he leaves, it will be to a place that deserves him.
Rose, what you can be sure of is that Lin will be a good role model for your kids for a long time to come. Every time he is graceful but slightly tense in an interview, he is teaching all his kid fans how to act under adversity. That is going to help them a lot in life.
BTW, P Pat and TD are performing nicely against the Warriors. I wish Houston kept them and traded McFail.
I'm glad we lost and this completely refutes that San Antonio game, we barely won and yet we're too hype off of it and people were on Bev's and Harden's nuts abt that game, and this one was one of the many to always rephrase that we NEED a better coach, some nights it works and most it doesn't work. The coaches NEED to figure how to work Lin and Harden together because that's where they're deadly and when they revert to their old style of iso-harden we lose. What I notice from this game is that, Harden seems to respect Bev more then Lin, he'll let Bev handle the ball more or pass to him, whereas for Lin, once Lin passes the ball to him the chances of him seeing it back is slim to none. It's like Harden doesn't like passing to Lin or something and he looks Lin off wayyyy too much. but it's not only him, the whole team seems to respect Bev more then Lin, like they pass him the ball back and let him handle, for Lin they fight for the ball with him. and also seems like his teammates don't even know how to play with Lin at all. No wonder Lin can't even do an alley-oop all season, no one really backs him up. Asik and Smith seems to know this that Lin will pass but the others don't.TBH I've yet to see Lin play a full qtr like Parsons of Harden or even Bev. Parsons is a good shooter and defender, he's not a good playmaker so idk why McHale lets him run with the 2nd unit and not Lin. Bev is a good spark, but damn McHale where is the respect for Lin's game? He played well in the 3rd qtr and he was yanked. I think if he stayed all of the 2nd half, the outcome may have changed because it looked like he was starting to heat up then yanked and seriously brought back in the last 4mins of the game for garbage time. I'm glad he made that 3pointer, padding his stats. Also I've come to conclude that whenever Harden has more assists then Lin, expect Rox to lose, very very few times has this worked where Harden has more and we win, it's always Lin has more and Rox win. I doubt anything will change, we've been thru this shit wayyyy too many times to expect any change. It's not and we know it. I hope Lin gets traded to a diff team or bolt as soon as his contract is up, I'm sure he will, he seems pretty pissed abt this dumb shit McHale pulls too. And and I have to say Lin is quietly showing his displeasure with the whole rotation, when he's on the bench he just sits there, he doesn't really cheer or anything he's just there. I like that he's quietly rebelling. He didn't even flinch when the others made "great" plays he was just there. I hope he gets out of this slump soon.2nite n the 3rd qtr it seems like he's almost back, hopefully Friday he'll have a better game.Lastly seems like Parsons and Harden will be burnt out by playoffs because of the heavy minutes, seems like Lin and Asik may be the ones to shine because they're well rested, I hope. idk just my rant about tonight's lost.
Honestly Mcshithead values Parsons more than Harden. A lot of times Parsons played more minutes than Harden.This sounds creepy, but it seems Mcshithead likes WHITE BOYS. He gave Dragic confidence by allowing him to play through his mistakes the way he allows Parsons. Dragic didn't say Mcshithead was a great coach, but only credited him by saying the he gave confidence.
you're spot on. mchale favors white boys. dragic, parsons...
The only reason they beat the Spurs was that the refs gave Harden 10 more trips to the charity line. His FGP was not much better than tonight. Most of his numbers are padded by favorable calls from refs. Lin on the other hand....
Lin has shown immense patience. For many people, they wouldn't even want to play at all given this kind of accountability.The best way to get the coaches fired is to start a multi-game losing streak and get bumped out of the playoff.
i think Lin is quietly doing that, i mean his posture when he's benched and when he plays in garbage times, he doesn't try as hard and does what he's told, pass to Harden to brick or make.
Also I was on Clutchfans just reading and the cmnts there are a bit hilarious, a few nights ago everyone was praising McHale's rotation and 2night again it's restated, Rox need a better coach. Everyone there like here doesn't seem please too abt the coaching tonight. *sigh* the life of being a Rox fan, one night we're praising our head coach the next we want him gone. and then we praise that Harden is a beast, and he is, then say he ball hogs wayyy too much. funny things
Are you sure you are on the correct site? Harden is GOD over there who can do no wrong. I swear Clutchfans are some of the lowest IQ fans around.
I think I was lol. I just kinda skimmed thru and I did catch a few, but yes Harden is GOD over there. Clutchfans is interesting to read especially after this game :)
This has really been their formula the whole season.1 quarter-1. feel it out with Lin for about 3 plays if it doesn't work, defer to Harden until he is benched.2. If it works the gets about 3 more plays before everything has to through Harden.3. Sit at the 7 minute mark.2nd quarter-1. come in with 6 minute mark2. Run 2 plays3. if it worked run two more but at 4 min mark defer to harden regardless if it was successful.3rd &4th- wash and repeat... So predictable...So maximum 10 plays and about 3 spot up shots and couple loose balls.Best case will be scoring in the high 20'sworst case 4points
I appreciate this and I will watch for it. I try to rewatch to see objectively what is really going on with who tried what, and when I do, I understand objectively why I so like to watch Lin play - he just makes a difference on most plays that he's active on.
Houston is one James Harden injury away from a long losing streak, missing the playoffs, and being exposed as a medicore team.Without Harden, the Houston offense would be nothing. And, worst of all, McHale would still probably not use Lin to the utmost of his abilities.
You moron I don't give a flying fuck about Harden!! Are you too clueless to realize he's not a superstar but just an over-glorified ball hog who has the greenlight for no accountability and is severely hated by his teammates. You dolt, without Harden, and with Lin controlling the team the Rockets would be something like a 2 or 3 seed, not a 7th seed. Lin makes his teeam and teammates better, Harden does not!! What games are you watching?
The rockets has destroyed a team of winning records by sending away Patterson, Morris, TD, Cole Aldrich. That's a team that works well with Lin.They start rebuilding around Harden.However, the chemistry is not working right for the rockets. The team scoring has been down. With Harden running the plays, the team scoring drops.The problem for the rockets is they have too much of Harden. A symptom of over dosage that kills the rockets momentum.
You better learn some manners, punk. I ain't speaking to you and could care less what what you think--or whether you dropped off the face of the earth, for that matter.It's obvious you are not watching the games. Houston is heavily reliant on Harden. And even without Harden, McHale would not use Lin correctly--and hence Houston would lose.
Easy there, Spencer Haywood. lxy is not disagreeing with you.
So are you still a big advocate of McHale? Do you think he has Lin's best interests in mind? From the first few games it was obvious McHale had it out for Lin. But I guess you still don't see that do you?
Spencer Haywood - just today, a friend told me ... people don't go about thinking about how they are going to harm someone else. They go around thinking how they are going to help themselves, regardless of how it affects others. McHale is not out to get Lin in my book - he just thinks he's helping himself by doing to Lin what most fans, LOF of HOF, don't like. Like someone said here, these are the fun nights to go to CF. Heading.over.now.
And, some people desire to hurt others precisely because of how it affects others. Just because something doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to the perpetrator.
Is this true? Is there a link? Wow....
Maybe McHale should just start Bev
i think that's a joke.
if it was a joke it was pretty good. haha.
I am beyond angry. This is the first time, I feel injustice is being done on purposely. Mcshithead has NO SOUL.
Did you guys notice how much difference that Patterson and Toney Douglas made to the Kings. They have helped the Kings winning many tough games. They are beating the Golden States now.
Morey is a genius. He speaks basketball and great evaluator. NOT.
Jeremy tries to get his teammates involved early no matter what...and that's not a good strategy. His teammates don't cut hard off the ball, set good screens or catch-and-finish consistently. Heck, Harden is the best PnR partner he has, lol.He has to look to SCORE early, and then be unselfish in the 2nd and 3rd before going Linsanity again in the 4th. Better to shoot 1-5 than make 3TOs trying to overpass to inept teammates. Find that early rhythm and show McHale he's being aggressive.Again, he most look to SCORE EARLY.
I am a big believer that Lin's evolution will ultimately be to an elite passer and facilator, but I also thought that, with how Rockets could get nothing going early on, Lin should have looked more for his shot, even if those were midrange shots that are not efficient.Get something going for team to force them to adjust and hopefully take them out of lock down defense they were playing on Rockets early.IIRC, Lin's first shot attempt looked good and went in, too.
Last 20 seconds, Patterson and TD are still in for the final play for the Kings. The rockets lost players like these, what can you say?
Morey is a genius.
Morey is GM of the year.
In the fourth quarter till the end, Patterson and TD have helped to defeat the Golden States that blew the rockets out on their home court.The Kings have won the game!Hurray Patterson.Hurray TD.They certainly make Morey's trade look bad.
As a JLin fan, I'm bored to watch Rox anymore. I am now Miami fan, even they lost today.Put in this way:Harden got his time: Core.Parsons got his time: Macfail no other choice.Lin not get his time: Bias, role player.Asik not get his time: role player.Dmo not get his time: no comment.The Rox is now built on Harden, actually nothing to do with Macfail, he just following orders.So change a coach does not solve the fans' problem.If you want Jeremy to be an all star, best answer istrade him to a team willing to build on him.If he stayed in Knicks, he would get more ball handling,his pass to anthony, stoudemire, chandler will mostly resultin an assist. He would be a low score, high assists, high stealPG that fans happy with that.But now he became a low score, low assist, fans frustrating (PS)G.I still got faith in him, but I'm not gonna watch Rox game anymore.Good night folks.
"So change a coach does not solve the fans' problem.If you want Jeremy to be an all star, best answer istrade him to a team willing to build on him."++
It's also important to realize that Mcdumbfuck also MISUSES BEVERLY.Beverly clearly has been servicable as a back-up point guard, and can be a nice change of pace in LIMITED minutes. BUT - Beverly gets exposed when playing extended minutes, like tonight. Mcdoofus played Beverly for 16 straight minutes, from the 5 minute mark in the first, and the entire second quarter.Mcdoofus attempted the same strategy in the second half - bringing in Beverly in the 3rd with 4 minutes left, and clearly was going to let him play the entire fourth. Except Beverly had nothing in his tank in the fourth and couldn't do his hustle thing playing such extended minutes. He was totally useless in the fourth, and Mcdoofus finally took him out about 6 minutes too late.
I had predicted that Parsons would go cold as the season comes down the stretch. I didn't expect Harden to also go cold. The refs now have eaten their whistles come crunch time so harden isn't going to get freebies. It's amazing how pressure and fear can make the best athletes turn into mush. Just look at how Lebron had to have 2 franchise players help him to win his first ring.Harden of course is also being coach badly as well because he is being made to play ISO as well as create offense for Parsons. So how hard is it for opposing coaches to stop the Rox when all they have to do is double Harden and stop the outlet to Parsons? So long as opposing teams have to only worry about Harden, the Rox will lose. Why? Because where are the rest of the points coming from? Lin is the only one that can create points from the rest of the team. Basiclly Mchale has it in his head that harden and parsons will win the game and the rest of the team could just get out of their way and stand in the corner.Mchale is dreaming that Harden is MJ and Parsons is Pipen. Lol. Even MJ needed Paxton and Mchale is giving Harden Beverly!
Harden and Parson begins to hit the diminishing marginal return nowIn short they both are marginalized for playing too much.DMO is not contributing.Only Asik is still improving in their games.Lin is marginalized for playing too little.That is about all for the 1st team of the rockets.
Yes, good reminder ... I think TTNN at CF did numbers to show that only Lin and Harden can create scoring opportunities, about even. Parsons is about 1/3 of that, IIRC. Your concept is right - scouting Rox has become easy, and because McHale just won't change it up, they just copy the last report and pass it around. Nice high pay job.
Parsons usually have a bad night if Lin is 4 or less assists and Harden insists on being the hero with 25% FGM and a bajillion shot attempts.But hey let's not let someone who is shooting 50% have more touches. Makes a lot of sense if you ask me!
At least the warriors lost.Is one good playoff game out of four too much to ask?Stephen Curry, PG 45 5-18 2-9 5-6 12 175-18 -- ouch. He was like 3-16 with 30 seconds left. Sacramento must not have wanted to fould and just let him go free for he last two buckets.
Thanks to Patterson and TD; they played the last minutes.Patterson collected 9 rebounds, two offensive rebounds in the last minutes.He played the entire 4th quarter.Losers like Morley, McHale would not appreciate talents when they have them.When Lin leaves the rockets, he will shine like a shooting star elsewhere.
TD also played the last 7 minutes.If they were in the rockets, I don't think they would be playing that much minutes in crunch time and consequently the results would be just the opposite.A great win for the Kings. They did it again after kicking the butts of the LA Clippers.
I came over from CF and there is a riot going on. A lot are questioning McHale's substitutions and going with Harden ISO plays. There are quite a few defending Lin and the low minutes he played. You gotta give props to the Pacers, they played a good defensive game. What is bothering me is Lin's body language on the bench. He seems to be daydreaming and not focused. I hope there is nothing going on with him personally. He played 3 games with 20+ scoring and the next three games is possibly the lowest scores this season. His post game interview sounded like he was pissed and didn't want to be there. Clutch said that usually Jeremy is waiting for them at his locker when the media is allowed in. Tonight was the first in past several games where the media had to wait for Jeremy for 20 minutes. I just want him to play angry and kick some butt. Someone noticed that when the game ended, Jeremy threw his mouth guard and looked pissed. Can someone confirm this?
People who defended Lin on that site might be 2012 members or Asian fans. Rockets fans don't defend Lin.
Now I truly understand why Lowry and Dragic left this team.
The real reason for such functional is Morey. He hires MclowIQ and his unethical sidekick and treats everyone like commodity.
I get why Lowry left but Dragic wanted to stay with HOU. Phoenix just made the better offer, that's all. Mchale to Dragic was the equivalent of D'antoni to Lin. Dragic said that Mchale gave him confidence and made him a better player. Dragic liked Mchale but of course he would, he was the back up pg.
Correction: Dragic never said MclowIQ was a great or good coach. He said MclowIQ gave him confidence and believed in him.
Actually, Phoenix reportedly offered less than Houston. Maybe equal, but no more.Dragic just wanted out of Houston. He was garbage to McHale for a season and a half, and then McHale tried to act like his best buddy once Lowry got sick (and then sick of McHale).
Phoenix offers Dragic 4 year/$30m, but it's actually more because he got 4th year player option. This means $30m guarantee. If Dragic plays horrible in his 3rd year, he will opt in. And if he plays like a star, then he might opt out and tries to get a bigger contract.Lin is offers 3 year/$25m fully guaranteed. Dragic was treated like a superstar. He was allowed to play through his mistakes.MclowIQ is creepy old man.
You'll be surprised that there are pre-2012 members rooting for Lin and defending him. Of course there are the trolls that disgust me who are >2012.
2012 are either LOHs LOFs.
Lol garbage loss.Couldn't watch due to a meeting. Went to www.nba.com/rockets and saw:4th Quarter:Lin with 15 minutes, 2/5 1FT 4 assist 4 TOs 5pts, and Harden with 4/20 lmao...And Beverley at 25mins 9pts 1 assist.I didn't even bother watching the rest on LP. But hey of course 4min left cue Lin to take the blame, with 11pts behind.McHale sucks. Pacers aren't that good, a Lin ranned defense would have smoked Pacers. But judging from everyone's comments Rockets basically played like crap due to, yet again, CRAP rotations thanks to McFail.This is like a broken record, playing the same broken sh*t over and over.BTW they need to steal psycho T away from the pacers. Nuff said.
Meant to say Lin ranned offense/defense. Sorry.
Yet, I keep watching.
Patterson played 26 minutes. He played more minutes than DeMarcus Cousins, and Jason Thompson, the starters.TD played 15 minutes.The Kings beat the GS (105:98)Lin will prevail over the coaches of the rockets. Harden is hitting a diminishing return not even McHale, Sampson, Morley can help. The less he played, the better off will be the rockets.He's sent out today to take the glory of a dramatic comeback started by the second team. It's just too bad it's a shame instead!!!Taking 24 shots in a night of 25% shooting. That's Harden!!!!You would have given the shots to your teammates, right?Hareden is not held accountable by McHale, Sampson, Morley but we'll hold him accountable for all the losses.
If all Harden cares about is padding his stats and being a superstar, then Lin is better of elsewhere. Even if MclowIQ is fired, the next coach will cater to the mirage superstar (based on garbage minutes stats padding), Lin is back to square one again.
Just watched McFail's post game conference. He couldn't even talk right. He knows he was the biggest jerkoff today. Such a amateur coach. Fire McFail. http://www.nba.com/rockets/video/2013/03/27/McHale032713mp4-2426798
Why am I hoping that there really is something going on between Mchale and Lin?! I'm hoping this is the case because everything else just doesn't make sense.Lin played well in the 3rd and we came within 4, then he gets "rested" for Bev? Wouldn't Lin be considered the hot hand and shouldn't he have kept playing? It's not like he needed the rest, he barely played the first half.
There's nothing going on between McHale and Lin.McHale just sucks. He hates any half decent PG.Just ask Lowry and Dragic.
because it's the reverse - Lin is basically getting treated like a sub with "set minutes," while Beverly gets to play like a starter. So, it didn't matter that Lin was "hot" in the third quarter, as a "sub," he was set to come out with 4 minutes remaining in the third, no matter what, so that the "starter" could come in. Basically, Lin is the starter in the sense that he's on the court when the game starts in the first and second halves, but has been more or less treated exactly how a bench player is treated; i.e., not finishing games, not getting any playing time in the fourth quarter in close games, taken out at set points in the game even if he's playing well; taken out earlier when he's not playing well, etc.McHale's treatment of Lin all makes sense once we realize that Lin in reality has been a bench player for huge parts of the season, including right now.
It would best if Bev starts with Harden. At least this way Lin can play with the second team and handle the ball a bit. The second team will at least contribute a lot more scoring than Bev could ever create.
How many minutes would Lin get with the second team? Parsons and Harden basically play the entire game.
You don't pay someone $25m to play backup. Chinese sponsors will not renew their contract with the Rockets if Lin were backup. With the way they are marginalizing him ON PURPOSE, Chinese sponsors will not renew either. They either find a new coach or trade Lin. It's that simple. Morey will trade Lin.
I don't think the Chinese sponsors are that stupid. Like you and I, the Chinese fans all over the world is turning off their tv set. Lin "plays" 20 minutes but actually touches ball maybe for 5. How much exposure is that?I was a starter PG in highschool for 3 straight years. I quit basketball for good when my teammates froze me out. I only started to follow it again beasue of Lin.Watching Lin getting frozen out by his teammates is just too painful to take.
Chinese courtside signage alone paid for this year's salary. However, Les won't care because international ads and TV ads are shared revenue. If those ads money are for Les to keep, Lin will be treated like KING. LIN DOESN'T OWE ROCKETS ANY LOYALTY. THEY GOT LIN FOR FREE WITH THOSE CHINESE MONEY.
The rockets centered around Harden will lose the two games ahead. After that, they will be really close to Lakers, Utah and Dallas. They will then play the King twice. Patterson and TD are going to punish the rockets so bad McHale and Sampson would remember for life.These four games would be enough to bump the rockets out of the playoff. They still have to play the Grizzlies, the Lakers and the Nuggets.Perhaps they can play well with Phoenix, New Orleans, and Portland but still you can't be sure with Harden's shooting slump.Just let the rockets be suicidal in their game plans. The coaches of the rockets will then be fired.
Fucking groundhogs day everyday with mchale. Every game, every postgame interview, every blog feels the same. Waste of father time.
True. It'll all change, though, come playoff time, if the Rockets make the playoffs. Then, finally, if Mchale continues to do stupid things like play Beverly more minutes than Lin and they lose, he will have to face the scrutiny of the national media, which will finally force him, hopefully, to be accountable for his actions.
Linsanity turned into insanity. Mchale just doesnt like anything with an L in it.
I checked on Kyle Lowey a few days ago and was wondering about his relationship with Mchale. It seem that he was a first rounder who struggled with some injuries but began to find some form with the Rox. His numbers were going up before being traded to the Raps. I have heard that there was some bad blood between Mchale and Lowey. Is this a repeat of that situation?
Lowry-McHale rift not an issue, four-game losing skid isHouston Chronicle 4/18/2012With the Rockets hoping that the worst of their late-season meltdown is behind them, knowing that without a rapid and full recovery their fading playoff hopes would be gone, they at least had some reason to believe things have gotten better even as their losing streak stretched to a fourth game.In the previous three games, they had trailed by 16, 18 and 23 points in the fourth quarter, with the collapse coming to a boil when Rockets coach Kevin McHale and guard and captain Kyle Lowry argued during a timeout in Denver to the point that players and coaches got between them.With Lowry out of the game and standing outside a huddle, McHale grabbed Lowry and pulled him back toward the group, angering Lowry who shouted back at McHale. http://www.hotboxsports.com/article.php?id=NBA_11214With the Rockets hoping that the worst of their late-season meltdown is behind them, knowing that without a rapid and full recovery their fading playoff hopes would be gone, they at least had some reason to believe things have gotten better even as their losing streak stretched to a fourth game.In the previous three games, they had trailed by 16, 18 and 23 points in the fourth quarter, with the collapse coming to a boil when Rockets coach Kevin McHale and guard and captain Kyle Lowry argued during a timeout in Denver to the point that players and coaches got between them.With Lowry out of the game and standing outside a huddle, McHale grabbed Lowry and pulled him back toward the group, angering Lowry who shouted back at McHale.Lowry on Tuesday initially laughed and joked that he did not remember the incident while pointing out that “it was two games ago.” He then insisted that the confrontation is not an issue as the Rockets headed to Dallas for a game he said they have to win.“It was an issue that happened, something that happened during the game,” Lowry said. “It had to be taken care of and it was. Unfortunately, it happened. I think the emotions of the game got the best of both of us and that’s it. It happens.”Lowry said that he and the Rockets coach did not need to meet to discuss it.“You don’t need to talk it out,” Lowry said. “We know we have respect for each other. He did something. I did something. That was it. It was a heat of the moment. Things weren’t going our way.”Rockets players said the incident was not a distraction since they were getting blown out before it happened.“I think that’s not that big a deal,” Goran Dragic said. “Every, every, every person gets sometimes frustrated. We know Kyle is a great player. He wants to help the team.”http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/04/lowry-mchale-rift-not-an-issue-four-game-losing-skid-is/
True, so true. waitaminute . . .
From listening to Mchale's post game interview, it seems like in his head, he blames the lost on Lin. He kept emphasizing how they started the game slow and they couldn't catch up. He's thinking, if Lin didn't have 3 turnovers in the first quarter, we could have won that game. He never thinks they lost the game bc Harden was 6 of 24 forcing up low percentage shots.I finally understand how Mchale thinks in 4th quarter situations. If the Houstons are winning by a lot: Take out Lin and let Beverly play.If the Houstons are losing by a lot: Take out Lin and let Beverly play.If the game is close: Take out Lin and let Beverly play...but if it looks like Rockets are going to lose, put Lin back in so he's blamed for the loss.I don't think there is any team that subs out it's starting PG for such long stretches at a time in favor of their backup PG.
Lin is way too smart for Mchale. If Lin coached this team they would have won 50 games. Lin keeps pushing his fumble finger teammates to improve because he knows that they are needed to be effective partners for the long haul. That's is why, when Lin has more TOs the Rox wins more!!! Lin spoon feeds his bigs to get them going and be comfortable. By the 4 th quarter, they will be effective and confident and help the team to win. Mchale is so dense to not see this dynamic. A game is not lost on TOs, it's lost on unproductive possessions. There are good AND bad TOs. The good ones sets the team up for good things to come. Bad ones are unforced errors that do not promote team tactics. When a team has single option playmaking, it makes defense Sooo easy. Just line your guys up like ducks between harden and the rim and have one guy blocking the passing lane to Parsons, et voila, effective defense.
I wrote this 2-3 months ago that mclowiq might be intimidated by Lin's intelligence.
Nice point. I said something similar, too. I said Lin is ready to be an assistant coach right now, and a head coach within five years, if he quit playing and went the coaching route. So, one way to put Lin in his place? Treat him like a rookie player, harp on his mistakes, show Lin who's the boss. For Lin to thrive, he needs a smart coach (Dantoni) or a coach who's coaching manhood wouldn't threatened by a smart player (Mike Woodson, Eric Spoelstra, George Karl, Doc Rivers, etc).
not to mention lin is being subbed by a rookie!
Again McHale is not being accountable. Hey fucktard, u sat Jeremy for most of the game! What da fuck do u want? Why don't u man da fuck up and just start Beverly. There is something really sinister about this coach. I just don't get why he hates Jeremy's game so much..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WtkGoT62yI <---- ConservativeNewMedia guy upset with Mchale for Lin's limited minutes in 2nd half. He believes Mchale put Lin back into game in last 4 minutes because he knew game was over.
Sadly, that might be true. I think he hoped Lin might actually be able to "spark" the team to a win. But, if not, at least he wouldn't get criticized for benching Lin the entire fourth quarter.
The guy said he did it just so he could say he put him in. Good analysis. Whether he's right or not, I don't know: But I respect this guy's knowledge of the game.
ConservativeNewMedia is absolutely right about why McHale put Lin back in when the game was over. It was a coward move.
"This loss is about Mchale and James Harden," he says. Heh.
He was spot on.
Well, at that point, it wasn't "garbage time," the game wasn't really over. 10 points down, with more than 4 minutes - a team realistically can come back,the rest of the starters were still in, and the Rockets had a better chance with Lin than Beverly to win.But, it was about as close to garbage you can get without it being garbage time, and it became garbage time about 2 minutes after Lin came in. But, I think of it less as a coward move, because McHale wanted to win the game, and it's a good sign that he realized Lin gave them a better chance than Beverly.The bad sign is that he waited too long, probably hoping that Harden would start hitting his shots and that ultimately they'd win the game, with Beverly, not Lin, in the game. I'm not usually into conspiracy theories, but, I get this weird sense that McHale wants to win, but without having to rely on Lin in order to win. Not sure why.
Roberlin-It was a coward move.
I disagree. I think it was a stupid, incompetent move more than a coward move. In other words, the move reflects poor basketball IQ and coaching skills more so than fear of media/fan backlash at benching Lin again for the entire fourth. Or, it could be both, lol.
And Lin knew it too which was why he was angry when the game ended.
It was a coward move which was why I was beyond angry when he put Lin back in. I am not saying you don't have common sense here, but anyone with good logic knows that it was a coward move.
And if Lin was angry, you know Lin knows it was a coward move.
@roberlinIt's like I said, Mchale thinks that Lin is a disruption to his grand system so he continues to try to break Lin into a good little patsy like Bev. No matter how many times Lin proves that his game is good for the Rox, Mchale see it as Lin being a home run hitter, a selfish ball hog and wanting to score 29 pts and making 9 TOs.Mchale's logic is predicated on proving that he is the puppet master and he is the defacto brains of the team. Last years captain was sent packing and this years leader will also be sent packing because for Mchale it's his way or the highway.
I can see Roberlin's point. However... considering the basketball knowledge of the guy on ConservativeNewMedia, I think there is a good chance that Mchale made the sub for the reason he cited. He's beyond a casual fan like most of us here are. Though I don't buy into any conspiracy theories... even though anything's possible. I think Mchale has way too much self-interest to want to run the game a certain way for prejudice. Instead, I think Mchale simply believes that his coaching is the right way to go and that what he has done increases the chances of winning the most. Maybe this game will influence Mchale to some degree: We shall see.
Morey approves with the mistreatment of Lin because he and MclowIQ are in the same page. Morey sided with MclowIQ on Lowry and Martin. They both sent packing.
Lin could also have been angry at being put in so late, so that he didn't have enough time to help bring the team back. Whatever, no biggie, it was a bad move on McHale's part. What was a little surprising to me was how passive Lin was once he got in. He played the role McHale has hammered into him (singles hitter!), standing on the side watching Harden do his isoball thing. Except for that sweet three from deep outside the arc, he seemed like he was going through the motions. Not out of spite, but more out of being beat down and depressed. Sad, really. What a fucked up season it's been for Lin. I feel for him.
Roberlin,Trust me on this one, Lin was not angry because the Rockets lost. He felt disrespected by MclowIQ and knew it was a cowardly move. I even agree with the super genius (4x national champion in wrestling) aka idiot on this one.
Bob, one thing trumps personally motivated decisions about players- winning.With 4:30 minutes remaining in the game, down by 10, deep down, McHale knew Lin gave the team a way better chance to win than Beverly. So, the move was about winning.If Bev was helping the team win in the fourth, i guarantee you he would have kept Lin on the bench, because, I truly believe he thinks Harden/Bev gives the Rockets a better chance of winning that Harden/homerun hitting loose cannon Lin. Except tonight, when Harden couldn't hit anything. So, putting Lin back in was an act of desperation, and an acknowledgement that the Bev/Harden teaming wasn't working tonight, because Harden was having a bad game.
alcsd, I'm assuming you're NOT referring to the guy that did the video, because he isn't the "super genius." That's the 'NBA expert's" brother. They run a YouTube channel, so what if they give themselves titles? Why do you have to call him an idiot? I don't take well to disrespecting others. And you have no justification for it either. Not one.
alcd, we essentially agree - Lin is angry at McHale/Simpson and the disrespect of his game and his abilities. I'm sure he was angry tonight, not just about losing, but, losing because his dumbass coaches wouldn't put him in the game and let his much less talented back-up actually play more minutes tonight after having him close a close game against San Antonio. I know Lin would never do this, but, it would have been interesting if he told the coach, sorry, my ankles are too sore for me to go into the game, and force Mchale to let Bev finish it, or bring in Aaron Brooks.
Roberlin,If Lin isn't super competitive, he wouldn't be where he is today. Asians have a lot of pride and hate being disrespected more than anything. He felt respected which made him angry. What I respect Lin most is his integrity and ethics. I don't see Lin doing it. I see him handling this professionally privately behind closed door. Again, Lin has a team of intelligent people advising him.
6:03 left in 4Q, 90-79 Omer Asik enters the game for Carlos DelfinoMcHale: "Hm, let's hope Beverley can go off with Asik in the game to win this game."4:52 left in 4Q, 91-81 Jeremy Lin enters the game for Patrick BeverleyMcHale: "Hm, it doesn't look like Bev can do it so let me put Jeremy in so I won't get questioned on why I played Bev the whole 4Q. There will be another time."Here is a thought.If McHale really thought Jeremy can win the game, he'd have subbed in both Asik and Lin at 6:03. Not wait another minute to see if Bev would go off to justify his move.So I agree that McHale made a cowardly move.Don't sign that next contract if McHale is still there, Jeremy.
@rberlinI also respectfully disagree, if winning is such a priority, then logic should dictate that the 3 games of 20+ pts would have compelled Mchale to set Lin loose in the second half when he was obviously taken the game to the Pacers. They were only down by 4 when Mchale inserted Bev back in. Why? Is it conspiracy to think that he wanted Bev and harden to close out the game at that point? It's like Sherlock Holmes says "when all you eliminate the impossible, what remains, however improbable, must be the truth".
McHale put Lin back in because that way he can deny that he doesn't let Lin close games. And he can say that having Lin close a game led to a loss.
I know and respect Lin's professional responses to the media, but this BS treatment has to be eating at him. I just hope he has someone he can vent to in private and not just keep his frustrations and anger all bottled up.
Lin doesn't say anything publicly doesn't mean he and his agents haven't talked about asking for a trade privately.
No, I mean like being able to emotional rant/vent against Mchale, Sampson, whomever, do so raging, break some chairs, etc. You know, say the shit we've been saying, except in private with people he can trust (like his bros).
I'm not worried about Lin venting after a game like tonight. I'm sure he talks to his family and Josh Fan is with Jeremy. I would not be surprised if Jeremy is talking to his agents behind closed doors. I may be wrong, but I have this feeling that McHale will be gone before Jeremy. Jeremy is Les Alexander's boy. I remember during his introductory presser that Les was looking at Jeremy like a proud father. The reason the Rox will be playing pre-season games in Asia is all due to Jeremy and Jeremy alone. Sorry for posting a lot tonight but I love this site. It can get a bit depressing at CF.
I did watch the press conference 3x because I wanted to read everyone's body language. Les did seem like a proud dad because he was landing a celebrity. This was before they got Lin.
Serioudly though. Would anyone hate/ disrespect Jeremy for finally speaking out against McHale? I'm sure he wonders what da hell he is doing on this team and- what he has done to deserve such disrespect. This behavior is not normal. Such treatment is reserved for players the coach hates, players who doesn't play the right way. The way McHale has been handling Lin - there is almost something personal.. I can't see anything changing next year..as long as they are both on the team .. Lin is going to lose. If he is not going to speak up, then at least show his discontent in pg interviews. Arriving 20 min is a good start. Short terse answers are good. No smiles or joking. Lets his fans know that he is going to stand up to this moron. If i never get to see Lin get a chance to lead a team after what he did during Linsanity...that will be one of the greatest misses/ regrets in sports history on par with never getting to see pacman vs PBF in their prime.
before they got Harden.
9 minutes (3/15)13 minutes (3/17)18 minutes (3/20)21 minutes (3/22)24 minutes (3/24)28 minutes (3/27)Do I need to say more?
Those who said making Beverley a starter is crazy. Not hating on him, but he's very limited. He looked good in short minutes, but the longer he played, he's become less efficient. If he's ever started, he would be like the worst starting PG in the nba. No teams would ever want Beverley as a starter, not even bottom feeders like the Kings or Bobcats, let alone a playoffs team like the Rockets.
"botom feeders" haha. Love the metaphor.
No I want McHale to start Beverly. Lets see how well that works out. In fact play brooks as back up. If he does well, then at least they will know they need to get rid of Lin. I really want to see how well this team does without Lin.
I agree with Solidz. I want the Rockets to start Beverley and see how that goes.
How da hell did Lin end up in this shithole? Still can't fathom this.