It was a tough game to watch with JLin on the bench yesterday but the main thing is they got the win. We can whine all we want about his misuse but it won't change a thing. Jeremy just has to play through it and overcome it as he has done with all the other obstacles he has faced. This is nothing compared to seeing him rot behind A.C. Law or get cut for Charles Jenkins. Believe me, JLin is probably steamed inside and this should only fuel the fire even more.
By the way, how in the world is Thomas Robinson on the floor at all? His turnovers were just horrendous. He may contribute somewhere soon down the road. But right now, he isn't ready.
Robinson is on the floor because McHale particularly has no choice, it's either "small ball" Delfino, "abused on D" DMo, "foul machine" Greg Smith, or "clueless" Robinson lol.
ReplyDeleteIt's not Jeremy Lin's game or even what the coaches think of him that worries me.
ReplyDeleteIt's just hard to see the Rockets outside Lin playing such bad defense.
Bad team defense does affect Lin. I won't get into how at adversely affects Lin. I do believe bad team defense is hurting his game more than bad offense is.
KHuang, please get whatever need to be fixed fixed soon for you to watch Rox/Jeremy games before the end of the regular season. Some does of your post-game analysis would be good for me(hopefully many of us on this board too).
DeleteSome dose( i don't like auto correct!)
DeleteWhat kinda of internet problem you have that needs a month to fix?
I'm a Centurylink customer, and things got weird this weekend.
DeleteAlso, I've just been overwhelmed with taxes and work. I still have my iphone.
I just get overwhelmed.
I think I know what KHuang means.
Delete1) His teammates' terrible D forces Jeremy to expend twice as much energy on defense as he should. He constantly has to help, overhelp and run back to his man.
2) When he expends extra energy on defense, he has less for offense -- resulting in bricked shots and missed layups. That's the reason so few offensive stars are quality defenders (it's very hard to have energy for both).
3) Because he's forced to overhelp, his man often gets hot -- making a clod like McHale bench him for poor defense. It doesn't matter that Jeremy makes the team better, if his man hits shots...he's going to sit.
Maybe that's not what KHuang is specifically talking about, but those points make sense to me now that I think about it.
Jeremy should just focus on defending his own man and do more offensively. He can't spoon feed his teammates by doing too much help defense. Being human, human being tend to take things for granted. The more his teammates get to taste wins by scoring more and making themselves look good at Jeremy's expense, the more they want from him and refuse to defend their own man. NBA is a league obsess with Scoring, Jeremy needs to take that to heart!
Deletezxcvb, those are exactly some of the points I was talking about.
DeleteOne could come up with more points, but I think we all know that lack of defense is the main problem the Rockets have.
Jeremy Lin is getting messed up far more by his teammates' lack of defense than is is by opposing defensive schemes designed to stop him!
Right on. Coach should breathe down their necks to man up on D. I guess it's just not his cup of tea.
Deleteand it's so ironic because coach is supposed to be one of the best defensive players who ever played the game. or maybe i am wrong...
DeleteTotally correct, joseph carl.
DeleteCoach McHale is one of the best defensive players, but he was so talented that he took for granted how hard HIS coaches worked on defense.
The 80s Celtics had great defensive guards and great defensive game plans. Even though they actually were a so-so defensive team outside of their two elite man to man defenders in Bird and McHale (that's right, Larry Bird was an ELITE man to man defender but talked himself down probably to fool opponents), they defended as a team. I honestly think that McHale misjudges his players' defensive skills.
One thing the Celtics always had was a near total inability to stop guard penetration. Super creative dribble drive scorers like Michael Jordan, Micheal Ray Richardson, Isiah Thomas, and Andrew Toney absolutely murdered the Celtics. Had Jeremy Lin played against this Celtics team, he'd have totally shredded both Dennis Johnson and Danny Ainge did. He'd put McHale in foul trouble too.
I am wondering, if Harden focus on D more, will he still score 25+ a game. I rather he make more stops with the team tho.
DeleteAbsolutely Harden can, Brent.
DeleteMore defense from Harden means more team defense which means more stops which means more easry transition baskets.
Harden doesn't even need to be the next Jeremy Lin as far as being the best perimeter defender in the NBA goes. He just needs to get into normal defensive posture and at least run alongside his man when his man dribble penetrates.
I cannot shake this image of James Harden wearing a pink ballerina tutu as he gets spun around by defenders. If I were his coach, I'd BUY HIM a tutu and say "This is what you should be wearing every time somebody blows by you and you don't even pretend to contest him".
Whew, new thread, new day.
ReplyDeleteJust to repost, please check out these stats and maybe say what you think.
Stats by TTN, CF
Very nice, there is life on Clutchfans afterall.
DeleteI esp like this cut and paste besides the graphs:
Harden TO 3.7avg
6TO 2W7L， 22% winning%
4TO 13W20L 39%
3TO 18W7L 2%
2TO 11W3L 79%
1TOor less 8W 100%
Parsons 2.0avg
4TO or more 2W6L 25%
2TO or less 23W16L 59%
LIN TO 2.9Avg
1TO 3W6L 33%
3TO 18W22L 45%
4TO 13W6L 68%
5TO 6W2L 75%
6TO 4W 100%
Basically when Lin gets to handle the ball team wins more.
I love when stats lets us all have peace, but then, Coach is not reading this blog :-) Thanks Kenoshi.
DeleteAnd the simple way to read the box plot of TOV affecting wins and losses is really to see how high is the median (4.5 TOV) for his losses compared to the median (3 TOV) for his wins. This is the significance hint that Harden's high TOV really contributed to those losses.
DeleteIn simpler words, coaches can say, "Hm, we better limit his TOs to 3 because when it gets to 4.5, we'd likely to get losses as he probably forced the ISOs"
But it would only make too much sense so lets "Move the ball!"
I like the case he makes for Harden needing to play D to win, and Jeremy needing to play more O to win. Also numbers to show JLin's FG% has been consistent, with 3pt increasing dramatically, indicating 'inconsistency' might be based on what we perceive as a combo of playing rotations and effectiveness/allowed to be effectiveness.
DeleteCalming, but doesn't change his situation from coaching.
Is there stats on how many points was scored on one player?
DeleteLooking the scatter plot, JLin's performance has greater impact in games which the team lost. The team has more losses when he has a poor defensive game (DRtg is above 100). The team also has more losses when he has a poor offensive game (ORtg is below 110).
DeleteSo it seems like:
Good ORtg = good offensive game -> does not necessarily help the team win
Good DRtg = good defensive game -> does not necessarily help the team win
Poor ORtg -> tends to drag the team into lost
Poor DRtg -> tends to drag the team into lost
So the team does not depend on JLin to win games. The team depends on JLin not losing games for them. Darn, can this be true?
So it seems like so long as JLin does not screw up, the team rarely loses. Whether they actually win or not depends on the performances of the other guys. Wording it that way is even more depressing... I think this shows that JLin and his role is really at odds.
Delete*are really at odds.
DeleteThe magic of stats is not the stats themselves.
DeleteThe magic of stats is in INTERPRETING the stats.
Most of us don't need stats to see that when Jeremy Lin is having a "bad" defensive game, it's because the whole team outside of Lin has no interest whatsoever in even pretending to play defense.
I wrote above that bad team defense is the most negative factor hurting Jeremy Lin. This is another way it comes out.
By the way, I criticize the coaching staff not for its handling of Lin's minutes, but for its utter ignorance of team defense. There are grade school teams with more defensive coaching than the Houston Rockets.
Frankly, I don't think I've really seen JLin having a truly *individually* bad defensive game yet.
DeleteAnother way of interpreting the stats is that when the Rox puts JLin in a position to succeed on offense (above 110 ORtg), the team rarely loses. So that's a hint to USE JLIN FRIGGN' PROPERLY ON OFFENSE!
And when JLin has good DRtg, the team almost never loses. The same is true of Asik. When Asik has good DRtg, the Rox almost never lose. However, when Asik plays good D, similar to JLin, that does not necessarily help the team win. And actually, this applies to all the other players.
I think this just means that when the TEAM plays good defense, they are almost never lose.
For the Rox, playing good D does not necessarily win games, but definitely avoid losses. Just looking at the scatter plot for the five players with the most minutes on the Rox, they will almost never lose if they can hold teams under 100 points per 100 possessions!
*they almost never lose. (argh)
Delete@wilc ... yes, on the scatter plot and it not being clear on Lin. But it's more clear for Parsons and Harden, that they can do more to prevent wins :-) The data is good because TTNN is trying to be good with the numbers, and people are supporting his conversation.
Delete@KHuang: The magic of stats in the right hands has given us amazing powers (joke to the fight below). One magic power stats did was turn sand into handheld computers more powerful than the entire space program of the 60s. Without statistical process control, our iphones would be costing about a car. So, back to Lin ... y'd think that Morey with his MIT moneyball can do better for him.
http://www.sloansportsconference.com/?p=58
Haha Sac pulled a fast one on Rockets. TRob needs to spend some time in D League.
ReplyDeleteHow's Royce White doin?
I think if JLin complained about playing time, rotation, being benched, of racism and of McHale's misuse of his talents he would have an even bigger target on him than he does now. If you think he's getting hard fouled now it will be many times worse. Look how players were zeroing in on him during Linsanity. They were lining up to take shots at him especially that Miami game.
ReplyDeleteExactly. The media would then jump all over him saying he has a big head or he has gotten greedy, etc. it's really a no win situation for him.
DeleteHe really can't do much in terms of venting his frustration. He needs some divine intervention for a coach who believes in him.
Agreed!
Deleteand JLin certainly knows that the man upstairs knows all about what he's going through.
Deleteduring his early season struggles , he posted this as his FB status - "Be still and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10
for everything to be fixed , just as it has always been in his life , it's just a matter of time...
as Khuang always says , Lin is a Coach Killah!!!!
Coach McHale is probably getting orders from GM Morey to play T. Robinson more minutes so that they can shop him around for trade bait. It worked for Cole Aldrich, and he was almost as bad as T-Rob.
ReplyDeleteActually I think there is some tension brewing between the two. McHale has been pretty vocal against money's decision to change his team mid season.
DeleteI hope so., because I'm still wishful that Morey and les are recognizing the difference in attitude McHale has toward Lin and ends up letting him go.
Or better yet, McHale just quits.
"McHale just quits" <- I doubt it.
DeleteIn various coaches' post game interviews, I remember some other teams' coaches said, "the loss was on me" (such as NYK Woody).
but I don't recall KM ever said that, instead, he blamed his players (and Jeremy was his scapegoat a few times).
Yeah I noticed that too. He really does not take any responsibility for his mistake - like not being able to draw up a competent play after a timeout in a close game. He thinks that because these players are so young he can walk all over them.
DeleteOn the same point, this is why Jeremy rarely ever makes those low risk high reward TD passes anymore. I remember McHale complaining about that in one of the pg interviews. Also he hates bounce passes inside the paint esp if they are "flashy". If you go back and listen to his pg comments, there are definitely digs at Jeremy's style of play. He is systematically destroying Lin's game one by one. No wonder Lin is so inconsistent this year.
DeleteIt's one thing if he was a hall of game pg - he was just a PF with DJ as the pg. And if u remember DJ from the Celtic dynasty days, he was a prototypical Derek Fisher type of player. That is what McHale's vision if a pg is.
ah, you might touch on the surface of the truth here, solidz
DeleteIn other words, Les (self-proclaimed LOF) and Morey (forced-by-the-boss LOF and closet HOF) conspired to force McHale's hand (HOF/Harden Only Fan) to join the LOF club by trading TD (long lost MOS/McHale Only Son) away to play Lin (unlucky MOS/McHale Ostracized Son) more or resign out of frustration :D
A bit weird but I believe it might have a grain of truth.
I'll gently disagree that Dennis Johnson was a Derek Fisher type player.
DeleteDennis Johnson was a superb all around guard for the Boston Celtics. He could dribble, pass, shoot, defend, and rebound. DJ played both guard positions and was far more dynamic than Derek Fisher ever was.
I loved Dennis Johnson's game and do not feel that McHale would be a mistake if he wanted his players in DJ's mold. But I don't even think McHale wants his pgs to play like DJ.
On a serious note, it's true that McHale consistently dislikes 'flashy' homerun passes (between the legs/behind the back) for his traditional PG/SG role.
DeleteHe seriously wants to mold Jeremy to be 'safe' traditional PG. I haven't heard he said Lin can harness his homerun mentality as long as it works while still playing in his system. It's McHale's way or the highway approach. It's kinda sad to see HOF non-guard who can't appreciate there is a method to Linsanity's madness.
@ABC, it's interesting to see how Morey thinks a showcased T-Rob might be a more appealing trade bait to pursue DHoward/other stars than a combo of PPat/Morris could ever be.
McHale has never admitted to any mistakes, but then I stopped listening to his interviews. He shows absolutely no humility. Nothing ever appears to be his fault, it's always the players. Nor does he ever proffer an answer. It's seems to always be something along the lines of I don't know, the ball was sticky tonight. Perhaps it's ego, pride, etc.
DeleteD'Antoni has also claimed responsibility for "mistakes."
Khuang yes DJ was solid but he was NOT a superstar. He was the lowest on the team of players consisting of bird, Parrish, McHale. He was a non flashy game manager, no where as talented as the elite PGs off today. u can think of him as the better version of chalmers on a heat team consisting of the unholy trinity. The paxson on the chsmpionship bulls team. DJ wouldn't have the ability to pull of what Lin did last year. He was quitessional role player. Yes if u want Lin to be that type of player, McHale is the right coach.
DeleteInserting T-rob for trade value promotion? hmm... kinda dangerous experimentation this late. Morey took a PF gamble (to shore up D on the cheap?), might pan out next season for real or for trade, but also derail the ongoing run to playoffs. Then again, he might get lucky and this crew catches fire, but the odds are thinner than the opposite happening. Chemistry isn't built in a day.
DeleteWoodson on putting Kidd on the bench:
Delete"He's a point guard, and I've got to put him in a position to be more successful . . . I don't think I've done a good job in that area . . . . I want him more with the ball in his hands to run this team."
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/9006128/new-york-knicks-coach-mike-woodson-pulls-jason-kidd-starting-lineup
Now, my question is this: Is this kind of statement dependent on the kind of system each coach runs or just because Woodson appears to be more logical and make more sense? I don't have an opinion as to whether Kidd should be on the bench, it was more Woodson's sentiment and the fact that he actually has an explanation (real or not) for changing his line-up or playing players a certain way, unlike McHale.
Woodson is another twit who couldn't strategize a game to save his life. His iso-Joe offense got him nowhere in Atlanta but hey, why let it stop him from replicating the whole shebang in NY with iso-Melo. Like run-and-gun, just letting your franchise guy play hero ball at every turn is the primary recourse of a coach with an unnuanced instinct for the game.
DeleteAnd his idea of holding everyone, including his superstar, accountable, is to tut-tut at Carmelo for being too "unselfish" by passing the ball when he should've shot it himself on two occasions. Laughed so hard I almost cracked a rib at that.
No Solidz, I cannot agree with your categorization of Dennis Johnson as the 80s Mario Chalmers.
DeleteI have watched a lot more Dennis Johnson than I have watched Jeremy Lin. I used to find him the most irritating Celtic to watch because he was the true Celtics floor general that just MURDERED my hometown Knicks.
While Dennis Johnson played, he was called by opponents "the best two way guard in basketball". Magic Johnson called him the toughest player at his position to face while Larry Bird called him the best teammate he ever had.
Dennis Johnson would go out and guard the best guards. He'd then turn around and run his no nonsense floor game that made it look so easy. DJ was always in the right place at the right time, making solid plays. I would know - that guy just made it IMPOSSIBLE for most of the teams I rooted for to beat the Celtics!
I see a lot of similarities between Dennis Johnson and Jeremy Lin. I have written before that if you combined Dennis Johnson with Danny Ainge's All World athleticism and wonderful shooting touch, you'd have Jeremy Lin.
Larry Bird said Dennis Johnson was one of the best players in the game. I agree with Bird.
Then we can agree to disagree. If u see Lin averaging 14.1 and 5assist for his career as the primary pg loaded with stars, then certainly DJ is a nice goal 4 lin to have. At the height of his career DJ averaged 15.7 n 6.8 with 2.7 TO's per game. I really see McHale trying to mold Lin into a DJ type if player. Not flashy. Low risk. Just a real solid role player. Somewhat like the typical Asian stereotype.
DeleteI personally believe Lin ceiling to be much higher. Lin is a game changer. He needs to be utilized that way.
Dennis Johnson was as big a "game changer" as there was in the late 70s and 80s.
DeleteAt the height of Dennis Johnson's career with the Celtics, he was averaging nearly 18 points and causing people to say that Earvin Johnson was "Tragic Johnson". He also helped Seattle win its championship and was an All Star with the Suns. When Rick Robey was traded for DJ, Larry Bird said that the Celtics "traded one of my best friends for one of the best players in the game".
Indeed, I would be THRILLED if Jeremy Lin could have a Dennis Johnson star studded game changing championship winning career. It's hard for me to imagine many guards having more of an impact on winning or losing than Dennis Johnson.
What I didn't realize about Lin is that he's 40 lbs heavier than DJ, and DJ was considered a "big guard" back then. I think that if Lin weren't Asian, a lot of people would be calling Lin a "big guard" because he IS one.
Dennis Johnson is "low risk" and "not flashy" and "just a solid role player?" Tell that to the Lakers who got pummeled by Johnson repeatedly in the playoffs. Better yet, tell that to Isiah Thomas when Bird stole that inbound pass with the Celtics down and passed to a streaking Dennis Johnson for a difficult reverse layup.
I remember watching that game. I shut the TV off right before Bird's inbound pass because I thought the pistons had won. Imagine my shock when I found out that the Celtics won the game!
Lakers got pummeled by Larry bird. U act like DJ was a game changer. He was not. Lin can match what DJ did in his prime right now if he was being given the role if pg and got the 37 minutes DJ got during his height.
DeleteLin with Larry, McHalae and Parrish? U kidding me? I was a die hard fan of Celts during those days, and trust me DJ was a solid role player.. Larry was the man.
In the last game of the 87 Finals, DJ had like 32 points and 8 rebounds or assists.
DeleteDJ certainly changed that Detroit game. Actually, he changed the whole series.
DJ also gave Earvin "Tragic" Johnson a really hard time. Giving Magic a hard time is game changing.
You won't convince me - or Magic - or Larry - that Dennis Johnson was not one of the best players in the NBA despite seemingly pedestrian stats.
Not trying to convince a nonbeliever. Dennis Johnson as the headliner of a team would never achieve what Lin did last year. Rondo, cp3, Stockton, Westbrook, I can name many many players who are more athletic than DJ.
DeleteTo call him one if the best players in the nba is way way too much. Was he even voted top 50?
For those who feels down on this chapter of Jeremy's career or even experience some hard time in your life, please watch how Nick Vujicic can help you to feel better, get up and try again.
ReplyDelete"Look at Yourself After Watching This"
OR THIS, from B/R
DeleteBoth are amazing stories! Thanks!
DeleteI am happy for him. He said he hopes to marry a girl and have kids like normal people in an article. He got it all.
DeleteRicky T: I gave your post from last thread some thought ...
ReplyDelete"I understand 200% where you're coming from...as I am an azn american myself and came to southern cali in 1986. After 26 years of growing up here in America, I have similar opinions ..."
> it's nice to know you are thinking and experiencing similar things, and there is a need to help one another even if it's with one person, one family. I love that you have your picture - strong young man!
"why not work towards encouraging and making more jeremy lins in the future?"
> Sure, that's a call to duty to help mentor younger folks of all walks to ascend. I tell college grads they matter, because I'm starting to see they need help to get beyond the millennial soccer-mom thing that all HR departments know about. And, that generation will matter as they take on leadership roles, for everyone.
"marrying taller and more athletic asian women"
> too tough to find a soul mate that has a special physical spec beyond what you 'feel'. You get lucky if you have a soul mate, you get lucky if you both will work at it, you get lucky if it's productive over a lifetime (and it's not crazy-beautiful). And then, as to kids ... even if they have the right specs on body/mind, it's luck and they have free will too. My college buddy warned me once ... "I shouldn't brag about my kids - they will decide what they want to be."
"participate in athletics, and work towards growing the next generation of Asian athletes?"
Delete> Sure, the dad's coaching thing. All we can do is to offer them a breadth until they pick a sport of a talent or school subject they have passion for, and then help them achieve mastery. Too much breadth and you stifle their ability to focus and love something. It's a 2 way street ... you're lucky if you have a kid who will tell you every day they love something and you see them apply themselves as you spend money on lessons. It's harder if they are lukewarm on things.
"forcing their kids to study because 'education' is the answer to all problems"
> Yep, this has been an overweight. Problem is a lot of first gen dads aren't athletic because they came from the old country. Lin was lucky in that he had 2 bros and his dad took them out all the time to play. It was his dad's passion for bball and the reinforcement from his brothers and competition.
> but, I'd still say I'd tell kids to study hard because it's very important to be able to make a solid income in one's 20s. A good income in those key formative, free years allows a person to develop independent hobbies, travel, have some economic power before having more responsibilities. Without some of that freedom, to set up a free life and a passion for free expression using resources, it's harder to explore. Said simpler, it's good to have a career with enough money to be able to ball, read classics, or buy a friend a meal, in one's 20s and developing years. It's not good to have a career that eats up the 20s :-)
"I'm not saying Asian people are genetically inferior"
> Nope, we are not genetically inferior, but we get what we got. I have less fast twitch than sprinters, but I have good first step and that made me valuable on defense and in initiating offense in short run situations. I adjusted my game to make that my advantage, to keep it to short run situations. I was never great at bball, because for some weird reason, when I get vertical, I'm about as coordinated as Asik. But I learned a nice bank where I didn't have to jump too high, and it worked except for really good guys. Horizontally, I am very coordinated but that was only good for baseball and football. So, we have our strengths and weaknesses, and as KHuang said, there's a sport where anyone can find a way to use their body the best.
> I think the key is not genetics, because that doesn't solve everything. It's important to have the older folks teach you how to use your body and mind and then a kid applies his/her passion. So, big agreement that we do need to help our kids explore other things besides physics, especially if it involves emotional intelligence and how to use their minds and bodies well in all situations.
We don't need no education (not pink floyd)
DeleteDiet has a lot to do with our physical makeup.
DeleteI'm 5'5", 170 lbs (on a skinny day).
DeleteI am not fat at all even though my body weight is way out of proportion to my height. On life insurance scales, I'm almost uninsurable due to weight. I work in professional athletics and I NEED the body weight to go against people. I have no doubt that I could bulk out to 200 lbs if I actually lifted weights for real. It's probably the old Taiwanese Pacific Islander (gene) within me that causes me to be so heavy.
When I was younger in my 130 lb days, women would shy away from me because I had a baby face and looked so scrawny. My best friend's Italian mother (now age 90) recently said that I used to look "starved". Now she says I look weight appropriate.
I'm short and balding, and I'm not handsome. Yet I have had no problems dating women of any color in recent years. If I had dating problems, I always attributed it to ME and not because I was strictly Asian. Women are shocked to find out how much I weigh because they think I'm 145 lbs tops.
I've always dated women of all color. If I had problems with women, I can say that 99% of the time the problem was ME and not the woman!
Sure there are women that won't date Asian guys. And sure there are women of all colors that will happily date Asian guys. In Phoenix, we see all sorts of happy couples and I always grin when I see them.
If I were taller, I could not succeed in the athletics and performing I do. Especially in performing, my lack of height gives me an adorable kind of charm!
Please stop this idea that we as a race can't do things because of this or that. The game of basketball has changed because the euros have shown us that athletics is only a portion of the necessary skill needed in any athletic endevours. We used to think that the American would crush the euros in the Olympics, but their extraordinary shooting skills and ball movements proved more than worthy opponents. The game used to revolve around the bigs but the 3s rained down on them and changed the dynamics.
DeleteBasketball like all sports comprise of 6 sets of skills. 1/ technical skills like shooting and dribbling, 2/ speed, quickness and footwork, 3/ endurance and fitness, 4/ strategy and tactics, 5/ mental toughness, 6/ heart and self belief. In basketball each one of these sets of skills add up to a complete player. The euros may not be able to be as fast or quick or strong, but they made up for it with shooting skills, strategy and tactics. Quickness is one of our Chinese attributes and that's what Lin shows us each time he plays. We may not out run the world's fastest in a hundred yard dash, but our quickness off the block often gets us a fast lead.
Lin has shown us that Chinese people has the ability to compete with the best in the world. Believing it is why we will produce more and more athletes of his calibre.
Sometimes, some posts can be considered as too much information.
DeleteInteresting read guys. Thanks for generously sharing your life lessons, experiences, and insights.
DeleteWell, you called me a "twerp" Etane.
DeleteI am sure you have LOTS more "information" you'd like to share with this board about that.
Khuang no offense but you posted a fodder for etane by posting what can be construed as belonging to eharmony self profile.
DeleteHaving said that, etane I really disappointed by your follow up post. I expected to see something wittier.
Just having fun in an otherwise gloomy forum. :)
Solidz75, I like you but not in an Eharmony way. And I'm not trying to attract Etane that way either, as I strictly date women!
DeleteAnybody in real life can look at me and guess my "measurements". They usually guess wrong, though!
Khuang: Thanks for not quoting me out of context but instead quoted me without context at all.
DeleteI'd love for all to read in the Post Magic game thread as well in all the other previous threads how you relentless go after others who disagree with you by calling them "RACIST" and then try to get the rest of the forum to do your dirty work for you.
Then, they will see the context in which I called you "twerp" and "I thought you're 5ft version of brandon lee singlehandedly fighting racism but instead you're buckwheat with hitler's mouth." If you want to quote me, at least quote me correctly.
Oh, and we often talked about keeping this forum safe for the kids. Stop posting your sexual exploits on this page. We're trying to keep it safe for the kids here.
Solidz, sorry to disappoint. My goal was only for the parties involved to be self aware and not be so grandiose about their love lives in public. I think I received some damage after reading it. I think others would too.
BUTANE ETANE!!!
DeleteYou've just added onto your own name (see below).
Sexual exploits, huh?
Since when was dating women "sexual exploits?" I can't wait to hear what you think of that and especially WHY you think that's such a bad thing. Many kids today date members of the opposite gender, and you should know that even Asian parents encourage that!
I agree that people should go read the Magic thread. There, you also call this forum "borderline confused" or something like that. You also called a few other people names. Make sure everybody lnows how you feel about me and others here.
You know, there are a lot of 5'5" "twerps" out there Etane. It's OK for you to look down on short people if you want to do that. That's a lot of "twerps" for you to be looking down on, Etane. And if 170 lbs is "twerpish" to you too, should I call you "big bold beautiful Butane Etane?"
Hey, you also gave me some romantic advice about NOT dating short Asian 5'2" women on that other thread. You said that I should date out of my race. If you received "damage" from your own suggestions about dating, I can help you even further by pointing you toward some of the advice given to you by female members - something about CLOSETS.
I am MINIMALLY insulted at one thing: Brandon Lee is not a guy I idolize. He'd have lasted a lot longer in a real fight against me than Tom Cruise with a samurai sword, though.
Solidz75 is right. You need to come up with better comebacks after you get retaliated against for flaming people here.
Or you can follow my suggestion: let's NOT fight anymore because we are all Jeremy Lin fans here.
Etane much better~~~
DeleteNo I agree Khuang .. I suck at witty comebacks so I resort to immature name calling.
No but I absolutely hate people who believe everything will be okay, especially those who believe its Lin fault that McHale doesn't play him more.
After what has transpired this entire season, with Lin playing great the first two gmes and then systematically getting benched and disrespected, when he has proven over and over again that he has the potential become an elite pg - and people say its his fault for being inconsistent? Those people I will rebut.. and will call delusional.
Oh never mind khuang said etane sucks at comebacks.. Well I think I suck too. I think the banter between u and etane are pretty funny. I have high standards for u guys.
DeleteBob C F Chan: "6/ heart and self belief"
DeleteThis is what I see in JLin every time the horn sounds for him, and this is what makes an athlete inspirational to help us stay with it when we are under pressure. The other 5 you say are right, and they are all needed to get the call up, the horn.
I get frustrated when Lin can't use 6 above as a tool to help win games. I saw the standings and thought ... well, we might be 5 games up and 2 spots up if coaching had coached the games right. Not just rotations, but holding people accountable (Woodson), letting them play their flow (D'Antoni), yelling at them right (Jack on Smart, Pop), and other coaches you all know etc.
The next few years are going to be fun, and my consolation is if Lin sits, he's got more rest to think it over and do better all the time.
Khuang: I absolutely have no beef about you dating 5'2" asian females. However, please remember this forum is called Jeremylin.net. It isn't Khuanglovelife.xxx.
DeleteHey KHuang - I like knowing that you are more fit than me! I'm way above what my doc wants my BMI to be, and it's a vicious cycle of joints, weight, and good food!
DeleteOn that topic, a smart friend says to me when I complain about people not 'getting it' ..."Well, you know, it's the old weight thing. Everybody knows they have to lose 20 pounds, but who can change?" Maybe McHale can't lose 20 pounds either.
JoeTeam and company...
DeleteHey! nice to see you guys caught my comment in that haystack of a thread lol. The main idea I want to give out is that the more important thing (other than watching jLin succeed and talk about his b-ball accomplishments) is to set an environment for the next generation of Jeremy Lins. That's what I really hope for the asian community. Stop the control of our kids' lives and cultivate what they are good at. Would you rather have a kid thath is Ivy League, and socially awkward nerd? or a well balanced hs/college athlete and graduate? Unfortunately, old school asians want the former.
You are absolutely right in the old school asians. My parents (along with the rest of the chinese born in the 1940-1950s) looked down upon athletics. They think a kid should dedicate their whole life to something that can earn money. Everything else is irrelevant. And hence, what they don't understand is that humans don't work that way. We need balance. And through balance we will be successful. I hope our communities can change this thinking, and in doing so, churn out more Jeremy Lins of the future.
Also, JoeTeam, fast twitch muscles are developed....and not skin color-coded, or unique person given. You can still work on it. Buy cleats and doing sprints on the grass field is one way. Another is doing body weight squat jumps. Also, next time you play street ball at the local park, do so on the ball of your feet. Don't let your heel touch the ground. In less than 2 months, I guarantee that you'll see more explosive power, speed and vertical.
Last but not least, I know its funny...cuz I actually laughed at myself...but marrying bigger framed and taller asian women will not doubt give you bigger more athletic kids. If we want to see more asian athletes like Jeremy Lin and want to see more of it, we have to be honest with ourselves. You can't have 6'3 explosive guards when the parents are of average height. You're not gunna see an Asian running back that can do 4.4 in the 40 yard dash if the mother is a lanky weakling of a woman. If you want something done, you have to get rid of the emotional side to things.
KHuang, my dad is 5'5, my mom is 5'9. get my drift? ;)
DeleteJlin's parents both 5'6 and jlin is 6'3.
Deletetrue...but he's an exception. You get your looks and height from your parents. Nothing else.
DeleteJordan's brothers were all 5'8. He's the only 6'5 guy. Shaq's parents are normal height and he's 7'1...etc.
I understand what you mean completely Lydia. But I'm talking generally. Parent who partake in sports will have more athletic kids...given that having more athletes is a goal in the community.
Another day another game another chance for a monumental letdown.
ReplyDeleteWill Lin tease us with another phenomenal bounce back game only to be brought back to earth by this clueless coach?
At this point, I recognize that McHale doesn't regard Lin highly but I just want a sense of fairness. He doesn't have to treat Lin like harden, but at least let Lin dictate how long he plays by judging how he plays on the court and not by how Beverley does.
Well, when you're a doormat, it's hard for a bully like McHale to resist the temptation to trample all over you.
DeleteBullies will pick on anyone they perceive to be weak. Think McHale would dare pull any of this crap on Royce White? The latter would probably clock him into a coma...and plead insanity.
Were I in Lin's place, the "29 points and 9 turnovers" remark would've been the last straw for me. I would've found a way of telling the media, "Now I know how Lowry felt, and you can bet I'll be asking to be traded next offseason."
But no, he continues to take it all on the chin and lying down.
I agree Lin might do himself justice to start leaking to the press fair defense for this kind of careless mouth from coach, but I'm not saying he's a doormat.
Delete"Careless mouth"? None of this stuff is anything but premeditated.
DeleteHe keeps getting away with casting ever more egregious aspersions - which are not only unfounded in fact, but actually the very antithesis of the truth - on Lin. So much so that I think at this point McHale probably can't help himself anymore. He's having so much fun running Lin down in public that he's continually upping the ante by being even more disparaging each time he opens his mouth about his starting PG.
Truth is, nobody's stopping him. Not Les Alexander, not Morey, certainly not Lin himself.
One can only conclude that Lin is not too bothered by any of this OR he just doesn't have the 'nads to address the issue in any way, shape or form.
What's really annoying about the whole business is that he's got all the clout in the world to shut McHale up. For crying out loud, Les is not pocketing millions of dollars every year from the Chinese market because of Harden.
You guys have to remember that McHell is still Lin's boss. If he starts complaining to press, you think he will ever get off the bench? McHell is a vengeful control freak, arrogant and prideful. He is flammed by the Lin fan's hatred of him. He is already punishing Lin for it. Imagine if Lin, himself, came out against McHell. Lin's kicks wouldn't hit the court.
DeleteYeah, just like D'Antoni was Carmelo's boss. And Avery Johnson was DWill's boss. And the list goes on...
DeleteLin may not be a max contract franchise player yet, but neither Melo nor Williams is going to bring their team a chip anytime soon, while Lin could catapult Les into a new tax bracket for years to come if both played their cards right.
Lin has immense clout that he's not using outside of his charitable causes. One word from him and it's Showdown at Sundown, baby!
Either publicly in the media or privately with Morey and Les, all Lin needs to do is ask the question, "What sort of head coach routinely scorns one player on his team?"
Lin has untold power. McHale has a history of incompetence as GM and HC. It's not exactly brain surgery to pick a side here.
I think the only time Lin defended something publicly was when NY media was bashing him on leaving NYK?
Delete"Lin has untold power." Hmmm...sounds mysterious. Lin is actually not even Asian, he's Clark Kent cosplay Jeremy Lin.
DeleteMysterious only to a pinhead like you. Last I checked, the US was still a capitalist country, where money talks, bullshit (McHale's in this case) walks...
DeleteIn the NBA, no market outside the US is more coveted than China's 330 million basketball-playing citizens. That's a lot of yuan that a moron like you couldn't even begin to wrap his head around.
What's more, Lin is big wherever there are Chinese people. And here's more news for you: there are Chinese people EVERYWHERE.
How useless must your existence be that you think it worth your while to troll here incessantly. Just die already, you POS.
Yeah, and we breath air too. No shit sherlock. Lin is just a bball player, he aint got Les in a chokehold controlling his pulse numskull.
DeleteEasy, fanforlife.
Deletegeronimo is not trolling this forum or flaming anybody here. He's just cracking jokes - nothing to worry about.
If we're going to talk "untold power" with Lin, it's his long proven ability to punk anybody who mistreats him by simply being a good person.
Geronimo, I call Jeremy Lin "COACH KILLAH"! That is his "untold power"!
Thank you, KHuang. It was just a joke. Some people.
DeleteMy bad too. No name calling from me.
DeleteI agree with fanforlife. Well said.
DeleteWell don't worry then, Solidz75, geronimo WILL DIE
Delete- sometime in the far future, hopefully!
No, we don't "breath" air, you imbecile. You might want to go back to school before calling someone else a numskull.
DeleteYeah, Lin's "just a bball player". Because it's commonplace for any run-of-the-mill player who's not a coveted big in this league to get a $25 million contract on the strength of just 35 career starts - from an owner who just happens to be trying to resuscitate his business interests in the Chinese market.
Yeah, right. You're stupid beyond belief.
Here, let me try to put your worthlessness on this planet in terms that even a lamebrain like you can understand:
This is a site for Lin fans. If you're not one of us, you clearly don't belong here. And you're clearly not one of us.
Because NO LIN FAN thinks what McHale is doing to his starting PG is even remotely acceptable. Hell, no player should ever be so publicly humiliated at every turn the way Lin is now. Never mind someone as humble and accommodating as Lin.
The fact that you choose to spend so much time and attention where you OBVIOUSLY don't belong, when life is short and you could be devoting yourself to worthier causes than trolling here, shows how pathetic your existence must be.
And KHuang, surely you can tell when someone is attempting to mock you rather than just "joking"?
The guy is a jerk whose place is with the subhumans on Clutchfans, and not here.
Khuang is a McHell only Fan who welcomes all back handed comments about Lin.
DeleteBUTANE ETANE!!!
Deletehe can't stop flaming because he can't stop hating!!!
Fanforlife, geronimo apologized to you.
He IS a Lin fan - albeit one with a sarcastic sense of humor that is not directed at you personally.
You're OK, fanforlife.
Fanforlife, I completely share your sentiments and frustration. U should post here more. Quite articulate I may add. It is quite refreshing to read your posts rather than some of these delusional fans who try to justify what McHale is doing.. Calling it tough love and redirect the blame on Lin saying that its Lin's fault for being so inconsistent.
DeleteSolidz75, name some names if you're gonna call people on this forum "delusional".
DeleteNah, u know who they are. Let me just say IMO there are two types if fans on this forum, those who tried to justify the status quo and finds a way to far fetched theories to explain Lin's current situation. And those like myself and far fetched who are sick and tired if same bs every game with McHale continuing to marginalize Lin- the realists. I think everyone fits this category one way or another.
DeleteBad thing is because of the emotional investment, we are turning against each other.
But the truth will be revealed soon enuff either during playoffs when key starter minutes should go up and if not, next year at the latest provided McHale is still around.
I would love to eat crow but the longer the season goes, I know I will be proven right.
We don't have to turn against each other if we don't call each other "delusional".
DeleteWe can simply do like you did above: agree to disagree.
In my case, I usually can see both sides of an argument. The only thing I consider "delusional" is when Lin is criticized as a "bust".
Solidz75 - Your eat crow comment sounds fun. Why don't we have a bet on how many minutes McDuck is gonna play Lin today. I felt Lin got duped last game, but I say Lin plays 34-35 minutes today if they don't blow out the Mavs early. What say you? If you win, I will go back to Clutchfans for the rest of the month until April. If I win, you can go hang out on BleacherReports for a month. Deal!!!
DeleteFanForLife if we don't breathe air what do we breathe genius?
DeleteKhuang loves people who come in here to troll like geronimo.
DeleteWhatever Butane Etane!!!
DeleteNo I don't want u to go., ger. I have no agenda against you. I would live to go back to clutchfan and defend Lin against those morons but I am banned. So this is the only forum for me to vent my frustration like fanforlife, who seems to echo my sentiments. That or taking my frustrations out on ho Chen on tweeter who surprisingly has not blocked me yet - but his constant praise of Beverley during last game rubbed me the wrong way as well as him quoting McHale and Beverley about Lin to placate Lin fans.
Delete( I wish this site was a little more mobile friendly though - so hard to correct my sp mistakes due to autocorrect and atrocious grammar)
So just a friendly bet. Over or under. Lin's playing time today. His season average of 32.7 minutes. Tough call to make. I think McHale and Rox are definitely hearing our wrath so some pressure there but McHale is falling love with bev after how he played last game.
I say under 32.7 minutes. McHale doesn't give a crap about front office or us. He is going to go with a player who thinks gives him the best chance to win and make the playoffs. He loves bev. So below 32.7 min. Likely around 30 min.
Solidz75 lol, ok. It was just for grins!!!
DeleteGosh...the guy's even dumber than I thought. Can't tell that he misspelled "breathe" the first time even when it's shoved in his face right off the bat.
DeleteWord from the wise: If you're going to call someone "numskull", at least make sure your 2-line post is not littered with misspellings and non sequiturs that reveal you for the semi-educated peabrain that you are.
Spastic moron is spastic. Shockah.
Wanna know why the US keeps falling further and further behind the East Asians academically? Just look in the mirror.
Hey fanforlife, over or under, Lin's PT today 32.7 minutes..
DeleteFanofLife, I am your fan.
DeleteHowever, it's NUMBSKULL with a B.
I'm not trying to flame you. We all here can have bad grammar and misspellings.
Hey KHuang, what "sarcastic sense of humor"? Did I miss a funny from him? Coz I sure haven't seen him post anything worthy of even a titter.
DeleteAnd you bet I know a witty poster when I see one; I'm a migrant from Posting & Toasting, after all.
Hey khuang over or under Jlin's minute today?
DeleteHe spelled it "numskull". Check your dictionary. Both spellings are correct.
DeleteFYI, I don't care about bad English/misspellings on this site. But bad trolls with bad English calling me "numskull" just need to be put in their place.
Well, then I'm a NUMSKULL too!!!
DeleteNo mpg predictions from me.
DeleteI only care if Lin makes the most out of his minutes. So far this season, he has.
When Lin was a no playing 2nd year benchwarmer in January 2012, I proclaimed that he had All Star potential and that he could easily average similar stats to what he did at Harvard. I have never wavered on that.
This comment has been removed by the author.
DeleteAt this point, I don't even care about his minutes any more. I just want to see him kick ass. On- AND off-court.
DeleteInstead of reinforcing the most unflattering Chinese male stereotype. You know, a punching bag for all comers - refs, dirty opponents, his coaches, Rox fans...I'm too tired to name the rest.
Okay, just kidding. I'm never too tired to rant about the evil forces arrayed against our boy. :)
@FanForLife ... 'careless mouth' ... I was just trying to put a picture of a guy out of control the reader. I don't think McHale is a good coach. MN track record, what he's done here. Inconsistent should be said of his system and coaching, not Lin because stats show Lin is consistent and consistently getting better on the 3s. McHale is not in control - example, he might have been forced on the trades. So sure, maybe he like all other public people can use positioning or framing, but his '9 TOs' are getting him roasted by even neutral fans. He has 'microcontrol' :-)
Delete@solidz75, I'd go with more than your 32min line just because it'll be more fun watching the game. I have no basis.
@KHuang: "Well, then I'm a NUMSKULL too!!!" very nice and funny response to admit not right-click dictionary.com
As to troll or not troll, one thing to do is to stay calm. We only see a few words and who knows anything about each other except what we say, and then, it takes time to see if indeed people are consistent. What we do say about ourselves, though, helps the others know the writer, and then, comments are not taken out of context. The relationship between the writer and the reader needs to be built on trust. Information about each is good for that, to reduce misunderstandings.
I ignored your quotes for the same reason you glossed over the simple fact that open forums like these are littered with misspellings. Yet, you chose to nitpick a simple typo to show you have competed in spelling bee. You are indeed a genius Ms. FanForLife. Carry on with your untold powers, I'm amused!!! ROFLMAO.
Delete"At this point, I don't even care about his minutes any more." Yeah you do, every Lin fan cares about his minutes, or why else would you be barking up a tree. To seek his untold powers?
DeleteSo, not just a moron, but a backpedaling one, too.
DeleteIn other words:
Backpedaling moron backpedals.
I could do this all day. In fact, I think I will.
"Untold powers" again? And presuming to know what a Lin fan cares or doesn't care about?
DeleteStuck-on-stupid moron is still stuck on stupid. LOL.
You can do what all day? Interchange a phrase repeatedly:
Delete"not just a moron, but a backpedaling one"
Then...
"Backpedaling moron backpedals."
What's next?
moron is backpedaling on backpedals
ROFLMAO. Stop it FanForLife, I'm laughing so hard my belly aches.
Soory not FanForLife, it's Ms. FanForLife. Gotta be respectful to the English teachers by way of East Asia academia.
DeleteDoh...I misspelled "soory" come get me, quick!!!
DeleteI apologize KHuang, but I need to school this East Asia Academia English teacher to show her some humility.
DeleteFanforlife on fiyah today! McHale betta recognize cause if he mistreats Lin again, F4L nd I are gonna rip shit up ... Here...
DeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
DeleteI see your arrogance is directly proportional to your moronism.
DeleteHence:
Arrogant moron is moronically arrogant.
This is fun.
So you "need to school" me to "show (me) some humility", eh? Don't you mean to "teach" - not "show" - me some humility?
DeleteWhat...you don't know the difference?
Not to rub it in, but:
Incoherent moron is incoherent.
Just. Too. Easy.
Jokes supposed to be funny. If it's not funny, partly blame on people who don't get your jokes, partly blame for yourself making a stupid joke.
DeleteI think Lin plays his best when he is emotional .. eg the okc game when he got his technical because he was pissed off about his teammates getting traded or the times when he suddenly perks up after a hard foul.. Eg Tyson's hard hit on him. Psychologically, I think that is when gets that killer instinct and plays without having to think so much and lets the game come to him. That was kind of dantoni a offense where an open player takes the shot when he is open.
ReplyDeleteUnder McHale, Lin is constantly trying hard not to play what comes to him naturally ( what made him successful) and thinking too much. This is why he looks so darn tentative - especially in second half of games.
So I just hope Lin uses that anger against McHale in a productive way to stop thinking too much and just play. He needs to grow a thicker skin and let McHale's critcism bounce off him. Lin is no longer a bench player. He is a legit nba starter who is much more valuable to the Rox than McHake will ever be.
I think Lin since his earliest playing days has allowed inconsistency to be so ingrained into his DNA that he apparently can't shake it off anymore.
DeleteIt's part of the JLin lore that he would only get up for certain games, e.g., against UConn and Boston College. Heck, Harvard almost passed him over because their scout was none too impressed with him the one time he was checking Lin out for the purpose of recruiting him.
This comment has been removed by the author.
DeleteSo it's fortunate for JLin to be gifted in basketball rather than golf, table tennis or any sports that requires individual talent, discipline and winner’s mindset. A Champion in these sports has to play through preliminary rounds before reaching quarter-finals, semi-finals then only finals. For players who need "feel" or "flow" to consistently win matches, these players will never ever make it far, let alone winning any championship.
Delete@Solidz75 and L Kim, it seems that way, although I feel Lin is pretty mentally strong already. Anyway, it is hard to get emotional all 82 games tho :P. McHale did put him into an uncomfortable situation tho, I just don know if anger will be the solution to that.
DeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
DeleteSo basically Lin needs to play like:
Delete1. Angry (OKC game)
2. Nothing to lose (Linsanity/Knicks, vs Spurs this year)
IMO Lin's secret gf needs to light that fire under his arse then :)
In those games, Lin was primary PG through the entire game.
DeleteFanForLife: On Lin's inconsistency, I think you've said it more than once. I myself yell at my screen when he misses a massive open look or a layup. But I think it's because I want him to smoke everyone all the time. Some CF defenders have put stats together to show he has consistent FG% and another articles says he's actually consistent on that with Linsanity. I didn't dig if it's TS% or the details. His 3s have improved throughout the season. My thought is my own bias in wanting him to smoke it all the time, and then, the rotations, poor crunch coaching, and the pressure of having a system that won't let you do what you do. In short, I don't see him more inconsistent as any other team made (Del, Parsons, Har-en, Asik), but he's saddled with team performance so he gets marked with the inconsistent team performance (and coaching).
DeleteOthers have said he should just smoke his stats, and I'm on that wagon now. I just want to have fun when I watch him, and that means I've given up on the FO and coaching.
I wonder what would happen if Lin end up looking like this
ReplyDeleteThat will be SUPER COOL, plus, on the court, throwing in a few "deceptive" retaliations against the dirty players who hurt him or make him bleed, and a few "deceptive" kicks on the stomach of that LAC player, that will be even cooler, so that those dirty players will think twice before they play dirty on him.
DeleteKB/DH vs LJ/JH
ReplyDeleteQuote :
DeleteLin has not once complained about getting fewer shots than Harden--which he does, Harden getting 17.4 shot attempts this season compared to Lin's 10.6 field goal attempts--only talking about how much the team has improved this season, while Harden praised Lin's talent, commending him on leading by example as Lin is "making shots, making plays. He's doing everything,"
"Well, under the tutelage of former Celtics legend Kevin McHale and using their youth and athleticism to their advantage, the Rockets have torched opponents with a blitzkrieg-like, run-and-gun, relentless pick-and-roll offense that has generated 106.7 points per game, second highest in the NBA and only a tenth behind the Western Conference champs OKC."
DeleteRelentless pick and roll?
The author probably started writing this article before the Bucks game last week.
Let me harp on the same points here, which I and many mentioned....since Dec
ReplyDeleteJL just need to forgo the rest and play his game.
He needs to take atleast 15 shots.
The fans and media would take notice of his game and starts to question KM, WHY the bench?! to many, number counts rather than team play.
Defend his man and dont overplay on D. Helping out once in a while and get a steal or two, is fine.
GO JLIN!
I'd love to see one game when he does this because we've come to this, and it is as good a try as hoping Harden can succeed every last play (out of time-outs even!).
Deleteif tomorrow Jeremy's benched AGAIN, I won't buy the bummed ankle excuse. I've watched highlights vs Magic and based on what I've seen there aren't any changes in Jeremy's movement and speed.I'll only buy it if it comes from Jeremy's mouth that his ankles are bothering him.
ReplyDeleteI do not think the ankle was the excuse, like many games b4 it, Lin missed 3 mid range shot which McHale does not like. McHale sees it as a sign of LIN not running offense right. And PB's 4th Q performance just further benched Lin.
DeleteWhy we buying into the ankle BS? If Lin's ankles were hurting him, he wasn't going to play punto. If he's playing, it means he's OK. McDuck had an episode of 4Q alzheimers and thought Lin was the trainer working on Harden's bum knee.
DeleteScrooge McDuck plays his players through injuries.
DeleteHow come no one is talking about Aaron Brooks signing?
ReplyDeleteI read that JLin can learn some from him, but he won't displace Lin (I think that was the gist of it - maybe my bias). The discussion on that at CF is pretty good if you chop off the outliers.
DeleteCan someone fill me in on Aaron Brooks? Is he a threat to Jeremy? I have no idea who he is as a player. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteAARON BROOKS COULD BE HEADED BACK TO HOUSTON
DeleteIn sheer basketball ability, Aaron Brooks is absolutely no threat to Jeremy Lin.
DeleteAaron Brooks is the player that Jeremy Lin stuffed under the rim, stripped, and then went coast to coast on for that dunk over current teammate Francisco Garcia. Yeah, THAT Aaron Brooks.
If Lin loses his starting position to that guy, then rhe BEATINGS will begin. Jeremy Lin will KILL both Brooks and Beverley in practices, and that'll spill over into games. That's what happened with the Knicks.
Now I'm hoping that the Rockets try to get Goran Dragic back. As a Suns fan who hates the franchise and the team so much to the point he refuses to attend Suns games, I will happily let the Rockets have Dragic back. Send over Lin and Trob for Dragic and I'll suddenly become a Suns fan because Lin can singlehandedly turn around the Suns!
I still feel that the ROX's FO regreted the decision replacing Dragic with Lin after they found out they can sign Harden.
DeleteBrooks will not take over the starting role, but will take min away not from bev but Lin. U watch
DeleteI hope hope hope you are right, Brent Yen.
DeleteActually, I have nothing against Dragic anymore. I used to hate his game when he played for the Suns, but McHale did straighten Dragic out. I won't blame Dragic for the Suns' bad record, though I will blame Dragic for not involving Marcin Gortat more.
Even if the Suns got Jeremy Lin while keeping Dragic, there's no reason Jeremy Lin could not play the off guard position. I feel that Jeremy Lin would easily start on the Suns, and he's be a fine NBA shooting guard. Dragic and Lin could easily coexist and excel.
I'd enjoy Jeremy Lin at SG for the Suns. He'd SHUT DOWN James Harden!!!
Ability wise, no doubt Lin can play SG, but do you think Lin is a bit short to play SG in NBA standard?
DeleteNo, I don't think Lin is too short to play SG.
DeleteHe doesn't have any trouble getting his shot off against taller opponents, and if he's way too quick for any PG to guard then he'll be even quicker against SGs. Defensively Lin can cover any SG.
A SG role besides a player like Dragic would actually be higher usage for Lin than what he's getting now.
RocKKKets coaching staff have Beverly and Brooks penciled in ahead of Lin on the depth chart. I wish Lin would just stand up and call out "Racism" on this absolute fascist regime already. Fans already have. I hope everyone that types in the term Rockets, now spell it as I have, "RocKKKets."
ReplyDeleteHow old are you? -3. You should call yourself dodo not yoyo. Rockets coaching staff are white supremacists defending 2 black dudes against a yellow dude. ROFLMAO.
DeleteIf that's the case, maybe I'm -4!
DeleteJeremy Lin always has had the pall of racism cast over him his entire career.
It would and would not surprise me if the Rockets coaches did and did not feel some racial animosity toward Lin.
I don't mean it that way. I know there's maybe some racism going on. I see her point but probably the use of KKK was meh.
DeleteAh, geronimo!
DeleteYou are one of my favorite members here, and I want you to stick around and check something out.
On this forum, Asian Americans like me often feel forcibly excluded from many aspect of American culture because of our race.
Jeremy Lin is an Asian American like me and others here, and what he goes through with people constantly trying to degrade his game and minimalize his contributions are very galling for people like me who endure (well, USED to endure in my case) anti Asian racism. The way the KKK has treated blacks is very similar to what Asians like me have faced in our own lives.
Stick around, geronimo. Observe me closely. You'll see me BATTLING that racism constantly in a variety of ways!
You mean hiding behind forum members while using the race card again and again.
DeleteBUTANE ETANE!!!
Deletethe man who called me "Buckwheat Hitler!!!"
LOL khuang you really are -4.
Deletegeronimo - y u gotta knock people then count on someone else to bring it back to a fair tone? Not everyone has Internet 10 shields, powerups and cheat codes. Go easy on the citizens.
DeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
DeleteIf I have time to watch the game today, I think I am going to count how many scores were made by DAL against harden. for example, he let his man blow by him, he do not contest the jumpers ,etc.
ReplyDeleteI believe Lin will be traded by the Rockets at some point.
ReplyDeleteFrom the very start, Morey said his blueprint for a championship team is to have 3 all stars. Harden is 1 but the 2 are still to be found. Between Parsons and Lin, Parsons has been more consistent and looks like he has the higher upside so I would say Harden and Parsons form part of the core and Lin will be the trade bait to acquire another superstar. I'd be shocked if Morey did not trade Lin and allow him to finish out his contract with the Rockets.
I doubt Parsons is more consistent, it may just looked like it. Lin need to improve his game quick, not for avoid been traded, but for his future with whatever team he landed.
DeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
DeleteThe only thing that I kind of disagree with is that Chandler Parsons has a higher upside than Jeremy Lin.
DeleteChandler Parsons is a very average straight line dribble driver with ZERO defense and ZERO passing skills and ZERO rebounding ability. He couldn't do those things at the NBA level even if he tried. If the Rockets consider such a limited player a "star", then I look forward to them dumping Lin ASAP.
No matter what team Lin ends up on, he's going to make a huge impact. On sheer talent and ability alone, Lin is the best PG in NBA but gets the least touches.
If Lin can fit into this Rockets system which has zero defensive coaching and minimal offensive coaching, then he can easily fit on any other team with any other coach.
I want to know what makes "Parsons looks like he has the higher upside". Only in your eyes, right? Or it's got to be a joke? Because I have never listened to anyone saying this except this troll "I only show up when Lin struggles" MrScrewup.
DeleteLOL @Cara who has no ability to defend his arguments (I don't blame him, he seems to be on the losing side all the time) without personal attacks.
DeleteLast year you Lin fanboys couldn't stop touting how Lin had a very high PER rating which shows how valuable he is. Well, I haven't heard that argument lately coz guess what, Lin's PER is at #38 for all PGs. He's also ranked #42 of all PGs in terms of Ast/TO ratio. I can't believe I got bashed for saying Lin is not at Chris Paul's level yet. LOL. Can somebody really argue this? Like c'mon.. at some point you gotta face the facts and admit your blind allegiance is getting in the way of the truth.
More power to Lin. I'll always be a fan of him but you Lin fanboys are like cult members who burn people at the stake who don't drink your koolaid of "Lin is the greatest". LOL.
@KHuang, please don't let facts get in the way of your arguments. Saying Parsons has ZERO passing skills and ZERO rebounding ability? Did you even bother checking the stats? Parsons is like #8 in the entire NBA at his small forward position at Assists and #16 in rebounding. Oh btw, he's #14 in steals and #7 in FG%. #7 in FG% at the SF position ahead of guys like Carmelo, Josh Smith, Paul George, Pierce, etc. Dude plays like Lamar Odom back when Odom was still good.
DeleteFair enough, Mr.Screwup.
DeleteI still Parsons needs to work a lot on his game. I still can't seem to think of him as a "star" who creates opportunities for other players.
Bear in mind that what I think of as a "star" and what everybody else calls a "star" is not the same. For example, I do not consider James Harden a "star" because his unwillingness to play defense knocks out everything he does offensively.
Well, everybody including you likely feels Lin is being artificially limited from doing more.
DeleteWe also believe that Lin can excel to levels PAST Chris Paul if he had the right environment.
Also, I wrote above how the Rockets' utter unwillingness to play defense (yes, Chandler Parsons too) is KILLING Lin. A decreased PER is a direct result of that.
I don't think you truly disagree with us, Mr. Screwup.
Mr. Screwup ... Parson's passes the eye test to me :-) And a lot of others. But, in reality, though you quoted nice ratings, he can't be trusted to run open court, and he plays beyond himself to have critical turnovers that are not in the stats, at key times. Don't get me wrong, I see Lin making mistakes too, and you should hear me yelling when it's a critical swing point in the game. But, I see it more with Parsons and Harden, and I don't yell at the screen because their narrative isn't so important to me.
DeleteHarden on Beverley: 'He won us that game'
ReplyDeleteHere's some advanced stats to look at, his shot chart:
ReplyDeletehttp://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=202391
Jeremy Lin is basically good shooting 4 specific areas on the court, and below 35% everywhere else. He is great within 5 feet around the circumference of the rim, the space between the FT line and 3-pt line, and right corner in front of the 3-pt corner, and the left 3-pt corner. He should work to improve a floater between 5-10 feet (study Tony Parker and Steve Nash) in the off-season, but for this season he should really cut down on his low shooting areas to be more efficient. Anytime he's within 5 feet the SHOT SHOULD GO UP.
Word - last game, Bev with 2 floaters, Lin with one that people call a floater, or a pass to Asik for slam. Go for the stats!
DeleteHere is another link to ponder:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nba/usage-percentage.aspx
The definition of usage rate. Lin's usage rate is 19%, which is 1% higher than Parson's. ClutchFans haters like to bring up Stockton's historic 19% usage rate to downplay Lin's limited usage.
I think the problem is that the Rocket's free-flowing system artificially inflates Lin's usage% (which also hurts his PER which is how many FG's, FT's, assts, rebounds, etc a player gets related to their usage rate among total possessions).
I think Lin gets credited with "usage" when he dribbles up the court and passes it off and basically disappears from the play and never gets the ball back. He gets punished by PER by handling the ball briefly, and then not getting a score, FT, or assist as a result of that possession.
My recommendation: If Lin is not going to be the featured playmaker on a certain play, he should not even take the in-bounds pass. Any time he actually touches the ball, he should be extremely aggressive and either score, draw a foul, or pass leading to an assist. Lin hurts his own advanced stats that his nerd-GM loves to analyze so much because he technically gets included in usage of possessions where he isn't really a factor, and it inflates his usage% and also hurts his PER that every other GM looks at.
the game against the bucks shows the weakness of Mchale's system. his idea of ball movement sounds great on paper, but with no one allowed to dribble into the paint (except for Harden), it is quite easy for opposing team to subtly force the passing into the perimeter. this is why the rox lost the game against the bucks at the last 2 minutes of the game when they had a lead. they took way too many 3s to lose possessions and allowed the bucks to catch up and win it on the last play. the rox depends too much on 3s. the weakness in Mchale' system plus his inability to make adjustments at the half has lead to way too many high risk shots at clutch time.
ReplyDeletelin doesnt need to complain about play time or misuse. its a battle he can't win. the system Mchale is flawed and all lin needs to do is not bother trying to probe the interior of the defense and let the rox continue to be pushed out towards the perimeter. he just need to play safe like Mchale wants him to, move without the bato find a shot for himself and just shoot when he gets the ball. he needs to simplify his role on this team. McHale's PGs are all not required to be creative, which is Lin's strength. McHale expects his PGs to keep the ball moving and let the system create the shots. Lowey hated this system and got shipped out. This system will crash down the stretch and people will say the Rox are just a 3 team, which it is given the structure it is built upon.
Lin trys to help the team by probing the middle when he should just do as he is told and let the Rox reveal that the system is inherently flawed. Lin can practice his post up shooting and build his game while McHale will burn once the Rox fail to make the playoffs.
@Bob C F Fan: I like it!
Delete"its a battle he can't win. the system ... is flawed and all lin needs to do is not bother trying to probe the interior of the defense and let the rox continue to be pushed out towards the perimeter. he just need to play safe like Mchale wants him to ... he needs to simplify his role on this team."
It's the only way to succeed when one is skilled, can do and knows more than one is allowed to do/know, and is faced with a no win situation. Even if a group has good intentions and everyone is sincerely trying, sometimes you have to let the drowning person tire out so they don't drown you too.
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon ... or Sun Tzu.
Hi everyone,
ReplyDeleteI am a huge fan of Jeremy and this amazing website. I have followed you guys for some time but only now have decided to post. The posts here are very intelligent and I learn so much! Anyway, I look forward to joining you guys and hope to contribute something meaningful from time to time. I think Jeremy is doing great considering his difficult situation. He will be fine. Go Jeremy!
Welcome, KauaiBlue!
DeleteThank you for complimenting us. This is as intelligent a forum as you will find.
Now you are one of us. I look forward to reading your posts.
Hiya Kauaiblue and CT!
Delete@CT, the threads keep flowing and I didn't have a chance to say hi thanks.
@Kauaiblue, how is the surf? jk. What's the best think you like about JLin, and where's your head at with how Lin can get through the next 5 games to change it up, or will it just be like before ... some Q4 benching, some regression to mean, some fan heat, etc.
Thank you KHuan and JoeTeam for the warm welcome. You are two of my favorites on this site.
Delete@JoeTeam, I spent a little time in Kauai as a kid. I just loved the beach :) I live in NY now. I was here last year for Linsanity and it was awesome!
Went to the Nets game a week ago. It was great to see JLin. Let me tell you. JLin has a huge fan base. The crowd oohed and ahhed and cheered for our boy whenever he had a good play. I also saw several JLin jerseys, worn by fans of all ages, races, and backgrounds. Ok, looking forward to the game. See you then!
Jeremy Lin Must Take Advantage of Weaker Opponents to Help Rockets' Playoff Push
ReplyDeleteRetitle it to McHale must let Jeremy take afvantage,., then I will read it.
DeleteOne of the posters made posted this:
DeleteWalter Mitchell posted 19 minutes ago Contributor I
"Well in the 7 games since the Kings games his FG% & (3pt%) looks like this: 27% (0%), 33% (33%), 55% (60%), 36% (0%), 22% (33%), 36% (0%), 50% (100%).
Do you see how up and down these numbers are? All I'm saying is the Rockets need for Lin find a little more consistency in his jumpshot."
Kenoshi, do you have some stats on Jeremy's shooting in Feb?
Lol, I would if I could.
DeleteDang, those shooting numbers make Lin look like a 2nd year Tony Parker!
DeleteTony Parker was inconsistent in his 2nd year?
Deleteyes, Parker was very inconsistent in his shooting.
DeleteA few days ago, somebody posted the actual stats.
Also, Parker has said that Lin's inability to hit shots reminded Parker of himself at the time.
jlinfan4ever:
DeleteFor what you copied from Mitchell, those look to be stats use to fool people or the guy doesn't know his stats.
FG% mean: 37% but Standard Dev = 12% so, 3 sigma confidence is 36%. So, you have a mean that is 37%, but you can only be 99% confident it's a good number if you +/- with a 36% each way.
For 3pt mean: 14% and sdev is 37%. So 3 sigma is 113%.
So, JLin is inconsistent only in that in those games, his 3pt is likely 99% confidence between 0% and 14%+113% = 127%.
You can relax this to 2.56 sigma if you want 98% confidence. This is very basic and there are other ways to test the data and it's easy to see the sample set is too low.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation
Again, this guy either has no idea how to use numbers, or he is fooling people with bad numbers.
Lin is consistent if you take the right data set and measure the right things. Others have spent a lot more time on this, and I would if I had the time and raw data. Check out the CF thread I posted at the top and copy paster easier here (there is no testing of the data, but it's a better sample set):
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=234663
Lin's stats month to month:
ReplyDeletehttp://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4299/jeremy-lin
Honestly, NBA should put asterisks next to numbers that are not statistically relevant at min. with respect to standard deviation. They are teaching people very bad habits by publishing raw averages. Calling.Stern.now.
Deletealright no bummed ankles or whatever - LIN A FULL PARTICIPANT IN SATURDAY PRACTICE
ReplyDelete