I wonder what NBA will do with those fines, if only they can use them to buy McChickens or something to feed the hungry, that will be great.
Come to think of it, why isn't the LAC player who kicked JLin on the stomach fined or suspended for a few games yet? I think he should be fined at least 20,000 McChickens .
Do people really think Lin had a bad game? He wasn't at Linsanity level, but I thought he did more good than bad. I can't believe people at clutch r saying he played horrible. Do half of people even have the chance to watch the games?
People probably say he had a terrible game bec he didnt produce a lot of points.but his assists to the second team contributed a lot especially in the first half.i dont think DMo would have gotten his points if not for jeremy, i'd say thecsame thing to smith.
I wanted DMo to play more today, but he needs to move his feet and not camp in the block too long. There were a time or two he could have been called for defensive 3 seconds. He also used his behind to screen which could have been a foul too. If DMo wants to continue to play, he need not make these kinds of mistakes. Fortunately, he got off the hook today. I'm still high on him though.
solidz, see my lengthy post below. As for clutchfans bashing Lin, they just reflect the mainstream media perspective on Lin.
If you look at the stats, it would like like DWill completely outplayed Lin; but, it was exactly the opposite. I was shocked at the end of the game when they showed that Dwill had 11 assists to Lin's 6. Whhaaaaaaat? I thought the Rockets pretty much controlled DWill, Parsons did a nice job defending him, and Dwill's assists were of the invisible kind, apparently, because he wasn't much of a playmaker tonight. CJ Watson played better than Dwill.
paca, i wouldn't call Lin's game tonight as proof of his "inconsistent" play this season. He's been very consistent with his shooting the last 10 game until tonight, which is really the main thing you can label as an inconsistent part of Lin's game.
Not just clutch but the announcers (worrell) as well as people here. Okay, Lin had a horrible shooting night but he played a great team ball with unbelievable assists that will surely get better as he gets more familiar with his new big men. I don't think this is a sign that he is inconsistent. Just off night shooting in the second half. Perhaps McHale killed lin's mojo at the half yet again?
The Rockets have a very easy schedule for like the next 12 games. Should be interesting. They have an opportunity to draw a lot of attention to themselves and put Harden on track for an MVP. If they were to go on a long winning streak, they'd have an outside shot at winning 50 games.
Yeah, I expect the Roxs to lose at most 2 games in the next 12 game stretch. And the final 13 games, they can lose at most 9 games. The final tally is a 45-37 record, good enough to make the playoffs hopefully. Harden MVP would be nice.
The Knicks are imploding. I'll be very pleased if they finished eighth or not even make it at all. The possibility is high as the Knicks still have an upward battle ahead with tough teams.
I didn't come here until the game was over and I just read through the second half posts. And wow, my perception of Lin's game is soooooooo different from most of yours'.
I thought Lin had an awesome game, and he was the difference maker for the Rockets, and would award him team mvp for the game.
Yes, clearly, both he and Harden had tired legs from the OKC game, that's to be expected. And it was Lin that basically carried the team through three quarters before Harden took over late with some big shots at the end. In fact, the lead would have been bigger if Harden played less in the first half because he wasn't getting calls on his patented drives to the basket, and just ended turning over the ball.
He tore the Nets defense to shreds with his play-making in the second quarter, and he and D-Mo had it going ON. WOW. Being up by 8 against the Nets is like being up 14 or 15, because the Nets don't have the offense to easily overcome such deficits. And they didn't.
The nice play by the bench was also set up by Lin's play in the first half. In the halftime interview, a Nets coach said they had to really fix the pnr defense in the second half; i.e., they had to do something to shut down Lin. And whatever they did seem to work. But, bench did well because they changed the pace of the game in a way that the Nets couldn't quickly adjust to after being so focused on shutting down Lin.
And again, McIKeepOnDoingStupidThings nearly kept in the bench and Beverly too long in the fourth. He put in all the starters except Lin around the 8 minute mark when the bench was losing steam. But, he left in sparkplug beverly, thinking bev with Harden would stabilize the game. Nope. Nets score one or two more baskets and thankfully, McHale had Lin up at the scorer's table.
So, even though it got a little tight near the end, I never thought the win was in jeopardy, especially when you have someone like Harden who can play like complete crap the entire game, then for a few minutes in crunch time, be more focused and hit some dagger threes.
And his numbers don't really tell how dominating he was, especially in the first half. I was shocked to see he only had 6 assists; it seemed like he was involved in almost every scoring play in the second quarter.
The one big beef with McHellish's coaching - in the second half, either Lin and D-Mo didn't play at all together, or didn't play much together. Those two clearly played well together in the first half; so, wouldn't a reasonably intelligent coach make sure they play together in the second half?
So, it's weird how I saw a different game than most of everyone in the world, including posters here.
The way I think about it, it's like a good pitcher who doesn't have his best stuff who still goes 8 innings, gives up hits and some runs, but is in total command the entire game.
However, what you described is consistent with what I've been seeing from Lin all season long.
Lin gets on these fantastic playmaking runs where he's not making any individual boxscore impact but is just HAMMERING opponents.
Lin will dribble in and collapse a defense for a wide open shot, chase after an open man to force a bad shot, push the ball upcourt and make a pass that leads to another pass for a fast break layup, then poke a ball away that leads to a steal - and the lead has gone from 5 to like 15 in that stretch! The boxscore says nothing, but Lin is all over the place WINNING THE GAME.
From what you wrote, RoberLin, it seems that Lin went on one of those turbo rampages in the 2nd quarter where he becomes invincible after a power up.
And of course, Lin is as good a 4th quarter player as there is in the NBA. He gets subbed back in to prevent the Rockets from collapsing after Beverley has played his reserve minutes.
Jeremy Lin is scary when he goes on those one man rampages. There is little anybody can do to impede him once the gamma radiation kicks in and it's Lincredible Hulk Smash time!
Roberlin, I thought lin had a great game too and I like your post. I was confident like you because lin had been steady with his last 6-9 min closeouts. He hit the j for two then harden abd I think delfino to ice the gsme. Plus nba highlight dimes and a good friday night.
Well, to be more accurate, it was a two-man wrecking crew in the second. Lin couldn't have done it without D'Mo tonight. No way Asik catches that freakin' AWESOME bounce pass to DMo for the fastbreak lay-up. Lin also had a few really nice passes to Smith.
What tonight's game really showed is that Lin's inconsistency this season (so called) can be attributed to some extent to the lack of an athletic, sure-handed big man who can also run the floor. He had Tyson Chandler in NY, and this year, he had . . . Asik. You replace Asik with Chandler, and Lin's numbers look totally different this year.
I am really anxious to see this TRobinson guy play. If he's all that the scouting reports say he is, he is going to be a huge asset to the team and to Lin. Robinson could be this year's Steve Novak, a nobody turned into a huge offensive asset because of Lin.
Except Robinson would bring an inside presence that this team really needs if it wants to make the playoffs and go as deep as possible. He could be a difference maker in a game when the team isn't making three-pointers.
Lin had some beautiful dimes tonight. Hard to pick out a favorite (for me, either the zip pass or the bounce between Lopez' legs). DMo still looks like he's adjusting to the pace, but I think we have potential for a solid roll partner for Lin (at least DMo can catch bounce passes). On the topic of roll partners for Lin, I'm kind of itching to see what will happen with TRob, and if this means TJones will never see any love...
GS was a perfect 5/5. Have I mentioned I really like GS?
Asik should definitely be in the conversation for MIP. Forget from last season to this one, his ability to finish has improved dramatically since last fall. He's legit.
It seems like they tried, but the refs were unsuccessful giving this one to the Nets. In addition to calling a shot clock violation when we were already on the breakaway, or the questionable offensive fouls (*maybe* I'll concede the charges, but the moving screens?!), check out Lopez with 1:40 left in the 4th, tell me his right toe is not on the line, and the ref is looking right at it! The fix is in.*
Rox are now 15-3 when shooting >.400 from 3. Maybe not so great to be first seed in the West this year? ;)
*I don't actually believe this. If, on the other hand, this trend continues and by some horrific circumstance we are faced in a winner take all 82nd game with the Lakers for the 8th seed...
I actually thought about that two days ago... I'm in San Diego, and bought the $3xx ticket. If that predicament happsne to come true.. I'll definitely be scalping these for 2-3x lol
Not gonna happen. Of all the lower-tier playoff contending teams in the west, Houston has the most upside because it's still improving as a team. The first half was inconsistent because of all the team and player adjustments that had to be made with the acquisition of Harden just before the season started, and because the team is so young.
You can see the growth game by game in individual players. Asik has improved tremendously as an offensive player from the beginning of the season to now. Those dunks we saw today we didn't see earlier in the season.
Lin's individual game has also improved, as he is learning to play without the ball.
LA has upside, too, but, not in terms of individual player growth, but, in terms of players learning to play with each other. But, they also have the same problem the knicks have - they're old.
Utah is Utah. They're gonna hover right around the 7-8 spot the rest of the season. If anything, it might be Utah and LA fighting it out for the last spot.
As for Portland, they could either move up in the standings, or plummet, depending on how well Lillard plays in the second half, and whether their lack of depth catches up to them. That's another strength of the Rockets - they have pretty good depth, especially if Delfino goes back to being the sixth man.
The team depth is mostly a Lin creation. He did it in NY and is doing it again with the Rox. You can't teach this intangible. Harden is a great scorer and he makes Lin a great facilitator. But we all see that it is true the other way around. Lin's penetration is not for "home runs" but to create chain reactions. He has such incredible spacial intelligence that he knows all the variables of each players movements in the split second to find the correct solution to the defense. Harden's first instinct is to score, to draw fouls, whereas Lin is looking to find the easy shot. This is an uncoachable trait, which is why D'Antoni was quoted "sometimes you just have to let them play". Mchale doesn't trust Lin so he only sees the chaos. It's part genius and part madness but it's rewards far outweighs the TOs. Lin builds his teammates up with easy touches. That confidence builds individual successes. We saw that last year with Novak. Last night was Delfino picking up the slack and the entire bench performed well. Lin makes the whole team better.
Was Parsons on DWill the entire night? There's this f.uckface on real gm who claims that Mchale didn't trust Lin on Dwill, so he put Parsons and Harden on him.
I thought Harden only guarded Dwill when Lin and Parsons were sitting or when they switched.
I don't recall seeing Harden on DWill, mostly Parsons, and maybe Delfino when Parsons was out? But, not Harden.
Why does putting Parson's on Dwill have to do with not trusting Lin? I thought it was a great move on McHale's part, because putting an athletic big guy on DWill really took him out of his game.
Plus, who was going to guard CJ Watson? That's probably the reason why Lin wasn't on Dwill - because CJ Watson has point guard skills and quickness, and out of the starting line-up, Lin was the best match-up against him.
Rockmanslim hates Lin from the get-go. He is not a Rockets nor Knicks fan, but he loves to troll Rockets and Knicks realgm when Lin has a bad game. He got banned on CF the same time that Kinein (and Kinein is not a troll, he is a Lin fanboy). He is a hater. I am almost certain he is a racist. I don't like to label people that until there is some sort of proof, but he got my attention a long time ago because of the stuff he wrote about Lin.
I don't miss going to Knicksrealgm anymore because too many Lin haters occupy there now.
Woodson's IQ is being exposed. He is very methodical and can't think outside the box. To me, he is very slow to process information, thus, he can't adjust during halftime or on the fly. He just aint' smart.
forgot to add. I thought he had a good game. He had an excellent first half, but the Nets made some adjustments in the second time to take him out of the game. But his impact was felt on the floor, but won't show on the stats sheet.
I'm a tortured Knicks fans and I've met some of the long time members, in real life so I still lurk there.
I've never seen this "rockmanretard" comment on the nyk board. How do you know that he got banned from CF?
I knew the Knicks were going to implode. I still wanted Lin on the Knicks but he wasn't going to put them over the hump and help them get a championship. The tyson/stat/melo combo is the reason why we're never going to get past the 2nd round (if that even happens).
McHale correctly put Parsons on DWill because his length also shut down DWill in the last game in HOU. DWill still hit some three but he never really involved other teammates like Lin did.
I think Harden was guarding Bogans?
Just ignore those trolls out there. The important thing is HOU won this game despite having Harden and Lin not at their best, still adjusting to the new players (DMo and Anderson). This is really impressive for HOU to win on the road and closed the game strong.
Delfino will get a big contract next year. This guy hit a big three 15 seconds after he checked in the game. Instant offense.
Another racist on that forum you want to avoid is quick kick. he is definitely a hater and a racist. I thought he should have gotten banned a long time ago for calling Lin a ch***, but the moocow, a mod and Lin hater didn't do that, but only give him warning.
Dmo AND TRob are both Lin type of players way more so than PPAT and Morris. They will make Lin look good, and Lin will make them look good. Kinda like the Novak effect....
Dmo will be like the Rox' Novak and Trob will be like the Rox's SHumpert. Not saying Dmo plays like Novak or TRob plays like Shumpert but I see Dmo converting Lin's passes and post up passes to up Lin's assist totals and Trob catching Lin's full court alley oops and weak side lobs for dunks....
I am impressed with what Morey has done with this roster in 12 months. Win or lose in the playoffs, their best years are ahead...
Now if only we could get a different coaching staff....
Alley oops aren't just flashy plays, but, a really effective play because it's so efficient and an easy play. It's amazing that the rockets has an awesome fastbreaking, uptempo team, yet, I can't really recall a single alley oop play this season.
Ok, just watched the game on league pass. I thought Lin played a sub-par game for him. Missed a ton of shots. Handling was just ok. He is better when he has no time and just jacks up 3 pointers instead of thinking about them.
I do like that he took more jumpers - he must be nailing them in practice and feeling confident. His passing was sensational at times - def highlight reel plays (a few turnovers from mishandled balls).
One of the things I was surprised with was that Lin was the primary ballhandler down the stretch and not Harden (Harden sets good picks by the way cause he pushes and pulls his guys). Great teamwork and I like Montie and am excited about Trob.
I really wasn't able to understand why Lin can control the ball at the end given McHale and Harden's record. Myabe they realized only Lin can make other 3 players better?
To clarify my last sentence, Lin's zero in 35 minutes and while handling the ball at a high usage rate means his impact on the game and his teammates was so significant, he still influenced the team positively when sitting out.
Sorry I am not good with words, but will try to explain to you as to best of my ability. The +/- has to do how the team and opponent scores. For example if Lin plays first 8 minutes in the first quarter and Rockets 25, Nets 20. Lin will get a +5 upon leaving for the bench. When he comes in the 2nd half and Rockets 50 Nets 48, and lets say he plays through the end of the second half and Rockets 75 Nets 60. His + will increase. For example if Beverley comes in with him and didn't even score anything and got zero assist, but Beverley will also earns +.
Next time when you watch the game against the Wizards, you might want to open NBA.com game page and watch the +/= moves up and down as each player sub in/out.
Sorry I am not good with words, but will try to explain to you as to best of my ability. The +/- has to do how the team and opponent scores. For example if Lin plays first 8 minutes in the first quarter and Rockets 25, Nets 20. Lin will get a +5 upon leaving for the bench. When he comes in the 2nd half and Rockets 50 Nets 48, and lets say he plays through the end of the second half and Rockets 75 Nets 60. His + will increase. For example if Beverley comes in with him and didn't even score anything and got zero assist, but Beverley will also earns +.
The first 8 minutes of the first quarter, Rockets was trailing Nets 23-19. Lin was -4 when he went to the bench. At the end of the first quarter, Rockets were up 34-31. Beverley got a +3 for the 4 minutes he was playing (while Lin was out).
Watching NBA TV and it's Steve Smith and Rick Fox. They both say positive things about Harden AND JLin, the outlook for the Houston Rockets, and their youth. Steve Smith says that Harden and JLin can both shoot, run the point, and handle the ball. Also says that McHale is doing a good job offensively. Rick Fox says, "... any questions about Jeremy Lin as a point guard running that team, along with Harden, out the window... "
At least giving props to JLin too regardless of this particular game.
Also, looking at stats Chris Paul had a pretty "bad" game yesterday against the Spurs. Nash too today against the Trailblazers. Yes, JLin has been somewhat inconsistent overall but more consistent recently. I wanted a big game in NY but I'll take the win as long as JLin plays and grows.
Did anyone notice or people already talk about how JLin did that move Harden sometimes does after making a 3 (the three fingers up but as if brushing the ground) in the OKC game, and I guess Harden had goggles, a la JLin, after his 3 tonight (didn't see the game)?
I saw really great team unity tonight. They seem to like each other. Harden looks to defer to Lin at times and has no problems with it. Maybe it is me looking for harmony, but I think Harden respects Lin a lot more now.
I am very excited about the trade. Patterson set the worst picks ever. Barely would set them and then move away. DMo is hungry and wants Lin to pass him the ball. His tweet on Valentines day said everything. Now if we can just get Asik to catch passes and dunk this team is a 2nd round team maybe even this year. Next year, watch out. Contender.
although there isn't any poster here been to Barclay Center to give real-time updates, the paragraph below paints the engrossed lin fans reaction, ooohhhaahhh:
#The crowd clearly noticed, though, when Lin had the ball. His first shot clanged off the rim, and the fans groaned. When he bounced a pass between a defender’s legs, they oohed. And when he made a hanging layup, they aahed.#
Kevin McHale won’t make the same proclamation about Lin. Not yet. The Houston coach calls his playmaker “a home run hitter,” and doesn’t mean that in a good way.
“Sometimes he’d rather have 29 points and nine turnovers and I tell him, ‘Jeremy, we’re trying to win,’ ” McHale said.
of all the comments made by mchale about lin, saying that lin'd rather have 29 points and 9 t/os and doesn't care about winning is the most disgusting comment that i can't put up with! mchale, you are such a mentally challenged moron who doesn't understand your pg. smh...
You know what Karama is doing to the Dolan now (for sending out his minions to assassinate Lin's character)? It's biting him in ass. McFridge you are next if you are not careful.
How's that true hen he takes 8shots a game? If I'm not wrong, you need to put the ball in the basket to get points. If he's going for home runs then he'd be taking 20 shots a game. Mayb he means that he's always trying to make the big play? Didn't really see any of that since half the season the handed the ball to harden at half court...
nydailynews have numerous times assassinated Lin's character. you remember frank asshola, mitch lawrence and the crew?
but we do need to get a clear clarification on this but please do it civilly without accusing McHale first. you know those Rockets beatwriters will shut you off when you attack McHale. please we need to do it civilly and get the best response because if McHale does said this we're going all out to get his ass fired!
I don't know if there is a vid. I just read the article. I would like a vid too because sometimes the media intentionally interprets things a certain way so I don't always trust it.
That being said, and my dislike for McHale based upon my observations, as well as assuming this is being truthfully reported, this confirms my belief that McHale does not trust in JLin's talents and abilities. What McHale says doesn't make sense. Even assuming JLin had 9 turnovers a game, if that meant other players did not have turnovers because JLin was handling the ball, I don't see how this would cause the team to lose. And isn't this what he let Harden do anyhow for a while? Rack up points and turnovers?
I wonder if it was indeed McHale who coached the Rockets last night. didn't he saw that Jeremy saw how lax Brooklyn's defense was and set up plays to score inside? without Jeremy on the floor all his guys are just relying on 3s.
even though McHale doesn't like Lin, he won't come out full force like that especially after a win. but we need to get clarification on this quotes: “Sometimes he’d rather have 29 points and nine turnovers and I tell him, ‘Jeremy, we’re trying to win,’ ” McHale said.
rarely does journalist post a fake quotes, they will try to twist on statements but to fake a quote is pretty serious.
Hi, first time poster here. I think you guys are overreacting to that quote. I don't like McHale either but I think his theory is it is hard to win with too many turnovers so he does not agree with Jeremy's style of play of high risk high reward.
It's not a fake quote, but what's likely is that McHale said a whole bunch of other stuff that may have been positive about Lin, but got left out of the article.
blue, that's my interpretation, too, but, if that's what he means, what exactly is Lin's style that is high risk?
He can't mean taking 3-pointers and jumpers, because they dont result in turnovers.
What he may mean is Lin driving to the basket then ending up with no place to go and getting stripped of the ball. If that's all he's talking about, then I agree, Lin needs to be smarter about when and when not to drive to the basket. So does Harden.
Yeah most likely they left out a lot of thing, but that particular quote “Sometimes he’d rather have 29 points and nine turnovers" on a same sentence?? It's really hard to give McHale the benefit of the doubt.
NYDN is a terrible source for news. I'm hoping and praying that quote from mchale was taken out of context.
But if Mchale meant it, then he's a moron. Lin puts WINNING above everything else. He'll sacrifice his stats and COMPLETELY adjust his game to mesh with his teammates. That's what he's been doing all season.
Also, when the hell has Lin ever gone 29 with 9 TO's?! I know Mchale's exaggerating but why make it seem like your PG is a selfish asshole that doesn't care about winning?!
ksmith, I give McHale the benefit of the doubt only because I'm never sure what the hell he means with his cryptic statements. McHale is the most in-articulate coach in the NBA right now, perhaps of all time.
If we really want some straight answers, the guy to interview is Sampson.
Roberlin, I think it is probably referring to the passing. McHale always says they should make the easy pass and maybe the 2nd or 3rd pass would lead to the open man instead of trying to make the home run pass. I remember D'Antoni also said before that Jeremy likes to go for the home run pass instead of the easy pass.
The 29 points may not be referring to Jeremy's own points more like the team would score more points.
blue, an a for effort, but your attempt to make McHale's statement sensible is futile.
Everything you said makes sense, except the last part about the 29 points referring to "team points." I've never heard of "team points" in reference to turnovers.
But, to the point about homerun passing, would he consider his bounce pass to D-Mo as a homerun pass? Is that why he didn't play them together in the second half, to prevent homerun passing by Jeremy?
Or, how about those two full court football passes to D-Mo? One resulted in a TO, one resulted in an easy basket. But, usually, his percentage is pretty high.
And, those passes to D-Mo, if we consider them "home-run," i.e., risky, difficult passes, came in the second quarter, when Lin and D-Mo shredded the Nets defense, and basically put the ROckets in control of the game.
If Lin didn't hit his homeruns in the second quarter, the team likely loses the game.
I'll take any negative news about Jeremy Lin with a pinch of salt including tweets. Even with video evidence, unless one can really know that there was no editing/manipulation. I don't know if it's the case in Asia but in the UK, any adverts (only seen it for beauty) that involve manipulation have to be noted eg mascara where fake eyelash is used. The media likes to twist and sensationalise any innocent remark (Scott Machado) including photographs (eg Adele & Chris Brown).
Jason C Friedman tweets for the Rockets. Right from the get go when he was RocketsJCF, I find that he is not impartial like Howard Beck when it comes to reporting/tweeting including his old video chat(?). Of course, I do expect there to be some slight bias..but I'd rather stick to Jonathan Feigen articles/tweets even though he doesn't tweet much.
I keep writing that McHale is a motion offense coach that has no clue how defenses adjust to Jeremy Lin.
The pattern is this:
1) Lin is trapped hard early in the game, but he adjusts by beating the double and triple teams via probing dribbles that McHale thinks are breaking the flowing motion offense.
2) Lin is allowed to run wild early in the game, and he does his Magic Johnson thing that teams adjust to at halftime. Then McHale gets pissed because he doesn't understand why Jeremy Lin can't make the same easy plays he made in the first half.
I keep writing that McHale does not understand how NBA defenses not only load up on Lin, they also shift tactics.
Roberlin, haha, I have to confess I don't have much basketball knowledge, I only began to watch basketball during Linsanity so I don't know. That bounce pass to D-Mo sure is a beautiful pass. But basically the point is I think McHale is not saying that Jeremy values his stat above winning, it's just that he and Jeremy have different approach on how to win and he wants Jeremy to do it his way, whatever that is.
blue, McHale wants Lin to make very simple passes and take easy shots.
What McHale doesn't realize is that opponents specifically trap Lin with special defenses that Lin has to probe and fake out simply to get into position to make those simple plays!
To McHale, Lin plays like a selfish ballhog because McHale doesn't realize that the traps take away Lin's simple plays and force Lin to make spectacular plays!
KHuang, I agree that's what McHale wants Jeremy to do but I don't understand how come McHale/coaching staff can't see that. Isn't it the coaching staff's job to recognize that?
McHale sees Harden and Parsons waltzing into the lane guarded by only one guy, and those guys usually can score or put up a good shot.
McHale sees Lin drawing 2 or 3 defenders and he gets angry because he thinks Lin is deliberately plowing into traps instead of making simple shots or passes.
Lin WANTS to make those simple bailout passes or easy shots, but he cannot because opponents shut off all the passing and driving lanes. So Lin will:
1) dribble around a two or three man front, thus picking the defenders off each other
2) dribble right into the heart of the defense, which opens up passing lanes to teammates or freeze the defense so that he can take his deadly midrange shots
3) hesitate briefly with the ball to draw defenders toward him, then explode toward the rim as the defenders are retreating.
The defensive traps targeting Lin are actually wxecuted by all 5 defenders on the court. When Lin passes off to Harden, Harden easily gets by his man who's often flatfooted watching Lin. Harden will blow by additional defenders that are Lin watching and who don't even bother to contest Harden's shots. McHale sees this and thinks Harden is some sort of unstoppable superstar, so he wants more Harden!
Yet a funny thing happens every game. When opponent traps shut down Lin and McHale pulls Lin for not being able to beat the traps, the Rockets start losing. Then McHale is forced to put Lin back in, and Lin goes rogue and beats opponents by himself. So McHale is put into a quandary over having Lin "break" his offense but having to play Lin to win.
This is why I wish I could sit down with McHale and point this all out on video. I actually think I could convince McHale that Lin's actually playing McHale's system to UTTER PERFECTION!
I get what you are saying KHuang, but it makes no sense to me that he would publicly berate Lin over and over. I understand the whole "Lin needs tougher love because he is double triple teamed all the time"
But how does that explain Parsons/Harden/Delfino giving up 4,5,6 TOs while not get defended NEARLY as much as Lin, yet Lin is averaging much lower TOs this season, and STILL gets mad chewed out in public?
Its garbage, McHale doesn't like eating crow, and it shows. Lin doesn't fit his mold, and it shows. Heck he doesn't like PGs dominating his game, his system, and his attitude towards Lin and past PGs, SHOWS.
Yup, this is exactly the sort of disgusting quote that pisses me off. You will have lots of TOs if you have high production. Harden has tons of TOs. McHale overrates TOs, also. And, Lin's TOs this year are far less on unproductive dribbling errors, but McHale seems to refuse to acknowledge the improvement. Aggressive passing is something you WANT in a PG but McHale tries to discourage it. He truly is an idiot.
Morey knows Lin's TOs are not a problem, but Morey doesn't tell McHale what to do.
I would love to be a reporter and make McHale justify his criticisms in the face of overwhelming data contradicting his contentions. When Lin was only caring about his own stats and not winning last year, what was New York doing that they hadn't done before? Oh, yeah, WINNING. How do you explain that, McHale?
McHale, by his words, appears to be the apotheosis of an ignorant, Lin-hating forum poster during Linsanity. No amount of production by Lin is useful or important. No amount of winning is important. McHale is the ultimate box score watcher, but the box score can only hurt Lin, not vindicate him.
The ONLY stat that matters to McHale with regard to Lin is TOs. If Lin had 45 points, but 5 TOs, McHale would say that Lin had a bad game. And if Lin had 45 points and 0 TOs, this wouldn't be a good game, just, "Well, at least he didn't hurt us."
A generous view would be that McHale knows he's exaggerating, but that's what he needs to do to improve the sloppiness in Lin's game and make him a better player. I think this gives McHale too much credit, and it also assumes that:
1. TOs are really that big of a problem. 2. This is the best or only method to improve the problem. 3. Exaggerating the negative value has no effect on other parts of the game and doesn't reduce winning.
None of those 3 are true. When McHale makes Lin second guess his behavior during games and reduces his aggressiveness, he actively costs games.
Moreover, the disrespect isn't limited to TOs. Even though Lin is an elite defender by every advanced stat, they used to take Lin out of games at crucial times in the 4th quarter, e.g., the first Portland game they lost. McHale (and his staff) simply don't think Lin is very good and they want to minimize his role if they can possibly help it. Luckily, they can't possibly help it more and more.
I find it hard to believe that McHell made that 29 pt 9 TO quote considering I think it's common knowledge that his ass is on the line.
Now, if he was talking to a confidant off the record, then, yes, I think this is exactly the type of talk he's making. He is not dumb enough to leak it to the press though.
I don't think that comment was after this game. you know the ny media loves to stir things up to bring jeremy down. I wouldn't worry about it. the way mchale played jeremy today in the 4th I was really happy. jeremy got the ball almost every trip down and he took a bunch of shots. it looked like he had the green light for the first time in a long time on the rockets (maybe ever).
here's some nice comments by harden on lin. http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/delfino-divine-rockets-cut-down-nets-once-again
Yeah, the New York Daily News is like the National Enquirer. They are trying to cause controversy. Mitch Lawrence is a complete joke and anyone who writes for them is basically the same. McHale showed lots of confidence in Lin down the stretch.
They probably pieced together quotes from months apart.
Yes, Lin is a home run hitter. And he can hit them consistently and beautifully.
Good to know. Not familiar with New York publications per se other than NY Times.
The writer isn't Mitch Lawrence. I'm assuming the writer covers the Nets? Anyhow, since I missed the game, I'm glad to hear that about the 4th quarter.
I'm not sweating it. NY Daily News writers are trolls. They were the ones that got Scott Machado saying he was not a Lin fan. Machado and Lin were friends actually.
They are also the ones that tried to suggest Lin's benching as a NY Knick. They are sensationalist journalists who before auto-correct were probably spelling every other word incorrectly.
I'm not a NYCer (though I was born in NYC), but yeah, I've read extensively about Lin and at some point NY Daily News jumped off the bandwagon and realized the only way they could sell papers was to play a Stephen A Smith role of Lin antagonist. So yeah, they are trolls that you just knock off the bridge.
I was trying to find another source but couldnt find any. It is possible that NYdailyNews simply misquoted McHale. Remember how much crap they used to print about JLin last year? Many here were convinced that Gotham City media was trying to ruin Lins image (at least some of them). Maybe they are still trying to...
Don't forget that the editor could also have a hand in it since they have the final say. I've never read/heard of Bondy prior to this so can't comment if he is pro Lin,impartial or bias. He might have written a decent article but once out of his hands, the editor have the final say..
It's great that with the rise in Internet Revolution, there's an increase in independent and honest reporting...including Jeremy Lin fansites :) The public will no longer be brainwashed and will be able to discern the media's propaganda eg CNN/Fox/DailyMail and politicians too.
Just hope that the UK wouldn't pass the bill to have Black Boxes to monitor internet/phone usage. George Orwell's novel 1984 is coming true. Big Brother is watching you.
@alcsd, Yeah, I may get myself into trouble by throwing stuff at the coaches so I googled and found THIS. It seems it’s ok to throw stuff at fans but maybe not the coaches? Anyway, I hope we can get a clearer picture of the exact quote made by McHale before I hastily do something that lead to unnecessary trouble. With the trade of TD, Morris, Cole Aldridge and 2Pat completed 2days ago, I sorta understand(though not in agreement) McHale weird sub pattern among Jeremy, TD and other players, maybe he did it with the intention of showcasing TD and also grooming/uncover point guard from his teammates. I will at least for now give McHale the benefit of the doubt.
actions speak louder than words. I don't know what the full quote from mchale or the context and I don't really care as long as he continues to play jeremy like he did in the 4th quarter of this close game tonight.
i sat behind the bench! i am really impressed by the team chemistry. you can strongly feel that they play as a group not individual. they cheer for each other's good play. we all know that kung fu pregame hand check thing for starters. do you know that their bench will follow it doing the row dancing cheering thing? it's really cute to see it. i can understand why Jeremy feels like playing in college. because they are! they are young, energizing, passion, and enthusiasm for the game. that's why their game is fun to watch! shout out to PB. this guy has lots energy not only on the court but also on the bench. there are many times he and Jeremy share some body touch cheering (more like in a buddy buddy way ) I like his unique high energy character to backup Jeremy. And i start to rethink my opinion on mchale's coaching. maybe its good for Jeremy to have an old school coach during his development. look at the big head problem among current superstar drive league,there are many young players with attitude problem and lack of mental toughness when facing struggles because they get famous and money too easily. (woodson holds every players accountable but melo because he doesn't want to lose his job , let's wait and see how worse knicks can be after) so i think mchale is tough on Jeremy because like he says Jeremy is their pg who generates their offense. I did see there were couple times that Mchale walked toward Jeremy's seat giving advises. (only to him) rockets' future is bright. i think morey does a great job not only gather a group of talents but also a group of good kids! (if you've already knew t-rob's story and his relationship with morris twins) He deserves gm of the year! btw, you can tell Jeremy not happy with his performance to9 when he on the bench. he always too strict on him self. fans may sometimes think he's mad because he talked to the coach without eye contact IMO.
I wouldn't mind McHale been tough on Jeremy so much if that's how he is with all the players but that doesn't seem to be the case. I remember when I went to their last home game against the Lakers, one time after Jeremy committed a TO, McHale was totally furious, he stood up and angrily swatted his arm to signal to Jeremy to come out of the game. I didn't see him have such an angry reaction to other player's TO.
blue, McHale is hard on Lin because none of the other players are appearing to ram themselves against double and triple teams the way Lin is.
When Lin turns the ball over because the traps overwhelm him because teammates have not gone to open spots, McHale blames Lin even though lin had no one to pass to or the player couldn't (or in the case of the two departed forwards, WOULDN't catch passes).
If I sat down with McHale with video, I'd be like "See those defenders closing in on Lin? Now that nobody is open, where do you expect Lin to go and do?"
Here's a positive quote about Lin, although he doesn't mention him by name, but by his position.
PJ Carlisemo quote about the Rockets offense, complimenting the team's one, two, and three; i..e, Jeremy Lin, Harden, and Delfino(?):
“Their offense if just beautifully conceived and they have a one, two and three that can all bring it up. They can all run pick and rolls, they can all shoot the ball from deep also. They can all put a lot of pressure on you at the one, two and three spot defensively. They’re a very good offensive team. We defended them a lot better tonight than we did in Houston and they still got 106 points.”
NYC FANS MISS JEREMY HARDER ESP ON SUCH A NIGHT KNICKS LOSE TO LANDRY FIELD'S RAPTOR! AMAZING!
a fan from knicks' forum~ "dogrufus February 21, 2013 at 5:25 pm Welp, this is the kind of game that really makes me feel sore that everyone circled the wagons and rallied behind Dolan when we gave away Lin to the Rockets for nothing so we could sign the worst guard rotation in the NBA.
We’re a .500 team going forward, the start was fool’s gold. Every single player we have is trending downard off a cliff. Look at Melo’s monthly splits. Kidd falling into an abyss was pretty much the most predictable outcome possible of signing a 39 year old vet who hasn’t been good in years to a long-term guaranteed deal.
Lin is better than any PG we will be able to get in the next 3 years and we let him go for literally NOTHING.
It’s really incredible how one smart guy in Houston can just run circles around the entire league over and over and over. Shouldn’t be surprising when most teams are owned by trust fund morons like Dolan.
This is a 45 win team, and only because we had a lucky hot start. We have literally 0% chance of beating CHI or IND in the playoffs. We simply don’t score vs. great defenses unless they allow us to. Doubt we can beat the Bucks either, since we give Redick 12 wide open threes a game.
Get ready to watch three to five (maybe if we play the Nets) disappointing playoff games to conclude the season."
and it's amazing thing can turn around that fast, all the sudden knicks fans start to rethink D'antoni's reputation because knicks is not playing d under Woodson now. They are thinking maybe the problem is not on D'antoni nor Woodson! ->>>Melo ego? unbelievable! you can tell that even Jeremy didn't really have a good game to9, NY medias still give him lots praises than writting down him.
Knicks fans are simply fickle and flip flop like no other.
I don't feel they genuinely rate Lin that highly. Next time when the Knicks play well again, they would say letting Lin go is the best decision ever.
Actually, Knicks fans simply had too high of expectation for their team. What did they exactly expect last year's 7th seed with adding a few old guys? Currently sitting at 3rd in the East and a possible 2nd round exit is already pretty good for a franchise who only won one single playoffs game in the last 10 years.
Also, let us (Lin and Rockets fans) not get too happy and excited until we have a better record than the Knicks and go further than them in playoffs and Lin consistently post significant better stats than Felton. Lin can only get the last laugh this way.
yup, I really want Lin to get the last laugh against the Knicks after what they did to him. Only then will justice be served. I am a Lin fan haha but guys in my family were long time Knicks fans (no more!) and Lin's departure was painful for all of us. While i understand it was all business at the end of day, that was just some shady business in NY. I also think many NY fans miss him too, even more so i am sure down the stretch.
And yes - I and many here in NY find guilty pleasure (or not so guilty lol) watching the Knicks impode. I also want Lin to shine but most importantly, to stay healthy and continue to learn and grow while not forgetting to have fun!
I also know the daily news have been bashing him whenever they have a chance after he left NY, so i really hope the coaches' comment was either taken out of context or bad journalism.
NEW YORK -- Jeremy Lin had just made his 82nd NBA start, marking his first full season as a first-stringer, when asked what he had proven between the mind-bending Linsanity of Madison Square Garden last winter and the relative serenity of the Barclays Center on Friday night.
"I think I've proven I'm a young player who has talent and yet has a long way to go," Lin told ESPNNewYork.com as he headed to see family and friends after Houston's 106-96 victory over the Nets. "That's the way I see myself. I've shown I can do some stuff. I've shown flashes of being a great player. But I've also shown the reverse as well, so it just takes some time."
In November, before his first meeting with the Knicks in Houston, Lin had told ESPNNewYork.com he believes he'll be an All-Star "at some point, for sure." He didn't repeat that claim after struggling against the Nets, who fielded not one, but two point guards who outplayed him, in Deron Williams and C.J. Watson.
But after finishing with nine points, six assists, and five turnovers two nights after he went for 29 points, eight assists, and six rebounds against Oklahoma City, Lin wasn't making any dramatic concessions, either.
"It might not be 29 points every night," he said, "but I just need to be more consistent.
"I think I've had to grow in terms of being a different player off the ball obviously, and learning to be effective every single night of an NBA game. Tonight I didn't really play my best game at all, but I learned a lot."
Lin's first trip to Brooklyn didn't match up to his last trip to the Garden, where he beat the Knicks in December with 22 points and nine assists. But he was cheered loudly on introduction and again when he made a few breathless passes that led to uncontested dunks.
Linsanity was born on the Nets' watch last year, when the undrafted, thrice-fired guard from Harvard came off Mike D'Antoni's bench and out of left field to play a big game at Williams' expense. Almost overnight, Lin became one of the world's most popular athletes, a truth that didn't stop the Knicks from refusing to match Houston's $25 million offer to the restricted free agent in July.
The Rockets made a deal for James Harden before the start of the season, and, suddenly, Lin -- who struggled early after offseason knee surgery -- wasn't the primary scoring option in their backcourt anymore. "It's a different system, and I'm in a different role," he said in comparing this season's Rockets to last season's Knicks. "I'm playing alongside a huge, elite playmaker in James Harden and learning to mesh with him. We're getting there, and I'm really happy with where we're at right now."
Houston is sitting in the eighth position in the Western Conference playoff race at 31-26, and Lin is averaging nearly 13 points and more than six assists per game. Asked what his backcourt partner has brought to the Rockets, Harden said, "Talent, which is what we need. He's doing a good job of leading, definitely by example … He's making shots, making plays. He's doing everything."
But he's not following his old team. Told the Knicks had lost in Toronto on Friday night for their 15th defeat in 29 games, Lin said, "I literally haven't seen them play one time since I played them and we were scouting them.
"I haven't been able to catch them, but they're talented -- a really talented team. I think they'll figure it out."
Lin showing some pompous eh. The next thing Lin needs is smack it up and talk some shit. Good thing Lin is honest about needing to be more consistent, that will keep him grounded. If Lin acted like the way you all here talk, he's in for some real hurting, ROFLMAO. ClutchFan's is the real deal, too much nuthugging here!!!
then get the hell outta here. you Lin haters don't have any life but troll even a Lin fan site. got no life, eh? shove your ClutchFans deep down your throat.
I find it amusing to read (at least from time to time) comments from ClutchFans like @Geronimo. These are truly psychologically impaired individuals. It's good they have an outlet like CF. Perusing the CF site is like getting an jnside view of an insane asylum. Humorous and scary at the same time. Looking forward to their next posting.
I don't go there. most of us don't.why go in an ugly place with ugly personalities.you, on the other hand.. you sound really demented. JLinfan, kick this PoS sorry behind outta here.
I am excited about your presence here. You do have valid points.
I would happily call myself a Jeremy Lin "nuthugger", geronimo. However, I like Lin for real basketball reasons and not just because he is Asian. If you'd like, I can explain those reasons to you in an honorable and courteous way. To me, Jeremy Lin is THE GREAT GUARD of this generation as far as winning games goes.
I bid you welcome to this site, It doesn't matter to me where you came from, I'll stand by you if you get trolled. Here on this site, trolls get retaliated against. I've never read a word of clutchfans in my life and have no bias against the site whatsoever. So please keep posting here.
You can post honestly at me. No matter what you say, I'm going to hear you out first even if I disagree. And I am not going to get personal with you if we do disagree, not unless we go at each other personally.
But you don't need to be courteous, @geronimo? Instead of insulting a whole community of people and pointlessly and provocatively comparing it to ClutchFans, why don't you bring up the specific points anyone has made that you disagree with?
We think Lin will be an All-Star. Lin thinks he'll be an All-Star, too. Do you disagree?
@geronimo Well, it ("show some courtesy") works both ways. I was and still am on the CFans site. I usually has no problem with most of fans there, except there is a thread called "Jeremy Lin is a joke". Anyway, you are welcome to express your basketball opinion here especially regarding to Lin. At the end, this is Lin's fan site.
I like Lin. I like his improved shooting and overall game. He clearly can play and has some upside. That's about it. Oh, and being consistent, like he said in the article. I'd like Lin to mean mug and talk smack to DWill, CP3, Rondo, Curry, and all of them point guards. I'd like to see Lin cuss them out and shove them around once in a while.
I always wondered why Clutchfans was denigrated so much on this site. I don't recall seeing much negativity toward Jeremy over there, although it is a very big site so maybe I just haven't seen it. But quite a bit of it seems complimentary towards Jeremy. I get it that we are all passionate about basketball and I am a super Lintendo fan. But I think Jeremy would want it that his fans follow his example of being a classy and good guy. To Linfinity and beyond!
I'll be clear. His upside is stardom. Want a sample of the reasons?
I find it highly improbable that the person who broke the NBA first 5 start scoring record won't be a star. I find it highly improbable that the player who combine tested with a faster first step than Kyrie Irving, John Wall, and Derrick Rose won't parlay that into stardom. I find it improbable that the person with the fastest acceleration that Houston's ever measured won't be a star, particularly when that speed comes in a big, young 6'3", 200 lb frame. I find it hard to believe that a player whose first 82 start per minute averages compare very favorably to any of the elite PGs first seasons won't be a star. I find it hard to believe that the starting PG with the 3rd highest steals-blocks-charges taken/40, in only his first 82 starts, won't be a star. I find it hard to believe that a player in his second season being in the top 20 in the NBA in defensive RAPM won't be a star. I find it hard to believe that someone with elite athleticism and a famous work ethic and famous competitiveness and famous IQ won't turn all those gifts into being a star.
But we'll see who's right over the next couple of years, you or us. :)
plus , for me , i firmly believe , Jeremy Lin is a Man of Destiny. He was simply born to do the things that he's doing at such an opportune time like this.
In some ways, Jeremy is the Jackie Robinson of basketball, at least for Asians, underdogs and Ivy League grads. He will go down in history. He has a lot on gis shoulders if you think about it.
@Tuan Vu Taking out the pure haters of Lin (very small portion and not worth our time for discussion). Majority of CFans are thinking them selves as Rockets fans. That means Lin are just an average or below average player to them. I do not think there are ppl hate Lin personally there tho.
However, on this site, ppl are in majority Lin's fan, either because of bball reasons or his amazing story. Positional differences seperate us from Cfans.
"We're trying to win the game and you're messing things up." Huh? What kind of coach says that that to his own player? We can only imagine the verbal abuse Lin has undergone at the hands of this struggling alcoholic.
Motion offense coaches usually say such things to the superstars that win games for them.
Motion coaches hate it when a single superstar goes rogue and bricks shots against double teams or plows into a horde of defenders while turning the ball over.
What motion coaches don't understand is that at the NBA level, defenders are so good that they can stop any kind of motion offense that capitalizes on opponent mistakes. In the NBA, defenders simply don't make many mistakes.
When defenses shut down motion offenses, superstar individual talent can bust through the traps and create plays for others. That usually leads to motion coaches like Phil Jackson clashing with their superstar players like Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant.
Watching some Thomas Robinson on league pass. Wow. He is so athletic and smooth for his size. He just walks around out there with grace. He has ball skills. He is the most athletic big man we have now, by far. He works hard and plays defense.
He's only 21. With coaching, he's going to be hugely valuable for this team. He has All-Star potential and crucial starter on contender floor.
I can't believe what a strong position Houston is in now. Their whole starting unit can just grow together into a contender. They don't even have to use that max cap space! They probably will, but they don't have to. The entire starting line-up is made of young, efficient, high IQ winners.
I see TR has the potential to take GS's minutes away. GS can only catch and dunk but doesn't have agility to go above the rim on ally hoop passes and is horrible on D.
TR looks to be an upgrade on offense over GS. If he can provide solid D, GS can go back to D league.
*GS is my fave big man on Houston but he's the most expendable at the moment with TR coming over.
There is really bromance going on...after jeremy got a T harden followed..guess who is next to get one????
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DeleteWith 1000 McChickens ...
DeleteJeremy is so funny. from now on, all the NBA fines will be calculated in McChickens :-)
DeleteI wonder what NBA will do with those fines, if only they can use them to buy McChickens or something to feed the hungry, that will be great.
DeleteCome to think of it, why isn't the LAC player who kicked JLin on the stomach fined or suspended for a few games yet? I think he should be fined at least 20,000 McChickens .
that is a great idea, I am sure Lin will not be angry in the future for this kind of foul and fine.
Delete@HY - Jeremy's McChickens went to CHARITY, only the NBA doesn't disclose what charity
DeleteMaybe PETA? For better treatment of farm animals - like chickens?
DeleteDo people really think Lin had a bad game? He wasn't at Linsanity level, but I thought he did more good than bad. I can't believe people at clutch r saying he played horrible. Do half of people even have the chance to watch the games?
ReplyDeletePeople probably say he had a terrible game bec he didnt produce a lot of points.but his assists to the second team contributed a lot especially in the first half.i dont think DMo would have gotten his points if not for jeremy, i'd say thecsame thing to smith.
Deleteit's not a great offensive game tonite. lin is inconsistent, but he's getting better though.
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DeleteI wanted DMo to play more today, but he needs to move his feet and not camp in the block too long. There were a time or two he could have been called for defensive 3 seconds. He also used his behind to screen which could have been a foul too. If DMo wants to continue to play, he need not make these kinds of mistakes. Fortunately, he got off the hook today. I'm still high on him though.
Deletesolidz, see my lengthy post below. As for clutchfans bashing Lin, they just reflect the mainstream media perspective on Lin.
DeleteIf you look at the stats, it would like like DWill completely outplayed Lin; but, it was exactly the opposite. I was shocked at the end of the game when they showed that Dwill had 11 assists to Lin's 6. Whhaaaaaaat? I thought the Rockets pretty much controlled DWill, Parsons did a nice job defending him, and Dwill's assists were of the invisible kind, apparently, because he wasn't much of a playmaker tonight. CJ Watson played better than Dwill.
paca, i wouldn't call Lin's game tonight as proof of his "inconsistent" play this season. He's been very consistent with his shooting the last 10 game until tonight, which is really the main thing you can label as an inconsistent part of Lin's game.
Deletewho care about clutch forum? it's a group-think forum that, like most of the mainstream, views Lin as a mediocre NBA player that is overhyped.
DeleteNot just clutch but the announcers (worrell) as well as people here. Okay, Lin had a horrible shooting night but he played a great team ball with unbelievable assists that will surely get better as he gets more familiar with his new big men. I don't think this is a sign that he is inconsistent. Just off night shooting in the second half. Perhaps McHale killed lin's mojo at the half yet again?
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ReplyDeleteThe Rockets have a very easy schedule for like the next 12 games. Should be interesting. They have an opportunity to draw a lot of attention to themselves and put Harden on track for an MVP. If they were to go on a long winning streak, they'd have an outside shot at winning 50 games.
ReplyDeleteIf they were to finish with a better record than New York? Let's just say I'd be very pleased.
DeleteYeah, I expect the Roxs to lose at most 2 games in the next 12 game stretch. And the final 13 games, they can lose at most 9 games. The final tally is a 45-37 record, good enough to make the playoffs hopefully. Harden MVP would be nice.
DeleteThe Knicks are imploding. I'll be very pleased if they finished eighth or not even make it at all. The possibility is high as the Knicks still have an upward battle ahead with tough teams.
DeleteRocks are win less this season playing against Dallas, Clips, San Antonio, and Indiana next month.. I'm hoping they'll win at least 10 out of the 14.
DeleteI think we need to hit 45 wins to get into the play-off.
Deletesomeone was asking for JLin tumblr link, here it is:
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I didn't come here until the game was over and I just read through the second half posts. And wow, my perception of Lin's game is soooooooo different from most of yours'.
ReplyDeleteI thought Lin had an awesome game, and he was the difference maker for the Rockets, and would award him team mvp for the game.
Yes, clearly, both he and Harden had tired legs from the OKC game, that's to be expected. And it was Lin that basically carried the team through three quarters before Harden took over late with some big shots at the end. In fact, the lead would have been bigger if Harden played less in the first half because he wasn't getting calls on his patented drives to the basket, and just ended turning over the ball.
He tore the Nets defense to shreds with his play-making in the second quarter, and he and D-Mo had it going ON. WOW. Being up by 8 against the Nets is like being up 14 or 15, because the Nets don't have the offense to easily overcome such deficits. And they didn't.
The nice play by the bench was also set up by Lin's play in the first half. In the halftime interview, a Nets coach said they had to really fix the pnr defense in the second half; i.e., they had to do something to shut down Lin. And whatever they did seem to work. But, bench did well because they changed the pace of the game in a way that the Nets couldn't quickly adjust to after being so focused on shutting down Lin.
And again, McIKeepOnDoingStupidThings nearly kept in the bench and Beverly too long in the fourth. He put in all the starters except Lin around the 8 minute mark when the bench was losing steam. But, he left in sparkplug beverly, thinking bev with Harden would stabilize the game. Nope. Nets score one or two more baskets and thankfully, McHale had Lin up at the scorer's table.
So, even though it got a little tight near the end, I never thought the win was in jeopardy, especially when you have someone like Harden who can play like complete crap the entire game, then for a few minutes in crunch time, be more focused and hit some dagger threes.
And his numbers don't really tell how dominating he was, especially in the first half. I was shocked to see he only had 6 assists; it seemed like he was involved in almost every scoring play in the second quarter.
The one big beef with McHellish's coaching - in the second half, either Lin and D-Mo didn't play at all together, or didn't play much together. Those two clearly played well together in the first half; so, wouldn't a reasonably intelligent coach make sure they play together in the second half?
So, it's weird how I saw a different game than most of everyone in the world, including posters here.
The way I think about it, it's like a good pitcher who doesn't have his best stuff who still goes 8 innings, gives up hits and some runs, but is in total command the entire game.
I did not see this game, Roberlin.
DeleteHowever, what you described is consistent with what I've been seeing from Lin all season long.
Lin gets on these fantastic playmaking runs where he's not making any individual boxscore impact but is just HAMMERING opponents.
Lin will dribble in and collapse a defense for a wide open shot, chase after an open man to force a bad shot, push the ball upcourt and make a pass that leads to another pass for a fast break layup, then poke a ball away that leads to a steal - and the lead has gone from 5 to like 15 in that stretch! The boxscore says nothing, but Lin is all over the place WINNING THE GAME.
From what you wrote, RoberLin, it seems that Lin went on one of those turbo rampages in the 2nd quarter where he becomes invincible after a power up.
And of course, Lin is as good a 4th quarter player as there is in the NBA. He gets subbed back in to prevent the Rockets from collapsing after Beverley has played his reserve minutes.
Jeremy Lin is scary when he goes on those one man rampages. There is little anybody can do to impede him once the gamma radiation kicks in and it's Lincredible Hulk Smash time!
Roberlin, I thought lin had a great game too and I like your post. I was confident like you because lin had been steady with his last 6-9 min closeouts. He hit the j for two then harden abd I think delfino to ice the gsme. Plus nba highlight dimes and a good friday night.
DeleteWell, to be more accurate, it was a two-man wrecking crew in the second. Lin couldn't have done it without D'Mo tonight. No way Asik catches that freakin' AWESOME bounce pass to DMo for the fastbreak lay-up. Lin also had a few really nice passes to Smith.
DeleteWhat tonight's game really showed is that Lin's inconsistency this season (so called) can be attributed to some extent to the lack of an athletic, sure-handed big man who can also run the floor. He had Tyson Chandler in NY, and this year, he had . . . Asik. You replace Asik with Chandler, and Lin's numbers look totally different this year.
I am really anxious to see this TRobinson guy play. If he's all that the scouting reports say he is, he is going to be a huge asset to the team and to Lin. Robinson could be this year's Steve Novak, a nobody turned into a huge offensive asset because of Lin.
Except Robinson would bring an inside presence that this team really needs if it wants to make the playoffs and go as deep as possible. He could be a difference maker in a game when the team isn't making three-pointers.
I miss Eric Musselman.
DeleteWe having fun yet?
ReplyDeleteLin had some beautiful dimes tonight. Hard to pick out a favorite (for me, either the zip pass or the bounce between Lopez' legs). DMo still looks like he's adjusting to the pace, but I think we have potential for a solid roll partner for Lin (at least DMo can catch bounce passes). On the topic of roll partners for Lin, I'm kind of itching to see what will happen with TRob, and if this means TJones will never see any love...
GS was a perfect 5/5. Have I mentioned I really like GS?
Asik should definitely be in the conversation for MIP. Forget from last season to this one, his ability to finish has improved dramatically since last fall. He's legit.
It seems like they tried, but the refs were unsuccessful giving this one to the Nets. In addition to calling a shot clock violation when we were already on the breakaway, or the questionable offensive fouls (*maybe* I'll concede the charges, but the moving screens?!), check out Lopez with 1:40 left in the 4th, tell me his right toe is not on the line, and the ref is looking right at it! The fix is in.*
Rox are now 15-3 when shooting >.400 from 3. Maybe not so great to be first seed in the West this year? ;)
*I don't actually believe this. If, on the other hand, this trend continues and by some horrific circumstance we are faced in a winner take all 82nd game with the Lakers for the 8th seed...
I actually thought about that two days ago... I'm in San Diego, and bought the $3xx ticket. If that predicament happsne to come true.. I'll definitely be scalping these for 2-3x lol
DeleteLopez had a great gsme ... even better, he took a lin nutmeg for the ages :-)
DeleteNot gonna happen. Of all the lower-tier playoff contending teams in the west, Houston has the most upside because it's still improving as a team. The first half was inconsistent because of all the team and player adjustments that had to be made with the acquisition of Harden just before the season started, and because the team is so young.
DeleteYou can see the growth game by game in individual players. Asik has improved tremendously as an offensive player from the beginning of the season to now. Those dunks we saw today we didn't see earlier in the season.
Lin's individual game has also improved, as he is learning to play without the ball.
LA has upside, too, but, not in terms of individual player growth, but, in terms of players learning to play with each other. But, they also have the same problem the knicks have - they're old.
Utah is Utah. They're gonna hover right around the 7-8 spot the rest of the season. If anything, it might be Utah and LA fighting it out for the last spot.
As for Portland, they could either move up in the standings, or plummet, depending on how well Lillard plays in the second half, and whether their lack of depth catches up to them. That's another strength of the Rockets - they have pretty good depth, especially if Delfino goes back to being the sixth man.
The team depth is mostly a Lin creation. He did it in NY and is doing it again with the Rox. You can't teach this intangible. Harden is a great scorer and he makes Lin a great facilitator. But we all see that it is true the other way around. Lin's penetration is not for "home runs" but to create chain reactions. He has such incredible spacial intelligence that he knows all the variables of each players movements in the split second to find the correct solution to the defense. Harden's first instinct is to score, to draw fouls, whereas Lin is looking to find the easy shot. This is an uncoachable trait, which is why D'Antoni was quoted "sometimes you just have to let them play". Mchale doesn't trust Lin so he only sees the chaos. It's part genius and part madness but it's rewards far outweighs the TOs. Lin builds his teammates up with easy touches. That confidence builds individual successes. We saw that last year with Novak. Last night was Delfino picking up the slack and the entire bench performed well. Lin makes the whole team better.
DeleteWas Parsons on DWill the entire night? There's this f.uckface on real gm who claims that Mchale didn't trust Lin on Dwill, so he put Parsons and Harden on him.
ReplyDeleteI thought Harden only guarded Dwill when Lin and Parsons were sitting or when they switched.
I don't recall seeing Harden on DWill, mostly Parsons, and maybe Delfino when Parsons was out? But, not Harden.
DeleteWhy does putting Parson's on Dwill have to do with not trusting Lin? I thought it was a great move on McHale's part, because putting an athletic big guy on DWill really took him out of his game.
Plus, who was going to guard CJ Watson? That's probably the reason why Lin wasn't on Dwill - because CJ Watson has point guard skills and quickness, and out of the starting line-up, Lin was the best match-up against him.
So, who did Harden guard?
Rockmanslim hates Lin from the get-go. He is not a Rockets nor Knicks fan, but he loves to troll Rockets and Knicks realgm when Lin has a bad game. He got banned on CF the same time that Kinein (and Kinein is not a troll, he is a Lin fanboy). He is a hater. I am almost certain he is a racist. I don't like to label people that until there is some sort of proof, but he got my attention a long time ago because of the stuff he wrote about Lin.
DeleteI don't miss going to Knicksrealgm anymore because too many Lin haters occupy there now.
Woodson's IQ is being exposed. He is very methodical and can't think outside the box. To me, he is very slow to process information, thus, he can't adjust during halftime or on the fly. He just aint' smart.
Thanks Roberlin, I thought Parsons and Delfino were on Dwill most of the night.
DeleteThat asshole just wanted to find a reason to hate on Lin, so he brought defense.
Who did Harden guard? I don't even remember...
forgot to add. I thought he had a good game. He had an excellent first half, but the Nets made some adjustments in the second time to take him out of the game. But his impact was felt on the floor, but won't show on the stats sheet.
DeleteI'm a tortured Knicks fans and I've met some of the long time members, in real life so I still lurk there.
DeleteI've never seen this "rockmanretard" comment on the nyk board. How do you know that he got banned from CF?
I knew the Knicks were going to implode. I still wanted Lin on the Knicks but he wasn't going to put them over the hump and help them get a championship. The tyson/stat/melo combo is the reason why we're never going to get past the 2nd round (if that even happens).
McHale correctly put Parsons on DWill because his length also shut down DWill in the last game in HOU. DWill still hit some three but he never really involved other teammates like Lin did.
DeleteI think Harden was guarding Bogans?
Just ignore those trolls out there. The important thing is HOU won this game despite having Harden and Lin not at their best, still adjusting to the new players (DMo and Anderson). This is really impressive for HOU to win on the road and closed the game strong.
Delfino will get a big contract next year. This guy hit a big three 15 seconds after he checked in the game. Instant offense.
He mentioned it himself. Scroll down halfway.
Deletehttp://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1214736
I think Tyson misses Lin too. Lin made Tyson looked good last year.
Delfino signed a 2 year contract with Rockets. 2nd year being team option. Morey might use him as a trading chip.
DeleteThanks for the info guys.
Deletealcsd, that guy's a miserable asshole. why the hell would you spend your time following a player you don't even like?
Another racist on that forum you want to avoid is quick kick. he is definitely a hater and a racist. I thought he should have gotten banned a long time ago for calling Lin a ch***, but the moocow, a mod and Lin hater didn't do that, but only give him warning.
Deletealcsd, thanks for the heads up, i'll add them to my ignore list.
DeleteDmo AND TRob are both Lin type of players way more so than PPAT and Morris. They will make Lin look good, and Lin will make them look good. Kinda like the Novak effect....
ReplyDeleteDmo will be like the Rox' Novak and Trob will be like the Rox's SHumpert. Not saying Dmo plays like Novak or TRob plays like Shumpert but I see Dmo converting Lin's passes and post up passes to up Lin's assist totals and Trob catching Lin's full court alley oops and weak side lobs for dunks....
I am impressed with what Morey has done with this roster in 12 months. Win or lose in the playoffs, their best years are ahead...
Now if only we could get a different coaching staff....
Alley oops aren't just flashy plays, but, a really effective play because it's so efficient and an easy play. It's amazing that the rockets has an awesome fastbreaking, uptempo team, yet, I can't really recall a single alley oop play this season.
DeleteIt happened 2 times....after 57 games..
Delete2 times?? That is soooooooooooooo sad.
DeleteIn the beginning of the season, Lin was trying to pass alley oops, and failed every time, so I guess even he was giving up on those passes.
Delete[HD] Jeremy Lin Highlights | Rockets VS Nets | Feb 22, 2013
ReplyDeleteOne year after Linsanity interview with ESPN:
ReplyDeletehttp://youtu.be/jKcRKMSNoM4
Rockets vs Nets | Lin + Team Highlights (2-22-2013) - Blaiyan version
ReplyDeleteIn other news:
ReplyDeleteLakers/Portland battling it out atm, 82/80 Portland lead 2pts into 4q. Nash 1-9 Bryant 12/18 29pts, Lillard 6/15...
Yes watching the 9th place drama :D
Deletelets hope POR win....LOL
DeleteWow LMA stuffed by Howard hard lmao.
DeleteI don't like either team but the lakers have an easier schedule than POR so they need to lose. Damn, up 2 with a minute left.
DeleteLakers won :(
DeleteLillard is crying cause he missed that last 3.
Lakers were getting all kinds of calls, refs were def on Lakers side.
I guess it just takes Buss dying for them to wake up?
Now GSW/SAS overtime, lets see who wins that match up, 98/96 atm.
dskfj#dacb@!! Sucks man.
DeleteWe need GSW to lose too...
Jarrett freaking Jack.
DeleteYeah :(
DeleteLooks like they beat SAS, 2 pos game with 11sec left...
Glad I'm not the only one ... Jack indeed! 3/8 at GSW.
DeleteOk, just watched the game on league pass. I thought Lin played a sub-par game for him. Missed a ton of shots. Handling was just ok. He is better when he has no time and just jacks up 3 pointers instead of thinking about them.
ReplyDeleteI do like that he took more jumpers - he must be nailing them in practice and feeling confident. His passing was sensational at times - def highlight reel plays (a few turnovers from mishandled balls).
One of the things I was surprised with was that Lin was the primary ballhandler down the stretch and not Harden (Harden sets good picks by the way cause he pushes and pulls his guys). Great teamwork and I like Montie and am excited about Trob.
I give him a pass, he's sick or recovering from cold/flu. I didn't watch 1st half but from all accounts he played ok.
DeleteI really wasn't able to understand why Lin can control the ball at the end given McHale and Harden's record. Myabe they realized only Lin can make other 3 players better?
DeleteHere's an interesting "stat" from tonight's game, very intriguing.
ReplyDeleteIn terms of +/-, every single Rocket was in the plus column. Not a single player with negative points.
BUT - one player was NOT in the plus column or the negative column. He had a 0 +/-. Jeremy Lin.
I don't think I've ever seen a box score with every player in the plus, with one player who played significant minutes with a zero.
My theory? Jeremy Lin's zero represents the sum of the parts.
To clarify my last sentence, Lin's zero in 35 minutes and while handling the ball at a high usage rate means his impact on the game and his teammates was so significant, he still influenced the team positively when sitting out.
DeleteIt just means he played half good games and half bad games I guess..
DeleteRoberlin,
DeleteSorry I am not good with words, but will try to explain to you as to best of my ability. The +/- has to do how the team and opponent scores. For example if Lin plays first 8 minutes in the first quarter and Rockets 25, Nets 20. Lin will get a +5 upon leaving for the bench. When he comes in the 2nd half and Rockets 50 Nets 48, and lets say he plays through the end of the second half and Rockets 75 Nets 60. His + will increase. For example if Beverley comes in with him and didn't even score anything and got zero assist, but Beverley will also earns +.
Next time when you watch the game against the Wizards, you might want to open NBA.com game page and watch the +/= moves up and down as each player sub in/out.
DeleteDid y'all see?? Blazers just got robbed by the refs on every final plays. NBA is f*ckin rigged!
ReplyDeletethat couldn't be more obvious
DeleteFelt like I was watching WWE
DeleteBlazers got robbed hard. I mean I don't like them cause well they're not Rox :D but wow it was just blatant BS, refs won this game for the Lakers.
Felt like I was watching the Rox vs OKC game in terms of refs favoring Lakers and Blazers was Rox but Blazers lost.
Roberlin,
ReplyDeleteSorry I am not good with words, but will try to explain to you as to best of my ability. The +/- has to do how the team and opponent scores. For example if Lin plays first 8 minutes in the first quarter and Rockets 25, Nets 20. Lin will get a +5 upon leaving for the bench. When he comes in the 2nd half and Rockets 50 Nets 48, and lets say he plays through the end of the second half and Rockets 75 Nets 60. His + will increase. For example if Beverley comes in with him and didn't even score anything and got zero assist, but Beverley will also earns +.
Yes, I understand that - +/- is a crude "stat" determining how much your team was up or down against the other team while you were on the floor.
DeleteA zero might mean he had a +10 at the end of the first half, but was -10 in the second half, resulting in his net zero.
BUT - the interest part is that all his other teammates were in the plus.
I still can't quite understand how Lin could have a zero while everyone else were in the plus.
According to my memory, Lin was +1 at the end of the first half. Thus, he must be a -1 in the 2nd half.
DeleteStill trying to think this through - Lin's zero while everyone else was + cannot mean he had the worst overall game of everyone on the team.
DeleteWhat would be helpful is if I knew the plus/minus of each player while playing with Lin, and the plus/minus while playing without Lin.
Delfino played the same amount of minutes as Lin, and had a +5.
Harden played 42 minutes, 6 more than Lin, and was +9.
The first 8 minutes of the first quarter, Rockets was trailing Nets 23-19. Lin was -4 when he went to the bench. At the end of the first quarter, Rockets were up 34-31. Beverley got a +3 for the 4 minutes he was playing (while Lin was out).
DeleteThanks, that's helpful. Beverly overall had a plus 9.
DeleteSo, if Lin was plus 1 at the half, that means in the second quarter, he was plus 5.
Epic 14+min Lin highlights from OKC game.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailymotion.com/fr/relevance/search/fdrucker/1#video=xxnzbq
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DeleteWhere is Jlin in the team huddle before the game?
DeleteI think he was standing behind Parsons? Not sure.
DeleteWatching NBA TV and it's Steve Smith and Rick Fox. They both say positive things about Harden AND JLin, the outlook for the Houston Rockets, and their youth. Steve Smith says that Harden and JLin can both shoot, run the point, and handle the ball. Also says that McHale is doing a good job offensively. Rick Fox says, "... any questions about Jeremy Lin as a point guard running that team, along with Harden, out the window... "
ReplyDeleteAt least giving props to JLin too regardless of this particular game.
Also, looking at stats Chris Paul had a pretty "bad" game yesterday against the Spurs. Nash too today against the Trailblazers. Yes, JLin has been somewhat inconsistent overall but more consistent recently. I wanted a big game in NY but I'll take the win as long as JLin plays and grows.
Did anyone notice or people already talk about how JLin did that move Harden sometimes does after making a 3 (the three fingers up but as if brushing the ground) in the OKC game, and I guess Harden had goggles, a la JLin, after his 3 tonight (didn't see the game)?
I don't have nba tv, so thanks for the update cali7.
DeleteVerified. Post is legit
DeleteI saw really great team unity tonight. They seem to like each other. Harden looks to defer to Lin at times and has no problems with it. Maybe it is me looking for harmony, but I think Harden respects Lin a lot more now.
ReplyDeleteI am very excited about the trade. Patterson set the worst picks ever. Barely would set them and then move away. DMo is hungry and wants Lin to pass him the ball. His tweet on Valentines day said everything. Now if we can just get Asik to catch passes and dunk this team is a 2nd round team maybe even this year. Next year, watch out. Contender.
We need one or two low post guy to be a second round team. just my 2c.
DeleteNY Times
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/sports/basketball/jeremy-lin-and-the-rockets-defeat-nets.html?_r=0
although there isn't any poster here been to Barclay Center to give real-time updates, the paragraph below paints the engrossed lin fans reaction, ooohhhaahhh:
Delete#The crowd clearly noticed, though, when Lin had the ball. His first shot clanged off the rim, and the fans groaned. When he bounced a pass between a defender’s legs, they oohed. And when he made a hanging layup, they aahed.#
Can't believe that JLin would say this meaning what McHale makes it sound like (JLin care more about his stats than winning).
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/bondy-deron-health-p-pins-needles-article-1.1271479
Kevin McHale won’t make the same proclamation about Lin. Not yet. The Houston coach calls his playmaker “a home run hitter,” and doesn’t mean that in a good way.
Delete“Sometimes he’d rather have 29 points and nine turnovers and I tell him, ‘Jeremy, we’re trying to win,’ ” McHale said.
His disdain for Lin is crystal clear.
of all the comments made by mchale about lin, saying that lin'd rather have 29 points and 9 t/os and doesn't care about winning is the most disgusting comment that i can't put up with! mchale, you are such a mentally challenged moron who doesn't understand your pg. smh...
DeleteMcHale still doesn't make any sense. That home-run hitter metaphor is a bad one.
DeleteWhat specifically is it that McHale wants Lin NOT to do, and what specifically is it that he wants Lin to do?
What the hell does it mean to go for singles and doubles, but not homeruns, in basketball?
Does he not want Lin taking those wide open 3 point shots? That he should just pass to Delfino or Parsons?
What's maddening about McHale's criticisms is that they are so cryptic and incomprehensible.
You know what Karama is doing to the Dolan now (for sending out his minions to assassinate Lin's character)? It's biting him in ass. McFridge you are next if you are not careful.
Deletewow.. this McHale comment takes the bitter cake. can we trade coaches now!?!?!?!?
Deletedoes anybody have the link to the vid in which mchale made that comment, please?
DeleteHow's that true hen he takes 8shots a game? If I'm not wrong, you need to put the ball in the basket to get points. If he's going for home runs then he'd be taking 20 shots a game. Mayb he means that he's always trying to make the big play? Didn't really see any of that since half the season the handed the ball to harden at half court...
Deletenydailynews have numerous times assassinated Lin's character. you remember frank asshola, mitch lawrence and the crew?
Deletebut we do need to get a clear clarification on this but please do it civilly without accusing McHale first. you know those Rockets beatwriters will shut you off when you attack McHale. please we need to do it civilly and get the best response because if McHale does said this we're going all out to get his ass fired!
@alcsd,
DeleteIf that comment is indeed made by McHale, I'm all set to throw rotten eggs at Mchale during the next ROX vs GSW game.
I don't know if there is a vid. I just read the article. I would like a vid too because sometimes the media intentionally interprets things a certain way so I don't always trust it.
DeleteThat being said, and my dislike for McHale based upon my observations, as well as assuming this is being truthfully reported, this confirms my belief that McHale does not trust in JLin's talents and abilities. What McHale says doesn't make sense. Even assuming JLin had 9 turnovers a game, if that meant other players did not have turnovers because JLin was handling the ball, I don't see how this would cause the team to lose. And isn't this what he let Harden do anyhow for a while? Rack up points and turnovers?
I wonder if it was indeed McHale who coached the Rockets last night. didn't he saw that Jeremy saw how lax Brooklyn's defense was and set up plays to score inside? without Jeremy on the floor all his guys are just relying on 3s.
Deletecheck @JasonCFriedman tweets, somebody was asking him about this but i'm not quite clear of his answers.
Delete@bmzll
DeleteAgreed. Can't just blindly trust the media.
not sure. actions speak louder than words. that video c/o Solid75 made it resounding.
Deleteeven though McHale doesn't like Lin, he won't come out full force like that especially after a win. but we need to get clarification on this quotes: “Sometimes he’d rather have 29 points and nine turnovers and I tell him, ‘Jeremy, we’re trying to win,’ ” McHale said.
Deleterarely does journalist post a fake quotes, they will try to twist on statements but to fake a quote is pretty serious.
Hi, first time poster here. I think you guys are overreacting to that quote. I don't like McHale either but I think his theory is it is hard to win with too many turnovers so he does not agree with Jeremy's style of play of high risk high reward.
DeleteIt's not a fake quote, but what's likely is that McHale said a whole bunch of other stuff that may have been positive about Lin, but got left out of the article.
DeleteHere's the thing. I don't care when it was said, I care that McHale apparently said this at all, considering this is a direct quote.
Deleteblue, that's my interpretation, too, but, if that's what he means, what exactly is Lin's style that is high risk?
DeleteHe can't mean taking 3-pointers and jumpers, because they dont result in turnovers.
What he may mean is Lin driving to the basket then ending up with no place to go and getting stripped of the ball. If that's all he's talking about, then I agree, Lin needs to be smarter about when and when not to drive to the basket. So does Harden.
Robertlin
DeleteYeah most likely they left out a lot of thing, but that particular quote “Sometimes he’d rather have 29 points and nine turnovers" on a same sentence?? It's really hard to give McHale the benefit of the doubt.
NYDN is a terrible source for news. I'm hoping and praying that quote from mchale was taken out of context.
DeleteBut if Mchale meant it, then he's a moron. Lin puts WINNING above everything else. He'll sacrifice his stats and COMPLETELY adjust his game to mesh with his teammates. That's what he's been doing all season.
Also, when the hell has Lin ever gone 29 with 9 TO's?! I know Mchale's exaggerating but why make it seem like your PG is a selfish asshole that doesn't care about winning?!
I think Lin had 27 and 8 turnovers last year against Utah or the Nets. I think it was the first or second game of Linsanity. And they won.
DeleteJanelin7,
DeleteWhich game are you attending? Make sure to save some money between now and then, and bring a friend to bail you out at the police station.
ksmith, I give McHale the benefit of the doubt only because I'm never sure what the hell he means with his cryptic statements. McHale is the most in-articulate coach in the NBA right now, perhaps of all time.
DeleteIf we really want some straight answers, the guy to interview is Sampson.
Sampson is a liar.
DeleteRoberlin, I think it is probably referring to the passing. McHale always says they should make the easy pass and maybe the 2nd or 3rd pass would lead to the open man instead of trying to make the home run pass. I remember D'Antoni also said before that Jeremy likes to go for the home run pass instead of the easy pass.
DeleteThe 29 points may not be referring to Jeremy's own points more like the team would score more points.
blue, an a for effort, but your attempt to make McHale's statement sensible is futile.
DeleteEverything you said makes sense, except the last part about the 29 points referring to "team points." I've never heard of "team points" in reference to turnovers.
But, to the point about homerun passing, would he consider his bounce pass to D-Mo as a homerun pass? Is that why he didn't play them together in the second half, to prevent homerun passing by Jeremy?
Or, how about those two full court football passes to D-Mo? One resulted in a TO, one resulted in an easy basket. But, usually, his percentage is pretty high.
And, those passes to D-Mo, if we consider them "home-run," i.e., risky, difficult passes, came in the second quarter, when Lin and D-Mo shredded the Nets defense, and basically put the ROckets in control of the game.
DeleteIf Lin didn't hit his homeruns in the second quarter, the team likely loses the game.
I'll take any negative news about Jeremy Lin with a pinch of salt including tweets. Even with video evidence, unless one can really know that there was no editing/manipulation. I don't know if it's the case in Asia but in the UK, any adverts (only seen it for beauty) that involve manipulation have to be noted eg mascara where fake eyelash is used. The media likes to twist and sensationalise any innocent remark (Scott Machado) including photographs (eg Adele & Chris Brown).
DeleteJason C Friedman tweets for the Rockets. Right from the get go when he was RocketsJCF, I find that he is not impartial like Howard Beck when it comes to reporting/tweeting including his old video chat(?). Of course, I do expect there to be some slight bias..but I'd rather stick to Jonathan Feigen articles/tweets even though he doesn't tweet much.
I keep writing that McHale is a motion offense coach that has no clue how defenses adjust to Jeremy Lin.
DeleteThe pattern is this:
1) Lin is trapped hard early in the game, but he adjusts by beating the double and triple teams via probing dribbles that McHale thinks are breaking the flowing motion offense.
2) Lin is allowed to run wild early in the game, and he does his Magic Johnson thing that teams adjust to at halftime. Then McHale gets pissed because he doesn't understand why Jeremy Lin can't make the same easy plays he made in the first half.
I keep writing that McHale does not understand how NBA defenses not only load up on Lin, they also shift tactics.
Roberlin, haha, I have to confess I don't have much basketball knowledge, I only began to watch basketball during Linsanity so I don't know. That bounce pass to D-Mo sure is a beautiful pass. But basically the point is I think McHale is not saying that Jeremy values his stat above winning, it's just that he and Jeremy have different approach on how to win and he wants Jeremy to do it his way, whatever that is.
Deleteblue, McHale wants Lin to make very simple passes and take easy shots.
DeleteWhat McHale doesn't realize is that opponents specifically trap Lin with special defenses that Lin has to probe and fake out simply to get into position to make those simple plays!
To McHale, Lin plays like a selfish ballhog because McHale doesn't realize that the traps take away Lin's simple plays and force Lin to make spectacular plays!
KHuang, I agree that's what McHale wants Jeremy to do but I don't understand how come McHale/coaching staff can't see that. Isn't it the coaching staff's job to recognize that?
DeleteMcHale sees Harden and Parsons waltzing into the lane guarded by only one guy, and those guys usually can score or put up a good shot.
DeleteMcHale sees Lin drawing 2 or 3 defenders and he gets angry because he thinks Lin is deliberately plowing into traps instead of making simple shots or passes.
Lin WANTS to make those simple bailout passes or easy shots, but he cannot because opponents shut off all the passing and driving lanes. So Lin will:
1) dribble around a two or three man front, thus picking the defenders off each other
2) dribble right into the heart of the defense, which opens up passing lanes to teammates or freeze the defense so that he can take his deadly midrange shots
3) hesitate briefly with the ball to draw defenders toward him, then explode toward the rim as the defenders are retreating.
The defensive traps targeting Lin are actually wxecuted by all 5 defenders on the court. When Lin passes off to Harden, Harden easily gets by his man who's often flatfooted watching Lin. Harden will blow by additional defenders that are Lin watching and who don't even bother to contest Harden's shots. McHale sees this and thinks Harden is some sort of unstoppable superstar, so he wants more Harden!
Yet a funny thing happens every game. When opponent traps shut down Lin and McHale pulls Lin for not being able to beat the traps, the Rockets start losing. Then McHale is forced to put Lin back in, and Lin goes rogue and beats opponents by himself. So McHale is put into a quandary over having Lin "break" his offense but having to play Lin to win.
This is why I wish I could sit down with McHale and point this all out on video. I actually think I could convince McHale that Lin's actually playing McHale's system to UTTER PERFECTION!
McHale is an idiot, 'nuff said.
DeleteI get what you are saying KHuang, but it makes no sense to me that he would publicly berate Lin over and over. I understand the whole "Lin needs tougher love because he is double triple teamed all the time"
But how does that explain Parsons/Harden/Delfino giving up 4,5,6 TOs while not get defended NEARLY as much as Lin, yet Lin is averaging much lower TOs this season, and STILL gets mad chewed out in public?
Its garbage, McHale doesn't like eating crow, and it shows. Lin doesn't fit his mold, and it shows. Heck he doesn't like PGs dominating his game, his system, and his attitude towards Lin and past PGs, SHOWS.
Lowry had the following line yesterday:
5/11 15pts 7ast 0 TOs
I'd be he would still get chewed out by McHale.
Yup, this is exactly the sort of disgusting quote that pisses me off. You will have lots of TOs if you have high production. Harden has tons of TOs. McHale overrates TOs, also. And, Lin's TOs this year are far less on unproductive dribbling errors, but McHale seems to refuse to acknowledge the improvement. Aggressive passing is something you WANT in a PG but McHale tries to discourage it. He truly is an idiot.
DeleteMorey knows Lin's TOs are not a problem, but Morey doesn't tell McHale what to do.
I would love to be a reporter and make McHale justify his criticisms in the face of overwhelming data contradicting his contentions. When Lin was only caring about his own stats and not winning last year, what was New York doing that they hadn't done before? Oh, yeah, WINNING. How do you explain that, McHale?
DeleteMcHale, by his words, appears to be the apotheosis of an ignorant, Lin-hating forum poster during Linsanity. No amount of production by Lin is useful or important. No amount of winning is important. McHale is the ultimate box score watcher, but the box score can only hurt Lin, not vindicate him.
DeleteThe ONLY stat that matters to McHale with regard to Lin is TOs. If Lin had 45 points, but 5 TOs, McHale would say that Lin had a bad game. And if Lin had 45 points and 0 TOs, this wouldn't be a good game, just, "Well, at least he didn't hurt us."
A generous view would be that McHale knows he's exaggerating, but that's what he needs to do to improve the sloppiness in Lin's game and make him a better player. I think this gives McHale too much credit, and it also assumes that:
Delete1. TOs are really that big of a problem.
2. This is the best or only method to improve the problem.
3. Exaggerating the negative value has no effect on other parts of the game and doesn't reduce winning.
None of those 3 are true. When McHale makes Lin second guess his behavior during games and reduces his aggressiveness, he actively costs games.
Moreover, the disrespect isn't limited to TOs. Even though Lin is an elite defender by every advanced stat, they used to take Lin out of games at crucial times in the 4th quarter, e.g., the first Portland game they lost. McHale (and his staff) simply don't think Lin is very good and they want to minimize his role if they can possibly help it. Luckily, they can't possibly help it more and more.
I find it hard to believe that McHell made that 29 pt 9 TO quote considering I think it's common knowledge that his ass is on the line.
DeleteNow, if he was talking to a confidant off the record, then, yes, I think this is exactly the type of talk he's making. He is not dumb enough to leak it to the press though.
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ReplyDeleteI don't think that comment was after this game. you know the ny media loves to stir things up to bring jeremy down. I wouldn't worry about it. the way mchale played jeremy today in the 4th I was really happy. jeremy got the ball almost every trip down and he took a bunch of shots. it looked like he had the green light for the first time in a long time on the rockets (maybe ever).
ReplyDeletehere's some nice comments by harden on lin.
http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/delfino-divine-rockets-cut-down-nets-once-again
Good point about the NY media. They still are overjoyed that they have Ray Felton to write about instead of Lin.
DeleteLin might still be bothered by his knee...he rubs it from time to time.
ReplyDeleteI think he is still battling a cold and not getting the proper rest as he should.
DeleteYeah, the New York Daily News is like the National Enquirer. They are trying to cause controversy. Mitch Lawrence is a complete joke and anyone who writes for them is basically the same. McHale showed lots of confidence in Lin down the stretch.
ReplyDeleteThey probably pieced together quotes from months apart.
Yes, Lin is a home run hitter. And he can hit them consistently and beautifully.
Good to know. Not familiar with New York publications per se other than NY Times.
DeleteThe writer isn't Mitch Lawrence. I'm assuming the writer covers the Nets? Anyhow, since I missed the game, I'm glad to hear that about the 4th quarter.
but the 29 points thing seems a bit odd considering he just scored 29 on OKC.
Delete@cali7, yes he is. He and Frank Isola wrote a lot of negative things about Lin after he left NY.
DeleteI'm not sweating it. NY Daily News writers are trolls. They were the ones that got Scott Machado saying he was not a Lin fan. Machado and Lin were friends actually.
DeleteThey are also the ones that tried to suggest Lin's benching as a NY Knick. They are sensationalist journalists who before auto-correct were probably spelling every other word incorrectly.
@awarde
DeleteI mean Mitch Lawrence didn't write this piece. It is Filip Bondy, whoever this guy is.
Anyhow, considering that the group here is far and wide, it helps to know what kind of publication it is and how it is regarded in NY. Thanks @Stu.
I'm not a NYCer (though I was born in NYC), but yeah, I've read extensively about Lin and at some point NY Daily News jumped off the bandwagon and realized the only way they could sell papers was to play a Stephen A Smith role of Lin antagonist. So yeah, they are trolls that you just knock off the bridge.
DeleteAmong Lin haters are Mitch Lawrence and Frank Isola, but I don't think Bondy is.
DeleteI was trying to find another source but couldnt find any. It is possible that NYdailyNews simply misquoted McHale. Remember how much crap they used to print about JLin last year? Many here were convinced that Gotham City media was trying to ruin Lins image (at least some of them). Maybe they are still trying to...
Delete@cali7
DeleteDon't forget that the editor could also have a hand in it since they have the final say. I've never read/heard of Bondy prior to this so can't comment if he is pro Lin,impartial or bias. He might have written a decent article but once out of his hands, the editor have the final say..
It's great that with the rise in Internet Revolution, there's an increase in independent and honest reporting...including Jeremy Lin fansites :) The public will no longer be brainwashed and will be able to discern the media's propaganda eg CNN/Fox/DailyMail and politicians too.
DeleteJust hope that the UK wouldn't pass the bill to have Black Boxes to monitor internet/phone usage. George Orwell's novel 1984 is coming true. Big Brother is watching you.
@alcsd,
DeleteYeah, I may get myself into trouble by throwing stuff at the coaches so I googled and found THIS.
It seems it’s ok to throw stuff at fans but maybe not the coaches? Anyway, I hope we can get a clearer picture of the exact quote made by McHale before I hastily do something that lead to unnecessary trouble.
With the trade of TD, Morris, Cole Aldridge and 2Pat completed 2days ago, I sorta understand(though not in agreement) McHale weird sub pattern among Jeremy, TD and other players, maybe he did it with the intention of showcasing TD and also grooming/uncover point guard from his teammates. I will at least for now give McHale the benefit of the doubt.
actions speak louder than words. I don't know what the full quote from mchale or the context and I don't really care as long as he continues to play jeremy like he did in the 4th quarter of this close game tonight.
ReplyDeleteDid anyone go to the game? Have anything to report?
ReplyDeletei sat behind the bench!
Deletei am really impressed by the team chemistry. you can strongly feel that they play as a group not individual. they cheer for each other's good play.
we all know that kung fu pregame hand check thing for starters. do you know that their bench will follow it doing the row dancing cheering thing? it's really cute to see it. i can understand why Jeremy feels like playing in college. because they are! they are young, energizing, passion, and enthusiasm for the game. that's why their game is fun to watch! shout out to PB. this guy has lots energy not only on the court but also on the bench. there are many times he and Jeremy share some body touch cheering (more like in a buddy buddy way ) I like his unique high energy character to backup Jeremy.
And i start to rethink my opinion on mchale's coaching.
maybe its good for Jeremy to have an old school coach during his development. look at the big head problem among current superstar drive league,there are many young players with attitude problem and lack of mental toughness when facing struggles because they get famous and money too easily. (woodson holds every players accountable but melo because he doesn't want to lose his job , let's wait and see how worse knicks can be after) so i think mchale is tough on Jeremy because like he says Jeremy is their pg who generates their offense. I did see there were couple times that Mchale walked toward Jeremy's seat giving advises. (only to him)
rockets' future is bright. i think morey does a great job
not only gather a group of talents but also a group of
good kids! (if you've already knew t-rob's story and his
relationship with morris twins) He deserves gm of the year!
btw, you can tell Jeremy not happy with his performance to9 when he on the bench. he always too strict on him self. fans may sometimes think he's mad because he talked to the coach without eye contact IMO.
You sat BEHIND THE BENCH????
DeleteARRGH! I'm fake jealous!!!!
Great analysis, sean joh.
Also, what was your impression of the Nets and their body language?
@sean joh
DeleteWow..I'm turning green with envy. Any pics or video taken? If you do, please upload and share with us :P Thanks.
wow.. BEHIND THE BENCH? CAN SEE ALL THE ACTION? SAW JEREMY REAL UP-CLOSE? I'm soooooo jealous now @sean joh.
DeleteI wouldn't mind McHale been tough on Jeremy so much if that's how he is with all the players but that doesn't seem to be the case. I remember when I went to their last home game against the Lakers, one time after Jeremy committed a TO, McHale was totally furious, he stood up and angrily swatted his arm to signal to Jeremy to come out of the game. I didn't see him have such an angry reaction to other player's TO.
Deleteblue, McHale is hard on Lin because none of the other players are appearing to ram themselves against double and triple teams the way Lin is.
DeleteWhen Lin turns the ball over because the traps overwhelm him because teammates have not gone to open spots, McHale blames Lin even though lin had no one to pass to or the player couldn't (or in the case of the two departed forwards, WOULDN't catch passes).
If I sat down with McHale with video, I'd be like "See those defenders closing in on Lin? Now that nobody is open, where do you expect Lin to go and do?"
Here's a positive quote about Lin, although he doesn't mention him by name, but by his position.
ReplyDeletePJ Carlisemo quote about the Rockets offense, complimenting the team's one, two, and three; i..e, Jeremy Lin, Harden, and Delfino(?):
“Their offense if just beautifully conceived and they have a one, two and three that can all bring it up. They can all run pick and rolls, they can all shoot the ball from deep also. They can all put a lot of pressure on you at the one, two and three spot defensively. They’re a very good offensive team. We defended them a lot better tonight than we did in Houston and they still got 106 points.”
I think he is referring to Parsons.I understood Delfino is the starting 4, Parsons still the starting 3. correct me if I'm wrong though.
DeleteNYC FANS MISS JEREMY HARDER ESP ON SUCH A NIGHT KNICKS LOSE TO LANDRY FIELD'S RAPTOR! AMAZING!
ReplyDeletea fan from knicks' forum~
"dogrufus
February 21, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Welp, this is the kind of game that really makes me feel sore that everyone circled the wagons and rallied behind Dolan when we gave away Lin to the Rockets for nothing so we could sign the worst guard rotation in the NBA.
We’re a .500 team going forward, the start was fool’s gold. Every single player we have is trending downard off a cliff. Look at Melo’s monthly splits. Kidd falling into an abyss was pretty much the most predictable outcome possible of signing a 39 year old vet who hasn’t been good in years to a long-term guaranteed deal.
Lin is better than any PG we will be able to get in the next 3 years and we let him go for literally NOTHING.
It’s really incredible how one smart guy in Houston can just run circles around the entire league over and over and over. Shouldn’t be surprising when most teams are owned by trust fund morons like Dolan.
This is a 45 win team, and only because we had a lucky hot start. We have literally 0% chance of beating CHI or IND in the playoffs. We simply don’t score vs. great defenses unless they allow us to. Doubt we can beat the Bucks either, since we give Redick 12 wide open threes a game.
Get ready to watch three to five (maybe if we play the Nets) disappointing playoff games to conclude the season."
and it's amazing thing can turn around that fast, all the sudden knicks fans start to rethink D'antoni's reputation because knicks is not playing d under Woodson now. They are thinking maybe the problem is not on D'antoni nor Woodson! ->>>Melo ego?
Deleteunbelievable!
you can tell that even Jeremy didn't really have a good game to9, NY medias still give him lots praises than writting down him.
Oh, most NY fans LOVE Jeremy Lin.
DeleteActually, most fans around the league love Jeremy Lin.
Often it seems the Rockets have constant home court advantage just because of all the Lin fans - many of whom are not Asian!
Knicks fans are simply fickle and flip flop like no other.
DeleteI don't feel they genuinely rate Lin that highly. Next time when the Knicks play well again, they would say letting Lin go is the best decision ever.
Actually, Knicks fans simply had too high of expectation for their team. What did they exactly expect last year's 7th seed with adding a few old guys? Currently sitting at 3rd in the East and a possible 2nd round exit is already pretty good for a franchise who only won one single playoffs game in the last 10 years.
Also, let us (Lin and Rockets fans) not get too happy and excited until we have a better record than the Knicks and go further than them in playoffs and Lin consistently post significant better stats than Felton. Lin can only get the last laugh this way.
DeleteWhich board is this from?? Would love to check out the posts
Deleteyup, I really want Lin to get the last laugh against the Knicks after what they did to him. Only then will justice be served. I am a Lin fan haha but guys in my family were long time Knicks fans (no more!) and Lin's departure was painful for all of us. While i understand it was all business at the end of day, that was just some shady business in NY. I also think many NY fans miss him too, even more so i am sure down the stretch.
DeleteAnd yes - I and many here in NY find guilty pleasure (or not so guilty lol) watching the Knicks impode. I also want Lin to shine but most importantly, to stay healthy and continue to learn and grow while not forgetting to have fun!
I also know the daily news have been bashing him whenever they have a chance after he left NY, so i really hope the coaches' comment was either taken out of context or bad journalism.
Jeremy Lin: 'I've shown flashes'
ReplyDeleteNEW YORK -- Jeremy Lin had just made his 82nd NBA start, marking his first full season as a first-stringer, when asked what he had proven between the mind-bending Linsanity of Madison Square Garden last winter and the relative serenity of the Barclays Center on Friday night.
"I think I've proven I'm a young player who has talent and yet has a long way to go," Lin told ESPNNewYork.com as he headed to see family and friends after Houston's 106-96 victory over the Nets. "That's the way I see myself. I've shown I can do some stuff. I've shown flashes of being a great player. But I've also shown the reverse as well, so it just takes some time."
In November, before his first meeting with the Knicks in Houston, Lin had told ESPNNewYork.com he believes he'll be an All-Star "at some point, for sure." He didn't repeat that claim after struggling against the Nets, who fielded not one, but two point guards who outplayed him, in Deron Williams and C.J. Watson.
But after finishing with nine points, six assists, and five turnovers two nights after he went for 29 points, eight assists, and six rebounds against Oklahoma City, Lin wasn't making any dramatic concessions, either.
"It might not be 29 points every night," he said, "but I just need to be more consistent.
"I think I've had to grow in terms of being a different player off the ball obviously, and learning to be effective every single night of an NBA game. Tonight I didn't really play my best game at all, but I learned a lot."
Lin's first trip to Brooklyn didn't match up to his last trip to the Garden, where he beat the Knicks in December with 22 points and nine assists. But he was cheered loudly on introduction and again when he made a few breathless passes that led to uncontested dunks.
Linsanity was born on the Nets' watch last year, when the undrafted, thrice-fired guard from Harvard came off Mike D'Antoni's bench and out of left field to play a big game at Williams' expense. Almost overnight, Lin became one of the world's most popular athletes, a truth that didn't stop the Knicks from refusing to match Houston's $25 million offer to the restricted free agent in July.
The Rockets made a deal for James Harden before the start of the season, and, suddenly, Lin -- who struggled early after offseason knee surgery -- wasn't the primary scoring option in their backcourt anymore. "It's a different system, and I'm in a different role," he said in comparing this season's Rockets to last season's Knicks. "I'm playing alongside a huge, elite playmaker in James Harden and learning to mesh with him. We're getting there, and I'm really happy with where we're at right now."
Houston is sitting in the eighth position in the Western Conference playoff race at 31-26, and Lin is averaging nearly 13 points and more than six assists per game. Asked what his backcourt partner has brought to the Rockets, Harden said, "Talent, which is what we need. He's doing a good job of leading, definitely by example … He's making shots, making plays. He's doing everything."
But he's not following his old team. Told the Knicks had lost in Toronto on Friday night for their 15th defeat in 29 games, Lin said, "I literally haven't seen them play one time since I played them and we were scouting them.
"I haven't been able to catch them, but they're talented -- a really talented team. I think they'll figure it out."
Lin showing some pompous eh. The next thing Lin needs is smack it up and talk some shit. Good thing Lin is honest about needing to be more consistent, that will keep him grounded. If Lin acted like the way you all here talk, he's in for some real hurting, ROFLMAO. ClutchFan's is the real deal, too much nuthugging here!!!
Deletethen get the hell outta here. you Lin haters don't have any life but troll even a Lin fan site. got no life, eh? shove your ClutchFans deep down your throat.
DeleteClutchFans is a joke, period. lol
DeleteI find it amusing to read (at least from time to time) comments from ClutchFans like @Geronimo. These are truly psychologically impaired individuals. It's good they have an outlet like CF. Perusing the CF site is like getting an jnside view of an insane asylum. Humorous and scary at the same time. Looking forward to their next posting.
DeleteIsn't it ironic. You all hate Clutchfans but can't resist going there every hour minute of the day. Who's psychologically impaired? Hahahaha!
DeleteI don't go there. most of us don't.why go in an ugly place with ugly personalities.you, on the other hand.. you sound really demented. JLinfan, kick this PoS sorry behind outta here.
DeleteWelcome, geronimo.
DeleteI am excited about your presence here. You do have valid points.
I would happily call myself a Jeremy Lin "nuthugger", geronimo. However, I like Lin for real basketball reasons and not just because he is Asian. If you'd like, I can explain those reasons to you in an honorable and courteous way. To me, Jeremy Lin is THE GREAT GUARD of this generation as far as winning games goes.
I bid you welcome to this site, It doesn't matter to me where you came from, I'll stand by you if you get trolled. Here on this site, trolls get retaliated against. I've never read a word of clutchfans in my life and have no bias against the site whatsoever. So please keep posting here.
You all need to show some courtesy like KHuang.
DeleteExcellent, geronimo.
DeleteWhat are your honest thoughts of Jeremy Lin?
You can post honestly at me. No matter what you say, I'm going to hear you out first even if I disagree. And I am not going to get personal with you if we do disagree, not unless we go at each other personally.
i never know what clutchfans look like...
Delete@geronimo , you're in good hands with Khuang. :)
DeleteBut you don't need to be courteous, @geronimo? Instead of insulting a whole community of people and pointlessly and provocatively comparing it to ClutchFans, why don't you bring up the specific points anyone has made that you disagree with?
DeleteWe think Lin will be an All-Star. Lin thinks he'll be an All-Star, too. Do you disagree?
Lol a Lin site that talks about Lin with fans that loves Lin. Oh noes, what is this world coming to?!?
DeleteWhat are nuthugger clutch fans doing here?
@geronimo
DeleteWell, it ("show some courtesy") works both ways. I was and still am on the CFans site. I usually has no problem with most of fans there, except there is a thread called "Jeremy Lin is a joke". Anyway, you are welcome to express your basketball opinion here especially regarding to Lin. At the end, this is Lin's fan site.
I like Lin. I like his improved shooting and overall game. He clearly can play and has some upside. That's about it. Oh, and being consistent, like he said in the article. I'd like Lin to mean mug and talk smack to DWill, CP3, Rondo, Curry, and all of them point guards. I'd like to see Lin cuss them out and shove them around once in a while.
DeleteLin? cuss? nah. your wish will never be granted.
DeleteI always wondered why Clutchfans was denigrated so much on this site. I don't recall seeing much negativity toward Jeremy over there, although it is a very big site so maybe I just haven't seen it. But quite a bit of it seems complimentary towards Jeremy. I get it that we are all passionate about basketball and I am a super Lintendo fan. But I think Jeremy would want it that his fans follow his example of being a classy and good guy. To Linfinity and beyond!
Delete"Some upside." Way to use weasel words.
DeleteI'll be clear. His upside is stardom. Want a sample of the reasons?
I find it highly improbable that the person who broke the NBA first 5 start scoring record won't be a star. I find it highly improbable that the player who combine tested with a faster first step than Kyrie Irving, John Wall, and Derrick Rose won't parlay that into stardom. I find it improbable that the person with the fastest acceleration that Houston's ever measured won't be a star, particularly when that speed comes in a big, young 6'3", 200 lb frame. I find it hard to believe that a player whose first 82 start per minute averages compare very favorably to any of the elite PGs first seasons won't be a star. I find it hard to believe that the starting PG with the 3rd highest steals-blocks-charges taken/40, in only his first 82 starts, won't be a star. I find it hard to believe that a player in his second season being in the top 20 in the NBA in defensive RAPM won't be a star. I find it hard to believe that someone with elite athleticism and a famous work ethic and famous competitiveness and famous IQ won't turn all those gifts into being a star.
But we'll see who's right over the next couple of years, you or us. :)
Lets take a step and not a leap. Star? Of course. Superstar? Possible. But before Lin can get there, lets make sure he can play consistently first.
Delete@michael terry , 110% agree on all your points!
Deleteplus , for me , i firmly believe , Jeremy Lin is a Man of Destiny. He was simply born to do the things that he's doing at such an opportune time like this.
In some ways, Jeremy is the Jackie Robinson of basketball, at least for Asians, underdogs and Ivy League grads. He will go down in history. He has a lot on gis shoulders if you think about it.
Delete*his
DeleteAll hail to the REVEREND MT! I find it hard to believe he shouldn't get a Hallelujah!
Delete@Tuan Vu
DeleteTaking out the pure haters of Lin (very small portion and not worth our time for discussion). Majority of CFans are thinking them selves as Rockets fans. That means Lin are just an average or below average player to them. I do not think there are ppl hate Lin personally there tho.
However, on this site, ppl are in majority Lin's fan, either because of bball reasons or his amazing story. Positional differences seperate us from Cfans.
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ReplyDeleteMissed today's game, but glad we got a win.
ReplyDeleteI couldnt find any article quote the above, other than the posted
LINK
anyways jeremy did mentioned that;
It might not be 29 points every night," he said, "but I just need to be more consistent." when he was asked about his 82nd NBA start.
"We're trying to win the game and you're messing things up." Huh? What kind of coach says that that to his own player? We can only imagine the verbal abuse Lin has undergone at the hands of this struggling alcoholic.
ReplyDeleteMotion offense coaches usually say such things to the superstars that win games for them.
DeleteMotion coaches hate it when a single superstar goes rogue and bricks shots against double teams or plows into a horde of defenders while turning the ball over.
What motion coaches don't understand is that at the NBA level, defenders are so good that they can stop any kind of motion offense that capitalizes on opponent mistakes. In the NBA, defenders simply don't make many mistakes.
When defenses shut down motion offenses, superstar individual talent can bust through the traps and create plays for others. That usually leads to motion coaches like Phil Jackson clashing with their superstar players like Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant.
The same trearment does not applied for Harden or Parson though
DeleteWatching some Thomas Robinson on league pass. Wow. He is so athletic and smooth for his size. He just walks around out there with grace. He has ball skills. He is the most athletic big man we have now, by far. He works hard and plays defense.
ReplyDeleteHe's only 21. With coaching, he's going to be hugely valuable for this team. He has All-Star potential and crucial starter on contender floor.
I can't believe what a strong position Houston is in now. Their whole starting unit can just grow together into a contender. They don't even have to use that max cap space! They probably will, but they don't have to. The entire starting line-up is made of young, efficient, high IQ winners.
I see TR has the potential to take GS's minutes away. GS can only catch and dunk but doesn't have agility to go above the rim on ally hoop passes and is horrible on D.
DeleteTR looks to be an upgrade on offense over GS. If he can provide solid D, GS can go back to D league.
*GS is my fave big man on Houston but he's the most expendable at the moment with TR coming over.