Friday, December 7, 2012

Rockets @ Spurs Game #18 Game Thread

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  1. NBA's best Point Guard vs. NBA's worst Point Guard.

    Enough said.

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  2. Tony Parker vs Toney Douglas?

    Good observation, Nemo.

    Toney Douglas is showing some signs of NBA ability this year.

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  3. Hopefully the Rockets can look down the bench (including the 12th man) to find a hidden gem to rise up and beyond. ;)

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  4. On a side note, Harvard is playing UConn tonihgt in mens bball!

    Oh.... the memories... sigh.. Nostalgia...

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  5. Ugh, really sucks when Parker is attacking Lin every time down the court, but Lin is afraid to attack at all.

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    1. Lin needs to run the so called "offense system". Ugh.

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    2. He needs to look to attack and score ... not to pass to Asik to miss point blank layups, or to Parsons to brick 3 pointers. The lane was very open on several occasions.

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  6. Tony Parker is killing it right now. There was one particular play where Parker just drove right past Lin in an iso (meaning no Duncan screen... most of the others Lin got stuck on Timmy).

    They need to double on Parker. Take the risk on the open three. IMO.

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  7. Harden keeping it close by drawing a bunch of fouls.

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  8. lol lin and asik fighting for the rebound

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  9. Lin really need to do some jump shot! Driving in everytime is not a good idea .

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  10. Asik has the weakest layups in the NBA. He could've had free throws if he went up strong.

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  11. Damn Lin! Shoot the ball! Stop dumping off to Asik all the time.

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  12. Really annoys the hell out of me every time Jeremy passes up an easy shot to dish it to Asik who is offensively challened. 1 shot attempt so far and not a good one at that.

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  13. Douglas in there for a minute and already took and made a shot. Jeremy attempts 1 shot in 8+ minutes. Just pathetic.

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  14. Lin deserves to seat on the bench. Playing scare again.

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  15. TD made a 3 lol. He is making lin looks ugly.

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  16. I like Jeremy's unselfishness but seriously he needs to take it upon himself and shoot more like Harden, instead of passing to his useless frontcourt players. He has to realize that Asik won't get any advantage over Duncan and Parsons is an inconsistent shooter.

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    1. The unselfish thing is getting overboard. Almost every game he has lees than10 attempts is just plain stupid.

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  17. I agree. Lin should shoot more. Man, he use to love to jack up shots. He will get confident again. Not sure when, but it will happen. He's shown signs lately and I think he will come back stronger in the next 3 quarters.

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    1. I think Lin wants to get to the basket but can't because Parker is constantly cheating under screens when there's a decent screen set. Parker can afford to do so because he knows Lin won't shoot mid-range and even if he does, it will probably be low-percentage.

      Lin needs to just shoot anyway, if only to show opposing PG there is a price to pay for constantly going under screens.

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  18. First quarter thoughts:

    - Pop is a damn good coach. His rotations are beautiful. He calls the best plays. And his timing on getting Splitter to run out to double Harden on that final play was genius.

    - Pop has drilled his players to obey his every command like very well trained puppies.

    - Parker has 10 points on 5 shots, and has blocked Lin once.

    - I know it has been mentioned before but the Spurs big men sets some good f'kn picks, man.

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    1. spurs are playing so good right now.

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    2. Spurs has beautiful ball movement!

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  19. It's funny that KS tried to sub Lin/Asik/Parsons while trailing 5 (13-18) with the magic Lakers lineup of Douglas/GSmith/Delfino and then they trailed 8 (21-29)!

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    1. Trailing 15 points now! KS is scratching his head why the magic didn't work this time.

      With Douglas and Harden as PG, it's just a barrage of 3PTs masquerading as an offense.
      Hope KS figured it out before they're trailing by 20

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    2. I think he was trying to match Pop's rotations. Pop was already putting in bench players by then. (Well, depending on your definition of Ginobili)

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    3. That lineup can't play D. Not every team has a Dwight Howard for you to hack so you don't need to play D and control tempo.

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    4. Lin is back now with Asik and Parsons. I think they need to replace Patterson with Greg Smith so he can finish the putback on offense. Asik is not doing it on offense

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    5. just a rotation match-up. you guys gets too worried when Lin is subbed. Spurs is a great team they wont make the same mistake as the lakers. expect sampson to be out coached and the spurs bench to play major minutes.

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  20. Starting to lose faith in a so called second option person in lin but he so afraid to shoot, where is your confidence, he looks like a high school kid trying to play with grown men its sad

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    1. Lin clearly isn't the second option on the Rox... Are you actually watching the games? :)

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    2. I know that but he was supposed to be when they brought hardin to houston was what I was saying

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  21. On the offensive side, Lin is still playing what the coaches ordered, setting up plays, controlling game tempo, just being a true PG. Unfortunately, Asik and Patterson can't make the shots.

    Lin's 4 REB shows he is playing hard and is actively involved in every possession.

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    1. i dont see what you are seeing he isn't controlling anything right now, so far i see him dumping it off to others, with a few occasional drive to the basket.

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  22. Rockets strategy: Feed the ball to the most offensively inept player on the floor.

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  23. wow i like asik.... but he has no offensive game

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    1. If NBA kept record of missed point-blak layups Asik would be #1 by a mile.

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  24. Houston's offense really sucks. It seems that they don't run screens at all. San Antonio is the total opposite.

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  25. Lin just got the ball stolen from him in two consecutive possessions while bringing the ball up the court...

    What's going on with him today?

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    1. That was pretty embarrassing. Gave me Miami game flashbacks.

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  26. Wow! Harden is so aggressive .

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    1. i think he likes playing against the Spurs.

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  27. Sigh. Gonna be another one of those games. 0-4 and counting.

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  28. Missed another wide open shot .

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  29. As bad as Lin is, one thing you can't deny is that the team is better with him on the court than without.

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  30. parker is just losing lin off the screens so easily, i dunno why jeremy keeps going under screens like that..

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  31. Wow, Morris held his own against Duncan!

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  32. Yeah ! Baby! He has to be angry !

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  33. Good news: Lin finally hits a basket in transition!

    Bad news: 1-5

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    1. But on the bright side, Jeremy Lin's +/- is 0 currently, the best of all the Rox starters. Not always a good indication of player performance - because of match-ups etc - but I think it indicates that he is playing decent defence. He has kept Parker quiet after the initial flurry.

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  34. nice pnr w/ patterson, followed by nice drive all the way to the basket. need to see more of THAT.

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    1. Yes, that's what I call a flowing offense!

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  35. Two badly missed 3-pointers, I don't know what's worse, the higher arc than before, or that he holds out his wrist in a hook pose after the shot ... No you didn't release it right.

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  36. its either a 3 or a driving lay up.....why doesn't she shoot mid range shots boggles my mind, if your shooting terrible shorten your shots

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    1. I have said it before and I will say it, Houston's bad coaching has got into Lin's head. You just don't limit your players like that and encourage them to abandon the mid range game.

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    2. He shot one midrange in the 2nd quarter, missed it badly back rim. If I were him, I'd work on midrange jumpers from now on ... then work my way back to 3 point range.

      That's how you train a shooter, start from closer to the rim, then when it becomes consistent, extend it farther out inch by inch.

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    3. I think it's the whole Houston Moneyball philosophy of layup or 3PT thing that takes away Lin's strength. But he needs to keep shooting it!

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    4. Absolutely agree with everyone, I don't understand how u go from a solid player last yr to looking like a a 3rd string pg

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    5. I just thought that the word "Linsanity" has a double meaning: It's "Linsane" that he can play this badly offensively given the Linsanity background. I just felt uncomfortable when Lin started saying he played during Linsanity even better than he thought he ever could. A real confident person would have said something like: "I always knew I could play like that. I am just going to build upon that and try to improve."

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  37. Lin has the best plus/minus for the Rockets at +0 with 2:44 remaining :)

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    1. Unfortunately no longer true after the Parker explosion.

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  38. lol. Manu said "I just stayed here!" after fouling Harden :)

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  39. Right after I said Lin was keeping Parker quiet, Parker explodes on Lin. Sorry I jinxed it. :(

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    1. he wasn't keeping him quiet before anyways lol

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    2. Parker is too fast for Lin and other Rockets. There! I unjinxed it.

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    3. @bluedreamz let me modify that to say that at least Parker wasn't scoring for a bit haha

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  40. Tony Parker pushes off on Lin all the time. Anyone notice this?

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  41. Got a chance to do a triple double tonight lol

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  42. Lin only had 1 working partner in PNR with Patterson because Asik is not doing it. If only we can combine Asik and Greg Smith into 1!

    Good thing Harden's penetration still kept Houston quite close.

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    1. Haven't seen enough of Asik in PNR situations, but I think he can do it. The game ag/ the Jazz he had two nice PNR points. One off a high pick ending up with him dribbling five steps for a dunk

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    2. I am not sure which is worse, Asik's lack of offensive skills or Smith's lack of defensive skills.

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  43. Hey Lin could have a triple double tonite. 6 rebs and 4 assists already. Finally, got a chance to watch at least a quarter of a Rox game. Doing good. The shot still doesn't look good. Maybe second half he can turn it on.

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  44. Lin out-rebounded Asik at the half, 6 vs 5.

    Shooting only 1-6, really throwing up prayers it seems.

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    1. Coach should just tell him, "We've already lost this game ... just go out there, have fun and shoot the ball 20 times, get into a rythm for the next game vs. Mavericks."

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  45. Half time thoughts

    - Tony Parker is probably my second favourite PG after Lin (although my rankings do fluctuate lol). I like Lin because of his story and how he played with the Knicks. But Parker is really the quintessential PnR scoring guard. Parker's accelerations are beating the heck out of Lin with or without the help of a pick tonight. Parker has 17 points on 9 shots.

    - Lin has 2 points on 6 shots. The jumpers that he took were wide open but he bricked them anyway. I don't know what kind of training he is doing on his shots or whether its mental or what but this is 18 games in. Lots of elite guards has poor shooting nights. But what makes those guards elite is that those are rare or at least unusual occurrences. Lin is making poor shooting a habit.

    - The only thing working consistently for the Rox are Harden isos or Harden PnRs. Not sustainable?

    - Asik is 0-5 despite most of his attempts being under the basket. Just DUNK IT BIG MAN.

    - Tiago Splitter, despite looking like a uncoordinated lump, is playing really well again!

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    1. The good news is Spurs 3PT% is only 11% (1 out of 9) but Houston's only 26.4% (4-15)

      Unless they got hot in 3PT shooting and Houston can slow down Parker as a team, things are not looking up.

      My hope is they can somehow tie it and Lin can get his first triple double (10PTS/10AST/10REB) :)

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    2. I told you Parker is beautiful to watch. Lin missed those wide open 3 pointers to the side, I believe. Lin really should have learned a solid shooting technique before he came to NBA; it's not easy to learn how to shoot when you are trying to keep up with Parker. Without Harden, Rockets would be down by 25 or more.

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    3. I don't like Parker at all. He divorced his wife, Eva Longoria, because he was sleeping with his teammate Brent Barry's wife. He's a great athlete, but a douchebag off the court. That time when he got his eye cut in the bottle fight in NYC, I was hoping he'd go blind.

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    4. ABC Baller, I understand. But you gotta appreciate his game though. Without any vertical jumping ability, the guy can still burn most everyone.

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    5. If some off-court spice is what it takes to liven on-court play... haha

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  46. Rockets have no ball movement and they don't trust other. They have to make the extra passes on the perimeter. Lin had several shots he should of took... Hit or miss. Their offense is too predictable. They have to set better picks. That's why the guards are being d'ed so easily. They pick keeps the defense guessing. They can pick one and done... Stay there and let the guards work. I still think they are one on one players.

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    1. Can't pick once and done I mean

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    2. Patterson is a bit of a black hole in this case.

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    3. They're showcasing Patterson to trade him before the deadline :)

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    4. Lin actually should have taken more shots but passed up 2 or 3 chances at good shots to pass to bumbling Asik. He really does have bad hands and has no offensive moves. In some sense, he and Lin are similar: They have some strong points but just can't put the ball in the basket.

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  47. I'm really starting to believe that this kid can't shoot.

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    1. Believe it. I noticed it in the preseason.

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    2. The sample size is sufficient to draw that conclusion. The kid is barely sub-par. Oh well at least he got his money.

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    3. To be really fair, I would like to give 15 more games before coming to a conclusion. But counting preseason games, it's been around 25 games now.

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  48. I'm starting to believe Asik can't make a layup.

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    1. Asik definitely can't make many shots against good D.

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    2. I agree. Asik is so slow-footed and doesn't have good hands.

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    3. He is 7 foot and he can't put a basketball in omg ! Really?

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    4. We know he can't jump either. Again, to be fair, against so-so teams, he's decent.

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    5. guess it's good that Asik is guarding Duncan. I have Duncan on my fantasy team.

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  49. The Spurs didn't even bother to rotate to Lin on that shot and he still missed... Sigh...

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    1. Lin hasn't had a sub-.200 game this season. Let's hope he doesn't decide to break that particular statistic this game. Ugh.

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  50. Asik and lin took 50 million from the rockets lol

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    1. To be fair, both have strong points, but they just have gaping holes when it comes to making easy shots. I do really appreciate their respective strengths, but they just don't have good offensive games; that's the truth. To be fair, against so-so teams, they do okay, but against good teams, they struggle. What does this mean? It means they will never help Rockets win in playoffs unless they improve their offensive games.

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    2. Now, several million question is: How long (if ever) will it take for them to improve their offensive games to a point where they can hold their own against good players? That's the real question for me. I already knew that RIGHT NOW, Lin (and Asik) don't have even a decent offensive games.

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    3. I meant "several million dollars question".

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  51. More makes by Harden and more misses by Lin. Haha, you really can't blame the coaches to run everything through Harden.

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    1. You can't really blame Harden not pass to Lin even when he's open. :) Harden probably thinking "Damn, Jeremy, come back after you develop a decent shooting technique."

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  52. Harden really has an effortless shooting. Lin can learn a lot from him, just have enough arc.

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  53. One thing really hurt Lin's scoring is his lack of FTs. I don't know what changed. Last season, even on his worst shooting nights, he wouldn't get zero FT.

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    1. That's because this year when he drives to the basket he looks to dump off instead of trying to score hard. Last year he went into the lane to score.

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  54. Stop passing to Asik! He is just going to blow the layup. Duncan owns Asik tonite.

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  55. Wow, possibly Asik's worst game as a Rocket. Complete non-factor out there tonight. 5 rebounds 4 turnovers in almost 25 minutes.

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  56. alright Lin is spent on D playing Parker. Other teammates need to step up, mainly Patterson, Parsons, Smith, and Delfino

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  57. Lin has just about turned into a bonafide scrub, to quote Stephen A. Smith. Man, is he stinking...

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    2. wow you are really good at comebacks!!!!! :)

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    3. To be fair, just a scrub when it comes to shooting jumpers.

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  58. Is Asik sick or what? How could a center commit so many turnovers while not touching the ball much?

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    1. I did hear that Asik was having flu-like symptoms so at least he has that excuse.

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    2. I think Asik has a tendency of putting the ball on the floor IN THE PAINT, and this not only leads to more TOs but gives defenders time to react. He should just catch and DUNK it like Duncan.

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    3. Yeap, Asik thinks he's a PG in Center's body.

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  59. I am not buying into the Rox philosophy of shooting 3's . Way too many. I'll take a long two anyday over a three. Why? Because the guy has more room to operate, not confined to that small spot behind the line.

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    1. and it limits a fast break off of a long missed 3.

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    2. I agree with you. I think there is a difference between shooting 3s in the natural course of game vs. try to shoot 3s most of the times on purpose. I am not sure if Morey understands the difference though. He's too smart for his own type of GM.

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  60. The Spurs bench (as a team) is probably better than the Rox starters, no kidding.

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  61. Rockets' offense is about fall of the wagon. They can't score inside and they're bricking 3PTers.

    Meanwhile, Spurs' 3PT shooting is heating up.

    This just shows that Spurs experienced veteran team is too much too handle for the young Rockets team. The loss would be tough but it will be valuable lessons that they have lots to learn!

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  62. Omfg ! Asik still got 0 point lol

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  63. Lin probably wouldn't return to the game again in this blowout.

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    1. Toney is 2-6 with 1 out 2 3PT shooting so unless he makes 8-10 more points, Lin will be back 5 min into the 4Q.

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    2. well, you're right 20-25 blowout so no need to play the starters.
      I think they'll try one more push, though.

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    3. Not if the team still lost 20+ lol. That's what I meant. I am not worried about Douglas one bit. That Lakers game was a fluke for him.

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  64. I am very worry about Lin, he seems to lost confidence in himself completely. At times it looked he wanted to hide away from the ball. Where's the JLin that we love so much, fearless and determined.

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    1. It's the plays set by the coaches. They're trying to fit him into a role where the feature is harden.

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    2. i see it too, sometimes when harden is bringing the ball up court, i see him looking to jeremy but jeremy just continues to run to the corner and avoids making eye contact with harden for a pass. it's like he doesn't want to participate on offense or something.

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  65. Splitter seriously schooled the "Lakers game hero" Greg Smith lol.

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  66. Lin is way too inconsistent this season.

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  67. Love Diaw. I wonder if he's availble.

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    1. You don't want Diaw. Terrible work ethics.

      I watched how laid back he was in Phoenix and demanded to quit from Bobcats to go to Spurs. He's only there for his friend Tony Parker to reminisce about France.

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  68. It seems like its very hard to see lin to play a good game . Even hard to see him get 10 pts .

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    1. To be fair, that happens only against good teams. Lin often gets more than 10 against teams outside top 5. :)

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  69. The rockets should start shooting half court shots. Way too many 3s.

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  70. I want nothing more then to shut up the lin bashers but almost 20 games into the season and your game is going downhill instead of getting better has me silent and humbled lol

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    1. As many would say, it's against Duncan and Spurs, what can you do? Well, Harden got his points tonight.

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  71. Spurs just too good.

    Duncan has too much game.

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    1. Dunc only played 23 mins tonight lol. Every single Spurs player has too much game.

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    2. Rockets coaching sucks... And the defense is abysmal.

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    3. The offense relies on jumpers. So it is predictable.

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  72. Fact: Spurs bench are even way better than the Rox starting 5. That's just how good Spurs play team basketball. Tim Duncan is playing like he's 25. For JLin, stop playing video games and learn how to shoot the ball. Man, all of his shots weren't even close, and to make it worse, those shots weren't even contested shots. It was just him and the rim. I'm just wondering what JLin's been working on? Whatever it was, it's not working. Start practice shooting while in motion with some one chasing after you and put some D on you cuz anyone can make stationary practice shot with no one in your face. Well at least anyone who play bball. This is just sad for me to see Lin struggle at his shooting.

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  73. Whatever happened to Royce White? He would be great at the PNR.

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    1. he missed the bus and got lost in the woods

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    2. he's too busy skipping practice..

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  74. Funny how Lin has the most rebounds for the rockets. Maybe he should start at PF instead of PG. Since everyone else in the team is somewhat a PG. They all like to take down the ball time to time.

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  75. Starters are our so I guess they give up.

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  76. It's a D-League game out there right now lol. Third stringers vs third stringers.

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  77. Houston accepted the loss and is resting the starters for tomorrow's game against Dallas.

    It's amazing how Harden managed to pull the Rockets within 8 in the 3rd quarter and within 3-5 minutes Spurs was up 20 points exposing Houston's weak 3PT defense. Way too much space there but it just got exposed.

    The Rockets is much too young. Much to learn.

    And Lin needs to be more aggressive and find ways to hit 10-15 footers to regain his shooting. The 3PT shooting is not going to bring back his 3PT shooting.

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    1. There was one thing I noticed that bugged me though. Lin moves too early on the PnR. He got the screener tagged for moving screens twice today for driving too early. Lin needs to watch some Parker/Nash/Stockton tape. Moving screens are 95% of the time the ball handler's fault.

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    2. He said he watched a lot of tape in the off season. C'mon, you're a Lin fan, you should know that. Nash was one of the guys he studied.

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    3. Why is it layup or 3pt shot only? What happened to his mid range shot? I know Morey's said it's no efficient but if the 3pt shot isn't working, shouldn't he try to make shots closer to the basket?

      THIS MAKES ME SO SAD.

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    4. Even if he studied Nash, it doesn't automatically makes him as good as a decision maker as NasH.

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    6. @k.smith I agree. Just look at tonight - Tony Parker is one of the most efficient guards in the game and he currently feasts off the midrange. You need to take some "inefficient" shots in order to open up your more efficient game. As Jordan says, as an offensive player, you never want to give up on any option.

      Basketball isn't baseball!

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  78. Haters are going to be busy tonight.

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    1. they live larger life by hating on JLin!

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  79. Waiting for the seventh inning stretch!

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  80. The way Harden shot the ball tonight, he should hurt a few more toes.

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  81. LIN does NOT suck. His passing, D and rebounding have improved but his shooting and confidence are all f.ucked up. Your shooting technique doesn't improve during the season, we're not going to see much improvement in his shot as the season goes on. It's gone. This is something he's going to have to correct in the off season. This breaks my heart, man.

    If he could just be a decent shooter this season, he could easily average 13-15pts on 7 ast/game but he's shooting so poorly and has ZERO confidence.

    He's doing good with everything else but his shooting is gone. That's not correctable during the season.

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    1. Maybe some intense shot training during the All-Star break could help?

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    2. there is a wolrd of difference in coaching between a top-notch coach and an average coach...confidence instilled much easier and better with a top-notch coach, believe me.

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    3. Sampson is a rook as an NBA head coach, too. It doesn't seem like he is capable of instilling the calm and confidence in young players just yet.

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  82. I am very impressed with Spurs fans. In a blowout people still watching. Doesn't happen in LA or Miami

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    1. Props to all Lin fans here too. Sticking around in a blowout.

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    2. What choice do we have? There is only one Asian-American player in NBA. I tell you, if there was another Asian-American player, I would not be watching right now. :) I just watch NBA during Conference Finals and Finals.

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    3. @eb5attorney, ha! I agree. I meant to reply to one of your earlier comments. I, too noticed Lin's terrible shooting/technique during the pre-season...his fg% was as bad then, as it is now.

      It's not going to get much better this season. :(

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  83. Terrence Jones just axed Daequan Cook.

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  84. JLin didn't seem to manage Tim Duncan picks very well either (but then who does?). Parker benefited from that.

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  85. If it's a blowout and the rockets are playing the bench, why doesn't Sampson put Lin back in to get in as many shots as possible? What does he have to lose?

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    1. he's resting the starters for dallas tomorrow

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    2. we're playing against their bench, why not just put him in to shoot?

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  86. Another 500+ posts thread...

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    1. The majority of real fans (not here to troll) post more after a loss because we're genuinely concerned for Lin. Something is wrong with Lin's shot. That's the only thing that's holding him back.

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  87. I can't believe the youngest NBA team Rockets got outrun by the much older Spurs. If I were the coach, I'd emphasize transition defense, stop trying to intercept outlet passes, pick up their man in transition, stop going for the offensive boards when they have no chance of getting them.

    Lack of Defense is killing this Rockets team. I can't wait til Coach Mchale comes back.

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