Thursday, December 13, 2012

Jeremy Lin And The All-Star Dilemma

So with one month of voting to go (voting ends on Jan 14), Jeremy Lin is 55,000 votes behind Chris Paul. Obviously, Jeremy has not put up All-Star stats. 19 and 7 or 17 and 8 are basically the minimum all star numbers for a pg. I actually believe Jeremy doesn't get voted in unless he really turns it up starting right now. There are three big games coming up in the next few weeks which will decide it:

Friday night vs the Celtics on ESPN
Monday @ the Knicks
Christmas Day at the Bulls

The way he performs in these three games will likely cast the ballot. The biggest problem I see for Jeremy is that the coaching staff and players are just not all-Lin. Even with his breakout game without Harden, I'm not sure too much will change. We can say it's only been 21 games and only one since the 38 point explosion but there are so many troubling signs that I see.

1. Why is Jeremy not getting the outlet pass 98.888% of the time? How many long passes for uncontested layups has he thrown? How many have any of the other wanna be pg's? Parsons should be passing to Jeremy and then sprinting down the court every time. Harden, the same thing. It's not like Jeremy's not gonna pass it back to him. If Harden and Lin are nearby after an Asik rebound, he'll pass it to Harden. The players and coaches just don't respect or trust JLin enough right now.

2. Why can't they set up any back door plays for a JLin alley oop pass? How many has he thrown this season? Is Landry Fields more athletic than Chandler? I don't think so.

3. Why can't we save the Harden iso's for more end of clock situations. That's when you want to go one on one. So many times you see him go and you say no, no, no, oh good shot. Yes, he can make tough shots but it just kills the flow of the offense and JLin is a flow player. It just seems like getting JLin off is an after thought. Why wouldn't you try and get him going more often as you know that Harden can get going pretty much at any time?

4. The 8-10 minutes that Harden is out, JLin and Douglas should be on the court together. I like it when JLin doesn't have to chase the quick point guards around. He actually has an easier time guarding most shooting guards. This saves lots energy for the offensive end, aka James Harden. They did this a bit with Shumpert last season. This tandem worked wonders agains the #1 team in the NBA.

5. You hear Sampson and McHale say that they want the young guys to learn, but how can you learn when you're not in the game? Not playing in the OT vs Portland and 4th vs the Lakers surely doesn't give your young pg experience or instill any confidence, does it? Please coaches backup your talk with action.

6. Harden seems to not make the easy or correct pass. It's almost like he doesn't want the hockey assist because he wants to make sure he either scores or gets the assist. He is not old Westbrook selfish, but he just seems to make it stick a second or two too long especially when getting doubled. It's no wonder that JLin cannot get in synch. I'm not saying JLin doesn't have some culpability, but Harden sure doesn't seem to make it easier for him.

7. How many missed at the basket assists does JLin have? This would be a great statistic to have. This would probably show if he was surrounded by decent finishers, he'd have at least another 1.5 to 2 assists per game. Asik will not get better at this any time soon. Playing Greg Smith more with JLin would seem to make sense.

They are just some of the obvious signs that are so glaring. Can they be overcome by JLin in the next few weeks? I believe the coaching staff's been trying to a certain extent on most of these issues. However remember, without the Harden ankle sprain, there would have been no huge game and we'd be seeing more of #5. But it just seems, like with the media in general, that JLin is expected to just be OK. Instead of saying wow, did you see JLin's All-Star potential vs the Spurs. Imagine what he could do if given the keys like Harden. No, it's we don't need him to be great. We still need to find a second All-Star.

The three big games coming up will have JLin in the national spotlight again. Will he rise up against all odds including his own players and coaches and show the nation that he has All-Star talent? Or will he continue looking like a 3rd or 4th fiddle and not even make it? Or will he end up with more scrutiny and negativity for being voted an undeserving All-Star. This is just another intriguing chapter in the book of Jeremy Lin.




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  1. This goes back to the question:

    Are the coaches competent enough for incorporating both Lin's and Harden's talents to the system?

    They don't even try to make it work. All I see is handoffs.

    Moreover, seeing Parsons and Delfino initiate the offense while Harden or Lin is on the court should NEVER HAPPEN. It is that simple. I don't know why McHale is so infatuated with Parsons. He'll be more effective cutting and shooting. Also, he's so called defense this season has been overrated.

    The Rockets have no roles for their players. Playmakers should only be Harden or Lin.

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  2. Isn't it amazing that after linsanity and the 38 point spurs game we are still back at square? Some barriers are just hard to break. The ironic thing is an Asian person from another country has an easier road to success than an Asian-American born in the u.s. Go figure.

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  3. There is no chance Jeremy Lin deserves to be on the Allstar team. He's an average point guard at best,and probably the most overrated and overpaid player in the league. He shouldn't make the allstar team just because he's the best Asian player in the world. Even he would have to admit there's a flaw in the system.

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    1. Hey Jason,

      how many point guards have dropped 38 pts on anybody this season... Particularly, those that have the keys to the team. Particularly, the day after the get the ball hog out of the way???

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    3. Hey racist S ASS Smith you just got punked!

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    5. Jason,

      I just checked... I could be wrong... JLIN has scored the most points this season of anyone vs SPURS .. this includes Kobe, Lebron, Chris Paul, Damion Lillard, and even our good buddy James Harden (ps... with Harden at helm the Rockets were NEVER in the game. not even close.)
      And Batum -- not a guard ... was only guy to go over 30 on SPURS. Overrated players don't drop 38 pts on one of the best teams in the league and one of the most consistent and well coached franchises in history. It took a RIDICULOUS game from Tony Parker (his first triple double ever) to get it done vs. JLIN's 38 and the rockets.

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    6. In his previous 3 games Lin had 7, 4, and 4 points respectively, one of those 4-point games being against the Spurs. What happened that night? Actually, Houston lost both games against the Spurs. The NBA is a game of averages. Any player can have a great night now and then.

      Jeremy Lin is probably ranked around #15 or #16 at the point guard position. Look at how his averages compare to what I would consider the ten best point guards in the NBA.

      Shooting % 3pt% Assists Points
      Lin 39.9 30.9 6.1 11.9

      Paul 47.5 32.8 9.1 16.3
      Westbrook 41.8 37.0 5.5 23.6
      Parker 50.8 36.4 7.5 18.3
      Rondo 51.8 24.0 12.9 13.2
      Lawson 38.8 36.5 6.6 16.4
      Irving 46.9 39.9 5.4 18.5
      Curry 43.0 43.1 6.5 19.5
      Felton 40.1 39.2 6.8 15.9
      Williams 38.7 27.5 8.7 21.0
      Rubio 35.7 34.0 8.2 10.6

      Lin's rank out of 11 players in these categories?

      Shooting% 3pt% Assists Points
      8th 9th 9th 10th

      This list doesn’t even include Steve Nash and Derrick Rose due to injury.

      We shouldn’t even compare Lin to players like Lebron and Kobe, but since you mentioned them, it looks like this.

      Shooting % 3pt% Assists Points
      Lin 39.9 30.9 6.1 11.9
      James 54.3 44.4 6.8 25.5
      Kobe 48.4 39.8 4.8 29.3

      If Jeremy Lin wasn’t an American born player of Taiwanese descent, would he even be in the running? Let me remind you, Yao Ming made the All Star team in 2011 after playing 5 games, with 48.6% shooting, 5.4 rebounds, and 1.6 blocked shots per game. I’m not saying Jeremy Lin is a bad player. He is a great player, but only an average starter and certainly not All Star material, at least not this season.

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    7. I asked you a question, Jason. And, you didn't answer it. Again, how many PG's have dropped 38 this season on any team let alone the spurs? ... And we know what happened on every dismal night this season that you noted...
      a certain ball hog was running the team rather than JLIN. do I think JLIN would score 38 every night if he were handed keys to the team? ... no. but, i'm certain JLIN would be averaging numbers that would justify better an All-Star ballot. NOW, please tell me where JLIN ranks as a shooting guard in this leauge because currently his isn't a PG but a SG and if he ranks somewhere dismally low as SG... that should tell you a little something about how he is being marginalized and misused on this team.

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    8. also Jason,

      everyone of those PG's you have mentioned has the keys to their team, and their coaches are not using them as a shooting guard. C'mon, give me my answer, how many PG's, heck! how many shooting guards, how many forwards, how many giraffes, have dropped 38 on anybody this season?

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    9. @Jason

      I do agree that Lin (as of Now) is not all-star material. He has above average defense and average offense - Based on what he is currently showing.

      But he's just being paid 5 million tis season so most overpaid is inappropriate.

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    10. How many players have scored 38 points or more this season?
      Well, we’re only 1/4 of the way through the season and from what I could find the following players have scores 38 points or more so far: Kobe Bryant: 4, Carmelo Anthony: 1, Lebron James: 1, James Harden: 2, O.J. Mayo: 1 and Chris Bosh: 1.

      Consistency is key. You can’t go out and score 7, 4, and 4 points three games and then score 38 in one game and expect to be an all star. There is a huge list of players who you have probably never heard of who have scored 50+ points in a game. http://allball.blogs.nba.com/2012/08/23/all-ball-fave-five-most-unlikely-50-point-scorers/
      What would you rather have, someone who scores 11 point per game on average and 40 points a game once or twice a season, or someone who consistently scores 15 – 20 points per game?

      Lin is currently tied with Randy Foye at 99th in the NBA in scoring, though Foye’s shooting percentage is quite a bit higher than Lin’s. Foyes also plays an average of 4 ½ minutes less than Lin per game.

      By the way, Jeremy Lin is listed as a point guard on both ESPN and on Hollinger (which consequently ranks him as the #40 point guard in the NBA). Looking at his assists (and turnovers) and the fact that everyone seems to think he should be the one handling the ball at all times, I’d consider him a point guard. But, as a shooting guard Lin ranks well below 15th or 16th. That would be behind Kobe Bryant, James Harden, Joe Johnson, Marcus Thornton, Louis Williams, O.J. Mayo, Jamal Crawford, Ray Allen, Aaron Afflalo Erik Gordon, Wesley Mathews, Tyreke Evans, J.J. Reddick, Jason Richardson, Kevin Martin, and J.R. Smith, and possibly others.

      He’s simply not in the top 20 guards in the league, he’s not even the best guard on his team. I don’t know anyone who would take Lin over Harden for their team, and Lin gets paid $8,374,646 (tied for the highest salary on his team) to Harden’s $5,820,417. Like I said before, he is a good player. If they took him out of the starting line up he might have a slight chance at getting 6th man of the year, but I highly doubt it.

      As far as getting “keys to your team”...you gotta earn those.

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    11. Jason, does lin have to go for fifty before he earns the trust of the coaches? Even then the next night he has ten and we re back at square one.

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    12. Jason,

      you have given me the names of 6 players. None of them point guards. Most of them 6'5 or better. Given the 10 or so games last year without a ball dominater (LINSANITY) and his latest outburst without a ball dominater on the court ... i think its pretty clear what JLIN is capable of when given the keys to the team. And, not only does JLIN score at higher clip, his team (arguably) plays far better basketball IN FLOW. (JLIN has gone for 38 twice in the last 40 games or so btw... and during LINSANITY he was over 25 a game I believe)

      Currently, JLIN is a marginalized point guard if that. Not only doesn he not have the keys to the team, he doesn't even have the keys to lead fast breaks (unless he rebound the ball himself) ...

      As far as earning the keys to the team, what exactly did James Harden do to earn the keys... If you want to tell me he's a better scorer than Jeremy fine... I'll give you that ... but to say hes a better player, better team leader ... that is an accolade Prince James has NOT earned. (Just watch him play defense for 5 minutes or drive into double teams and kick the ball out with hair on it and expect teammates to do something with it.)

      Also, James Harden makes about $15+ million a year... lets not be silly with numbers here.

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    13. He gets 32 minutes a game, in what way does he not have the trust of the coaches? He'll get even more respect and trust when he stops turning the ball over so much. Currently he's tied for 64th in assist/turnover ratio.

      I have a question for you guys. which point guards (or shooting guards for that matter) do you think are better than Lin? Or do you think he may be the best?

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    14. You're right, Harden signed an $80 million 5 year contract extension last month.

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    15. He does not handle the ball on fast breaks consistently, he is asked to play off the ball much off the time in the half court, he has been subbed out at key moments this season for dubious reasons (like match ups) ... he DOES not have the trust of his coaches.

      When given the ball without another ball dominater on the court, JLIN has proved that he is about as good or better as any point guard in this league with the exception of Chris Paul and Tony Parker and ill probably forget a couple. His is every bit as good as Raymond Felton who has the keys to RUN the team and has put up 26 and 30 shots in a couple of games this season... True Freedom as someone pointed out ... JLIN does not have TRUE FREEDOM or trust of the coaching staff.

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    16. He also, does not turn the ball over SO much. That's the biggest JOKE. What does he average 3 a game? Harden is averaging close to 5. Against the SPURS, he handled the ball more than ever and had 2 turnovers.

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    17. Jason, you failed to mention that tied for 64 includes players of all positins and those who are not "qualified" on the nba.com website, presumably because of insufficient playing minutes. Kurt Thomas is the top of that list.

      A fairer comparison would be "qualified" players, which is the default option anyways. I don't know why you would choose the non default option to produce the tied for 64th result. Plus, I would compare only guards.

      His ranking is 29th out of 64. The rankings still include shooting guards and guards who are not playing starter minutes or against starter competition, so his rank of 29 does not show that there are 28 pg ahead of him in terms of handling the ball.

      What I do see from the list is that starting point guards Kyle Lowry, Stephen Curry, Damian Lillard are below JLin. Ty Lawson, Jrue Holiday, and Jameer Nelson are just above JLin.

      Still have the opinion that JLin is turning the ball so much?

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    18. @Jason lala..blah...blah...I don't care what you said. I am voting and voting for this best Asian man right here. Ever wonder why 99% of afraican Americans vote for Obama?
      And turnover rate? Still? How about you go check others turnover rate first then come back and mention his again! Since I see many of you like to mention his turnover rate I check many players turnovers from other teams, seriously much better than many star players. Strongelly urge you guys to check it every game of these star players then you can be more reliable in ur words.

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    19. @lydia lien

      I am glad you are proud to be asian. So am I. But let's not be like other minorities who only vote for a candidate because of they are asian. That's why we lack respect and credibility in white america. Sometimes it's better to vote with your head than your heart.

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    20. When someone is still complaining about JL's TO, you definitely know this person is NOT watching his games, so it's pointless to try to reason/argue with such a person.

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  4. This blog post totally nailed it. I almost think Jeremy should go to the All-Star Game regardless. Because it's clear he could put up 20/8 easily if he were actually allowed to be a point guard.

    I was totally wrong about Harden. He may not have been selfish before, but now that he's on a new team with a big contract, he's become very selfish in the process. There was a very telling moment at the end of last game. After a missed shot by the Wiz, Harden and Jeremy both went up for the rebound. Harden not only ripped the ball away from Jeremy, but brought it up the court as well...so he could get fouled and get to 30 pts. What a punk move.

    Any decent teammate would let the guy who's been struggling to get touches/shots make the FTs. Even though Jeremy has every right to be selfish, he constantly tries to get his teammates involved -- remember the Parsons 4pt play against the Spurs? Parsons was struggling with his shot. Jeremy was on fire...but benched anyway. But after he came in, he STILL tried to get Parsons some confidence.

    THAT is leadership. Take notes, James. There's more to basketball than padding your stats. In no way is Harden an All-Star. He's a poor man's Melo. Heck, even Melo is more unselfish this year (probably because of the whole Lin situation).

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    1. You are exactly right Melo is performing this way for exactly that reason and the fact that he respects JKIDD. Somebody had to have sat Melo down and said, "well you ran JLIN outta town and everybody knows it. All eyes are now on you. If you don't bring it, you will be skewered by everyone. Its do or die for you."

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    2. 20 and 8 is too optimistic.

      If his usage rate is higher, he could give you 15 and 7.

      Remember that the Rockets have poor screeners. So, he'll still be trap most likely.

      He was able to penetrate against the Spurs because he was able to hit his jumpshots forcing the defense to go at him hard. This led to various penetrations.

      He's still shooting inconsistently throughout the season. So, if his shots are not falling, the defense can go under the screen; thus, preventing penetrations.

      Moreover, increasing his usage rate won't improve his teammates' bad finishing ability.

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    3. A better than 20/8 stat average has only been accomplished in the NBA 63 times since 1946. The only players to do it more than once are:

      Tiny Archibald
      Tim Hardaway
      Kevin Johnson
      Magic Johnson
      Stephon Marbury
      Chris Paul
      Gary Payton
      Oscar Robertson
      Isiah Thomas
      Jerry West
      Russell Westbrook
      Lenny Wilkens
      Deron Williams

      I know we are Lin fans but 20/8 are ultra-elite numbers. I like Lin but I am not prepared to say he will "easily" hit Hall of Fame numbers just yet...

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    4. BTW trying to get Lin to do 20/8 would also probably kill him, because the only way he is going to average 20 requires him to drive into the paint a heck of a lot, and we know from last year that Lin is not THAT durable.

      To demonstrate how remarkable it is, here are some people who have never managed to average > 20 pts AND > 8 asts a game even for one season:

      Steve Nash
      John Stockton
      Pistol Pete Maravich
      Jason Kidd
      Tony Parker

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    5. I noticed that punk move by Harden too. Asik did the same thing a few games ago.

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  5. Great assessment. I think we are all dialing this in. If this continues, it's clear that the coaches don't believe... call it racist, call it stupidity, call it both... but if there aren't some clear changes ... like LIN getting nearly all outlets... (yes, toss it to Harden and let him go coast to coast if he's got a clear path -- shit they should just let him leak out all the time... its not like he really boards) ... then we have no other option than to believe that they believe JLIN is/was a fluke. I mean, the night after he goes for 38 (38! -- you give Tony Douglas 100 chances to put up 38 and he COULDN'T DO IT ... ever) he's out for over half of the 4th quarter HALF OF THE 4TH QUARTER... it's such complete BS that if I was a reporter I would grill McHale and Morey on this. Did Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Steve Nash, and on and on ... sit for half of the 4th quarter ever? ... Some truly hard questions need to be asked of these guys... they are just getting away with robbery -- the robbery of JLIN's career. The night Kelvin Sampson said Tony Douglas is a better pusher of the ball, that LIN is better in the half court, he should have been called out right then and there. Im mean that was some serious BULLSHIT.

    with JLIN at HELM they play their best game of the season against the best competition. (i'm starting to believe McHale iced LIN on purpose. They win that game... He's got a MAJOR problem. He still has one... but he doesn't have everybody in the world focused in on it ... just JLINs fans and a few of the savvyier reporters.)

    the next night, Harden at HELM ... the barely get it done on Wizards. Coaches back to their shennan-agains...

    Put me in the press room!


    ... I love the call of Tony Douglas with JLIN. I actually think TD should start for PARSONS, play Harden at Small Forward ... bring PARSONS and DELFINA off the bench and let them play with HARDEN when JLIN and DOUGLAS take a rest... only thing is, TD, you don't play point! you don't take outlets!

    ... HARDEN should be the starting SF... there I said it. PARSONS is simply not a starter. In fact, If you have TD and LIN as guards... you can rotate DELFINA in there as SG for limited minutes... and play PARSONS as small forward sub for HARDEN and possibly some minutes as PF... making opposing PF's guard him on perimeter like the do with Melo.

    Morris should not be in rotation.

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    1. Not even sure DELFINA should be in rotation either... but who else we gonna play. Bottom line... Parsons shouldn't be a starter.

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    1. His performance as Head Coach was atrocious.

      So, no surprise there.

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    3. [Well D'Antoni's no stranger to getting booed at MSG...]
      NY Lin fans, make sure to give support at MSG on Monday though.

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    4. That's why i hate some of Knicks fans

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    5. @ Kiet - Yeah, some.
      The nice Nyk fans are here.

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  7. My mom's favorite player is Grant Hill, so I gave one of my votes to him. When Tony Parker said some nice things about Jeremy, I gave one of my votes to him as well. Who "deserves" to be in the All-Star game is up to the fans (the coaches pick the reserves, I believe), and as a fan of JLin, I will vote for him. If you have a problem with the voting system, go protest in front of NBA headquarters. As for the disdain for the so-called Asian vote, I am offended that some think promoting NBA or selling their goods in Asia is all fine and dandy, but giving fans the right to vote for their favorite players is a grave sin. I am really getting sick of hearing this rant over and over.

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    1. THANK YOU Rachel Lee!!! You said it best. Keep voting for Jlin.

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    3. The all-star vote is a popularity contest and not a performance evaluation. Why else would it be a fan based selection system? Are fans expected to be strictly objective performance analysts?

      NBA a global business. American players and fans have to expect that international fans will not be color-blind in terms of race (and its not like Americans themselves are color-blind). I suspect that the reason why Ricky Rubio, someone who has zero performance this year, has so votes because of Spanish fans.

      JLin is entertaining to watch. I vote for him because I want to tell the league that I want to see more entertaining and talented guys like him.

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    4. Wow...you say the best damn things. NBA makes tons of cash from selling merchandise to Asia. These fans are really willing to spend money for their favorite players.

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  9. Axxx Rxxxxx @ARxxxxxxx11
    @Jonathan_Feigen So if Kobe starts and Harden doesn't make the all star game then it doesn't matter?
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    Jonathan Feigen ‏@Jonathan_Feigen
    Coaches pick reserves. RT @ARxxxxxxx: @Jonathan_Feigen So if Kobe starts and Harden doesn't make the all star game then it doesn't matter?
    11:42 AM - 13 Dec 12

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  10. People have voted~
    Steve Nash (LAL) 118,073
    Ricky Rubio (Min) 54,744

    AHEAD OF:
    Manu Ginobili (SA) 47,800
    O.J. Mayo (Dal) 36,495

    ...deserving?

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    1. A guy that's played 2 games and another guy that hasn't even stepped on the court. The haters are b.itching about Lin and his fans are acting like scared, helpless wimps that can't support him.

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    2. For people who say JLin's performance this year isn't at all-star level, just ask ourselves is it solely his fault? JLin always wants to do his best, that's the reason many of us root for him. Circumstantially he couldn't perform at all-star level because of factors beyond his control, yet we fans want to "punish" him instead of support him? I'd support JLin this season especially when the coaches are "marginalizing" him. JLin, you've got my votes!

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    3. @livrylife agreed! JLin's already been "punished" enough by his prejudiced coaches.

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    6. How come~
      Andrew Bynum (Phi) 68,596
      Amar'e Stoudemire (NYK) 64,266
      AHEAD OF
      Anderson Varejao (Cle) 57,336

      Dirk Nowitzki (Dal) 63,056
      AHEAD OF
      Marc Gasol (Mem) 61,716

      Steve Nash (LAL) 118,073
      AHEAD OF
      Tony Parker (SA) 69,983

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    7. Well, those players have already established themselves as All-Stars.

      I would also add that Nash will not overtake Paul.


      This votes show that Spurs players are not given the respect they deserved.

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    8. So?
      This season they are 0.
      Do you honestly think Bynum and Amare should be ahead of Varejao this season? That Dirk should have more votes?

      So what if Nash won't overtake Paul? The principle is the same, he's being voted not by his PERFORMANCE this season. If we are talking about DESERVING votes, do you think he DESERVE to have more votes than Parker?

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    9. To be sure, this thing is complicated.
      Stern deliberately added Chinese twitter and FB to the voting-venues [knowing what he knows from the Yao era]...what's he up to?

      People use words like DESERVE, PERFORMANCE, NOT-POPULARITY. Call out the voters of those other players as well then. They don't have the numbers, but they do the exact same thing.

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    10. @via

      No doubt that name recognition is an important part of any election which is why you see all those annoying billboards and tv ads during election years. Mike Bibby never got voted into an all-star game because the average person never heard of him. The reason why Nash and Nowitzki have any votes is purely reputation and name recognition. Most casual fans probably don't even realize they are injured. I'm pretty sure if Michael Jordan was on the ballot he would still get many votes even though he has been retired for many years. Jeremy also has name recognition. He was on the cover of SI, GQ, every major newspaper, etc so he will get many votes. When you watch any All-Star game, whether it be NBA, MLB, NHL, NFL or your local little league game don't you expect that All-Star means that the best players? Would you be ok if your son was left off a little league all-star game because he wasn't as popular as another child? Sorry Johnny, even though you've had a great season, Zhang isn't as popular of a last name as Smith. In america we expect fairness. Would it be fair to Chris Paul if Jeremy gets to play over him because of his ethnicity. Racism cuts both ways. We can't cry foul one way and be ok with it when it favors us. I think Jeremy recognizes that. It will put him in a tough spot if he gets voted on. Should I take the spot and lose respect with all my peers? Or do I pass over the spot and disappoint all the fans that voted for me. He's smart and will figure it out.

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    11. @ Smoovies

      "The reason why Nash and Nowitzki have any votes is purely reputation and name recognition.
      He was on the cover of SI, GQ, every major newspaper, etc so he will get many votes."
      - And he was on the cover of those mags/ papers bcos of his performance. You don't see Yi Jianlian on SI, do you?

      "...don't you expect that All-Star means that the best players?"
      - Sure you expect the best player. And you're gauging this how? A vet on the downturn vs a new guy who's on the cusp of going off again [Linsanity has shown what he's capable of.] It's not like JLin is a scrub, the Rox are misusing him.
      - If the NBA wanted the all-star game to be a pure stats-driven affair, wouldn't they have made the criteria so? They clearly wanted this to be a mix [fans vote + coach picks].

      "Racism cuts both ways...
      ...we expect fairness."
      - People are not voting SOLELY bcos of race. @Spotless and his mates are European, plenty of African-American and Caucasian Nyk fans are rooting for him, the Christians, the Ivies [C'mon, Bynum and Amare are getting more votes than Varejao, do you think it's racism?]
      - So the Spanish are behind Rubio -> why is he not called out? The standards change when it's JLin, right?
      - The way Nash getting 48,000 more votes over Parker is fair? People are voting like it IS a popularity contest [which it is], until they fail to get enough numbers, then Waa, no fair!

      As for JLin losing the respect of his peers, well I will lose respect for these men if they are so simple-minded that they make JLin a scapegoat [again] for what is clearly a Stern/ NBA- designed strategy to expand the appeal of the NBA across markets.

      I just can't help but feel that this whole kerfuffle about voting/ not voting for JLin really comes down to Lin fans worried over their rep as NBA fans -> Oh noes, LoFs are making us look bad! [I don't mean you, @Smoovies].

      People will vote who they will vote.

      I agree JLin is a smart guy and he will find a balance in handling this. :)

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  11. Really? I thought that the All Star Game MUST have at least ONE player from the NBA team where the game is being played.

    So I guess Harden gets to be on the All Star team no matter what.

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    2. Bill Simmons 1.0 ‏@SportsGuy33
      Here's my ? - what are you getting David Stern as a retirement gift?

      Daryl Morey ‏@dmorey
      Big performance by @JHarden13 in his last all-star game RT @sportsguy33 Here's my ? - what are you getting David Stern as a retirement gift?
      12:41 PM - 6 Nov 12

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  12. Howard Chen ‏@ho_chenCSN
    Kinda expected Jeremy Lin to be higher than 3rd in voting among Western Conf guards in 1st returns today on ASG voting. Harden's 4th btw.
    12:00 AM - 14 Dec 12

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    1. I wonder if the not-so-high-ish voters turnout is due to diffusion of responsibility:

      "I don't have to take the effort to place a vote -> I'm assuming JLin is a lock for All-Star since the whole of China/ Asia is voting him in anyway."

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    2. Yeah, that and all the other nervous/shy/shameful fans projecting their fears onto Lin. "I'm afraid this will happen, or that or he doesn't need more pressure." Uhm, he's faced much harder times than getting voted in BY FANS into the all star game. Fans are pretty much saying, "I can't vote Lin into the all star game until I think he's ready". Way to show support.

      Did you see his interview at the all star launch party on rockets.com? The kid wants the support and he wants to play.

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    3. I love Howard Chen, ha! He agrees.

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    4. I agree with you k.smith. It almost sounds like "I'm not going to give the kid starting PG responsibilities until he is ready."

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    5. i thought it was a good turn out. I mean he's behind kobe and cp3. Both of those players have big international following.

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    6. Unless the NBA sites in China are in Chinese, there's hardly any votes from China because a very small percentage of them speak English. Chinese is the major language in the world because almost none of China speak English.

      In Asia - Japan, India etc no-one knows about Lin so there are no votes there. I think most votes are from Taiwan and surprisingly little would come from China because he is thought of as from the hated American imperialists.

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    7. Michael Ardaiolo ‏@mpardaiolo
      Xi Jinping did not rank in the top-10 most searched for people on Google in China. Jeremy Lin was first. 林丹 second.
      http://www.google.com/zeitgeist/2012/#china/people
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      JLin, most searched athlete in China for 2012, ahead of Liu Xiang.
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      This year, fans can vote on Sina Weibo and Tencent QQ. [If I'm not mistaken, these socmedia platforms are used mostly in the PRC.]
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      "I think most votes are from Taiwan and surprisingly little would come from China because he is thought of as from the hated American imperialists."
      - Not sure. Might be a minuscule possibility of lingering backlash from some statements made by JLin's family.
      However, he did a lot of PR during his China trip, appearing in a popular talent show, appearing in GQ China, being the KFC Basketball Ambassador for China, doing countless interviews.

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    8. I doubt Lin will overtake Kobe and Paul. So, as long as Kobe and Paul have more votes than Lin, then Lin will not start.

      The reserves are chosen based from their production and not based from popularity.

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    9. CP3 is pretty popular.

      It also helps that the Clippers are rolling.

      Even if he does overtake CP3, it might be in Jeremy's character not to accept that underserved all-star spot because he knows at least 5 point guards from the West deserved the spot more.

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    10. Sure, Lin was the most Googled player in China, like Yanks Google Osama Bin Ladin. No, I'm kidding! But the fact is that China's leaders and the press have had an antagonistic relationship with Taiwan which is propped up with American warships and missiles. The Chinese have said that Taiwan will one day return to the motherland.

      Lin has a typical American twang. The posts that China and Asia provide incredible no. of votes to Lin are possibly myths; it'd be great if NBA could provide analysis of votes regarding country of origin.

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    11. I'd love a demographic breakdown.

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  13. Good post JLinFan#1. I'll share a few of my thoughts:

    1. Personally, I do not want Lin to get voted into the All-Star game at this time. There's going to be a huge backlash from media and fans, it's the last thing he needs. He's going to have plenty of chances in the future, I'd prefer to wait for a time that is unanimous for Lin to be in ASG.

    2. Hindsight's 20/20, but Lin would have been better off on the Knicks this year. As much as we despised Woodson, he was no where as bad as Sampson/McHale. At least Woodson wouldn't be benching Lin in the 4th quarter. Lin would be feasting on alley-oops to Chandler, 3 ptrs to Novak, and Melo drawing the focus of the defense. Man, I wished the Knicks resigned Lin.

    3. To be neutral, I do think some of the blame is on Lin himself. If he wasn't shooting so poorly on open jumpers, the coaches would probably trust him more. Also, even if the coaches were telling him to clear out and give Harden iso's, Lin needs to ignore the coaches and assert himself because that is what is going to be the best for the Rockets.

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    1. Not convinced LIN would have been better off in LIN.Y.C. ...
      Woodson couldn't dare faze out LIN last year. There was way too much hype. This year he could have done exactly what McHale/Sampson are doing... find some excuse to put someone else on the court (like ...TD is a better defender ... haha to that BS). Woodson, Melo, and J.R. all have the same agent or agency. CAA. I distinctly recall one article after the season with some Woodson quotes the sub-text of which revealed what he really thought of LIN... which in my interpretation of his comments was not much... and indicated that he had his doubts.

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    2. Atleast im not alone with the thought that Jlin would have been better off with the knicks. Jkidd as his team mate and mentor would make him a better player and he wont try to outplay him. i mean Jkidd takes like 6 shots a game and he's a starter. Jkidd's role with the knicks is like Jlin roles with the Rockets. Its annoying that the rockets is treating Jlin as a role player. He's not a 39 year old veteran. At least Jkidd runs the point if the game is on the line.

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    3. Felton had like 26 attempts against the Lakers. Also, he had a game with 30 attempts.

      That's what you call FREEDOM.

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    4. 10/10 that may be true to a certain extend, but NYK fans are much much louder than Rox, coz they have seen what is linsanity and long for it. Hence the scenario might be reversed.

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    5. Maknusia,

      Ill accept that ... but I do not trust the NBA coaching establishment. I believe most of them view the game through a black athlete/player prism (this includes white coaches too btw -- see Larry Browns negative comments about LIN early) and some coaches even (like Woodson and Spoelstra) have the same agents or agencies that their players have. LINSANITY was not erupting in LIN.Y.C anytime again soon. Woodson, Melo, and JR are all with the CAA agency. We know where Woodson's bread is buttered.

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  14. On another forum, there are five times as many threads on Lin than Harden, and three times as many comments/reads for Lin threads, and nearly all threads turn to Lin discussion. That shows how much fans appreciate Lin more than iso Harden or Melo even though they're auto picks for All Stars.

    But maybe Lin himself wants the Linsanity thing to quiten down a bit. He's so humble he wants others to get deserved credit; his upbringing prevents him from taking the lime light.

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  15. This is my opinion.

    I'm not voting Jeremy into the ASG. Mostly because I don't think he's played at an All-Star level consistently enough this season. If he does get picked, I think it's going to add more pressure and even more scrutiny to his game.

    Maybe it's the athlete inside of me speaking, but for me, there's an unwritten rule that any sports team should be picked primarily on talent (yes, even it's a meaningless all star game). That's why I would go with less heralded players like Marc Gasol, Anderson Verejao etc. alongside of the Lebrons and Tim Duncans.

    For those of you saying it's a popularity contest - I'd rather Jeremy got picked on his talent alone rather than his popularity. And I'd rather he got one championship ring than 10 all star games.

    The frustrating thing is, as most of us agree, Jeremy is capable of playing like an all star. Just give him the ball! he's your point guard.

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    1. I disagree. You said it yourself, you know what he is capable of doing. I will not revoke my support for him just because he hasn't really stuffed his stat sheet.

      As to why, we still have no answer, only those who directly involved within the Rockets organization knows. I am really hoping we can get Rockets insider to tell us the truth (wishful thinking)

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    2. Yes he can perform better but the previous all-stars were voted based from what they produced and not based from what they could potentially produce.

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    3. @neph - exactly.

      I said he's capable of playing like an all star but hasn't shown it consistently this season, so I'm not going to vote for him.

      @rikki - The difference between us is that you are probably more of a Jeremy Lin fan than you are a basketball fan. I'm a Lin fan and an NBA fan and I've played basketball all my life - this is probably where our difference in opinion comes from. (Not to say that you can't vote for him, do whatever you want).

      Whatever happens, I'm still going to support Jeremy but don't think he needs anymore distractions or the added pressure.

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    4. @august I am actually NBA fan first before I became Jeremy Lin fan. But I started to lost interest right after MJ 2nd retirement and lockout began. Nothing interest me then for some years, not even LeBron, not even Dwight Howard, not even Chris Paul. Only until the 2007 when Kevin Durant drafted thing start to interest me again, then came Derrick Rose, then came Blake Griffin. Finally the year 2010 I saw this Asian kid NBA Summer League, at first he looked like he don't belong but boy he proved me wrong instantly and the rest is history and now here I am. I was NBA basketball fan but now I am proud to say that I am Jeremy Lin fan, just sayin

      As for topic, I understand what you're trying to say. Y

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    5. As for topic, I understand what you're trying to say. You're afraid that Lin will be hated if he started for the All Star game, all non Lin fan will be hatin' on Lin and you're afraid that it will negative impact on him(CMIMW). While I think of it this way, If Lin ended up getting it and lets assume that Harden didn't get the nod, it will really force the Rockets to utilize their only All Star as much as possible. Again wishful and naive thinking from me

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    6. @August:

      You basicly say that underdogs should not be given a chance to shine on a asg.

      Why? Cause underdogs dont get to play. Underdogs dont get the chance to produce. If it wasnt for peoples injuries - JLin would not even be a bball player anymore. The fact that JLin produces 38 when given the chance to really lead the team and the fact that he doesnt take 10 shots when he is not leading the team...

      It sounds so fair when you say that a sports team should be picked based on talent or prodcution but how many teams really gave JLin a chance?

      You talk as if voting for JLin would be some sort of socialism. Its not. Its a popularity contest. Coaches and owners can pick players based on who they think deserve it. The ASG is there for us fans to vote and speak up for who they think deserves to have a spot.

      For you to act as if fans have to behave like team owners and coaches -> makes the asg pointless. If you are a true athlete you should know that the best producting athletes are not always the best athletes...

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    7. Anyway the result so far is still unsure. There is still considerable gap between CP3 vote. If Jeremy's vote ended up not enough for being the starter I don't think he could get the couch's nod.

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    8. BTW:

      The argument that JLin should not play in an asg cause of the hate and envy is just a desperate attempt to use fans love against JLin.

      Let me tell you folks -> hate and envy will always be there. Haters are gonna hate no matter what. The only way to stop the hating is for JLin to stop playing at all.

      Since he is not gonna do that he might as well play in the ASG. Does it really make a difference?

      The vote is only important to me cause it shows how much support JLin gets from his fans. But - if JLin were to have a nice Linsanity game during the AS weekend -> Id love to see that too.

      BTW:

      Please notice all the anti-vote-for-JLin speakers. Rarely used screennames and freshly created screennames all over the place. Those folks just come here to bash Lin in disguise!

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    9. Do you support Jeremy because he is a good basketball player or because he's asian or both? Most likely both. I think everyone will agree that Jeremy has had a so so season so far. Not bad but not great either. So we are faced with a dilemma. Do I follow my heart and vote for him because he's a great guy or do I listen to my head knowing his best seasons are still ahead of him. Each person will come up with their own convictions. However they decide though does not make them a greater or lesser supporter of Jeremy. I have faith that Jeremy will have many more All-Star opportunities in the future. Looking forward to tonight's game!

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  16. The All-Star game isn't completely meaningless and has more tangible consequences than people think. Many players have clauses in their contracts that give them financial incentives if they make the All-Star team. Even the Collective Bargaining Agreement itself has criteria for certain pay scales that are tied to All-Star appearances (the "5th Year 30% Max Criteria"). So there's more at stake to making an All-Star game than you think, which is why I think only those truly deserving of it should make it, and cannot in good conscience vote Lin in for his performance this season.

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    1. I absolutely agree.

      Yes, it is a popularity contest. However, that popularity must be based on production and not on non-basketball issues.

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    2. or not based from previous seasons or not based from potential.

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  17. Was it right for magic johnson to play the all star game after his retirement?

    People voted and he played great. Stop making stupid questions and vote. More you vote and more some of the rock staff should know what they got in hands... Or some of other teams.

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    1. Really poor comparison. Magic Johnson had already established himself as a multiple time champion, multiple time League MVP, multiple time Finals MVP, multiple time All-Star, multiple time All-NBA First Teamer, and overall legend and all-time great who was forced to retire abruptly due to medical reasons (HIV). On the other hand, Jeremy Lin hasn't established anything comparable as of yet.

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    2. It would be better to compare him to players who are inexperienced and had an inconsistent stretch before the all-star game.

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    3. Off court reasons. Same off court reasons that could bring jeremy in ASG.

      I am NOT asian and i love Lin that's why i vote him. My friend is not asian but he loves Lin that's why he votes for Lin. Another friend is not asian but he loves Lin that's why he votes for Lin. We are european and we love Lin. And we prefer him.over Paul or some other pumped g.

      If you don'tvote for jeremy you give rights to these weird people who only hates to throw jabs to jeremy. They only want people to.part from jeremy. So if you keep voting their plan fails. But If you don't you let these haters win.

      Jeremy deserves ASG. That's all. Support jeremy no matter what and our love will.make him.play better and better.

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    4. "But If you don't you let these haters win"

      Why will they win if Lin is not an all-star this season? He still have time to improve himself. Maybe next season, more people will vote for him including his non-fans.

      Other players are voted not only by their fans but by people who thinks they deserve the spot.

      "Jeremy deserves ASG"

      - Why?

      All-Star game - All-star performer in the current season....

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    5. sad, all these 'rules' are in one's head only. Nowhere on the ballot nor anywhere near allstar promotion media.

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    6. lol. there are rules, you can only vote once per day on twitter/fb/text and nba gametime app.

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    7. I would vote for Lin even if he averaged 15 points and 7 assists per game, remotely close to the All-star level. If I vote for Lin, I will also vote for Dougie who I think is a nice guy and has been playing well for Rockets. :)

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    8. @neph:

      How many people - who arent NBA fans - vote for a player? I think non NBA fans dont vote at all cause they dont care.

      Now that we have established that only NBA fans vote -> how many NBA fans root for a certain player? What are the chances they are gonna give their vote to that player no matter if their players are really the best of the best? Whats that to do with fairness? Whats that to do with performance? Why does JLin has to meet other requirements than others? Why does popularity count when it comes to other players but not when it comes to JLin? I smell double standard.

      Asian americans are not that much into bball - but say asian americans participate in that vote as much as all other americans do (in percentage). Now - imgagine all those asian american votes go to JLin. Is that enough to make JLin asg player? I dont think so.

      So please - stop claiming that JLin would only be asg player because of the asian vote. The only thing such a claim does is spread fear and hatred against asian folks -> ohhhh those asians all stick together. They are coming for us. Thats racism dude!

      I really think that alleged JLin fans are the only ones that are reluctant to vote for their player and that happens for two reasons:

      1.) They project their own flawed self confident onto JLin.

      2.) They arent good JLin fans.

      3.) They are haters in disguise.

      Isnt it funny that many of the anti-JLin speakers here have a freshly created accounts? Doesnt it speak for the idea that its all coming from one and the same person?

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    9. On the other hand, if blacks voted for Obama because they feel Obama has been disrespected by the political establishment, nothing wrong with us Asians voting for Lin because we feel Lin has been disrespected by the so-called experts I see no right or wrong voting either way, because I could easily imagine some blacks not voting for Obama because Obama has not been doing good job as the President. In this sense, I feel blacks who complain Lin being voted into an ASG is full of hypocrisy.

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    10. BTW:

      To claim that you are asian when you are not - isnt that ID fraud? Im just saying...

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    11. @eb5attorney:

      Obama had strong support from african americans. BUT - he also had a strong support comming from the asians folks - thus proving that asians are not as racist as some real racist always claim. Asians are also more liberal than people claim. Can you remember any asian hater speaking out against Obama?

      I on the other hand can name several black haters who constantly speak out against JLin... speaking of fairness...

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    12. Believe me willydilly, all of your reasons are not the reasons for my not voting for Lin. And believe me, my friend, blacks stick together way more than us Asians. Asians do not stick together or support each other all that much. Like I said, if Lin had even 15 points and 7 assists per game, I would vote for Lin.

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    13. If we did, we would all be voting for Lin, which is not the case.

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    14. willydilly, I agree with you that many Asian-Americans voted for Obama. Even my mom voted for Obama. When I asked her why, she said "Because I think it's time that a non-white person should be President." I said to her "Mom, if an Asian-American ran for President, I doubt American blacks would think the same way and vote for the Asian-American candidate." Oh well . . .

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    15. I think it is great that there is so much discussion on whether Jeremy deserves to start in the All-Star Game. That is what is so special about Jeremy, he has the power to influence and challenge people's long held biases. The fact that Jeremy is even on the All-Star ballot is a great honor. Nobody is taking away the public's right to vote for Jeremy. So if you want to vote for Jeremy, go for it! It's what makes the democratic process and this country so great. What's also great about the democratic process is the opportunity for the public to debate and have open candid discussions. I am only stating my opinion, others have the right to state theirs.

      Let's say the situation was reversed and Jeremy was having a stellar season averaging 25/10. Would you be ok if Joe Blow got voted into the All-Star game and Jeremy had to sit out mainly because Joe Blow was good looking and white? I think this forum would blow up with everyone rightfully crying racism. That's what will happen if Jeremy gets voted into the All-Star game over Chris Paul. People in the media and mainstream america will be rightfully claiming that Jeremy got voted in because he is asian and not because of his basketball talent. If you want to vote for Jeremy, nobody is stopping you. But please at least be honest with yourself and admit that you are doing so not because of what he has done on the basketball court but because of some other ulterior motive. The american dream is founded on the principle of earning what you get. I'm not "punishing" Jeremy by not voting for him. I just want him to earn it and he hasn't earned it yet. I do believe he will become an All-Star one day and I will be so proud to vote for him then.

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  18. Since Jeremy is one of my favorites so I'm voting him daily to show my support. Glad they have twitter voting this year. It is more fun and creating more buzz. Which organization in entertainment industry doesn't want buzz? I'm on fb, twitter and nba.com(league pass) daily anyway, no extra effort at all.

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    1. btw, I also text in my vote (text LIN to 69622). I don't see Parsons in the early voting results, I will vote for him from now on.

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  19. All I know is that Jeremy Lin is a man of Destiny! Whatever happened and will happen , his Destiny shall come to pass. So , people can rant all they want. They will not deter Jeremy Lin from fulfilling his glorious Destiny. The kid is destined for greater things!

    God bless Jeremy Lin!

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  20. If you do not want to vote for Jeremy, so be it. Really no big deal, no need to post over and over again to justify your action in this Jeremy Lin fan forum. They (NBA org) want people's attention, they want to involve more fans/non-fans, they want to sell more tickets/merchandises. If only the players with best stats get to play in allstar, why they ask for our votes? As for 'deserve' or 'not deserve' argument, all players on the ballot deserve to be in the game if votes put them in.

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    1. I was in toyota center several days ago, they gave out a nice poster for people who text votes for all four rox players. Prop to Rockets organization. Nice promotion.

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    2. Oh right, you convinced me. I will vote for Lin once today. :)

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  21. I wish jeremy the best and hope he proves his doubters wrong....but unless he picks up his average to at least 15 ppg and over 7 apg before february he has no business in being in the allstar game, I understand its a popularity vote but I would feel so much better if the world says that kid lin BELONGS in the allstar game and not use asian votes as the reason why he's there.

    Everyone keeps saying mchale this and harden that for him being underutilized....honestly...if lin took 20 shots a game they wouldn't care, its his attitude that's holding him back not the rockets....when he was in ny he was aggresive every game, now he looks scared, he need to break out of that shell and shoot the fuckin ball! You can't attempt 6-8 shots per game, coaches should instill it in his head that without him being aggressive they will not win.

    And it starts tonight with the celtics.....now till february I wanna see him earn that spot like I know he can!!

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    1. So you created an account in december just so you can come here and tell us that you think we should not vote for JLin?

      Yeah - doesnt stink at all

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    2. In the Presidential election, respective party tells you whom you should vote and whom you shouldn't. Make up your own mind by not being easily swayed. JLin's fans are not easily swayed.
      JLin, you've got my votes!

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    3. Relax man All I'm saying is he's gonna catch a lot of bs from media and writers if he gets voted in and underperforming, you can vote for whoever you want to vote for I can care less

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    1. So you created an account in december just so you can come here and tell us that you as "chinese" think we should not vote for JLin?

      Yeah - doesnt stink at all

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    3. I believe you Mich. There are many Lin fans who do not care to post. Don't start posting; it's addictive and gets argumentative. :) Besides, the posters here are smart so most of what you wanted to say, someone already said it.

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    4. In the Presidential election, respective party tells you whom you should vote and whom you shouldn't. Make up your own mind by not being easily swayed. JLin's fans are not easily swayed.
      JLin, you've got my votes!

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    5. @livyrlife

      Yes, make up your own mind. Don't vote for a person just because a political party tells you to and don't vote for somebody just because a chinese newspaper tells you to. Look at the facts and make an intelligent choice. Has Jeremy played well enough this season and in his career to be called an All-Star?

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    6. @Smoovies

      Is Jeremy popular enough to be called an All-star?

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    7. @wilc

      No doubt that Jeremy is popular. I would go so far to say he may be the most popular player in the world. Justin Bieber is more popular than Jeremy but he shouldn't start the All-Star game either. If we were voting for an All-Popular team Jeremy would get my vote, but in my book All-Star means the best players, not the most popular. I'm sure if you asked Jeremy he would say he is not one of the best players in the NBA, yet.

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    1. Thanks @via as always.

      Clearly his shooting was hot before the Spurs game because he made all 5 practice shots in this video.

      Interestingly, two times out of 3 made 3PTs his right foot was too close to the 3PT line. No wonder he got two 3PT shots being changed to long 2PTs in the game for stepping on the line. He could have 6/7 instead of 4/5 3PT FGM/FGA!

      He has this bad habit ever since in NY to step his right foot too close to the 3PT line. Definitely something to improve.

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  24. Initially, I resisted on voting for JLin but I did it anyways. One reason was to get back at the endless negative jabs/articles on Jlin. The other reason is faith. The all star game is still months away, but I believe Jlin will improve and put up consistent all star numbers by then--up in the teens in scoring and 8 to 10 assists per game. Although I voted for the wrong reasons but who cares, it's just basketball.

    The question now is will Jlin be able to get to that all star level. The Spurs game told us that JLin is more than capable. The other question is how can he keep it up. Again, having him score 38+ is not realistic night in and out, but more than 10 points shouldn't be too difficult I suppose.

    Everyone harps on whether JLin/Harden can play together. I think they can but it really STARTS with JLin. JLin needs to stop passing up on shots when he's playing off the ball. I mentioned this in the past that Jlin needs to own it and be selfish if he wants to be great. Ball movement and getting your teammates involved is good but at a certain point the attention needs to shift to JLin himself--I think JLin is struggling with this a bit and only taking the spotlight when he has to. Whether or not it's because JLin doesn't have the confidence to shoot when there are teammates with a better shooting percentage that are open, needing to take it to rim before he gets fired up and in rhythm before he starts shooting, or simply just playing team ball needs to change, perhaps mentally. According to a quote JLin referenced, not taking the open shots is selfish. It's absolutely true. Until JLin can figure out what he wants to do, there will always be a cloud hanging over him.

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    1. JLin is selfish for the wrong reasons I forgot to add.

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    2. You couldn't have said it any better...some of the ppl in here are blind I swear

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    3. @mr.james I agree with you that some are completely blind and some are blind in one eye and will only talk about the positives no matter what. Oh well, the bottom line is we're all JLin's fans.

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    4. Racha and mr.james,

      I believe true JLin's fans shouldn't be selfish to only say the positive things about him.

      We just need to convey the constructive criticsm positively so perhaps anyone with Lin connection can tell him that he needs to play the "right way" to shoot and be PG and 2nd best scorer to be a true leader.

      By the measure of his faith in God, God wants him to do his best.

      If God gave him the talent to be the Top 2 scorer in Houston team but he chose to defer to "help" other teammates to score, then he's not doing his best to maximize his God-given talent. That's the way I see it.

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  25. I myself don't care about All Star voting, so I'm focused strictly on Lin's game and not even his personal life.

    I wanted Lin to protect the ball - he did.
    I wanted Lin to keep making great plays - he did
    I wanted Lin to shoot better - he did.
    I want Lin to become more aggressive - he did

    I want Lin to stick daggers in opponents even when they're clearly beaten - he WILL.

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  27. NBA is ultimately an entertainment business. Without an audience, there is no business. Now, a significant portion of the audience, may it be mainly Asians in Asia or in America, is demanding to see more Linsanity, the NBA business needs to comply, as the market share from that particular sector is ever growing.

    Lin fans should use any and every opportunity to support their most favorite and beloved player, and demand that Lin is properly utilized, is given a fair amount of exposure, commensurate to his true actual talents and potentials.

    There is no doubt, after the Spurs game, that Lin is still his old himself. It is the system/team that he is in now, that fails Linsanity, just as it always has been through out Lin's basketball career. We the Lin fans can do something about it, and NBA All-star is a good opportunity. Let it be heard loud and clear; play Lin properly. We paid to see Lin's true talents, we want to see and experience the excitement and energy that Lin can generate on the court.

    I dare any coach, now, to stick CP3 in the corner and shoot 3s on a regular basis, and call it a proper development process or necessary game plan for the sake of winning. Even then, you will see CP3 on top of the All-Star ballots, due to his PAST performance.

    Like Lin went all in, in the Spurs game, because it's the perfect timing and situation, to make a strong point, we true Lin fans should go all LIN, NOW!

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    1. I also agree with your viewpoint, but like I said, I see no right or wrong on voting either way.

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    2. Jeremy Lin is getting 4 vote from me each day. (NBA game time, NBA, Facebook and tweeter). Go All in for Lin.

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    3. I don't understand too. If you want to vote for him you vote for him. If you don't then you don't vote for him. What's that much to say about it. Very simple thing.

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  28. I like the perfect scenario for the All-Star voting for Lin that some of us have raised:

    PERFECT SCENARIO
    "...
    As the Feb 14 deadline for All-Star voting approaches, Lin's votes has overtaken Chris Paul by a mere 5K votes due to his popularity and his improved average of 15pts/8asts in the past 8 games. But critics acclaimed that Chris Paul's 16pts/10asts is more deserving because he has been more consistent throughout the season.

    In a surprising gesture of goodwill, Jeremy Lin made an announcement that he would decline the invitation to be a West All-Star starter over Chris Paul although he is honored by all the worldwide support, he felt Chris Paul or James Harden are more deserving to be a starter. Upon controversy that this move may incur $50K fine from the NBA and possible suspension from Houston Rockets for refusing to represent the team and the city, other NBA players have a newly found respect for Jeremy Lin's unprecedented and unselfish decision.

    The controversy was finally resolved when coaches unanimously voted him to be in the Western reserve team. Once again, this is just another Lincredibly Linderful chapter of Lin saga in the NBA.

    ..."

    One can dream another Hollywood-directed chapter in Lin's career.

    BTW, kudos to JLinfan#1's superb job for outlining the coaches' misuse of Harden and Lin.

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    1. This is a very realistic scenario which I can see playing out.

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    2. And it's a win-win for JLin and his fans!

      NBA would know how much support JLin gets from fans around the world so it will do whatever's necessary to protect its "investment" from getting injured by asking refs to employ "Jordan rules".

      And JLin gets to be the good guy among NBA players and the media!

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    3. Wow - thats biblical wisdom a la Salomon. I say that because I pointed out the same thing below :)

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    4. Then we truly get it, @willydilly :)

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  29. One lighthearted moment between JLin and the reporters when he misunderstood the question if he's going to dramatically raise his performance from the Wizards' game. He thought the reporter played a prank to call him out :) Also funny stories between him and Coach McHale towards the end.

    12/23 Lin Post-practice interview

    I got a good feeling that Lin will be ready to play Rondo tonight.

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    2. I feel the same way about the "good feeling" but each time I end up in disappointment. Granted Jlin had a great game vs Spurs but he came back the next game with a so so performance. I saw the aggressiveness against the Wizards, but he became hesitant to shoot again. When the team was turning the ball over in the second quarter, JLin didn't want to miss out on the party too. I expected JLin to calm things down when it got chaotic. It's all about the mindset. If JLin's mindset is aggressiveness, it's probably his drives to the basket but not his willingness to take open shots.

      I've gotten used to to lowering my expectations of JLin somewhat. Against Boston, I just hope he can elevate his defense and hassle Rondo. I hope JLin can score 12 - 14 points and not turn the ball over.

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    3. Racha,

      I do agree that most of us get the "good feeling" that he can get 15-18 points now to Harden's 22-30 points every game.

      He needs to change his mindset NOT to be "aggressive facilitator" first and willing scorer second. By scoring talent alone, he is the 2nd best player after Harden.

      The coaches need to continuously remind him of the definition of playing the "right away". When you're open then shoot it, when you're not then pass it. By deferring when he's open, he's not playing the "right way" because he's not setting good example as a leader. A good leader shows confidence and is not afraid to miss the open shot. Otherwise, his teammates don't trust him.

      I expect it will take some time for him to be comfortable to be the 2nd scorer every game when Harden is on the floor.

      So I'm hoping for 18/7 or 12/10 tonight plus containing Rondo.

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  30. bullcrap. all star voting criteria is as follows: popularity, this year's perfomance, and LAST YEAR'S PERFORMANCE (for example, injured players getting voted in despite not playing a single game during the respective season. jlin is injured/recovering. difference is he actually played.) lin for president!

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    1. obviously do not vote for chris paul (unless you want to) because it would cancel out lin's vote.

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  31. bullcrap. all star voting criteria is as follows: popularity, this year's perfomance, and LAST YEAR'S PERFORMANCE (for example, injured players getting voted in despite not playing a single game during the respective season. jlin is injured/recovering. difference is he actually played.) lin for president!

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    1. please tell us where you found this list of All Star voting criteria? The NBA handbook? Some All-Star Voting Manual? NBA rulebook? Official Guide to NBA All-Star Voting rules?

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  32. The objectivity on this site is so staggering. At the start of the season, if JLIN averaged "20&8", he was supposedly deserving of MVP consideration.

    Now, after he struggles and is clearly not worthy of an All-Star bid, the "minimum" stats for an All-Star PG are "17 & 8".

    ROFLLLL something ain't right

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    1. Another flameboy, hating on Lin's fans.

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    2. why do you care so much? go vote for your own players and we'll vote for ours. do you know what a vote is? it is a personal preference based on personal reasons. that doesn't change just because jeremy lin is in the picture :)

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  33. I am tired of reading all ur arguments and yet I cant help it. You all just so valuable to skip any comments. Lol.
    This is the thing. If you want to vote, then vote. If you don't then don't. It's not a president election. It won't impact ur life or anything.

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    1. Lydia Lien, many Americans would say it also doesn't matter whether Obama or Romney got elected. :)

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    2. @eb5attorney:

      But there werent any black people saying that they would rather not vote for Obama because they fear "the backlash" and that it would be bad for Obama. Thats what upsets me in Lins case. Get the joke?

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  34. Is it the NBA All-Star Game or All-Popular Game?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/lancemadden/2012/12/14/is-it-the-nba-all-star-game-or-all-popular-game/

    I want to be clear that I have no problem with people voting for Jeremy. The NBA set up the rules of the fan voting system so if someone gets voted into the All-Star game based on some other factors other than basketball performance that is the leagues' issue, not Jeremy's. However other players may not see it that way. It wasn't Jeremy's fault that the Knicks didn't offer him a contract and forced him to look elsewhere. It wasn't Jeremy's issue that the Rockets offered him 25 million. What was he supposed to say, "No, that's too much. I'll play for 10 million." But other players with big egos like Carmelo took it personally. The thinking somehow goes like this: "Why is it that this asian kid who's only played a handful of games is being given such a large contract when John Doe who has been doing it longer and more consistently is getting paid less. It's only because he's asian." And they would be partly correct. I'm sure Les Alexander realized Lin's marketing value when they offered him the big contract. Just go to rockets.com and you will see 2 links to view the site in traditional and simplified chinese. What I am afraid of is that the focus will be turned away from Jeremy's value as a basketball player and focused instead on his ethnicity. Do people not believe Jeremy will improve his performance to an all-star level in upcoming years? There will be many more opportunities to vote Jeremy into future All-Star games when his performance catches up to his hype. No need to rush. Jeremy is the real deal.

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    1. You wrote that JLin got his money for being asian and then you agreed to it. I dont agree to it.

      JLin got his money for being JLin. Im asian - I dont have a 25 million dollar contract - so much for the "because hes asian" thing. Last time I checked asians in western countries were not exactly living like the gods in greece so what are people exactly pointing to?

      Have I missed something or do asians really get payed better than white and black folks in the USA (under the condition that they do the same thing)? Are there really any black or white folks who have consistently played like JLin, mobilised fans and the media around the world the way JLin did? Do they have a Harvard degree as well (cause Harvard graduates love JLin - big fanbase)? Are they really paid less?

      People get what they get. When you are negotiating its all about leverage. You dont have leverage - you dont get the money. Period. Where are those knuckleheads when people hit the jackpot? Where is Melo and his sidekick then? Why dont they come up and say -> "that dude only checked the right numbers cause hes mexican"??? WTF???

      If people claim that they have done the same... names please. If Linsanity happens all the time - whats so special about Linsanity? Cause - to me its just the envious hateful statement from an uneducated schmuck.

      Landry fields nearly gets the same money - why doesnt he explain whether he is worth the money. Harden has a big ass contract and what we have seen so far is just heroballing - no depth. Care to debate his contract?

      You know - its always blame. Hes asian, we cant give him scholarship. Hes asian, we never had a reference for that. Hes asian, doesnt pass the eyetest. Now its - hes asian - thats the only reason the man gets his money. Even coming from asians -> hes asian - shouldnt accept fan votes even if hes voted to play in ASG. Asians have a real bad standing in the US... I no longer wonder why.

      Just my observation -> Melo tried to cause some backlash for Lin (cause of Lins contract). People came up and said they are happy for Lin and Melo should have kept his mouth shut. It ended with Melo getting his own backlash. That was a clear Lin-victory. Now you are telling me JLin should avoid these situations?

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    2. @willydilly

      I'm not sure if there is a language barrier here because you clearly misunderstood my original post. I never claimed Jeremy got his money only for being asian. I said it wasn't his fault that the Knicks made him shop around and he got another offer. I think he is worth every penny of his 25 million dollar contract. I also never claimed that asians get paid more than whites. On the contrary I think asians are paid less than their white counterparts. Maybe you should reread my original post and ask me if you have any questions. By the way, what country are you from?

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  35. I'm a huge Lin fan, and I don't think he is an all-star caliber player...yet. I'm confident he will get there soon, and when he does he will be a shoo in for an all-star selection

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    1. --just wanted to add that I'm hoping he doesn't get voted in this year because based on his play on the court he doesn't deserve it this season, and the backlash would be tremendous if he did get voted in.

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  36. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1444746-full-report-card-grades-for-jeremy-lin-at-nba-quarter-season-mark/page/3

    Is it true that Lin allows "point men he guards to post an effective field-goal percentage of 52.3 percent, while scoring 3.1 [sic 31] points per 48 minutes"? If so, that surprises me.

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    1. That's believable. Jeremy constantly leaves his man at the 3 pt line and helps on the interior. While that does produce more steals, it also allows the other team wide open 3's.

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    2. Yeah, but they are talking about allowing the PGS he guards 52.3% which translates to 31 points per 48 minutes. That doesn't seem right. I believe that Lin's D allows opposing PGs to take and make more 3s.

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    3. it should be "point men Toney energetically guards ..." :)

      I don't think the writer did the homework to subtract points scored by opposing PG when Jeremy was not on court or not guarding the opposing PG.

      But there is some truth in the beginning when Lin left his man open for 3PTs as real-dsb pointed out. Lately, I only saw 1-2 times after he wisely stopped helping with team-defense.

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    4. Unless the writer discloses how the numbers were arrived at and the source, do not believe any info in the media. I worked in the media before, and the rule of thumb is believe only 50% of what you read or see. Media can make it seem like there is a war when there is only a skirmish.

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  37. If I did All Star voting rules, it would be like this:

    Fans, players, and coaches vote for the players by position and are weighted equally by rank.

    Commissioner gets to pick 2 guys.

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  38. The great irony in this entire debate is that fans voting for Lin might actually do him harm.

    Unless Lin radically steps up his game, his being voted into the All-Star game will generate a significant backlash with possibly ugly racist undertones.

    Not only will casual fans and media ridicule his selection, but worst of all Lin's peer like other NBA players (including his own teammates in private), coaches, etc. will attack his selection.

    If you think the criticism of Lin's "ridiculous" contract this past off-season was bad, you ain't seen anything yet.

    All told, it would put Lin in a very bad spot and subject him to scrutiny and pressure BEYOND what he is dealing with now.

    That can't be good for Lin's development as a player, never mind his psyche and confidence.

    There's an old adage that offers a cautionary warning in this situation: Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

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    1. @Ixy:

      People vote for whoever they want to see in ASG. If that - as you claim - is grounds for backlash and attacks - you would have to do the explaining what is the basis for the backlash. Is it hatred, envy or racism? You understand that by giving in and not vote you basicly ask JLin to be the nice humble asian nerd who gives in to envy, hatred and racism.

      BTW - Melo was not the first and wont be the last guy to back of from his dumb statement about JLins contract. You really think JLin was the loser in that debate? I think Melo got a bad image from that debate - not Lin. So many people (journalists and people on the streets) came forward and said -> Im good with Lin getting his money.

      Some guy gets love from the people and everybody has to have an opinion on it? I dont think so.

      Again - haters will hate - unless JLin stops playing and becomes a wall street broker - or he keeps bringing the ball up the court and hides in the corners - haters are happy with that, too. You may want to see JLin like that but most fans dont.

      The NBA wants people to vote - otherwise they would simply pick players by their stats and whatnot. Who shoots best on every position, whos got the best +/- and normal people would have no say in this.

      Say what you want - IMHO you are just painting the devil on the wall cause you dont want to see Lin get votes for whatever reason (your self confident?). Otherwise you wouldnt pull phrases like "you aint seen nothing yet". That by the way is used in threats...

      Your "be careful what you wish for" is supposed to do what? Intimidate people? You dont want people to show their love? What are they to do? Hide it? Whats the point to hide your support when it comes to a popularity contest?

      How about "no risk no gain" or "only dead fish swim with the stream"? You dont want JLin to be the nail who sticks out - fine - but if he doesnt stick out he might as well play at the YMCA. You seem to love that idea...

      I want JLin to get votes so the dumb refs see who they are dealing with. In the eyes of fans -> JLin is untouchable. Players should learn that a backlash against Lin can cause a backlash itself (Melo). You wanna spread some hate - it will cost you dude...

      If he doesnt feel like partaking in the ASG he can still say he wants rest or needs to practice with his team. This way he gets to show how much people love him and what a great humble person he is.

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    2. Totally agree with WillyDilly. Stand up for what you believe in. No turning back.

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    3. Ixy, the keyword is "might" actually do some harm.

      The solution is very simple.
      1. Fans just need to do "the right thing" to vote for his favorite player.
      2. If Jeremy feels he undeservedly takes starter spot, he can do "the right thing" to decline. He gets to be the good guy among the media and other NBA players.

      It's win-win!

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    5. Also, another important benefit from unrelenting fan voting for JLin is NBA would know how much support JLin gets from fans around the world so it will do whatever's necessary to protect its "investment" from getting injured by asking refs to employ "Jordan rules".

      After all, the NBA likes its money in China very much!

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    6. @willydilly

      If Jeremy gets voted into the the ASG, you me and your grandmother will know it is simply because he is asian. If you don't like people judging you unfairly because of the color of your skin, likewise you should not favor someone merely because of the color of theirs.

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    7. @10/10

      What is it that you believe we should stand up for? That if we are discriminated against we should discriminate back? We are better than that.

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    8. Stand up for great basketball -- which Jeremy actually plays when given the chance -- see SPURS game. Stand up for a team player -- something Jeremy has been all season long -- witness him putting his body on the line night in and night out... How many charges has James Harden taken this year, even attempted to take? Stand up for the player you like JEREMY -- not because he's Asian -- god, i hope you don't like his play because he's Asian -- but because that's all that's required of you in ALL STAR voting as far as I know.

      Let me ask you this aside from the above... don't you think there are many black fans that will simply vote for James Harden because he is black and they think he plays well because he scores ... but they don't assess his poor defense and ball stopping the way I do. What of those votes? If those votes count, why are uninformed votes for Jeremy any different?

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    9. @10/10

      Thank you for your reply. I love Jeremy's team style of basketball and I love the fact that he puts his body on the line and is willing to take charges. However if Jeremy was black and I had to compare his body of work with Chris Paul's, I would have to give the nod to Chris Paul. Do you agree?

      I definitely do believe people vote for players like James Harden/Kobe Bryant/Lebron James,etc because they are black. I think many people liked Larry Bird because he was white. But just because other people are ignorant doesn't mean we should act the same.
      I personally do not believe James Harden is deserving of an All-Star bid this year because of his poor defense and high turnovers. I do think Kobe and CP3 are playing very well all around this year and are deserving of the starting spots.

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    10. Yes, I definitely agree with you Smoovies if we are assessing body of work... (but if Jeremy Lin were black would be discussing the same on court/coaching issues ... I doubt it) ... However, All Star balloting allows you to vote however you want and for whatever reason. I definitely agree that Asians or any other race for that matter should not vote for Jeremy because he is Asian. But I don't think there is anything wrong with voting for him the way the system is set up. Now does he deserve it based on body of work ... NO.

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  39. The establishment made the All STAR voting rules. And, it's the establishment that is putting the cuffs on LIN. Lets throw it back at them, and let them know we are ALL watching what is going on (please tell me why LINSANITY has been declared a fluke in many peoples heads, that a team couldn't rebuild that with him as the focal point, that Jeremy isn't better for a team than James Harden). I don't believe there is some criteria we are supposed to be using to vote here. So vote how you please.

    *please tell me why Jeremy Lin can't lead a team farther into the playoffs than James Harden or Carmelo Anthony? Who is making this judgement? (writers and coaches that tell us that JLIN needs to learn how to be a point guard when hes been a point guard since he was 7??? ... IT'S an OUTRAGEOUS INSULT. Would anybody have dared say Chris Paul or JKIDD needed to learn how to play point guard? or... turned them into a shooting guard if Prince James was on their team) And ... most of all WHY are these so called pundits choosing the negative rather than the positive?

    JLIN for PRESIDENT! ... Screw the Establishment!

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  40. Saying that China and Asia give incredible no. votes to Lin is like saying all of Europe votes for Nowitzki. This is a popular but urban myth.

    China and Taiwan has had a long history of potential warfare:
    http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking_news_detail.asp?id=27259 (how do you include a link?)
    In the sensationalist press, they claim that Taiwan is an American puppet full of warships and missiles ready to blow up the cities of Beijing and Shanghai. China recently built an aircraft carrier.

    I hope that Lin could be used to bring peace between these two countries like the 'ping pong' games which brought USA and China talking to each other in 1971.

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    1. Except that Dirk doesn't go across Europe promoting himself and Germany probably doesn't care enough about basketball to make a difference.

      Lin probably has gotten his votes from a combo of China, Taiwan, and USA.

      China vs Taiwan debate is irrelevant because whoever likes him can vote for him. Just like plenty of people from China probably voted for Kobe.

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  41. Many people don't know that Lin was born in LA but his parents/grandparents are famously Taiwan nationalistic.

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  42. It's still very early. Yi Jianlian was always 3rd among forwards in 2009, just right behind Kevin Garnet. A lot of people were complaining the same thing that Yi didn't deserve it and he ended up coming short in the votes.

    It will also be funny to see how 4chan's Operation: White Man Can Jump plays into the number of votes. They recently started, so we don't see the impact in these first released votes.

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  43. VOTE AWAY! You can vote online, via text (player's last name to 6-9-6-2-2) and twitter (Jeremy Lin #NBABALLOT)

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    1. I'm a fan, so i'm going to vote for the person I want playing in the all star game. That is all.

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