yet again why i believe a MDA + Lin reunion is the best for them both:
"Like, the coach actually cared about what plays I enjoy running, or that the coach would text me on a day off to see how I was feeling. That type of stuff was too good to be true." Lin was asked, "You had that with Mike D'Antoni, didn't you?" "But it was so short," Lin responded."
It would mean no shots, screaming from Kobe to pass him the ball (even if Lin IS passing Kobe the ball), constant benchings, and a benching behind Steve Nash!
There are 29 teams in the NBA. Any one of them, including the Bobcats and Wizards, would be better for Lin than the Lakers. I'd rather see Lin go back to the Knicks than be buried on the Lakers!!!
Bear in mind that I like the Lakers because I like ALL NBA teams, But I also don't want Lin to go to the worst possible situation in LA.
Fortunately, Houston likes Lin. He's not going anywhere, for multiple reasons discussed several times over.
KHuang, your talking about this year and i agree i dont see a trade happening at all. but if D Howard bails on the Lakers and you have an old, broken, Nash with a soon to retire kobe, MDA could easily hope to have Lin under him again and rebuild his offense around him.
i do think Pau will be traded eventually. Buss has been itching to trade Pau forever now and he doesn't fit at all in MDA's system.
if there's any other franchise type player Houston has a chance at it will be some kind of trade for Pau. i'm not saying this involves Jeremy, but you can't exclude the possibility.
pz, I can see the remote possibility for Lakers want to trade for JLin in 2-3 years if he becomes an All-Star but unfortunately, it takes two to tango. I don't see Houston giving up on JLin in the next 2-3 years.
JLin is a much more important player for Houston than he is for the Lakers and he fits into the New Age youth movement in Houston. I don't think Harden, Lin, Asik and Parsons are tradeable for anything less than LeBron.
The trade rumor is just strong because Pau was once traded to Houston already....and Jlin and D'Antoni seem a natural fit. When Nash hits 40 and Lin 26, you just never know. The Lakers want showtime and Howard is the star and Lin will make the engine run. There will be other elite pieces still around like an old Kobe if he takes a paycut etc..
There are many scenarios, I just believe things will work out for Lin to be there in LA, or if not LA, D'Antoni will one day land in Houston if Lin is there along with Harden, star PF, Asik etc for D'Antoni 2.0 after he wins a championship with the Lakers.
If a trade happens, it happens this summer or by the 2014 trade deadline, not this season. Also, Pau has to look expendable, and/or the Lakers have to struggle for them to consider this type of trade. If they win the trophy this yr and next, Lin could only get to LA via free agency as the Lakers will keep that core in tact.
If Lakers don't win this yr or if Pau looks weak, they don't want to lose Pau for nothing in a FA year and we'll see if they try to trade to Houston for Morris, Lin, White (to even the money out)and some other fillers to lead a D'Antoni bench unit.
I think it's more about Laker's trading for Pau to someone rather than it having to be Lin...I just believe a Pau trade is coming somewhere in the next 2 years unless they win championships.
Everyone knows with D'Antoni's offense, you don't need Pau & Dwight. You only need Dwight picking and rolling. The 4 man needs to spread the floor like a Morris while grabbing defensive rebounds.
Just let pz keep living in his 10 year old dream world while we are all living in the real life. No need to discuss his dream with him like it's an outright fact.
Also dont forget Dwight if he refuses to sign, might end up doing a sign and trade with a team like Houston to pair with Harden. That's where Lin, Asik and parts could get traded over too....just never know...
Yes swinglinezigzag, you "never know" when it comes to Dwight Howard who has EMPHATICALLY stated that he refuses to sign a long term deal with the Rockets.
I definitely don't want Lin with the Lakers, but his quote is right on and a deserving swipe at the Rockets (whether or not he means it to be).
In the long run, this rocky start with Hero Ball Harden might be a great thing for Jeremy...it'll cause him to get angry and "Hulk out" by taking a stronger role as team leader and playmaker. "I'm the point guard. I handle the ball unless I'm double-teamed. If you take bad shots, you're not getting the ball."
@swinglinezigzag - you got it my man! everyone forgets the Stern vetoed trade:
Dragic, Scola, KMart all for Pau. and people here think they'll never give up Jeremy. its silly.
especially if D Howard leaves, that leaves the Lakers with no future marketable player. they'll bring in stars no doubt but with MDA already there Jeremy is a great candidate.
also Jim Buss's decision, allegedly by Kupchak, was specifically to see a more up tempo game a la showtime. as of now aside from Nash, and Kobe, the rest of the pieces just don't fit the model.
Not everyone forgets the Stern veto. Let's play connect the dots and what if:
No veto, we get Pau. Lowry is our starting PG, and Jeremy Lin never gets waived. He plays in the PG focused offense, and in addition to Pau would have had Nene (this is conjecture, of course, but most sources point to it as having a high likelihood of happening) to pick n roll with.
Of course, Linsanity (as we know it) never happens, which means no $25M contract, so given that this is still a job (the best kind where it coincides with your dreams), while he would likely still be on the Rox, he would be making a fraction of what he is now. However, since he wouldn't have been "ridden like Secretariat", it's possible no knee surgery as well.
I believe cream rises to the top, and I think his talents would have eventually make it's way into the public eye. No Linsanity, but no unrealistic expectations either. No unrealistic pressure for him, so likely no going through whatever confidence-void hell he's parked in right now.
@Nom - the one thing i do believe is like Jeremy says, being an asian player he was always doubted and this would only have continued.
one thing jeremy's says about himself, which i believe to be true, is since he is not freakishly athletic, he can only be evaluated if you see him through the course of a full game playing at least 28+ minutes. otherwise to only judge him off of 3 on 3 scouting sessions or by what he can do in garbage time of a game doesn't show off his IQ and ability to lead an offense.
if shump, melo, baron, werent injured and D'Antoni had no other option but giving him these extra minutes wouldn't have happened, he was going to be cut and this has been admitted by MDA.
ya maybe he goes back to the d-league and gets picked up again, but then the same issue of playing garbage minutes. this isn't to say Linsanity would never have happened somewhere else, but you have to admit that opportunity to get those kind of minutes is rare at such a young age. NY definately was the fastest way to Linsanity, but otherwise it may have taken years before Jeremy got a chance to shine, although no doubt i believe eventually he would have.
Just because Houston was ready to make that trade with the completely unproven Dragic (playing like a scrub headed out of the NBA before McHale whipped him into shape), a petulant Lowry, and a defenseless Scola doesn't mean Les Alexander would jump to trade Lin to your Lakers.
Your problem is that you think people here are STUPID.
forget about Dragic and KMart, let's just look at Scola. average of 9 / year for 4 years. if you average out the years Jeremy is around 8 million / year for 3 years.
and you're saying houston would never trade jeremy on what basis?
Yes, You know what should happen? D'Antoni should get fired in LA in a few months....Dolan will rehire D'Antoni..then trade Felton for Lin. Melo would be traded for Dwight Howard. Lin back with the Knicks with Dantoni!!!
Let me guess - you are a new yorker :) so you want him back in NYC :)
The article answers a lot of questions but Im pretty sure most people here wont even read it. Some come here to just find an opportunity to bash JLin - claiming hes below average - claiming they shoot and play better than JLin - claiming JLin has no balls - claiming his "asian character" is not made for competetive sports - claiming a bad knee is no excuse. Same BS all the time from people who dont get enough attention and respect in life...
@pz, I was being sarcastic. There's no way Jlin is getting traded for at least 2 years. Houston has too much invested in him and I think it's pointless to fantasize. I would love for a Dantoni/Lin reunion, but the likelihood of that happening is nil. I think the Rockets are a good organization for him right now especially after reading the article (ie time to develop, grow with the team, etc). Our expectations of him (including my own) have been way blown out of proportion.
It has been repeatedly explained to you that Lin is great value for his $25 million.
Don't blame people here if Lin NOT being traded doesn't fulfill your Lakers fantasy. We have nothing to do with Lin not being traded, and we have nothing to do with yout fantasy.
i leave one question, show me who has had more enthusiasm publicly about Jeremy, McHale or MDA? who do you think really wants them running their offense?
The answer to your question is that in real life it DOESN'T MATTER.
Lin is fine right where he is learning from the best. Mike DAntoni is fine where he is coaching the best.
I'm sick of talking about fake trades involving the Lakers, I'm sick of people playing dolls with real NBA players, anf I don't live life worrying about the word "If".
Damn, Lin is a Rocket. Deal with it. No need to pollute every thread with your posts with the same topic again and again. No one wants to discuss with you anymore. Discuss something when it is actually happening, that is Lin in Houston.
@pz, I think you are missing the point here. Let me ask this question. Daryl Morey, the GM, has PUBLICLY announced that he made a mistake by letting Jlin go. He has PUBLICLY defended Lin: http://dimemag.com/2012/11/houston-gm-defends-jeremy-lins-turnovers/ . What makes you think that he wants to look like a fool again? Morey (who recommended Lin to Alexander) and Alexander have both PUBLICLY supported Lin. What makes you think that they want to both look like fools by trading Jlin and so PUBLICLY supporting him after one month/7 games into the season? It's not realistic and not happening.
KHuang its not about the lakers man. it's about MDA. you can't tell me there isn't a coach Jeremy would rather play for than MDA. i was actually hoping McHale would get fired and bring MDA to Houston. this is a jeremy fan site not the lakers and the point of jeremy going the lakers is to be with the coach that let him do what he does best. i'm all for bringing MDA to houston too, but after the weekend surprise that aint happening.
@cara there isn't a better distraction from work then coming here and debating this stuff. its cute you think i'm 10 and i'm flattered someone thinks i have an ounce of childhood left in me. no one's insulting jeremy by talking about a trade. the posting was about an article that happened to have high praise for MDA and anytime that subject is brought up, the idea of them reuniting is always up for discussion. in almost a gay way, i think they both are meant for each other.
@pz, HUGE difference between the "interim" head coach saying something as opposed to the owner and GM. You are right to a certain extent- talk is cheap unless backed by actions. Last time I checked, Houston offered Jlin 25 million guaranteed...that speaks volumes to me. If Kupchack had said that and offered Brown a 3 year guaranteed contract for 7 million a year, and then fired him...I might agree with you now.
@jlinsuperhero - i would agree if it was a different organization. the fact is they made a similar contract with scola who they amnestied with no hesitation all for making room for dwight howard who never came. the rockets front office is pretty fickle if you ask me.
@pz, Scola's not a great example. He was part of the Yao/Tracy era and it did not make sense to bring him back. Morey's plans were to rebuild into a contendor. Also, it's not like they got rid of him a month into the season. It was 2 years later...2 years later Jlin will be re-evaluated and it's possible he might be traded than if he isn't considered key to the team. However, it's not happening now as I've said many times.
@jlinisasuperhero - no i think the main reason to amnesty Scola was allegedly he was very sour about vetoed trade. actually all of them were and its probably part of the reason the rumors of McHale losing rapport with his players started coming out. as you can tell, none of the players involved in the trade are back for a reason, they felt betrayed by McHale.
McHale loves Pau and I think he'll go to extremes to get a big man like him. McHales offense caters especially to versatile big men like Pau and Garnett.
I don't think a Lin-Dantoni pairing is necessarily going to make Lin a better player.
Lin needs to work on his off the ball game. That sounds strange considering he was an off guard in college, but NBA is different. It doesn't matter who's coaching.
As for the ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS notion that Lin is imminently going to get traded to the Lakers, that would be the WORST thing for Lin. Being buried behind Kobe, Gasol, and Howard on the shot chart is TOTALLY FATAL to Lin's NBA career. Lin will be lucky to get 5 shots on that ball hogging team. Fortunately, that nightmarish fandream won't happen.
Let's not forget that Houston kicked Lin out exactly a year ago. When somebody kicks me out and then takes me back in, I'm leery at first.
Lin did play good with D'Antoni, he also played well under Woodson, he played good under Eric Musselman of the D-league Reno Bighorns. Jeremy can play with almost any coach with any style. Just give him time, he's a good learner.
Thanks for the article jlinfan. That is what i wanted to know. Coach believes in him, he believes in coach. Now we just have to wait jeremy get better phisically and then he'll run the show.
Jeremy is good in houston so let's hope he'll shine out there. Khuang is right, houston is the best team for jeremy now. But please coach.... Give him the ball in his hands....
@khuang, it's not my theory to disprove or prove. @Cara, mchale didn't pay lin. Coaches always want control of the front office. Ask Phil Jackson. Looking at the way the playbook is designed so far I have serious doubts about mchale confidence in Lin. Behind the scenes don't know his thinking. But as an observer of the games played so far, proof is not in the pudding.
agreed @mt. the proof is in previous pudding. McHales systems favor big men and a strong wing player, not a PG. i don't think its necessarily about not trusting Jeremy but its more about not delegating a lot of responsibilities to the PG as a playmaker.
"It wasn't like I worried they were going to cut me," Lin said. "But it just seemed too good to be true. Like, the coach actually cared about what plays I enjoy running, or that the coach would text me on a day off to see how I was feeling. That type of stuff was too good to be true."
That's the part i like the most and make me hope for the future....
And last season McHale handed the team over to Lowry (who acted like a pissant upon being given that responsibility) and later Dragic (the only solid stretch of his entire NBA career - the true flash in the pan compared to Lin.)
McHale, like most NBA coaches, designs his offense based on the personnel he's handed. Since he's not a GM anymore, he can't just trade everybody off the team they way Don Nelson or Larry Brown would.
So CONSTRAINED is McHale's power in Houston that he has two or three assistants working for him that are essentially designated successors to his head coaching slot. Thus leaning on McHale to get Lin traded to the Lakers won't work.
On a site note, did you guys notice Royce White's twitter war? He's reportedly crying over his lack of playing time and openly attacking the Rockets affecting his anxiety disorders!
You guys here want Lin to do the same to blackmail the Rockets for having the ball more in his hands?! Lol.
Royce White is the modern day Vassilis Spanoulis!!!
At least Spanoulis had game, as well as a legitimate gripe with coach Jeff Van Gundy. Personally, I think that Van Gundy's poor handling of Spanoulis is a major reason why Van Gundy no longer coaches for the Rockets or for any other team in the NBA.
Owner Les Alexander managed to salvage Spanoulis by trading him to the Spurs for Luis Scola who the Spurs "didn't want" according to ex Spurs center Fabricio Oberto.
Since I'm in a HORRIBLE mood from all of the BS spewed here by Lakers fans trying to get Lin for nothing, I'll join the fray:
Trade Royce White to LA for Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol!!!!
Royce White really has talent and could have been awesome down the line if he was an intelligent person without personal and health issues. Royce is a flameout who will either be cut or traded as an expiring contract or a piece just to make the trade even out money wise. How sad...What a waste of talent and what a waste of a pick for Houston.
Houston definitely is a gambling team trying to strike gold with what everyone else thinks is second rate talent. I still believe Lin can be that 1 time exception being the undervalued Asian face player with an A game. Show me something before the year is over Lin. I'll give you the entire season to get your head/game together.
If he is still playing like he is now during next season, I will truly have reason to worry he won't regain his form and was indeed an overrated bench scrub. It would be shocking indeed.
swinglinezigzag, it would be shocking because it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Lin has too much game, even right now. Thanks in no small part to him, his Rockets teammates outside of Harden are benefitting from Lin's presence in both ends of the court.
Anytime now, Lin is going to EXPLODE. I see so many signs of things coming together for him. He's realizing that the Rockets DO believe in him provided that he believes in himself!!!
Have no fear. Lin is going to attack and score big. He'll likely do it in the next few games. And there's no turning back once Lin finds his pace.
I've written before that McHale has championship expectations for Lin. Before our eyes, Lin is maturing with McHale's tutelage. Lin will reach that form within the next few games!!!
I hope you are right. Scoring makes stars of players in the NBA but I don't care if Lin scores a lot. He can be like Rondo or Kidd if that's what he is, I just want to see him have a real impact and affect the game in a good way. Realistically I give him till all-star break to get in form. It's just painful game to game, but I realize the guy needs some time to put it together.
The Rockets are currently borderline unwatchable. I hope that changes soon too.
If Lin explodes then it won't happen. But if Lin doesn't, then anything is possible. Business is business. Lin's value to Les is also dependent on Lin's performance. If Lin is not producing as expected then I'm sure Les would have second thoughts. He wants a championship in Houston evidenced by all the dealings so far. Allegiance to Lin by Les goes in so far as Lin is producing at a star level. Mediocre level doesn't make Les much money. Even though les is owner, at some point there is autonomy dealt to his officials, otherwise it would not be a destination hire for prospective coaches and gms. So Les recognizes that. That's why you don't see Linsanity on replay. So who is really running the show here? Because if it is Les, it is counterintuitive thinking. Thus it has to be the coach or the gm. There is something brewing in Texas. So stay tuned.
No need to feel bad KHuang. After I saw some of the nonsense spewed here, I turned it off, hehe. Boy, folks can get so emotional after one game. The journey is like a thousand miles, and Lin has only set foot on a few stones. He will turn the corner and learn from his experience.
Yes, JLin is not at his best yet. Yes, I agree there are some issues with him and Harden in the way they are playing. But a solution will surface sooner or later. For the Rockets to succeed, the both of them need each other. And only time will show the way.
I'm absolutely optimistic about Lin doing better and better. I see that from game to game, and when he does make mistakes, those are all lessons. For those who are smart, failure is the fastest path to success. When you fail, you know you've tried, and when you fail, you know not to repeat it. The smart ones learn, and we all know Lin is smart. :)
As I said before, the mind is the most powerful tool, and success is within almost everyone's reach. It's just a matter of going out there and taking it. I foresee JLin working harder and smarter and finding his way to success. It may even happen tonight! :)
I don't think Lin himself realizes that he HAS to be great to succeed in the NBA.
Instinctively, he totally gets it. The moment Lin fully realizes that, the swagger will be back and the game will improve by itself.
No player I've ever seen in the NBA has battled as much negativity as Lin has. Not by a longshot. Everybody is indeed targeting him because of his race, just like he said.
But in a few words, he basically said what I've said to haters that threatened me: BRING IT ON!!!
All of those great opponents bringing their A game against Lin means that they're PREPARING HIM for GREATNESS!!!
The good thing is, just based on watching as a casual observer/fan looking from afar is that I believe McHale is fine with Lin and hopes Lin can succeed. You just get the feeling he's "ok" with Lin, pretty much impartial and open minded about Lin.
Sampson sounds like an uninformed idiot when he's talked about Lin and I really don't think he thinks much of Lin and never will. I have NO CLUE what the other coaches think of Lin so it's hard to know what is going on. I also think Morey is obsessed with proving Harden is Kobe Jr and so the Front Office's agenda to the coaching staff is to make Harden look like a star at all costs. Morey has gone on a limb saying Harden is their 2013 All Star for the Houston game. There is pressure for everyone to make that happen even if it means losing games.
Everything Mchale has said from day 1 is "ball movement, swing the ball, don't stick, pass, hit the open guy, make simple plays." But the product on the court with Harden is completely opposite of that esp. in the 4th Quarter. So there is some internal strife going on with that organization right now. Something obviously isn't right.
I think Lin simply needs to prove to McHale that Lin is capable of leading and making big plays for them to trust Lin more. Mchale's style is old school and I agree Lin will become a better player over time with Mchale's style. D'Antoni's style masks Lin's weaknesses and Mchale's exposes them forcing Lin to be better all around which will help as Lin loses athleticism due to age.
As a 3rd party observer, I truly don't think Morey is high on Lin or cares if Lin looks good. It's obvious because there is no Front Office mandate to make Lin look good or give him the ball. The Front Office dictates to coaching staffs what they want, and what they want is Harden ball.
At the same time, Morey can't trade Lin anytime soon to LA because imagine if Linsanity 2.0 actually took off...Les Alexander would FIRE Morey if that happened this year or next. The only way Morey can get away with getting rid of Lin is if they make their Houston team ALOT better at the same time so Les and others don't mind losing Lin in the process.
I have a bad feeling Mchale might not return or get fired. If they put Sampson in place, that would suck...I know this sounds racist, but besides Tommy Amaker, Lin seems to play better for white coaches and embraces them more, and Lin's white coaches seem to appreciate what he does more as well...I'm of the belief that Amaker only played Lin at Harvard because he was clearly head and shoulders better than everyone and Amaker had no other option than Lin but we'll never know.
With the Houston Rockets, Les Alexander is the ONLY voice that counts.
It doesn't matter what people think say or do. Les is the owner and Lin is Les's guy.
That said, it's not the coaches' responsibility to make Lin attack. Only LIN can make that decision for himself.
This is the NBA. Unless it's a Larry Brown team we're talking about, coaches shift their gameplans based on who's attacking and producing. No attacking from Lin means no coaching thrown his way, AS IT SHOULD BE!
pz, this is the original quote from the article which he thinks Houston is a better fit. The coach he is referring to are coach from Rockets.
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Fame had come so fast, so without warning, it hasn't been until training camp and starting the season with Houston that Lin has finally breathed out, finally understood he had found a franchise that will let him grow, let him make his mistakes, let him be. "It wasn't like I worried they were going to cut me," Lin said. "But it just seemed too good to be true. Like, the coach actually cared about what plays I enjoy running, or that the coach would text me on a day off to see how I was feeling. That type of stuff was too good to be true." Lin was asked, "You had that with Mike D'Antoni, didn't you?" "But it was so short," Lin responded. And when Mike Woodson took over? "It changed," Lin said. "Different style, different coach."
Sorry buddy, I didn't see the game because I was hard at work all day and last night.
The Rockets have been STELLAR on defense, better than I even thought they would be. Lin is THE big reason why, as it's virtually impossible for people to beat him off the dribble and he can elevate to block people (ask Lebron).
I may not like how Lin is playing tentatively on offense, but he's so good and active on defense that he doesn't have to be. With the Rockets winning and staying competitive, I'm not as gung ho about Lin getting great scoring numbers as a lot of people are.
All I want is for Lin to stop jacking up 3s, to start really moving without the ball more effectively, and camp out in the midrange that is still the most effective scoring range in basketball because of the limitless options it produces.
Today's players, Lin included, shun the midrange. But only by mastering the midrange game can players step out to the 3 point line or drive in for layups!
Those advanced stats approach hurt players more than help them. Layups or 3 pointers are deemed as more effective shots than mid range jumpers in those advanced stats research. It's unlucky that Lin got into Morey's rubbish when Morey knows nothing about basketball.
yet again why i believe a MDA + Lin reunion is the best for them both:
ReplyDelete"Like, the coach actually cared about what plays I enjoy running, or that the coach would text me on a day off to see how I was feeling. That type of stuff was too good to be true."
Lin was asked, "You had that with Mike D'Antoni, didn't you?"
"But it was so short," Lin responded."
Can you just give it up?
DeleteYou must think you know Lin better than himself too, am I right?
i'm quoting Jeremy from the article Cara ... chill out
DeleteLin couldn't go to a WORSE TEAM than the Lakers.
DeleteIt would mean no shots, screaming from Kobe to pass him the ball (even if Lin IS passing Kobe the ball), constant benchings, and a benching behind Steve Nash!
There are 29 teams in the NBA. Any one of them, including the Bobcats and Wizards, would be better for Lin than the Lakers. I'd rather see Lin go back to the Knicks than be buried on the Lakers!!!
Bear in mind that I like the Lakers because I like ALL NBA teams, But I also don't want Lin to go to the worst possible situation in LA.
Fortunately, Houston likes Lin. He's not going anywhere, for multiple reasons discussed several times over.
29 "other" teams
DeleteKHuang, your talking about this year and i agree i dont see a trade happening at all. but if D Howard bails on the Lakers and you have an old, broken, Nash with a soon to retire kobe, MDA could easily hope to have Lin under him again and rebuild his offense around him.
DeleteWish away, then.
DeleteGo ahead. Indulge your fantasy over years if that's what suits you. You can mentally trade for Lin all you want.
Me and the other members here will stick to REAL LIFE, which is Lin as a Houston Rocket for the foreseeable future.
i do think Pau will be traded eventually. Buss has been itching to trade Pau forever now and he doesn't fit at all in MDA's system.
Deleteif there's any other franchise type player Houston has a chance at it will be some kind of trade for Pau. i'm not saying this involves Jeremy, but you can't exclude the possibility.
pz, I can see the remote possibility for Lakers want to trade for JLin in 2-3 years if he becomes an All-Star but unfortunately, it takes two to tango. I don't see Houston giving up on JLin in the next 2-3 years.
DeleteJLin is a much more important player for Houston than he is for the Lakers and he fits into the New Age youth movement in Houston. I don't think Harden, Lin, Asik and Parsons are tradeable for anything less than LeBron.
Nothing wrong with you thinking Lin's gonna be a Laker and me thinking Lin's gonna stay a Rocket.
DeleteThe trade rumor is just strong because Pau was once traded to Houston already....and Jlin and D'Antoni seem a natural fit. When Nash hits 40 and Lin 26, you just never know.
DeleteThe Lakers want showtime and Howard is the star and Lin will make the engine run. There will be other elite pieces still around like an old Kobe if he takes a paycut etc..
There are many scenarios, I just believe things will work out for Lin to be there in LA, or if not LA, D'Antoni will one day land in Houston if Lin is there along with Harden, star PF, Asik etc for D'Antoni 2.0 after he wins a championship with the Lakers.
If a trade happens, it happens this summer or by the 2014 trade deadline, not this season. Also, Pau has to look expendable, and/or the Lakers have to struggle for them to consider this type of trade. If they win the trophy this yr and next, Lin could only get to LA via free agency as the Lakers will keep that core in tact.
If Lakers don't win this yr or if Pau looks weak, they don't want to lose Pau for nothing in a FA year and we'll see if they try to trade to Houston for Morris, Lin, White (to even the money out)and some other fillers to lead a D'Antoni bench unit.
I think it's more about Laker's trading for Pau to someone rather than it having to be Lin...I just believe a Pau trade is coming somewhere in the next 2 years unless they win championships.
Everyone knows with D'Antoni's offense, you don't need Pau & Dwight. You only need Dwight picking and rolling. The 4 man needs to spread the floor like a Morris while grabbing defensive rebounds.
Just let pz keep living in his 10 year old dream world while we are all living in the real life. No need to discuss his dream with him like it's an outright fact.
DeleteAlso dont forget Dwight if he refuses to sign, might end up doing a sign and trade with a team like Houston to pair with Harden. That's where Lin, Asik and parts could get traded over too....just never know...
DeleteYes swinglinezigzag, you "never know" when it comes to Dwight Howard who has EMPHATICALLY stated that he refuses to sign a long term deal with the Rockets.
DeleteI definitely don't want Lin with the Lakers, but his quote is right on and a deserving swipe at the Rockets (whether or not he means it to be).
DeleteIn the long run, this rocky start with Hero Ball Harden might be a great thing for Jeremy...it'll cause him to get angry and "Hulk out" by taking a stronger role as team leader and playmaker. "I'm the point guard. I handle the ball unless I'm double-teamed. If you take bad shots, you're not getting the ball."
@swinglinezigzag - you got it my man! everyone forgets the Stern vetoed trade:
DeleteDragic, Scola, KMart all for Pau. and people here think they'll never give up Jeremy. its silly.
especially if D Howard leaves, that leaves the Lakers with no future marketable player. they'll bring in stars no doubt but with MDA already there Jeremy is a great candidate.
also Jim Buss's decision, allegedly by Kupchak, was specifically to see a more up tempo game a la showtime. as of now aside from Nash, and Kobe, the rest of the pieces just don't fit the model.
@pz
DeleteNot everyone forgets the Stern veto. Let's play connect the dots and what if:
No veto, we get Pau. Lowry is our starting PG, and Jeremy Lin never gets waived. He plays in the PG focused offense, and in addition to Pau would have had Nene (this is conjecture, of course, but most sources point to it as having a high likelihood of happening) to pick n roll with.
Of course, Linsanity (as we know it) never happens, which means no $25M contract, so given that this is still a job (the best kind where it coincides with your dreams), while he would likely still be on the Rox, he would be making a fraction of what he is now. However, since he wouldn't have been "ridden like Secretariat", it's possible no knee surgery as well.
I believe cream rises to the top, and I think his talents would have eventually make it's way into the public eye. No Linsanity, but no unrealistic expectations either. No unrealistic pressure for him, so likely no going through whatever confidence-void hell he's parked in right now.
Which path would have been better for his career?
@Nom - the one thing i do believe is like Jeremy says, being an asian player he was always doubted and this would only have continued.
Deleteone thing jeremy's says about himself, which i believe to be true, is since he is not freakishly athletic, he can only be evaluated if you see him through the course of a full game playing at least 28+ minutes. otherwise to only judge him off of 3 on 3 scouting sessions or by what he can do in garbage time of a game doesn't show off his IQ and ability to lead an offense.
if shump, melo, baron, werent injured and D'Antoni had no other option but giving him these extra minutes wouldn't have happened, he was going to be cut and this has been admitted by MDA.
ya maybe he goes back to the d-league and gets picked up again, but then the same issue of playing garbage minutes. this isn't to say Linsanity would never have happened somewhere else, but you have to admit that opportunity to get those kind of minutes is rare at such a young age. NY definately was the fastest way to Linsanity, but otherwise it may have taken years before Jeremy got a chance to shine, although no doubt i believe eventually he would have.
We're nowhere as dumb as you say we are, pz.
DeleteJust because Houston was ready to make that trade with the completely unproven Dragic (playing like a scrub headed out of the NBA before McHale whipped him into shape), a petulant Lowry, and a defenseless Scola doesn't mean Les Alexander would jump to trade Lin to your Lakers.
Your problem is that you think people here are STUPID.
forget about Dragic and KMart, let's just look at Scola. average of 9 / year for 4 years. if you average out the years Jeremy is around 8 million / year for 3 years.
Deleteand you're saying houston would never trade jeremy on what basis?
There are no "what ifs" in the NBA, pz.
DeleteThus pretending that reality doesn't exist is a FAIL.
i'm just trying to understand that you believe Jeremy is untradable - which yes is pretty naive, not stupid, stupid is stupid does.
DeleteLin is untradeable to your Lakers, for many reasons that have been repeatedly explained to you.
DeleteAnything can happen, and anything can NOT happen.
Get used to it. Get over it. Lin is JUST FINE on the Rockets.
Yes,
ReplyDeleteYou know what should happen? D'Antoni should get fired in LA in a few months....Dolan will rehire D'Antoni..then trade Felton for Lin. Melo would be traded for Dwight Howard. Lin back with the Knicks with Dantoni!!!
lol doubt that. actually i don't doubt MDA could get fired or walk away again if ish hits the fan in LA.
Deletethe more likely case of a MDA & Lin reunion will be next year if MDA stays as head coach on the Lakers and there are pieces for a trade on both sides.
Let me guess - you are a new yorker :) so you want him back in NYC :)
DeleteThe article answers a lot of questions but Im pretty sure most people here wont even read it. Some come here to just find an opportunity to bash JLin - claiming hes below average - claiming they shoot and play better than JLin - claiming JLin has no balls - claiming his "asian character" is not made for competetive sports - claiming a bad knee is no excuse. Same BS all the time from people who dont get enough attention and respect in life...
@pz,
DeleteI was being sarcastic. There's no way Jlin is getting traded for at least 2 years. Houston has too much invested in him and I think it's pointless to fantasize. I would love for a Dantoni/Lin reunion, but the likelihood of that happening is nil.
I think the Rockets are a good organization for him right now especially after reading the article (ie time to develop, grow with the team, etc). Our expectations of him (including my own) have been way blown out of proportion.
what has houston invested in Jeremy that makes him untouchable for a trade? i don't understand why people here believe he's completely untouchable?
DeleteIt has been repeatedly explained to you that Lin is great value for his $25 million.
DeleteDon't blame people here if Lin NOT being traded doesn't fulfill your Lakers fantasy. We have nothing to do with Lin not being traded, and we have nothing to do with yout fantasy.
my fantasies involve kate upton not the Lakers.
Deletei leave one question, show me who has had more enthusiasm publicly about Jeremy, McHale or MDA? who do you think really wants them running their offense?
The answer to your question is that in real life it DOESN'T MATTER.
DeleteLin is fine right where he is learning from the best. Mike DAntoni is fine where he is coaching the best.
I'm sick of talking about fake trades involving the Lakers, I'm sick of people playing dolls with real NBA players, anf I don't live life worrying about the word "If".
Damn, Lin is a Rocket. Deal with it. No need to pollute every thread with your posts with the same topic again and again. No one wants to discuss with you anymore. Discuss something when it is actually happening, that is Lin in Houston.
DeleteKate upton, Lin, and Lakers fantasies... yummy!
Delete@pz,
DeleteI think you are missing the point here. Let me ask this question. Daryl Morey, the GM, has PUBLICLY announced that he made a mistake by letting Jlin go. He has PUBLICLY defended Lin: http://dimemag.com/2012/11/houston-gm-defends-jeremy-lins-turnovers/ . What makes you think that he wants to look like a fool again? Morey (who recommended Lin to Alexander) and Alexander have both PUBLICLY supported Lin. What makes you think that they want to both look like fools by trading Jlin and so PUBLICLY supporting him after one month/7 games into the season? It's not realistic and not happening.
@cara, to each his own opinions. You're awfully damning with all your high and mighty talks. Chill out.
DeleteAnd I'm just as sick of the FAKE Lakers fantasies as Cara is.
DeleteThat's MY opinion, and I agree with Cara and not you MT.
@khuang, that's fine. but let the man speak..
DeleteAnd as pz keeps fantasizing about them fake Laker trades, I and Cara and others will keep reminding people that Lin is a Rocket NOW.
DeleteKHuang its not about the lakers man. it's about MDA. you can't tell me there isn't a coach Jeremy would rather play for than MDA. i was actually hoping McHale would get fired and bring MDA to Houston. this is a jeremy fan site not the lakers and the point of jeremy going the lakers is to be with the coach that let him do what he does best. i'm all for bringing MDA to houston too, but after the weekend surprise that aint happening.
Deleteand @cara, seriously chill out. there is no
@cara there isn't a better distraction from work then coming here and debating this stuff. its cute you think i'm 10 and i'm flattered someone thinks i have an ounce of childhood left in me. no one's insulting jeremy by talking about a trade. the posting was about an article that happened to have high praise for MDA and anytime that subject is brought up, the idea of them reuniting is always up for discussion. in almost a gay way, i think they both are meant for each other.
Delete@jlinisasuperhero - just because Morey said that means absolutely nothing.
DeleteWoodson said Knick would match "up to a billion" for jeremy and promised would "absolutely be back".
Just last week the day before Mike Brown was fired, Kuptchak was talking about how safe Brown was.
if there's one lesson sports teaches kids all across the world, it's DONT TRUST ANYONE.
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Delete"Don't trust anyone?"
DeleteThat's a hard way to live life. REALLY HARD. I wouldn't recommend that for anyone.
How about "accept life as it comes and move accordingly"? That's a healthier, happier, easier approach!
@pz,
DeleteHUGE difference between the "interim" head coach saying something as opposed to the owner and GM. You are right to a certain extent- talk is cheap unless backed by actions. Last time I checked, Houston offered Jlin 25 million guaranteed...that speaks volumes to me. If Kupchack had said that and offered Brown a 3 year guaranteed contract for 7 million a year, and then fired him...I might agree with you now.
@jlinsuperhero - i would agree if it was a different organization. the fact is they made a similar contract with scola who they amnestied with no hesitation all for making room for dwight howard who never came. the rockets front office is pretty fickle if you ask me.
Delete@pz,
DeleteScola's not a great example. He was part of the Yao/Tracy era and it did not make sense to bring him back. Morey's plans were to rebuild into a contendor. Also, it's not like they got rid of him a month into the season. It was 2 years later...2 years later Jlin will be re-evaluated and it's possible he might be traded than if he isn't considered key to the team. However, it's not happening now as I've said many times.
@jlinisasuperhero - no i think the main reason to amnesty Scola was allegedly he was very sour about vetoed trade. actually all of them were and its probably part of the reason the rumors of McHale losing rapport with his players started coming out. as you can tell, none of the players involved in the trade are back for a reason, they felt betrayed by McHale.
DeleteMcHale loves Pau and I think he'll go to extremes to get a big man like him. McHales offense caters especially to versatile big men like Pau and Garnett.
@pz
DeleteSomething for you to watch during half time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcJScBLIEX4
@Nom - bro, i've watched that so many times .. never gets old ;-D
DeleteI don't think a Lin-Dantoni pairing is necessarily going to make Lin a better player.
ReplyDeleteLin needs to work on his off the ball game. That sounds strange considering he was an off guard in college, but NBA is different. It doesn't matter who's coaching.
As for the ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS notion that Lin is imminently going to get traded to the Lakers, that would be the WORST thing for Lin. Being buried behind Kobe, Gasol, and Howard on the shot chart is TOTALLY FATAL to Lin's NBA career. Lin will be lucky to get 5 shots on that ball hogging team. Fortunately, that nightmarish fandream won't happen.
Let's not forget that Houston kicked Lin out exactly a year ago. When somebody kicks me out and then takes me back in, I'm leery at first.
Lin did play good with D'Antoni, he also played well under Woodson, he played good under Eric Musselman of the D-league Reno Bighorns. Jeremy can play with almost any coach with any style. Just give him time, he's a good learner.
ReplyDeleteHe's playing pretty well in Houston so far, and he's on the verge of playing GREAT.
DeleteA breakout can happen anytime now. Li is READY.
Here's another article that make sense for Lin to stay in Houston.
ReplyDeletehttp://bleacherreport.com/articles/1408487-houston-rockets-are-a-free-agent-destination-with-jeremy-lin-and-james-harden
Thanks for the article jlinfan. That is what i wanted to know. Coach believes in him, he believes in coach. Now we just have to wait jeremy get better phisically and then he'll run the show.
ReplyDeleteJeremy is good in houston so let's hope he'll shine out there. Khuang is right, houston is the best team for jeremy now. But please coach.... Give him the ball in his hands....
What makes you believe Mchale believes in Lin?
DeleteWhat makes you believe McHale DOESN'T believe in Lin - especially since Lin is starting and getting minutes?
DeleteBecause McHale and the Rockets paid Lin more than any other teams wanted to and also plays Lin over 35 mpg every game?
Delete@khuang, it's not my theory to disprove or prove. @Cara, mchale didn't pay lin. Coaches always want control of the front office. Ask Phil Jackson. Looking at the way the playbook is designed so far I have serious doubts about mchale confidence in Lin. Behind the scenes don't know his thinking. But as an observer of the games played so far, proof is not in the pudding.
DeleteIf a coach calls his player in a non-training-day just for ask: "how you feel?" to me means he believes in him.
DeleteMaybe, and i repeat maybe, he doesn't want to give jeremy the ball because he's not fit yet...
Let's wait and see and support of course ... That's all we can do
agreed @mt. the proof is in previous pudding. McHales systems favor big men and a strong wing player, not a PG. i don't think its necessarily about not trusting Jeremy but its more about not delegating a lot of responsibilities to the PG as a playmaker.
Delete"It wasn't like I worried they were going to cut me," Lin said. "But it just seemed too good to be true. Like, the coach actually cared about what plays I enjoy running, or that the coach would text me on a day off to see how I was feeling. That type of stuff was too good to be true."
DeleteThat's the part i like the most and make me hope for the future....
And last season McHale handed the team over to Lowry (who acted like a pissant upon being given that responsibility) and later Dragic (the only solid stretch of his entire NBA career - the true flash in the pan compared to Lin.)
DeleteMcHale, like most NBA coaches, designs his offense based on the personnel he's handed. Since he's not a GM anymore, he can't just trade everybody off the team they way Don Nelson or Larry Brown would.
So CONSTRAINED is McHale's power in Houston that he has two or three assistants working for him that are essentially designated successors to his head coaching slot. Thus leaning on McHale to get Lin traded to the Lakers won't work.
don't forget Lowry and Dragic had a career year last season playing in McHale's system.
DeleteThe cream will rise to the top. JLin is the PG cream and Harden is the SG cream.
On a site note, did you guys notice Royce White's twitter war? He's reportedly crying over his lack of playing time and openly attacking the Rockets affecting his anxiety disorders!
ReplyDeleteYou guys here want Lin to do the same to blackmail the Rockets for having the ball more in his hands?! Lol.
Jeez.
DeleteRoyce White is the modern day Vassilis Spanoulis!!!
At least Spanoulis had game, as well as a legitimate gripe with coach Jeff Van Gundy. Personally, I think that Van Gundy's poor handling of Spanoulis is a major reason why Van Gundy no longer coaches for the Rockets or for any other team in the NBA.
Owner Les Alexander managed to salvage Spanoulis by trading him to the Spurs for Luis Scola who the Spurs "didn't want" according to ex Spurs center Fabricio Oberto.
Since I'm in a HORRIBLE mood from all of the BS spewed here by Lakers fans trying to get Lin for nothing, I'll join the fray:
Trade Royce White to LA for Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol!!!!
GRRRR....
Maybe Royce White would want to join his fellow teammates in the D-League. He'll get playing time there.
DeleteRoyce White really has talent and could have been awesome down the line if he was an intelligent person without personal and health issues. Royce is a flameout who will either be cut or traded as an expiring contract or a piece just to make the trade even out money wise. How sad...What a waste of talent and what a waste of a pick for Houston.
DeleteHouston definitely is a gambling team trying to strike gold with what everyone else thinks is second rate talent. I still believe Lin can be that 1 time exception being the undervalued Asian face player with an A game. Show me something before the year is over Lin. I'll give you the entire season to get your head/game together.
If he is still playing like he is now during next season, I will truly have reason to worry he won't regain his form and was indeed an overrated bench scrub. It would be shocking indeed.
swinglinezigzag, it would be shocking because it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
DeleteLin has too much game, even right now. Thanks in no small part to him, his Rockets teammates outside of Harden are benefitting from Lin's presence in both ends of the court.
Anytime now, Lin is going to EXPLODE. I see so many signs of things coming together for him. He's realizing that the Rockets DO believe in him provided that he believes in himself!!!
Have no fear. Lin is going to attack and score big. He'll likely do it in the next few games. And there's no turning back once Lin finds his pace.
I've written before that McHale has championship expectations for Lin. Before our eyes, Lin is maturing with McHale's tutelage. Lin will reach that form within the next few games!!!
I hope you are right. Scoring makes stars of players in the NBA but I don't care if Lin scores a lot. He can be like Rondo or Kidd if that's what he is, I just want to see him have a real impact and affect the game in a good way. Realistically I give him till all-star break to get in form. It's just painful game to game, but I realize the guy needs some time to put it together.
DeleteThe Rockets are currently borderline unwatchable. I hope that changes soon too.
If Lin explodes then it won't happen. But if Lin doesn't, then anything is possible. Business is business. Lin's value to Les is also dependent on Lin's performance. If Lin is not producing as expected then I'm sure Les would have second thoughts. He wants a championship in Houston evidenced by all the dealings so far. Allegiance to Lin by Les goes in so far as Lin is producing at a star level. Mediocre level doesn't make Les much money. Even though les is owner, at some point there is autonomy dealt to his officials, otherwise it would not be a destination hire for prospective coaches and gms. So Les recognizes that. That's why you don't see Linsanity on replay. So who is really running the show here? Because if it is Les, it is counterintuitive thinking. Thus it has to be the coach or the gm. There is something brewing in Texas. So stay tuned.
DeleteNo need to feel bad KHuang. After I saw some of the nonsense spewed here, I turned it off, hehe. Boy, folks can get so emotional after one game. The journey is like a thousand miles, and Lin has only set foot on a few stones. He will turn the corner and learn from his experience.
ReplyDeleteYes, JLin is not at his best yet. Yes, I agree there are some issues with him and Harden in the way they are playing. But a solution will surface sooner or later. For the Rockets to succeed, the both of them need each other. And only time will show the way.
I'm absolutely optimistic about Lin doing better and better. I see that from game to game, and when he does make mistakes, those are all lessons. For those who are smart, failure is the fastest path to success. When you fail, you know you've tried, and when you fail, you know not to repeat it. The smart ones learn, and we all know Lin is smart. :)
As I said before, the mind is the most powerful tool, and success is within almost everyone's reach. It's just a matter of going out there and taking it. I foresee JLin working harder and smarter and finding his way to success. It may even happen tonight! :)
I don't think Lin himself realizes that he HAS to be great to succeed in the NBA.
DeleteInstinctively, he totally gets it. The moment Lin fully realizes that, the swagger will be back and the game will improve by itself.
No player I've ever seen in the NBA has battled as much negativity as Lin has. Not by a longshot. Everybody is indeed targeting him because of his race, just like he said.
But in a few words, he basically said what I've said to haters that threatened me: BRING IT ON!!!
All of those great opponents bringing their A game against Lin means that they're PREPARING HIM for GREATNESS!!!
The good thing is, just based on watching as a casual observer/fan looking from afar is that I believe McHale is fine with Lin and hopes Lin can succeed. You just get the feeling he's "ok" with Lin, pretty much impartial and open minded about Lin.
ReplyDeleteSampson sounds like an uninformed idiot when he's talked about Lin and I really don't think he thinks much of Lin and never will. I have NO CLUE what the other coaches think of Lin so it's hard to know what is going on. I also think Morey is obsessed with proving Harden is Kobe Jr and so the Front Office's agenda to the coaching staff is to make Harden look like a star at all costs. Morey has gone on a limb saying Harden is their 2013 All Star for the Houston game. There is pressure for everyone to make that happen even if it means losing games.
Everything Mchale has said from day 1 is "ball movement, swing the ball, don't stick, pass, hit the open guy, make simple plays." But the product on the court with Harden is completely opposite of that esp. in the 4th Quarter. So there is some internal strife going on with that organization right now. Something obviously isn't right.
I think Lin simply needs to prove to McHale that Lin is capable of leading and making big plays for them to trust Lin more. Mchale's style is old school and I agree Lin will become a better player over time with Mchale's style. D'Antoni's style masks Lin's weaknesses and Mchale's exposes them forcing Lin to be better all around which will help as Lin loses athleticism due to age.
As a 3rd party observer, I truly don't think Morey is high on Lin or cares if Lin looks good. It's obvious because there is no Front Office mandate to make Lin look good or give him the ball. The Front Office dictates to coaching staffs what they want, and what they want is Harden ball.
At the same time, Morey can't trade Lin anytime soon to LA because imagine if Linsanity 2.0 actually took off...Les Alexander would FIRE Morey if that happened this year or next. The only way Morey can get away with getting rid of Lin is if they make their Houston team ALOT better at the same time so Les and others don't mind losing Lin in the process.
I have a bad feeling Mchale might not return or get fired. If they put Sampson in place, that would suck...I know this sounds racist, but besides Tommy Amaker, Lin seems to play better for white coaches and embraces them more, and Lin's white coaches seem to appreciate what he does more as well...I'm of the belief that Amaker only played Lin at Harvard because he was clearly head and shoulders better than everyone and Amaker had no other option than Lin but we'll never know.
With the Houston Rockets, Les Alexander is the ONLY voice that counts.
DeleteIt doesn't matter what people think say or do. Les is the owner and Lin is Les's guy.
That said, it's not the coaches' responsibility to make Lin attack. Only LIN can make that decision for himself.
This is the NBA. Unless it's a Larry Brown team we're talking about, coaches shift their gameplans based on who's attacking and producing. No attacking from Lin means no coaching thrown his way, AS IT SHOULD BE!
pz, this is the original quote from the article which he thinks Houston is a better fit. The coach he is referring to are coach from Rockets.
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Fame had come so fast, so without warning, it hasn't been until training camp and starting the season with Houston that Lin has finally breathed out, finally understood he had found a franchise that will let him grow, let him make his mistakes, let him be.
"It wasn't like I worried they were going to cut me," Lin said. "But it just seemed too good to be true. Like, the coach actually cared about what plays I enjoy running, or that the coach would text me on a day off to see how I was feeling. That type of stuff was too good to be true."
Lin was asked, "You had that with Mike D'Antoni, didn't you?"
"But it was so short," Lin responded.
And when Mike Woodson took over?
"It changed," Lin said. "Different style, different coach."
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KHuang,
ReplyDeletedid you see the double teaming of Lin when he is guarding his man? i see the Birdie Lopez keeps helping out his PG.
BTW.... i wonder who poked Lin in the eye? I missed
gotota go back
Sorry buddy, I didn't see the game because I was hard at work all day and last night.
DeleteThe Rockets have been STELLAR on defense, better than I even thought they would be. Lin is THE big reason why, as it's virtually impossible for people to beat him off the dribble and he can elevate to block people (ask Lebron).
I may not like how Lin is playing tentatively on offense, but he's so good and active on defense that he doesn't have to be. With the Rockets winning and staying competitive, I'm not as gung ho about Lin getting great scoring numbers as a lot of people are.
All I want is for Lin to stop jacking up 3s, to start really moving without the ball more effectively, and camp out in the midrange that is still the most effective scoring range in basketball because of the limitless options it produces.
Today's players, Lin included, shun the midrange. But only by mastering the midrange game can players step out to the 3 point line or drive in for layups!
Monta Ellis = Mid Range King of the NBA of this Era
DeleteThose advanced stats approach hurt players more than help them. Layups or 3 pointers are deemed as more effective shots than mid range jumpers in those advanced stats research. It's unlucky that Lin got into Morey's rubbish when Morey knows nothing about basketball.
DeleteMore evidence for a positive player/coach relationship
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