Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Rockets vs Nuggets Game #4 Pregame Thread

With Denver coming off their first win and playing back to back, I'm looking for a breakout game from Jeremy.



The Rockets had a nice break after 3 games in 4 days. Look for Jeremy to be very aggressive in pushing it and attacking the basket. If his jumper is on, look out.

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  1. Ty Lawson is a small, quick player who is really good at stealing the ball ... Jeremy better be careful with his high dribble and protect the ball.

    I'm hoping to see Lin take advantage of his bigger size and post up Lawson, but knowing Lin, he doesn't do that.

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    1. Does anyone know whether Lin has a post up game, or he just doesn't use the move as often? I don't remember ever seeing Lin try one. Yes, Lin is one of those players when his jumper is on, he does do well -- actually that's pretty much the case with most capable PGs I guess.

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    2. He should, he is much bigger and stronger than most point guards @ 6'-4" and 200 lbs. And his quick first step is much more effective with his back to the defender.

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    3. Lin's got a post up game SORT OF.

      He's got this thing in dead ball situations off his left pivot foot where he'll jab step with his right and then elevate right for a jumper. Lin's been doing that since college.

      But you guys are right. I'd like to see Lin develop a true post up game. He's got the best coach in McHale to learn it from!

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    4. He posted up Brandon Jennings like once and had his way with him much like Darren Collison too. Wish he would realize he has a size advantage over all these guys.

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    5. In the possession starting at 5:25, Lin is guarded by JJ Barea. He starts on the perimeter but ends up using a spin move that is reminiscent of post play.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIW4WyVLa9g

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  2. Denver is a good and deep team that has lots of energy.

    The issue for me is Denver's athleticism in the frontcourt. They have some highly aggressive athletes. Maybe Denver isn't the greatest halfcourt execution team (a George Karl trait), but Denver sure can explode athletically on both ends of the court.

    I like Ty Lawson very much. Even though I do not consider him as good an all around player as Jeremy Lin, Lawson plays his point guard role on the Nuggets very effectively. Lin has a completely different role from Ty Lawson because Lawson has a team of well paid high flying athletes and Lin does not.

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    1. By the way Khuang thanks for saving me on the previous thread. I almost got baited to argue with the 2 flamers.

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    2. Yeah I guess the big issue that the Rockets will have is playing against teams with good front courts. Until they get a good PF, they'll have to hope the Asik somehow finds his offensive nitch and starts making contested layups and put backs around the rim.

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    3. Andre Miller is going to kill the secondary unit of the Rockets. I hope TD has a good game tonight.

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    4. I look forward to JaVale McGee's aerial onslaught on the Rockets frontcourt LOL. Lin and Harden has to have big games to get a W tonight.

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    5. Andre Iguodala is a lock down defender. Lets see what Harden will do against a good defender like AI.

      I think for Rockets to win they will have to rely on Jlins play making skills and not do too much JHarden isolation plays.

      The pick n roll game is going to be essential here, but they need a big who is a perimeter shooting threat to be able to draw out the Denver's big men away from the rim for easy Jeremy & Harden drives to the basket.

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    6. Denver is going to be a very tough team for the Rockets to beat tonight. The Rockets' front court and bench simply have to get better.

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    7. Kenneth Faried might have a big game tonight, especially in rebounds.

      If Jlin's teammates aren't producing tonight, he'll have to go to work. He'll have to do what he does best, get to the free throw line. If he can get the bigs into early foul trouble that would be a big help to the Rocket's frontcourt battle.

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  3. Is Jeremy Lin facing the "Jeremy Lin Rule" just like Micheal Jordan did early in his career known as the "Michael Jordan Rule", especially when Jordan played against the Pistons?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE

    I think to an extent especially on good defensive NBA Teams he is.

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  4. This chick's blog is hilarious as she's a superfan of jlin.

    http://confessionsofajeremylinaddict.com/

    It makes me cringe at first because she'll talk about him from a girl's perspective, which isn't my cup of tea. But if you just keep reading and look at it from a broader perspective..its actually pretty hilarious.

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    1. LOL I just read the first paragraph about Jeremy Lin and sexual frustration and I'm like wtf is this but it's hilarious! I can't help but go eww when she talks about big booty and Lin it's disturbing but thanks for the awesome read.

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    2. That was so funny, I am embarrassed at how much I enjoyed reading it. The out of context picture with Harden's hand on JLin's knee... hey, we wanted them to work on chemistry, right?

      @Ricky T thanks for the link.

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  5. If we want to make playoff it's a must win game. Denver is getting better now, but i think players on their roster can't gel well. Plus i don't think ty lawson is a team first player.

    Go jeremy ... Show them what you can do.

    P.S.: Sorry for the absence :D t-shirts? Sounds good :D Nice idea :D

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  6. This years Houston Rockets have a better defensive efficiency compared to last years team. Is that the Jeremy Lin affect?

    2011-2012 Def Eff: 102.1
    2012-2013 Def Eff: 97.0

    They're not allowing teams to score more than 97 points against them this season.

    In addition:

    Their Offensive Rebound Rate, Defensive Rebound Rate, Rebound Rate is much higher than that of last years team.

    2011-2012 Team ORR, DRR, REBR: 27.5, 73.4, 50.2
    2012-2013 Team ORR, DRR, REBR: 34.0, 80.0, 55.0

    On tonight's match up:

    Denver vs. Rockets 2012-13 Overall NBA Rankings

    Denver:

    17th = points per game = 97.3
    3rd = rebounds per game = 49.5
    23rd = assists per game = 19.3
    20th = points allowed = 100.5

    Rockets:
    10th = points per game = 99.7
    2nd = rebounds per game = 53.0
    9th = assists per game = 23.0
    14th = points allowed = 97.7

    Based on these stats, the Houston Rockets should have the edge over the Denver Nuggets tonight.

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    1. It's even better than the 5 points implies. Rox are holding teams lower despite playing at a higher pace than last year (96 vs 94.3).

      For those unfamiliar with pace, it's the number of possessions a team has in a game. Needs to be taken into consideration any time you want to compare team stats, and in many cases player stats (although reporting stats as per 36 or per 48 accomplishes the same thing).

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    2. it would be interesting to check if Jeremy had the same effect last season with the Knicks when he played major minutes. But I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is yes judging from how much he racked up steals, deflections, blocks, etc.

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  7. Jeremy's strongest asset is his ability to control the game in transition. If we are ever gonna have a chance to resurrect some semblance of Linsanity, and for the Rockets to have a true chance to succeed they must outlet the ball to him almost exclusively and let him take control of the open floor. 75-85 percent of all defensive boards must be outletted to Jeremy (the rest can go to Harden). But, Parsons, Delfina, and others should not be allowed to handle the ball on the break. When the ball is outletted to Jeremy he is able to develop FLOW, his own and the teams, he his able to find easy baskets for teammates and open lanes for easy baskets for himself. One play ON, two plays off, One play ON totally hampers Jeremy's ability to control the game and its pace. It's what he does best -- run a team -- and, he's been doing its since he was 8. It's the essence of LINSANITY. ... Kevin McHale better recognize this quickly or he won't be utilizing Jeremy's best weapon and the Rockets will never be as good as they can be.

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    1. Good point. Who is the PG anyways on the team? I absolutely hate the way the ball is inbounded or outletted. Letting the defense guessing is one thing but disrupting the flow of the offense is another. The compromise would be who ever has the weaker side should have the ball attacking on that side more. Still Lin should bring the ball up 70% of the time.

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  8. will the coaches still ask JLin and/or other players to defer to Harden?

    I'm still learning watching bball, but I thought, during preseason, Houston had very good ball movement and balanced scoring among all players. Is that correct?

    I don't want to see another melo in Houston again.

    Oh, man, I'm starting to get nervous now (sorry, I'm easy to get nervous), I don't know if I can survive through all 82 games :-)

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    1. @HY

      re: deference and coaches, if you mean will Harden be the focal point of the offense, I think the answer is gonna be a yes.

      If you mean order on a social totem pole (like in the locker room), the coaches don't do that, this is something that happens organically on a team (or in nature for that matter). I don't get the feeling that either Harden or Lin is an alpha personality (this is actually a potential concern with Harden, as he has pretty much assumed the role as the man with the Rox). I really hope I'm not wrong, but I feel good about this team regarding personalities and getting along (except for that punk kid Machado... just kidding, I'm sure he was misquoted, I just wish I could hear the whole thing in context for myself).

      As far as this quote:

      "I don't want to see another melo in Houston again."

      I sure do, hopefully in person day after Thanksgiving, and while I don't pray in sports (other than to keep everyone healthy), I really, really, hope we have something to be thankful for after that night!

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    2. Harden SHOULD be the #1 option on offense. If only because Jeremy is the point guard and his first duty is to distribute and create for his teammates.

      My concern is that Harden is also the #2 and #3 option on offense. 1) Harden pick-and-roll. 2) Harden isolation. 3) Harden playing hero-ball by jacking up contested jumpers.

      You can't have Jeremy Lin standing around doing nothing during crunch time. And that's what happened during the Portland loss. I don't care about the result -- it's just one game. I DO care about the approach.

      That said, McHale has said over and over that Jeremy isn't full strength yet (even when Jeremy said he was). And guess what? McHale was right. So I think we'll stop seeing so much Harden Hero Ball next month when Jeremy shows that he IS full strength (by finishing his drives consistently).

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    3. by "defer to Harden", I simply mean that JLin is only responsible for bringing the ball past the halfcourt, giving it to Harden, then the ball almost didn't come back to him or other players, everyone just stood there and watched Harden play <-- isn't that what happened in NYK after Lin got injured back then, ball->melo->and everyone else just stood there and watched?

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    4. Being the true leader of the team is not the same as being the focal point of the offense.

      In San Antonio, Tim Duncan is the true leader of the team. But the focal points of the offense are Parker and Ginobili. That's because San Antonio initiates its offense through its guards which play off Duncan.

      I've been saying that Jeremy Lin looks like a better basketball player to me this season. The main reason is that he's able to set his teammates up the way Duncan does on both ends of the court. Lin is still learning what this Rockets team can do, but his importance in his team's success cannot be understated.

      James Harden should be the #1 focal point on offense. That doesn't mean that Harden will shoot the ball selfishly, though. Harden is a wonderfully unselfish player who knows when to pass. As the season wears on, Harden may end up passing to Lin so much that Harden could get accused of Linbalancing the offense!

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    5. best way to learn is to actually go out there and play everyday. There should be numerous parks near your area to play pick up. Once you get the hang of it, run full court and you'll begin to see why teams do SOME of things they do.

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    6. If the Rox play under control and allow JLin to setup their offense every single play, then it's going to be 3-1. Anything else will be a 2-2. Don't just tell JLin to bring the ball up and then pass it to Harden or whoever, then run to the corner (left or right). Why not let JLin penetrate, look left and right seeing JHarden cut in, do a bounce pass and Jharden do an and-1? or Perhaps, run a p-n-r play with Asik seeing Patterson cut to the basket, do a lob and Patterson with an easy dunk or layup? Whatever it may be, just let JLin do his thing. Then we all will be jumping up and down screaming and this forum will be flooded with posts like "OMG linsanity hand landed in Houston." Ehh, just a thought =)

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  9. Linsanity won't happen again not because jLin can't, but because the purpose and source of the attacks are not pnr through jlin and company. If you keep doing that, any player will get injured and burn out within a few months.

    They're just running plays to exploit the biggest mismatch and prevent injury

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  10. Don't confuse what LINSANITY is about. It's not about the points. It's about Jeremy's ability to effect a game. When they reduce his touches via outlet, much of that control is lost, because his strength is managing the transition game and making the right decision to whom the ball should go. Jeremy is a true point guard. He always has been. All this talk that he didn't know how to play point guard was BS. When Magic Johnson recognizes exactly what you do ... you are getting props from the best point guard to ever put on tight shorts.

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    1. Totally agree.

      Because I judge Linsanity by win/loss impact and not individual stats, Linsanity never stopped for me.

      Lin went 5-1 in preseason and 2-1 so far. While there's a chance that this weak underpaid Rockets team ends up losing more games than it wins, Lin will fight his hardest to win every game.

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  11. previous posters are right. on paper, denver should be blowing out houston tonight. they are stacked...though their record doesn't show it yet.

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    1. Compare Houston's team salary to Denver's.

      I don't know the exact numbers, but Denver's salary had to be much higher than Houston's.

      Case in point: Ty Lawson makes more than Lin and Asik PUT TOGETHER this season!

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    2. True, the Nuggets are near the cap with guys like Igoudala, Andre Miller, etc. but they also have a lot of guys who are still on their rookie contracts like Javale, Gallinari, and Faried. So it's a lot like the Rocket's situation, young underpaid talent combined with high paid superstar talent.

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    3. Don't make anymore excuses for the Rockets to win. It is pretty common here to use salary as a scapegoat. They haven't even started the game and we are already making excuses for the Rockets.

      A MUST WIN GAME

      NO EXCUSES

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    4. Don't underestimate Denver.

      They lost a 119-116 close game with the Heat despite Galinari's bad 3-17 FG shooting. Bosh scored 40 pts in that game.

      This is the NBA where the worst teams can win one game against the best team. Remember the Bobcats beating the Lakers 2-3 times 2 seasons ago?

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    5. I'm not underestimating them. I just think the Rockets have fresher legs and a better backcourt.

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    6. agreed. rockets should win today- no excuses

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    7. YEAH RIGHT.

      The Denver Nuggets earn much more than the Houston Rockets, so Houston is the better team and should win.

      That's neph logic, which is why he can't figure out why most of his predictions backfire on him in failure.

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  12. The one player that Houston needs to shut down is Lawson.

    He was the biggest playmaker for Denver with +21 in the previous game (the 2nd highest player was McGee with only +9). For the first three losses, he averaged -6 in the plus minus stat.

    It Houston can render Lawson ineffective, they can win big.

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  13. It is about time Jeremy shows the entire world a Linsanity-like performance. Also, Mchale better have a actual offensive sets rather than let Harden hog the ball to his heart's delight. If the starting frontcourt continues to choke then take them out.

    Rockets by 14

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    1. That portland game felt like one of those games but just not quite. I think he is due for one hopefully.

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  14. Greg Smith is playing tonight; Bench Asik if he continues to miss layups.

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  15. OMG... Parsons is terrible. He has received two or three outlets, brought the ball up and turned it over.

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  16. The first 7 minutes of this game are disturbing. What did we do the last 3 days? Wrong guys getting outlets. Harden not giving up the ball soon enough when doubled. Patterson out on the 3 point line. Can't they at least set an on ball for Jeremy in transition... he just brings it up and swings it. Awful. meanwhile JLIN has three assists...

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  17. harden give the ball back to lin on the break, no lets run into iguodala

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  18. Will Andrew Bynum join Jeremy Lin and James Harden ?

    http://www.jenports.com/2012/11/will-andrew-bynum-join-jeremy-lin-and.html#post-title

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    1. More spamming.

      Administration should ban this guy for posting the same thing FIVE times.

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