Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Rockets vs Hornets Game #8 Thread

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  1. lets go JLin. i just hope JHard would recognize that JLin should be the one running the point and he sure can benefit from it. why was JLins airball even a fuss when JHarden took the last shot bricking it anyway.

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  2. I have read a quite plausible theory. The Rockets don't really want to win and make the playoffs. They just want to pump up Harden's stats and make a superstar out of him while losing their way to a top draft pick in order to draft another star or use it to make a another big trade. That would explain their iffy tactics at the end of games, running the Harden iso play every time despite failing again and again and why they limit Lin's usage because they are afraid of his impact spoiling their "tank" work. OKC basically pulled the same crap in Durant's 1st few years and the Cavs are doing similar with Kyrie Irving right now. I doubt the players know this but the management and coaches are both on board.

    For Lin though, it's a difficult situation to be in. But he really has no choice but continues to play hard and develop all aspects of his game. Even if he got moved eventually, more nice teams would want him if he had more solid experience.

    Just a random theory. :-)

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    1. Cara, to believe the random theory is to ease your disappointment with JLin's plays thus far. As JLin had said many a times, there's a reason for the events in his life, so let's be patient and wait for "the next event" to unfold. JLin has good offense skills and his current game plan is to sharpen his defense skills, hence eventually a multi-talented PG?

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    2. Nah, unlike you guys, I am not really disappointed with Lin's play so far apart from maybe his inconsistent shooting which I believe he will pick it up eventually. I understand one player can only do so much in a limited role with low usage.

      Also, I am not hating on Harden but if the Rockets and their fans think Harden is some kind of a superstar and use him that way, fine, they just need to face the consequences. The Hawks once thought Joe Johnson was a franchise player too. Let them hate on Lin and babysit Harden right now. They would lose their patience eventuality too, especially when Jeremy Lamb and that Toronto draft choice blow it up in OKC. I am also a firm believer that if Lin is as good as I think he is, he will shine no matter in any team any system.

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    3. Hello Cara:

      The problem with that theory is that the Rockets traded their 1st round pick to get Harden. See here: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--inside-look-at-james-harden-s-trade-to-rockets-28301609.html
      Even if the Rockets have another pick in 2013 that they got from some other team, that pick's slot won't be based on how the Rockets finish. So they can't use it to draft another star - an iffy prospect to begin with especially with the lottery and the college game no longer producing more than 3 or 4 NBA ready players a year - or trade for another one.

      The Rockets want to add another big contract via free agency. And tanking games isn't the way to do that. The way to do that is to win as many games as possible so that guys will choose your team over the other destinations that they can go to.

      "That would explain their iffy tactics at the end of games, running the Harden iso play every time despite failing again and again and why they limit Lin's usage because they are afraid of his impact spoiling their "tank" work."

      I wouldn't describe it as "over and over again." Don't forget ... the season is only 7 games old, and the Rockets have only lost 4 games. One of them was a game to the Heat that they pretty much expected to lose anyway, the other was to Portland in a game where Lin had about as big a role in losing down the stretch as Harden did.

      So, one can't say that the Rockets KNOW that Harden can't handle his current role based on the Denver and Memphis games, which is really what we are talking about here. More to the point, we can't say that the Rockets KNOW that Lin CAN handle these end-of-game situations. What do the Rockets know about Lin anyway? His 25 games with the Knicks when he was in D'Antoni's system, Woodson's system and had other offensive players like Melo, Stoudemire and Smith to spread the floor? That doesn't translate to the Rockets' current situation.

      What they know of Lin is based on his shooting 28% in preseason and not much better during the season. Based on what they have seen of Lin on their own team in their own system so far, making Lin their #1 guy on offense is totally unjustified. Claiming that the Rockets are trying to lose on purpose because they aren't calling the number of a guy who is making 1/3 of his shots and is still obviously not over his knee injury ... think about how that sounds from the Rockets' perspective. (Which is kind of like what I was saying when Lin was with the Knicks ... choosing Lin over Melo - which would have meant blowing up the team and starting over from scratch AGAIN - made absolutely no sense from the Knicks' perspective, so they had to choose Melo over Lin.) NBA reputations aren't made in 25 games. It takes longer than that.

      The good news is that Lin has a great opportunity to change the Houston coaches' estimation of his offensive game. Lin has time to get healthy, find his shot and play his way into a larger role. It is still mid-November. Hopefully by December-January Lin's knee will be better, his shot will be back and the coaches will have shifted to a more co-equal setup between Lin and Harden. But for the coaches to live and die with Lin ... there is no reason for them to do that, and quite frankly it wouldn't be sound basketball if they did.

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    4. Unknown,

      I appreciate your take. But one thing you are wrong is that the picks sent out in the Harden trade are a Toronto pick from Lowry trade and a Mavs pick. However, the Rockets did trade away their pick previously to Atlanta. But that pick is lottery protected. That means if the Rockets don't make the playoffs, they get to keep their pick, hence more incentive for the "tanking" theory.

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    5. @Cara:

      That is what I get for believing the media then! Thanks for letting me know that their pick will be lottery protected. So, if they win, they lose that pick. But if they lose, they keep the pick! They get the lottery pick AND the max contract. They could use the lottery pick on a SF and the max contract on a PF. (Or vice versa if there is another Anthony Davis in the draft! Then again, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist isn't playing badly at SF either ...)

      So I take it back. I admit that your theory is plausible. The Rockets have more to gain by missing the playoffs than they have by getting swept in the first round by the Lakers or Spurs. Still, Lin does have to find either his jump shot or his attacking the basket game first in order to test the theory. If the Rockets are still playing like this when Lin is healthy, shooting 45% at least on jump shots and is finishing in the lane like he did last year then your theory will be stronger IMHO. But it is a good thing to keep an eye on. However, trashing Harden's reputation like that is still a bad idea.

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    6. I meant THE ROCKETS trashing Harden's reputation like that by setting him up to fail that is.

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    7. How would the Rockets trash Harden's reputation and set him up to fail by doing this? They gave him the opportunity to score as much as he wants with no regards to winning or losing, how is this bad? Was Kevin Durant recognized a superstar when he was winning 20 games a season? Was Kyrie Irving a superstar last year? Yes, yes. In this league, you are a superstar as long as you are the scoring champ no matter you win or lose.

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    8. You may be right, and that is sad.

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    9. But WE here know better, Cara and Unknown!

      I don't consider Kyrie Irving a "superstar". To me, he's an "average" player. Anybody who gives up as much as he does on defense as he gets on offense is a net zero, at best. Not surprisingly, his Cavs will be BAD AGAIN.

      While Jeremy Lin is not a "superstar" to me this season, he certainly WAS last year. He dominated on both ends of the court. This year he's even better defensively but is muted offensively. When Lin finally RELAXES and starts attacking, he'll roar right back with big scoring nights.

      I've also noticed guys on this board flaming Lin for low assists. I find that ridiculous because Lin is passing to guys that are not known as scorers. Also, Harden is shooting even worse than Lin is and obviously that's going to lower Lin's assists. To me, Lin's the same ol' passing Lin with less touches.

      If Lin gets his scoring going into the 13-17 ppg range, he'll be playing as good as I'd expect him to play. Provided his defense stays the same, I'd indeed consider Lin a "superstar" and his PER would show it too.

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  3. Go Lin. With all the things limiting you, still give it your all to help your team and teammates win. You are still playing for the audience of One!

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    1. Nice that Lin can no longer be the focal point on the opposing scouting report. How long could the Rockets say enough is enough if Harden continues to shoot his 30%? Haha. I vaguely remember even in Melo's bad stretch last year he still at least shot 40%.

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    2. Also, if the Rockets and their people really think that Harden is a better playmaker than Lin, good for them and let it be! Let's see if it produces a 10 game losing streak with Harden shooting 30% and see if they think the same. It's interesting that Monty talked about the Miami game finish as some kind of compliment to Harden when it's a proven failure. Monty is getting sneaky lol.

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    3. @Cara:

      See above. Lin is shooting 30% too. Before you say "it is because he isn't getting enough shots due to Harden", Lin was shooting worse in the preseason before Harden. Lin is going to have to start making his shots before he gets more of them. That being said, Harden does need to rotate the ball more, but because of Lin's problems shooting and finishing when he gets to the basket, when Harden does, those extra shots won't necessarily go to Lin.

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    4. UnKnown, you can't convince me that Lin shooting 30% on his 7-8 shots and 2.7 turnovers are as hurtful to winning as Harden's 30% on 20 shots and 5 turnovers per game.

      The only saving grace right now in Harden's game and the reason he still is one of the leading scorers is the superstar calls he got and his 10+ foul shots per game. But he could not pull this trick every single time against other "star" defenders.

      I am not hating on Harden to deflect the critcism from Lin. Honestly, I never liked Harden's game that much, even back he's in OKC. You could read back my posts before the trade and when the trade just went down.

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    5. Hah.

      Neither of the Hardliners is shooting all that great. But Jeremy Lin is starting to do better.

      I'd like to see Lin change up his movement without the basketball. He needs to cut better in order to shoot better.

      Years ago, I was watching a Pistons game with Joe Dumars. In that game, the announcers said that the Pistons actually got tapes of Rolando Blackman (still with Dallas) so that Dumars could learn how to move better without the basketball!

      All NBA guards could benefit from watching guys like Blackman and Dumars move without the basketball.

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    6. @Cara:

      I am not trying to convince you that Harden is hurting the team more than Lin. But the Rockets' coaches are going to A) see what Harden can and can't do and B) wait for Lin to become a more consistent and higher percentage scorer before they do anything else. Keep in mind: this is a transition period for Harden too ... new team, new system, starting role etc.

      The Rockets are favoring Harden over Lin because A) Harden came in with a better reputation than Lin and B) Lin hasn't done anything in the opportunities that he has been given to change their minds. Yes, Harden hasn't played well, granted. But until Lin starts playing better there is no reason for them to change. Coaches aren't going to just switch from Harden to Lin just because Harden is struggling. Lin needs to play well enough to offer a viable alternative for that to happen. Otherwise, the coaches will think that by going from Harden to Lin, things will go even worse than they are now! The Rockets aren't favoring one guy who is shooting bad over a guy who is shooting well. Instead, they are favoring one guy who is shooting poorly over another who is shooting poorly, so from their perspective it is at best a wash. If they do change from Harden ball, it won't be to Linsanity. It will be to a more motion type offense where everyone gets increased touches.

      Before Lin gets more chances on offense, he has to show his coaches that it is a good idea. The "he would have a higher shooting percentage if he took more shots" thing isn't something that most NBA coaches - or most coaches at any level for that matter - are going to buy. Nor are they going to have an "well it isn't working with this guy so let's give someone else a chance just to do something different" approach either. When Lin starts shooting 6/12 and 7/12 instead of 4/12, that is when the coaches will up his shots to 15 and 18.

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    7. Unknown,

      While what you said is true, the current situation is that much tougher on Lin than Harden. See, if Lin started out at 1/5, he would probably get to shoot 2-3 times more and even he make those shots he still end up something like a 3/8. With Harden, if he started out 1/5, he still could keep shooting how many times he wants and ends up a respectable like 10/20. Lin could practice how many hours he likes or makes how shots every day in practice. The truth is that nothing beats shooting out of a slump in GAMES which he is unable to do now with his 7-8 shot attempts every game. And then as every game passes by, his confidence is getting lower. Basically it's a snowball effect, for the worse, not for the better.

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    8. There's another way to see it.

      Harden will continue bricking because there's no pressure on him to play better.

      Lin, on the other hand, is GROWING. Anytime now, he's gonna break out with his scoring. It could be as soon as this game!

      By the time Lin figures out how to play off the ball in the NBA, he'll be a complete basketball player who cannot be stopped. Then no matter where he goes or how he's used, Lin's gonna DOMINATE.

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  5. Last night, Kobe texted Jeremy Lin, "don't worry about that airball, I did it four times against the Jazz in the '97 playoffs." from twitter

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    1. I doubt it's true. Kobe probably didn't have Lin's number let alone friendly enough to text him.

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    2. LOL

      @KGTrashTalk
      [I am not Kevin Garnett.]

      KGTrashTalk ‏@KGTrashTalk
      Last night, Kobe texted Jeremy Lin, "don't worry about that airball, I did it four times against the Jazz in the '97 playoffs."
      Retweeted 33 times
      8:13 AM - 13 Nov 12

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    3. I don't know why twitter has so many "I am not xxx" accounts and they also get quite a lot of follows.

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    4. People are easily amused? :)

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    5. You know what, as an Asian player, Lin will be made fun of no matter what he does. Damian Lillard averaged 18/7 in his first 8 starts in the nba while leading his team to a 3-5 record, yet he already got more respect around the league than Lin. Nobody made fun of his high turnover rate, consistently getting lit up by opposing PGs or his small sample size. You can't say Lillard has more potential either, he's just one year younger than Lin of last year.

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    6. Oh I thought you were speaking generally [about twitter], as a cultural observer.

      On JLin being made fun of, ABSOLUTELY TRUE. It's not about potential, merit, all that. He'd be a target no matter what, as long as the status quo is such that people believe they can bash on Asians/ A-Americans with impunity.

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    7. As long as the name "Jeremy Lin" generates interest from people, the media will try to link his name to their story -- that's how the media works. I mean you have to admit that the air ball WAS funny in a way -- it was a black comedy the way it happened: All eyes thinking "Holy cow, Lin finally is going to show them all, then poof!" That was either hilarious to non-Lin fans or "sadly funny" to Lin fans. It was in a crucial situation against Miami and came down to the last shot, so this airball occurred in a more significant scenario than other airballs.

      I flatly disagree that Harden is a better playmaker than Lin, and I am a critic of Lin. Harden is a more talented offensive player who can both score and pass, if he wishes, but it's not as if he also has a great variety of offensive weapons either. Let Harden screw up Rockets by his selfish play, and Lin should continue to develop his offensive skills. On his shots, I don't care what you guys say -- his release is slow and his jumping, body angle and arm motion, etc. don't work well together.

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    8. people suffering from inferiority complex couldn't help but bash on Asians/A-Americans so as to compensate for their constantly overflowing sense of failure. smh

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    9. @eb5attorney:

      "Let Harden screw up Rockets by his selfish play, and Lin should continue to develop his offensive skills."

      Unfortunately, until someone else for the Rockets steps up and starts putting the ball in the basket consistently - Lin included - it is difficult to call Harden selfish. Right now, everybody is throwing up bricks and having trouble finishing.

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    10. What are you talking about? Harden took too many tough shots. He should have passed to other players who were in better position. Did you check Harden's field goal percentage?

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    11. Harden is making poor decisions. I grant you that when Harden makes good judgment as to when he should shoot (good percentage shots), whether he should drive in, and when to pass to others -- he's a very effective player as you observed during first two games. Even Kobe's shooting percentage is good right now because he's not forcing his shots too much. He's even passing and getting 8 assists. Harden is not the type of player like MJ, Kobe, Durant, Westbrook who can create a good shot against tough defender. I am very confident in saying this because I observed him play in OKC. He needs to combine his relatively high skill sets and make good decisions. He is not one of those players who has awesome shot that no one can defend, so he can go to this shot at any time. He's playing very poorly in the mental aspect of his game right now.

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    12. @eb5attorney:

      I agree. But would those other players who are in better position have made those shots?

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    13. What Calvin Murphy says here is right on point.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1niI6JzIQA

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    14. Unknown, during that game, there were many players shooting well, Parsons, Patterson and Morris. And Delfino can knock them down also. When everything is said and done, Harden and Lin are the only ones who have really low shooting percentages. Even if Lin missed, when your percentage is not higher, he should pass to Lin.

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  6. Just to lighten the mood around here..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWSJcJ7KLbA&feature=youtu.be
    It is quite funny :) IF it did nothing for you..sorry

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    1. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thats "high five muscle memory" triggered by ft shooting! Thanks for the link! Im laughing my axx of

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  7. I just hope that Harden starts passing more and Lin starts handling and running the offense more. The former is on Harden. The latter is on the coaches. This would be a great game for the Rockets coaches to choose to open things up IMHO.

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    1. If Harden is left open or is poorly guarded, he should continue to take shots. But he has to make good decisions to pass when he knows he's being guarded tough. When Harden is not guarded tough, he can knock them down consistently -- nothing wrong with his shooting. I cannot say the same for Lin's shooting though.

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  8. "Jeremy Lin's Airball Analysis"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtTI5EZWjzw&feature=plcp

    Here is a a breakdown of last game's losing airball by Jeremy Lin.

    Let's see if Jeremy can recover from it!

    Nemo

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    1. Didnt you claim that JLin works for the devil in another video?

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    2. willy,

      I did and I stand by my statements 100%. It's up to you to wake up and realize what's really going on. Until then, keep living in a dream state...

      Nemo

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  9. Support Jeremy forever! the positive, the negative! the only Asian NBA player, he's fighting really hard out there! he needs support from us! Clearly, there's something change in Lin's confidence! Really sorry to see lin's smile is lesser and lesser!

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  10. and don't forget to go vote for all-star! I vote it already!

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  11. I like our chances tonight. We have some guys coming off big games and/or career highs against Miami. The Hornets play at the slowest pace in the the league; if ever there was a time to test out our young legs and see if we can set the tempo for a game on our own terms, this is it.

    Unfortunately, given that their young shot blocker, Lin is probably still not going to be driving to the rim in our half court sets.

    Best case scenario? We continue shaping our defensive identity, Asik gets some blocks, Lin gets his steals, resulting in fast break points that give us a lead reminiscent of game 6. Then we get to watch some rookies and bring some of our starters' minutes back to normal.

    Worse case scenario? I'm not a fan of going there :)

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    1. Lin has driven and scored against much scarier veteran shotblockers than rookie Davis.

      Even with that repaired knee, Lin's explosiveness is JUST FINE. The only person that can stop Lin from attacking is Lin.

      Lin WILL start attacking. It's just a matter of time before he does.

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  12. @JLinfan#1

    Any chance you would put this link up as it's own post? I'd like to hear your take on it, as well as pretty much everyone else's.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--after-disappointing-breakup-with-knicks--jeremy-lin-building-a-better-relationship-with-rockets-14461809.html

    The Rox and Lin himself recognize what he is. Too many people do not, instead holding him to standards that meet their own expectations (not necessarily reflective of reality).

    His relationships with his coaches sound great. He is asked for his input. They are letting him make mistakes. This is the environment for him to grow in.

    Welcome all thoughts.

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    1. It's a nice article. True, Lin has many crazy fans than normal players because he's an Asian but at the same time he has way more haters because of the very same reason. But it is what it is.

      Lin is not playing to prove his fans right or prove his haters wrong. I hate the most when these so called fans are disappointed with Lin and want him to quit this team just because he's not meeting their ridiculous expectations or the haters call him a scrub just because of the same ridiculous high standard. Especially when those same people forgot that just one year ago they would be so happy if Lin could just become a reserve with consistent minutes which he has already far exceeded it. You know you couldn't give these people too much too soon because they complain about everything. In the past it was minutes, then starting role, then touches, shots. Now they demand everything should be run through Lin and Lin only and totally forgot just what position they were in the past. Or maybe not the longtime Lin fans, just the bandwagoners. :-)

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    2. I just want him to be happy in houston and be happy whatever he is doing and be confidence in whatever he is doing and holding up to his faith and never stop fighting!!!

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  13. Hornets have a big pointguard in Vasquez. So putting Tony Douglas out there would be a defensive mismatch. Lin will need to bring his A game and attack the shotblockers.

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  14. We all waste our time and energy on this garbage tonight, while Jeremy and his family are laughing their way to the bank.

    End of story.

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    1. For more analysis, check out my new video.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtTI5EZWjzw

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    2. at last have the balls to show your face on the video. terrible video, i'm sorry i gave it a view

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    3. @pz:

      have you also checked out the video where Nemo claims that JLin is working for the devil?

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    4. Nemo, I am no Lin lover, but why go to this length to bash Lin? Lin is not getting paid all that much and he's no scrub. He may not become an elite player that gets to All-Star based on his basketball skills, but he will find a starting PG job. And I am sure Rockets will give him at least one full season to see how much he can improve.

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    5. I agree with pz. I actually stopped listening to Nemo's video after 10 seconds because it didn't make any sense. If anything, talk about Harden's $80 Mill USD max contract.

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    6. Nemo -> retarded! Goes on JeremyLin fansite to promote his "Jeremy Lin is the devil" videos! Guys -> either insult him or ignore him but please -> dont feed the troll!

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  15. From the article Nom linked above:

    "and the resentment that existed for him from Carmelo Anthony and J.R. Smith, the reluctance they had about him running the Knicks, would've made difficult his growth in New York. Woodson was far more respectful, but simply wasn't interested with incorporating Lin into his vision."

    Melo, JR Smith, and Creative Arts Agency...

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    1. clearly melo gain back his confident when lin and stat are out and he know it is his team now and clearly that affect a person's confidence.

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  16. One problem is that many on this board did have what I considered an unrealistic expectation of Lin achieving 20 points/10 assists per game and got angry when I said I did not think Lin possessed at this time a game to play at an All-star level. I think Lin himself would agree. So of course, they will be disappointed or mad. It will be interesting to see if Lin can raise his level of game as the competition gets tougher. I am more interested in how Lin's ceiling turns out to be. I am thankful to him that he makes watching NBA game more interesting, and he gave me a new appreciation of how tough it is to succeed in NBA.

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    1. So you're calling out people on this board again?

      Why can't you just watch the darned game without flaming people? Can't you see you get retaliated against when you target people for flames?

      Incidentally, Lin has All Star defense (actually better than a lot of All Stars). He would have more assists if his teammates could catch and shoot the ball. Points haven't come yet, but they will.

      I firmly believe that Lin will start putting up big numbers anytime soon, long before the All Star break.

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  17. I don't really see Lin playing that bad. Sure he's missed some critical 3s but he was never a good 3 point shooter anyway, he's been more about penetration and his quickness. The fault is more on Harden for being a ball hogger, being TO prone and not letting Lin hold the ball.

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  18. I don't want to expect too much from Jeremy Lin. Jeremy Lin is a Team Player. I don't expect big numbers. I expect him to get his teammates involve and keep the team together. Anything Jeremy does from this point is ok in my book.

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  19. i think Jeremy lin or most players can put up big numbers depending on giving the opportunity. Unfortunately in this league only one player can have that option. Jeremy is not giving that option so i don't think we should blame Jeremy or even the coaching staff.

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  20. rockets game attendance is really pathetic. i dont remember it being this bad during rush hour days.

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  21. Nothing has changed. More of the exact same thing as last night and every night.

    Harden Hero Ball. Teammates missing Jeremy wide-open transition. Jeremy bricking open jumpers.

    Sigh. Gonna be a loooong season.

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    1. No more 3s from Jeremy...unless it's at the end of the shot clock.

      Tony Parker doesn't shoot 3s either and he's perfectly fine.

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  22. Jeremy has taken more shots than harden so far this game stop with your bias harden hating bullsht. They are both teammates.

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    1. It's not about the number of shots. Harden can take 1000 shots if they're good shots in the rhythm of the offense.

      Even Sampson said that there was too much Hero Ball. Educate yourself before you flame.

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    2. Let them play together and learn together without the need of your crybaby bs u spew every single time u post zxcvb

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    3. Just because I proved you wrong, doesn't mean you have to whine about it and call me names.

      This is a comment section. I'll post what I want. You post what you want -- as long as it's not spam or flames of fellow commenters you disagree with.

      Have a nice day, bluedreamz!

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    4. Lol you didnt prove anyone wrong nice try. Harden is the #1 option on offense if anyone on that team should be hero balling its harden. Every single nba team has someone on the team for that role u are just uneducated. You just cry in every single post because jeremy isnt taking 20-25 shots per game as a POINT GUARD. He should be looking for 10-15 assist like rondo a true point guard. And u kno what? He is probably transforming his game to that. Honestly how many damn times does harden pass to lin and lin does jack sht with it? Please please please explain to me how that is hardens fault. Also u actually think u prove me wrong by using Sampson out of all people as a credible source REALLY? Lololololol

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    5. "if anyone on that team should be hero balling its harden."

      Nobody should be hero-balling. You have to understand this.

      And Jeremy can't get assists when he isn't even handling the ball. I'm fine with him not scoring...but he's not even playmaking. Just standing in the corner like he's Steve Kerr!

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    6. Im not actually saying i approve of hero ball. My point is that there are so many times harden looks for lin and honestly he does look for lin a lot but so many times lin doesnt do anything with it. He just either passes it back or defers to someone else, this forces harden to try to create something and it doesnt always work out. But i think its unfair to harden to blame him like that when jeremy isnt doing much to help. Heres something i think we can both agree on: jeremy needs to step it up a notch, we can only make excuses for him for so long.

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  23. Lin not shooting well again. He needs to penetrate and dish.

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    1. that would be too logical smoovies, lets continue using our 8 million dollar superstar as a floor spreader and not utilize his strengths..

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    2. Toney Douglas is penetrating and dishing, playing good defense. Jeremy better step it up.

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    3. I'm with you Smoovies. He's trying to improve his weaknesses, which is nice, but ultimately he has to play to his strengths.

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    4. The one time Lin penetrated he got a nice reverse layup. Pass up the shot and drive.

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  24. i know this has been discussed before, but i think it's for certain lin is not 100% physically. he is lacking quickness and intensity on defense and getting beat consistently. this is not like him. i think the organization is doing their best to hide jlin and getting him into game shape and rehabbing his knee.

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    1. How come lin hasn't said anything about it, the coaches, reporters? Just here

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  25. Kobe Bryant Does 3 Air balls in a very tight moment against the Jazz

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgfx-bXsg4

    Anyone remember this from Kobe's early years in the NBA?

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    1. to be fair those were all contested shots. lin was so wide open it wasn't even funny. anyways forget about the shot thats in the past now.

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    2. I was a Laker fan - more of a Shaq fan - back then. Not all of Kobe's airballs were contested shots. And in some instances when they were, he should have passed the ball. And to think some people want Lin in L.A. to play with Kobe ...

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  26. Bench doing great, actually ties the game. Interesting...

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    1. Yes, TD has more energy than Lin tonight.

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    2. but why? i don't get it...shouldn't lin have more energy coming off that airball 3..he would come out aggressive and try to make up for it..

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    3. He doesn't want teams to think that he's afraid to take a 3. Even though that's a major weakness for him, he still shot a not-terrible 32% last year.

      Still, I'm with you guys. He should go back to his bread and butter by driving the lane. Even if he's not 100%, he might get some FTs. Or create putback chances for Asik.

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    4. To be honest with you i dont think he has the first step or confidence even to go back to driving to the lane. I could be wrong but watching all games so far this seems to be the case. Although i loved linsanity, like Bluedreamz said i too rather see him get like 10+ assist a game too. With his bball IQ this shouldnt be impossible. I agree with what most people are saying though whatever he does he just plain need to step it up.

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    5. It's not even about scoring.

      In order to get lots of assists, he has to attack the rim and dish once the defense collapses.

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    6. Or he can do some PnR which is something he is strong at. Watch and compare the other top point guards, they dont all just drive they find many ways to get assists.

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  27. Doh...Almost a 3...Darn it...Delfino is steppin' up, like what I see...

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  28. Jeremy seems to be playing as if he'd rather be someplace else, doing something else, as if he does not care. If that's the case, then why should I care?

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    1. hard to care when your role is pretty much set in stone. dribble ball upcount maybe find open man, but mostly pass and spread floor.

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    2. It's almost like he's too afraid of turning the ball over that he's lost his aggressiveness.

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  29. Another theory:

    Lin is doing a Carmelo Anthony Tanking!

    Lin is letting Harden play Hero ball. When they keep on losing, people will blame Harden and the coaching staff will be forced to change the offense and let him control it or else they will be fired if they keep on feeding Harden with isolations.

    Just a theory :)

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    1. no way! if lin does that, he is the biggest loser and should be ashamed of himself...

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    2. Maybe not the tanking.

      What I mean is that he's letting the offense run through Harden without any complaints. But he's not tanking on the defensive end.

      The coaching staff must realize that he must be the primary ball-handler and not a floor spacer.

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    3. @Tim Phan,

      What's maddening is that it seems as if he's content with being mediocre. I'm not seeing any urgency. He looks too comfortable, in a bad way. Honestly, I'd bench him if I was coaching to see if that sends a message to him.

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    4. Neph your theory makes lin out to look like a really bad teammate.

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    5. Not really

      Morey and the coaching staff want to put the ball in the hands of Harden 80% of the time and make Lin a spot up shooter. So, he's doing what he is TOLD by the coaches. If they keep on losing that way, they will be forced to change strategy. It is not like he's tanking. He's simply following instructions.

      I really don't see him as an effective spot up shooter. Not his STRENGTH.

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    6. @nephelauxetix,

      If he's "tanking" offensively, then he's an idiot. Toney Douglas, and hell, even Scott Machado, wouldn't mind getting some of his minutes if he wants to continue to "tank."

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    7. One problem: unlike Melo, every available evidence points to Lin playing the way that his coach wants him to. If Lin were tanking, we'd hear about it from McHale and Sampson, either directly or with leaked off-the-record stuff to the press.

      Another problem: the Rockets aren't going to keep losing. They are 3-4 ... and it looks like they are going to go 4-4 ... and they are a few plays away from being 7-1.

      Lin isn't tanking. He is getting healthy.

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    8. But that what the coaches tell him. Give the ball to Harden and go to the corner. So, he can't really do so much with that ROLE.

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    9. Neph unless u are in game huddles and practices listening to the coaches firsthand telling him "just go sit in the corner". Then its all nothing but speculation.

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    10. I said it is a theory; Never claimed it is TRUE

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  30. I wouldn't be surprised if Jeremy gradually loses PT to Toney Douglas if he doesn't step it up.

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    1. Lol it would be something if somehow Lin makes allstars cause of his massive fans just to get benched.

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    2. I want you to provide one bit of evidence that Lin's knee is 100%. Just one single bit of solitary evidence. When I saw Lin play in person in Atlanta, it obviously wasn't. I say that it will be 3-4 weeks before Lin's knee is back 100%, and that is presuming that he didn't have a setback.

      Remember Lin having to ice his knee against the Blazers? What was that, less than 2 weeks ago?

      http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/nov/03/portland-gets-95-85-ot-win-over-rockets/

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    3. Forget it Unknown. TVN is only here to bash JLin. He has no life, no hobby, just likes to paint the devil on the wall when it comes to JLin. Hes the Fox-News jeremylin.com

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    4. Actually thats your opinion of TVN. He is just saying what you are oblivious to admitting and that is: lin is playing subpar to what he should be, i agree with him as a lin fan saying this, jeremy needs to step it up.

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  31. Wow. Rockets gave their bench extended minutes and the bench played very well. Also read today that the Rockets have sent Machado and Donatas Motiejunas to D-League. They wanted to send Royce White too, but he refused to go. The Rockets might wind up dumping White for pretty much nothing.

    http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/11/lack-of-playing-time-one-of-issues-in-royce-white-conflict-with-rockets/

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  32. D'oh! Jeremy has been robbed of 3 assists by blown layups.

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    1. Lack of athleticism by his teammates... what can anyone do anything about this?

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    2. JLin needs to reward $50 per completed assist

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  33. JLin's potential 2 assists are gone because Asik and Paterson couldn't finish.
    This young team needs to learn to go for the kill by finishing strong.

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  34. Harden has 0 assists and is 1-4 from 3 point land. He has to pick it up.

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    1. I like that Harden passed up some 3's and drove it to the basket. Good things happen when you drive the lane. Layup, foul or pass to open teammate.

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  35. Hornets look horrible except for Davis.

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  36. rockets can't finish at the basket. Lost assists for Lin. I guest you can't expect to much from a team filled with 3 pt specialist.

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  37. Jeremy lin is not the Jlin I know,he lost his confidence,he is the PG but not really a PG,he's there just to bring to ball to mid court and pass to someone else,its very frustrating to see him this way!Jlin wake up otherwise you will lose your starting role!

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    1. Lose the starting role? To who? So ... the Rockets are going to start 2 shooting guards? Except they don't have 2 good shooting guards!

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    2. I agree. Hope he get's back to where he was.

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    3. I agree with the losing confidence part. all other parts I either disagree or I am not sure!

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  38. Lin clearly isn't an elite player on his own. He's like Nash, needs good people around him to look great and free him up. He'd be up there in assists if he had quality front line finishers; we all can see that. As bad as Amare is on defense, he hardly blew feeds from Lin. Ditto for Tyson C.

    Marcus Morris is surprisingly decent. Maybe in yr2 of his Rockets contract, Lin will figure it out and come back strong like Morris.

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    1. Lin clearly is not healthy.

      http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/nov/03/portland-gets-95-85-ot-win-over-rockets/

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    2. Every point guard needs quality players around him. Westbrook has Durant, Rondo has KG and pierce, Paul has Griffin, etc...

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    3. Morris is surprising decent PF for a 3pt specialist.

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    4. i really hope he's really injured or something cause this lin is so crappy. I hope he's taking it cautiously then gets stronger and back to how he is capable of playing..hopefully he's smart and realizes its an 82 game season, not need to play linsanity ball this early when knee is not strong enough yet...

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  39. OMG FINALLY STEAL AND TAKE CHARGE LIN!!! Y'ALL SEE THE SPEED??? GET SOME HORNETS!!! YAH!!!

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    1. All on a knee that's 70% according to the doctors here. How does he do it

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  40. Hm, it's clear that JLin still did not have the explosion because he did not have lift when attacking the basket. But good job trying.

    3 steals, baby!

    Morris went for the killer 3.

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    1. Lin is lacking in vertical, even more so than last year. His vertical is clearly worse than in college. He use to dunk in games, can't even dunk on breakaways right now anymore. If Lin can get his vertical back up, he will get his game back. He needs to do some crazy plyometric work this summer.

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    2. Interestingly, he got a lot of height when he did the layup after the steal so he didn't have a problem jumping with a running start.

      Good point, swingline. It's the previous possession when he had to stop and jump that he didn't have the elevation. His vertical stop-jump is certainly not 100%. He'll be back to his old self when he's fully recovered and rebuild the muscle necessary to explode.

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  41. Looking a little better here.

    Harden getting most of his point in the offense (except the start and end of the half).

    Jeremy penetrating a bit more. Even when he missed a layup in traffic, they almost got the putback.

    And he kept it himself in transition after he got a steal...and finished it nicely.

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    1. *"in the rhythm of the offense," I mean!

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    2. Nice sequence for him. Knee bothered him there?

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  42. Lin is at least 3 times better than Vasquez. If Sampson allows Lin to play in the 2nd half, Lin will get 6 steals for the game or at least turn over Vasquez 4-5 more times in the second half causing Vasquez to become conservative.

    Lin clearly has Vasquez's number...Lin is a much better athlete than Vasquez even injured...

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    1. i don't know this year, vasquez is ballin, not agood shooter but coach has a lot of faith in him. sad last year it wouldn't even be close.

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    2. Lin's defense owns guys like Vasquez. He is quicker athletically AND mentally. In preseason, Lin owned Vasquez on defense and it was showing again late 2nd quarter.

      Lin will come out owning Vasquez in 2nd half on defense if Lin gets to play.

      Lin's layup is the first sign of conscious aggression this year. He could have passed it off and decided to freaking score the ball.

      By year's end it would be hilarious if Lin's defense becomes feared and recognized. The media will say Lin lost his offense at the expense of playing D because he now focuses on his defense due to the hate from lat year.

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    3. Let's root for JLin to get 6 steals or more!

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    4. i love how he handles mis matches. showed no fear against lbj and wade and shut down gallo too.

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  43. the only time jeremy gets an opportunity to play like himself is on the fast breaks.

    otherwise this offense is just bunk

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    1. lol i noticed that too. maybe why hes so anxious for steals.

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  44. I'm more interested in what the Rockets will do against Portland. This Hornets are too weak a team to really challenge the Rockets.

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    1. I'm driving 3 hours to see Jeremy in Portland. Anybody else going to Rockets away games to see Jeremy in person?

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    2. oh...mine..why don't you wait to say that when the Rockets actually win this one??? never underestimate your opponent!

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  45. Anyone else saw Harden not happy after Morris waived him off and nailed the three? This is not good for chemistry. Morris got the hot hand so he should shoot it.

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    1. The Harden end of quarter iso's are horrific..

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  46. So hard to watch Lin miss all these 3s...

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    1. He needs to think drive and penetrate first.

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  47. Harden is a lazy defender...whomever he's guarding is scoring or open...

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  48. These Rockets commentators are really talking shit about Lin. Anyone else watching the game and listening to them talk negative about Lin?

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    1. I heard it. They basicly said Lin was overpaid and overrated.

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    2. When Vasquez was posting up Lin, commentator 1 says, "Vasquez is posting to up Lin" Commentator 2 says, "That might not be a bad idea..."

      Commentator 1 says, "If Vasquez plays at this level,...his contract extention is going to be a steal..."

      Commentator 2 says, "It's less pressure to play if you're not making that much..."

      Commentator 1 says, "Not like if you're someone like Lin who is might be overpaid if he doesn't end up performing..."

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    3. me too can't even imagine what the fans think, really annoying seeing all these empty seats.

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    4. lord...that' really some shit they are talking about lin! damn..why can't people just get over lin's 25 ml??? I mean, look how much you are paying Harden? can him bring you a win? hm...for that two games! why always pick on my jeremy?!! Maybe from basketball perspective to some he is not worth 25 ml, but he paid off with his marketing potential alright?! stop talk about that 25 ml 25 ml 25 ml!!! Jesus!

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    5. Are you guys listening to the Rockets or Hornets commentators?

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    6. Etymology, you're listening to the Hornet's announcers....

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    7. They're usually pretty high on Lin, but I guess not tonight.

      One guy also said: "He may not look it..." when talking about Lin being a good defender. What does THAT supposed to mean?

      But who really cares? I just want to see Lin run some high pick and rolls, penetrate, dish and swish. Oh, and get some calls -- he got poked in the eye on that "missed" layup, but the refs just let it go. Meanwhile, Vazquez gets a whistle anytime there's light contact at the rim...

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    8. what commentators are saying could be true. He is paid to perform yet his performance so far has been sub par. Not sure what else he can do to change that since Harden is taking more than half of the entire team's shots and taking away shots from JLin. Also JLin really isn't making his shots either... It appears that McHale lost trust in JLin. He has the least of minutes in all starters... good chance that JLin might be out of Houston before all-star break...

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    9. @lydia lien,

      You just answered your own question. It SHOULD be about basketball, and basketball only. Who the heck gets signed based on marketing? Tim Tebow, who's become the most ridiculed NFL player in recent memory?

      Barely anyone is at the this game, so it looks like neither Harden nor Lin are putting butts in seats. So much for marketing...

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    10. Ah, yeah, those guys are listening to the Hornets (who aren't high on Lin, even last year).

      But even the Rockets' guys made that remark about Lin not "looking" like a great defender. Which is weird because he make a lot of highlight defensive plays (steals, blocks, one-on-one against Lebron and Gallinari).

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    11. The commentators I'm listening to were praising Lin's defense.

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    12. That's what made it surprising. They were talking about how he's a good defender and added: "He may not look it..." which made me scratch my head.

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    13. They are virtually unwatchable. Harden ball only works on Detroits, NO's....Harden can do it on 3Q on good teams and then the good teams clamp down in Q4 and it's over for the Rockets. Why pay for that..Until something changes, I wouldn't pay money to watch that either...

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    14. I might be listening to the Hornet's announcers. Even so, that's some serious haterade on Lin. These commentators are like praising other Rocket players, except for Lin.

      I think they're trying to teach Lin how to be an overall type of PG. A PG that can shoot, penetrate, and take jump shots. A complete PG. What better place to develop your skills than a team that won't be making the playoffs this year.

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    15. But I'm watching the game in League Pass, so I'm assuming it should be commentators for the Rockets no?

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    16. @lydia lien:

      Its envy and hatred -> so simple. You have to understand that a big part of the US population believe they have the god given right to look down on asian people (before that it was probably latinos, jews or black people). Those people keep telling themselves that asians are lesser people so they feel better about themselves.

      Just take Nemo blabla Media -> he shows up here only to bash Lin all the time. He produces videos (on youtube) in which he claims that Lin is working for the devil. Perfect example of what Im talking about.

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    17. @Etymology, I don't think they'll have the Rocket's commentators on League Pass. Comcast has monopolized the Rockets completely. Hornets are being broadcast via Fox Sports.

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    18. especially that old white dude is sooooo anti lin

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    19. "He don't look it" - Americans don't mean to be racists, they just are....He don't look it because he looks Asian. It's inherent in the culture. Because why would a 6 foot 3 PG who weighs 200 lbs with long arms not look like he can play defense?

      If you had the commentator take a lie detector test, he would pass if he was asked if he was being racist or had a racist thought!

      This is America folks for you sheltered people out there. It's ingrained in our culture. It's not even racism! It's just how it is.

      Lin has never looked the part on anything....Jeff Van Gundy to Bullard to Clyde to whomever..Lin looks weak, don't look it, isn't as weak as he looks...it is what it is!

      America would tell you to stop being so sensitive or go back to China..

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    20. @TVT you clearly don't read in what I mean there or you fail to understand what it mean or you choose to be blind and really understand what it means!!! I will not further explain it! all others who understand will understands like @willydilly!

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    21. Lydia his marketing potential does absolutely nothing for real basketball heads and junkies. So what if the rockets make money back from lin's marketing, does that bring wins/championships? He needs to show that his worth is actually in his basketball contribution and not from marketing power. I have faith he will over time as he develops.

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  49. Vasquez is filling up the stat sheet!

    18 and 8 in the 3rd quarter is pretty good

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    1. its nice when a coach has faith in you and lets you run the team..

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    2. Man, you said it.

      BTW, I like Vazquez. He's made a lot of progress since his rookie year. But even he has more freedom than Lin, who's basically playing a Derek Fisher role.

      Best to wait until McHale is back and Jeremy's knee is full strength. The season is still very young, there's plenty of time to get back on track!

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  50. Lin has really no other option but to get his jump shot back if harden is going to continue to drive like that. You have 2 identical players doing the same thing.

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  51. Jeremy Lin is looking really bad y'all. That airball last game has been overblown and is has everyone dissing him. This was the game for him to shut everyone up. I heard Steven A. Smith laughing at Lin on espn radio yesterday. He was clowing him. If lin don't do good this game...its not going to help his image. BTW..Lin will make the AllStar game.

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  52. ouch.. Greg Smith got dislocated pinkie!

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  53. The Rockets are lucky that they are facing the likes of Hornets. This is similar to the Pistons game (in a way). They are winning because the other team is just worse than them.

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  54. Interesting backcourt duo with Douglas and Lin at the end of 3Q. Lin to Douglas for 3!

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  55. nobody passed to wide open lin by 3pt line. His own team don't believe in him anymore. wtf?!?

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  56. I think he falls down on his own at least 2 or 3 times a game.

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