Monday, November 26, 2012

Jeremy's Shot, Before and After

OK. Here is what Jeremy's shot looked like before Doc:


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Here it is after Doc:




I believe the main reason Jeremy had such an unorthodox shot was that he was so small up to the 9th grade (5'3" as a freshman), he had to basically heave the ball up from behind his head to get it to the basket. He actually became pretty proficient with this technique and put up decent percentages in college. However, his shot was not repeatable and he had so many flaws such as:

-almost releasing it on the way down
-taking an all out jump on every shot
-kicking his legs out
-taking it behind his head and then whipping it back up

just to name a few.

As you can see, what Doc did in one summer was basically a miraculous change in form. Normally, I'd guess a change like this would take a few years. So, please be informed before attacking someone. Realize, that JLin didn't get to work with Doc much this summer. So, to say he should get another shooting coach, makes no sense. He actually needs to hire Doc full time so he can actually help JLin get back to what he was doing last year.


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  2. That Toronto shot form looks better than the shooting motion he has now. It seems like he regressed back slightly to his previous form.

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  3. Lin needs to get Doc a first class ticket to HOU to help him out/give him confidence with his shot. Yea, i know HOU has awesome, professional asst coaches/shooting experts but Doc knows Lin.

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    1. Yeah, maybe. If that's what Lin really feels will give him an edge: But how could that be if Lin never looked around to compare? Whoever it is, hire a great one.

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  5. Maybe hiring a NBA players' shooting coach who also specializes in 3-point shooting would be better for his career.

    Why not hire the best in the business? I don't think anyone else (both coach and trainer) was ever considered. For one thing, Lin didn't even know he'll be a first backup, let alone a stater. Now that he's in and making good money, why not hire one of the best in the business. Being a starter is never guaranteed permanently, which is why every motivated player trains smart and hard every chance he geets. Smart part is where the best hiring comes in..... In every industry, not everyone is created equally. Look at RAllen's 3-pointer coach.

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    1. Totally agree. Exactly like what I said in my old post.(See Below) Why must Lin stick with Doc Scheppler all the time ? Now I'm not saying that Doc Scheppler is a scrub. For all we know, he might just be "Ok". But why would Lin want to settle with just being "OK". Why not work with the "Best" instead ? Why not hire someone who has a proven track record of working with NBA players ? Why settle for a "no name" (among good NBA shooters) high school girl coach ?

      Seriously, somebody needs to advice Lin on this.

      My old post below :

      Jeremy Lin needs to find another shooting coach.

      Seriously, it's already 11 games into the regular season and his 3 point shooting is still bad.

      Now I've heard from some people that Jeremy Lin's shooting coach is actually Doc Scheppler. With all due respect to this guy but seriously, other than being a girl high school basketball coach with a few State Championships under his belt, does he have any record of working with NBA players ? What are some of his other credentials ? Someone commented that Jeremy Lin's shooting form is way off & is more suited for girls, is this true ?

      I just don't understand, why can't Lin get a good shooting coach with a good track record in the NBA like Dave Hopla (Ray Allen Shooting Coach) ?

      Just look what the knicks did during the off-season.

      Knicks hire Hopla as an assistant coach
      http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/25053/knicks-hire-hopla-as-assistant-coach

      And the result ?

      New York Knicks Have Improved Offensively and Defensively
      http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2012/11/08/new-york-knicks-have-improved-offensively-and-defensively/

      Excerpt :
      With the addition of new shooting coach Dave Hopla, the Knicks’ 3-point shooting ranks second at 45.3-percent, a big improvement from their 21st-ranked 33.6-percent from last year. They also rank third in free throw shooting, making 82.7-percent of their attempts improving from their 22nd-ranked 74.1-percent last season.

      Seriously, if the Knicks as a whole can improve on their shooting just over the off-season with the help of Dave Hopla, I don't see why Jeremy Lin can't do it. Unless you're telling me that Jeremy Lin is a slow learner.

      And on top of all this, I believe Dave Hopla is also a Christian himself and he spoke quite highly of Jeremy:
      http://www.davehopla.com/2012/02/jeremy-lin/

      If Jeremy can't hire Dave Hopla as his shooting coach (assuming Dave Hopla's contract with the Knicks prevents him from doing so - if there is actually such a thing) or if Jeremy is afraid he might "offend" Doc Scheppler, then at least he should buy some of his videos here: http://www.davehopla.com/blog/videos.php

      And My God, who is your trainer ? Josh Fan ? Who on earth is that guy ? I'm not dissing him but my God, Jeremy, you're not in high school anymore, you're in the NBA already. Get a good coach & dedicated shooting coach already cause if you don't, I don't think you'll ever gonna come out of your shooting slump.

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    2. Yes, I remember reading your post. I also think it's worth re-posting.

      My point is, I don't believe Lin has ever considered anyone else.

      At the very least, maybe he could get his personal coach to study the Hopla CD and teach his methods to Jeremy.

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    3. I'm the one who said that Lin's shooting form was great for girls.

      Girls have different joints than men. They have to be more squared up in their shot, particularly in footwork and placement of the ball closer to the center of the forehead. That's what it takes for a girl to shoot a straight shot with a good arc.

      In recent games, Lin has been shooting more from the side of his head like real NBA players do. Plus he's angling his footwork better. That's how NBA stars like John Stockton and Michael Jordan shot, and if it's good enough for Stockton and Jordan then it's good enough for Jeremy Lin!

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  6. Thanks to JLinfan#1 for the vids and comparison. So Jeremy is well aware of the works required for better scoring, he could have gotten Doc full time to help him...or the Rox coaching staff is helping him now?

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    1. Houston actually don't need to look elsewhere. They have 2 guys named Calvin Murphy and Clyde Drexler who would be pretty good shooting coaches for Lin. They are probably better at coaching than their current job of commentating too!

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    2. Cara, what a relief to know that Houston Rockets have 2 good shooting coaches to help Jeremy out. Guess we fans really just have to be a lil bit patient before Jeremy has fully transformed his shooting techniques. :)

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    3. oh my bad...I thought Clyde Drexler and Calvin Murphy are the coaching staff of the Rox. Watched a vid posted by one of the members of this board...Calvin Murphy has huge belief in Jeremy and he questioned Sampson's decision to sit Jeremy in overtime loss to Blazers. Getting him to help Jeremy's shooting can be a good idea.

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    4. From wiki info, Murphy shot 90%+ FT back in his playing days and Drexler of course was an all time great guard. Both are very qualified teachers who Lin can learn from.

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    5. When I first came on this board in January, I wrote that Lin needed to learn how to dribble with his back to the basket.

      In the 70s and 80s, players dribbled like that all the time. That fell out of vogue over time, likely because of modern coaches' obsession with the 3 point shot (a no no in the old days).

      If I were Lin's coach, I'd teach how how to turn his butt into those smaller defenders and back them down Oscar Robertson style. Instead of constantly trying to beat guys with lateral quickness (still not quite there due to knee), Lin could be power dribbling down smaller weaker opponents to break them down. That would increase Lin's FG% while taking full advantage of his superior size over almost every NBA point guard.

      The other benefit of having a back down power dribble is that Lin is a SUPERB turnaround jump shooter. When he spins and then elevates, he goes up in either direction with flawless form the way his father taught him. He's got the ball on the right side of his head, he goes up securely in one fluid motion, and he elevates beyond the reach of defenders.

      I wish Lin had a personal coach from the 80s who played the guard position and could teach him these moves. My initial choice was Micheal Ray Richardson, who is an incredible minor league coach and can teach Jeremy Lin EVERYTHING he needs to know for the NBA.

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  7. In my opinion, JLin old form looks more effortless.

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  8. Jeremy will get his shot back, either with Doc or someone else. I have faith in him. Even though I saw with my own eyes (at Staples) that his shot was off, I am sure he will make changes and will start draining big points.

    I'm very excited that Parsons is emerging. They can be a triple threat with Lin, Harden and Parsons. Omer will just love to grab rebounds and not shoot (he doesn't even want the ball).

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    1. Don't be too excited with Parsons. I've reviewed every made shot in the Knicks game. They were a variety of open Layups and 3pts. Probably only 2 were contested or tough shots.

      He is still not scouted. When he is scouted, then he'll definitely be affected.

      Just look at Harden's first 2 games: He was sizzling in those games because there were no scouting reports about him. Then, the next few games, the defense adjusted and forced him into low quality shots and a lot of turnovers.

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    2. Rockets will continue to get exposed esp by the top teams. Lin was first, Harden to a lesser degree, and definitely Parsons next. Its par for the course.

      Though I think Parsons is determined, so is Lin. They're going to have more bad nights like vs Jazz, December is going to be rough. But its better sooner than later. I'd be happy if they win 3 out of 6 games AFTER the Raptors game.

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    3. The next six games after the Raptors will be tough. They could have a 6-game losing streak.

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    4. I agree with neph about Parsons and Harden.

      While both those players have adjusted nicely to McHale's constant edict to move the ball if they run into traps, sometimes that's not enough in the NBA. A guy has to be able to turn, keep dribbling, and not automatically pass every time.

      Jeremy Lin still gets double teamed off perimeter dribble drives, but he's learning to freeze defenses with a hesitation before he kicks out. Now if Lin can learn to back dribble like John Stockton, he might be able to elevate for a few uncontested jumpers the way Stockton did!

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    5. OK, this is ridiculous. It's hard to remain quiet when someone says that Parsons isn't scouted. ARE--YOU--KIDDING--ME? ? !

      Parson's started all last year and has been starting all this year. YES, he is scouted. People complain about others not being fair in judging Jeremy Lin and then you say these things about Parsons that are completely unfounded?

      And Harden is still playing amazing. He's averaging 25 points a game at 44% FGP. He's also averaging 5 assists a game and 4 rebounds. He's, without question, one of the most dominant NBA players in the game.

      If you desire fair judgment for Jeremy Lin, then you should make an effort to be objective with other players.

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    6. Thanks for saying that Bamboo. Correct on all accounts. Someone who says Parsons hasn't been scouted DID NOT watch the Rockets before Lin got there.

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  9. I think every time Lin feels down he should just watch the Raptors clutch shot.

    It sure as heck makes my blood run. Moments like this isn't something that will fade and never happen again, he needs to understand if he wants to he can make it happen day in day out.

    Yeah I'm one of the ones complaining about his shot. His current shot does look like his old, I hadn't realized Scheppler was schooling him during Linsanity, my bad.

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  10. 32.46 Morey on Slate's Hang Up and Listen
    [talks about JLin, Harden, White, and advanced statistics in pro bball.]

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  11. Lin's starting to revert ("regress") to his old form!

    He's starting to turn that body and just let the ball fly. No thinking, just shooting!

    I suspect that Kevin McHale and Kelvin Sampson have been telling Lin exactly what they've been harping on since preseason: don't think so much, don't press so hard, don't worry about making shots. JUST SHOOT!!!

    I've been Doc's biggest critic, but Lin's been getting better results for whatever reason recently. I'm good with whoever coaches Lin as long as Lin continues to shoot well.

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    1. I think we all mean well when we suggest that Jeremy "should change his shooting coach, should change his trainer", etc, etc. Nobody really meant to attack anybody except for a few faux fans are here to spread lies, to divide and create havoc.

      I think it's very clear in Morey's repeated public statements that the Rockets are in the mode of building around Harden moving forward. Needless to say, Jeremy's role is diminished after Harden's trade but Jeremy's contributions to the Rox making to the playoffs should not be discounted at this point in time. For that obvious reason, McHale and Sampson are doing their best to guide/advise Jeremy.

      I am no expert like many of you in terms of bball shooting but my hopes for seeing the Linsane shooting form liven up when KHuang says Lin's been getting better results! :)

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    2. Only slight tweaks should have been made to his shot. Unorthodox forms can still be consistent contrary to popular belief.

      Just ask Kevin Martin or Peja or Matt Bonner. Maybe even Shawn Marion or Derek Fisher.

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    3. Michael Redd cocked it back as well. Nonetheless, a great shooter.

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  12. I hope he has a good game tonight.

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  13. From looking at the first video, it's hard to tell (maybe because the video quality is not good), but aside from the fact that he is shooting the ball on the way down, his first form does not look bad at all. On the first video, the way he turns his body so that his right side is facing the basket looks fine to me.

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  14. At least Houston fans seem to be relatively patient waiting for the shots to fall. Felton had ONE bad shooting game (3-19) yesterday and fans were merciless!

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    1. Felton is a hack. i'd look sweet also if the guy i dumped the ball off to all the time was Melo (who was shooting lights out) and i had tyson chandler putting back all my missed layups. the Knicks showed exactly what would happen if Kidd weren't around and Felton (supposedly better than Lin) was allowed to run with it. Knicks are 9-4 now with a couple of easy games coming up...but i expect that record to get closer to .500 as the season progresses. They're NOT a championship team.

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  15. That's partly because Lin doesn't take so many shots that hinders others from scoring.

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  16. houston is still meshing. no worries. they're finding more and more weapons at their disposal each game. earlier in the season it was harden's dribble penetration. then it was the stellar interior defense and surprising offense of the asik patterson tandem. now we're finding out the athleticism and 3 pt prowess of morris, and the mvp potential of parsons. teams are going to have a tough time defending these threats, especially now that there is more than just harden as scoring threats. Lin is regaining his swagger, you can see it. they're still double teaming him all the time, but with the emergence of parsons, i'm confident the court spacing will be much better going forward. I'm so glad they recalled DMo. I predict he's gonna bust out solid numbers while asik rests. SHUHOW FTW!

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  17. kinda hard to see Lin's shot from that weird angle during his Harvard days. It looked fine to me...the important thing is that he was shooting with one hand. I don't like that this blog keeps promoting Jeremy's shooting coach.

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  18. maybe shuhow should just get some. someone in this forum once commented that tappin dat a-- could help his game and i'm inclined to agree.

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    1. Being that he seems extremely religious (almost too much at times) I doubt it'll happen.

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  19. I missed it: What kind of shot was Jeremy's first shot of the game?

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