Now, who care about Tyson? Season will begin, time to concentrate fully it!He also has an empty complain, is not a recent emotional and out of control?Moreover, Jeremy Lin was not any to provoke him, Tyson is to grab news!
Sounds like Tyson Chandler's comments against Jeremy Lin were carefully scripted as a PR move for the Knicks. I don't think it will work at all to change the public's perception of you guys. Lin and his agents simply won the free agency game: They were on to the Knicks, and were inspired to view the set up from the mountain on high, like a soaring eagle; what they saw was maize-like roads with traps set up in various places, which enabled them to navigate them brilliantly and safely!
And, they must have thought that garbage spewing out from Tyson Chandler's mouth will lend more credibility - I think everybody knows that he's not Mother Theresa? Also, Felton must have needed a confidence booster. LOL.
@ ztrta He's DPY. People often mistake ability with integrity. They tend to believe people they look up to [see how many celebrity get to spout off on stuff they know crap about, and they are believed.]
I used to like Chandler because he was a moderate veteran "big" on the Knicks when Lin was there, if you know what I mean. Now, he'll just get his karma like the rest, I feel.
Oh well, it'll be fun watching the Rockets this year. And I'll also enjoy watching my other favorite team, the Celtics - as well all others teams in the Atlantic Division, all with *fantastic* offseason - btsoo the Knicks.
BTW, I like the google translation (I think) of the lead poster from China (I think). I think it's fun to read, and I understand him or her perfectly! (;~)
Reverse google translate...cool idea. The meaning of the post comes out clearer.
I don't think JLin provoked Tyson. Nor was Tyson emotionally unstable. It's more of the opposite. Its a planned and calculated stance for letting JLin go which the organization probably briefed some of the players on.
Oh yeah, I said "I don't think JLin provoked Tyson" in agreement. And "Nor was Tyson emotionally unstable" also in agreement, since OP was probably asking a rhetoric.
With regard to grabbing news... I don't know, Tyson never seemed like those attention grabbing type of guys.
Correct. Tyson is usually not that type - which is why everyone thinks Tyson is used by the Knicks as a PR mouthpiece. To my mind, I feel that's what the OP was saying in so many words (or the translation machine did). The spin did make the news, didn't it?
Tyson sold out and did his employer the favor, and agreed to say them "just so". It made Tyson less likable to many, so maybe Dolan will give him a really nice and expensive birthday or Christmas present.
Tyson probably didn't say it to make news for himself though, which I think is what the OP was suggesting.
Although the Knicks may be using Tyson as a PR mouthpiece, Tyson's comments throughout was quite consistent that he felt JLin was inexperienced, which is true to a certain degree. Its just baffling that inexperience (in running a simple dump the ball into the post offence) seems to be Tyson's/Knicks PR underlying reason behind not matching.
Yeah, its probably the best way to put it. As someone mentioned in one of the threads mentioned, Tyson was probably trying to be diplomatic by using a seemingly objective fact like inexperience.
When I think whether there was nothing wrong with Tyson saying JLin is inexperienced, I ask why he said that. He said it to support the opinion that JLin can't run the Knicks O. Within that context, saying JLin is inexperienced is simply O_o
The Knicks #1 reason for such a PR statement is to put Carmelo in a very good light, as they begin the new season. The reason being, the root cause of not everyone "buying in" to the team's strategy when MD was there (once Carmelo came back fro injury), was Carmelo's jealousy and resentment towards Jeremy Lin (and that was big, because Carmelo is the $20 million/year *captain* of the team.
Spinning things to put Carmelo in the most positive light to the public has been and continues to be a mission of:
- Dolan (I made the right decision in acquiring Carmelo and in such a manner).
- Creative Artists Agency (We want Carmelo to have a legacy signature shoes a la Michael Jordan).
- Carmelo (Thanks for joining forces with my agent in doing PR on my behalf. I need to be loved more by the fans; I have thinner skin than you think; I want the Garden to be my house; as I shouted "This is MY HOUSE!" when I had that huge game after Lin and D'Antoni wasn't there. And yes, the shoes)
- Woodson (Put the positive spin on Carmelo and myself at Lin's expense. Everybody knows how fond I am of the veteran players in the league, as well as Carmelo. Thus, Lin had to go, once Felton came in, because the fans would NOT understand why I chose Felton to start over Lin. The big-three's clock is ticking. All these aging vets have two good years left and it will prove that I WAS RIGHT. The fans and the media wouldn't bother to look at the fact that Amare is now trained to play at the post, or that every team now had time to practice, or that our roster is 50% different and that our bench is much upgraded, or that everyone is now buying in. All they will NOTICE is that we are and were a significantly better team *WITHOUT* Jeremy Lin no longer on our team!
- Tyson Chandler (Now that the season will begin, it's important to me that Carmelo, JR, and Woodson know that, without a shred of doubt, the team has my back).
Hope some of the posters who were lol at the rest of us who believed Tyson to have lost his way can now face up and admit he's a total sell out and has lost respect from many fans. Can't wait for the 1st game between the 2 teams. What a dramatic season this is going to be. Very epic. A rivalry has been born.
Ray Ray and the celtcs had a really tight unit until what was thought to be the end of their hoop careers. Ray joining their ultimate rivals deserved the backlash. JLin was no benedict arnold and just really looking for any job opportunity so not sure why the cheapshot here.
Jeremy has never badges the Knicks or ANYBODY because of his values as a Christian. It has nothing to do with loyalty, he is genuinely an honest, forgiving person who holds no grudges.
I hope JLin's not going to be overly modest/ gracious this time when he's asked to comment about this garbage. It's garbage. Do not seem like he's corroborating their claims by even agreeing he's inexperienced [since people will only associate his nod with "can't run the offense" etc]
"I'm not thinking about that." would be the right reply, smile, change the subject. Stay above the fray.
It's also better for Lin to not react to it much, if any, because I'm beginning to think that the Knicks want a reaction our of him...... Hahaha, I don't think it'll work. Why? Because:
Lin is smart. Lin's parents are smart. Lin's agents are smart.
Come on guys - you know how much of a Lin fan I am but whats wrong with saying Lin was inexperienced? In fact - judging by the minutes and number of games he got to play before Linsanity -> he had to be inexperienced. Where would the experience come from?
Now here is what Im thinking...
Lin is a great athlete and bball player - hes got swagger and hes a smart work horse. He already proved that. Inexperience can be fixed - easily. If Lin was inexperienced last year how is he gonna play once he is experienced?
I take it as if Tyson just said -> JLin is young, the new guys are old. Amare and Melo believe things are gonna work out better for them now. I dont blame Chandler. As a team player the team opinion is your opinion. As long as he doesnt claim that JLin is a bad bball player Im good. Like I said - inexperience can be easily fixed :)
Keep in mind Amare and Melo need to blame their lag of production on someone. Believe it or not but there are people who still think these two havent deserved their contracts yet. Besides - they need to push Felton and Kid so these two dont feel like plan b and c (what they actually are - at least for all JLin supporters in NY).
I dont take that "persona non grata" thing serious - I believe thats a creation of "Gotham City Media". I bet if JLin were to come to MSG people would still go nuts JEREMY JEREMY JEREMY and Dolan would not dare look JLin in the eye.
But true - Dolan doesnt want to talk about JLin anymore. Why would he. JLin is no longer on the team. Dolan got burned when he said what he said about JLin and people bashed him for it (on tv, in articles, on youtube, street interviews, parody songs). Basicly he was being portrayed as a rich greedy lying incapable owner whos only interested in power play.
Woodson is concentrating on his training camp and he doesnt want to deal with all the JLin regarding questions that the media ask (cause people in NY still care for JLin). I dont blame him. Of course JLin has to learn a lot. Hes 24 for god sake... he will learn and hes gonna kick more ass the more he learns.
When Lin penetrated, and made great passes to Tyson for him to score easily, he never complained about his being inexperienced, or not able to get people the ball in the right spots.
Where were all Lin's contributions of saving the dying NKY back then? It seems everyone in NYK just suddenly suffers memory loss.
I understand Tyson is still in NYK, and he has to look out for himself, but he should not do it at Lin's expense.
No matter whether the words came from the script written by the management, or really from Tyson himself, it's just a typical dirty back-stabbing act done by NYK (similar to what melo/jr did).
I thought Tyson was the only decent guy left in that organization. I guess I was wrong.
* though Lin only started 25 games back then, his performance during those games was at the level of experienced players (I remember D'Antoni said similar comments in a post game interview).
* the main point I wanted to say was "Tyson never complained about his being inexperienced when Lin was making lots of passes to him for easy scoring", and now suddenly after half a year he is complaining about it, so I am not able to make myself agree that there is nothing wrong for him to say so. Hope I explain myself well :-)
No one in NY [except the fans] is fooled by the Nyk FO, trying once again to justify their crap decisions by slandering JLin. Howad Beck [who's now on the Nets, but can't help chiming in LOL] makes an observation:
Howard Beck @HowardBeckNYT Tyson Chandler's probably right that Knicks needed an experienced PG. But it wasn't an either-or decision. They still could have kept Lin. 12:33 PM - 6 Oct 12
[Beck is now being accused of being biased to JLin as he argue with people over the lux tax - another Nyk lie: They could have used the Stretch provision,to "stretch" the amount across several years.]
Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA still reading that matching hou on lin would have subject knicks to repeater tax penalties in year 3. not true, as I read cba. 6:22 AM - 1 Oct 12
"I dont take that "persona non grata" thing serious - I believe thats a creation of "Gotham City Media". I bet if JLin were to come to MSG people would still go nuts JEREMY JEREMY JEREMY and Dolan would not dare look JLin in the eye."
- :) NY is far from over JLin. Can't wait for the season to start and Felton & Co to f up. Lacob getting booed is nothing compared to what Dolan will get.
Jeremy did make his contributions and he was awesome (especially in the Dantoni System) but there is nothing about Tysons statement that negated that. He didnt say JLins bad. He sad JLin was inexperienced as PG. Again - judging by minutes and numbers of games Lin played thats an OK statement.
As JLin fans we must take criticism as they are - not as what we think they are. Cant hate on every single player who says something about JLin.
Watch JLins interviews from Linsanity. JLin himself said he hasnt seen different coverages before and that he had to learn from game to game - fearn routines on the fly.
I must admit with the Beck statement though. This argument of Lin being inexperienced would not have been valid anymore had Lin started for Knicks this season. Why? Cause it would have been the second season with the Knicks and this season they would have had a regular training camp... (unlike last year where Lin was thrown into the game - mostly just practicing with bench players).
I'm ok with criticism if that's fair, correct, or consistent.
If he did explicitly complain about it back then, and now he is still saying the same thing, that's consistent, then I have no issue with that.
Otherwise, he is saying these to cover for the organization's lies and propaganda, then I don't think that's a decent thing to do (I understand he is still in that organization, and has to look out for himself, but there are millions of OTHER ways to lift up the morale of his team. That organization repeatedly says they don't want to talk about Lin, but when it comes to cases like this, they use the technique of criticizing Lin to promote themselves, is that a right thing to do?)
Maybe youre right. Maybe they shoudlnt say anything at all. But - we have to asume that the media keeps asking JLin related questions. After all - there are still JLin fans in NY - also in the media.
Lins gone and Felton and Kid are there. That needs explaination - so theres no way around putting them (Felton, Kid, Lin) in comparism. The only thing Felton and Kid can claim is experience. Its not flattering to say Lin is/was inexperienced but I dont think of it as negative either. Its just stating the obvious - a diplomatic way to basicly say nothing at all. Would you prefer it if Tyson said JLin was an old hand?
JLin himself said during Linsanity that he continuously had to learn on the fly. Why? He said there were coverages he hasnt seen before, said he never had a chance to practice with the stars - bench only, compressed schedule, no time etc.
JLin didnt just have good times in NY. He also had tough times and eventhough I cant remember people saying he was inexperienced back then - I remember people (incl. JLin himself) saying that he was young, had to learn a lot et cetera and thats ok.
I like to think of JLin as inexperienced. Talking of someone as experienced basicly means -> thats all you get. Talking of someone as inexperienced means -> there a lot more to come. Think of a JLin 2.0 - how awesome will that be?
I forgot - Tyson also talked about JLin not being able to get the guys the ball where they want it. If you read between the lines you know he is talking about Melo and Amare and people really do wonder if theres anyone who can get them the ball where they want it :)
Basicly the whole discussion revolves about the stars who didnt perform well (some say not worth the money) and the "rookie" who exceeded all expectations (JLin). I read an article citing Tysons words but also citing Melos words. Melo claimed he doesnt want to be the guy anymore who scores 30 to 40 a game. Just when he realized he was useless unless he scored he backed down - saying that he would still score...!?!?!?!
In my eyes - Knicks are just dealing with their own troubles and Im glad JLin is with the Rockets.
Its nothing wrong to say a person is inexperienced, but its silly to say that JLin is inexperienced, and thus cannot run the offense, and accordingy that is a good justification for letting him go. Tyson is saying Jlin wasn't experienced and thus couldn't run the offense like veteran guys.
JLin ran the offense fine. He did well even with Melo and Amare under Woodson. The Knicks were winning even post MDA era.
And how hard is running the offense in the knicks? If getting the ball to the two stars in the right spot is the issue, how difficult is that to learn?
It's inaccurate to say that JLin couldn't run the offense under Woodson. That is far from true as the Knicks were consistently winning under Woodson. Some of the winning must have at least be due to a PG who can run the offense reasonably well.
It's also wrong to say that the reason that JLin allegedly couldn't run the offense was due to his inexperience. He ran the offense well, and yes JLin was inexperienced for some plays, but those are quickly addressable and thus should not be held so heavily against him for denying him a job. Overall, it's ridiculous to say that JLin doesn't have enough experience to run an offense, especially such a simple one (for the PG).
More likely for letting Lin go is that they felt it wasn't worth the money to pay another star which they didn't want to use. They didn't want to use him because it would mean less production from the other two stars. Less production from those two would seem like they overpaid for them. And overpaying for something is never good for reputation in business. People get taunted for overpaying.
Funny of Mr. fake Defensive player of the year to seem so highly of himself to speak down about others. I've watched Tyson since his "baby bull" days with Eddy Curry. You know what has changed about his game since then? Absolutely nothing. He swings wildly at shots (his defensive talents), has absolutely zero offensive game and runs up and down the court hoping for tipins or oops. That is all. Thank the lord he is a 7-1 guy in an era of 6-9 power forward centers.
from Jason Friedman (Rockets.com reporter): "Some stats from yesterday's scrimmage: Forbes 5-6 from 3pt, 24pts; Martin 7-11 fg 10-12 ft. 25pts; Machado 10 ast; Asik 10 def rebounds"
no info on Lin yet (this worries me a little bit, the articles I could find about yesterday's open scrimmage didn't mention much about Lin. Was his performance not impressive enough? Is he still not in good shape?)
dude! you need to relax. The rockets have guaranteed him at least 25 million dollars! okay! I don't care what his stats are in the preseason. I would rather he work on his weakness and look like crap. If he only dribbled with his left hand for the next three weeks, I would be fine by me
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What do you expect Tyler to say? Oh, Jeremy was great and Carmelo really sucked? Tyler is still playing on the Knicks team. I think Tyler is playing the political game. When someone has left, they are fair game. either that, Tyler didn't really like Jeremy at all. I think it's more politics than anything else as Jeremy got Tyler plenty of shots.
No one ever said athletes were the best speakers out there. Not hating on Tyson, but he came in directly from high school too. Yao / Jeremy were some of the exceptions.
I was just about to really like Tyson...looks like he isn't a genuine friend of Jeremy...whatever he says after this sell out, no longer bears any truth and integrity.
There isn't any need for Tyson to throw Jeremy under the bus. He can say all he wants to sing praises of jason kidd, felton, melo or whoever but he just didn't have to do that to Jeremy.
Tyson looks to be a company man. He did damage-control for Melo repeatedly, defending him when he was tanking on D'Antoni, supporting Melo lying about wanting JLin back [days before Melo himself rips Linsanity for his "selfish" reputation.]
Or maybe he's just a crap judge of people's character. :)
The Nyk just went through a media day where they had to face a barrage of questions on JLin. Clearly, NY is not over him.
Unlike before, the Nyk players held court at a large podium, rather than letting the players speak freely at their own individual tables. Most answers were of the stock variety too.
The Nyk have been getting negative press for their aging players. Now they spin this as a positive by contrasting their vets [good] to JLin, inexperienced [bad.]
Woodson and Tyson's comments were meant to play-up their PGs [by putting JLin down, can't run Nyk's O etc] and stamp out people's remaining disatisfaction over JLin leaving.
will be very interesting when Lin and the Rockets play at MSG. it's going to brutal and i hope Lin's new teammates have his back or it's going to be Lin vs Tylor/isoMelo/FakeHustle/JR/FatFelton. and our New Age rookies vs. their Coming Of Age bench.
" I couldn’t get much more out of the team than “we did not have the same level of commitment as the Rockets” in regards to Jeremy Lin. It’s vague and it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, since the Knicks were willing to commit for four seasons at more total money. Just admit you didn’t want to spend the cash in year three. Admit you were annoyed that the Rockets switched their offer sheet. As usual, the Garden spins nonsense and there’s nothing anyone can do about it."
"The Knicks were quick to go to the “Don’t worry Jeremy Lin is gone, (because) Ray Felton is here and he isn’t out of shape!” Felton succeeded in Mike D’Antoni’s offense, but can he do the same in Woodson’s?"
JLin said he learned a lot in NY. And he'll keep learning. :) If he gave Novak the pass last time [for explaining away Melo's bashing,] he'll definitely keep this Tyson thing a lesson/ motivation as he looks to Rox vs Nyk. [It's nothing less than his abilities being called into question.]
Mike Woodson has seemingly simple expectations for his point guards on offense.
A point guard for Woodson is supposed to get the ball to the scorers. When the point guard gets the ball back, he then can score if the opportunity is there.
That would work in the 80 s era of illegal defense, but it doesn't always work today because defenses can load up on great scorers off the ball. In today's NBA, there are often situations where the best option is for the point guard to create and attack.
I'm not a mind reader and can misread things. But it seems to me that Woodson was often unhappy with Jeremy Lin because Lin would see rhe openings and ATTACK. I felt that Woodson bit his lip anf grudgingly accepted Lin's scoring outbursts because they helped the team win, but Woodson would have preferred Lin to be less daring in his attack.
The problem now for NY is that Kidd attacks but can no longer produce while Felton cannot attack or produce. The lack of PG scoring on the Knicks means that NY's offense may get choked up the way it was last season before Lin saved the season. Plus, NY has even less firepower at SG than it did last season and that makes it even easier to overload Anthony and Stoudemire.
Even though Woodson disliked Lin, the hard truth is that Lin was the IDEAL PG for Woodson's very limited definition of what a PG is. Woodson will find that out soon enough.
Tyson is correct that Jeremy was having problem with making Melo productive. However, most people will attribute the problem to Melo and not Jeremy. Knicks has decided to stick with Melo, so Knicks has to sign someone like Nash who has the reputation and smarts to manage all the head cases on the Knicks team. Now they have Felton and Kidd, so we will see the a very dysfunctional team once Felton and Kidd start having problems.
I am very happy for Jeremy that he is no longer with the Knicks. I think Jeremy should be happier now too knowing all the undercurrents that have came to light.
Imo, the NYK geriatric show is going to be in for a rude awakening. Who is going to stop JLin at the 1? Hair pulling drunk JKidd? Fatty Felton? Maybe they could throw that rookie 35 yr old at him. Just look at what JLin did against the top guards from last season. JKidd is in for some deja vu.
what chandler said was true about inexperience and couldn't run the offense. It's because that offense by Woodson really didn't fit Lin that well. For Lin to go from D'antonni to woodson in a matter of days would've required somebody with more experience. It doesn't necessarily mean Lin can't do it. Timing was off. System was off. Management was off. Personnel was off. They really need a slow down pg who sets the offense for Melo and Amare. Not necessarily for Chandler. Ironically Chandler will be the one that will suffer in the coming offense. However, they only want him to play defense. haha.
Agreed with someone who said that Tyson wasn't completely wrong. Compared to players like Nash and Kidd, of course Lin's inexperienced. I think individually as a player Lin isn't lesser to them but in terms of completely controlling the team's offense, directing in traffic, can't really say Lin's better.
Like Jeremy mention in his interview. To his face they wont say anything negative but behind his back they gossip like female puppies...at NBA level, if you can't score because you don't have the ball at your sweet spot which for Tyson is one feet away from the rim, then you ain't playing at NBA level. Tyson could responded by giving Jeremy his credit for saving the season and then say he's excited about the veterans they have now. But he wanted to elaborate and join in on the criticism and be no different than a jealous hater like Melo, JR, Felton, machado, SAS, mayweather, the Co host Guy from Max out in the morning, woodson, dolan, CP3, etc.
"My thoughts for the workout. Lin was quick. Didnt seem like that he had any injuries. And he still has it. he split the defenders. He's got calls. With that said, I think he needs to protect his body when going to the basket. He was falling hard. I mean..not too hard but yeah..He had some steals, some assists and he hit some jumpers/3's. He was strong going to the basket and running the fast break. The rockets are going to be fast paced. But they're too young I think.
Everyone was given like a little postcard and they kept on announcing that the players will only give autograph on that but when I got to Lin, I showed him a poster that I made. He smiled and shook my hands and autographed the board. So that was nice of him. I also brought a basketball. Just about every Houston Rockets signed the basketball. Lin was specifically instructed not to sign and he was taken to the bus with security whereas other players walked up and talked to the fans and signed tshirts and what not."
Another thing. For the people who said Jeremy couldn't switch from dantoni to woodson system. You are wrong cus guess what? He did and they were wining!!! Not by a couple points but double digits I remember one of the Pacers game Jeremy had them up by 30 at one point. You guys claim to be JLin fans but as soon as someone downplays his game, you back down,.you try to play the nice Guy role.. F that. This is someone special, history in the making and Im lucky to be witnessing this during my time. The first asian american nba player and hes good!! REAL GOOD!! I will be damned if I'm going to let anybody white, black, yellow, or brown stop him from reaching his potential with excuses because he's ASIAN!! AND they can't handle that. That's what it really comes down to STEPHEN A SMITH. And im not talking basketball im talking about RACE. They think if an Asian American can succeed in the NBA then more will follow and there will be lesser money to go around and that is why they feel threatened. So everybody needs to grow a backbone cus Jeremy needs your support more than ever. I've been watching NBA since I was a kid and hoping, wishing we would have an Asian American player so I can have someone I can relate to and be proud of. Now we do people. Go out there and support him. I'm talking Jerseys, shoes, shirts, undies the whole nine.
Almost everybody here knows how amazingly well Lin played for Mike Woodson. After all, it's the players that make the system and not the system that makes players.
No matter what the Knicks say, I guarantee that Lin is foremost on the mind of his former players. What Lin did was so utterly shocking that those Knick players are like "Was that for real? NAHHHHH". But it WAS, otherwise they wouldn't be trying to rationalize it among themselves!
There is an alternative way of looking at how the haters bash Lin. Lin shattered everybody's negative perceptions save OURS because we saw a great basketball player, not an Asian no baller. People are trying to fit Lin back into their comfortable little world paradigms, but it doesn't work because Lin is that good. Were Lin not that good, nobody would say anything the way they have ignored Yi Jianlian and the first true NBA player of Asian descent, Wang Zhi Zhi.
Lin gets the negative hype. Whether people like to admit it or not, that's SUPERSTAR TERRITORY!!!
I did just that. I bought his jerseys, and I'm going to his games against NYK on 12/17/12, and philly on 1/12/13 (I've never done such things in my life before).
Technically no, unless you count Hamed Haddadi (Iranian) as being Asian. In fact Turkey, and much of the former Soviet countries are considered "Asia".... But the people look fully Caucasian.
I've finally taken time to watch some of the youtube videos. Here are my amateur observations:
- There is no true backup PG for the Houston Rockets. They have guys that can handle but can't make plays. The Rockets are better off with both Jeremy Lamb and Kevin Martin bringing the ball upcourt, which works in a Kevin McHale system because the point guard often simply makes the first pass and then it's anyone's ball
- There is no low post threat. No big man on the team has any feel for low post play. Not even Kevin McHale can teach guys that just don't have it in them to play that way.
- Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb are excellent players. Along with Jeremy Lin, they form an formidable backcourt. They'll need to be good for the Rockets to win.
- Chandler Parsons is a good finisher but isn't much of a creator. Were he able to put the ball on the floor and make plays, he'd have been drafted much higher.
- Kevin McHale is trying to teach his team to THINK. However, I'm a little concerned about that because most of the team is made of role players that would be better off sticking to designated roles. Yet I like what McHale is doing and think he's doing a terrific job.
- Once games start, opposing big men are going to jam the Rockets perimeter players on the perimeter. The Jeremy Jeremy Martin backcourt can split those traps, but no one else on the team has the physicality to do it. It would be a different story if the Rockets big men were able to score.
- Jeremy Lin is BETTER than he was last season. McHale's teams are always extremely well paced without being overmanaged. He's got his health back and he's totally in shape. Lin's camp body language looks to me as if he is trying to let his teammates feel their way around. But when the games start, Lin will unleash his TRUE self. I wouldn't be surprised if Lin is solid, relatively unspectacular, and getting WINS.
I haven't really seen too much of Omer Asik play an offensive role. As of right now I will side by your opinion about no Rockets big man having any feel for offensive play. But, let's wait and see what he does in regular season. I think the solution to this is Jeremy Lin breaking down the perimeter defense and attracting double teams from perimeter and low post defenders, to where he can dish it out to Omer Asik like he was doing in NYK with Tyson Chandler.
I also agree that the 2 Jeremy and Martin have to play their best to win games. I'm not sure how tall Jeremy Lamb is but they could go small and have all 3 players in at the same time during appropriate circumstances with Lin being the play-makers and having 2 deadly scorers on both wings.
I gotta watch their preseason & regular games and see how things go. It's a lot different when playing during training camp, preseason games, and regular season games. So I think it's hard to assess right now which is the right fit. But I'm sure Jeremy Lin will make things work.
For Omer Asik to be able to play the Tyson Chandler role, the Rockets forwards need to be scoring threats too. The Rockets power forwards will get cheated on defensively, but the small forwards Parsons and Delfino cannot be cheated on. In NY, Chandler either had Novak or Stoudemire at PF with Jeffries scoring too when Lin was feeding him.
It's 100% possible that the Rockets forwards learn to score in the gaps created by Lin and to a far lesser extent Martin. The Rockets have several young power forwards who can score, albeit not against committed NBA defenses. Plus, they all are athletic and can get up over the rim. That alone makes them threats to score that teams have to at least token guard.
If the Rockets had a healthy Omar Samhan, he'd singlehandedly solve the inside scoring problem. Next season, the Rockets need to take a long hard look at Samhan in training camp. At worst, he'd be a solid scoring backup center in the NBA. And if Samhan could shed a bit of weight, he actually has the footspeed and reflexes to be a very mobile and tough power forward. Think DeMarcus Cousins with a better attitude and far greater actual basketball skill!
Reason I want R. White on the Court with Lin so much (besides his versatility, physicality and passing) is because White is Lin's best chance for a real physical enforcer. White already showed in Summer League he will be that guy. And I don't mean this negatively, but after the first time White comes to a teammate's defense and gets some T's, his "headcase" label will be in the back of the other team's minds so they will think twice about hitting Lin with cheap shots since who knows how a physically strong crazy guy might retaliate. Nobody wants to mess with a "crazy" guy. Sorry R. White, I know you aint crazy but just keep up that persona to scare guys on the other teams and get some overt physicality on this team.
White, Asik, Lin, Delfino, and Dmo (cocky Euro attitude rather than overt physical strength)/Jones/PPat would be my favorite squad for that physical gritty blue collar lunch pail type of team that Lin wants. However, that squad might be a little slow, although a beast of a team physically speaking. Cool thing is they could play like that and be like Memphis (when Gay aint playing) or use a complete set of different guys like Kmart, Lamb, Parsons, Jones/Dmo, TD, Machado, Lin for a different type of uptempo, spread the floor, efficient shooting, less physical style.
good thinking, swingline! LOL That would be a great plan to deploy Royce's "crazy guy" intimidation factor to mess with the other team's mind. Judging from his tweets to promote the cause for anxiety disorder, he'll probably be far too intelligent to intimidate with brute force and shove the other guys because it will hurt his cause. But we can only hope that he will use some 'crazy eyes' to intimidate his opponents :D
I'm not sure how ready he is to play NBA style but there is no doubt he has tremendous potential with his size (6'8" 270 lbs), and strength (bench-press 185 pounds 30 times in pre-combine workouts), widest hands (11.5") in 2012 NBA draft and rebounding skills.
He also seemed to play intelligently and has excellent court vision in an excellent article/video Film-Session Royce White
It's encouraging to hear his comments that he and his Houston Rockets teammates had each others' back during the most recent absence from the training camp.
Rockets could have a mini LeBron or Dennis Rodman here. Only time will tell.
18 If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you.
19 If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember my word that I said to you: The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they have kept my word, they will keep yours also.
I prepared a longer speech but the page went off :D
it was just to say that haters can't get why jeremy acts like this cause they only know bout money fame sex and stuffs like that. So they send hate to jeremy...
Talking bout basketball i've seen royce white's footage on clutchfans... He looks thinner he shaved hair and beard and looks ready and focus... Let's hope his fear gonna end sooner rather than later
Now, who care about Tyson? Season will begin, time to concentrate fully it!He also has an empty complain, is not a recent emotional and out of control?Moreover, Jeremy Lin was not any to provoke him, Tyson is to grab news!
ReplyDeleteSounds like Tyson Chandler's comments against Jeremy Lin were carefully scripted as a PR move for the Knicks. I don't think it will work at all to change the public's perception of you guys. Lin and his agents simply won the free agency game: They were on to the Knicks, and were inspired to view the set up from the mountain on high, like a soaring eagle; what they saw was maize-like roads with traps set up in various places, which enabled them to navigate them brilliantly and safely!
DeleteAnd, they must have thought that garbage spewing out from Tyson Chandler's mouth will lend more credibility - I think everybody knows that he's not Mother Theresa? Also, Felton must have needed a confidence booster. LOL.
@ ztrta
DeleteHe's DPY. People often mistake ability with integrity. They tend to believe people they look up to [see how many celebrity get to spout off on stuff they know crap about, and they are believed.]
People take it he's spouting off about stuff he'd know better than the average Joe about.
DeleteI used to like Chandler because he was a moderate veteran "big" on the Knicks when Lin was there, if you know what I mean. Now, he'll just get his karma like the rest, I feel.
DeleteOh well, it'll be fun watching the Rockets this year. And I'll also enjoy watching my other favorite team, the Celtics - as well all others teams in the Atlantic Division, all with *fantastic* offseason - btsoo the Knicks.
via wong,
DeleteBTW, I like the google translation (I think) of the lead poster from China (I think). I think it's fun to read, and I understand him or her perfectly! (;~)
@ ztrta
DeleteAnd people who read Chinese well [not me,] can simply reverse translate on there [so we can have an inclusive convo.] :)
Wow! Very cool. (;~)
DeleteReverse google translate...cool idea. The meaning of the post comes out clearer.
DeleteI don't think JLin provoked Tyson. Nor was Tyson emotionally unstable. It's more of the opposite. Its a planned and calculated stance for letting JLin go which the organization probably briefed some of the players on.
Read it again.... The OP clearly stated that Lin did *NOT* provoke Tyson to say such a thing, and goes on to say "Tyson is to grab news!"
DeleteOh yeah, I said "I don't think JLin provoked Tyson" in agreement. And "Nor was Tyson emotionally unstable" also in agreement, since OP was probably asking a rhetoric.
DeleteWith regard to grabbing news... I don't know, Tyson never seemed like those attention grabbing type of guys.
wilc,
DeleteOh okay.... I see.
Correct. Tyson is usually not that type - which is why everyone thinks Tyson is used by the Knicks as a PR mouthpiece. To my mind, I feel that's what the OP was saying in so many words (or the translation machine did). The spin did make the news, didn't it?
Tyson sold out and did his employer the favor, and agreed to say them "just so". It made Tyson less likable to many, so maybe Dolan will give him a really nice and expensive birthday or Christmas present.
Tyson probably didn't say it to make news for himself though, which I think is what the OP was suggesting.
DeleteAlthough the Knicks may be using Tyson as a PR mouthpiece, Tyson's comments throughout was quite consistent that he felt JLin was inexperienced, which is true to a certain degree. Its just baffling that inexperience (in running a simple dump the ball into the post offence) seems to be Tyson's/Knicks PR underlying reason behind not matching.
Since there was never a good reason for not matching (who really understands Dolan) the experience thing is the next best reason :)
DeleteYeah, its probably the best way to put it. As someone mentioned in one of the threads mentioned, Tyson was probably trying to be diplomatic by using a seemingly objective fact like inexperience.
DeleteWhen I think whether there was nothing wrong with Tyson saying JLin is inexperienced, I ask why he said that. He said it to support the opinion that JLin can't run the Knicks O. Within that context, saying JLin is inexperienced is simply O_o
The Knicks #1 reason for such a PR statement is to put Carmelo in a very good light, as they begin the new season. The reason being, the root cause of not everyone "buying in" to the team's strategy when MD was there (once Carmelo came back fro injury), was Carmelo's jealousy and resentment towards Jeremy Lin (and that was big, because Carmelo is the $20 million/year *captain* of the team.
DeleteSpinning things to put Carmelo in the most positive light to the public has been and continues to be a mission of:
- Dolan (I made the right decision in acquiring Carmelo and in such a manner).
- Creative Artists Agency (We want Carmelo to have a legacy signature shoes a la Michael Jordan).
- Carmelo (Thanks for joining forces with my agent in doing PR on my behalf. I need to be loved more by the fans; I have thinner skin than you think; I want the Garden to be my house; as I shouted "This is MY HOUSE!" when I had that huge game after Lin and D'Antoni wasn't there. And yes, the shoes)
- Woodson (Put the positive spin on Carmelo and myself at Lin's expense. Everybody knows how fond I am of the veteran players in the league, as well as Carmelo. Thus, Lin had to go, once Felton came in, because the fans would NOT understand why I chose Felton to start over Lin. The big-three's clock is ticking. All these aging vets have two good years left and it will prove that I WAS RIGHT. The fans and the media wouldn't bother to look at the fact that Amare is now trained to play at the post, or that every team now had time to practice, or that our roster is 50% different and that our bench is much upgraded, or that everyone is now buying in. All they will NOTICE is that we are and were a significantly better team *WITHOUT* Jeremy Lin no longer on our team!
- Tyson Chandler (Now that the season will begin, it's important to me that Carmelo, JR, and Woodson know that, without a shred of doubt, the team has my back).
;0 what?really? tyson chandler,lets see.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/dolan-pretending-linsanity-happend-article-1.1172466?comment=true
ReplyDeletenew york media is crazy thats it.about the players there hmmp,basketball not talkshow.
More fuel for the Linferno.
ReplyDeleteHope some of the posters who were lol at the rest of us who believed Tyson to have lost his way can now face up and admit he's a total sell out and has lost respect from many fans. Can't wait for the 1st game between the 2 teams. What a dramatic season this is going to be. Very epic. A rivalry has been born.
ReplyDeleteYour hope that people will "face up" is 100% guaranteed to go unanswered.
DeleteDreams don't always come true, and that's a GOOD THING.
I agree that "some" people will never "face up." They'll "continue" to live in "fantasy."
DeleteThe Celtics even got Kevin Garnett to trash talk about Ray Allen leaving. There is no loyalty in pro sports.
ReplyDeleteYes there is. Have you heard Jeremy bashing Tyson, or any of his Knick teammates?
DeleteRay Ray and the celtcs had a really tight unit until what was thought to be the end of their hoop careers. Ray joining their ultimate rivals deserved the backlash. JLin was no benedict arnold and just really looking for any job opportunity so not sure why the cheapshot here.
DeleteJeremy has never badges the Knicks or ANYBODY because of his values as a Christian. It has nothing to do with loyalty, he is genuinely an honest, forgiving person who holds no grudges.
DeleteI hope JLin's not going to be overly modest/ gracious this time when he's asked to comment about this garbage. It's garbage. Do not seem like he's corroborating their claims by even agreeing he's inexperienced [since people will only associate his nod with "can't run the offense" etc]
Delete"I'm not thinking about that." would be the right reply, smile, change the subject. Stay above the fray.
Rayray was the one who didn't show loyalty. He refused double money from celtics to join the arch rival miami... Totally different from jlin.
Delete@via wong,
DeleteIt wouldn't rattle Jeremy at all.
It's also better for Lin to not react to it much, if any, because I'm beginning to think that the Knicks want a reaction our of him...... Hahaha, I don't think it'll work. Why? Because:
Lin is smart.
Lin's parents are smart.
Lin's agents are smart.
That's why.
Totally agree with you zrta
DeleteLin is going to outsmart them and act like he's got a Spotless mind. (;~D)
Delete:D that's great :D
DeleteCome on guys - you know how much of a Lin fan I am but whats wrong with saying Lin was inexperienced? In fact - judging by the minutes and number of games he got to play before Linsanity -> he had to be inexperienced. Where would the experience come from?
ReplyDeleteNow here is what Im thinking...
Lin is a great athlete and bball player - hes got swagger and hes a smart work horse. He already proved that. Inexperience can be fixed - easily. If Lin was inexperienced last year how is he gonna play once he is experienced?
I take it as if Tyson just said -> JLin is young, the new guys are old. Amare and Melo believe things are gonna work out better for them now. I dont blame Chandler. As a team player the team opinion is your opinion. As long as he doesnt claim that JLin is a bad bball player Im good. Like I said - inexperience can be easily fixed :)
Keep in mind Amare and Melo need to blame their lag of production on someone. Believe it or not but there are people who still think these two havent deserved their contracts yet. Besides - they need to push Felton and Kid so these two dont feel like plan b and c (what they actually are - at least for all JLin supporters in NY).
I dont take that "persona non grata" thing serious - I believe thats a creation of "Gotham City Media". I bet if JLin were to come to MSG people would still go nuts JEREMY JEREMY JEREMY and Dolan would not dare look JLin in the eye.
But true - Dolan doesnt want to talk about JLin anymore. Why would he. JLin is no longer on the team. Dolan got burned when he said what he said about JLin and people bashed him for it (on tv, in articles, on youtube, street interviews, parody songs). Basicly he was being portrayed as a rich greedy lying incapable owner whos only interested in power play.
Woodson is concentrating on his training camp and he doesnt want to deal with all the JLin regarding questions that the media ask (cause people in NY still care for JLin). I dont blame him. Of course JLin has to learn a lot. Hes 24 for god sake... he will learn and hes gonna kick more ass the more he learns.
Agree 100%. Exactly what I posted in the other thread.
Delete> Nothing wrong with saying he is inexperienced
DeleteSorry, but I have to disagree.
When Lin penetrated, and made great passes to Tyson for him to score easily, he never complained about his being inexperienced, or not able to get people the ball in the right spots.
Where were all Lin's contributions of saving the dying NKY back then? It seems everyone in NYK just suddenly suffers memory loss.
I understand Tyson is still in NYK, and he has to look out for himself, but he should not do it at Lin's expense.
No matter whether the words came from the script written by the management, or really from Tyson himself, it's just a typical dirty back-stabbing act done by NYK (similar to what melo/jr did).
I thought Tyson was the only decent guy left in that organization. I guess I was wrong.
Actually, what I was trying to say is:
Delete* though Lin only started 25 games back then, his performance during those games was at the level of experienced players (I remember D'Antoni said similar comments in a post game interview).
* the main point I wanted to say was "Tyson never complained about his being inexperienced when Lin was making lots of passes to him for easy scoring", and now suddenly after half a year he is complaining about it, so I am not able to make myself agree that there is nothing wrong for him to say so. Hope I explain myself well :-)
No one in NY [except the fans] is fooled by the Nyk FO, trying once again to justify their crap decisions by slandering JLin.
DeleteHowad Beck [who's now on the Nets, but can't help chiming in LOL] makes an observation:
Howard Beck @HowardBeckNYT
Tyson Chandler's probably right that Knicks needed an experienced PG. But it wasn't an either-or decision. They still could have kept Lin.
12:33 PM - 6 Oct 12
[Beck is now being accused of being biased to JLin as he argue with people over the lux tax - another Nyk lie: They could have used the Stretch provision,to "stretch" the amount across several years.]
Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA
still reading that matching hou on lin would have subject knicks to repeater tax penalties in year 3. not true, as I read cba.
6:22 AM - 1 Oct 12
@ Will
Delete"I dont take that "persona non grata" thing serious - I believe thats a creation of "Gotham City Media". I bet if JLin were to come to MSG people would still go nuts JEREMY JEREMY JEREMY and Dolan would not dare look JLin in the eye."
- :) NY is far from over JLin. Can't wait for the season to start and Felton & Co to f up. Lacob getting booed is nothing compared to what Dolan will get.
@HY:
DeleteJeremy did make his contributions and he was awesome (especially in the Dantoni System) but there is nothing about Tysons statement that negated that. He didnt say JLins bad. He sad JLin was inexperienced as PG. Again - judging by minutes and numbers of games Lin played thats an OK statement.
As JLin fans we must take criticism as they are - not as what we think they are. Cant hate on every single player who says something about JLin.
Watch JLins interviews from Linsanity. JLin himself said he hasnt seen different coverages before and that he had to learn from game to game - fearn routines on the fly.
I must admit with the Beck statement though. This argument of Lin being inexperienced would not have been valid anymore had Lin started for Knicks this season. Why? Cause it would have been the second season with the Knicks and this season they would have had a regular training camp... (unlike last year where Lin was thrown into the game - mostly just practicing with bench players).
I think I still didn't make myself clear.
DeleteI'm ok with criticism if that's fair, correct, or consistent.
If he did explicitly complain about it back then, and now he is still saying the same thing, that's consistent, then I have no issue with that.
Otherwise, he is saying these to cover for the organization's lies and propaganda, then I don't think that's a decent thing to do (I understand he is still in that organization, and has to look out for himself, but there are millions of OTHER ways to lift up the morale of his team. That organization repeatedly says they don't want to talk about Lin, but when it comes to cases like this, they use the technique of criticizing Lin to promote themselves, is that a right thing to do?)
@HY
DeleteMaybe youre right. Maybe they shoudlnt say anything at all. But - we have to asume that the media keeps asking JLin related questions. After all - there are still JLin fans in NY - also in the media.
Lins gone and Felton and Kid are there. That needs explaination - so theres no way around putting them (Felton, Kid, Lin) in comparism. The only thing Felton and Kid can claim is experience. Its not flattering to say Lin is/was inexperienced but I dont think of it as negative either. Its just stating the obvious - a diplomatic way to basicly say nothing at all. Would you prefer it if Tyson said JLin was an old hand?
JLin himself said during Linsanity that he continuously had to learn on the fly. Why? He said there were coverages he hasnt seen before, said he never had a chance to practice with the stars - bench only, compressed schedule, no time etc.
JLin didnt just have good times in NY. He also had tough times and eventhough I cant remember people saying he was inexperienced back then - I remember people (incl. JLin himself) saying that he was young, had to learn a lot et cetera and thats ok.
I like to think of JLin as inexperienced. Talking of someone as experienced basicly means -> thats all you get. Talking of someone as inexperienced means -> there a lot more to come. Think of a JLin 2.0 - how awesome will that be?
I forgot - Tyson also talked about JLin not being able to get the guys the ball where they want it. If you read between the lines you know he is talking about Melo and Amare and people really do wonder if theres anyone who can get them the ball where they want it :)
DeleteBasicly the whole discussion revolves about the stars who didnt perform well (some say not worth the money) and the "rookie" who exceeded all expectations (JLin). I read an article citing Tysons words but also citing Melos words. Melo claimed he doesnt want to be the guy anymore who scores 30 to 40 a game. Just when he realized he was useless unless he scored he backed down - saying that he would still score...!?!?!?!
In my eyes - Knicks are just dealing with their own troubles and Im glad JLin is with the Rockets.
Its nothing wrong to say a person is inexperienced, but its silly to say that JLin is inexperienced, and thus cannot run the offense, and accordingy that is a good justification for letting him go. Tyson is saying Jlin wasn't experienced and thus couldn't run the offense like veteran guys.
DeleteJLin ran the offense fine. He did well even with Melo and Amare under Woodson. The Knicks were winning even post MDA era.
And how hard is running the offense in the knicks? If getting the ball to the two stars in the right spot is the issue, how difficult is that to learn?
It's inaccurate to say that JLin couldn't run the offense under Woodson. That is far from true as the Knicks were consistently winning under Woodson. Some of the winning must have at least be due to a PG who can run the offense reasonably well.
It's also wrong to say that the reason that JLin allegedly couldn't run the offense was due to his inexperience. He ran the offense well, and yes JLin was inexperienced for some plays, but those are quickly addressable and thus should not be held so heavily against him for denying him a job. Overall, it's ridiculous to say that JLin doesn't have enough experience to run an offense, especially such a simple one (for the PG).
More likely for letting Lin go is that they felt it wasn't worth the money to pay another star which they didn't want to use. They didn't want to use him because it would mean less production from the other two stars. Less production from those two would seem like they overpaid for them. And overpaying for something is never good for reputation in business. People get taunted for overpaying.
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ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipuXJ2fvu0&feature=plcp
Funny of Mr. fake Defensive player of the year to seem so highly of himself to speak down about others. I've watched Tyson since his "baby bull" days with Eddy Curry. You know what has changed about his game since then? Absolutely nothing. He swings wildly at shots (his defensive talents), has absolutely zero offensive game and runs up and down the court hoping for tipins or oops. That is all. Thank the lord he is a 7-1 guy in an era of 6-9 power forward centers.
ReplyDeletefrom Jason Friedman (Rockets.com reporter):
ReplyDelete"Some stats from yesterday's scrimmage: Forbes 5-6 from 3pt, 24pts; Martin 7-11 fg 10-12 ft. 25pts; Machado 10 ast; Asik 10 def rebounds"
no info on Lin yet (this worries me a little bit, the articles I could find about yesterday's open scrimmage didn't mention much about Lin. Was his performance not impressive enough? Is he still not in good shape?)
dude! you need to relax. The rockets have guaranteed him at least 25 million dollars! okay! I don't care what his stats are in the preseason. I would rather he work on his weakness and look like crap. If he only dribbled with his left hand for the next three weeks, I would be fine by me
Deleteyeah, I know. I often worry too much. I will try to relax.
DeleteThanks :-)
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[JLin and the Volvo XC60]
Preseason games will help establish rotation, minutes for Rockets
ReplyDeleteJLin & CP25 Autograph signing FB
ReplyDeleteConfidence In Bloom
ReplyDeleteBolstered by big year, Jeremy Lin comes to camp brimming with newfound self-assurance
What do you expect Tyler to say? Oh, Jeremy was great and Carmelo really sucked? Tyler is still playing on the Knicks team. I think Tyler is playing the political game. When someone has left, they are fair game. either that, Tyler didn't really like Jeremy at all. I think it's more politics than anything else as Jeremy got Tyler plenty of shots.
ReplyDeleteif Tylor was truthful, he'd say Jeremy was great and Carmelo really did sucked. but oh no, Tylor had make up bullchit.
DeleteNo one ever said athletes were the best speakers out there. Not hating on Tyson, but he came in directly from high school too. Yao / Jeremy were some of the exceptions.
DeleteI was just about to really like Tyson...looks like he isn't a genuine friend of Jeremy...whatever he says after this sell out, no longer bears any truth and integrity.
DeleteThere isn't any need for Tyson to throw Jeremy under the bus. He can say all he wants to sing praises of jason kidd, felton, melo or whoever but he just didn't have to do that to Jeremy.
Tyson looks to be a company man. He did damage-control for Melo repeatedly, defending him when he was tanking on D'Antoni, supporting Melo lying about wanting JLin back [days before Melo himself rips Linsanity for his "selfish" reputation.]
DeleteOr maybe he's just a crap judge of people's character. :)
The Nyk just went through a media day where they had to face a barrage of questions on JLin. Clearly, NY is not over him.
ReplyDeleteUnlike before, the Nyk players held court at a large podium, rather than letting the players speak freely at their own individual tables. Most answers were of the stock variety too.
The Nyk have been getting negative press for their aging players. Now they spin this as a positive by contrasting their vets [good] to JLin, inexperienced [bad.]
Woodson and Tyson's comments were meant to play-up their PGs [by putting JLin down, can't run Nyk's O etc] and stamp out people's remaining disatisfaction over JLin leaving.
Again, typical Nyk dirty manuevering.
will be very interesting when Lin and the Rockets play at MSG. it's going to brutal and i hope Lin's new teammates have his back or it's going to be Lin vs Tylor/isoMelo/FakeHustle/JR/FatFelton. and our New Age rookies vs. their Coming Of Age bench.
Deletehttp://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/10/02/schmeelk-notes-and-takeaways-from-knicks-media-day/
Delete" I couldn’t get much more out of the team than “we did not have the same level of commitment as the Rockets” in regards to Jeremy Lin. It’s vague and it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, since the Knicks were willing to commit for four seasons at more total money. Just admit you didn’t want to spend the cash in year three. Admit you were annoyed that the Rockets switched their offer sheet. As usual, the Garden spins nonsense and there’s nothing anyone can do about it."
"The Knicks were quick to go to the “Don’t worry Jeremy Lin is gone, (because) Ray Felton is here and he isn’t out of shape!” Felton succeeded in Mike D’Antoni’s offense, but can he do the same in Woodson’s?"
JLin said he learned a lot in NY. And he'll keep learning. :)
DeleteIf he gave Novak the pass last time [for explaining away Melo's bashing,] he'll definitely keep this Tyson thing a lesson/ motivation as he looks to Rox vs Nyk. [It's nothing less than his abilities being called into question.]
correction:
Delete...gave Novak a pass
...take this Tyson thing as a lesson/ motivation, as he looks
Mike Woodson has seemingly simple expectations for his point guards on offense.
DeleteA point guard for Woodson is supposed to get the ball to the scorers. When the point guard gets the ball back, he then can score if the opportunity is there.
That would work in the 80 s era of illegal defense, but it doesn't always work today because defenses can load up on great scorers off the ball. In today's NBA, there are often situations where the best option is for the point guard to create and attack.
I'm not a mind reader and can misread things. But it seems to me that Woodson was often unhappy with Jeremy Lin because Lin would see rhe openings and ATTACK. I felt that Woodson bit his lip anf grudgingly accepted Lin's scoring outbursts because they helped the team win, but Woodson would have preferred Lin to be less daring in his attack.
The problem now for NY is that Kidd attacks but can no longer produce while Felton cannot attack or produce. The lack of PG scoring on the Knicks means that NY's offense may get choked up the way it was last season before Lin saved the season. Plus, NY has even less firepower at SG than it did last season and that makes it even easier to overload Anthony and Stoudemire.
Even though Woodson disliked Lin, the hard truth is that Lin was the IDEAL PG for Woodson's very limited definition of what a PG is. Woodson will find that out soon enough.
Tyson is correct that Jeremy was having problem with making Melo productive. However, most people will attribute the problem to Melo and not Jeremy. Knicks has decided to stick with Melo, so Knicks has to sign someone like Nash who has the reputation and smarts to manage all the head cases on the Knicks team. Now they have Felton and Kidd, so we will see the a very dysfunctional team once Felton and Kidd start having problems.
DeleteI am very happy for Jeremy that he is no longer with the Knicks. I think Jeremy should be happier now too knowing all the undercurrents that have came to light.
Go Jeremy!
Imo, the NYK geriatric show is going to be in for a rude awakening. Who is going to stop JLin at the 1? Hair pulling drunk JKidd? Fatty Felton? Maybe they could throw that rookie 35 yr old at him. Just look at what JLin did against the top guards from last season. JKidd is in for some deja vu.
ReplyDeletewhat chandler said was true about inexperience and couldn't run the offense. It's because that offense by Woodson really didn't fit Lin that well. For Lin to go from D'antonni to woodson in a matter of days would've required somebody with more experience. It doesn't necessarily mean Lin can't do it. Timing was off. System was off. Management was off. Personnel was off. They really need a slow down pg who sets the offense for Melo and Amare. Not necessarily for Chandler. Ironically Chandler will be the one that will suffer in the coming offense. However, they only want him to play defense. haha.
ReplyDeletehey, that's NY basketball. Slow, brutual and boring. That's why i couldn't watch them before, and can't watch them now.
Delete@mt
DeleteI agree!
Agreed with someone who said that Tyson wasn't completely wrong. Compared to players like Nash and Kidd, of course Lin's inexperienced. I think individually as a player Lin isn't lesser to them but in terms of completely controlling the team's offense, directing in traffic, can't really say Lin's better.
ReplyDeleteLike Jeremy mention in his interview. To his face they wont say anything negative but behind his back they gossip like female puppies...at NBA level, if you can't score because you don't have the ball at your sweet spot which for Tyson is one feet away from the rim, then you ain't playing at NBA level. Tyson could responded by giving Jeremy his credit for saving the season and then say he's excited about the veterans they have now. But he wanted to elaborate and join in on the criticism and be no different than a jealous hater like Melo, JR, Felton, machado, SAS, mayweather, the Co host Guy from Max out in the morning, woodson, dolan, CP3, etc.
DeleteRealGM poster NySpartan4 saw JLin and the Rox practice at the UTPA gym:
ReplyDelete"My thoughts for the workout. Lin was quick. Didnt seem like that he had any injuries. And he still has it. he split the defenders. He's got calls. With that said, I think he needs to protect his body when going to the basket. He was falling hard. I mean..not too hard but yeah..He had some steals, some assists and he hit some jumpers/3's. He was strong going to the basket and running the fast break. The rockets are going to be fast paced. But they're too young I think.
Everyone was given like a little postcard and they kept on announcing that the players will only give autograph on that but when I got to Lin, I showed him a poster that I made. He smiled and shook my hands and autographed the board. So that was nice of him. I also brought a basketball. Just about every Houston Rockets signed the basketball. Lin was specifically instructed not to sign and he was taken to the bus with security whereas other players walked up and talked to the fans and signed tshirts and what not."
A good info, thanks. It's also good to know that Lin is protected by security, as I was hoping, because a place like NY has a lot more crazy people.
DeleteThe RealGM thread is up in the Nyk page, so it's natural to assume it's NY. [The practice was at Uni of Texas.]
DeleteAnother thing. For the people who said Jeremy couldn't switch from dantoni to woodson system. You are wrong cus guess what? He did and they were wining!!! Not by a couple points but double digits I remember one of the Pacers game Jeremy had them up by 30 at one point. You guys claim to be JLin fans but as soon as someone downplays his game, you back down,.you try to play the nice Guy role.. F that. This is someone special, history in the making and Im lucky to be witnessing this during my time. The first asian american nba player and hes good!! REAL GOOD!! I will be damned if I'm going to let anybody white, black, yellow, or brown stop him from reaching his potential with excuses because he's ASIAN!! AND they can't handle that. That's what it really comes down to STEPHEN A SMITH. And im not talking basketball im talking about RACE. They think if an Asian American can succeed in the NBA then more will follow and there will be lesser money to go around and that is why they feel threatened. So everybody needs to grow a backbone cus Jeremy needs your support more than ever. I've been watching NBA since I was a kid and hoping, wishing we would have an Asian American player so I can have someone I can relate to and be proud of. Now we do people. Go out there and support him. I'm talking Jerseys, shoes, shirts, undies the whole nine.
ReplyDeleteDon't worry.
DeleteAlmost everybody here knows how amazingly well Lin played for Mike Woodson. After all, it's the players that make the system and not the system that makes players.
No matter what the Knicks say, I guarantee that Lin is foremost on the mind of his former players. What Lin did was so utterly shocking that those Knick players are like "Was that for real? NAHHHHH". But it WAS, otherwise they wouldn't be trying to rationalize it among themselves!
There is an alternative way of looking at how the haters bash Lin. Lin shattered everybody's negative perceptions save OURS because we saw a great basketball player, not an Asian no baller. People are trying to fit Lin back into their comfortable little world paradigms, but it doesn't work because Lin is that good. Were Lin not that good, nobody would say anything the way they have ignored Yi Jianlian and the first true NBA player of Asian descent, Wang Zhi Zhi.
Lin gets the negative hype. Whether people like to admit it or not, that's SUPERSTAR TERRITORY!!!
I did just that. I bought his jerseys, and I'm going to his games against NYK on 12/17/12, and philly on 1/12/13 (I've never done such things in my life before).
DeleteGo, Lin & Rockets!
Just wondering if anybody knows.
ReplyDeleteI believe Yi JianLian is back playing in China. So are there any other Asian players around this season?
Filipino NCAA star Japeth Aguilar is a 6'9" forward trying to make the NBA (Spurs).
DeleteFrom what I've seen, he doesn't have NBA reflexes or quickness. He'd even struggle in the D league where the pace of the game is too fast for him.
Aguilar is not like Jeremy Lin whose extreme physical quickness and computer like reflexes make the fastest moving players in the NBA look SLOW.
Technically no, unless you count Hamed Haddadi (Iranian) as being Asian. In fact Turkey, and much of the former Soviet countries are considered "Asia".... But the people look fully Caucasian.
DeleteGreat post.
DeleteThanks for correcting me.
Some interesting guys:
DeleteChris Tang
Jet Chang
Wang Zhelin
Siyao Sun
Guo Ailun
Meng Xiangyu
Li Muhao
Gao Shang
Jaren Yang
Tao Xu
Ray Chen
More Free [Wu You]
[Not this season.]
DeleteThanks for the info.
DeleteJet Chang was linked here b4, but I guess he got no playing time at all in the summer league.
I'm sure it will change soon enough for someone to get thru.
I'm pretty sure that if Jet Chang had NBA reflexes and athleticism, he'd br in the NBA right now.
DeleteRace aside, the NBA ability has to be there.
I've finally taken time to watch some of the youtube videos. Here are my amateur observations:
ReplyDelete- There is no true backup PG for the Houston Rockets. They have guys that can handle but can't make plays. The Rockets are better off with both Jeremy Lamb and Kevin Martin bringing the ball upcourt, which works in a Kevin McHale system because the point guard often simply makes the first pass and then it's anyone's ball
- There is no low post threat. No big man on the team has any feel for low post play. Not even Kevin McHale can teach guys that just don't have it in them to play that way.
- Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb are excellent players. Along with Jeremy Lin, they form an formidable backcourt. They'll need to be good for the Rockets to win.
- Chandler Parsons is a good finisher but isn't much of a creator. Were he able to put the ball on the floor and make plays, he'd have been drafted much higher.
- Kevin McHale is trying to teach his team to THINK. However, I'm a little concerned about that because most of the team is made of role players that would be better off sticking to designated roles. Yet I like what McHale is doing and think he's doing a terrific job.
- Once games start, opposing big men are going to jam the Rockets perimeter players on the perimeter. The Jeremy Jeremy Martin backcourt can split those traps, but no one else on the team has the physicality to do it. It would be a different story if the Rockets big men were able to score.
- Jeremy Lin is BETTER than he was last season. McHale's teams are always extremely well paced without being overmanaged. He's got his health back and he's totally in shape. Lin's camp body language looks to me as if he is trying to let his teammates feel their way around. But when the games start, Lin will unleash his TRUE self. I wouldn't be surprised if Lin is solid, relatively unspectacular, and getting WINS.
I agree with your analysis Khuang.
DeleteHere are some things I wanted to cover:
I haven't really seen too much of Omer Asik play an offensive role. As of right now I will side by your opinion about no Rockets big man having any feel for offensive play. But, let's wait and see what he does in regular season. I think the solution to this is Jeremy Lin breaking down the perimeter defense and attracting double teams from perimeter and low post defenders, to where he can dish it out to Omer Asik like he was doing in NYK with Tyson Chandler.
I also agree that the 2 Jeremy and Martin have to play their best to win games. I'm not sure how tall Jeremy Lamb is but they could go small and have all 3 players in at the same time during appropriate circumstances with Lin being the play-makers and having 2 deadly scorers on both wings.
I gotta watch their preseason & regular games and see how things go. It's a lot different when playing during training camp, preseason games, and regular season games. So I think it's hard to assess right now which is the right fit. But I'm sure Jeremy Lin will make things work.
I agree with you completely.
DeleteFor Omer Asik to be able to play the Tyson Chandler role, the Rockets forwards need to be scoring threats too. The Rockets power forwards will get cheated on defensively, but the small forwards Parsons and Delfino cannot be cheated on. In NY, Chandler either had Novak or Stoudemire at PF with Jeffries scoring too when Lin was feeding him.
It's 100% possible that the Rockets forwards learn to score in the gaps created by Lin and to a far lesser extent Martin. The Rockets have several young power forwards who can score, albeit not against committed NBA defenses. Plus, they all are athletic and can get up over the rim. That alone makes them threats to score that teams have to at least token guard.
If the Rockets had a healthy Omar Samhan, he'd singlehandedly solve the inside scoring problem. Next season, the Rockets need to take a long hard look at Samhan in training camp. At worst, he'd be a solid scoring backup center in the NBA. And if Samhan could shed a bit of weight, he actually has the footspeed and reflexes to be a very mobile and tough power forward. Think DeMarcus Cousins with a better attitude and far greater actual basketball skill!
JLin and CP25 autograph signing at Lone Star National Bank
ReplyDeleteHaha, the Bruce Lins making a re-appearance.
DeleteSeems like that's his footwear of choice. They should come with the Bruce Lin line of sandals. :)
FYI Bruce Lins seem to have made their first appearance during the 2012 All-Star game.
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Maybe he'll start a trend haha.
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Reason I want R. White on the Court with Lin so much (besides his versatility, physicality and passing) is because White is Lin's best chance for a real physical enforcer. White already showed in Summer League he will be that guy. And I don't mean this negatively, but after the first time White comes to a teammate's defense and gets some T's, his "headcase" label will be in the back of the other team's minds so they will think twice about hitting Lin with cheap shots since who knows how a physically strong crazy guy might retaliate. Nobody wants to mess with a "crazy" guy. Sorry R. White, I know you aint crazy but just keep up that persona to scare guys on the other teams and get some overt physicality on this team.
ReplyDeleteWhite, Asik, Lin, Delfino, and Dmo (cocky Euro attitude rather than overt physical strength)/Jones/PPat would be my favorite squad for that physical gritty blue collar lunch pail type of team that Lin wants. However, that squad might be a little slow, although a beast of a team physically speaking. Cool thing is they could play like that and be like Memphis (when Gay aint playing) or use a complete set of different guys like Kmart, Lamb, Parsons, Jones/Dmo, TD, Machado, Lin for a different type of uptempo, spread the floor, efficient shooting, less physical style.
good thinking, swingline! LOL That would be a great plan to deploy Royce's "crazy guy" intimidation factor to mess with the other team's mind. Judging from his tweets to promote the cause for anxiety disorder, he'll probably be far too intelligent to intimidate with brute force and shove the other guys because it will hurt his cause. But we can only hope that he will use some 'crazy eyes' to intimidate his opponents :D
DeleteI'm not sure how ready he is to play NBA style but there is no doubt he has tremendous potential with his size (6'8" 270 lbs), and strength (bench-press 185 pounds 30 times in pre-combine workouts), widest hands (11.5") in 2012 NBA draft and rebounding skills.
He also seemed to play intelligently and has excellent court vision in an excellent article/video Film-Session Royce White
It's encouraging to hear his comments that he and his Houston Rockets teammates had each others' back during the most recent absence from the training camp.
Rockets could have a mini LeBron or Dennis Rodman here. Only time will tell.
Today's training vids are coming in:
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Also post practice interview w/ jlin:
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Jesus said:
ReplyDelete18 If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you.
19 If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember my word that I said to you: The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they have kept my word, they will keep yours also.
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DeleteI prepared a longer speech but the page went off :D
Deleteit was just to say that haters can't get why jeremy acts like this cause they only know bout money fame sex and stuffs like that. So they send hate to jeremy...
Talking bout basketball i've seen royce white's footage on clutchfans... He looks thinner he shaved hair and beard and looks ready and focus... Let's hope his fear gonna end sooner rather than later
Yeah, Royce looks good, especially on this play, where he rebounds, brings the ball down court, dribbles behind the back, and finishes off the play with a very nice pass to the trailer (who unfortunately misses.) Gotta love passing big men.
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