Thursday, August 16, 2012

One N.Y. Sportswriter Who Tells It Like It Is

New York Times sportswriter Howard Beck grew up in the Bay Area and is a stand up guy. He's asking the questions most Knicks fans want answered:

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/month-later-still-waiting-for-answers-on-lin-move/

97 comments:

  1. Is already 1 month the whole fiasco and why drag the issue out again? If he KNICKS FO has something to say, it should has been done and deal with after JLIN signed with ROCKETS. Whatever the KNICKS want to or prepare to say now, is way too late and pointless.

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  2. Is already 1 month the whole fiasco and why drag the issue out again? If he KNICKS FO has something to say, it should has been done and deal with after JLIN signed with ROCKETS. Whatever the KNICKS want to or prepare to say now, is way too late and pointless.

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  3. If we're waiting for a public apology or explanation, we won't get it. Dolan and the Knicks have the "insider" Stephen A. to tell the story, and you can bet that he'll bend the truth into a pretzel.

    Only the game matters now. Words won't change anything, only wins.

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  4. Why would they explain? What will compel them to? The fans remain loyal, people have latched on to a narrative [however false] that would allow them to comfortably dump any wrong on the scapegoat, & the world continues to turn.

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  5. Just let it go and die down. Lin has already turned a new page for his bball life and so should we. As his fans we should not care and worry about anything Knicks related anymore.

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  6. I think this topic is out again because of this: "Knicks officials are under no obligation to acknowledge employee misdeeds — or even their own blunders — but ignoring the concerns of an already-beleaguered fan base is just bad business."

    We all know that season ticket renewals are sent out in advance. Maybe these who renewed expected Lin to be there, expected to see him in Orange & Blue. Now the $$$ they forked out is for naught.

    You all are correct though. "It's old news. Why would they apologized. Why would they explain." Lin has clearly turned the page on his book but clearly the season ticket holders have not. Money has been spent on those hefty tagged renewals expecting to see an exciting game of ball not the alternative that will be the reality come October. The season ticket holders feel like they are owed an explanation. Unfortunately, I don't think they will ever get one that will satisfy.

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    1. Let the fans heap whatever blames or praises on the KNICKS FO; I speaks for myself: get over it Knicks fans or JLIN haters. I am going to enjoy every games as usual but of course as an Asian, I still latch for JLIN and another Chinese player, former CAVS Yi Jian Lian but his fate in NBA is still unsure.

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    2. With the #1 pick...... MENG LING......

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    3. Dolan & Co's arrogance & contempt for Nyk fans is breathtaking.

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  7. The Knicks don't owe an explanation to anyone for any roster move that they make, least of all for letting a guy who played a half season walk after refusing to match his second offer sheet. Lin fans are welcome to root for the Rockets. As for the season ticket holders, they bought them to see the Knicks, who Lin himself stated still have a lot of good players, and as a result will win a lot of games this season. If they have no interest in doing so, then they were never Knick fans, will never be Knick fans, and Dolan and the Knicks have no reason to care about their opinions anyway. If your complaint is "I bought these tickets to see Jeremy Lin" ... that was a risk that you assumed knowing that Lin was a free agent, and you should have waited to see whether Lin actually resigned with the team first. And you can still unload those tickets to any one of the huge numbers of actual Knick fans on Ebay, stubhub or wherever.

    The only people who even want an explanation for what was a routine business decision by the Knicks are those who share the perspective with this writer, which is that Jeremy Lin was the only reason to care about the Knicks. Obviously, the Knicks do not share that opinion, and do not owe a thing to the people who do.

    Lin has moved on, and it is time for everyone else to also. Especially the ones who spent months wanting Lin to leave New York in the first place.

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    1. Its funny how people can twist facts and make it sound reasonable. Remember the times when people demonstrated against the iraq-war? Hardliners kept bashing demonstrators - saying they either follow the goverments decision or they werent patriots/real americans.

      This UNKNOWN guy basicly says that fans have to accept all decisions made by the owner or manager of an organisation - either that or they werent real fans.

      I looked it up in a dictionary. "Fan" does not equal "mindless idiot". Fans can have their favorites, fans can criticise.

      And as for "the Knicks dont owe an explanation...". Last time I checked the Knicks existed to entertain the fans. Fans didnt exist to entertain the Knicks. Also - Knicks owe their existance to ticket holders, fans, people who watch at home. In your eyes - fans/people arent worth a thing wich is why Knicks dont owe anyone an explantion for anything? Man - that guy talks like a despot. In fact he sounds like the same guy who was bashing Lin on Knicks.com all the time. Admins -> please log IP of this person.

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    2. Besides - anyone seen that clip of 5 year old Naim who as a Knicks fan cried over the loss of JLin? That UNKNOWN guy says that the kid isnt worth anything to the KNICKS and that KNICKS dont owe him any explanation. What a wonderfull ball club we are dealing with here. And as for "routine business decision..." that was the worst business decisions Ive seen in years :)

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    3. Unknown I know what you are trying to say but its kind of foolish. If you read the story you would have know that its more then just Lin they have not said anything about. Kid driving drunk Jr going to jail and doing stupid stuff on tweeter.

      No team in america can get away with not talking about these events public. Lakers had to say something when kobe called a ref a gay slur. But because the knicks have the most idiotic fan base they don't have to be a normal team.

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    4. willydilly:

      Are you a Knicks fan? If not, why do you care about the Knicks' responsibility to their fans? And why aren't you asking these questions and demanding accountability Landry Fields and Danilo Gallinari leaving? Gallinari played hard for your beloved team for 3 years during some mighty lean times. And you put a draft pick and 2 years in Fields and got nothing in return. Where is the outrage at the Knicks organization for that wasted investment?

      "In fact he sounds like the same guy who was bashing Lin on Knicks.com all the time."

      How is this bashing Lin? And I repeat ... weren't you one of the ones who wanted Lin to leave town in the first place? For the record, this alleged Lin basher wasn't. I wanted Lin to stay with the Knicks and remain their starting PG, and spent months on this site arguing for the merits of it when everybody else wanted him to have his own team.
      And now that he has his own team, the same people who spent months wanting him to leave can't stop talking about the team that he has left. There is 3 times as much talk about his old team as there is about his new team. Why is that? Is it because the Rockets are a small market team with mostly unknown players that gets no national and very little local media coverage? Well I already knew that was the case, which is why I didn't want Lin to leave a high profile winning franchise in the first place!

      The fact that so many find Lin's old team more interesting to talk about than his new one - and also started rooting for other stars to come join Lin in Houston - really makes me wonder if the folks who rooted for Lin to leave New York in the first place (and I was called a Lin hater for wanting him to stay in New York and be their starting PG instead of wanting him to leave and have his own team) secretly wanted him to stay.

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    5. @Unknown:

      Obviously there will be more opinions about JLin & the Nyk since there is history there. He hasn't even played one game with the Rockets, what's to talk about?

      You make it sound like people wanted JLin to leave NY out of spite, just to hurt the Nyk. If the Nyk FO treated him well, why would anyone have a problem with him staying?

      As for wanting other stars to join him in Houston, why should people say no if there's a chance to improve on their current roster?

      Continuous improvement is a good thing, for every team, no?

      ???

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    6. @Unknown:

      Dont you dictate me what and who Im to care for. It doesnt matter if Im primarily a Knicks fan or not. I can care about Knicks fans and I can bash Dolan without asking for your permission - if you didnt know that!

      I care for Knicks fans, I care for little Naim, I care for little puppies and I care for people who suffer under Putins presidency. Thats what makes me a decent human being. But of course - you dont understand that. You only care for Melo, Dolan and your own opinion.

      Why would I like to bash Dolan? He called Lin a liar, claiming that JLin has betrayed him. He makes the claims - he is to explain himself. That explanation ist yet to come. There are countries where making such claims without giving proof means prison time. Thats how bad it is.

      As for Lin leaving NY -> I wanted Lin to join another team. I wanted him to make this decision. I didnt want Dolan to betray Lin and then ruin his reputation by calling him a fraud. To you its obviously the same. To me its not. But then again - your a Lin basher with no decency.

      As for topics for people to talk about -> people should discuss whatever they want to as long as its remotely linked to JLin AND THE TOPIC THAT THE ADMIN HAS POSTED. Lins past is obviously linked to Lin. So why shoulnd we discuss it? Because we could end up bashing your beloved Melo and Dolan? You wouldnt want that would you? Let you in on a secret -> youre not the ruler here.

      As for talking about Rockets -> JLin hasnt played yet and the roster is still a mistery. What is there to discuss Mr. "Leader of the party of Lin bashers"?

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    7. via wong:

      Lin has history with the Rockets too ... when they cut him and gave his spot to lesser players.

      And we have been through the "how the Knicks treated Lin." Let us just say that the expectation for the Knicks to blow up their current team and rebuild around Lin was exceedingly unrealistic for a ton of very legitimate reasons. We are just going to have to agree to disagree on the idea Knicks' failure to blow up a team that they have dedicated years and hundreds of millions of dollars to put together in order to make a guy who has 35 games of real experience, but offering him $28.8 million to be the starting PG of this team that they invested to much to build qualifies as mistreatment.

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    8. willydilly:

      So, you are angry at Dolan for lying on Lin, but yet you lie when you falsely accuse me of bashing Lin? You're a hypocrite. And as for "Dont you dictate me what and who Im to care for" ... excuse me, but didn't you respond to MY COMMENT trying to tell ME what I can say and can't say, calling me a despot and comparing me to a tyrannical regime? That makes you a double hypocrite.

      And you care for Knicks fans? Sure you do ... so long as they are being angry at Dolan for letting Lin walk. That is where your care for Lin fans begins and ends. So that makes you a triple hypocrite and a liar. So, if I have hypocrites and liars casting stones at me from their glass houses, I must be telling the truth and doing something right.

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    9. @Unknown:

      I don't think people were expecting the Nyk to blow up the team & rebuild around JLin. People want Respect.

      Where did they offer him 28.8 mil?

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    10. Man..I missed Unknown. I can get my laugh in for the day because his logic is so twisted that I can't understand what he's saying. I tell you Unknown is Steve Jobs back from the dead creating a "reality distortion field." I love it..please keep coming back.

      So..let me get this straight. Ownership and management should only care about hard-core Knick's fans. They should exclude the additional 100-200 million more Lin fan's from any consideration from the Knick's future...right..Please don't disappear like you normally do :). I love it.

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    11. You mentioned this this was a "routine business decision"..please at least try to get education on what really happened..it's clear you are not...but maybe that's why I love your posts so much: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iclMp_5RGaM .

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    12. @Unknown:

      In your first post you tell people that Knicks dont owe anyone an explanation for anything. As I question that you told me Im not to care for Knicks or Knicks fans under certain cercumstances. Now you even claim to be able to read minds and that I care for people in the wrong way and for wrong reasons. You do realise that people do read all the posts right?

      Your new claims dont make the old ones better. Yeah - I recognise you. You used to bash Lin under different nicksnames trying to safe Melos reputation back then and you havent stopped. I have been reading all the posts here for a while now. Its been noticeable that people have been posting here with the agenda to protect the Knicks and to make Lin look bad ON A SITE DEDICATED TO JLIN. Are you guys organised or what?

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    13. @Unknown,

      It's obvious that you are a die-hard Knicks fan more so than a Jeremy Lin fan. I can understand that your love for the Knicks allows you to overlook the bad business decision that the Knicks made but you cannot force other NY fans or Jeremy Lin fans to do so.

      It's clearly a bad decision as Howard Beck expertly summarized in the best line of the article:
      "A month later, the same questions remain:
      If the issue was money, then why not keep Lin for two years (at $5.3 million per year) and then reshuffle the payroll or trade him before the third year?"

      It's within your right to overlook the fact that the Knicks made a bad decision to lose an asset for nothing (they can play a potential star for 2 years and trade him if he is no good) just because James Dolan felt slighted and thought Jeremy went back to Houston to increase the 3rd year contract value (Not true).

      You might not need to the closure and choose to overlook the Knicks' bad decision and it's okay. But at the same time, you can't expect NY fans and Jeremy Lin fans to move on and not discuss it because it makes the Knicks look bad. It's a free country after all.

      For the record, I wanted Jeremy to play in NY at first because it will give him valuable experience learning from JKidd as a veteran PG and more chance to win championships sooner than later. But I can see that Dolan made a mistake and an irrational business decision. So the best thing for Jeremy fans here is to root for him at Houston where the owner and the GM truly want him.

      For Jeremy Lin fans, it's also within our right to question why Dolan had to smear Jeremy's name with lies. It is democracy.

      I sure hope you can choose to see that the Knicks made a bad business decision like many people do but if not, I totally respect your decision and hope you extend the same courtesy to Jeremy Lin fans and other NY Knicks fans.

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    14. I'm sick and tired of these self-proclaimed "die-hard"/"real"/"true" Knicks fans who like to criticize Lin fans as "bandwagoners", and not "true" Knicks fans.

      They sound like only they are the superior ones, and despise Lin fans who are only rooting for Lin.

      Dolan and his puppets are well-known dysfunctional worldwide.

      Why would anyone be proud of being a so-called "true" Knicks fans (unless being birds of a feather with them), and keeping on putting their hard-earned money into Dolan's pockets?

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    15. @Unknown:

      You talk about the Rockets' history with JLin, a team that had to waive him bec they needed to clear cap space, & the 3 other PGs have guaranteed contracts. Their FO admitted to their mistake as early as Feb, practically grovelled during FA, & actually offered him a 25mil contract.

      Now compare that to the attitude from the Nyk FO, who tried [& are still trying] to justify their stupid decisions by going on a smear-campaign on JLin.

      People are angry. There is no closure.

      Think how outraged you are everytime you read some negative comments on here about the Nyk. You think the Nyk are being unfairly judged, yeah?

      Now think how you'd feel if someone did to the Nyk what the Nyk FO did [are doing] to JLin? You think you'd just move on onto your little zen space & that's that?

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  8. New York and everybody else should really move on. There is really no point in all of these.

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    1. People care and want to discuss a problem with their ball club. If you dont see a point to discuss it then let it be. Why stop other people from discussing? Is that a valueable contribution to the discussion?

      Yeah its been a month but Id like to see the media bash Doland and Co.

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    2. Because this is a Lin site and Lin no longer plays for the Knicks. Discussing Knicks issues should be on Knicks sites. Lin fans should talk about who Lin is going to be running picks and rolls and fast breaks with next year. More talk about the Jeremy and Jeremy backcourt. Lin and Lamb have more in common than not and ought to be a dynamic duo for years to come. All they need is some legit guys in the frontcourt.

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    3. So youre the one who sets the topics here now? The fact that the admin linked to a page that discusses LINS PAST is not worth mentioning? People have to ask for your permission now to discuss Lins past?

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    4. willydilly:

      Who is this liar and hypocrite throwing flames and darts at me? Who is he? I don't know. Can anyone tell me? Maybe it is you!

      And I commented on the article: it is totally bogus. You still haven't explained why the Knicks owe any more of an explanation for letting Lin - a player that they got for nothing - walk than letting a guy that they invested a draft pick and 2 years in waltz out the door, or why they traded away an all-star caliber player in Gallinari instead of doing more to keep him. Why? Because you aren't a Knick fan. You don't care about the Knicks. You are only interested in bashing the Knicks because they didn't blow up their team and make Lin the franchise player based on a half-season.

      I bet when Oct 1 starts, you guys are still going to be talking about the Knicks, and that is even more absurd than this article.

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    5. Its funny how you demand people to stop talking about anyone but JLin. Now you ask of me to talk about Gallinari? Before I do that I must not talk about JLin? Thanks for playing. I called you a hypocrite and a despot and there you are again proving my point.

      Like millions of people around the world I dont have to do the explaining. Its the Knicks who have to explain. Thats the whole point.

      As for "Because you aren't a Knick fan. You don't care about the Knicks." We got that. You love the Knicks and you think Lin is a traitor. You also share SAS opinion who claims JLin is a marginal PG. Thats why you wrote

      "I bet when Oct 1 starts, you guys are still going to be talking about the Knicks, and that is even more absurd than this article".

      What people talk about may be absurd. Whats more absurd is that face that "UNKNOWN" is trying to control peoples mind - ruling about what they are to discuss and what not. What they are to think and what not. Get it dude - youre not a Knicks fan (as in fanatic). Youre a Knicks ex (as in extremist).


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    6. Unknown is either SAS or a Knicks PR summer intern who's been tasked with a patrolling the Internet.

      If the Knicks were a Fortune 500 company making irrational decisions, their stockholders would have every right to question WTF is going on. If only Knicks fans had the power that shareholders have to ensure that their investments aren't squandered.

      Now that you mention it, Knicks fans (those who think critically and don't equate fandom with blind allegiance) have every right to be PO'd at the fiascos of the Isaiah era, the Gallinari fumble, and the Lin screw-up, which is just the latest in a long line of f-ups that would've gotten Dolan fired if his daddy didn't own the Knicks. If the Knicks were a F-500 company, there would've been a shareholder revolt and senior management would've been cleared out a long time ago.

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    7. Indeed, Jeremy has left the building. But the Knicks are obligated to give a satisfactory answer to, not only the fans, but also the shareholders as his departure has a financial impact (that can be ascertained) to the bottom line of MSG, however minute(actually, it should be quite significant) the impact is.

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  9. I do think if Lin stayed a Knicks he would play well with melo and amare, even the jealous bag jr. However the Knicks owner/FO are just idiots who wanted to low ball Lin like Cleveland did to Sasha a few yrs back, but they failed and barked back through sas pawn like dogs. Like knicks whatever you want, just gtfo here, this is #1 Lin fan site.

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    1. I think if he stayed amare and melo would have stunted his growth as a player. In Houston he is the man and the leader of the team. All of Lin's new teams mates know this. Patrick Patterson said the other day in china that Lin and himself could be the next Stockton and Malone.

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    2. There are pros and cons for JLIN leaving KNICKS for ROCKETS; as a Christian, I trust Lord always has the answer and if one door close on you, another is open for you. From all his interviews, JLIN already make himself clear and move on to ROCKETS and will do all his best to help the team to win games; thats his deep rooted desire. So whether you are a KNICKS fans, ROCKETS fans or even JLIN fans, we should stop pondering and arguing the real reasons behind this saga because is already a closed chapter and a new season just around the corner. Let's sit back enjoy good.bb games.

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    3. :) I'm really looking forward to what he can do with this young & talented team.

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    4. Have anyone read the latest Amare's interview and what he said when he was asked his opinion of JLIN and his ROCKETS contract? Bravo, Amare. You are frank and on the spot on of observation on JLIN. I hope Amare will get better after the summer workout. He was a fine pick and roll partner for JLIN.

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    5. And he was also the one who talked about wanting Nash when JLin was a free agent.

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    6. And Amare is also a guy who hates gay people - taken from the fact that he insulted own of his fans on twitter - by calling him a "fag"

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    7. I genuinely think amare is a good person, coming from a dark neighborhood. He was just being himself at that moment and forgot about he's a public figure. Out of thousands of fans, some must be annoying.

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    8. So being good means, that people put up a mask and act different from who they really are?

      Using "fag" to insult someone when theres no third person watching is ok? Doing it on twitter is not ok?

      Im sure that fans are annoying sometimes but thats no excuse. He insulted his fan by claiming his fan belonged to a group of people he hates or looks down to. In this case -> the entire gay community. It must be. Otherwise it wouldnt have been an insult. If it hadnt been an insult he wouldnt have apologized for it. The NBA wouldnt have fined him for it.

      To me that says it all. To me its no different to the "n" word or certain words people use to berate asians. Its a word that bashes a whole group of people for who they are. Yeah - everybody slips sometimes. Thats how people show their real faces.

      Disrespecting ones teammate by publicly asking for a replacement is another slip.

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    9. Michelle Wong

      There is only one con to Lin not being in New York. That is not having the media spotlight. and and Some ways this is positive not being in the spotlight.

      Case in point John wall has not gotten better since he was drafted two years ago. But since he is out of the spotlight no knows or cares. This is despite the fact the Wall was the Number 1 draft pick.

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    10. It shows that no matter no.1 draft pick or undrafted, as long as you work hard, train hard and grab the opportunity given, any players can shine in NBA. I hope JLIN will use ROCKETS as a platform to better himself as one of the top PG in time to come, even lack of media exposure compares to NY.

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  10. JLin in Guangzhou

    http://p.twimg.com/A0gHcs7CMAAip-N.jpg
    http://p.twimg.com/A0f-ASCCEAAkVz5.jpg

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    1. KOBE also in Guangzhou.now.Wonders will they meet up. But JLIN has a 3 days bb camp in Dongguan tomorrow.

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  11. After the Lin debacle, i've come up with a conclusion. NEVER TRUST the knicks, dolan and co. "we will match any offer up to a billion dollars!" That's deceitful, deceitful a billion times over. Thats a billion times more lies on top of all the lies Lin has heard in his bb career. That's one lie per person Dolan is dishing out for every person in China. Dolan is dogging the media because he's afraid to answer that foolish, amateurish statement. I'd do the same after mouthing off like that and not be able to back it up. In fact, I'd hide in a corner afraid to come out. That is exactly what he is doing, like a rat trapped in his own corner-living Linsanity hell. Only Dolan can turn something into nothing, heaven into hell, the good into bad. All the Knicks fans should revolt for a better product on the floor. I didn't like watching the Knicks until Lin took over. It's not just because of Lin, but also because of him with his fluid style of play. It was the most fun time i have had watching basketball since Magic Johnson and the showtime Lakers. And that says alot after so many championships with Kobe, Shaq, Pau, etc. as a Laker fan. If a were a Knicks fan i'd be so reviled that the team has to earn my trust back. I hear a revolution coming on....... come on New York!

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    1. Preach brother :) However - I dont think theres going to be a huge revolution. For Melo - its his one last chance. If he doesnt rock the garden -> people will start rooting for the Nets.

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  12. Does anybody else have trouble posting using their handphones? It's not working for me? Hopefully admin can answer this one for me.

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  13. Come on people, I know you are all didn't like the way New York portrayed Jeremy Lin during the early parts of the free agency. But the articles and discussions are getting redundant. We should be happy since Lin win be able to just focus on Basketball without dealing with the harsh New york Media. He doesn't have to deal with some "superstars" who do not want to share the spotlight with him. He'll be in a perfect position and situation to start over and do what he does best and that is to play exceptional basketball.

    We may have every right to talk about dolan and the Knicks anytime we want but let us consider its benefits. What will we achieve in continuously and incessantly discussing about the knicks? We will only end up reminiscing about the past that has no effect on Jeremy's future. Its over, people should really move on now.

    With all due respect to the administrator, I humbly suggest that you should avoid posting anything about the knicks and New York Unless during a game against them. I know , I have no right to tell you what you should or should not do. Its your right to say what ever you want but I'm only giving a suggestion. So instead of talking about the knicks, why not talk about the possible moves the rockets should make since they still have a lot of players. Why not discuss/predict J Lin's numbers for next season. or Discuss how Jeremy Lin will utilize the pick and roll with the current talent around him.

    I'm not trying to dictate what you should do but let us just focus on the present and the future. By the way JLinfan#1, I really appreciate what you do as a strong supporter of Lin. I'm not trying to undermine your effort or something. With all due respect, Its the best for everyone if we just move on. Just move on.

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    1. Its funny how people enter a site that specificly deals with Lins past (because of the link and the article and the topic) - to tell people to stop talking about Lins past - instead talking about Lins future. What are you guys fearing? Arent there at least a 100 pages here where that already happens? Cant we talk about his teammates when we know the roster for sure?

      Sorry man - I dont want to redicule you. But I dont have a glas ball to look into. If you dont like this talk - why dont you just read some of the other pages and topics? Why forget about the past? Havent people already forgotten too much? Do you spend your free time hitting up debate clubs - telling people to stop debating stuff?

      Like what JLin had to endure throughout his career? Racism? Slurs? Being rediculed? Now being double crossed by Dolan? Why do people always expect asians to be nice and respectfull even as they are being double crossed? Why do you nephelauxetic endorse this behavior?

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    2. I agree with you nephelauxetic that this site should not talk about the knicks but the story its self was talking about Lin so the author of the site has it right to post this story.

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    3. @willydilly

      Endorsing what behavior?
      All I'm saying is that we should just talk about something that has a bearing on Jeremy and his future. Despite his enormous hardships, I really think those things have their purpose. I'm not saying that those were justifiable but that's reality: Life is unfair. I'm not tolerating this , I'm simply saying that we should really avoid repeating the same issues all over again. Because it will not have any effect on us and especially on Jeremy since I assume he has moved on and he has better things to do than to wait for Dolan to apologize or something.

      I'm not saying what the admin should or should not post. I'm merely giving my humble suggestion.

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    4. @nephelauxetic:

      Of course our discussion has no effect on Jeremy. Of course Jeremy is not waiting for Dolan to apologize. But do you really think that whatever we talk about here effects Jeremy in any way - whether its past or future? Man - this is about the fans and their feelings. Something "UNKNOWN" claims isnt important.

      What is your point? People have been talking about JLin and the rockets for weeks now - how its gonna be - how he is gonna fit in - who he might be playing with - who they wish would join the rockets. Do you have any news that might fire up the talks again? Anynthing you would like to talk about? Ideas? Rumours? Anything?

      Again - whats your point? No talking about future so no talk at all? If you feel like this is silly - why not wait for the admins next post and links? Why contribute by telling people to not contribute to this? It might not be intersting for you but it might be interesting for others. Dont you get that? If you dont like a movie you have to ruin it for everyone? Theres a solution to this -> skip that page! Either you have a problem understanding that or you have an agenda...

      Do you go to debate clubs and ask people to stop debating? Do you go to the parking lot to tell people that being at a parking lot sucks? I really dont get it :) You feel agonizing pain if you dont do this?

      My point:
      The article shows that people still care. Its still boiling in peoples hearts. With Nets moving it might be the start of something. Dolan might have to pay for for his style of management. By talking about it we unload the anger we have with Dolan. THIS IS ABOUT THE FANS FEELINGS.

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  14. I respectfully disagree. I feel like we on this forum probably focus 90 percent of our time on discussing Jlin and the Rocket's future. Jlin's incredible past is something we should always discuss as it also affects his future. I'm not saying that we should spend out whole time talking about the Knicks, but it is definitely a worthwhile conversion to have. Besides, I hate the Knicks..I hate the Knicks..I hate the Knicks...did I mention I hate the Knicks...and I love bashing them.

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    1. If I may ask? Why is talking about the knicks a worthwhile discussion? Unless of course you are analyzing them as a basketball fan.

      If you hate the Knicks, then that is your own prerogative. However, I think hating on the knicks should not be done here (in my opinion). First of all, the issues about the knicks are a month old already. The same arguments are continuously being raised. It is becoming like a cycle that never ends.

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    2. @nephelauxetic:

      The only cylce that doesnt seem to end is the cycle of people who wont stop subverting the admin and this page.

      Yeah - you think people shouldnt talk about the Knicks here. We got it. Now can we please discuss how the Knicks double crossed JLin?

      What are you trying to stop? You trying to get not to talk about the Knicks - now we spent hours talking about you and "Unknown". How is that productive?

      Again -> dont like the page -> skip the page -> thanks

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    3. @nephelauxetic,

      I can understand where you are coming from to talk less about the Knicks and focus more on Houston Rockets because it is more productive that way.

      However, I'd have to say that the suggestion not to talk about the Knicks during the game between Houston vs NY would be unrealistic. It's good to move on but what's more important is to learn from the past and correct mistakes. Otherwise, it is not productive to simply just move on.

      I don't hate the Knicks at all. I do feel for the NY Knicks fans who must suffer from the bad mistakes the FO made in the past 10 years. Let me offer one explanation why NY people (and Howard Beck) have not moved on. It's about closure and making changes. Mr. Beck contends that NY Knicks's culture of silence in the players' indiscretion (Kidd's DUI, JR's warrant, Amare's slur comment) and not offering official explanation on Jeremy's departure is bad for business and not caring for the beleaguered fan base.

      This article is significant in NY because most NY articles about Jeremy's departure has been negative bashing him for being unloyal, lie to the NY fans, and giving fuel for other players (Stackhouse, JR, etc.) to disrespect him further. So it is important to educate people that NY FO and Ownership actually made a bad business mistake and they need to correct that in the future. Mr. Beck's is correct that he has not moved on when there are lies impacting the fan base (20% of people commenting still believe that Jeremy just wanted the money). He tried to make positive change and clear Jeremy's name and we should all applaud him for that.

      Ultimately, these articles can only do so much because NY fans can't simply boycott the games. Only money talks and will make real changes. Brooklyn Nets will offer good competition to draw NY fans that force the Knicks to change the way they do business and care for their fans. I'd like to see them set good example in reprimanding players indiscretions so it will be good for the kids.

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  15. it's a good read , nevertheless. it says exactly what i wanted to say all along... lol

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  16. It looks like my rebuttal has been answered. Jlin's journey has been an incredible one. In my opinion, analyzing this journey and the past is what makes us so excited about Jlin and his future. For example, I find it very interesting that "Season subscribers who spent thousands to renew their plans last spring deserve to know why Lin will be making one Garden appearance next season, instead of 41.", and there's nothing wrong with discussing this historic period (Linsanity). Though I despise the Knicks and think they are the worst franchise in basketball, this is secondary to my desire to discuss things in Jlin's past that are relevant.

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  17. TIME to TALK ABOUT THE ROCKETS, JEREMY'S NEW TEAM AND TEAMMATES!

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    1. I hope Houston would never trade J&J backcourt (Jeremy Lin and Jeremy Lamb) because they would be formidable backcourts for years to come. Their future is bright!

      This is a CBN interview of Jeremy Lamb and Rolando Lamb (his dad is a coach and pastor) who are strong Christians. Skip to 51:17
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8fBqMqoin4

      And this is how J&J can play together:
      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1285464-houston-rookie-jeremy-lamb-says-hes-ready-for-the-nba

      I also like Royce White's passing big man potential and Chandler Parson's shooting skill.
      There's going to be a lot of exciting ball movement in Houston!

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    2. Linsanity is based on unselfish team ball, so young Rockets may be just what they need.

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    3. [The J&J backcourt. The JLs. Linlamb. The Jeremys.]

      Can't wait for the season to start...

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    4. Patrick Patterson starts Jeremy Lamb over Kevin Martin

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaRkQBLDPgY

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  18. I see nothing wrong with all this NY talk about Jeremy Lin.

    The Knicks are historically an inept franchise, but Knick fans are very smart. There is a big gulf between the franchise and its fans, and never has it been bigger than with Jeremy Lin.

    To me, these articles use Lin to examine the philosophical divide between the Knicks and their fans.

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  19. As a knick fan since ewing and jackson and mason and camby and starks and sprewell gave up during the thomas years, and coming back with mda, i can understand why beck posted the story. Same reason why fans ask why any popular player is let go. Imagine if colts let manning go and replaced him with favre instead of luck. Questions will be asked. People still question the melo trade and dont think it was a good trade. If nyk signrd jlin and traded him for d12 or nash, there might be less grumbling. Just like people accept manning let go.

    Knick fans will move on, like spike lee. But the hurt remains because as a fan looking at the toilet on feb 3, linsanity was like going through a divorce anfd then falling in love withyour spouse all over again. But thats for a knick blog like p&t. But wanted to explain impact of jlin for knick fans. It wasnt just jlin fans following the knicks.

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  20. Shanghai Q&A [Chinese]

    http://sports.qq.com/a/20120817/000141.htm

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    1. Thanks via wong. I always enjoy your posts. Can never seem to find them on my own, probably cos I can't type in chinese. Thanks!!! :)

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    2. hmm...but I think he was probably misquoted a few times through translation in this article. And obviously, they replaced "God" with "good luck".

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    3. @anon

      :) You're probably not as 八卦 as me, haha.

      On the article, bad interpreter...[yeah 幸運, miracle.]

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    4. I can't read simplified chinese but if what you're saying is true (that he was misquoted), i don't think replacing "God" with "good luck" was a misquote - that was probably done quite deliberately. this is china, after all. if he was a westerner about God, that might be okay. But a fellow chinese descendant attributing his life events to the Christian "God"? they'll never allow that to happen. hopefully jlin will continue to chip away at this wall like he has other walls and get his message through to the people.

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  21. Group Bday card for JLin [August 23]

    http://www.groupcard.com/c/RIMZ6H3RL8j

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  22. I believe the Houston Rockets will be similar to the Nuggets in terms of success. Lots of no name 2nd tier solid quality players with a strong bench. They do however lack a decent backup 7 foot center. Many consider Lin a 2nd tier kinda guy but us here think he is closer to a top 5 PG than a scrub backup. Therefore the Rockets should have a decent record by the end of the year and make the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed and possibly as high as 4th seed if they explode (unlikely).

    I believe the Houston Rockets will be boring to most people who are not Lin fans because it's Lin plus a lot of teammates that fair weather NBA fans can't name. But I believe they will win. However, without more 1st rate quality talent, the Rockets will probably never be real contenders and lose by the 2nd or 3rd round at best.

    At the same time, I would not be surprised at all if during the 2nd or 3rd year of his contract, Lin can take this 2nd rate group of guys and luck his way into an NBA finals like he has done since his high school days.

    Lin clearly has good karma on his side. Unless he is injury prone, I believe this guy will end up making New York look so bad when his career is all said and done. I believe after this 3 yr contract is over, a few legit players will finally want to play with Lin knowing he is the real deal.

    Just over a year ago, people on here hoped Lin could get 10 minutes off the bench a night and average 8 points and 4 assist to back up Curry and Ellis. Half the people on here felt he objectively had starter talent, and those more conservative about his abilities said if Lin weren't Asian, it was clear the guy was marginal, and Lin supporter were reaching too far.

    Now the guy is the face of a franchise. Now we are worried if he is better than Chris Paul or merely as good as Mike Conley. Right now I believe he falls somewhere objectively inbetween to start the season. We will see where he ends up after the year.



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    1. Not trying to be negative here, it would be very difficult for the rockets to make the playoffs even if it is the 8th seed. They have too much inexperience. One person can only do so much. Now, the situation will be better if they use their excess players to get some veteran pieces that will solidify their basketball team. maybe a consistent scorer. Also, someone who can score inside.

      Now, the current players of the rockets were very impressive in the summer league. But we all have to remember that those were against the rookies. It would be foolish to think that those rookies will play like solid NBA players immediately without a struggle. Personally, I just do not think they will make the playoffs. They could be 14th or even the 15th place in the western conference. I'm just trying to be objective here even though I truly believe Jeremy has the talents. he is already an above-average point guard at this point of his career. Let them build their chemistry for the whole season then maybe they could make the playoffs next season.

      It is too early to say that he'll be a superstar such as Paul, Williams, Rondo, Parker, Westbrook and Rose. Let us be conservative in our expectations. I personally think he can be a legitimate all-star in his third year in the Rockets. However, if he surprises everyone again and be better than anyone expected him to be, then good for him.

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    2. *they could make the playoffs in the 2013-2014 season.

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    3. Earlier this year, I wrote that I'd be curious to see how much Lin would have improved the league worst Bobcats.

      Well, the 2012-2013 Houston Rockets are even less talented than the 2011-2011 Bobcats were.

      If Lin can make a team out of this group of low draft picks and inexpensive veterans, I would be Linsanity impressed.

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    4. The bobcats? I'm not so sure. I still think the rockets are way more talented than the Bobcats.

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    5. The rockets were fringe playoff team last year. They've done a lot of retooling and they are at least as good as last years squad.

      I look at the Mavs and Jazz, and think the Rox have a legitimate chance to snatch their playoff seeds.

      Dallas is still pretty old. The jazz were never that great to begin with.... I don't see the jazz as being significantly better than last year, and they still made playoffs too.


      Charlotte has some kind of record for losing.... Or close to it.

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    6. Vegas odds [?]

      http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s472/texansfan898/A0FCGyaCcAIHEXM.jpg
      [Clutchfan oelman44]

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    7. Any idea how the odds are computed? Rockets are better than Nets, Mavericks? hmmm...

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    8. These odds are probably assuming they would get howard. Because there is no way the rockets have an equal chance as the Spurs. There are also a lot of playoff contenders that were placed below the Rockets. I do not know what in the world those people are thinking. The rockets are too inexperienced including Lin himself.

      In my opinion, the rockets are 28th in the league above the bobcats and magic. I'm quite skeptical that they are better than the wolves, suns, hornets, blazers,warriors and even the lowly kings. They are considered by many the worst team in the western conference. It is difficult not to agree with those people. Of course, things will be slightly improved if they add some veteran pieces that are proven. Jeremy needs more proven help in my opinion.

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    9. @Janelin
      ...Not sure, but the odds makers are USUALLY correct, most of the time [but this looks goofy, haha.]

      @nephelauxetic
      It's been adjusted for D12, see Lakers at top spot.
      [This was shown a day after Howard trade.]

      Yeah, goofy...

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    10. Goofy? Maybe not.

      Since the odds makers are usually correct, their statistical computation may indicate something that we don't know. So it's really gonna be an exciting season ahead for the Rockets! Yay!

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    11. I'd love if that's what it is! :)

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  23. New Yorkers are known to be very careful and wise with their money. When something like Linsanity comes a long and makes them go out to spend a lot on T-shirts, jerseys, and merchandise ... and then Lin does not return to the Knicks, like management said he would, they are bound to feel ripped off. Some might direct that frustration at James Dolan, Carmelo, or Lin himself ... but everyone has strong feelings about it that won't go away without a logical explanation.

    Silence only builds more frustration.

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  24. Why the hell we can't talk about the Knicks? Though some of us may not be a Knicks fan we can still talk about them. We can just critize them the way they critize us jlin fans!!!! Don't like it. Don't come here then. But Yet honestly ....I m tired of talking about them too. They make me^ boring . Though I don't like the way unknown put it, but to some degree I agree. Their explanation don't really seems to matter at this point. U know a phrase that says apology comes too late. In Knicks case explanation comes too late. The Knicks topics are not cheerful. Please admin post more thing not relate to the Knicks, or not so relate to the Knicks:). Lol...seems so hard...because Still many articles about Knicks n Lin ...n I do expected a lot talk about knicks n Lin in the future.either a good way or bad way. Be prepare us jlin fans for any critics.

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  25. i am just so glad jlin got out of ny, especially after they signed kidd. i can imagine kidd trying to take out jlin in practice. then after comments from melo and j.r., now i really dislike the knicks.
    realistically i think the rockets will win about 35 games. but they have the potential to win 50 if key players step up. i think the PF position is most critical, and the rockets need either donatas, jones, or white to solidify that spot. they will play small when asik sits, and i believe they can be effective playing small, forcing turnovers on defense, running fast breaks, etc.
    i truly believe jlin will average about 20 pts/8 assist/2 steals per game. there are lots of reports that criticize jlin's defense. i don't buy it. defense is really hard to quantify. if teams run a pick, and the defense don't rotate, you can't blame it on the pg. that's how parker and williams scored against jlin.

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    1. "i truly believe jlin will average about 20 pts/8 assist/2 steals per game".

      I think you are geting too bold in your prediction.

      I personally believe he'll average 16.5pts/7.5 assists/ 2.1 steals / 4.2 rebounds
      I think he's a decent defender, but not good.

      25-30 wins is my projection for the Rockets next season.

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    2. Your predicted numbers look very similar to his averages in NY without regards to:

      Injured
      Tanking teammates
      MPG
      Starts
      Poor utilization and ball sharing by coach/system/black hole Melo
      Poor Game conditioning


      With Lin running the entire show in Houston with some experience, 20/8/2 is very very possible. But it's how the other guys and the team as a whole will do IE their contributions and the teams W/L.... we need to know and see.

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  26. Dime Mag Top 10 Vids of the NBA offseason
    [#6 Jeremy Lin Parody song]

    http://dimemag.com/2012/08/top-10-videos-of-the-nba-offseason/

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  27. once again, not sure if anyone posted this, maybe another version...
    Jeremy teaching kids bball in China...look out for the part when he starts teasing this cute little girl's pony tails (0.59min)
    really cute :)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zdfZplFLc4&feature=relmfu

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    1. Jlin being mobbed and given xiao long bao at shanghai airport
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=1j6vz_DMc6s&NR=1

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    2. Man - I wish people would give me food all the time.

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  28. JLin arrives in Guangzhou

    http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/83763967-1996496624.html

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  29. I love JLIN as a brother Christian and also because he gave me to stand up for myself and breakout to pursue my dream; therefore I do get emotional when haters speaks ill of him with no reasons at all. When saw the circled 1 July on my calender, I was in a turmoil ; weighing the pros and cons if KNICKS did offer a contract to Jeremy; will he be the starter or will Woodson or the toxic environment in KNICKS will stunt his growth as a premium PG and what about the pros? Better exposure? With NY as a biggest concentration of media hype in the States, he will be the centre of attention. But NBA is all about bb or media exposure/hype? I was a bit a dissapointed when he signed with ROCKETS for the pathetic roster they are having now and he negative reception of ROCKETS fans; I am really worry for JLIN. But I've drawn a conclusion that with a young and rebuilt team, I hope JLIN will take up the challenge and overcome the hurdles to become a elite PG in he league. NEVER SAY NEVER.

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    1. Michelle,

      Things happened for a reason. It is up to us to find out what the reason is.

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