Monday, August 6, 2012

Jeremy's Favorite Assistant Leaving NY

New York Knicks assistant coach, Kenny Atkinson, spent this summer working with JLin and was instrumental in preparing JLin before the start of Linsanity.  Now, he is leaving for Atlanta and the purge is about complete. All of the "D'Antoni/JLin guys" are pretty much gone from the Knicks. The only holdover is Steve Novak. I wouldn't be shocked if he struggles and gets traded as well. It's so obvious there was a great divide in that locker room. I actually think Tyson and Shump were neutral.

Kenny Atkinson: New York Knicks assistant coach heading to Atlanta - Buckets Over Broadway - A New York Knicks Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More

Jeremy Lin’s Evolution - NYTimes.com


Gone:

Coaches - Mike D'Antoni, Dan D'Antoni, Phil Weber, Kenny Atkinson

Players - Jeremy Lin, Landry Fields, Jared Jeffries, Jerome Jordan, Josh Harrelson

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  2. and ..Tony Douglas .

    I think Amare and shump are going to be the next ones to be gone since their names were mentioned in last melo's interview.

    Quote" They're not going to point to Amar'e. They're not going to point to (guard) Iman Shumpert. They're going to point to me. I accept that. It doesn't bother me."

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    1. They need Shump for his defense. It seems that he is a more pro Melo than Amare

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  3. Atkinson has been working out with Jeremy since the beginning of his season in KNICKS and Jeremy seems to have great trust in this coach other than D'antoni. So now KNICKS coaches now are the 'groupie ' of Woodson. Anyway, is good Atkinson left KNICKS, he will be phased out eventually by Dolan anyway.

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  4. Novak [& Tyson] came out in defense of Melo, however. They showed they will tow the line. But who knows...

    Amare's a goner [if they could move him.]

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    1. ok, maybe not Amare if Felton brings him back.

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    2. I don't think Melo likes Amare. Noticed that he even put Amare in the same class as a rookie like Shump. It's just that Amare's contract is virtually untradable so the Knicks are struck with him. Expect Melo to throw Amare under the bus if the Knicks fail again next season.

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    3. Agree. Melo actually tried to get rid of him once before. Amare's aware too. So no love lost, really.

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    4. Amare is the odd one sticking out in KNICKS unless he can get Felton to light up the fire in Amare again or else he is a goner. If Jeremy remains in KNICKS, I believe they can mesh well in their pick n roll play; given enough time to train together.

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    5. Although it sometimes looked like JLin have better chemistry with Tyson, yeah he + Amare not a problem.

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    6. jeremy passed the ball to everyone even Smith because he understand the fundamental duty of PG is to pass the ball to the team mate that can score in a split seconds.

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  5. Shumpert is actually Melo's guy. I think some articles mentioned it before. Their personalities seem to match. And I would assume Melo for sure likes this kind of defense first guy who will never steal his spotlight.

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  6. DOLAN and CAA a big 'happy' family! Ron Atkinson should thanks his lucky star for getting away from KNICKS before beginning of the season. Dolan and Woodson already painted a bullseye on his back.

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  7. & Now for something completely different:
    [What a great guy!]

    5 Yr Old Heart Broken over Lin Leaving Knicks
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAcK6qG3CEs

    1 Aug HM ‏@TheMindOfHM
    @JLin7 You're awesome for taking the time out 2 Skype with Naim :) Sorry he was so shy. Thanks in advance 4 the Knicks Rockets tix! #Amazing

    1 Aug HM ‏@TheMindOfHM
    Jeremy said it is okay to share the video! I will be uploading it sometime tomorrow! @JLin7 can't thank you enough! What a great guy!!

    5 yr old Naim and Jeremy Lin Face Time/Skype chat
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Yu-TiYmL4

    "...The session went great, my son was so shy though my wife and I did most of the talking while he responded back to Naim. Jeremy is such a sweet kid, really great guy.

    My son asked when did he start playing bb he told him when he was 5 my son showed him his bb trophy from peewee league.

    Asked how did he become so good, Jeremy responded just listening to my coaches, playing hard, practicing every chance he got.

    Asked if he hangs out with TD and Harrelson since they're on the same team. Jeremy responded not yet he's been home in California working out, etc. He plans to when he gets to Houston.

    My son wanted me to tell him that he will miss watching him play for the Knicks, Jeremy said he's going to miss playing here too and he will be here in December, said his manager will hook us up and maybe see him after the game.

    He finished by thanking us for our support and my wife and I thanked him and his team for everything.

    His manager said I can share the video, I'll upload it sometime today. My user name is hmpeopleinmyhead if anyone is interested watching."
    http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1198060&start=255

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  8. Jeremy just is so strong mentally and strong on the court, yet he has the tenderest heart, especially towards kids. He just pulls people towards him. People can not stop but loving him.

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  9. Jeremy Lin on the Upside of Others’ Low Expectations

    http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/08/jeremy_lin_on_the_upside_of_others_low_expectations.html

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  10. It'll be interesting to see what the Knicks record will be next season.

    As the Knicks are constructed, they are a halfcourt post up isolation team with Carmelo Anthony on one side of the court and Stoudemire on the other.

    I'm concerned that the Knicks won't be able to stop dribble penetration. Plus, defensive rotations are always going to be hard when either Stoudemire or Anthony are on the court. Also, the Knick guards can't take people off the dribble and thus can't be counted on to score.

    I am not good at predicting team records, but I do see some areas that concern me. As I am a NBA fan and not specifically a Jeremy Lin fan, I will still follow the Knicks since I've done so all my life.

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    1. I am a bb fans and not rooted for any team because I agree with Jeremy in a lot of perspective towards life. Quote : Nobody came to NBA don't know how to play; all they need is opportunity to prove themselves and to earn a spot in the team permanent rotation. I agree with him. Therefore, Jeremy has light up my desires to be a better person and Christian which I've off track for some time.

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    2. KHuang, IMO the Knicks would finish slightly above .500 barring any injuries and advance to the 2nd round at best if they don't meet the Heat in the 1st round.

      I agree that they have not solved the biggest problem to play Melo and Amare together. Perhaps JKidd can pull a miracle or Melo is inspired to pass the ball to prove that he is not a ball hog but I think both he and Coach Woodson will resort to his iso play when it counts the most in the playoff and it will fail again.

      And they will lose Jeremy's ability to penetrate to break defenses since both JKidd or Felton are too slow on their feet. With all the old veterans and the defensive presence of Tyson and Camby, they will want to slow the game to death and rely on iso-Melo. The offense becomes too predictable and they can't get easy score. This will just not work to beat the Heat's quickness if they have any championship aspiration.

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    3. "Jeremy has light up my desires to be a better person and Christian which I've off track for some time."

      - I agree. He inspires me. I suck at being a Christian.

      [I admit there was 1 or 2 posts on the other thread where I was simply...trolling. You sounded so livid, KHuang, I just couldn't help myself. I sincerely apologize for those.]

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      "...which I've off track for some time."

      - I get snarky all the time, no patience, combative, etc, etc...

      Need to learn more from JLin's example.

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    4. @Michelle, I agree that Jeremy's impact goes beyond basketball courts and inspire people from all walks of life, especially underdogs to overcome adversity with hard work and his faith to do the right things for God and take care of others.

      It's the little things that he did like Skype call to the 5-year old to cheer him up and continue rooting for NY Knicks and other lady recovering from cancer that win people's hearts because it show he shows his faith in action, not just words to preach to others. He also inspired me to put my faith in action to care for others around me. I would expect a standing ovation when he comes back to play in MSG because he never said bad words about the Knicks even after all the debacles.

      And he will definitely need constant prayers to withstand temptations that came with fame, money and jealousy from others. I can already see SAS gets ready to jump on any bad news on JLin and say I told you so.

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    5. JLin at church event at Hsin Chu to teach kids bball, inspire.

      http://www.appledaily.com.tw/appledaily/article/headline/20120807/34421802

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    6. http://s1.djyimg.com/i6/1208061655161538.jpg
      http://s1.djyimg.com/i6/1208061655061538.jpg

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    7. Yupp! He manage to pitch the Manganese press that park outside the hotel; instead of going via the usual 'motorcade' he switched his ride to a incognito mini bus to the camp. His intention is to keep a low profile for his unofficial itinerary. Only the school guidance councillor who initiated the request, Jeremy's family and himself known about this special trip.

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    8. I despise my handheld. It is retarded and go against whatever I type. Let me make some correction here on my posting : "He manage to ditch the Taiwainese press"

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    9. I AM livid, via wong.

      I'm not livid at anyone specific here, not even the people I've had problems with. I'm livid with the overall state of racism that prevents Asian Americans like Lin and myself from being accepted in society.

      Meanwhile via wong, you should rethink your Christianity if you enjoy trolling others. It doesn't matter how devout one claims to be, enjoying oneself at somebody else's expense is not healthy.

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    10. And what's with this supposedly unChristian think about being noncombative?

      We have an entire Old Testament talking about war and violence, plus a New Testament whose hero Jesus was quick to take on anybody who he didn't agree with.

      It doesn't matter what faith one has, sometimes disturbing the "peace" is the ONLY solution.

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    11. :) KHuang, I wouldn't feel bad about it if that's the type of person I am.
      I was exasperated that my point [why JLin shouldn't pick-up after others] was not getting across at all & I guess it brought out the snark in me.
      I should really take a page from JLin's example [& I will.]

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    12. @KHuang
      "And what's with this supposedly unChristian think about being noncombative?"
      - I suppose when no understanding can be reached, it'll be wise to stop pushing. I sometimes forget that. It really doesn't help at all. Both sides simply turn defensive & further entrenched in their stance. It easily turns into a Pride thing.

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    13. "...a New Testament whose hero Jesus was quick to take on anybody who he didn't agree with."

      - I truly do admire that about JC. :)

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    14. my 2cents

      "It doesn't matter what faith one has, sometimes disturbing the "peace" is the ONLY solution."

      I absolutely agree that Christians and those with other faith should stand up for justice, which often times will disturb the peace, i.e. racism, discrimination, bullying, etc. Often times, many Christians choose to be meek and avoid confrontation even in the presence of injustice.

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    15. "We have an entire Old Testament talking about war and violence, plus a New Testament whose hero Jesus was quick to take on anybody who he didn't agree with."
      I have a slightly different understanding here. A more accurate statement would be Jesus was willing to confront issues and anybody that His Father didn't agree. Why is it important?

      Just my 2cents.
      Because JC used kind words and actions and befriend people most of the time to make lasting changes. But if it doesn't work, he was willing to be brave and angry to defend His Father's cause, i.e. turning tables at the temple since people made a mockery of the worship to make money by selling animals and desecrate the holy temple.

      For me, it is easier to lash out to people who I disagree with. It's harder to be patient and kind most of the time to help people (i.e. my kids) to change just like JC. And if necessary, stand up for God's cause and not my own.

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  11. copying from the previous thread:

    Don't you get the feeling that the Knicks try to recreate the formula from Dallas Mavericks 2011 championship team with a lot of veteran players to surround Melo? Think about it. They already have the same two players in Chandler and JKidd and Melo will be the new Dirk Nowitzi as the main scorer.

    Dolan will want to have championship or bust with this 2-year plan. Unfortunately, IMHO this will not work since:
    1. JKidd is too old and really in his last legs (and made more jump shots in night clubs than on-court. see his technique at goo.gl/A75dy )
    2. Dallas had a deeper bench,
    3. Melo and Amare never can play together,
    4. and Melo and JR "me-first" mentality will not recreate the team-first chemistry that the Mavericks 2011 team had.
    5. Rick Carlisle is also a better coach than Woodson considering their playoff record. (.515 vs .353). Yikes!

    I expect the Knicks 2012 team will only win the first round of playoff if they did not meet the Heat or suffer many injuries and traded Amare+Shump+Novak for Chris Paul. At least that's what I expect from a running Broadway show that the Knicks really is. They need to sell those $1K tickets. What a sad story for this great franchise!

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    1. NYK have 3 other glaring disadvantages:

      passing
      off ball movement
      defense

      Dallas shared the ball. Dirk was always the first option, but he nor the other players were such big ball hogs. Every team has em, but they were more effective and more willing to dish.

      They shared the ball, so they moved, set screens, and didn't pout about not getting enough shots. Maybe they did pout, but it came from people who produced wins......... and you would never see Dirk pout in a win or a reserve saving Dirks season by catching fire for two months.

      The final thing is defense. they had many defensive stoppers. Four 7 footers who weren't walking dead, Marion, and Stevenson. And those that weren't especially good..... possibly even terrible..... at least it was never due to a lack of effort. *coughmelonomacough*

      Oh yeah, one more thing was they had contributing, team first, capable shooters everywhere. They had 3/5 starting, 3/4 second string, and 1/3 third string players all shooting at least 34% from range. Many players shot significantly higher than 34%.

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    2. Repeating yet again:

      Melo won plenty of games in Denver - a tougher division and conference - with less talent around him.
      Woodson won plenty of games in Atlanta back when the divsion and conference were tougher with a Hawks team that was nowhere near as talented as the Knicks.
      And the Knicks had a very good record down the stretch last season against some very good teams when Woodson took over despite being riddled with injuries (including to Lin).

      So, if you are rooting for the Knicks to be terrible or even mediocre next season, prepare to be disappointed. They won't go to the NBA Finals - because the Heat are no less than the 2nd best team in the NBA - but they will win a lot of games and advance in the playoffs. The Knicks flaws look horrible, true, when you are comparing them to some championship or ideal team, but put them up against the competition in the very mediocre eastern conference, it is difficult to make the case that the teams that they are going to be competing with for playoff positioning behind Miami are clearly better.

      Rooting for the Rockets will be a much more productive use of your time and energy than rooting against the Knicks.

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    3. I definitely wouldn't call the Carmelo Anthony teams in Denver less talented than the 2012-2013 Knicks.

      You had a much younger Carmelo Anthony (sporting a wicked dribble drive game from the perimeter and a high flying dunking game that he doesn't do anymore), Andre Miller, Chauncey Billups, Nene, Allen Iverson, a declining but still effective Kenyon Martin, Marcus Camby, and an improving JR Smith among others. With the exception of Martin, all of those players were in their athletic prime.

      The Knicks are still potent, but injury and age are serious concerns. They, including Carmelo Anthony, are significantly older than Anthony's Nuggets. That will be enough to be effective in the East, as I still consider the East a weaker conference especially with the Celtics aging and the Bulls being in turmoil due to Derrick Rose's injury.

      None of that diminishes Carmelo Anthony's incredible play in Denver or NY. I thought he should've won Rookie of the Year over Lebron James. I also thought that it was unfair to criticize Anthony when he couldn't have more playoff success against the mighty West teams of his Denver years.

      I hope NY has a good year, not necessarily in record but in playing well. For me, a team does not need to win a championship since I simply enjoy watching the game.

      I hope Jeremy Lin comes back to NY and leads Houston to a nail biting game like when Danilo Gallinari returned last season with Denver.

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    4. Similarly, I definitely feel that Woodson's Hawks are more talented than Woodson's Knicks.

      Atlanta had a functioning Mike Bibby, Jamal Crawford, Joe Johnson, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Jeff Teague, and a bunch of other unsung but effective veterans like Zaza Pachulia. That was a younger and deeper team than Woodson's 2012-2013 Knicks.

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    5. The converse is true CARMELO SUPERFAN.


      You think Melo is damn good? You are one of his superfans that agree he is top 5 and as good as Lebron. Welp, then he hasn't really done ish in the NBA, East or West Conference relative to his talent level and his team's support.

      The latest article posted up, "Time for Melo to do more than talk success - NBA - CBSSports.com News, Scores, Stats, Fantasy Advice," is great.

      But it forgets to add Melo's own personal quote admitting he tanked it for Mike D. But it doesn't gloss over how good the support and how good Melo is supposed to be, claims to be. Neither does it gloss over that he has won some games, but done ish in the playoffs, the games that matter. If I recall correctly.

      The same last part holds with Woodson. Cool regular season wins yay~! Then playoffs come, and "ugh it's like they know exactly what play we're running every time. JOE JOHNSON GO SET UP AN ISO ON THE RIGHT SIDE THIS TIME. THEY'LL NEVER KNOW."



      Unknown you should stick to rewriting/rehasing my posts to 3 times their original length and considering them your own rebuttals to my posts.

      Unknown you can repeat all you want, I guess it's somewhere within these 100 posts on here, I hardly even read the stuff you spout, let alone keep track of it.




      PS - After 9 years, Anthony finally decided to train properly in the offseason. WHAT A LEADER, THIS GUY IS ALL IN LOL. Quoting the CBS article...

      "Anthony showed up for Team USA training camp 12 pounds lighter than he was when the Knicks were bounced out of the first round by Miami. This was a positive sign -- unless you dare to wonder why Anthony had 12 pounds to lose after playing 71 professional basketball games in six months. "

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  12. I don't see anyone on that team that will be able to consistently get his own shot. The fix is cutting, passing, offball movement. Maybe they discover something but their gameplan is black hole isomelo with everyone else standing around, and he (they?) can't do or won't anything else

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  13. Melo+ Kidd vs Amare +Felton? How many more PG they signed on? ? By the way, the rookie Machado is going to sign with Rockets? Some compare his story similar to Jeremy, but I can't say much about his character. You can have all the cockiness in the world but before you start playing in the league and show your ability, telling your potential employer (Rockets) that you are a bog fan of KNICKS seems to a bit insufferable conceited. Don't try to climb a mountain before you even yet see a hill.

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    1. + Pablo Prigioni [35] from the Euroleague.

      Machado & JLin's story, no comparison at all. [Machado was never discriminated against.]

      "You can have all the cockiness in the world but before you start playing in the league and show your ability, telling your potential employer (Rockets) that you are a bog fan of KNICKS seems to a bit insufferable conceited."
      - Yeah, there's a difference between confidence & arrogance.

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  14. My apology. I don't really know this kid Machado, therefore it is unfair for me to pass judgement over his character. But even as an athlete, one has to possessing reasonable IQ and EQ to deal with the ravenous appetite of the press.

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    1. It's all good.

      I'm sure Scott Machado wants Jeremy Lin's job, and I'm sure Jeremy Lin wants Jeremy Lin's job.

      If Scott Machado can beat out Jeremy Lin, he should start. I can't see it happening, though. I'm not even convinced that Machado could beat out Toney Douglas and Carmelo Anthony's super productive old teammate Earl Boykins.

      At the least, Scott Machado has a chance of shuttling back and forth between the Rockets and D League Vipers.

      I am rooting for Machado to make the NBA.

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    2. Machado vs other rookies

      38% from the field
      28% from 3
      50% from the free throw line

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    3. Machado is just trying to get a spot in the NBA team so I'm glad he has the confidence that he can be like Jeremy Lin when given the opportunity. I only see it as a NY media problem trying to spin his words to undermine Jeremy Lin's accomplishment.

      Wow, Machado has a lot of work to improve his shooting although he has PG skills. I hope he works as hard as Jeremy.

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    4. Whether your talent is nature or nurture; if the player stop or slack in his training, a sharp weapon will dull too, inevitably.

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    5. He is just trying to get a spot, but there are certain things and ways to say things that players (unheraleded players who haven't done anything yet in the NBA.... isn't even on a team.... and just went through his first Summer League) shouldn't be doing, especially about Mr. Perfect Christian Uber Underdog, Jeremy Lin, who he has to play with in Houston this year.

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  15. That is funny how the NYK cleaned house and let CAA open up shop.

    Tyson, Novak, and Shump...... I don't believe they are fully neutral. I want to think they are actually pro lin, but none of them has the clout to say something to that affect. At least not publicly. They are not so much neutral, but they must tow the line seeing as they are all stuck in NY for now. at least publicly.

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    1. OR ... did the Knicks just get rid of a bunch of guys who weren't doing a thing before Lin, and won't after he is gone? And why should the remaining players be more loyal to Lin than A) the organization that is paying their salaries and B) the teammates that they are going to put in all that hard work to try to win games with next year?

      It isn't as if these guys were lifelong friends of Lin who grew up in his neighborhood or went to school with him or something. They had never even met the guy other than maybe in passing before he joined their team last year, and now he is gone. This is basketball: players and coaches come and go. So why be pro-Lin or even be neutral when Lin is playing for another team now? Or any more pro-Lin than they are pro-Danilo Gallinari?

      What those guys had with Lin last year was great, but that was last year. And it is not "towing the line because they are stuck in New York." Don't make the mistake of believing that they support Lin as much as you do, or that they have any reason to. They are out for themselves, their own careers, and their own current team, just as you would be if you were in their situation.

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    2. You are right in certain point. Each to their own and there no friends or enermy in the league. You might be opponents today but may become team mates tomoerow. But I believe Jlin and Landry F are true friends because they known each other before coming to the league.As for the ewat on Knicks, merely acquitances off the court and tean mates on court.

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    3. LOL @ Unknown - Are you as funny as who was it..... Eric? Cuz I think his posts are hilarious. I don't even have to read all 10 paragraphs of his posts to get his jokes.

      You basically wrote 3 paragraph rebuttal trying to debunk my 1 paragraph post.... that had the same bottom line...


      They are still in NY, and watching out for their careers by not saying against NYK or Melo or CAA



      Regardless pro/anti/neutral.....

      PS -- FYI you don't fully know their relation to Lin either.

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  16. Can't blame them either for 'backing' up the 'ridiculous' claim by Melo but you don't have to sing the same tune as he did; I am quite disappointed with Novak in this aspect. Just clamp down and don't pass disparing comments in others player's contract.

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  17. None of those guys were any good except for when they were playing with Lin, so why keep them around? How would doing so help them win basketball games or serve any other useful purpose for the Knicks? Notice that Rockets didn't try very hard to land any of Lin's Linsanity mates either, and neither did anybody else save Toronto for Landry Fields, who had a pretty good 2010-2011 season in New York before Lin. Yes, the Knicks are building a team around Melo that fits Woodson's system. What else were they supposed to do? Build a team to fit guys (D'Antoni, Lin) who aren't around anymore? And why would they do that?

    Lin has moved on, so have the Knicks, so it is time for everyone else to as well.

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    1. Jeremy Lin definately.has move on long time ago after the dust has settled so does his fans. What rattle me and I bet most of Lin fans that during an interview in London, he is blaming Linsanity is the reason he was criticise being selfish. Either his words has been misinterpreted or he that what he meant. So, ot is Knicks and Melo and most of all New York media should move on from Lin and all those sappy stories behind

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    2. Nah, it's NO FUN to move on. You're right here with us, Unknown.

      I have mixed feelings about bringing in all these old guys for the Knicks.

      For many years, I've watched the Knicks ship out promising young players for declining veterans who end up clogging the salary cap due to their lack of production. That being said, the 2012-2013 Knicks have to work with the roster that they assembled.

      I am OK with the Raymond Felton and JR Smith signings. Those are low dollar deals that are entirely consistent with the level of production they bring. I am also OK with letting Landry Fields go since he I feel that he's a natural small forward who doesn't play well alongside another natural small forward in Carmelo Anthony.

      The Marcus Camby deal, the Jason Kidd deal, the Pablo Prigione deal, keeping Novak - those are questionable to me. I'd have let Novak test the market, signed a young (un)proven pg instead of an old unproven one, tried to make something of Toney Douglas who I still think has game, kept the two young Knicks big men Jorts and Jordan for injury insurance, and tried to get Kidd for less years. But the moves might still work.

      The Knicks did their best with the salary cap in 2012-2013. My understanding is that they still have to pay the luxury tax. I am sincerely hoping that the signings ensure that the Knicks don't become a lottery team the way they would've been had Lin not stepped in and saved the 2011-2012 season.

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    3. Why would the Rockets try to get Lin's teammates?

      They tried hard to amass assets of cheap, young, athletic, potential filled players. They have a roster of over 20 people right now. During the mass, the Rockets tried to get rid of lots of their older players. They wanted Dwight. They wanted Bynum. Those lost Knicks are NOT attractive trade bait.

      The Rockets wouldn't go very far with the Knicks other castoffs if they got stuck in Houston either. They are better off seeing what their young upside guys can do while not winning a championship.

      LOL - Two of the most productive players, Fields @ 7/year and Novak @ 4/year is not worth outbidding so Lin can have old teammates. That would further handicap the Rockets so much harder. That's 11+++ million dollars, and all the cheap, young, potential upside players, they would not have to throw at FAs or team trades now or further down the line.

      You say the other Linmates come on the cheap?

      That goes back to the upside of the guys they got. And they have plenty of those on their +20 roster. The Knicks traded the Linmates for creaky walking dead. More negatives over pros in dealing with the Knicks again just so the Rockets can convince the Knicks to make (possibly) better moves. Would the Knicks even had wanted to take the Rockets assets? Possibly, but after the Lin debacle, who knows what kinda getback Dolan wold try to extract from Houston.

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  18. With all due respect to the people here, I think Unknown is right about everyone moving on. I personally couldn't care less about the Knicks. Well, I see them making the playoffs and probably getting to the second round but they are no match to the Celtics and Heat and I don't see them getting past them with their current roster. But enough of the Knicks, it will be much better if we just discuss about the rockets and Jeremy.

    I'm really excited watching the rockets and I cannot wait for them to be one of the most exciting teams in the league. I expect a lot of fastbreaks, ball movement and hustle. It will be interesting to what would jeremy's statistics will be next season. I hope the administrators of this site will start a thread discussing Jeremy's numbers next season.

    So here is my take:
    I expect him to flourish against teams excluding the top 10 defensive teams. There is no way I he will be shutdown by the bad teams and even mediocre teams. I can also see him doing well against good teams that are not dominant defensively. But he may struggle against the elite teams (there are only few of them). That is normal for a young player like him. He will learn to overcome those teams after some years of experience. So my prediction is that he averages 17 ppg, 7 apg, 4.5 rpg, 2.5 spg, 0.5 bpg, 47% FG , 34% 3FG , 89% FT, 3.9 TO/G, I also think he'll have around 3-4 game winners. I think he'll be in top 10 in 4th quarter scoring and in PER. The 17 and 7 may be a little conservative but I will not be surprised if he exceeds that.

    Also, one way for jeremy to minimize the contact that he's taking is to shoot more mid-range jumpshots and even some floaters. I saw practicing those shots. His left ball-handling should get better and it would really put a lot of pressure on his defenders if he's efficient in driving both directions. I don't know about you guys but jeremy's game is not really like nash but actually more like tony parker. I'm a long time spurs fan (but now also a rockets fan) and Jeremy has the same tendencies of parker. They both cause a lot of damage inside the paint.Parker is one of the most efficient scorers (around 50%). Maybe in his second year as a rocket, Jeremy would have been shooting above 50% once his young teammates gets much better. I hope we can have threads like these.

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    1. Thank you for your insightful review and prediction about Jeremy and the Rockets. Thw team is full of young and inexperience players and in the stage of rebuilding. Coach MChale has ro have the patient and skill to manuevre he team towards winning games butaybe we have to wait for another year to advance into playoff. Of course it is good if they can make it this year.

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    2. I think you are right about him being slowed down by good defensive teams. But in the nba there are only 3 great defensive teams. Bulls Heat Celtics. (the other good defensive teams play out east.) Lin would not have to play these teams as much. With all these factors That is why I Lin will have a great season. 20-18 points and 10-8 assists is what I think he is capable of doing

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    3. @nephelauxetic & ChuckT,

      I think he just might put up closer to 20 ppg. If the Rockets can't land a scoring big, then Lin will likely put up 15 shots a game. Assuming that he's pretty efficient and gets to the line like 5-6 times a game, he should put up 18-20 ppg. The assist number is probably harder to project. I can see something like 8-9 a game. Remember, he put up almost 8 a game as a starter playing with a bunch of guys that couldn't shoot or were having rough seasons.

      3.9 TO's is too high a number, though. If he's really improved his handle, that number should come down to like 3.3 or 3.4.

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    4. My hope is that Jeremy Lin can become the modern day Magic Johnson.

      Magic was a player that could easily score over 20 a game in the NBA. Instead, he generously spread his scoring and made sure his teammates stayed engaged. This resulted in less individual scoring but more team wins for Magic and his Lakers.

      Lin's Houston Rockets team is not as stacked as any of Magic Johnson's Lakers teams were. That means Lin will have to work even harder to get the most out of his unproven teammates.

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    5. @nephelauxetic, very good analysis. I can also see a lot of fast-breaks, ball movement that will fit this young Houston team. I hope they have some 3PT shooters to spread the floor ala Phoenix Suns and open up the floor for Jeremy.

      Yes, Jeremy definitely needs to add floaters to his arsenal. We see how effective Tony Parker uses them with his speed, it's almost unguardable.

      When the Rockets finalize the roster, I second the request to get a thread to discuss how the pieces will fit. Can't wait to watch how well they practice together.

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    6. Lin already has a good right handed floater, but he prefers to go strong to the hoop and finishing drawing contact.

      I agree, he needs to change his strategy to include more pull up jump shots and floaters. This is a very physical league, he could get hurt getting to the rim.

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    7. @ABC Baller,

      If Lin completely stops going to the rim, then that wouldn't be very smart. If he's afraid of contact, then he should play golf. A big part of his game is getting to the line. If he stops that, then his efficiency would plummet. Floaters and pull-ups can be effective (see Tony Parker), but he can't completely abandon finishing at the hoop. I agree he needs to take less punishment. But what he can't do is do a Mike Bibby, and become only a jump shooter. He needs to keep his aggressive, attacking mentality, but be smarter about it.

      I cringed a little when I read what his coach said. It's somewhat bad advice. The intentions were good, but it can have unintended consequences. What Jeremy needs to do is get stronger physically, not develop a fear of going to the rim. Like I said, he needs to stay aggressive, but be smarter about it.

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    8. @TVN I don't think @ABC Baller meant to stop going to the rim completely.

      It's a matter of balance so perhaps 75%-25% of mid-range jump shots/3PT/floaters and getting to the paint in the first 3 quarters and early 4th quarter, then flip the ratio if necessary in the last 6 min. JKidd has the right idea to have multiple gears to preserve one's body and energy to have a long NBA career.

      DWade used to have the same game to drive hard to the baskets that I cringed every time he crashed to the floor and eventually out with injury. But he managed to evolve to only use it when necessary.

      Jeremy always has the special ability of being able to get to the paint but he knows it's very punishing to the body and the big men will be gunning for him to take him out of the game rather than be embarrassed by him. I'm glad his coaches prepare him well for the next season.

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    9. If Lin's teammates don't step up big (big for rookies, and relatively unknowns), the good not elite defensive teams and the physically defensive teams are going to have a chance to take him out of the game.


      Philly comes to mind.


      The really mediocre and bad teams that double/triple team with terrible help side rotations, also will have a good chance depending on how the new Linmmates play.

      This is assuming, and hoping, Lin keeps it up this year.




      PS NOBODY IS SAYING LIN IS AFRAID OF CONTACT OR NEEDS TO STOP TAKING IT TO HOLE. WE JUST WANT HIM TO EXPAND HIS GAME BEYOND THAT. The season is a marathon, not a sprint, athletes learn that sooner or later.

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  19. JLin fans are discussing if JLin is being justifiably criticized. How is that not related to JLin?

    JLin fans are discussing evaluations and comments made by fellow NBA players, and not the least former teammates who at least on the surface seemed to be good friends with JLin last season, as evidence of the impact, influence, and respect JLin has worked for, and as a indication of his outlook with future teams and in the league. How is defending JLin not related to JLin?

    JLin fans are discussing a team that they have followed for the past year, and discussing a team in light of how big of a void JLin has left. How is that not related to JLin?

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  20. Unknown... When Melo was in Denver, the only good teams were the Lakers and Spurs. Melo has only been in the second round of the playoffs once his ENTIRE career. The Knicks haven't been to the eastern conference finals since they had Sprewell. The thing you fail to understand is that the Knicks didn't improve, they got WORSE. So how are they suppose to win a lot of games and advance in the playoffs? They got 2 dinosaurs and fat azz Ashy Larry from Chappelle show. They will be a 7 or 6 seed with a early first round exit like every other year. Don't fool yourself UNKNOWN and stop eating up that Stephen A Smith garbage.

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    1. Knicks did amass veterans to go for the Champion this year.?

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    2. To be fair, the West was and still is almost unfairly powerful.

      During the Carmelo Anthony Denver years, there were several major contenders in the West other than LA and San Antonio. They were:

      1. Phoenix Suns with MVP Nash and All Stars Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion

      2. Dallas with Dirk Nowitzki.

      3. Portland with Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge.

      4. Houston with Yao and McGrady.

      Carmelo Anthony and his stacked Nuggets had to battle teams like that. All of those teams feasted on the East.

      Thus I see no fault in Carmelo Anthony being unable to get further than he did. Those West years were very tough and still are.

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    3. The only reason the Knicks might improve, is that other Eastern Conf. playoff teams will be much worse this year. Orlando Magic is in rebuilding mode. Atlanta Hawks is in a rebuilding mode. Philly 76ers might have gotten slightly worse this year, but they are still a playoff team. So if those two teams drop out of contention altogether, New York can rise up 2 spots.
      So basically they are almost assured a better record and better standing, by being the same team.

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    4. Mike Woodson compared their new team and its veterans to Boston...... *CACKLE* *CACKLE* *CACKLE*



      Let's say the Knicks did get better, it was only marginally and not enough to take out any of the elite teams. They will lose to the great teams. They MAY win against the good teams.

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    5. TL:DR -- If Melo's as good as a lot of people think, including himself, his record is unacceptable considering the support he has had around him.

      Speaking of the stacked west during Melo's time in Denver.... he had some pretty good people around him in Denver.

      He legitimately and to a fault, considers himself Lebron level. Think about that, LEBRON LEVEL, imagine the vitriol Lebron would be getting with Melo's win/loss record.

      Look at all that Lebron has accomplished (even before his championship). Since his first playoff series, he went to the conference finals and championship finals X times. He did do it in the East, and for a while it was the least, but the top teams in the East at that time were still damn good.

      Boston and Miami won the cup even.

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  21. when linsanity initially broke out, the racist stephen a smith and ME-lo were already in full blown damage control. recall the the nationally televised 1 on 1 interview between stephen a and ME-lo, where ME-lo was asked whether he would be able to play well with Lin. they were shaking in their boots. the city / world had already embraced Lin. they knew he had game. they knew he posed a direct threat to ME-lo's brand and legacy. it was supposed to be ME-lo's town. boy were they dead wrong.

    it should be no surprise the racist stephen a will continue to lie about lin's RFA exit and lie about about lin's medical status in the playoffs.

    it's also hilarious watching fat melo's revisionist history about his "selfish" label only arising due to linsanity. nevermind the fact every message board on the planet was calling him blackhole / iso melo and lazy/selfish years before the knicks trade ever went through. nevermind the fact george karl had publicly called out melo for being selfish numerous times.

    good times watching them kill their own brand/reputations with their own mouths.

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    1. I 100% agree. It makes me sick to stomach to see that clown stephen a smith talk about his "knowledge of the game" stephen a smith is the paid mouthpiece of CAA. He says what they what him to say in turn they give him access to players and information. Check out this post (stephen a smith broke the story about Lebron going to the heat and Lin moving on to the Rockets)

      http://www.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/wqs35/hes_the_pg_gotham_needs_right_now_but_not_the_one/c5fpesi

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    2. After Lin left for Rockets, I don't even bother to read about SAS review but if he even touch base in the subject of LIN, I will definitely fire back in his column. Why? Because all his comments of Lin since his outbreak last season has been prejudice, sway and full of untruth and make up stories. My wish to share my motto with these 2 persons :" Wise man speaks when he has something to say; fool, he has to say something". I believe these 2 are the latter. LOL

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  22. As for JLin's performance next season, I believe he will not struggle much against any team he plays next season. After last year, he has a first taste of the athleticism and skill level that he can expect of starting players in the league, as well as team strategies designed to contain him. With this experience, his knack for adjusting and learning quickly, his training through the summer to further improve his handles, dealing with on ball pressure, double teams, and different defensive sets, a full training camp, and without the fatigue from having to play almost zero minutes to 40+ minutes for the most part of Linsanity, I expect JLin to hold his ground against any team and more.

    JLin is still a young player, but I believe he's a very special young player. He has shown through his historic start and very respectable former players have said that JLin is not just any typical young player.

    I believe JLin also thinks that he has something to prove to himself and doubters regarding his ability to handle elite team defenses. During the one hour interview in Taiwan hosted by his celebrity friend, the friend said something along the lines "Miami better watch out next season" and as he prompted JLin for a reply, JLin replied along the lines of "Yeah, just don't let them know we said that" (in the context of the conversation presumably not that he is afraid of Miami, but so that he can surprise Miami with a pay back performance.)

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    1. JLin: "My biggest fear is coming back to whatever team I play for next season, & being as good...I need to make sure I'm a lot better..."

      He's so driven.
      He'll keep learning, adjusting, refining his skills.

      In his last vid, look at how sharp his game is looking [& all his drives were to the LEFT.]

      He could have excused himself, but he kept to his 5hr workout in Taiwan [even after a 12+ hr flight.]

      On being asked who amongst the NBA players he aims to surpass...
      JLin: "Everbody. No, really, everybody. That's my thought process, that's my goal. People will think I'm crazy for saying that but that's my mentality going into it, is I wanna end up eventually being the best."

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    2. You've got to love JLin's confidence, and the focus and discipline to back it up.

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    3. thanks for all the links, @via wong. We get to see the excitement Jeremy brings to Taiwan and China.

      wow, 5-hr workout during vacation? Now it inspires me to work out and shed some more pounds :)

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    4. We all know the work Lin has been putting in this off season.... let's hope his teammates are doing the same.

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    6. @Psalm234

      Not sure if everyday is 5hrs, but it was a 5hr workout that same day after he landed in Taiwan [12+ hr flight.]

      In Beijing, he arrived at his hotel late but instead of going to bed, worked-out for 2 hrs. & Supposedly will be working out 2x everyday for the duration of the trip, in between his social obligations in various cities.

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    7. Training @ The Canadian International School of Beijing
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZDFna8Qs48
      [vid by icextract]

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  23. If Lin could put up similar numbers to what he did at Harvard and every other league he played at INCLUDING the NBA, those would be All Star numbers for any PG provided that his team wins.

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    1. As long as he does not descend into Yi scrub status, and as long as Lin plays at least average, I think he has good chances to be voted in over his career. If he plays good, or Linsanity 2.0, it won't matter what the racists think. I fully believe, under those circumstances, he could set all star ballot records. He's got entire nations behind him.

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    2. Yi and Lin biggest different is aggressiveness. Yi is considers one of the best in his country but compare to Lin, a Chine of Taiwanese descent who were born and raised in the State, Lin understand he has to work extra hard to prove he is as good as anyone else to deserve a spot on the team. Secondly, as a PG, Lin is very proactive and communicative with his coaches and team mates on the court as well as off he court to bring across his ideas and suggestions of a play. You can see all these during his games in Knicks. Just as what D'antoni told the reporters after the game interview.

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    3. Yi is considered the best of his country, but after a lot of promise and potential, he was considered a huge bust in the NBA. His rookie year he was almost voted in as a starter for the all star game. But after his drop off, all that kinda stuff disappeared. Yao is God/rockstar in China. Lin is a rockstar. Yi is just a star.

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    4. Playing in a national bb system is totally different withwhat these players will face in NBA. Is a jungle out there ; must be both physicaly and mentally strong and prepared.

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    5. After Yi was "exposed" the first couple years in the different NBA, he kinda dropped off.

      3RD highest voted forward on the Eastern team in 2009.

      He's still a star in China, hell, he even carried the flag, but relative to 2009?

      Yao was the man, and his rockstar status was so big in China, you couldn't even ignore it in America. But what about Yi?

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  24. JLin arrives in Beijing

    http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/itNjIfWEUyY/?resourceId=73918468_06_02_99?fr=2&referrer=http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1777924101?pn=2

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    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SyTgUbRBeo

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    2. Thanks for all of the vids via wong!

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    3. JLin's Beijing arrival - China Times
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAmxjcg_PDE

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  25. JLin getting stressed-out

    Taiwan News: Lin Shu Hao not smiling much, hides from press behind magazine, leaves Taiwan w/o letting fans know
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNAiJHUaHWw

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    1. I didn't see him hiding from anyone. Just walking through a crowd of cameras flashing on both sides, that would blind anybody. He's not doing anything different than any other celebrity would do in a faraway land. Get on the plane as fast as you can.

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    2. Thanks for the link. Appreciate it.

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    3. @MrScrewup

      Glad to help. :)


      @ABC Baller

      Perhaps the Taiwanese media got spoiled by JLin's enthusiasm at the beginning of the tour [when he was still fresh.]
      In any case, they are making a note of how much lesser he is smiling etc.
      [The guy must be tired, it's a whirlwind of activities, sometimes you just don't feel like smiling, lol]

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    4. 媒體盯人 林書豪離台前嘆氣

      http://times.hinet.net/topic/125/9408571

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    5. Doing all that he does, and still getting in 5 hr workouts is incredible.

      Maybe the media did get spoiled. Maybe JLin needs to grin and bear it more, somehow someway.

      *shrug*

      With Lin taking on so many activities, I'm worried he may exhaust himself too much and hit the wall or get injured again.....

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    7. @ABC Baller

      Accdg to the media, JLin "shielding" from the press [like this:]
      http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/pic/item/bd315c6034a85edf83c044b449540923dc5475dc.jpg

      1:33
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNAiJHUaHWw

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    8. @via wong

      Can you tell what magazine was Jeremy holding? Is he on the cover?

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    9. @janelin7

      Don't know the mag.

      Not sure it's him. [It's #17 & "Linsanity" though, & the pose is familiar.]

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    11. @# 1 j
      Not sure if everyday is 5hrs, but it was a 5hr workout that same day after he landed in Taiwan [12+ hr flight.]

      Landing in Beijing, he arrived at his hotel late but instead of going to bed, worked-out for 2 hrs. & Supposedly will be working out 2x everyday for the duration of the trip, in between his social obligations in various cities.

      8 Aug Training @ The Canadian International School of Beijing
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZDFna8Qs48
      [vid by icextract]

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    12. It's crazy how much he's doing. I wish him the best, and to keep going through. He signed up for it. So, hopefully he finds the energy to put on the front, and hopefully the fans don't get TOO caught up in the spin journalism of Lin snubbing fans. If we want Lin to be successful and get better, they need to be a bit more understanding........

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  27. This message is directed to @Unknown. Why do you antagonize and instigate, and then disappear? Man up and stay on the forum and respond back...don't just disappear like a little kid looking for their parents. I believe you are annoyed that we are rooting against the Knicks and all hope for their demise (I mean all on this forum). Yes..I despise the Knicks with a passion and I hope they fail miserable. Why?

    (1) They have the most incompetent owner in all of sports. Dolan is about ego and power, and he's shown that with the Lin situation in addition to countless other bad things he's done as owner (ie Isaiah Thomas, getting rid of Patrick Ewing, etc.)

    (2) The incompetent owner can't get over his own mistake of trading everything on the Knicks to get Carmelo Anthony, and now he's all in with Melo. Melo will NEVER win a championship..mark my words. They'll win 53-55 games this year, but they will lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs next year. This will be an exceptional year since they are so motivated after Jlin leaving. After that, they will be crap..mark my words.

    This article sums up how I feel about the Knicks/CA:

    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/20299/carmelo-anthony-joy-wrecker

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    1. Where's that Eric guy been? Sure he seemed like he was trolling sometimes, but I actually liked having a back and forth dialogue with him, and reading his dialogue with others.


      Unknown is just irritating.

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    2. Well, I'm not rooting against the Knicks.

      I may not like the things they do (dumping Lin is something I DON'T truly have a problem with), but I still want them to do well from a purist standpoint. I am a fan of every team in the NBA and derive as much joy from watching a Bobcats vs. Wizards game as I do watching the Heat vs. Okc battle royale.

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    3. I don't personally hate the Knicks. I dislike Dolan as an NBA owner but I do have a flicker of hope (0.17%) that Carmelo will come to realize that he needs to change his style of play to win basketball games vs. score a bunch and lose repeatedly.

      With the worst NBA playoff record (16-36, .308) among active NBA players, Carmelo should realize that he needs to change if he wants to advance to the 2nd round more than once in his career. Unfortunately, based on his latest comment that he only resorts to how he knows to play basketball the best, it shows that he has not learned the error of his ways.

      It's sad to see both Dolan and Melo refuse to change in order to succeed but I hope they change so the Knicks do better. If there is one thing to learn from the euphoria of Linsanity, they should learn that fans love to see the brand of basketball with a lot of ball-sharing and movement.

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    4. And yes, where is Eric? I do miss reading his insights and banter with KHuang :)

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  28. I enjoyed my conversations with Eric.

    Though we had different viewpoints, he knew his basketball.

    This site has the best basketball analysis of ANY forum I've been on. Everybody who participates here is pretty smart.

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  29. I like Eric KHuang and others contributors at this site: insightful and.entertaining. It make me think from different angles of certain speculation and analysis on Jeremy's play.

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