As Jeremy meets with the Rockets today on Independence Day, lets remember what Jeremy did the first time he faced the newly max (20 mill/yr) extended Deron Williams. This game was the start of Linsanity. If Jeremy ends up with the Knicks, this will be a great cross town rivalry.
JLin didn't start but finished with:
I didn't see the 2nd game between Lin vs. D-Will, but the haters keep saying that Lin got dominated by D-Will who scored 38 points on him.ReplyDelete
Did anybody see this 2nd game ? And can you explain what happened ?
Lin's stat 21 pts 9 ast 7 reb 4 stl 3 to. D-Will is 8/13 from 3, his shooting like a sniper but he rarely blow pass by Lin on a drive. Lin played pretty well miles better than his Minnesota, Toronto and Hornets game. People just want to blame Lin on the loss. A.Johnson and D-Will are talking shit because they were humiliated in the first game. That is also Melo first game after injury, his the reason they loss with 11 pts and 6 to.Delete
$700,000 > $20 millionDelete
The top rated PG in the entire NBA got punked TWICE by the LOWEST rated PG in the league.
To me, max contract players should be blowing off minimum wage players off the court.
@ABC Baller, you can determine for yourself, this is the full game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5MPn_jatFo&feature=fvwrel), broadcast in Chinese, though.Delete
Also, for senseless/clueless/cruel/vicious doubters out there, I often will re-post this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRmfwKxqe4Q). Please tell me who fought the hardest for Knicks.
And now the Knicks still can't make up their mind in resigning Lin as early as possible. ALL THEY DID SO FAR IS LIKE, "OK, HERE IS A MEAL IN AN EXPENSIVE RESTAURANT FOR YOUR SERVICE", that's all.
No wonder Lin has to withdraw from Select Team to fight for his future, as NO ONE in the Knicks management team seems to be looking out for him.
The Knicks act like they only want Lin as a minimum wage multiyear punching bag who gets sent back and forth to the D league depending on what guards ahead of him in the rotation are injured.Delete
This is the worst handling of a quality free agent I have ever seen in my decades closely watching NBA basketball. The onky thing that came close was when the Cavs offered Sasha Pavlovic a minimum wage contract after he had started alongside Lebron James and scored 10 ppg. Pavlovic eventually did sign a reasonable contract and was a good solid role playing starter for the Cavs.
I don't see Lin as a Knick next season.
With the Nets and Deron Williams rematch, the Nets whole game plan on offense was to box out Lin to free up Williams. The Knicks defense under D'Antoni after Anthony and Stoudemire returned helped the Nets' game plan. The whole Knicks post-Linsanity losing streak was not Lin's fault, though it's true the good teams did a better job defending him. The Knicks' exceptionally bad defense after Anthony and Stoudemire returned was the main cause of the losing streak that led D'Antoni to quit.Delete
Guys, nothing has actually changed with Lin's free agency. The Knicks made a qualifying offer, making Lin a restricted free agent, and told Lin they'd match whatever he got on the market. With the option As now drying up, the offers are coming into Lin - as expected. If I was Lin, I'd take the Rockets offer and shop it to the Raptors, Warriors, Mavs, etc..
The mystery has been why the Knicks didn't come out the gate on July 1 with a 3 or 4 year, 5 mil per offer to Lin. Well, they don't make offers to any of their free agents. I've speculated that they planned to deal with Nash first and budget everyone else based on if Nash, then how much apron space is left over with Nash. I've also read alternatively that Lin informed the Knicks that he would explore the market for something better than a basic 5 mil per offer, which fits with Lin hiring a top agent like Jim Tanner.
Now that Nash is going to the Lakers, I think the Knicks are a lock for matching on Lin. Nash was the only realistically available PG on the market with the stature to start over Lin on the Knicks.
* didn't make offers ...Delete
Exciting game never lost their appeal, is not practical to make any assumptions, focus on now.ReplyDelete
See, I think that Lin is a far better value than Deron Williams.ReplyDelete
Deron Williams basically forced the retirement of Jazz legendary coach Jerry Sloan. He has amply proven that he's a coach killer. And in New Jersey, Williams has amply proven that he can be a selfish stats first player for a lottery team.
Lin, on the other hand, has proven that he can save coaches and franchises while getting minimum wagers like Landry Fields and Steve Novak bigger contracts. He led the Knicks to a winning record despite a toxic team mutiny led by the former "leader" of the team, Carmelo Anthony. Also, I seriously doubt that Deron Williams generated $300 million for the Nets the way Lin did for the Knicks.
The younger, higher earning, and less toxic Lin outplayed Deron Williams once and was let down on defense by his mutineering teammates in the 2nd game.
Lin is a far better value than Deron Williams, on and off the NBA court.
Agree completely. The way Knicks are treating Lin is just not right.Delete
ESPN saying that Knicks are back as front leader for Nash with a possible trade of Shumpert and a bunch of other players for a three year ~30 mill deal. That to me says JLin needs out, not sit behind 38 year old Nash with a coach that doesnt buy in to him (oh but said he's my starter at dinner). Hopefully Toronto or Mavs make a bigger poison pill for JLin. If I where JLin I wouldnt signe but a 1 year deal with Knicks no matter what if he has no choice. Get out next year. JLin needs to start now, he's ready.ReplyDelete
Signing a one year deal with anyone would be colossally stupid for Lin to doDelete
Do we want to see JLin on the bench for the next three years with Stupid NY Knicks management. I dont.Delete
Seriously, Nash for 3 years? And he's 39 years old?Delete
History repeating itself, trading away their rising young players, for a declining veteran.
Realistically the Knicks can sign Felton, Kidd, much less than that.
Unfortunately, it's not up to Lin to choose the team that fits him most. If the Knicks match whatever offers he receives, he has no choice but to stay with them.Delete
Nevertheless, it wouldn't be so bad for him to play after Nash. Lin is only 24. He hasn't had the experience of playing a full season of 82 games. I'd rather he makes steady progress than carries the team on his back and gets worn down too soon.
I'll try to look beyond illusory fame and short-term gains so that I'd not feel so indignant for him.
Being a fan, I just want him to have a long NBA career, stay healthy and be happy all the time.
If that video doesn't put a smile on any JLin fan, make that basketball fan-nothing will. Thanks!ReplyDelete
He's not going back to th Knicks. They don have the money to because they already invested long term in stay Tyson and mela. It looks like its either Houston or Toronto now. I think it's going to be toronto with the largest offer especially since we saw Landry sign with them. U know the saying, where there is smoke, there is fire.ReplyDelete
Sorry for all the typos. I'm typin on smartphone and it doesn't let me backspace. Hope you can understand my statements.Delete
That's ok, get an Android phone ... types better and intelligent spell check function .... DROID!!!Delete
Looks like the dust will settle in the next 3 days? :)ReplyDelete
Younger. Cheaper. Better.Delete
Those three words not just describe Lin compared to Deron Williams, but to Steve Nash as well.
I think that Steve Nash is going to have a rough run in NY. Let's see how Mike Woodson deploys him.
It also appears that starting PG Kyle Lowry may be headed to Toronto since Steve Nash refuses to play there. That would leave Jeremy Lin as the starter. Even if Lowry stayed, I could not imagine coach Kevin McHale starting Lin over Lowry.
The numbers Houston has for Lin seem totally fair to me. There's a big difference between the $1 million one year deal NY is offering vs. the $30 million deal Houston intends to pay for Lin.
Houston is reloading nicely. Not only will they have Jeremy Lin, they also have Jeremy LAMB who I felt was the most NBA ready SG in the 2012 draft. I look forward to seeing those two young stars playing off each other.
The knicksblogger and a couple other I follow, postandtoast think the Knicks will match that. I can't see them doing that especially if they plan on just using JLin as a backup PG. I wonder if this is the only deal he's getting... I still think Dallas and even possibly Toronto may be thinking. Well see.Delete
With Nash, Lin would be a backup PG, but I think he would see enough time at SG to get "starter's minutes."Delete
This is just me spit-balling, but I'm starting to think Woodson's recent dinner with Jeremy, Melo and Tyson was about that very fact:
"Even If we land Nash, you'll still be playing 30mpg. You'll be our super 6th man a la James Harden or Jason Terry."
Now personally, I don't think that's prudent for Lin or the Knicks. But I just don't see 4yr/30M scaring Dolan away. 4yr/40M could do it...but not 30.
houston GM going to twitter for jlin hahaReplyDelete
FYI: Kevin McHale is a BIG fan of Lin as a player and person.Delete
Even pre-Linsanity, McHale complimented Jeremy several times (during the lockout-shortened training camp). McHale also gave him a chance to show what he could do in the final preseason game. No other unsigned guard got to play real minutes that preseason (since it was only 3 games long and Houston had 3 signed PGs on the roster).
Jeremy in Houston (though unlikely) would be totally fine and dandy with me. At least he'd have a coach and GM that believe in him.
(Will July 4th be Jeremy's LINDEPENDENCE DAY???)
I don't mind Jeremy in Houston although I would prefer Dallas. My bigget fear is that the Knicks will match the offer and Lin will be stuck behind Nash for 3 years. Let's face it, even if Lin punks Nash in practice, he's never going to start. Dolan is not trading Shumpert and paying 10m/year to Nash to be a benchwarmer. It's about politics and favoritism, not about who is better or who helps the team more. The Knicks are a treadmill team and badly managed. I just hope Lin can find a way to get out of there.ReplyDelete
The Knicks are super greedy to want both anyway. That's no doubt in my mind that Lin is a starting quality PG and should not come off the bench for anyone. If the Knicks can't offer a starting spot, the sooner Lin leaves, the better.Delete
I'm going to LAUGH if the Knicks lose both Lin and Nash.Delete
Dallas is better than NY, but not necessarily better than Houston. Dallas management doesn't seem to be sagacious in perspective and strategy. They tore down a champion team to clear their cap space in hope to sign D-Will when he becomes FA. Look what they end up with?Delete
Sounds like Nash is going to the Lakers.ReplyDelete
Fun off-season. The talk had been that Suns wouldn't deal with the Lakers due to their rivalry, but there isn't a rivalry right now.Delete
The Lakers, like the Knicks, are in a win-now window while the Suns are rebuilding. By the time the Suns would be contending again, the Bryant era and Nash will be over.
No Nash makes it a lock the Knicks will match on Lin.
Like you said before, the Knicks don't want to pay all that money to Lin because they don't feel he's good enough to live up to a big contract.
Houston's offer will set things in motion. For all we know, another team may swoop in at the last second and rip Lin away from Houston.
The Knicks don't have a choice now.Delete
This is the NBA and teams ALWAYS have choices.Delete
From Jonny Flynn to Goran Dragic, there are available free agent point guards that the Knicks can acquire without trades. Many of these PGs have started for other teams. Most of them are still regarded leaguewide as being better than Jeremy Lin.
Trades like the Nash deal can surprise everyone. Just on June 25, Nash was saying that he wouldn't want to play for the Lakers. And here we are.
I'm not an NBA GM who thinks 60 players in the 2010 draft are better than Jeremy Lin, but I have felt that Lin is the most important free agent point guard in the 2012 offseason. There are teams like Houston and Toronto that are actively shopping for a PG of Lin's caliber. So far, only Houston is smart enough to offer Lin a fair contract.
The Knicks ALWAYS have choices, as does every other team in the NBA.
Haha. Now the Knicks can't get Nash. I sincerely hope Lin's leaving too. Can't stand their disrespect shown towards Lin and their greedy and delusional management and fans and Melo and Amare. I hope they enjoy Toney Douglas at PG. Lol.Delete
I dont know that the Knicks match either..going to be a intresting 10 days to watch. I'm hopeing maybe Mavs step up but I dont know seems like we would hear something about JLin visiting them but from what I've read 2 trips to Houston for him and no where else.Delete
haha! No I think they would sign some retread... sessions and or Kidd, Felton.. none of which impress me in the slightest and are by far a downgrade to JLin.ReplyDelete
Wow. The fact that Nash went with the Lakers prove how horrible of a situation the Knicks are in. I mean playing with ego maniac Kobe is crappy enough, but it seems like NO ONE wants to play with Mela Stat or Woodson. Like how Phil Jackson called them clumsy. And not to mention how evil the management there is. It's a toxic environment for anyone to play there. Look how fast Landry bolted and with Jeremy and Novak next to follow. The only people willin to go to NY now are the crazies like JR Smith or desperate players willing to play for minimum like that guy they just signed from the Italian League.ReplyDelete
I chuckle everytime I reminisce last February during Linsanity, where it felt like Stat or Mela weren't even on the team anymore and it felt like everyone hoped they would just have disappeared LOL though I can understand how hurt Stats ad Melas feeling were. The feeling that no one wants you. Especially with Stat leaving the team when his brother died, but everyone was focused on te Knicks exploding with Jeremy.Delete
Another note I want to point out is how jealous Keith Smart must feel seeing Jeremy get the big contract. Since Coach Dumb failed in his basketball career, he obviously didn't want to see Jeremy succeed. Great job To Jeremy for proving all the haters wrong. He's earned it!Delete
New York is so overrated anyways. With the country's sad economic state, NY is hugely affected. What it has become is a huge ghetto/slum with crappy weather filled with tourist scams. What a craphole. It isn't what it used to be.Delete
Kobe Bryant screwed it up.Delete
He should've pushed Mitch Kupchak to sign Jeremy Lin instead of Nash. Then the Lakers wouldn't be greyhounded by Russell Westbrook and Chris Paul and Tony Parker for the next 3 years. Plus, Lin is younger and cheaper and better (especially defensively) than Steve Nash.
A lineup of Jeremy Lin, Kobe Bryant, Ron Artest, Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum would very hard for even the All NBA 1st Team to play against!
KH, I think your theory sounds great on paper, but when things really get played out, Kobe is just another Mela, only a bit more smarter in terms of creating a team effort. Kobe needs a certain point guard around him. Someone like Fisher at his prime who was relied on to mainly hit shots when needed. Jeremy is a team player that excels when there is no "main guy". He uses EVERYONE and that's why Knicks were successful when Stat or Mela were out. The lakers definitely made a dumb move signing Nash because this automatically puts them in a situation where they will run ou t of juice in the playoffs. It certainly won't get the job done against a lethal Oklahoma City team, who is very team oriented and has a smart and elite leader in Durant.Delete
What the Lakers don't realize is that they could've put one of the NBA's best 4th quarter players in Lin alongside one of the worst 4th quarter players in Bryant.Delete
I suspect that Bryant would've clashed with Lin even though the Lakers would win more with Lin. Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum would be VERY HAPPY to have Lin, especially on defense where Lin would be able to fight over picks and thus prevent pick and pops.
As Bryant ages and the injuries pile up, Lin would've stepped up and taken over the alpha role. Instead, the Lakers will see Nash and Bryant grow old together. They'll make a lovely old couple in 3 years.
I can totally see Gasol and Bynum benefitting from Jeremy's presence and you're right about giving the Lakers a brighter future because Kobe is almost done. After him, who's left? Its funny how Jeremy is still so undervalued even after we saw his ability against top talent and his huge Asian money potential.Delete
Have any of you checked out Houston's 12th pick, Jeremy Lamb? I have to say the management definitely had Jeremy Lin in mind when drafting Lamb. And no not just because of their names. Lamb is an ATHLETE. His speed, agility, and team play style will make a Lin and Lamb duo a deadly one. These guys like to run, move the ball around, and also have the ability to score and slash. I have scouted Jeremy and noticed he plays better with players who easily move around the court. Players like Stat, Mela, and Shumpert were more of half court players. They liked to settle in and beat you one on one. Shumpert had some versatility but he had problems shooting and his knee problems seemed to hinder him, though he showed signs of potential when Jeremy set him up with alley oops and open lanes. But back to lamb, he would work well with Lin because he keeps moving and that lets Lin create more open looks. It's going to be an exciting back court that not many can run with the whole game. That is if Jeremy ends up in Houston.ReplyDelete
If you read earlier in this post, you'll see that I've already written the praises of Jeremy Lamb.Delete
In fact, I wrote here a few weeks ago that Charlotte should've drafted Jeremy Lamb #2 and started him at SG alongside Jeremy Lin. Instead, the far smarter and thus better Houston Rockets did just that.
Jeremy Lamb is a far superior natural shooting guard to anybody Lin has ever played with, and that includes Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry. I love Lamb's game and felt he was the #1 SG in the 2012 draft. And had he been drafted before Anthony Davis, I would not have argued the pick.
Lamb, unlike any other shooting guard in his draft class, has changeup skills and offensive poise. He already knows how to read double teams and use countermoves. I haven't seen him defensively, but he appears to have superb basketball instincts and excellent athleticism. I really don't see any weaknesses in Jeremy Lamb's game and cannot understand why he was drafted so low.
Jeremy Lamb is as good a SG prospect as Jeremy Lin was a PG prospect coming out of Harvard. I look forward to seeing Houston's All-Jeremy backcourt KILLIN' IT.
Sorry KH, I haven't gotten a chance to read your post about Lamb because this is the first time I've come to this site in a while. But it looks like we are on the same page on many aspects. Glad there are people able to use their heads instead of repeating things they've heard from the media or some other mindless drone.Delete
It's good to see you back, Nemo. You kept us entertained during Linsanity.Delete
I couldn't believe Lamb fell that low. I now firmly believe that Lamb's skillz HURT HIM in the eyes of lottery team talent "evaluators". It is almost as if teams say "A guy with skills must have maxxed out his potential, so let's draft a raw athlete and turn him into Larry Bird".
Unfortunately for those lottery teams, the NBA doesn't work like that. Seldom does a player come into the NBA and transform his game. The only time I recall a guy doing that was Michael Redd, and that's because he had Ray Allen tutoring him on the Bucks. Otherwise guys with no skills in college don't acquire them in the NBA, and it doesn't matter what position they play or what school they came from.
I wasn't impressed by Royce White (a less athletic Lamar Odom, and I'm talking about Odom NOW and not when Odom was a springy rookie) or Terrence Jones (another typically super raw UK Calipari overhyped stay in school type). I'd have drafted Andrew Nicholson and Jared Sullinger instead of two players who'll join last year's 1st rounder Marcus Morris in the D league.
Still, Jeremy Lamb alone is a great pick. He'll easily beat out Kevin Martin for the starting SG spot.
As of an hour ago, ESPN's Chris Broussard tweeted that Lin was STILL meeting with Houston.ReplyDelete
With Nash off the table, the Rockets' reported offer of 4yrs/30M won't cut it. The Knicks will definitely match that. IMO, a team has to offer the max 4yrs/40M or Lin stays a Knick.
Hard to say.Delete
I've endured watching the Knicks for decades. Never underestimate their eagerness to kick their best young talent off their team in favor of washed up retreads with bad attitudes.
James Dolan is the Knicks owner. He likes to get players in his own image: rich, spoiled, egomaniac. Lin doesn't fit into Dolan's Knick culture, even if Houston's offer is matched.
I just think the $$ in his eyes will compel Dolan to match 4/30M.Delete
For the record, I just read an intriguing theory on a Rockets fan forum. What if:
1) Morey signs Lin to an offer sheet (e.g. 4yr/32M).
2) Morey then calls Grunwald and offers a S&T involving Lowry (who has already asked for a trade) in exchange for not matching Houston's offer.
3) Lowry is then traded for some combination of the following assets: Harrelson, Jordan, a resigned Novak, a resigned JR Smith, the rights to Kostas Papanikolaou, cash.
4) Houston gets an exciting PG for the long-term future. Knicks get an affordable veteran PG (only 6M for the next 3 years) who will and should defer to Melo and Amare.
The Knicks will not go for that deal. They will do whatever it takes to bring back Jeremy Lin, even if the bidding goes as high as $40 million.Delete
That makes lots of sense. Knicks can't let Jeremy walk for nothing, it would have to be through sign and trade. From the forums, it looks like Rockets fans aren't too thrilled with Linsanity coming to town. They all think he's overrated.Delete
Kyle Lowry isn't nearly as marketable as Linsanity ... a copyrighted word in the dictionary now.Delete
Please don't match NY, Houston loves Lin!!!!ReplyDelete
Ok, so now Dwill and Nash are off the market, that only leaves Goran Dragic and Jeremy Lin, for top PG spots on Dallas, Phoenix, and NY Knicks. Oh yeah and Chris Paul won't sign with the Clippers.ReplyDelete
The important thing to understand about the Knicks is that every player who they acquire that is not a cancerous superstar is expendable.Delete
The real target of the Knicks is Chris Paul. All other guys, including Jeremy Lin, are merely fertilizer for Chris Paul joining the Knicks.
James Dolan will happily exceed the salary cap if he has Chris Paul. Just don't expect Chris Paul to lead the Knicks to more victories than Jeremy Lin can.
Wow regarding Nash. In my opinion, this makes Dallas even more desirable as a destination for Lin, since he would not be a backup to Nash.ReplyDelete
Looks like Houston's offer is in (though not yet reported):ReplyDelete
With Dragic signing with Phoenix, Jeremy should definitely wait on potential offers from Mavs and Raptors. There's no reason to commit to an offer sheet right now unless it's for the max amount.
Apparently, the NY Post is reporting 4yr/31M. Don't see how that gets it done.Delete
Toronto is in desperation mode. Dallas not only missed out on Deron and Nash but lost Terry to Boston. Knicks will be happy to match anything that's not at or near the max.
Even Steve Nash wasn't good enough to please Mark Cuban. What makes you think Lin's production would impress him. It was Donnie Nelson the GM who favored Lin, not the owner.Delete
Because Lin is a smart player who can learn and fit in in order to win. He's not an egomaniac like others areReplyDelete
I hope he end up at Mavs where Kidd is going to tutor im ,so he could go to the next level as an elite PG.ReplyDelete
I hope Lin ends up with the Houston Rockets.ReplyDelete
They were the first team to reach out to him by offering a contract that is 100% fair for a player of his ability.
The other teams, including the Knicks, are turning to Lin as a last last resort. That also means that Lin is the first first guy to be degraded or ejected as soon as a more hyped lesser playing pg becomes available.
If I were Lin, I'd sign the offer sheet with Houston. My guess is that he will do that.