Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Jeremy Receives Multi Year Offer

JLin has received an undisclosed multi year offer from the Houston Rockets and is thinking it over. With Goran Dragic just agreeing to a 4 year 34 million contract with the Phoenix Suns, I would expect the Rockets offer to be between 32-36 million. The Dallas Mavericks and the Toronto Raptors are still in the mix and could come in with higher offers.

Rockets make offer to Jeremy Lin - Yahoo! Sports

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  1. C'mon Dallas, beat the other offers! You've got a seriously aging roster. And with Nash out of the picture, you need a playmaker at PG.

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  2. I'm calling it right now. Jeremy will go to Toronto. Kidd looks like he's staying in Dallas so that's a cross out. The big hint is the Raptors signed Landry. If you followed my track record, ive usually been spot on when it comes to Jeremy predictions. I was even calling that Jeremy won't return to NY right when the Knicks got eliminated from the playoffs, and now it appears I'm right. Houston wants Jeremy but it feels like Toronto would kill to get Jeremy. You heard it here first folks.

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    1. Apparently Toronto isn't too high on him. The fanbase really despises Jeremy as well.(Not the asians who came to see Jeremy when he played there but the REAL fans of the team).

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    2. Toronto has made noise about publicly wanting Houston's former starting PG Kyle Lowry as their new starting PG.

      Kyle Lowry publicly said that he couldn't play for coach Kevin McHale.

      Then again, this is the NBA where the things that come out of people's mouths often don't match what they actually do.

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    3. Most recently Steve Nash and his anti Laker flip flop...... And everything Mike Woodson has ever said about Lin. Lol

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  3. Is Raptor a legit NBA championship contender? Does Jeremy consider only money before accepting any offer? Idk for sure but Rockets and Raptors don't appear to be serious contenders to me. I want to see that Jeremy win NBA championships at least a couple of times and MVP at least once.

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    1. Did you say MVP? Do you mean final MVP or regular season MVP?

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  4. he has some tough decisions to make. millions of dollars, career, legacy are all on the line. i'm sure he will consult with his family and agent and people close to him. he will make the right decision.

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    2. I don't think a few million $ difference in salary would affect his decision. It can be easily made up from endorsements. His career would be the critical factor.

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  5. Jason Kidd is in the twilight of his career. If Lin went to Dallas, even if they start Kidd out of respect, Lin will get more minutes than Kidd. That may not have been the case if Dallas got Nash. Nash does not appear to be declining whatsoever despite his age.

    Per 36 minutes in 2011-12 (vs career average):

    Kidd: 6.9 ast (8.9), 7.8 pts (12.8), 36.3% FG (40.1)
    Nash: 12.2 ast (9.9), 14.2 pts (16.6), 53.2% FG (49.1)

    I agree with janelin17 that Rockets and Raptors do not appear to be championship contenders. Whereas Dallas has Mark Cuban, who is always looking for ways to get his team to the championship.

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    1. If he wants a Championship, then Dallas. If for fame/money then N.Y.

      Toronto is a longshot, but I believe they have the pieces to be a playoff contender next season. They are deep but lack any starpower.

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    2. It's all hypothetical now, but if Nash had started at PG, I believe Lin's MPG would have been higher than Nash's MPG, either as a 3rd guard or starting with Nash.

      Nash is productive, but his MPG - which was carefully monitored by the Suns - has been going down - 31 MPG last season. It ain't going up - Nash is being hired for the post-season, not the regular season. I predict 28-30 MPG for Nash next season, plus scheduled games off during the regular season.

      Just backing up Nash, Lin would have had 18-20 MPG at PG, plus starter's minutes whenever Nash took off a game. Knicks are also thin at SG. Nash and Lin would have been the Knicks' 2 best guards and Lin is an elite scorer, which makes for a good argument that Lin would have started with Nash. I believe, though, based on Woodson's defensive emphasis and Nash's defensive weakness, Woodson would have started a traditional SG for defense (eg, Sefolosha/Stevenson type). Then used Lin to spell and play with Nash. 15-20 MPG available for Lin at SG is reasonable, maybe even conservative.

      So with Nash starting and Lin as a 3rd guard, that's 33-40 available MPG for Lin. For Lin as a starter next season, 33-35 MPG is a reasonable target.

      The larger controversy for Lin with Nash would not have been Lin's MPG. It would have been, who finishes the game - Nash or Lin? Or would Woodson have been smart enough to ensure his clutch 3rd guard would be on the floor in close games, with or without Nash, like Ginobili with the Spurs?

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  6. I just so badly want Jeremy to screw up the Knicks, leaving them with zero PG after their mis-treatment of him. Haha. No matter where Jeremy goes, I will support him regardless. And I trust him to make a good decision. I hope he makes a formal request to the Knicks not to match his offer sheet wherever he goes. That would be so damn hilarious!

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    1. I'm also for Lin leaving NY as it seems the Knicks don't really need a good PG in their system.
      But does anyone know whether Lin really wants? Who knows, he could have been "seduced" by the limelight and celebrity there.

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    3. Actually, the Knicks have a higher need for an elite floor-general PG to manage the "clumsy" fitting roster, as Phil Jackson called it.

      The Lakers are also a win-now team with a clumsy fitting roster. The Lakers were snake-bit in the play-offs relying on a promising but unproven-in-the-post-season PG, Ramon Sessions. Now the Lakers have the play-off-proven floor general that the Knicks wanted for insurance for their promising PG.

      For Lin, the Knicks offer an ideal developmental situation. The Knicks' greater need for a floor-general PG will pressure Lin to improve his floor general skills. The Knicks aren't on the Heat's level, but should earn a high seed and reach the 2nd round, with a good shot at the ECF. That means winning, high-quality regular-season basketball and solid post-season experience for Lin, which may have to wait a few years if he joins a rebuilding team now.

      Long-term, I can't claim the Knicks are the team for Lin. That said, the Big 3 are off the books in 3 years, which could coincide with the team rebuilding around a then-veteran Lin. Short-term, the Knicks are good for Lin's development.

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    4. I agree they need an elite PG, but Lin is not that guy. Not to say that Lin isn't damn good..... Just Those cancers out in NYC need a elite veteran PG who has been around. Someone that when the cancers start bitching.... Win or lose..... (we all remember their stars pouting while Lin was winning it for them) has the balls/credentials to say, "hey stfu up and get in the game, I didn't pass to you cuz you're stinking it up, play some damn defense and contribute......" Without Melo laughing in his face.

      I don't think Lin, one year removed from his waiver wire draft reject 700k status, is that guy.


      On a side note, the Knicks' superstars, two max contract players and current Defensive Player of the Year.... Should be shouldering almost all the blame for the Knicks not doing squat and going nowhere. Not Lin.

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    5. You ID'd 1 of 2 major reasons the Knicks wanted Nash: his stature, cachet, juice, respect, whatever you want to call it. The other reason is Nash's play-off resume. His .532 FG% and 10.7 APG last season didn't hurt, either.

      Nash comes with the stature to put Anthony and Stoudemire in their places. Bryant, quite possibly the biggest ego in the NBA, lobbied for Nash so Nash can put him, Gasol, Bynum, Artest, and the rest in their places.

      That's why the Knicks will be good for Lin's development as a floor general and team leader. The Knicks very much need their PG to lead. They may not yet respect Lin as they respect Nash now, but the role is there to be filled and Lin will be the one to fill it. Or not.

      If Lin has the necessary talent, leadership potential, character - and ambition - to take ownership of the PG role on a PG-dependent veteran win-now team on the biggest stage, then the Knicks are the right situation for Lin. The win-now Knicks will challenge Lin to be great sooner rather than later. I believe Lin has the right stuff to become great.

      If the win-now Knicks fail, Lin will draw a share of the blame as the starting PG and primary ball-handler. But that would be the case anywhere, and it would be worse on a team that gave him Linsanity-type centerpiece responsibilities at PG. If Lin wanted to avoid that kind of scrutiny, then he should have entered the NBA as a Delonte West-type SG/combo, which he's fully capable of being.

      The difference for Lin as the Knicks PG is that Woodson's more-structured system and the team's veterans should relieve pressure from Lin while he improves his PG game. Symbiosis, right? At some point in Lin's development, Woodson's system may become restrictive for Lin, but for now, the balance works.

      For the public, Knicks fans don't expect Lin to be a superstar, not yet. They know he's not Nash, not yet. As long as Lin does his job no worse than average, and most importantly without choking in the play-offs, Knicks fans will direct the harshest blame to Anthony and Stoudemire for the team's failure.

      In 2013-14, the expectations for Lin will be raised, as they should.

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    6. Add: If Lin misses the post-season again with what appears to be a chronic condition, Knicks fans will not be happy. Hopefully, Woodson and his system will put less strain on Lin than D'Antoni did.

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    7. Update: The Knicks add Kidd who has NBA elder-statesman stature like Nash, but I suspect that, unlike Nash, Kidd's gas tank is running on fumes. Hopefully, I'm wrong about Kidd because Kidd's game and Lin's game would complement each other very well.

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  7. Even if Knicks match the offer, Lin should only sign for one year contract and become a free agent next year and leave New york as soon as possible. It has proven that New York does not appreciate him, nor value him, nor respect him at all based on the following facts: 1) His beloved coach D’Antoni is gone; 2) After Melo and Amare came back, Lin cannot fit them; 3) Woodson, the new coach, originally did not want to start him as the PG; 4) The Knicks chasing Nash first without making any offer to Lin obviously demonstrate that they think Lin is not good enough; 5) There are too many haters in New York and Lin is always suspected as an average or below average player only. Either Houston or Toronto has a more friendly environment for Lin. At Houston, Yao Ming will transfer his previous network to Lin; and at Toronto, Landry Fields has been preparing a golden couch to welcome him. In New York, from Dolan, to Woodson, to Amare, to the haters… the environment is always hostile and disrespectful to Lin!

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    1. Lin should not take an one-year offer. He needs to look out for himself and his family. What he should do is to tell the Knicks not to match the offer and if the Knicks insist on matching, he should put a trade request immediately when the season begins and tell them which team he wants to go Dwight Howard style.

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    2. As much as I would hate Lin getting labeled as a cancer..... I agree that may be the best thing for him to do.

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    3. Lin could sign the 1-year 1 mil qualifying offer that made him a restricted free agent. It would be a tremendous gamble for Lin to take, but I also think 1-2 seasons is enough time for Lin to gain the developmental benefit from playing for the Knicks and become ready to be the centerpiece of his own team.

      Consideration: Larry Coon's CBA FAQ seems to imply that if Lin signed the 1 year qualifying offer now, he would again be a restricted free agent next season because he would only be a 3-year veteran, thus placing him in the same situation as now. I don't know how signing a 1-year qualifying offer plays into Bird rights and the Gilbert Arenas provision, though. An interesting question for a capologist.

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  8. You are right on the spot. Unfortunately KNICKS hold the option to retaim Lin with thw team if they want to match the offer sheet by other teams. It is going to be obstacles for Lin to overcome if he remains with Knicks; Melo got to be more proactive on the court, Amare.has to overcome all negativity he showcase last season and of course Woodson has to be accountable to bring the team together as one, if the Knicks seriously thinking of the Championship trophy next season.

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  9. You are right on the spot. Unfortunately KNICKS hold the option to retaim Lin with thw team if they want to match the offer sheet by other teams. It is going to be obstacles for Lin to overcome if he remains with Knicks; Melo got to be more proactive on the court, Amare.has to overcome all negativity he showcase last season and of course Woodson has to be accountable to bring the team together as one, if the Knicks seriously thinking of the Championship trophy next season.

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  10. NY is a big place, he'll have as much haters as he does fans. There's still plenty of fans who appreciate Lin and want him back on the team. Over in Toronto, sure he'll gets lot of Asian fans, but there's also a lot of non-Asian Raptors fans that will resent the fact that so many Asians only started watching the team because of Lin. Same with Houston.

    If everything mentioned from coach to media to fans to owner not appreciating Lin is really a concern, I think the best situation would be Dallas. He would still have a great teammate in Dirk Nowitzki. Rick Carlisle will know how to use Lin. If Jason Kidd returns, he would be a great mentor for Lin either there or in NY. Then of course Mark Cuban being a business man would try to put Lin in the best situation he can.

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    1. Also Dallas was the first team to give Lin a chance during the summer league. Donnie Nelson really liked him, so it would be full circle for Lin to return to the Mavs.

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    2. Lin's combo-guard game is tailor-made for playing with Kidd, but I don't know how much Kidd has left in the tank.

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  11. So did he go to the Rockets or not??? Where can I get actual resources instead of just gossip from sports writer?? This is irritating as hell...

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  12. Well no player can officially sign until July 11th. The reports are that he met with Houston and got an offer. Even if he signs (which can't be until July 11), the Knicks still have the right to match.

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  13. A team from nowhere can suddenly decide that Lin is worth the fully backloaded $40 million and outbid everybody to get him.

    Thanks to the Houston Rockets, the worst Lin can do is collect $30 million by the end of his 3rd year since the 4th year is a team option.

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    1. I've read 4/30 with the 4th year as a player's option - roughly 5/5/10/(10). Lin can't get 3/30 or 5/5/20.

      If the 4th year is a team option, the Knicks would match and thank the Rockets. A player's option is less favorable to the Knicks, but the Knicks would likely match 4/30 in any configuration (PO, TO, guaranteed).

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  14. Knicks have no point guard option now so they will pay him whatever it takes. Luxury tax - they don't really care, they have the money. If they don't sign him it will be a disaster with the fans and also for the team. There are no point guards left out there worth signing and they don't have one on their roster. There is absolutely zero chance he won't be a Knick.

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  15. Lin is an idiot if he doesn't sign this offer sheet. Could he get more money from someplace else? Maybe, but probably not. It looks like the market is drying up somewhat. This is a really good offer. Toronto supposedly isn't sold on him. Dallas is looking for something cheaper. And that's all that left.

    That clown Jared Zwerling just sent out a tweet that Lin might not sign because he wants to come back to NY. Who the hell is advising the kid? Didn't he go to Harvard? He can't possibly be this stupid, right? Supposedly Fields might not sign Toronto's offer sheet because he wants to come back to NY, also. What an idiot, as well, if true.

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    1. Rumor has it that your idiot too. Do you believe it?

      Just hold onto your horses...the dust will settle shortly. During negotiations, a lot crap flies around. It's best to wait till you hear it from horses mouth. No need to get all wound up...our JLin has already robbed bank.

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    2. Zwerling said that? That doesn't sound right. Doesn't he know the Knicks expect to match an offer? Hard for the Knicks to match an offer that Lin doesn't sign. I've read that the Knicks can match a big backloaded offer, but they can't offer Lin higher than 4/24, so if the Knicks wanted to pay Lin more than that (I'm not saying they're that generous), the only way they could is by matching. I don't understand the CBA well enough to explain why that is (something to do with the non-taxpayer MLE, I think), but that's what the media is reporting.

      Fields should take the money from the Raptors.

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  16. Signing with the ROckets is the best thing to happen to Lin if he does...He's far and away from the media circus/fan base/ he could be the front and center of a very young and fresh team who needs that leadership and IQ... Come on Lin do it!!!!

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    1. where is the official statement?

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  18. Lin has a good agent. The Rocket offer isn’t going anywhere and I believe there are other franchises in the background we don't know about. Did anyone see the Nash trade happening...not until it was a done deal. I'm not surprised he didn’t sign it right away. Also Jared Zwerling is a toad I don’t pay attention to him. I'm less convinced of the Mavericks because apparently there going for Kidd and Sessions...I'm not a fan of either so if that’s their direction good luck. Well see there's something going on behind the scene.

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    1. Rumors ain't facts, that's for darn sure. Still fun, though.

      Sessions to Mavs? Hm. Mavs may be keeping their powder dry to make a play for Howard and/or Paul.

      Lowry to the Raptors is being reported, which surprises me - I thought they'd go after Lin when they lost Nash. I think they can afford Lin and Lowry (and Calderon?), though.

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  19. Knicks should've considered Rudy Fernandez.

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    1. Rudy Fernandez was like Landry Fields ... minus 30 lbs, and without the defense, rebounding, hustle, etc.

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  20. Toronto is likely out of the running for JLin.
    Raptors close to deal for Kyle Lowry

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8132460/toronto-raptors-close-deal-houston-rockets-kyle-lowry-sources-say

    JLin will definetly start at Houston no question they are going all in. I like that.

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    1. Landry Fields was a chump to sign Toronto's offer sheet. They used him to try to get Steve Nash. But give them credit, they have a savvy front office who are making moves for quality pieces.

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    2. The Knicks were going to pay Fields $3 million for one year.

      The Raptors offered Fields $7 million a year for 3 years.

      $3 million < $21 million

      Do you still think Fields is a "chump?"

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    3. Fields banked. I believe Fields had the same Bird/GAP structure as Lin, though, meaning his contract is backloaded around 5/5/10. 7 mil per for calculating the Raptors' salary cap, though.

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    4. LOL, Landry Fields got paid. Stanford - DONE.

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  21. Looks to me like Nash played the Knicks and possibly the Raptors like a shark while maneuvering his way onto the team he wanted all along.

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