And the NY Daily News has an article suggesting that the Knicks may need to mend fences with JLin. Interesting stuff here:
I'm not sure I'm buying what the article is saying. Lin knows full well ow the business of the league works. And I wonder who the "source" is. Are the Knicks simply spreading some info because they're getting the sense that JLin may go to the Rockets and they want a cover?However, this is a sign to some NBA observers that Lin’s sudden stardom has clouded his thinking. His rise to fame came only after the Knicks gave him the ball. He enjoyed a breakthrough season at the Garden and was the NBA’s hottest story for several weeks, until he suffered a late-season knee injury. As soon as he got the Rockets’ offer, the Knicks told Lin they would match it.
“What he has to learn is that it’s not personal,’’ said the source. “The Knicks merely played by the rules.’’
Other interesting links this morning:
- The NY Post says the Knicks will finalize a deal with Lin today.
- Steve Popper on the story that the Knicks, focusing on Lin, will not sign Fields in light of the offers to Novak and Smith.
Go Chris Paul 2013!!!
ReplyDeleteurk.
That article did an absolute hatchet job on Lin, bashing his maturity, character and intelligence. It was simply amazing. And it did come from the Knicks to suit their purposes. Organizations deal with their players through the press by leaking nonsense like this all the time. Players and their agents know where nonsense like this comes from. So, even if Lin didn't have a problem with the Knicks front office, he has one now.
ReplyDeleteBut as to their motivation being "Are the Knicks simply spreading some info because they're getting the sense that JLin may go to the Rockets and they want a cover?" ... Lin can't go to the Rockets unless the Knicks allow him to. So it wouldn't be "getting the sense that he may go" as much as "they have already decided to send him there and want to publicly justify it."
That would explain A) the Rockets decision to let Lowry and Dragic walk and B) the terms of Lin's offer sheet. So if there is some backroom dealing going on it greatly benefits the Rockets, especially if the Camby trade is thrown in (where the Rockets got players in return for a 38 year old unrestricted free agent that they otherwise would have lost for nothing, and probably didn't want for anything).
But how does it benefit the Knicks? Without Lin, the Knicks don't have a starting PG, and they don't have much of a backup PG either. And at SG, all they have is J.R. Smith - who is more of a swingman - and Shumpert, who won't be back until January. Even if they match Landry Fields' offer sheet, he is another swingman like Smith, not a combo guard or even a true SG. So, if they trade Lin to the Rockets, the only guys on the team that are even plausible for handling the ball and running the offense on a regular basis are either 39 years old or a 2nd year non-lottery pick coming off a severe knee injury.
And the Knicks have no way to replace Lin because of their cap situation. Even if they were to trade him for a guy with a smaller contract, it would harm them under the cap because the exception only applies to Lin, not whoever they trade for. So, where Lin's $10 million the next 2 years won't cause any luxury tax issues, trading for a guy who makes half that would.
So basically, by leaking this nonsense, the Knicks are bashing a guy who they need more than he needs them. Restating: the Knicks need Lin more than Lin needs the Knicks right now - a lot more - and they handle the situation by painting him as a diva. Makes absolutely no sense at all.
As you say, it makes no sense for the Knicks to badmouth Lin. So why do you then believe the Knicks are the "league source"? A league source that's quoted referring to the Knicks as "they" no less.
Delete"A league source that's quoted referring to the Knicks as "they" no less."
Delete- As opposed to...what?
KHuang:
ReplyDeleteIf the Knicks get Chris Paul in 2013, it would be for the purposes of forming a Paul-Lin backcourt, which incidentally is what everyone insists that D'Antoni had in mind when he was trying to trade for Deron Williams.
Oh, so you have ESP?
DeleteI possess no more ESP than the people who keep insisting that D'Antoni trading Melo for Deron Williams would have been good for Lin do.
DeleteChris Paul may want to come to New York, and Melo may want Paul in New York, but I don't see a bit of evidence where accommodating their desires benefits either the Clippers or Nets. Other than Lin, the Knicks don't have anyone that really makes the Clippers better, or enough better to justify the salaries that Clippers would pick up. And as for the Knicks, it would take more than Paul and Melo to win a championship. And how much better is Paul than Lin anyway? The Knicks would be crazy to let their $28 million dollar man walk before they find out. Lin may well be as good or almost as good as Paul for much less money.
The Knicks have done pretty good recently, building a playoff team in 2010 and getting back to the playoffs despite being riddled with injuries and controversy in 2011. I don't think they'd be dumb - for lack of a better term - enough to throw that away just because Paul wants to come to New York and Melo supports it.
Then not only do you not have ESP, you don't know the Knicks either.
DeleteWow.... Lin to Clippers. Lin/_Griffin, I could see Assist and dunks all day.
DeleteKHuang completely disagree with this Lin/CP3 back court nonsense.
DeleteWhy would you want that or even consider the notion, when you know CP3 would take alot of JLin playing time....WHICH IS AGAINST JLIN's GROWTH TO BECOMING A SUPERSTAR AND THE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF HIS SKILL.
Lin is a starter period and is worthy of that title.
I really hope the Knicks do not match so JLin can thrive with Houston without the many distractions in NY. ISO MElo will never work regardless of what ppl say that Melo is considering deferring to other's. Its laughable that it took 10 yrs for Melo to "consider" doing this now. Also, Amare's back worries me some and his knees aren't getting any better. JKidd LOL really the guy is how old? The same with Nash LOL he is 38 and now the Lakers are a championship contender.
Anyways, lets say they pursue CP3 next yr, I can assure you the Knicks will trade JLin...so either way JLin days with the Knicks are numbered
You're calling out the wrong guy, Verbal Xpressions.
DeleteUnknown is the one calling for a Paul- Lin backcourt, not me. I even went so far to post on another topic that Lin would likely be traded for Paul.
I agree with everything you wrote except calling me out. Substitute my name with "unknown" and you'd have the right guy.
LOL My apologies KHuang I got the wrong guy
DeleteUnknown: "The Knicks would be crazy to let their $28 million dollar man walk before they find out."
DeleteBy the time this trade would happen, Lin will have a full regular season and post-season to review. It's conceivable he'll be established as enough of a rising (cheaper, younger) star after next season so the Clippers would want him as the main piece for Paul, but not yet a big enough star where the Knicks would reject trading him for Paul.
Matching contracts would be tricky. Paul is aiming for 5/108. Basketball-wise, the Clippers are committed to Griffin and Jordan, so Chandler and Stoudemire won't be attractive for them. We assume a prereq for Paul coming to the Knicks would be Anthony staying, so they wouldn't be traded for each other, but stranger things have happened. Not easy coming up with a plausible scenario with Paul coming to the Knicks without Anthony, though.
It would have to be some sort of elaborate 3 team trade that sends Lin to the Clippers for Chris Paul. But it would have to involve more players, and NY getting rid of Amare, which only works if when he is in his final year as an expiring contract. That won't happen until 2015-16 season.
DeleteJust like the Nets after they sign Brook Lopez, the Knicks don't have any cap room to make anymore blockbuster trades for the foreseeable future.
These basketball writers are talking about way in the future stuff, which may not happen given how the NBA is constantly evolving.
Another neg. To keep him in line [& manage backlash from fans when he doesn't start.]
ReplyDeleteThe Knicks have no choice but to start Lin. 39 year old Jason Kidd is no longer a starter in the NBA, and isn't even much of a backup. If the Knicks wanted a starting PG in free agency, there were better options than Kidd available.
Deletevia, "to keep him in line" - because Lin has a history as a troublemaker for the Knicks or any team in his entire basketball history?
DeleteUnknown, Kidd clearly isn't going to play over Lin, but there is an argument for Kidd starting games. Not because he's better than Lin, but because Kidd's game has shrunk. His remaining viable skills - spacing, entry passes, conducting the offense, outlet 3 - would be more useful with the starting unit than with the 2nd unit, which needs the PG to create scores and make plays, skills that are no longer Kidd strengths.
So, I can see Kidd starting to set the tone, then Lin taking over. But if Kidd starts, I think it's likely Lin will start, too. Kidd can't defend PGs anymore, so he'll need to x-match with a guard who defends PGs. On offense, Kidd doesn't penetrate, cut, move off the ball, create, make plays, score (except for his outlet 3s), and run the break, so the guard next to Kidd has to pick up a lot of the things a PG normally would do. I doubt the PG post-up will be used much in the Knicks offense (unfortunate, because I believe Lin could post-up well). I'm not sure Kidd even runs the pick-and-roll anymore. Last season, even Kidd's ball-handling, once masterful, was suspect at times.
Whatever Kidd has left in the tank needs to be carefully rationed for the play-offs.
Unknown:
DeleteYeah, they'd be forced again to use JLin, Kidd won't keep up. However Kidd's out there talking like he's def starting. And closing. Who knows wth they got planned down there at the FO.
Eric:
"because Lin has a history as a troublemaker for the Knicks or any team in his entire basketball history?"
- To keep him in line/ be grateful. You know JLin wasn't exactly enthused by the contract, right? JLin tried to get more [this contract is essentially 3/19.] Say what you will about MJ/ Lebron contractual precedents, apparently he believed [as do I] he's worth more. He knows the value he brings to any franchise. [The Lins got Tanner bec they were dissatisfied with how Montgomery was handling endorsement negotiations. Just to dispell all this "he should be grateful, look at other harvard grads/ sophomores/ etc. who brings nothing to the table compared to him.]
He was not happy with that TO. It came to a pt in the negotiations Rockets threatened to pull the offer, before he'd agree.
Nyk's wants to put him in his place. They did that to Melo too, after D'Antoni left. It's their way.
Oh, & I'm not implying JLin will pull crap on the Nyx bec he wanted more. He'll do as he always do, give 100% obviously, bec that's how he is. Still, Nyx sends a message.
DeleteObvious smear campaign is obvious.
ReplyDeleteYep. But to what end? It won't change the fact that Lin will be their starting PG. It won't change the fact that Melo and Woodson need to alter their iso approach to make all the pieces (not just Lin, Melo and Stoudemire, but also Smith, Chandler, Novak etc.) fit. And calling him a diva works against his marketability. Makes no sense at all.
Delete"Yep. But to what end?"
DeleteLin = Vito Corleone
Mitch Lawrence = Virgil Sollozzo
Knicks Management = Philip Tattaglia
Daryl Morey = Barzini
It was Barzini all along.
achondroplasiaphobia, if you want to do a Godfather analogy, you realize that there's now another NBA team in town up for the role of the Five Families, right?
DeleteIt continues to strike me odd that some Lin fans equate anti-Knicks with pro-Lin and believe the Knicks want to sabotage Lin on the court or in public, despite that the Knicks need him on the court and they profit from his public image.
Who are those fans, Eric?
DeleteIf you're gonna flame people, be a good little flameboy and CALL THEM OUT.
cricket, cricket.
Deletecricket, cricket.
Jeremy Lin is little more than a pawn caught in the crossfire of a power struggle between NYC's rich and powerful.
Deletehttp://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2012/04/02/tabloid-tangle-jim-dolan-accuses-mort-zuckerman-of-extortion/
In other words, take with a grain of salt anything written by the New York Daily News if it's about Lin, or the Knicks in general.
A direct fight with the NYDN is one that Lin simply can't win, as they're just too powerful. Lin needs to just ignore the media trolls and keep grinding, keep working on his game, and let the chips fall where they may. There's not much else he can do.
So Morey isn't Barzini, the NYDN itself is Barzini.
Good find. Crazy stuff.
DeleteMore:
Deletehttp://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/mort_al_enemies_gIQCTQ1uJftraEqJ0rESNO
If NYDN writes anything about the Knicks, it's probably a lie.
Let me rephrase that. Knicks/Lin articles written by NYDN wouldn't necessarily be full of lies, but they are probably written with a (not-so) hidden agenda, that agenda being to troll Dolan.
DeleteCrazy!
So let's revise the Godfather analogy. :)
DeleteJames Dolan = Jack Woltz
Mitch Lawrence = Luca Brasi
Mort Zuckerman = Vito Corleone
Jeremy Lin = Khartoum the Champion racehorse
:D
Eric:
Delete"It continues to strike me odd that some Lin fans equate anti-Knicks with pro-Lin"
- No one thinks anti-Knicks = pro-Lin. We are anti everything anti-Lin tho. If the Nyk might be doing stupid crap that hurts JLin in the process, we'll be anti that. Tbh, I don't a f about the Nyk enough to be anti them. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE NYK, IT'S ABOUT JLIN.
"believe the Knicks want to sabotage Lin on the court or in public, despite that the Knicks need him on the court and they profit from his public image."
- Why would they want to sabotage JLin, you need to stop engaging in false dialectics. What they want is to use him accdg to their self-interest [of course!
] & when it conflicts with JLin's own interest, they steamroll him. The point is what benefits them, & if JLin gets thrown under the bus in the process, oops.
achondroplasiaphobia:
But isn't this particular story favorable to Dolan though? It portrays the Nyx as doing nothing wrong, it's JLin looking like a tool.
^ Amend: Tbh, I don't give a f about the Nyk enough to be anti them.
Delete"achondroplasiaphobia:
DeleteBut isn't this particular story favorable to Dolan though? It portrays the Nyx as doing nothing wrong, it's JLin looking like a tool."
If that NY Daily News story is favorable to Dolan, it's superficial. The story is an obvious, calculated attempt to sow discord within the Knicks organization by portraying Lin as upset with the Knicks, to turn Lin against Dolan, and vice-versa. It's very Machiavellian.
The NY Daily News is well aware that if the Knicks lost Lin to Houston, it would hurt the Knicks. I mean, a declining 35 year old Kidd as your starting PG? Really?
Oops, Kidd isn't 35. He's 39 for chrissake!
DeleteZuckerman went so far as to tell Dolan during a March 6 encounter at the Four Seasons Restaurant in Manhattan that “‘the bad press would end if we became joint owners’ (a direct quote),” according to Dolan’s statement.
Deletehttp://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/mort_al_enemies_gIQCTQ1uJftraEqJ0rESNO#ixzz20Q7z7wyd
Dolan refused to yield to Zuckerman, so Zuckerman (owner of the NY Daily News) will continue to give the Knicks bad press whenever they have an opportunity to do so.
achondroplasiaphobia:
DeleteI can buy the 'sowing discord' part. But JLin can't be 'lost to Houston.' He's a Nyx, whether he likes it or not.
"Of course, the Knicks could've thrown four years and $24.5 million at their man out of the gate, but chose to let the market dictate their eventual terms of engagement. If that stance didn't anger Lin, it did make him wonder if the Knicks thought more of his off-court appeal than his on-court game.
DeleteLin was confused by the Knicks' radio silence, according to a source. From afar Lin watched the Knicks chase after Nash like schoolgirls chase after Justin Bieber, and he watched them land Kidd on the rebound. He was hearing some noise about Felton, who also looked like another Nash under D'Antoni before returning to form in Denver and Portland.
Alone with his thoughts, Lin had to be asking himself a lot of questions. Were the Knicks recruiting Nash as the full-time, no-questions-asked starter? Do they think Kidd still has enough in his legs to pose a Tebow-like threat to the first-stringer? Do they believe somehow, some way, they're going to end up with Chris Paul this time next year?"
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8133974/new-york-knicks-bring-back-jeremy-lin-championship-hopes-rest-shoulders
Ian O'Connor came out with this on July 5, 2012
Mitch Lawrence picked it up July 10, 2012, & put a spin on it.
achondroplasiaphobia, from what I've seen in media and blogs, you're the only one who made the connection between the feud exposed over the April NYDN articles and yesterday's NYDN article. Once the back story is exposed, the two episodes clearly follow the same theme.
DeleteAt best, other Lin and Knicks defenders have dismissed the story as a sensationalist muck-raking tabloid acting true to nature, without digging for a cause or motive. Even Lin's tweet, which capped the episode, is a denial, not an explanation.
Again, good find. You did a better job than any mainstream sports media or high-profile blogger with the story.
Thanks, Eric. :)
DeleteBut I can't take credit for this. Someone on the knicksonline.com forums posted the link to the Dolan-Zuckerman feud. I just wanted to help spread the word. :)
Whether is true or not, I have faith in JLIN to perform within his ability to help the team he sign on to win games. Unless the statement came from JLIN himself, I just assume it was the so call reporter that put those words in his mouth. Is just another smear tactic to sell newspaper. I remember what JLIN once said in a interview that he try to read too much new report about himself. In another TV interview when he was in Taiwan, he mentioned he doesn't care what people say about him, he just want to play basketball.
ReplyDeleteWhether is true or not, I have faith in JLIN to perform within his ability to help the team he sign on to win games. Unless the statement came from JLIN himself, I just assume it was the so call reporter that put those words in his mouth. Is just another smear tactic to sell newspaper. I remember what JLIN once said in a interview that he try to read too much new report about himself. In another TV interview when he was in Taiwan, he mentioned he doesn't care what people say about him, he just want to play basketball.
ReplyDeleteWhether is true or not, I have faith in JLIN to perform within his ability to help the team he sign on to win games. Unless the statement came from JLIN himself, I just assume it was the so call reporter that put those words in his mouth. Is just another smear tactic to sell newspaper. I remember what JLIN once said in a interview that he try to read too much new report about himself. In another TV interview when he was in Taiwan, he mentioned he doesn't care what people say about him, he just want to play basketball.
ReplyDeleteWhether is true or not, I have faith in JLIN to perform within his ability to help the team he sign on to win games. Unless the statement came from JLIN himself, I just assume it was the so call reporter that put those words in his mouth. Is just another smear tactic to sell newspaper. I remember what JLIN once said in a interview that he try to read too much new report about himself. In another TV interview when he was in Taiwan, he mentioned he doesn't care what people say about him, he just want to play basketball.
ReplyDelete@ Michelle Wong,
ReplyDelete4 times???? We get the message man!!!!!!
best thing Jeremy can do now is be a professional and just say the right things and pretend all is well and go out and work hard and play his game. Nothing to gain by speaking to media or complaining about anything. Interesting Carmelo didn't have anything positive to say about possibly resigning in NY. Jeremy will get paid and he will be in the Big Apple ....whether they win or not it will be very exciting and it will be dramatic entertainment....can't wait.
ReplyDeleteHe'll have to take the high road, what else can he do. This is just the beginning. Smh.
DeleteYou have to understand that some news outlets in New York are owned my the Knicks parent company MSG. Some newspapers are owned ny rivals of MSG who want to attack them and their market share.
ReplyDeleteDon't believe everything you read in the news, there's always some sort of bias or agenda going on. Companies using the media to manipulate stocks, corporate mergers, etc. Linsanity itself was created in part to force Time Warner to broadcast MSG owned team games., and to ward off a merger from another company.
Maybe the Nets, who want to grab NYC market share from the Knicks and whose owner may be less than scrupulous as a businessman, are the "league source".
DeleteTake everything you read in the newspapers or see in the media in general with a large boulder of salt.
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ReplyDeletehe just tweeted "Lol why do u guys believe everything? No quotes from me = probably not true"
DeleteHe heard you TVN....lol.
Bottom Line, Jeremy will be the started in NY. Jason Kidd cannot keep up with 23 year old and Lin will kill him in practice like he killed Baron Davis. Lin abused Kidd last year in games so it will be obvious Lin will start and FINISH games right off the bat...unless, big if, Melo complains about LIn getting too many touches and shots and starts tanking his game to lobby for Kidd to start...you never know.
ReplyDeleteThey already filled out the roster for the select team. There's no more spaces in the roster. Lin said he was going to go to Las Vegas to watch the practices and try to learn something. Obviously its not as good as playing, but he can learn something.
ReplyDeleteBTW, I blame knicks management for dragging on his contract situation. They already resolved his bird rights, so he should have gotten a contract immediately. Lin's agents were playing nice guy, not shopping around with other teams... Making Grunwald think he doesn't have any other options.
The Knicks don't want to pay Lin, and that's why he's still not signed.
ReplyDeleteBy the time Lin is signed, the Select Team will be done practicing and the Olympic Team would probably be unloading luggage in London.
Jeremy Lin is going to TEAR PEOPLE UP next season. That should increase his trade value.
Yeah, I thought that his agent could have done a better job putting pressure on the Knicks by flirting with other teams the way Deron Williams and Steve Nash did, to get a better contract sooner. That being said, I thought it was premature for Lin to drop out of the Select Team so early when they hadn't even started to select the roster yet.
ReplyDeleteA lot of things weren't handled correctly this offseason, but hopefully they'll make up for it by winning more games this year.
I'm sure that Lin's agent went around the league, just like other agents do.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, most people in the league still think Lin is not good enough to play in the NBA. So they won't make offers.
When a team like NY says that they'll match, that isn't necessarily so. Only Houston saw Lin as a prized asset, though NY will too if they keep Lin.
No amount of agenting can make an NBA team offer a contract to a player like Lin they think isn't good enough to play in the NBA.
Big grain of salt on this one, folks. The basis is a "league source", not even the all-purpose 'team source' or 'source close to Lin' - a "league source" that refers to the Knicks in the 3rd person "they". That 'league source' is then the basis for an opinion from some "NBA observers".
ReplyDeleteThis article doesn't even work as controversy until 'a league source said' is dropped so the story becomes a direct 'Lin feels that'.
Unknown very well explained the counter-argument for the Knicks being behind this. What benefit could the Knicks hope to get from characterizing Lin as a prima-donna crybaby ... unless they really aren't matching the Rockets offer?
The terms of the contract are set, by another team no less, with relatively palatable terms, so it can't be a negotiation ploy. Moreso after Nash fell through and the Knicks signed Kidd, the Knicks need Lin. Then, for those Lin fans who believe the Knicks only want Lin for his added marketing value, smearing Lin's image is the wrong way to boost his marketing value for the franchise.
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Delete"Then, for those Lin fans who believe the Knicks only want Lin for his added marketing value, smearing Lin's image is the wrong way to boost his marketing value for the franchise."
Delete- Didn't they get Melo, to fill seats? For marketing? & yet the FO had Breen eviscerate him in MSG, just tear him down, when D'Antoni left. If they were doing that 'to hold him accountable,' isn't that practically admitting he did indeed 'kill' the coach [how? by tanking games/ not-cooperating] This would be bad for image/ marketing, & THEY STILL DID IT. They sent him a message.
- or How about the play-offs. They knew the possibility of JLin coming back to the games is nil, but they featured them heavily in their play-off vid, their tickets, their daily updated [they continued to stoke the fans hopes.] "The doctors, & the owners" told JLin he's not recovered enough to play, JLin slipped on 85%, he was getting torn-apart for failing expectations, oooh bad image, but the FO was radio silent, he was hung out to dry. What's more, Woodson went as far as to imply JLin is soft, has no heart, since meniscus tears isn't that insurmountable & he knew players who played through them. Oooh bad image, the Nyx wouldn't allow that, would they? They did.
- so, were they trying to use public outcry to force him to play injured?
- looking towards RFA, to lower his value?
- or does Woodson just hates his guts for some reason? [Also Remember, W is a vet of thousands of interviews, he's no dolt.]
- if so, why would the FO not simply come out & inform the public it's "the doctors & the owner's" order? [unless JLin is lying, w/c...c'mon.]
or, your favorite
- The Nyx dojo [where you insist JLin must train first, bec he can't be getting too ahead of himself now, could he?] must have some unfathomable reasons for their actions that is in fact secretly to JLin's benefit, so we must have faith. Bec we must always give the Nyx the foremost benefit of the doubt, despite evidence to the contrary.
"The Knicks merely played by the rules". If there is anything resembling the truth in the article, it's probably this sentence.
ReplyDeleteThe article and his shady source unnecessarily tried to paint Jeremy as a diva feeling slighted by the Knicks letting Houston set the market value first then proceeded to the main point of defending the Knicks as merely playing by the rules. This is their first mistake if it was originated from the Knicks.
What rules are these? Only the Knicks' rule. On the surface it might have started just being smart to declare the Knicks will match any offers to avoid any bidding war. Next, being smart not to put the first bid and let the “market” determine the value. Then Houston set a reasonable market value that the Knicks can easily match. Finally, the Knicks inexplicably rewarded Houston with tons of assets and draft picks for Marcus Camby’s 38-year creaky old knees and back. This wink-wink under-the-table deal is too obvious not to be investigated by David Stern and the NBA but then again the Knicks has the biggest market value so why rock the boat?
Up to this point, I thought everything is very reasonable however shady the deal might be because the Knicks also revealed the big plan of having Jason Kidd mentoring Jeremy and Kidd publicly stating his willingness to be the backup. The Knicks definitely tried to paint a big picture of their big commitment to develop Jeremy as their future PG star and money-making machine. And floating the perception that the reasonable contract for “an unproven PG with 25 greatest games ever” will benefit Jeremy by allowing him to exceed the expectations of the fans easily. So both sides will come out as winners. Hm, really?
But why attack Jeremy’s image as being a slighted diva? It’s completely unnecessary and might backfire because if there is anything important to Jeremy based on what we know, it’s probably loyalty. He closed the possibility of returning to Stanford with scholarship when he was in Harvard because he said the coach did not believe in him. He’s also loyal to Roger Montgomery, his agent, by not dumping him after he got famous because Roger was the only one who believed in him.
Also, why haven’t we heard about Jeremy’s agent talking to Raptors or Mavericks yet who desperately needs a PG? Shouldn’t his job be “playing by the rules” to set the market value? Does the Knicks have something to do behind-the-screen?
Man, the NBA is ruthless and that’s why I don’t blame Steve Nash to bolt to the Lakers when the Suns did not want him anymore. Same with Ray Allen and Boston Celtics. I hope Jeremy’s new agent does his job to “play by the rules” and maximize his contract value. Because the Knicks will completely turn its back the second Jeremy might not be marketable.
Being loyal is good, Jeremy but hopefully you will let your agent do his job to maximize your contract value even if you stay with the Knicks. As the Bible says, “Be shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves”. Let your agent be the shrewd snake.
I like his tweet response to dismiss the bogus article. That’s being an innocent dove.
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ReplyDeleteFirst the Knicks wanted Steve Nash as thier primary pg, when the Nash sweepstakes failed now they want Jeremy Lin. The 1 billion matching any offer is insulting.
ReplyDeleteThe knicks just sign another pg from spain name Pablo Prigioni..
Jjeremy Lin should go play in Houston.
Yeah right, a 35 year old rookie from the Spanish League is going to replace Jeremy Lin.
DeleteYou must really be a Houston Rockets fan :( I feel sad for you *tear*
If the Knicks gamble on any old international PG with no NBA experience, gambling on Argentina's starting PG isn't indefensible. His scouting report from 6 years ago says he's a smart, tough-minded, skilled floor general who shoots okay as an outlet, similar profile to Kidd, and is unathletic. I don't think an unathletic 29 year old will become an athletic 35 year old.
DeletePrigioni is more likely Kidd insurance than Lin insurance. I'm still concerned that Kidd and now Prigioni as back-ups pose a threat that Lin will be overused. Related, I wonder how much SG/combo Lin will be playing next season with Kidd and maybe Prigioni.
You must be in nyc and a Knicks fan? No I'm not from Houston or a Rockets fan, I'm in L.A California. most Lin fans agreed that Houston is a better fit for Jeremy.
DeleteIf Jeremy stay with the Knicks he has to deal with melo and Woodson iso offense for Melo. Melo wants the last shot and that is his team stuff, Not to mention Jason Kidd wants to play in the last 6 minutes of the game too. Jerey Lin going to be 24 soon he need no mentor, all Jeremy need is playiing time and experience.
Houston offense with Kevin Mchale is better, Linsanity can be reborn in Houston but not in NYC Knicks. Houston has young player like Jeremy they can develop together.
I believe if Jeremy Lin goes to Houston he will shine there.
Jeremy future is better with the Rockets than the Knicks. The Kicks arent going anywhere.
You feel sorry for me? lol ..funny dude..I feel sorry you that you don't see that. lol
35 is old in basketball years, that's when quickness and skills rapidly deteriorate, and players spend much more injury time. That's what I'm afraid of, injuries to this fragile old team. At least the Spurs know how to rest their stars .... the Knicks don't have backups for the old veterans.
DeleteMaybe Grunwald can pull a rabbit out of the hat again and do a sign and trade for Courtney Lee or O.J. Mayo.
The Knicks starters, assuming Kidd doesn't start (notwithstanding the argument that he can only start), are all young or in their prime. Off the bench, Smith and Novak are mid-late 20s. Shumpert is injured, but he's young. Flight White is a reasonable 30.
Delete2 of their key back-ups, however, are NBA old. It behooves the Knicks to get younger back-ups for the back-ups. Prigioni, with his Euro career, should have less wear and tear than the typical 35-year-old NBA player. Apparently, he's been unathletic his whole career, meaning he's used to playing a less physically demanding old man game.
I don't expect Prigioni to have a heightened injury risk, but I doubt he'll keep up with NBA PG speed. He is Argentina's PG, so benefit of the doubt.
ABC Baller: "fragile old team"
DeleteOn 2nd thought, the Knicks core isn't old, but fragile? In the core of Lin, Anthony, Stoudemire, Chandler, Shumpert, Smith, and Novak, only Smith and Novak didn't have significant injuries last season. 30-year-old Jared Jeffries, if he comes back, was hurt a lot, too.
One of the reasons Steve Nash is still healthy and injury free at his age is that he doesn't have to guard the faster point guards. Chasing them around screens and picking up fouls would take away from his game. That duty was usually given to Raja Bell or Shawn Marion.
DeleteLin should not be guarding the other team's star point guards like Westbrook, Rondo, Rose. If he picks up fouls (Refs call him for a lot of stupid fouls) he will get into foul trouble and be less effective.
The tough defensive assignments should go to Shump when he gets back. But in the meantime, the Knicks need a defensive minded ball stopper at the 2 guard.
Good point. While waiting for Shumpert, who may not be the same athlete when he returns, Smith and Flight White are on deck if the Knicks need a big guard to defend the opposing PG.
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ReplyDeleteWith Lin's contract, the max offer the Knicks could make to Lin was about 4/24, but they could match higher. So if Lin believed his market value was higher than 4/24, he had to look elsewhere. Of course, the Knicks could still have come out the gate with an offer that Lin would have then shopped around. But that doesn't mean Lin would have resolved his contract situation sooner or received a better offer than the Rockets gave him. Plus, the Knicks were upfront with Lin from the start, Lin hired a new agent presumably in preparation to explore the market, and the Knicks RFA strategy with Lin - while not the only option - was normal. I doubt Lin is really upset by the Knicks handling of his free agency.
ReplyDeleteIt's a shame about the select team. Colangelo was quoted as saying, to the effect, that 25-35 games wasn't enough to establish Lin's status, but he did enough to intrigue Team USA, and they added him to the select team to scout him out. It's unfortunate mostly from the experience stand-point for Lin, but as far as future Team USA participation, I'm hopeful because Lin's game would work well in the international game. As long as his career progresses like we think it will, he'll get a shot at the senior team.
Do other people ever experience their new comments suddenly disappeared using Chrome browser after you see "Your comment was published" message?
ReplyDeleteDo other people ever experience their new comments suddenly disappeared using Chrome browser after you see "Your comment was published" message?
ReplyDeleteAlso, maybe by hitting the Refresh button afterwards.
Mike Nice posted it, but it's worth repeating Lin's tweet:
ReplyDeleteJeremy Lin@JLin7
Lol why do u guys believe everything? No quotes from me = probably not true
As far as conspiracy theorists who counter-intuitively blame the Knicks even though the Knicks benefit from Lin's success and reputation, I suggest you cast your suspicious eye on the new NBA team in town looking to take down Lin's team. The Nets qualify as a "league source".
Stop labelling people who might just be a bit less Nyk-worshipping as you as 'Conspiracy Theorists," don't try to attach to them the unsavory implications of that term, in order to discredit them.
DeleteThe article might be/ might not be from the Nyx. However, they have behaved this way before, there is precedent. It's absolutely reasonable to think they might be at it again.
What is strange is your unwavering defense of the Nyx despite clear incidence of suckitude on their part. You think it's not them bec the league source quoted referred to the Knicks as "they"? That's just...desperate. Oh hey, maybe it's the nets! or NYDN! You do know that the article is DEFENDING THE NYX, right? They were sh*ttng on JLIN & actually siding with the Nyx.
[& why does the Nets, or NYDN not get the benefit of the doubt you repeatedly afford the Nyx?]
Lol, what's with you & the Nyx?
I'm a Lin fan and the Knicks are Lin's team.
DeleteWhile we should take the article with a grain of salt, I would not be surprised if Jeremy WAS surprised that the Knicks didn't offer a contract right away. When Jeremy was released by the Warriors, there were published reports (forget if it was immediately after his release or perhaps when he blew up in NY) that he was "surprised" at his release.
ReplyDeleteRich Twu, a Bay Area guy who runs an adult basketball league, commented that Jeremy or his agent should not have been surprised. If you read this article, you may understand what I mean:
http://theclassical.org/articles/project-lin
Rich tried to setup Jeremy with some business people to further his name and/or his career. But Jeremy declined and forged his own path. That is fine but it is opposite of what many elite players do. Elite players are surrounded by agents and advisers.
Jeremy is surrounded by family first and his business people second. Though Jeremy is smart and articulate, I think it is entirely reasonable for him to wonder why the Knicks didn't offer a contract first. To me, Jeremy strikes me as a bright but naive kid who is experiencing his first turn at stardom at the professional level.
I don't think he was "upset" but perhaps just spoke of the matter to other players, coaches, etc, etc. Of course, these people it to others people and it eventually gets to the media as "sources" and what Jeremy may have said has already been lost in the translation.
Lin has a high-profile agent, Jim Tanner, who he hired on June 20. He may have been disappointed the Knicks didn't make an offer out of the gate, since it could have helped him set an early floor when negotiating with other teams, but I'm sure he didn't wonder why. Besides his agent, Lin has been an NBA fan his whole life; he knows what restricted free agency is. The Knicks strategy was normal and they were upfront about it from the start.
DeleteThe Nyx were all over the place grovelling after Nash. Meanwhile, no offer to JLin, who seem to be out of the loop, [or else why would he be surprised.] They could have extended one, out of respect. They didn't have to, but they could have. How did it look around the league? [oh, & super-confident to match any offer, bec obviously he can't be getting all that much lols. He's no good hence another starter, but we want his marketing. wink-wink]
DeleteThe NY article vindicates the NYK, but just...craps on JLin. Again, that he should be GRATEFUL. How I HATE this word. They retroactively justified every slight, every unfair treatment he'd ever received. It's like the Nyk acted out of the ordinary & went out of their way, did him a favor & gave him a chance he did not earn nor deserve. As if the unfair assessment he'd received before this has been right all along, but here they are in their infinite generosity, making an exception. You should be grateful! [or else it's - they treated you like crap, but look, we're not doing that to you, you should be grateful! - bec you know, we can, but we're not going to, we're so good to you!]
I'm reminded of Eric implying JLin should be grateful he's doing so much better than his Harvard friends. The comparison nullify the assets he brings to the table, since they have neither his skills or marketing. [Would you tell Zuckerberg to stop trying to get max & be grateful bec he is already so much better off than his Harvard friends?]
I've also seen him compared to Rudy. WTF!
It's like people simply discounts what he brings to the trade.
I was responding to the claim that the stress of playing for the Knicks was too much for Lin and his 5/5/9/(9) contract isn't enough for an expensive city like NYK. It was insulting to Lin, so of course, I defended him.
DeleteI have faith that Lin has the life perspective and adult skills to appreciate and know how to live on a 5-9 million dollar salary. I also believe he's mentally and emotionally strong enough to play for the Knicks.
* NYC, not NYK.
DeleteI've been following this story from day one....bottom line:
ReplyDelete1) Agents did not do good job creating demand for Lin. They should have gotten on the horn and been aggressive setting up discussions with all the teams that could use him. Toronto, Dallas, New Jersey, Houston, Phoenix, Sacramento...Lin is a star and his name sells tickets but agents trusted Knicks too much and didn't treat this like a business.
2) Knick situation is toxic with too many selfish players (melo, smith, Amare) and ego's (kidd) to deal with to have chance at winning there. Jeremy shined when ball in his hands and he created for others including himself (where he was leading scorer). The games they won (Linsanity), Lin was leading scorer in all of them.
3) Knick fans can turn on Lin if he doesn't produce after this contract and if they start losing. Fans may start chanting Jason Kidd if Lin struggles at all in the beginning. Could affect his confidence (29 mill or not). Media portraying Lin as egotistical star now and things going to his head will put a lebron target on him if he doesn't come out of the gate with solid numbers and wins for knicks.
4) Melo and Amare want the ball....JR smith jacks up shots, Woodson doesn't want lin to be leading scorer, add all that up and you're looking at Lin taking 4-6 shots a game and maybe 10 points, 4 assists, and 4 turnovers playing 25 min a game with jason kidd playing 28 min a game and closing it out. Now Lin will dominate Kidd in practice and such but if fans and media against Lin then it will be hard to produce on court in addtion to above obstacles. Linsanity was built up by Media and will be (or attempted) torn down by Media. New York is a dungeon.
5) Finally, Jeremy should look to get traded to Houston or one of the above teams as soon as possible so he can reach his potential:
18 ppg
9 apg
AllStar Game Starter (will be voted in someday)
I myself don't truly care what stats Lin or any other NBA player racks up.
DeleteIn every league Lin has ever played in, he has been a highly efficient player who risks turnovers in order to force the action. For me, that's good enough even in low minutes.
Whether Lin plays 8 minutes or 18 minutes, he needs to make the right basketball play. And I expect that he will do that, given his long body of work as Mr. Efficiency.
don't care? NBA is all about stats and money - that's what gets you respect. yeah he will be efficient but I'm saying it will be tough situation in New York to play to his potential because Linsanity is not possible with the parts and environment currently surrounding him. Any fan/supporter of his should not be satisfied him playing 8 minutes or 18 minutes a game. Life is too short for that...he needs to go for his now
DeleteIf there's one thing that Jeremy now has learned recently is that there is no loyalty and there is no gentleman's agreement in NBA business. It's all about what have done in your last game and what are you worth to other teams. Jeremy now should look at where can he play his true game and not defer to losing players. Jeremy should remind Knicks he brought wins to the team and Melo and Amare brought losses. That's just a fact and not just words.
Delete4-6 FGA is a very conservative estimate.
DeleteIn 7 games under Woodson, with Anthony and Smith, Lin averaged 9 FGA. Add Lin's high FTA. Optional: adjust averages upward if you account for his lower minutes due to blow-out games in that stretch (his /per36 FGA was 11+).
Even if the Knicks play strictly Iso-Melo, Lin's FGA should sustain because he's the Knicks best perimeter outlet or kick-out option. Lin knows how to make himself open. Playing off the ball, on the weak side, facing defenses caught rotating off of Anthony, Lin will punish teams.
If Lin plays with Kidd, the most likely scenario if Kidd closes games, then Lin will be in a SG/combo role, which also means FGAs.
Add: if Lin plays strong side with Anthony, and the two of them ever figure out a 2-man game? Watch out.
Deletethat's my point eric...when Linsanity was in full effect (Knicks winning BTW) he was taking 18-20 shots a game. That's what we all want to see but won't with the knicks lineup. Jeremy will be lucky to average double figures in points on this team and this coach. Yeah he'll be financially happy but will that be enough? Lin is a winner and acheiver....he's tasted stardom and there's no going back from it.
DeleteFor PGs, 18-20 FGA is up in Rose and Westbrook territory. They're joined there by the top scorers in the NBA.
DeleteLin has shown he can play as a dominant ball-handling scoring lead guard, and we all loved it, but is that the best he can be as an NBA PG? I think Lin would be a successful lead guard with the Rockets. I believe Lin would become a better PG with the Knicks. With the Knicks, he'll still get his shots, but more likely in the 12-14 range (depending how much SG/combo he plays) than the 18-20 range.
No Mike Nice, I DON'T CARE.
DeleteI am a baskeball purist who doesn't care about salaries, reputation, or awards. The ball goes up, I want to see GAME.
There are lots of players who get mad props but have little game. Lin's teammate Carmelo Anthony is one of them. He can score selfishly for a bad team, and that's about it.
So if the Knicks stupidly choose to play Jeremy Lin only 18 minutes a game, I have a strong feeling that Lin would make the right basketball plays in those 18 minutes.
Giran Gowan thought of a few good reasons why Lin's only got that one offer.
ReplyDelete"Firstly, because there are very few NBA teams who don't already know who their starting point guard is going to be. The main reason the Rockets were interested is because both Dragic and Lowry wanted out. Elsewhere, it appears most teams have a starter.
Another reason is that other teams don't have his early Bird rights, so they can't go over the cap to sign him, and they have to use the mid-level exception on him. That's probably the biggest reason, as there aren't many teams like Houston and Toronto that have the cap space to give him any more than he's already been offered. Dallas have the space, and unsurprisingly they're the only other team who's shown an interest.
It could be (and this is just pure speculation), that Lin is happy with the offer he received from the Rockets, and doesn't feel the need to talk to anyone else or sign another offer sheet."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1250510-why-new-york-knicks-are-right-to-match-houston-rockets-offer-for-jeremy-lin
It's not in the article, but his reply to a reader's question in the comment.
JesLee, I thought JLinfan#1 did a good job of framing the discussion in his free agency post by narrowing down the list of realistic candidates who might be interested in Lin. It looked like his criteria included sufficient salary cap space and team need.
ReplyDeleteGiven that the Rockets offer is still better than the Knicks max offer, I don't imagine he's unhappy with it. I assume his agent made the rounds and identified the league-wide interest in his client before settling on the Rockets offer. I think Lin accepting the offer is less a matter of being happy or unhappy than understanding that there were viable PGs left on the FA market, and putting off the Rockets could push them to abandon the offer.
can someone educate me? 2 Questions:
ReplyDelete1) Did Lin sign Rocket offer sheet yet? so that Knicks have something in writing to match...I've seen other report where teams pull their offer because they know the home team will match (i.e. Hibbert).This could blow up everything for Lin.
2) If not, is it possible that the Rockets pull their offer and Knicks can lowball Lin again? This would start the free agency dance all over again and LIn could then go to these other teams and see if get a better deal NY might not match.
there's much news today about all these guys officially signing their deals but nothing about Lin? Maybe he's trying to negotiate sign and trade. Rumor on Intl Bus Times has Lin being traded to Clippers (along with Iman, Fields) for Chris Paul. Lin to Clippers would be ideal for him.
DeleteIs there a link to this news source ? There's no way Lin's contract combined with Iman and Fields (Who they can't trade now that he's signed Toronto's offer sheet.) can match up to Chris Paul's $20 million dollar salary.
DeleteChris paul salary $16,359,805
DeleteLin $5,000,000
Fields $6,300,000
Shumpert $1,500,000
numbers can work....
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/361987/20120711/new-york-knicks-news-chris-paul-lin.htm
Teams are allowed to bring back 125% + 100K of outgoing salary in a sign and trade. Paul's salary this season is about 18 mil.
DeleteThe IBN article talks about a sign and trade for Paul next season, when he'll be looking for 5/108. If the Knicks match on Fields, his salary will be about 5/10 after next season. Lin's will be about 5/9/(9).
Gilbert Arenas provision contracts, with the low-to-high jump in salary, are jagged compared to the steady percentage raises in most NBA contracts. It can't be easy to fit them into trades.
knicks could match offer for landry, lin and then do the deal...Landry still not with Toronto until 3 days after (knicks declining to match). Now I'm hearing that Houston considering upping offer to Lin to try and get him as reason that no offer given to Knicks for option to match yet - Houston is trying to pull a trick up their sleeve...
Deletehttp://bleacherreport.com/articles/1255227-jeremy-lin-rumors-houston-rockets-must-pay-steeper-price
* Clarify: by "this season", I meant Paul's salary next or the 2012-13 season.
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DeleteThe max salary for 2012-13 is about 19 mil. We can assume Paul will sign for a max contract (the 5/108) next year. Assuming the max is again 19 mil, that would take about 15+ mil of contracts going to the Clippers to match. Lin and Fields will make 10 combined in the 2013-14 season, then 19+ combined in 2014-15. Add a few contracts to make up the balance for 2013-14 and it could work.
DeleteBig but (copied from Larry Coon's CBA FAQ):
Starting in 2013-14, the team receiving the player cannot be above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) after the trade.
The Knicks will be above the apron.
Meanwhile the Mavs get Darren Collison and Dahntay Jones from Indiana Pacers for the rarely used bench big man Ian Mahinmi.
DeleteWhich begs the question ... if the Mavs can get 2 valuable pieces they need for so little ... why can't the Knicks make these kinds of trades where they are the winner ?
The Knicks did sign away the Mavs starting PG whom the Mavs wanted back. Technically not a trade, but hard to call the Knicks the loser in that exchange.
DeleteThis trade is good for the Mavs. They're putting together another temp roster like they did last season. Kaman, Collison, and Jones will help them.
It's not one-sided, though. The Pacers need an athletic back-up C for the skilled but slower Hibbert. Last season, they had Hansbrough in that role, and West is a short PF. Mahinmi has been in the NBA a few years and became the the Mavs regular back-up C last season. For the Pacers, Jones is a solid bench guard, but also a replaceable journeyman, and Collison - who I look - had fallen out of favor similar to Toney Douglas.
* Collison - who I like - ...
DeleteThere is too much money to be made for the Knicks not to match Houston's offer sheet. All the media release about matching up to $1billion, signing Kidd to mentor Jlin and be the backup, the Knick's wink-wink deal to send so many assets plus draft picks for Marcus Camby's 38 year old back point to the Knicks preparing Jeremy to be their future PG in the next 2-3 years.
ReplyDeleteMy biggest question is also why Jeremy's agent not doing more to talk to other teams (Mavericks, Raptors, etc.) to maximize the contract value. I understand about Jeremy being loyal to the Knicks but if there is anything we can learn recently from Steve Nash and the Suns; Ray Allen and the Celtics; there is no loyalty in the NBA. Even the Bible says, "Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves". Let the agent be the shrewd snake, Jeremy. And I like the latest tweet to counter the article painting him to be a dive. That's being a dove :D
In short, people around the NBA still think Lin can't play because he's Asian.
ReplyDeleteand-one.
KHuang,
ReplyDeleteNot everyone think Lin can't play. Some teams already have a starting PG. Some don't have cap space to offer Lin a high salary. Some don't want to wast their time to make an offer because the Knicks keep saying they will match any offer. At the end, they might be just the Sun and the Mavericks who think Lin is not good enough.
http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/12/knicks-mike-woodson-jeremy-lin-jason-kidd/
ReplyDeletelatest tweets:
Al Iannazzone@Al_Iannazzone
Mike Woodson said the knicks 'absolutely' will match Lin's offer sheet after he signs it.
Frank Isola@FisolaNYDN
Mike Woodson says that Jeremy Lin is his starting point guard and that Jason Kidd is the back- up. But who plays the last six minutes?
Please don't post Isola's tweets here.
DeleteJason Kidd said he wants to play in the last 6 minutes of the game. Not good idea, Houston is better for Jlin.
DeleteSure is a big day all right... it's the ESPYs! =p
ReplyDeleteJeremy tweeted a picture of himself. Sorry, but he looks like a dork with the bowtie and presumable glasses. IMO, he's the favorite to win Breakthrough Athlete.
I'm sure he won't be ducking the paparazzi today. =)
Congrats Lin on the ESPY award win!!!
ReplyDeleteAt the ESPYs press tent.
ReplyDeleteAfter receiving his award Lin had a lot of good things to say about his time here in Houston, yet not too much about NYK.
However he said like everyone else, he's just waiting to see what happens.
Hahhaha, Take that NYC!!!!
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DeleteJeremy Lin has something to proved to people, he should go to Houston and built his own team, a lot of good young player in Houston.
DeleteHouston offense is better fit, no knicks drama.
Kidd needs to play with a combo guard and, right now, Lin is the only combo guard on the roster.
ReplyDelete* technically he's not on the roster yet, but assuming it.
ReplyDeleteWoodson might play Jeremy Lin and kidd together, that mean Jeremy at the 2 guard and kidd at the one. I dont trust woodson.
ReplyDeleteHouston is a better situation for Jeremy.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8158354/new-york-knicks-absolutely-match-offer-jeremy-lin-mike-woodson-says
No, Jeremy Lin at the one since he is faster, and Kidd at the 2 guard to be a spot up shooter.
ReplyDeleteYou never know. Kidd with pg experience so woodson might do that.
Deletewoodson also changing his tune, right after season end, woodson said Jlin starting at pg is not gaurranteed and said we'll see. and now woodson saying Jlin is the starting pg for the knicks.
I dont trust woodson.
kidd with the ball on offense but on defense Jjlin guard other teams pg.
DeleteI have a question. After the Knicks match the Rockets' offer to Lin, If the Rockets really want him, can they raise the offer? Does anyone here know the answer?
ReplyDeleteThey'd have to raise the offer before the offer sheet is signed. Once Lin signs the Rockets offer, then it's a contract. The Knicks right of first refusal means the Knicks have the option to take the Rockets contract and make it a Knicks contract.
DeleteThe Knicks still haven't received the signed offer sheet from the Rockets.
DeleteThe delay probably doesn't mean anything. But we can imagine the Rockets and Lin are reworking the deal to pay Lin more.
Hopefully, the delay doesn't mean the Rockets are considering dropping the offer with the Howard talk heating up. After amnestying Scola, the Rockets should have enough cap space to trade for Howard and sign Lin.
According to chron.com, the delay is due to the Camby trade. The players involved have to pass physicals, and the trade has to be approved by the league. Once that trade is completed, the Rockets will then sign Asik and Lin to offer sheets.
DeleteNY Times Howard Beck reporting that Lin will sign the offer sheet tomorrow, which will start the Knicks 3-day clock to match.
DeleteKHuang:
ReplyDeleteNegative social proof is hard to fight, the more people subscribe to a belief [belief, not fact], the more it gains credence. & as long as the existing worldview is comfortable to oneself, why buck the trend? People are far more risk-averse than they are rewards oriented.
Just how important has Landry Fields been to NY Knicks winning games ?
ReplyDeleteLandry played some good defense and hit some key shots to help beat the Raptors, Lakers, Mavs, etc. When Carmelo came back, his production went down a lot (naturally), but he was still the most effective player cutting to the basket, or catching the pass on the fast break.
If Fields can fix his shooting, his value changes a lot.
DeleteThe Raptors offer is too high, but matching it wouldn't cost the Knicks the opportunity to sign another player, only (a lot) more luxury tax. His contract would run out at the same time as the Big 3 contracts. If Dolan is willing to swallow the higher tax and make it a basketball decision only, the question is, is there an equal or better guard than Fields the Knicks can sign at the minimum or trading Gadzuric?
Fields has the same Bird Rights as Lin. So his first two years will be about $5 million a year ... which does not count towards the salary cap. The third year is a back breaker because they'll pay him almost $9 mill.
DeleteHopefully by then the Knicks can make some moves to dump salary. Or be winning and popular enough that they can pay for the luxury tax.
It doesn't count for the 'soft' salary cap (59 mil), but it still counts for assessing luxury taxes (70 mil) and the apron (74 mil).
DeleteThe Knicks will regret their move to make Lin feel slighted. When Lin becomes a superstar and his current contract runs out, he will become an unrestricted FA and can go wherever he pleases. I am sure he won't forget how the Knicks treated him these days.
ReplyDeleteHow bitter could Melo be towards Lin? Woodson has already said Lin's starter but Melo still said Lin's better off the bench. Melo's clearly jealous of Lin and wants to undermine Lin as every way possible and doesn't want Lin to steal his shot attempts and spotlight.
ReplyDeleteWoodson isn't any better either. He only said Lin's starter because he didn't lose it due to injury, why couldn't he just simply say that Lin's his best PG on the team?
Poor Jeremy. Not only he has to deal with so many haters but even his coaches and teammates don't believe in him.
Also, has anyone noticed that Melo's friend and former teammate JR Smith will be named starter next season and the Knicks seem to sign every Melo's former teammate possible. Clearly some politics and favoritism are running hard in the Knicks organization.
Not sure if it's personal with Melo, but who knows.
DeleteJared Zwerling @JaredZwerling
Melo & Chris Paul walked through media room here in Vegas & Melo said, referring to CP3, "You'll see him in NY in a couple years."(smiling).
However, he's been trying to get this done forever, from before JLin.
It seems the FO don't have concrete plans for JLin, but can't bear to lose his marketing. & The stars/ coach don't respect him.
1. With Landry Fields gone and Iman Shumpert out until at least January, who else was going to be the starting SG?
ReplyDelete2. What more than Woodson repeatedly publicly endorsing Lin as the starter is called for at this point? To declare him the leader of the team and one of the best players in the NBA?
3. Who are all these NBA teams that respect Lin any more than the Knicks do, and what is the tangible evidence of this respect?
It is easy to make the Knicks and Melo out to be the bad guys because of the D'Antoni situation, but don't let the entire rest of the NBA off the hook in the process.
This was meant for Cara above.
DeleteUnknown:
DeleteI'll join in, if you don't mind.
2. What more than Woodson repeatedly publicly endorsing Lin as the starter is called for at this point?
- Don't know what he could do. I suppose he'd do what Dolan orders him to do.
- He throws JLin under the bus with the meniscus comment, he witholds his validation time after time after time, despite JLin giving the team his all & now RFA comes along & he abruptly sings a different tune. Aren't people justified in being wary?
"To declare him the leader of the team and one of the best players in the NBA?"
- You sound annoyed, indigant even, that there exist these disatisfactions. Lol, is this..."Wow what more do you want, be satisfied already," -- the sister of "Be Grateful" ?
3. Who are all these NBA teams that respect Lin any more than the Knicks do
- Why can't the Nyx be assessed as a stand-alone? Why must the NYX always be compared to another team?
- Are you saying other NBA teams' disrespect will justify the same behavior from the NYX bec 'look, they did it too, it's not only us, so it's ok?"
- or "oh look, they're even worst than us!" like it's supposed to negate whatever unfair treatment bec "you should be so lucky, at least we're not as bad?"
- Bec this would be the only point in making this comparison, no?
", and what is the tangible evidence of this respect?"
- Do you think what Woodson did was fair to JLin?
- Why did they just dumped him out there during the playoffs? Where's the support?
- Why did they not make that token offer to JLin at the start of RFA? Even if it would have been refused, shouldn't they have made the gesture as a courtesy at least?
It is easy to make the Knicks and Melo out to be the bad guys because of the D'Antoni situation, but don't let the entire rest of the NBA off the hook in the process.
- No one's off the hook. If certain questionable behaviors run through the league, it shouldn't be seen as somehow the norm, & therefore acceptable, no?
:) You & Eric, Nyk 4evah!
Has Smith been named the starter? It's the obvious choice given the options, but Smith is known for his preference for coming off the bench.
DeleteIf Smith is still uncomfortable starting, then the smart move may be to start Lin and Kidd together, then bring in Smith for Kidd at the 5-6 minute mark, after which Lin and Smith are the 1st unit guards and Kidd is a back-up.
JR is starting. He wants and needs a lot of minutes and shots to get a big contract for next year. The so called preference for coming off the bench is laughable. Everyone wants to start if he can.
DeleteNot everyone. Smith actually began his career starting, but eventually found his niche coming off the bench with the Nuggets. Smith is like Jamal Crawford in that respect. He has the talent to start and fills in as a starter, but he's famous for preferring to come off the bench gunning as a game-changer rather than fitting in with the starting unit from the opening tip.
DeleteAs the roster stands and Shumpert uncertain, Smith needs to carry a starter's load and Kidd needs to be a back-up, but coming off the bench doesn't mean Smith's MPG must be limited just as starting doesn't mean Kidd's MPG must be increased. Like I said, if Smith is still uncomfortable starting, then starting Kidd and subbing in Smith early is a way for Woodson to bypass the hang-up.
Cara is 1000% right. In the NBA, everyone wants to start.
DeleteI have always liked JR Smith's game and felt that selecting Lin to be his PG was intelligent on his part.
My only concern with JR Smith is defense. While he appears to me to be a willing defender, he just doesn't seem to have the lateral athleticism of a true elite defender like Jeremy Lin.
To me, JR Smith is a wonderful running mate for Lin. Smith might get exposed against the top two guards in the league, but most nights he's going to bring his predictably unpredictable game.
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Delete"now RFA comes along & he abruptly sings a different tune. Aren't people justified in being wary?"
1. It is not a different tune. Woodson always declared Lin as his starter. And why would Lin being an RFA - meaning that he can't leave without the Knicks consent - cause a change in tune?
2. "You sound annoyed, indignant even, that there exist these dissatisfactions."
Not as annoyed, indignant and dissatisfied as many as you are at the fact that Woodson is the coach. Look, Woodson's crime is being the guy who replaced D'Antoni. That isn't "wariness" but rather a no-win situation.
3. " Why can't the Nyx be assessed as a stand-alone? Why must the NYX always be compared to another team?"
Because of the claims that the other teams are better situations for Lin than New York.
"No one's off the hook. If certain questionable behaviors run through the league, it shouldn't be seen as somehow the norm, & therefore acceptable, no?"
But you guys are only challenging the questionable behaviors of the Knicks. Everyone else's questionable behaviors are just fine with you.
And no, I do not apologize for liking the Knicks. I was a Knicks fan years ago because of Ewing, Oakley and Mason. Stopped following them because they went out and got a bunch of players that I can't stand. Jeremy Lin gave me a reason to root for the Knicks again, and if Jeremy Lin weren't on the Knicks, I would not be rooting for them.
But here's the deal: I see no contradiction in rooting for the Knicks and for Lin because the Knicks being a great team with Lin as their starting PG would be simply marvelous. A storied franchise. The biggest media market in the world. A city crazy about basketball. What's the downside? I want the Knicks to go to the NBA Finals with Lin leading the NBA in assists. I think that it would be great for Lin. By contrast, it seems like most of the commenters on this site would rather see the Knicks go down in flames as punishment for firing D'Antoni - the guy who was trying to replace Lin with Deron Williams - even if it means Lin going down with the ship. Or folks would rather Lin go play for a .500 team in Houston, who is only the #3 NBA team in Texas (behind the Mavs and San Antonio), and in a state where the NBA comes in fifth behind college football, the NFL, high school football and MLB. Whoopee. When the Rockets won back-to-back NBA titles in the 90s, they couldn't even sell all their tickets for home playoff games. That is a better situation for Lin than a winning Knicks team?
As long as Lin is on the Knicks, I am going to root for the Knicks to have as much success as possible because it means Lin benefiting from that success. Yet I get called a troll, flamer, hater and anti-Asian for feeling that way. Well, with enemies like me, Lin doesn't need friends I suppose.
Cara, at this point of Smith's career, it'll be an impressive surprise if he redefines his NBA reputation. He just has not play worse than expected and not get hurt.
DeleteSetting aside what Smith prefers, it'll be an interesting decision for Woodson. Based on talent and the other SG (Flight White) on the roster as of now, the easy answer is to start Smith. But that's been true about Smith for years, including last season with Fields as the starting SG.
The Knicks guards, as of now, include Lin, Kidd, Smith, Prigioni, and G/F White. Assuming for now those will be the guards, Woodson may give White and Prigioni solid minutes right away, or - always assuming Kidd has enough gas in the tank - he may stick to a Lin/Kidd/Smith 3-guard rotation and a short leash on the 2 unproven Euro ballers. The Knicks should add another guard, though he may be no more proven than Prigioni and White.
The Heat series, where the Knicks were also short on guards, is instructive of how Woodson may use Smith next season. Smith had the 2nd highest (35) MPG on the team to Anthony (40). Where Smith has a track record as an impact bench guard while an unreliable starter, Woodson also has a track record budgeting starter's minutes for 3rd guards Crawford and Smith.
If Woodson wants reliable execution to set the tone at the start of games, then starting Kidd and Lin together is more reliable.
Another consideration is 2nd unit scoring. Kidd, Camby, and Novak can't iso and create scores, and we don't know yet about Prigioni and White. Giving Smith starter's minutes while staggering when he enters the game means he can be on the floor with the 2nd unit in his customary instant-offense role.
On the other hand, Woodson may prefer a conventional starter/back-up rotation with Lin and Kidd, where Kidd subs for Lin off the bench. In that case, hard to see Flight White starting just for the sake of bringing Smith off the bench.
Unknown, you're fine. The Knicks are Lin's team and you are rooting for Lin's team to succeed with Lin a part of it. Lin fandom is not some robe-and-torch Manichean dogma, except when it comes to their opponents on the court, especially the Heat. I don't agree with all your points, but you're obviously a serious NBA fan. Lin can use more serious NBA fans in his corner who can make his case to other serious NBA fans.
DeleteLooks like The Knicks front office has Mike Woodson doing their by trying to convince Jeremy Lin to resign with the knicks.
ReplyDeleteA few months ago Woodson said Jeremy Lin is not gauranteed the starting pg spot, and now since the Steve Nash sweepstakes failed, looks like everyone has changed their tunes huh lo
Now Jeremy Lin will be the starting pg. How about when Jason Kidd said he wants to play in the last 6 minutes of the game? also ask woodson will take the last shot of the gamee, Jeremy or melo?
don't trust woodson or the knicks. They just wants you resign caus your the human atm machine.
make them get on their knees and begged lol
Lin is a restricted free agent.
DeleteWho's to say that other teams will treat Lin better and with more respect than the Knicks. The Warriors signed him to one year to make Asian fans happy, then dumped him. Rockets probably signed him for that very same reason ... and then he got dumped.
DeleteI know his situation could be better with another team ... but it could have also been much worse.
I look forward to when the season starts, all we will be talking about is the game itself.
That was then , this is now , there was no such term LINSANITY , now this is new world order . People on earth love Green ,for now and fulture . Dan Dan
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DeleteUmmm ... by pledging to match any offer for Lin, they are giving him the most love. Name these other teams that are giving Lin more love than the Knicks, and tell me how they are expressing this love. And don't say Houston. Where the Knicks are willing to pay a significant luxury tax to keep Lin, the Rockets have loads of cap room and only offered him 70% of what they could have. Instead, the Rockets seem to be reserving their love for a franchise wrecker with a limited offensive game and an injured back who refuses to sign a long term deal until after the season.
The importance of Jason Kidd as mentor to Jeremy Lin.
ReplyDeleteI like the consistency of Jason Kidd's message in several articles to share his 18-year NBA knowledge. I dislike his hard foul on Jeremy in the last game against Dallas but I believe he can teach the most important thing Jeremy needs to learn in his 3rd year: how to play for 15+ year in the NBA. I believe Jeremy has HOF talent like many people do here but it won't mean anything if he's often injured and end up with a career like Brandon Roy.
I agree with his point that Jeremy needs to have multiple gear so he can last 82 games in a season.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8161273/new-york-knicks-introduce-veteran-additions-jason-kidd-marcus-camby
"Jason Kidd hasn't spoken to Jeremy Lin yet.
But when he does, he'd like to teach the young point guard a simple lesson: how to slow down."
Does anyone know if the offer sheet with Houston has indeed been signed? What are possible scenarios if no offer has been signed?
ReplyDeleteLin, Asik offers delayed
DeleteThe Rockets’ sign-and-trade deal with New York, with Marcus Camby signing with the Knicks and New York sending the Rockets guard Toney Douglas, Josh Harrellson and Jerome Jordan and two second-round picks, also was approved. Harrellson will join the Rockets’ summer league team Thursday.
The trade is not considered complete until the players involved pass physicals, forcing the Rockets to hold off on signing Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik to offer sheets. The Knicks have said they will match Lin’s offer sheet, with New York coach Mike Woodson saying Wednesday that Lin is his starting point guard. The Chicago Bulls are expected to match Asik’s offer sheet.
Looks like Lin has not signed his offer sheet yet. The Rockets are focused on Dwight Howard it appears, and have Lin and other business on the back burner.
DeleteSince Lin has not signed his sheet, technically any other team that wants him can try for him. However, unless that team is willing to pay more than the $28.5 million that Houston has offered, they wouldn't waste their time.
NY Times Howard Beck says the offer sheet will be signed tomorrow.
DeleteIf another team was going to enter a bid, they would have done it by now. There's been a lot of PG movement the last few days, too, so even the darkhorse candidates are drying up.
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ReplyDelete1. It is not a different tune. Woodson always declared Lin as his starter. And why would Lin being an RFA - meaning that he can't leave without the Knicks consent - cause a change in tune?
- ALWAYS? Just untrue.
- Do you know how crazy your FO is? Wth knows what their doing? To scare people off from tendering an offer? But everybody can see, he does a 180.
"Not as annoyed, indignant and dissatisfied as many as you are at the fact that Woodson is the coach. Look, Woodson's crime is being the guy who replaced D'Antoni. That isn't "wariness" but rather a no-win situation."
- Lol, what is this D'Antoni thing? You think this is Meloball vs Linsanity? We miss Linsanity, but this is not why we distrust Woodson. What he said during the play-offs basically called into question JLin's toughness, will, determination, it simply added to the public hate. [Why would you do that to your guy?! No, answer this.] The FO created that hype & then just abandoned him out there, no support, why?! JLin was playing injured, giving his all, clutch, still Woodson won't confirm him, I mean what more could JLin do to prove himself, to win his approval?! What more does he want?! You know that racial thing? Woodson would pull Landry out even when he's doing well. JR, however can chuck to forever. You think we're not justified in distrusting him?! Here are evidence that you willfully ignore & you think WE are the biased ones?!
"Because of the claims that the other teams are better situations for Lin than New York."
- Nobody knows if he'll be better off with another team, it's an unknown quantity, 50/50. But already know what it's like with the Nyx. Is it wrong to want him to play in a more supportive environment? If there is an alternative, you want him to stay in a sh*tty environment just for the lulz?
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ReplyDelete"But you guys are only challenging the questionable behaviors of the Knicks. Everyone else's questionable behaviors are just fine with you."
"But you guys are only challenging the questionable behaviors of the Knicks. Everyone else's questionable behaviors are just fine with you."
- Lol, have you read my posts? I've been bitter from no-scholarship onwards. It's just that he's on the Nyx now, & the crap his dealing with is necessarily with the Nyx [of course.] Crap behavior league-wide does not excuse what the Nyx does, no? It still happens, to JLin. It's not about how the Nyx measure-up to league-standards, it's what JLin has to go through. It's not about the Nyx, it's about JLin. See, you are a Nyx-fan first, & you can't help but to see through Nyx-lenses. You filter everything through that. I'm a JLin fan, & my priority is 'what's good for JLin.'
And no, I do not apologize for liking the Knicks.
& why should you? Like you said, it's a storied franchise, media market, basketball-crazy, lots of things going for it. We don't hate "the Nyx," we hate the way they treat JLin.
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ReplyDelete"By contrast, it seems like most of the commenters on this site would rather see the Knicks go down in flames as punishment for firing D'Antoni"
- Ok, I understand the long-suffering angst that is the lot of a Nyx fan. But I don't believe 'sticking it to the Nyx' is top priority for JLin fans? Again, it's about what's good for JLin. It's not about the Nyx.
D'Antoni - the guy who was trying to replace Lin with Deron Williams - even if it means Lin going down with the ship.
- No one knows what he would have done with DWill, maybe/ maybe not. & whatever it is, it never happened & never will. So....???
As long as Lin is on the Knicks, I am going to root for the Knicks to have as much success as possible because it means Lin benefiting from that success.
- I think you have it the other way around. You're a Nyx fan who want JLin to help you fulfill your Nyx dream.
- I'm a JLin fan, I want JLin to fulfill his JLin-dream.
From my feeling , right now he is a outsider except for the purpose of market from him . Even Jason kid said he should be the one play the last few min of the game and going to be a teacher of Lin . He never give those disrespect speech to his backup when he was in Dallars .
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