doesn't look like NY will match.. otherwise they would've done it by now..
Could be they want to mess with Lin's and Morey's heads until the last possible minute, either way they decide.
Morey wins whether Dolan and Co match the offer or not.. This is more on a personal level between Dolan and Lin...
I agree with tian and Eric and RU. Daryl Morey utterly snookered the Knicks FOUR times. 1) The Knicks were banking on leaguewide opinion that Lin could come cheaply. That would've been the case had Morey not stepped forward with the first big offer to Lin.2) Morey set up the Camby trade which gutted the Knicks of tradeable young players and picks. 3) The Knicks were shocked by Morey's second offer to Lin and decided to get Raymond Felton. Now Felton is tying up additional cap space, causing the Knicks to have to pay MORE tax if they sign Lin on top of that. 4) If the Knicks sign Lin, it'll appear to everyone that Lin and Morey used each other to drive up Lin's price for nothing. A big "SUCKER" would then be on Dolan's forehead. Really, the least painful way to "beat" Morey is for the Knicks to let Lin go and then trash him in the tabloids. At least an anti-Lin backlash could be started in NY, and that might hurt Lin's and Morey's value in the future.
Pretty good analysis of MOrey and Dolan chess game. The 3 days that have gone by have made the knicks go from an irrational decision to a more sound one and they may end of matching offer and keeping LIn and then if he doesn't play well they will cut or trade him in before year 3. Jeremy will still get his financial windfall regardless and he will be set in terms of security. Knicks can take that risk and if LIn plays all star level they will be rich, if he doesn't then they can cut bait and stretch out the 3 years of his 14.8 mill salary and not get blasted by lux tax. Trading him might not work if LIn is a bust but they can just amenesty him and spread out cap amount over 3 years - not a bad worst case scenario...risk reward is more in favor of knicks matching now....only drawback is that Felton will be mad since he was promised starting spot but knicks probably will renege on that and say they never said that. Lin will have to fight for his playing time but that's okay cause he's still rich now.
Taking all factors into account, it seems that Knicks were upset that they were schooled by JLin and his agent in the contract negotiations when the Rockets upped the offer. Now that Melo and Smith have said not so good things about JLin's getting paid good money, I tend to think there will be bad chemistry if JLin returns. Now, if Dolan really wanted to be vindictive, he will have Knicks match the offer and then have JLin suffer in a team with bad chemistry.Now, having watched playoffs, I came away admiring Spurs, Celtics and OKC because they showed a great deal of character and heart in their loss. And Miami showed their guts in their victory over OKC. I just don't see that character with the Knicks, and therefore, I do not believe Knicks are worthy team to be a champion because ultimately they do not have enough players with this kind of character (I exclude Chandler from other Knicks players). You need that something extra in addition to talent to win the NBA Championship.
With Lin, the heart would come from the Knicks C and PGs.
i don't but this idea that jeremy "schooled" the knicks on anything. it's a negotiation, isn't it? this is how capitalism works? rockets made offer 1, knicks PUBLICLY said (though Woodson) they would match said offer 1, oops - the rockets WANT lin, so they obviously upped the offer. why would the rockets do the knicks a favor? it's the same buying a house. you don't get pissed at someone else who wants the house you want for upping the price. anyone who buys into this point of Jeremy being a slick-willy or snake-like is a moron and probably racist. stupid.
Nonsense. The Knicks wanted Lin for minimum wage. Lin ended up with maximum wage by playing within the rules. The Knicks have no right to be angry at anyone. Linstructor just taught another lesson.
Before all the crazy drama, I wanted Knicks to match. But now, I want Lin to go to Houston.The Knicks are totally dysfunctional. They don't deserve Lin. I loved this answer from Henry Abbott about whether the Knicks should match the Rockets' offer. Other writers either said yes or no. Abbott said:"It doesn't matter all that much. The Knicks like to act like they're making these league-changing decisions all the time, but they're perennially mediocre regardless. Maybe it's not rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, but it's rearranging the deck chairs on some mediocre, overpriced cruise... so long as we're talking about a team dominated by Carmelo isolations, it doesn't matter all that much which four players are watching."http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-120716/nba-knicks-let-lin-leave
I do agree with what he said in this regard: Whether JLin returns to Knicks or not, Knicks will be a mediocre team which may not even make it to playoffs or lose in first round. Knicks doesn't seem to have a PLAN to build anything.
If Lin is re-signed by the Knicks, they'll be a 2nd round team. If they play the Heat in the 2nd round, that's it. But they should have a fair shot against anyone else in the East, including the Celtics.
knicks will match. He will perform well. they will still try to get chris paul, and probably will trade him before his third year.
That would be the best of both worlds. Lin gets the experience and development he needs for 1-2 years as a Knick, then he leaves via trade as a mature veteran with the track record to become the leader of his new team.
Lin will get experience either in NY or Hou. NY will likely keep him from having the ball at the end of the game most of the time. hopefully he will earn it. no brainer, lin for 5 mill is a steal, he is worth 8-9 mill easy. stupid media. third year is far away, trade or amnesty him the third year. he's an asset to the clips or mavs his second and third year. He won't get amnestied, but I'm just saying, it's a no brainer to sign the offer because he is being underpaid the first two years
For the Rockets, he is worth 8+ mil per. At least, that's how he would be counted under their salary cap. I think the Knicks would be fine with 8 mil per for Lin, just as they were fine with 9 mil in year 3 under the 1st offer. It's the 15 mil and luxury tax in year 3 that's being fussed about.Amnesty only works for players under contract when the CBA was signed and can only be used once, so Lin couldn't be amnestied by either team. Trading a big expiring contract isn't the no-brainer it's made out to be, but there is that. He could be waived. Apparently, the salary cap impact of the 15 mil can be diffused via waiver over several years. I'm fuzzy on the how.
If Jeremy and his agent were expecting the Knicks to match the Rocket's higher offer ... but that he doesn't want to move to Houston ... then he is really screwed and will fire his agent right before the season begins. Just something to look out for.That being said, I think the media is making Lin out to be the bad guy, and most callers on ESPN seem to think along like the pied piper. They believe everything they hear over the radio.I'm sure it's the Rockets who made a higher offer themselves. Knowing they had run out of options at point guard.
The meme that Lin secretly went to the Rockets with confidential insider info from the Knicks and re-negotiated the offer has been repeated into a fact. It makes Lin out to be greedy, violating the Knicks good faith, and having over-played his hand (if he wants to stay a Knick, which has been reported to be the case). It bugs me.One, there was no reason for Lin to sneak to the Rockets. The Knicks have a right of 1st refusal but they aren't a party to the contract. Though the NBA custom is to honor the terms of the verbally agreed upon offer, that's not a rule. Lin and the Rockets had the right to re-negotiate the offer and no obligation to inform the 3rd party Knicks. They may have violated a custom, but they had no reason to sneak around the Knicks to do it.Two, that the Knicks would match any offer was not confidential insider info. It was expressed publicly before and after the 1st offer was agreed upon, including from Woodson. Lin did not need to violate the Knicks good faith to tell the Rockets something they already knew from open sources.Three, Lin is only devious if the Knicks privately told him after the 1st offer, despite their public stance, there was a limit to what they would match, and then Lin asked the Rockets to exceed that limit. If Lin wants to join the Rockets, that's a way to do it. The Rockets would have to agree to the raise. But there's no public info that Lin believed there was a limit past which the Knicks wouldn't match. If the Knicks assured Lin privately they would match the same as they were doing publicly, then there's no difference.Four, Lin's agent is supposed to negotiate the best deal for his client. I assume when the 1st offer was agreed upon, Lin's agent was trying to get the highest amount then. The highest amount should be his agent's default position absent guidance from Lin to cap the amount. Without added leverage, Lin's agent can continue to push for more money, but he can't make the Rockets give Lin more than they had agreed to give in the 1st offer. If the Rockets reacted to the Knicks assurances by raising the offer, that's on the Rockets. * My guess is the Rockets raised the offer because their pursuit of Howard made their need to sign a good PG more urgent. The Knicks can fairly be upset at the Rockets for violating an NBA custom by changing the terms of the offer at the last minute. But unless the Knicks privately told Lin something in good faith they were keeping a secret in public, they have no reason to be upset at Lin. Assuring Lin they would match the offer was not a secret.
I concur. Dolan and co. have a twisted screwy way of playing the media and trying to place blame all over the place. They don't want to accept responsibility for this screw-up. They could have done the max match right of the bat and been done this nonsense so its all their fault. I question who was the "source" who said that Jeremy wasn't happy with the Knicks. The fact that he wasn't happy with the Knicks is probably true....but why should he be happy? For weeks, the Knicks were salivating over Nash and my guess is they weren't too focused in on Lin at the time.
Eric, you just can't quit trying to master ESP can you?You have ZERO EVIDENCE that Houston needs Lin just because they want Dwight Howard. This is like the 4th thread you keep insisting this. It's getting STALE. And no, you don't have ESP.
See, this new media twist is not only hurting Jeremy Lin's reputation as a player, but also makes it more difficult for him to sign contracts in the future. His agent handles all his business dealings. And he's not one to make demands and question what other experts tell him.
K, it's called a fan's speculation, not ESP. the Rockets needed a PG when they agreed on the 1st offer to Lin; but something changed their thinking within a week to change their offer. Some people think that something was Lin manipulating the Rockets with insider info from the Knicks, but that doesn't hold up. The Howard pursuit or the Rockets panicking over the PG market rapidly drying up are likelier reasons.jlinisasuperhero, the Knicks couldn't offer Lin up to the market max (4/40) right out the gate. The Knicks were limited to 4/24, but could match a higher offer. It's a fair question as to why the Knicks didn't make a competitive offer anyway even if they knew Lin planned to test the market, but it was a normal course of action for RFAs.The Knicks ARE at fault for saying they'd match any offer, thus setting Lin's expectations, seem happy with the 1st 4/29 offer, then balking at 3/25.
ABC Baller, right, that's where the 'chess not checkers' praise of the last-minute change by Morey falls short.It does make Lin look bad. Morey also looks pretty desperate. If Lin is re-signed by the Knicks, I hope he or his agent will clarify that the Rockets changed the offer. Lin shouldn't be expected to turn down a better last-minute offer from the Rockets, as some media have suggested, but if there is a violation of custom, it should be by the Rockets, not Lin.Apparently, changing the terms of a verbally agreed upon offer for an RFA, while allowed for in the rules, is unusual by NBA custom. NBA teams are competitors, but they're also franchises operating in a collective. With salary caps and luxury tax penalties, teams expect the courtesy of enough transparency to make informed budgetary decisions.
You're a broken record, Eric. You've already rehashed your tired speculative argument before, even though Morey still doesn't have Dwight Howard or another point guard. One day you'll learn that reality doesn't fit your revisionist fantasy.
@Eric. You are incorrect: http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8168735/ian-oconnor-new-york-knicks-match-houston-rockets-offer-jeremy-lin . Knicks could have matched out of the gate at 4/24, but instead wanted "the free market" to set his price. If they were smart and wanted him that badly, they would have matched out right..idiots.
I'm almost positive that Jlin doesn't want to go back to NY. I just overheard Alan Han criticizing Jlin and saying that "if he really wanted to be with the Knicks, he would have just signed the initial 28 million deal". He also mentioned that "sources" close to Jeremy said he "was surprised that the Knicks aren't matching" and that he thought that was disingenuous. I laughed my ass off at this because I actually agree with him (not on the criticism of course). What is Jeremy supposed to say...I think the Knicks organization is a pos, Dolan is psychotic, Melo is an egomaniac that doesn't want to share the spotlight, on-court chemistry is bad in the club, and now you have a "premier" point guard hall of famer that is a wife-beater and drunk? I'm having so much fun with this. Jlin doesn't want to be a Knick anymore period. Let's hope the Knicks don't match out of spite or just to use him as trade bait for Paul later...I didn't think that's a possibility until I've been hearing what the "experts" are saying, but that may just happen.
Hahn's point is revisionist. There's also no evidence Lin didn't want to be a Knick, setting aside the off-putting drama of the last few days. Both your point and Hahn's point about signing the 4/28 assumes Lin believed or knew beforehand the Knicks wouldn't match 3/25, which doesn't appear to be the case. The public stance had been the Knicks would match any offer. And Lin seems surprised.Who knows. Maybe it'll come out later that Lin is not surprised because he does want to join the Rockets, was told confidentially the Knicks wouldn't match past a certain amount, and Lin did relay insider info to the Rockets. If that's how it went down, it hasn't come out yet.
@Eric, Let me ask you this question. Is it really that unbelievable that Jeremy feels slighted by the Knicks. Here are the facts:(1) Woodson flip-flops about him begin a starter next year(2) Knicks go buck-wild after Steve Nash which turns out to be unsuccessful. There's complete silence with regards to Lin.(3) They don't offer him a max initial contract which would have shut this thing down right off the bat. They probably thought they could get him for cheaper which is disrespectful.(4) I've had job offers sent out to me that were really good. If I wanted the job offer, I wouldn't push too hard for more money or benefits etc. out of fear that I would lose the opportunity. I believe that 4/28 is a decent number. Why would Jlin get Houston to match a higher number if he was that interested in staying with the Knicks? It doesn't make any sense. I don't believe Lin relayed any insider information. He's being scape-goated...it was all public knowledge. My 70 year old father knew about it.
houston would be a better place for linball. NY is a better chance to win a championship, but it's probably not going to happen because we already saw what happened last year. no chemistryplus melo and amare really aren't to lebron kobe durant levels. The knicks dont value Lin very much, because they would have seen this as a possibility and locked him down for less.
Also, Morey is a stat geek and knows how good Jlin can and will be. I'm sure he went into full throttle recruiting mode for Jeremy. It's a no brainer that Morey discussed with him the possibility of a team built around him and another superstar or two. In addition, I know he tempted him with the global branding and potential sponsorship's world-wide that Houston has already capitalized on with Yao. Lin wants out..I'm sure of it...and with good reason.
jlinisasuperhero, 1,2: Woodson has been consistent about saying Lin will be the starter, except when it comes to Nash. Nash would have started over Lin, so the answer depends on how much Lin respects Nash. When Kidd was signed, Kidd went out of his way to say he'd be fine as the back-up. I don't know what you mean by radio silence. The Knicks said they'd match any offer (true or not) and Lin was out on the market. Clearly, though, the Knicks want a conventional facilitator floor general PG and have some doubt about Lin adjusting to that role.3: A lot of Knicks fans are saying the same thing, but why the assumption that Lin was waiting for and would have accepted the Knicks offer right out the gate? If the Knicks didn't have Lin's early Bird rights, it would make sense because Lin would know the Knicks couldn't match a higher offer (Knicks over the cap, limited to MLE). But because Lin won his early Bird rights hearing, the Knicks could go over the cap to match an offer. Therefore, there seemed to be a mutual understanding Lin would explore the market and the Knicks would match, which I assume is why he hired Tanner. Did the Knicks hope they could get him cheaper? I'm sure they did, but the Knicks seemed comfortable with the idea he'd be more expensive, too, eg, the Knicks satisfaction with the 1st offer.4: Why indeed. Maybe Lin wants to leave the Knicks for the Rockets. Maybe he believed - as we all did - the Knicks would match any offer. Maybe he's fine with either starting at PG for the win-now Knicks or taking over as centerpiece for the rebuilding Rockets.Obviously, Morey wants Lin, but full throttle recruiting mode? He didn't guarantee or player-option a 4th year for Lin. Didn't for Asik's 'poison pill' contract either.
1,2- Woodson says 'right now' Jeremy is our starter. That's not a ringing endorsement: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/woody_lin_my_guy_LtfdtLg6F6zhCjrSz8z31K. How can we ever forget the infamous "rookies should sit and learn" comment? http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/knicks_turning_to_star_power_smki7eIIBNCKxLBA8XLwEK.Is this truly unfettered support? As for Morey going on full on recruiting, is his tweet not a clue to you? http://twitter.com/dmorey/.."Red Nation let's welcome @Jlin7 back..". They want Lin. They believe in him, and yes the Dwight Howard thing might be one reason they want to recruit him, but the bottom line is they believe he's a true talent. Woodson is tight with Larry Brown. I overheard Brown saying the thinks Lin is a backup point guard.
Somebody mentioned that Lin's name and products are removed from Knicks websites...wow! NY is the drama queen capital of the world. Can't wait to see how this drama plays out. Countdown begins! It's like New years and Christmas and Independence day all rolled into one. LOL.
Somebody on a Knicks blog asked the Knicks and was told that it's SOP to remove free agents from their products pages.
Were they still selling Landry Field's gear when he was a free agent ?
No idea. I didn't check myself.
carmelo says he wants lin to stay now http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ridiculous-carmelo-anthony-love-jeremy-lin-back-ny-knicks-article-1.1115914
he was never going to leave. hard to believe y'all listen to the media reports and think that he was going to become a rocket. Lin is worth 5 mill folks. will the big 4 play in 3 years? probably not, unless they win a championship the year before.
Who knows. Like Anthony said when he was criticized for the 'ridiculous' statement, it's not his call. Could be sincere. Could be PR make-up.
Carmelo is an idiot. He doesn't want to get blamed for Jeremy leaving especially since there was a ton of backlash with his "ridiculous contract" statement. The only thing that's ridiculous is a guy that makes more than Lebron James that is 1/100th the player.
Undoubtedly, Melo is an idiot with very low... close to ZERO IQ & EQ...LOL
All i got to say is victor cruz went undrafted people said he could t make it he took the gIants to the superbowl along with knicks and eli he played alll 17 plus games including football which is more contact and rougher then basketball and hes only geting paid 500 tousend bucks are you serious get lin out of newyork fastttttttt
Going by your logic(is there any?), new york should have gotten the overrated melo n a'mare out of NYK long ago!
Gt this hack out of newyork we dont need you at alll you took nothing by storm except his ego we got the giants knicks will be just fine with out you everybody tune in too the rockets next season lolololol
Actually, I agree. Get Lin out of New York.
I looked at a Youtube highlight reel of Felton with the Knicks.Felton and Lin could work together in the same backcourt. Felton is a better ballhandler than Lin and Lin is quicker and a better scorer than Felton. I've talked before how Lin and Kidd, always assuming Kidd still has game left, complement each other. The 3 PGs and JR Smith could be used in interesting combinations, if Woodson is creative enough.
Whether Jlin stay with Knicks or going to Rockets, we just have to sit back and with for the countdown till the last minute. All the Dick, John and Joe out there have nothing to do with the money came out from the owners' pockets. Rockets thrown the curveball and Knicks is playing hardball, all the finger pointing, scathing remarks and nasty criticism is the true picture of the glamour behind professional sports : JLIN need all the wisdom, faith and inner strength to deals with it and stand up again where he has fallen.
Some poor soul has nothing better to do than leaving their low IQ remarks at this site. Maybe this person need to brush up his vocabulary and re-arrange the sentences before the final product make to public.
Not for nothing but IDK how Lin got such a "Lin"sane offer from the Rockets. He hasn't done enough to deserve that kind of contract IMO. Not too mention he is coming off of knee injury that may reduce his explosiveness. He definitely provided a shot of adrenaline last year for the Knicks and seems to be a good person on a personal level but having said that I were in the Knicks hierarchy I would definitely not match Houston's offer.Good luck in Houston Jeremy!
Ah, here's a fine example of the kind of racist loser I battled in all my life. The historic start wasn't good enough for him. The 16-10 record wasn't good enough. The two years of team leading PER wasn't enough. The $300 million profit to the Knicks wasn't enough. Hater, I know where you're coming from. Jeremy Lin is not good enough to you because he's ASIAN. And you're not good enough for use because you're a RACIST.
Huang your an F'n retard you know that? Are you even a basketball fan or just a Lin nut hugger? Where did I say anything about race your dumb bastard? It's a matter of finances. He just simply hasn't done enough for long enough to justify that kind of payout.The novelty of Jeremy Lin will wear out sooner than Houston thinks. Based on what I have seen Lin do against good defensive teams (i.e. The Heat) he will prove to be a mediocre point guard.
Racist, I've PUNKED losers like you all my life. You wanna talk finances? Lin has already earned the Knicks $300 million in less than one year. He already paid for himself for the next 10 years for you to boo him. Your math STINKS if you aren't a racist. You also want to use one fatigued game against the league's best team to flame Lin. Of course, you won't acknowledge that Steve Nash and Deron Williams had WORSE games against the Heat, and they weren't fatigued from saving your sorry .300 team. You must think Nash and Williams are mediocre too then, since they did worse than Lin against the Heat. Kid, guys like you have come after me all my life. I've spent a lifetime kicking your butts with fact and reason.
Knicks will re-sign Jeremy. Dolan is a billionaire (i'm pretty sure multiple times over). That's 1,000 millions or 2,000 millions. We are talking only 15, 45, or 80 millions THREE years from now. There is no way any business willfully kills its golden calf. They'll sign him b/c yes they can afford him and this luxury tax. The Knicks are Dolan's toy, not his primary source of income. I'm pretty sure he would care less in this case and think purely about what Jeremy means to the stock price of MSG, and that's $600MM in market value to his shareholders since Feb 5, the day after Linsanity broke out.
Good logic, but the Knicks don't operate on logic. They do operate on PEER PRESSURE. There will be a tremendous NY backlash against Lin if the Knicks resign him. He could play GREAT and NY will hate Lin more than they hated Isiah Thomas or any nonwhite GM or player.Everything about this Lin deal is difficult for the Knicks. Having him on the roster is difficult. Writing about him in the media is difficult (Lin won't be the asexual nerdy Asian VILLAIN the NY tabloids want him to be), trading him is difficult (if other franchises don't want him now, they're not going to want him later), working the cap is difficult (huge tax increase, severely limits future roster flexibility), and negotiations are difficult (too muh schooling of the Knicks by Lin and his agent). NY at this point is the worst place in the worst place for Lin to be.
i agree on some of your points but disagree about backlash against lin. are you in NYC? people love him here. fans at the garden absolutely love him. and for $5M each for year 1 and 2, that's not unreasonable. and year 3, who knows, the knicks might get rid of both melo and STAT to get them off the books and all this rubbish is what it should always have been: moot.They'll sign him tonight at the last minute b/c it's dramatic and sensational. They'll sign him tonight b/c he makes money for the knicks and sells tickets tomorrow. And on the court, Jeremy will be fine. He's above any bickering and strong enough to handle criticism - hasn't he done that all his life? he plays so simply and unselfishly, that won't change. the minute he throws a melo 'oop or hits JR for an open 3, they'll just be ballin like playground.
i most agree that the knicks don't operate on logic - but i think money talks above all else, and J makes $$$ for too many people to be let go for absolute zero.
I've lived for decades in NYC but wisely got out, which was the right decision for me but not necessarily for others. If Lin is resigned, the media backlash will be swift. People will be swayed by that and the effort to run Lin out of town will begin. It happened with Mark Jackson, Rod Strickland, Isiah Thomas, Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, and other high profile point guards that the NY media didn't approve of. Lin isn't even signed and ALREADY it's starting. And as the NY media goes, so do its fans. That's how Patrick Ewing got run out of town. I would LIKE to agree with you, frankied2442. You have intelligent points. I've just been following the Knicks a little too long, so I am making some predictions based on what they have consistently done over the years.
I live in NY. Everyone still loves Lin. There will be no backlash, media changes their mind like a bunch of little girls.
I'm not going to claim I know Knick history since I'm from the Bay Area (NYC transplant) but I don't buy that backlash against Lin has started. Nothing I've read today suggests it; if anything support for signing him is growing more pro-signing than against...also it's ultimately the Knicks call not Jeremy. J is innocent. Free Jeremy!
Why would the Knicks wait at the last moment just to sign Lin??? It's not dramatic and sensational, it's freaking stupid.. This is business, there is no need to play it out like little bitches, and if the Knicks really wanted Lin, they'd sign him a long time ago... Linsanity in NY is done, and as for the Asian fan-base in NY, I'd expected better from you guys... That's not the way to embrace a beloved athlete you look up to...
of course it's sensational - lin is the #1 story on a number of media outlets and esentially made the entire NBA universe forget about a guy named Dwight Howard. the anticipation is driving traffic on the web, calls to radio stations, and people like us obsessing on these blogs. their business is media, and we sure are consuming more it waiting for them to "decide" on lin. they'll announce they are bringing lin back at 11:58 tonight
How does the Asian fans in NY react? I'm really curious.. Please some one enlighten me.
This whole ordeal is more of a freak show and just plain ridiculous, no need to drag this thing out even further... I'd expect Lin to be a Rocket by 11:59PM and finally he can escape from this circle jerk of a franchise...
I expect a spike in the number of NBA League Pass purchases.
Not that I think Jeremy affect the stock market that much, but Monday's MSG stock price drop was worth about $50mil.http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2012/07/16/mondays-msg-market-cap-drop-would-have-paid-for-lin-contract/"The 64-cent drop in MSG stock equates to a market capitalization loss of about $49 million."
Is it too late to make money by shorting MSG stock?
Phil, it isnt too late to short MSG stock.
It's already over. Even without an official statement, the Knicks have taken down Lins name from their list of players on their website and are no longer selling his merchandise. He's going to Houston. Now we just need him to come out and tell what actually happened.
The Road to Houston has begun... I'll welcome Jeremy with one of those 10 gallon hat and the best barbeque steak in the world!!!
Knicks were stupid to show their cards too early by yapping that no matter what they'll match Houston's offer. Having seen their opponents position of Houston was smart to up the ante. But I hope Knicks don't match. With all that's happened in the past few weeks going back to NY will be a bad situation for Lin to be in.
I'm really hoping that Knicks DO NOT MATCH. I would have been on he fence before all this side show crap. There are many NY fans that want Lin to stay and I can understand that being a NY Knicks, but to me the past statements from Woodson about JLin (the negative ones), the recent comments by Melo and JR and all the crap from Media I'm really hoping JLin gets a fresh start with a franchise that will Love him. I believe he will have that in Houston. Anyway if you are intrested this is a good read of how many of the Knick JLin fans feel :)http://knickerblogger.net/robert-and-jim-talk-about-stuffCheers
The NBA is unveiling its new unReality show tonight:The Decision, Part DeuxStarring James Dolan and the New York Knicks "brain" trust--with a special cameo by Carmelo Anthony.It will be more drama than Jersey Shore and Keeping up with the Kardashians combined!Seriously though, this entire episode is ridiculous with so many roller coaster plot twists that it almost makes you think the NBA is deliberately scripting it so as to keep fan interest during the off season.Here's the latest twist with a tweet from Melo:More Melo on #Lin: "With Jeremy, I know he definitely wants to be back in New York & Dolan definitely wants him back."This is Significant…http://www.theknicksblog.com/2012/07/17/this-is-significant/#disqus_thread
For what it's worth, Raymond Felton believes he is the starting PG.And if the Knicks do match the offer sheet from Houston, they will do so only as a way to keep JLin as a trade chip.Felton to start over Kidd for Knickshttp://www.nypost.com/f/print/sports/knicks/felton_to_start_J8b9aAw6Kfjc0EyOO7aVrLSo the Knicks, who claim to be in WIN NOW mode, want to keep Felton over JLin, even though the latter performed better last year. Meanwhile, the Knicks are still bickering with the Rockets over whether the deadline is actually tonight.Knicks feud with Rockets over Lin’s deadlinehttp://www.nypost.com/f/print/sports/knicks/knicks_feud_with_rockets_over_phenom_r3odM20fq4TEN2oiFWqIyLWe might be doing The Decision again tomorrow night.What a joke New York is. They make the WWE and pro wrestling seem dignified in comparison.
Seriously guys, i want to know how Asian fans particularly in NY or U.S in general felt about this situation? Coz i'm quite shocked to know that some are buying in to the media lies. eventhough i'm not in the U.S right now, is still know better and never bought to those lies since day 1. I'm so freaking enrage right now!! i feel like slicing Stephen A head with a Samurai blade. That's how angry i am with that ape face and those racist journalist!!! The only thing that i would believe why JLin is screwing is Knicks over is because he wants out!! he can't stand with thugs like Melo and J.R. Please just enlighten me on how those asian fans there react to the drama. I hope they stand by him cause it looks like an attack that have to do more with him being asian!! Sorry i'm just too boiled up right now.
I'm Asian and lived most of my life in NY, so I'll respond. I'm happy that Lin is going to get paid fairly. That's the most important thing. Haters of Lin who feel he doesn't deserve that contract should take that up with whatever franchise is paying him, not with Lin's supporters. Right now Houston thinks Lin is worth the big contract, so the Rockets should be the target of Lin's haters. I personally don't care where Lin plays. There are pitfalls and benefits to wherever he goes. If Lin is buried on the bench in NY, then so be it. He could be buried in the bench in Houston too, for all we know. Lin will PLAY, and he will PRODUCE like he always has. In my mind, Jeremy Lin is already a hero for being able to succeed in the NBA against all odds. Anything after that is gravy and luxury tax.
Your comment is racey. Race doesn't have to do with anything, unless you look to it as an excuse. It's a problem, but one that is overcome by understanding your own determination and support from friends will allow you and Jeremy to accomplish the impossible. Jeremy will get a nice contract, probably signed by the knicks. And the Knicks will work it out because they all want the same thing, to win and the only way to do it is together.
I hope your wrong on the Knicks part, and I dont want him buried on the bench. What team is going to pay 25million dollars and sit him on the bench. You think the media is bad now if he doesnt start after all this I wouldnt want to be the coach, gm or owner of whatever stupid team makes that decision...just saying. He will play, I'm 50/50 with Knicks, He's better off in Houston, everyone will love him again once he starts pileing on the numbers and I can tell SAS he's a douche bag in a tweet. Thats my dream.
Yes iwishiwasalittlebittaller, my comment is VERY RACEY. Race is what the Jeremy Lin phenomenon is all about. If he were any other color than Asian, his life would have taken a dramatically different course. Racism isn't overcome by politely toeing the anti Asian establishment line. It's defeated by Jeremy Lin stomping into the NBA and punking all the haters that though he wasn't good enough to play in the league.
Oh please this is JLin fan forum, and no one goes here unless you are a die hard fans and i'm pretty sure 99% of us here are Asians or maybe not. But anyway i'm not starting a race war here. I just want to clearly pointed out to y'all that Stephen A is one of the most influential sports media person in the country. he can certainly influence a lot of people with his bias opinion. For the last few days he's been 24/7 on espn trying to rip apart not only his basketball skills but also his character. He called the kid big heads, cocky, and what not. The guy basically bashed him to the ground while defending thugs like Melo & J.R?? and please if you have any better excuses that this is not about race??? Oh yeah the Ny daily news and ny post have basically done the same thing. That Frank ASShola from daily news, boy couldn't be more clear with his hatred towards Lin, just read his tweets. Months ago basically all the Asians in America were behind this dude, they even go as far to defend him in public against all those racist headlines, tweets and so on. where are they now?? now that Linsanity are not so hot anymore, they're turning there backs against him?? What a shame!! I think this is the when he needs our support the most.
Haters will hate, you can't do anything about it. NYC is worse just because its a large market. Stephen A. Smith/Frank Isola are tools, I don't even bother reading their trash.In the end Jeremy will be recognized for what he can do, not what people perceived him to be, its just going to take time. When HOFs all say he's the real thing, even Walt Frazier backs him up during MSG broadcasts esp during summer league, I tend to believe them than some idiot with a big mouth.I applaud Lin for keeping calm and focusing on training while all this garbage is going on. There's a lot of misinformation out there, typically written by people who just wants PVs, even if it means smearing someone's reputation.Overpaid, unproven, overrated, overhyped...For each of these cons there are plenty of rebuttals for them, and its pretty obvious they don't actually watch the games. There is no integrity in journalism anymore, its all biased, because for some reason they think people want a dramatized version of the truth. It takes someone with unshakable faith and determination to be able to withstand slandering like this, and Jeremy has proven to be that person.
I'll be happy whever Lin lands. He's earned it, no doubt. But I definitely prefer Houston over New York (especially if Rockets can land Dwight Howard).In NY, Lin will be loved, but Lin will also be criticized. NY media is going to added more stress because that is what they do. However, I am more worried about the tension and criticism he will receive by his current teammates who might be jealous due to the attention and salary Lin will be getting. His current teammates simply aren't as humble and team-oriented as Landry/Jeffries. Lin will start and get them into the playoffs. Lin will do his job, but he will not fun.In Houston, Lin will be loved. Hopefully D12 comes to Houston and he can become the media lightning rod. Houston has some fantastic young talent (Lamb, White, Jones). There will be less drama and the keys are handed to Jeremy. He might even get the old guys (Hedo, J.Rich, Duhon, etc) to be interested in playing again. He'll go through struggles as a young PG on a young team, but he'll learn quickly and get better. The fans and coaching staff in Houston will be more patient in watching Lin grow, than those in NY. Lin will start and I sincerely believe he will get them into the playoffs. Lin will do his job, but you wouldn't know it- because he will be having so much fun.
I'm paying to watch Lamb and Lin in Houston. I'll tune in to the Knicks to watch some Melo ball so I can laugh a little.
I'm an NBA fan, so I will follow the Knicks like I do every other team. Before Lin popped on the scene, I was following Minnesota when they picked up Darko Milicic and Indiana because I though Roy Hibbert was terrific and that Larry Bird was doing a fabulous job. Occasionally I check in on the Suns, and I'm relieved New Orleans matched on Eric Gordon. I like the Scola move very much and am unsure about what Goran Dragic will really bring to the Suns. And I'm definitely NOT a fan of Kendall Marshall who I don't think is a NBA pg. I stopped following Larry Bird and Roy Hibbert once they made the playoffs and Hibbert became a max contract All Star. I will probably stop following Lin once he firmly establishes himself over the course of a full NBA season. Once I move on from Lin, I'll target another unsung guy to follow. I've got my eye on Dallas's Jae Crowder as my Linplacement.
As an Asian American, I follow wherever Lin plays like I did when I became Knicks fan. All these hoopla are not necessary. Capitalism is what Lin is doing, getting most out of it as long as someone is willing to pay. If Knicks are not comfortable in matching then don't. And let Lin be. It's totally uncalled for to smear him like now. He derseves what his market value is. Let's move on and enjoy basketball. Go Lin!
Yao should come out of retirement. LOL
Can't believe people complaing about Lin's contract when Kris Humphries just reach a deal for a two year deal for $24million with the Nets. Lmao!!! that's a 'ridiculous' contract!"The Nets didn't disclose terms, but a source close to the situation told ESPN.com's Marc Stein that Humphries agreed to a two-year, $24 million contract."Hoping Lin goes to Houston but I think Dolan will match the contract at the 11th hour to get payback at Morey. Either way Lin will SHINE wherever he plays.
No, Kris Humphries signed a FAIR contract. He is a double double player and the best player on the Nets. Humphries battles opposing frontcourts by himself and is the physical anchor of the Nets. I consider him the Eastern Conference poor man's Blake Griffin. I am a big Kris Humphries fan and feel that he's one of the better true power forwards in the NBA. His Kim Kardashian issues don't register on my basketball radar.
No one get into NBA by luck, everyone players in NBA have more than above average skill; what they need is a chance to play.
Michael Wilbon and Chris Broussard discuss Jeremy Lin's future during ESPN PTIhttp://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8175098 @00:50Good to hear they came to Jeremy's defense in more "leaks" trying to slander and put the blame on Jeremy. At least there are "normal" journalists out there.
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