"Jeremy Lin"er's
- Knicks lose at Pacers (first game after Jeremy's surgery): Recap: Pacers 112 Knicks 104 | TheKnicksBlog.com
- Jeremy's Q & A after surgery, funny stuff: Jeremy Lin Holds Post-Surgery Q&A With Facebook Fans - Speakeasy - WSJ
- A well written article: Requiem for a Lin -- The Sports Section
- The Rise of Jeremy Lin:
back to the pre-linsanity days :). woodson you got your wish.
ReplyDeleteTrue. But Anthony got his wish more than Woodson.
DeleteI almost started tearing up when I saw the rise of Jeremy Lin video and the requiem article for two reasons: (1) I'm suffering from serious linsanity withdrawal (2) I was thinking of how great it would have been had Melo not mailed the season in and Dantoni had continued coaching the Knicks. I think the system was and would have been really perfect for Jeremy. The basketball was beautiful to watch and the Knicks played incredible offense/defense during the 7 game win streak.
ReplyDeleteIt pains me to have watched him transition into an extremely important role player when I know that his talent level far exceeds that. Jeremy is the type of player you can build upon because he elevates the play of his entire team. In a Dantoni spaced system and with teammates that are actually trying, the real linsanity would have continued on had Carmelo never come back. In contrast, Carmelo does not make his teammates better, and in fact detracts from the team (31 shots tonight...that can't be good).
I know the argument to this will be that the Knicks are winning with Woodson 9-3, and why should I care. I care because they are winning with defense and rebounding, but their offense has really looked stagnate at times. Woodson's offensive philosophy is to cater to Carmelo and Jeremy's role is just a distributor.
This has been clear with the number of shots Jeremy has taken at times. It's clearly not as fun to watch and I think it will only get you so far in terms of wins. Either Carmelo needs to go or a coach with major clout will need to come in to fix this and build a system that favors both Jeremy and Carmelo if that's even possible.
Anyway, whatever happens, I have faith that Jeremy will be one of the NBA greats someday. My biggest concern for him is injury...we'll see what happens. I really hope that this doesn't turn into another Yao thing.
What are you talking about? they played terrible defense. They played a ton of teams well below .500 and let the teams score 100 or more points, that's not good defense. Listen to what you are saying, "D'Antoni's system was perfect for Lin" You are being a hypocrite, should it be perfect for the team? that systems has never made it past the second round of the playoffs. Well since you are probably a "New" fan I would not expect you to know that. D'Antoni does not preach defense, he simply tries to out score teams. History lesson for you... All the teams that has won Championships has done it with defense, not out scoring teams. The Knicks are playing the best defense since the Patrick Ewing an Oakly days. Please learn the game before posting your comments. You guys really suck as fans of the sport. Lin is an average player with average at best skills. For the sake of the Knicks, I do hope Lin lives up to the Hype, but he has a lot of work to do.
DeleteP.S.: The reason under Woodson Lin has look like a distributor is because that is the job of the PG (point guard) his Job is to PASS (Distribute) the ball. The PG is supposed to be high in ASSIST (distribute) not points.
Again, please learn the game of basketball before posting.
P.S again, If it came down to Carmelo or Lin, it would definitely be Lin we all know that. He is not a Franchise player. He can put up numbers with the Elite teams, just look what happened when he played Miami and Chicago, Lin could not do anything. The fact of the matter is, Carmelo is one of the most difficult players to guard in the league, when the knicks needs points, that who they are going to go to.
DeleteThe reason Dantoni's system in Phx never got past the second round of the playoffs was because of Kobe, Dirk, and Duncan.
DeleteIt is TOTAL BS that Dantoni doesn't preach defense. His Suns team had very good defensive statistics despite an extremely fast pace. Besides, NO defense has ever stopped Kobe and Dirk and Tim in the playoffs.
I watched those Ewing Oakley defensive teams for many years. In the playoffs, they kept running into great individual talents that OUTSCORED them like Jordan and Olajuwon. Defense limits opponents, but the ball has to be put in the basket on offense. Ewing's teams always had a problem with that, and that's why they weren't championship caliber. Same with Dantoni's Suns and now his Knicks who ranked 10th in the NBA defensively this year but were like 24th offensively until Jeremy Lin turned the season around.
Against Miami, Lin was fighting a major fatigue problem and was only in like his 10th game as a starter. Against Chicago, he outplayed Derrick Rose in the first half and was let down in the 2nd half by mutineering teammates and the refs and STILL almost won the game. Lin didn't do anything against Miami yes, but he did A LOT against Derrick Rose and Chicago.
This is a Jeremy Lin fan board with EXTREMELY ASTUTE veteran observers of the game. Repeateadly you have been called out for posting incorrect facts, just like right now. So don't go around flaming people when it is you who need to check your history first.
Again, please learn the game of basketball before posting.
@UNKNOWN,
DeleteI love your post. You are calling the majority of us ignorant about basketball which is laughable. How is your background relevant to your argument that Lin essentially sucks? You remind me of one of those arrogant guys (yeah everyone knows one) who basically in not so many words says, "Since I went to Yale (no offense to anyone who did..Yale education is impressive of course) you should listen to me because I know what I'm talking about...."...hilarious. Tons of idiot CEOS who have all the relevant education credentials in the world have brought down the biggest and best companies.
Your arguments are based on a bunch of emotions...This is not a marriage counseling session. Make arguments based on fact and not emotional tantrums. Here's a real argument for 2012:
Jlin- +/-142 (highest on the knicks), W-L with him 21-3, Win % 61.8 percent
Anthony-
Anthony- +/-75, W-L with him 22-21, Win % 51.2 percent
Rondo- +/- 111, W-L with him 24-14, Win % 58.5 perecent
Lin's PER is 19.9 and Rondo is 17.8. Enough said..@Unknown bring on the stats or bring on the emotion, but save it for the marriage counseling. The only thing that will stop jlin is injury.
To unknown,
DeleteWill you please get out of this site? This is Lin fans site!
Unknown, melo or W's relative or whatever:
DeleteGo to where you belong. Stop spying and trolling.
Admin, help!
Granger's dig to Melo speaks it all "he got his 39 but we got the win". But Melo may still think he did a great job and just his teammates let him down. Well if this type of game can't teach Melo and Woodson anything they will never learn.
ReplyDeleteMelo did do a great Job, if you watch the game they were up 17 until he went to the bench with 1.36 seconds left. when he got back on the floor they were only up 8. The only reason the pacers did not run away with the game is because Melo was making shots. No one else could hit a shot. Did you really watch the game?
DeleteThe Knicks lost, so there are less Anthony lovers (Lin haters) commenting on the net, which is good in a sense because so many of them post with really bad language and unsupported accusations against Lin.
ReplyDeleteThese days when the Knicks lose, Anthony supporters mention all three (3) missing players (Stoudemire, Jeffries, Lin, usually in that order). But when the Knicks win, they say it's because Lin isn't playing. I'm not talking about writers/columists.
The Knicks current lineup is almost (but not quite) the same as pre-Linsanity days; the only thing different is that they are without Stoudemire and Jeffries, but they also have added J.R. Smith (a highly paid 3-point specialist) who wasn't part of the team before. And as for injuries, all teams are pretty much in the same boat.
Hate to burst your bubble melo haters, but the Knicks lost because of a total 4th quarter meltdown by the whole team. Infact melo's points gave the Knicks the lead for most of the night. As much as I'd rather Lin being the focal point of the Knicks, melo is far to blame for the loss tonight.
ReplyDeleteHugh... I understand people here love Lin, but it shows that they know nothing about basketball. The only reason the knicks was in the game was because of Melo. They were up 17 when the coach rested him and when he got back on the floor they were only up 8. If he had not took over the offense they would have lost by more. Lin can not take the Knicks far in the Playoff, he is an unproven average at best PG. I understand people love Lin because he came from the bottom, but He is not what the Hype is making him out to be. He is far from it.
DeleteYeah, and the Knicks beat this exact same Pacers team TWICE with Lin and easily too.
DeleteThat's because Lin is a great player who deserves the hype. Among Lin's great statistics is his incredible 4th quarter PER that is 2nd in the entire NBA to Chris Paul. Against this Pacers team, the Knicks could have used Lin's 4th quarter production.
You don't know that Lin can or cannot take the Knicks far in the playoffs. That's just speculative haterade on your part if you think he can't. My guess is that Lin would RAISE his production in the playoffs, given his proven history to excel when the pressure is on. But let's get him into a playoffs and see what happens.
Lin is all the hype and more. The statistics point to a great young player who will only get better as he learns the NBA. We accurately predicted stardom for Lin and not even your flaming will sway us otherwise.
Like I told you earlier, don't come on this board to flame people and then not expect to get called out on it.
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ReplyDeleteMake no mistake. Melo is playing great of late. And without Lin and Amare, the Knicks need him to be a ball-hog.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that Melo has trouble scoring when he's asked to play in a team and motion-oriented system. Moving without the ball. Being patient. Attacking right off the catch. And before Woodson, he slacked off on defense and rebounding too (so did Amare).
Unless you have an MJ, a Kobe, a Lebron, your point guard should be your primary ball-handler. Melo is simply not on that level. Even Durant has to split touches with his PG (Westbrook). We'll see what happens next season when Melo and Lin have the summer to work out and a full training camp and preseason to develop chemistry.
But if they don't figure it out by then, Jeremy must go elsewhere. Nets? Suns? Raptors? Lakers? He will have several great options where he can reach his full potential.
You sort of make sense, but you want him to go to the Nets, suns, or Raptors? Those are Horrible teams lmao. Lin is going to have to figure out how to play with Melo and Stats, just like Mario Charmers figure it out with Lebron and wade, Rondo figure it out with Allen, Paul and KG. BTW MJ, and Kobe played/play the 2 (shooting Guard) it's not uncommon for them to know how to handle the ball, Melo plays the 3-4. When Lin is in the Game Melo lets him handle the ball the majority of the time. Do you even watch the games?
DeleteAlso, J-Lin fans need to stop rooting for the Knicks to lose.
ReplyDelete1) With Lin AND Amare out, neither Melo nor Woodson would (or should) be blamed for missing the playoffs.
2) Jeremy could still be healthy in time for an amazing playoff run. I know people think it's a major risk to come back this season, but you guys aren't doctors (nor am I).
Look, if Jeremy was smart and cautious enough to get surgery on an injury others have played through, he's smart and cautious enough to play ONLY if it's safe to do so.
I actually root for them to win as much as they can as I also would like to watch Jeremy in the playoffs but sorry I can't be very fond of this kind of iso no movement basketball. Also I don't want Melo and Woodson to think this kind of act can get them very far and dismiss the importance of Jeremy at every chance of their every win without Jeremy.
Delete2 assists in the whole 2nd half. This is boring basketball.
DeleteI feel bad for Chandler, Fields, Novak and Jeffries though. These guys have played so hard. I started out just a JLin fan, but have grown to like these players too. I hope the knicks win as much as they can for their sake
DeleteI love Chandler, one of JLin's favorite targets, those two are like peas and carrots. I dont like this isolation ball play, I mean I dont mind mixing it in but not every friggen time down the court. It promotes very little sharing. I knew Woodson would go there and watch thats all he will have this team doing the rest of the season. Boring. I like Melo..good to see his shots going down. I think the post Woodson win streak where lots of scorers participated is ideal to me.
DeleteI LOVE isolation basketball.
DeleteI also love motion basketball.
There are times when a stiff defense shuts down cutters and passing lanes. Jeremy Lin has been shut down this way. He needs guys like Stat or Melo to throw and easy pass to and stand aside so that they can attack the gaps.
There are times when stiff defenses clamp down on isolation players and the ball needs to be moved around to other guys to get easy scores. Jeremy Lin has been the prime beneficiary of those bailout passes, and he's done a fabulous job of attacking the gaps.
The Knicks need both Lin and Anthony to play well together in BOTH isolation AND motion schemes.
Thanks for the post! The requiem article is especially touching, read the comments to the article as well. Looks like all the Lin fans are having lindrawal
ReplyDeleteAfter reading all the comments on here, I have come to the realization that you people know nothing about basketball. Here, we have a bunch of new fans aka Lin Fans talking about what they would done if the turnover factor called Lin was playing. Let me make an attempt to educate you folks a little bit about basketball. I played High school and college ball btw and been playing since the age of 7. Lin will probably be a good player one day, but he is nowhere near a CP3, a Rondo, D-will, Steve Nash, a Jason kid or a Tony Parker. Carmelo is a defensive nightmare for any player or team in the league, you can not guard him one on one, so you double. He has been doing a great job of passing out of the double team, playing great defense. He left the ball game with the team up 17 1.36 seconds left in the 3rd quarter. When he returned, the team was only up 8, and did not take a shot until the team was up 4. the only reason they did not get blown out was because melo took over the game. No one was hitting any shots so they gave him the ball and he went to work. He score 8 points to keep the knicks in the game.
ReplyDeleteLin fans, there is a reason he was not offered an athletic scholarship to Harvard, there is a reason he was not drafted into the NBA, there is a reason he got sent to the D-league 3 times once he made it. He did well under D'Antoni because he was allowed to average 7 turnovers againg (for the new basketball fans, that is consider terrible) D'Anotoni did not say anything. What happened with Lin went up against Rondo, D-will and the Miami heat? I will tell you guys... ready? He got spanked. Lin is not a basketball God, he is an average role player with average skills. He may be good one day, but he is not there yet. I am a true Knicks fan, I do hope he can live up to the hype, but you new basketball fans need to learn about the sport before you start running your mouth and spewing the trash that you guys are on this and other websites. the Knicks will not go anywhere without Melo and stats and that's just the fact of it. Lin is nothing special, he is not the savor of the knicks and basketball, sorry to tell you "fans". Good Day folks.
Dont come to this forum saying people here dont know basketball like your some expert. Your comments above tell us all here your basketball scouting skills. Why are you comparing Lin to seasoned verteran elite PG's who make 8-10 million/year? That just doesnt make sense. JLin is a rookie pretty much who flat out was overlooked by all the "experts" and apparently "true" knick fans like you. I'm no spring chicken and have been a basketball fan all my life I see more than an average player and so do many others including true basketball players, the pro ones.. Again above you single out 1 game against Miami to say "SEE" he got spanked. All true basketball fans know players have bad games. For the first entire half of this season Melo was in a bad slump. I'm a knicks fan and I love the way JLin plays basketball, invigorated (apparently not all) of the Knicks fans and the team.
DeleteDamn you are annoying. Did you make it to the nba? Bam. Did Melo get traded from Denver because he was not a franchise player who could win a championship? Bam. Melo is no god like you think he is. You'll be a long suffering knicks fan if you rested your hopes in him. Who'd you rather watch a knicks team w/o Lin or the current Nuggets team? If you choose the former, you're a sorry ass player who doesnt fundamental bball
DeleteUnknown - you're an idiot.
DeleteI am a Lakers and Kobe fan, but I hate when Kobe takes most of the shots and hogs the ball. It's fine when they win but not when they lose. The difference betw. Kobe and melo is kobe wins more often than lose, that's why he is a franchise player and melo is not. Your not a franchise player until you play good to great defense and gives it 110% no matter the circumstances. Anyways I digress. The point is you want to share the ball so you dont ice your teammates, who can miss just a simple shot cuz they havent touched the ball much. Thats just common sense. Listen to Callipari and how he and the team won the ncaa championship, by ball and player movement so everybody had a chance to touch the ball and score.
DeleteUnknown, you are a RACIST idiot.
DeleteTake your Asian haterade and flush it down some other website. How dare you have to nerve to call a California state hoops champ, Bob Cousy finalist, and Rising Star participant NBA and D1 unworthy.
Let's not forget Rondo's poor shooting percentage or Derrick Rose's awful night despite ref help. Besides, Lin kept the Knicks in it until the end despite the team mutiny.
Any hater like you who thinks that Lin didn't deserve a D1 scholarship is a RACIST.
Knicks will likely have a first round exit in quick fashion without Jeremy. Next year with Jeremy, there will be a much longer run into the playoffs, and should be able to handle the Bulls. Jeremy is a proven winner, and has been overlooked his whole life. Him getting to this point despite what others think of him, just proves that if you have faith in god that all things are possible.
DeleteMelo was excellent yesterday. Baron Davis was horrible. Put the blame where it belongs!
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DeleteUnknown (Huss) get out of here and go back to Knicksnow.com to troll.
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DeleteUnknown is a mole (like I'd said before) in this Lin's fan site, and I believe he or she is a black person (and I like black people very much - and like decent people of ANY race). I think that's why Unknown felt the need to state "I'm Asian" and asking to pray about the Asian Christian shooting incident (I don't disagree, but it shouldn't be posted here). NO ONE CARES IF ANYONE HERE IS ASIAN OR NOT, but people posting here should be Jeremy Lin fans. Unknown HAS TO BE either related to, friends with, or die-hard fan of Anthony and/or Woodson. As such Unknown DOES NOT BELONG HERE and needs to stop infiltrating this site all the time since stumbling in here.
DeleteThis is Jeremy Lin's *fan* site !!! NOT Anthony's.
I'm sure you belong to Anthony's fan site or "anything goes" site where you do bash Lin all the time with no bases. I have a feeling that you may be one of those people who inundate the net with 20, 30, or 100 obnoxious Lin-hating Anthony-loving comments after Knicks articles.
Lin fans are far more reasonable. I don't think any of true Lin fans here visit and bombard any of your Anthony fan sites with their comments. I've never even searched for Anthony fan site (nor will I try to register if I ever stumble across it) in order to post; If I try that, I"M SURE I'D BE BANNED - even if my comments would be true with supporting facts and would be mild, unlike your posts in here.
Unknown is a mole (like I'd said before) in this Lin's fan site, and I believe he or she is a black person (and I like black people - and like decent people of any nationality). I think that's why Unknown felt the need to state "I'm Asian" and asking to pray about the Asian Christian shooting incident (I don't disagree, but it shouldn't be posted here). No one really cares if anyone here is Asian or not, but people posting here should be Jeremy Lin fans. Unknown has to be either related to, friends with, or die-hard fan of Anthony and/or Woodson. As such Unknown needs to stop infiltrating this site all the time since stumbling in here.
DeleteThis is Jeremy Lin's fan site. Not Anthony's.
I'm sure you belong to Anthony's fan site or "anything goes" site where you bash Lin all the time. I have a feeling that you may be one of those people who inundate the net with 20, 30, or 100 obnoxious comments after Knicks articles.
Lin fans are far more reasonable. I don't think any of true Lin fans here visit and bombard any of your Anthony fan sites with their comments. I've never even searched for Anthony fan site (nor will I try to register if I ever stumble across it) in order to post; If I try that, I'm sure I'd be kicked out - even if my comments would be true with supporting facts and would be mild, unlike your posts in here.
Unknown is a mole here, and he or she has to be either related to, friends with, or die-hard fan of Anthony and/or Woodson.; thus felt the need to claim "I am Asian". No one really cares if anyone here is Asian or not, but people posting here should be Jeremy Lin fans. As such Unknown needs to stop infiltrating this site all the time since stumbling in here.
DeleteThis is Jeremy Lin's fan site. Not Anthony's.
I'm sure you belong to Anthony's fan site or "anything goes" site where you bash Lin all the time. I have a feeling that you may be one of those people who inundate the net with 20, 30, or 100 comments after Knicks articles.
Lin fans are far more reasonable. I don't think any of true Lin fans here visit and bombard any of your Anthony fan sites with their comments. I've never even searched for Anthony fan site (nor will I try to register if I ever stumble across it) in order to post; If I try that, I'm sure I'd be kicked out - even if my comments would be true with supporting facts and would be mild, unlike your posts in here.
I guess that unknown just jealous at Lin, just ignore this unknown idiot!
DeleteWhat a coward. and idiot posting this trash and then leaving. jlinfan can you delete this post? he's not coming back.
DeleteMelo was playing great, until they switched Danny Granger to defend him .... Same thing with the 76ers Andre Igoudala, and Miami's Shane Battier, they completely shut him down in the post, did not even need to double team.
DeleteSo yes, Carmelo can score against sub-par defenders in an iso game.
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ReplyDeleteIIRC, Carmelo Anthony was interviewed during All-Star Weekend by Stephen A. Smith and he said (paraphrase) "there is a difference between starter and star in NBA, and difference between star and super star" (I think inference was Melo vs. Lin during height of Linsanity).
ReplyDeleteThere is also a difference between a talented prolific scorer (Melo) and winner (Lin) in NBA.
When Lin takes a lot of shots or scores a lot of points, it is usually because the TEAM needs that effort to win.
When Melo insists on taking a lot of shots and scoring a lot (at the expense of everyone else on court), the team has to try and win despite him.
No doubt Melo is a supremely talented scorer and needs to be workhorse for Knicks offense when both Stat and Lin are out, but he has to trust that his teammates can help him win game during whole game so they just all don't stand around and watch Melo go iso.
Melo scores above 30 against both Atlanta and Indiana, and both result is ugly to watch losses for Knicks.
Lin goes for 38 against Lakers, and all of those points were needed to win (he had to hit key jumpers down stretch while Kobe was launching his one man comback in fourth quarter).
Palo Alto coach Peter Diepenbrock holds up two fingers when listing Lin's priorities.
Delete"Making plays and winning games," he said.
Palo Alto won 32 of them this season (losing only one), including a 51-47 upset of nationally ranked Mater Dei for the CIF State Division II title at Arco Arena two weeks ago. Most of the victories were lopsided.
But Diepenbrock swears, in every jaw-grinding, lip-biting, palm-sweating situation, Lin made the pivotal play to win.
"It was uncanny," Diepenbrock said. "You could bank on him every time."
You think Diepenbrock's blowing smoke? He recalled every game-winner.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/04/02/SPG6FI1UJF1.DTL
Even though that was high school competition and this is the NBA, like Coach D'Antoni said, Lin's speed, court vision, and heart aren't going anywhere. The ability to penetrate, get fouled or score (Lin was apparently a really good shooter as a kid, but around 8th grade when he got strong enough to shoot ball from over his head, his mechanics got messed up), and his Eli Manning like true gift (to almost see plays develop before they unfold and deliver ball precisely to right spot at right time, particularly in transition), can make him the special sauce that takes a good team and makes them great. Novak went off in Reno first and only time he played with Lin, and Lin's dribble drive penetration and precise passing got him open looks in rhythm that ignited his own run of great performances. All the alley-oops to Chandler and those awesome lobs in transition for slams by Fields or Shump, Lin rarely misses them but others trying to emulate him often make same play look like careless turnover.
Baron Davis does seem to have better court vision when he is in heavy traffic around rim and wish he would just stick with simple, fundamental basketball and just do his job.
Jeremy will improve his spot up shooting over the summer. Doc said he needs to develop the mentality that he is ready to pull the trigger, without thinking if he is open or not.
ReplyDeleteSame goes with Melo. Melo is a superstar player, but if he practices his spot up shooting, will mesh well with Jeremy. Right now he prefers holding the ball for a few seconds to figure out where his defender is, then uses his length to shoot over them by employing a triple threat technique.
It's incredibly effective and nearly unstoppable except when someone his length and agility is guarding him. As such, a wonderful end of shot clock and game closer.
Employing pick and rolls, or penetration allows higher percentage layups, dunks, for three point plays, and open threes. Also it makes the opponent expend energy on the defensive end.
All the melo haters need to stop. Yes, superstars get egos, they are confident in clutch situations, same as Jeremy. However, Jeremy is on a very talented team in the best city for marketing and spreading his truth.
Stoudemire began to improve defensively and offensively when he saw that the knicks could win without him, I think Melo just needs to expand his game. The three point shot is a dagger in basketball and Melo simply has to improve other parts of his game in order to make the knicks a championship team. And Jeremy still has much to prove to become a superstar, despite the fact that he has the people behind him, like a tebow or yao.
Look, unless the knicks play better as a team, they will get a low seed and first round exit. Maybe not even make the playoffs. Then all this is moot, we will wait until next season for the jeremy lin show to begin and hopefully the knicks to gel and improve together. The jeremy lin show will make superstars in stoudemire and melo feel unappreciated.
The truth is, so many people only see jeremy lin highlights and only watch knicks games for jeremy. The people include many people in the overseas market, and number greatly. Unless they change the rules of the all star game voting, Jeremy will be a 7+ time all star many years in a row.
Jeremy is humble, smart, and team player. I think in time Melo will be able to coexist, in fact play well together. It will require Jeremy to prove himself, improve, and Melo to recognize that basketball is an ever changing game.
I am optimistic that all will happen, not necessarily set in stone, the glass is half full, and I wouldn't want Lin on the lakers (wouldn't happen anyways) or some lesser team. Haters who are blind that the knicks and jeremy lin are a great fit, need to check themselves before they create a buzz that could ruin the knicks chance.
I am sorry I highly doubt melo will improve spot up shooting or anything for that matter. he was in the league for how many years if he would like to improve himself he should have already done so but I don't really see any improvement in his game I am afraid what we see is who he is now he won't change. I have actually watched melo a bit since he and lebron got drafted on the same year. today's melo is not different than the one 5 years ago while someone like lebron has improved his D, post game and actually keeps expanding his game every year. it's quite sad really because in the past people could actually make arguement who is better between the two and who should have won roy. now see how far apart the two are.
DeleteSo many grammatical errors. Nice rant. I now see that you are one of the haters. #Blind
DeleteCara - Your post makes sense; I guess that is the reason why stupid-name is nitpicking about grammar. Maybe English isn't everybody's first or only language. Maybe some people don't have as much time to punctuate, put a period or whatever.
DeleteOn the other hand, most of what stupid-name is saying doesn't make sense at all (could be the same person as "Unknown"). What a hater with no rhyme or reason.
I firmly believe that Lin and Melo are good for each other.
ReplyDeleteThe Fantastic Four of Melinstaty was KILLING IT. Despite some toxic chemistry issues under Dantoni, they took a lot of tough teams to the very end of games. Under Woodson, Melinstaty has been utterly destroying teams the way James Dolan envisioned at the begining of the season (albeit Lin has been a total surprise).
When the Knicks are healthy and playing together, they blow people out. Ironically, Melo's stats suffer the most and Lin is next. But there's no such thing as bad stats when the Knicks WIN.
Next season, I expect the Knicks to continue destroying opponents. Like many people here including our blogistrator jlinfan#1 have written, the Knicks can become a contender with Lin leading them. But all four guys in Melinstaty have to play great for that to happen.
To me, the blowout stompings of opponents during Melinstaty is just another manifestation of Linsanity.
As much as I love that to happen, don't you see melo seems to be happier now scoring big and losing than scoring less and winning?
DeleteGood question.
DeleteFrankly, I don't care what Melo or even Lin think. As long as they play together and put up results, that's all that matters.
In the NBA, it's normal for teammates to hate each other but play great together. I also do not think Lin and Anthony hate each other. If anything, I sense that they respect and even like one another. I feel that they will work everything out.
Lin and Melo could become a very powerful duo for years to come.
meloant frequently contradicts his own previous statements (to him inference and implication don't count. LOL) that betray his bad character, in an attempt to present himself more likable to the public.
Deletelol that melo fanboy aka unknown does not even dare to use a name. what an idiot. come to a lin fan site to diss lin and say lin is an average player. why don't you go back to your melo fan site or maybe melo doesn't even have one single fan site for you to rant so you have to come here lol
ReplyDeleteWell, I am a big Carmelo Anthony fan.
DeleteI thought he should've been picked #1 ahead of Lebron James, Darko Milicic (whose game I love but work ethic I hate), and Dwayne Wade. He also should've won Rookie of the Year over James whose team won less despite similar stats.
Carmelo Anthony learned from one of my favorite all time players, Adrian Dantley (also tutored Karl Malone, John Stockton, and the Detroit Pistons Bad Boys). I consider Anthony to be a superior individual talent than Dantley but not a better basketball technician.
I'd like to see Anthony back down into the post more to draw superstar fouls. I also think that Anthony coukd become an unstoppable midrange scorer like his idol Bernard King. I'd like to see Anthony foul guys out of games instead of simply trying to score over them.
While I have appreciated most of your posts, and I'm a melo fan, I also dont see him changing his game. I hope your right but if I go by his history I'm skeptical that melo will be okay with him getting alot less touches and playing hard D for the entire game. Like I said I hope your right, I think this team is going to be back mostly as is next year unless the Knicks make a play for Nash which may be difficult without shedding alot of cap...but anything can happen with Dolan in charge ;-)
DeleteKHuang,
DeleteUghhh, really? I don't care for this post of yours. You were A in my view; now it's A-. Okay, it's your opinion.
Unknown needs to stop coming here. If I, as a Lin's fan, did at Anthony's fan site what he or she is doing here, I'm sure I'd be kicked out.
DeleteThis is Jeremy Lin's fan site
hint hint to admin.
Well displayname, I was just a B in my own opinion!
DeleteThe poster above "Unknown" is hilarious, stupid bigoted racists like Stephen A Smith will NEVER admit Lin is good no matter what Lin does, ever. It's how prejudice and confirmation bias works, your preconceived ideas ignore what you see with your eyes or what the numbers say.
ReplyDeleteEven after the past 2 months you have idiots like Stephen A yelling that Lin is a marginal player at best, even though Lin leads the Knicks in PER and adjusted plus minus, and ranks top 10 among guards in multiple metrics.
In Lin's 26 games since Feb4, his PER is over 20, he averaged 17.5 points, 7.5 assists, 2 steals a game, on 46% shooting. Under Mike Woodson Lin averaged 16 points, 7 assists, 3 turnovers a game. He is NOT a system player. Mike D'Antoni went 8-1 with only Lin, and won under 40% of his other games. Mike Woodson is 6-1 with Lin, 3-2 without Lin. Even including Carmelo's despicable tank job going 2-8, the Knucks with Jeremy Lin are 16-10 with him and sub-.400 without him.
Jeremy Lin's team played GREAT defense before Carmelo came back and quit on his team to get his coach fired. During their 8-1 stretch they held opponents to only 90 a game on 40% shooting, bearing the Mavs, Lakers, Hawks, Jazz, and TWolves. Lin also played great defense during Woodson's start, when they put up great team defense stats because Carmelo finally stopped quitting. It isn't Jeremy Lin's fault when the forwards behind him play zero defense off screens and pick and rolls.
Morons like Stephen A Smith are just like those racist characters in movies like The Express or Jackie Robinson where the sport's majority race feels threatened and attacks the player breaking barriers,
No one cares what Stephen A Smith says anymore. He is so polarizing most people ignore him anyway. He's a blow hard. He's the biggest flip floper flapper mouth I've ever heard. That sounded funny so thought I would say it. lol.
DeleteCheers!
I vote *Like*
DeleteUnknown's logic is clearly flawed and misguided showing he is only Melo's fanboy first, Knicks fan second, JLin's hater the most.
ReplyDeleteFocusing on Melo's strength as a great scorer while ignoring the fact that he needs to involve his teammates to win a game is simply not a good logic on how to win a basketball game. Basketball is a team game, 1 great scorer cannot win championship (i.e. Michael Jordan's transformation from scorer to champ)
If he were a true Knicks fan then he would not blind himself to not see the contributions of Jeremy Lin and focus on how he and Melo can help each other to help the Knicks win.
Finally, drawing conclusion that Jeremy Lin is an average player from 1 bad game while ignoring HOF Magic Johnson's and Jerry "the Logo" West's analysis ("He is for REAL" and "My goodness, he is a tremendous player") is simply a misguided logic. I would take Hall of Famers' analysis any time. If I were Anonymous, I would start questioning myself why these HOF-ers have the opposite opinion with mine. Perhaps the "hate" clouds the judgment?
Here’s hoping that Anonymous can find the truth and happiness in life.
I vote *Like*
DeleteI vote "like" too! LOL
DeleteJ,
DeleteThanks! I looked lonely and foolish all by myself. Was on the verge of writing a song about it..... Hahahaha, LOL.
Why write a song about being lonely when one already exists?
Delete"RRRRRRON-REY! I am RRRRON-REY!"
- Kim Jong Il in "Team America"
Melo calls himself a super star, but his record with Knicks when scoring over 30 points this season is something like 2 - 20 (forgot actual number, just read it in article somewhere).
ReplyDeleteAnd when game is being contested in finals minutes, I can't recall him hitting game winner, or even clutch shots down stretch so that Knicks make multiple thrusts at winning in closing seconds of game.
I remember him missing contested dunk in Milwaukee game (and then missing 1 / 2 free throws to turn what should have been 1 point deficit into two, then two into four when Milwaukee scored). Even yesterday, he had two good looks from three in fourth quarter and missed both. Contested last minute shot in Boston that "superstar" should have made, despite it's difficulty.
Lin has made way more clutch plays and clutch shots than "superstar" Melo this season and Lin has only played part of the season.
Melo looks like he can be a great workhorse to do heavy lifting during game and keep Knicks close, but Melo has to trust Lin or other Knick (Shump?) to help him close out the game.
Despite how bad a shooter everyone seems to write about Lin being, I suspect he has got a great natural shooting instinct and that 1) his mechanics got messed up as he was growing up and going from 5 3 guard to 5 10 then 6 3 frame, and 2) he seems to have this inertia in his body where he just doesn't shoot set shots well; he snaps the bottom of the net with these ridiculous off balance, dribble drive pull up shots where he just shots instinctly without thinking (think of the three point shot he made in Utah (?) game where ball bounced out to him and he had to put up shot to beat shot clock (this is the purple gatorade tongue shot), vs. him clanging three pointers when he is open and almost has to think before aiming shot. Shump seems like much better deliberate spot up shooter and is making better choices about when to put it up too. He looks fearless like Lin, so hopefully he keeps working on his shot and especially on decision making about what is a good shot and what is not (and leave his ego at the door; New York is large market and can accomodate a lot of stars, if they play team ball that is enjoyable and fund to watch and root for).
Jeremy Lin shoots best when he is NOT following Doc Scheppler's shooting advice.
DeleteLin learned his shooting form from his father who watched 80s NBA stars. As a result, Lin shot 50% in college by using the same side shooting form that John Stockton, Julius Erving, Michael Jordan, and Larry Bird used. All of those guys released the ball from the right side of their heads, not from the middle of their foreheads like Doc teaches.
When Lin first started, he defaulted to that side shooting form that his father taught him. The result was that he shot accurately and could finish his shots even while being fouled.
Lately, Lin has been trying to do it Doc's way. The result is that Lin can't sink shots from outside, especially under pressure. In the NBA, it's very rare to get a clean look at the basket. That's why great scorers like Charles Barkley, George Gervin, Adrian Dantley, and Isiah Thomas all used that side shooting motion to score under defensive pressure.
If I could somehow communicate to Lin that he should go back to shooting his old school shot the way Larry Bird teaches it in Red Auerbach's video (can see it on youtube), that would be the only advice I would give Lin.
“Whatever we need to do as a team,’’ Allen said. “I think the effort that I’ve seen over the last week and a half, two weeks, is great. Whatever combinations we work out there, we’re all good enough, we’re all professional enough, to understand it. We know our plays. We’re at a point in the season where everybody knows who each other is. So, remembering plays and positions is second nature now for all of us.’’
ReplyDeletehttp://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2012/04/04/allen_might_not_start/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Boston+Celtics+news
Could you ever imagine such a quote coming from Melo or Baron Davis?
Allen can be effective in the half-court offense because of his 3-point shooting. But the Celtics have developed a hybrid identity as a transition team because of the pressuring ability of Bradley and Rondo, plus the mobility and jump-shooting of Brandon Bass and Kevin Garnett.
Delete“I bet I heard 10 times before the Miami game that I bet you guys are going to control the pace, walk the ball up the floor,’’ Rivers said. “I just think the exact opposite of that. When you have Kevin and Brandon on the floor and you run, and they run to space, bigs have to match up to them. And there’s lots of space.
“And I thought we’re starting to recognize that and do it. And we have to continue to do it. Getting easy baskets is hard in our league, so when you can get them you have to get them.’’
Only time I recall Tyson Chandler ever using "I" was when Melo was being passive aggressive with D'Antoni and Chandler said something like "I refuse to lose", which I think mean he refused to quit and tank the season at that point.
DeleteHopefully when Lin comes back from rehab, I doubt he would in anyway complain about coming off bench for limited minutes as he gets his legs back under him.
Lin matches up physically and from instantaneous start stop speed with Derrick Rose (and no, I am not saying Lin is as good as Rose), but he would be a key component if Knicks were to somehow beat Bulls in first round of playoffs.
Friends,
ReplyDeleteHere is another great video. The last 20 seconds in that video make me choke a bit. Not sure the real reason behind his reaction or face there, but I like to think that after all the garbage he dealt with with no scholarship offers out of HS, to undrafted, to cut 2 times, that to reach where he's at was just overwhelming for him (in a great, positive way):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW4CwhmwCD4
Also a quote about being California HS Player of the Year and receiving zero scholarship offers, with 300 colleges passing on him:
"I'm not saying top-5 California state automatically gets you [scholarship] offers, but I do think [my ethnicity] did affect the way coaches recruited me. I think if I were a different race, I would've been treated differently." - Jeremy Lin
It's a huge deal to finally have an Asian American icon stop reinforcing white privilege and actually stand up to institutional or societal prejudice, racism, and discrimination.
"For reasons that only Indiana coach Frank Vogel can answer, he had power forward Tyler Hansbrough cover Anthony for three quarters. Yes, the undersize Knicks had Anthony playing power forward. No, that doesn't oblige the opposing coach to respond by placing a slow defender on New York's only real scoring threat in the starting lineup, refusing to adjust or double-team him for three quarters while he torches your team.
ReplyDeleteSomeone got to Vogel after the third quarter, and he switched Danny Granger, a much better defender and athletic fit to defend Anthony in particular, to start the fourth quarter. The Knicks had no real response; the offense had been conditioned simply to feed Anthony, and that reached its logical extreme when Anthony could no longer get free in prime scoring position, and the rest of the Knicks responded as if they'd never attacked the basket.
The defense, too, ran out of steam, which was bound to happen. When the Knicks had 11 healthy players fighting for ten spots in the rotation, they had the luxury of defending all night without running out of energy. But Jeremy Lin is out, Amar'e Stoudemire is out, Jared Jeffries is out. The current rotation of ten players includes Mike Bibby and Steve Novak, who will make the effort but are simply limited defensively, and Josh Harrellson, who is being asked to defend centers while Jeffries is missing.
And Baron Davis, the team's only point guard, had already played 21 creaky minutes through three quarters. The fourth quarter, therefore, alternated between an overtaxed Davis and Toney Douglas, who shows no signs of developing even rudimentary point-guard skills, no matter how often he is cited as a possible backup to Davis due to the lack of other roster options.
Over the final two minutes, the Knicks went with no point guard at all, which isn't a real problem if Carmelo Anthony is just going to bring up the ball and shoot it himself anyway. But it is a problem when the opposing defense knows it as well. Anthony still had 12 points, but the shots were not nearly as good, and no one else on the team had a good look until a Tyson Chandler pick-and-roll set up by Anthony very late in the action.
So now consider exactly what this game means in terms of a playoff series. Should this be the version of the Knicks that shows up, it won't take an opposing team long to adjust to an Anthony-only offense. Meanwhile, the Knicks rotation will quickly be worn out by the defense Woodson asks them to play, especially without time off against a superior opponent."
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/null/2012/04/5622966/one-horrible-quarter-indiana-limitations-carmelo-centric-knicks-formula
"and the LACK OF SURROUNDING DAMAGE to Jeremy Lin's surgically repaired knee has the team thinking he could be back by the end of the regular season."
DeleteWOW, hopefully that means this writer got info on what orthopedic surgeon found upon visual inspection during arthroscopy, and hopefully that means there wasn't significant arthritic damage to accompany his chronic meniscal tear.
Joe,
DeleteAn excellent and perceptive piece. Ant is full of himself.
I didn't see the game, but at the top of the 4th quarter, I asked a friend to check for the score. The Knicks up by 17 points.
Me: I'm still sure that the Knicks will lose.
My friend: Yeah, right; they're up by 17 points!
Me: Yeah, Anthony is scoring huge again (after reading a sports news' scroll stats) and for some reason, I'm betting that the Knicks will lose. The Pacers' coach wakes up, all they should have to do is to defend Anthony.
My friend: Roll eyes, shakes head.
Me: OMG, the Pacers are leading the Knicks 94-93! I *told* you. I had a feeling, but I can't believe I'm actually right!
Where the Knicks miss Jeremy the most is his ability to get to the free throw line in the fourth quarter. Jeremy is fearless when he drives into the lane, draws contact and makes 2 foul shots. This is crucial when the team is on the road and needs to take the crowd out of the game. Last night down the stretch, the Knicks were settling for long range shots and coming up empty. All the great players know how to get to the line down the stretch to ice games.
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ReplyDeleteI love your post. You are calling the majority of us ignorant about basketball which is laughable. How is your background relevant to your argument that Lin essentially sucks? You remind me of one of those arrogant guys (yeah everyone knows one) who basically in not so many words says, "Since I went to Yale (no offense to anyone who did..Yale education is impressive of course) you should listen to me because I know what I'm talking about...."...hilarious. Tons of idiot CEOS who have all the relevant education credentials in the world have brought down the biggest and best companies.
Your arguments are based on a bunch of emotions...This is not a marriage counseling session. Make arguments based on fact and not emotional tantrums. Here's a real argument for 2012:
Jlin- +/-142 (highest on the knicks), W-L with him 21-3, Win % 61.8 percent
Anthony-
Anthony- +/-75, W-L with him 22-21, Win % 51.2 percent
Rondo- +/- 111, W-L with him 24-14, Win % 58.5 perecent
Lin's PER is 19.9 and Rondo is 17.8. Enough said..@Unknown bring on the stats or bring on the emotion, but save it for the marriage counseling. The only thing that will stop jlin is injury.
I forgot t to add a few things for Unknown, yes the Scouting is just so accurate these days: (1) Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan (2) Kwame Brown at #1 (2) Greg Oden at #1 (3) Shawn Bradley at #1 (4) Kobe Bryant- one of the greatest players of all time at #12 (5) Steve Nash #19 (6) Gilbert Arenas in the second round, etc,etc,etc.
ReplyDeleteOh, and if you want to complain about lin's defense: Derrick Rose's steals per 48 minutes is 1.2 whereas lin's 2.8. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbV9_Ygl3Q0.
Finally, do a google search on Jeremy Lin steiner interview, Jeremy says "people don't know, but we had the best defense in the league during the 7 game win streak".
I’m sorry to say, but everything you’ve said is basically wrong unknown..but thanks for trying.
There is no point arguing with someone (like 'Unknown') who denies that Jeremy Lin's zero college scholarship offers were not influenced by race, prejudice, and discrimination. There is no other former Cal HS Player of the Year who received no scholarship offers and was passed by every college in the country (over 300 schools). Lin's skill set was always there, he didn't just magically, dramatically improve. He was always good. Even the Knicks were about to cut Lin, it's not like Lin magically improved his game. The Knicks themselves didn't know what they had.
DeleteFrom what I've read. JLin was only looking at a few schools for basketball scholarships (Sanford, Cal and UCLA). After they let him fall though the cracks, he sought out the Ivy's for the educational opportunities.
DeleteI am sure he could have gotten a scholarship from a second tier program.
But the 2nd tier programs didn't seek Lin out either.
DeleteLin took the best basketball program that actually wanted him on the team. He picked the right team and that's why he's in the NBA today.
Shawn Bradley was actually a #2 overall pick behind Chris Webber. That was the crazy year in which Orlando should have taken Webber and put him at PF with Shaq. I was totally distraught when Orlando listened to Shaq and traded Webber for Penny Hardaway and 3 first round draft picks that I don't even remember who they turned out to be. A Shaq Webber pairing in Orlando would have won several championships and probably would've lasted. Don Nelson had a good thing in Webber, but he screwed that up royally by trading Webber for Tom Gugliotta (had some Bird like moments) and then drafting Billy Owens instead of Dikembe Mutombo.
Steve Nash was a 15th pick. I watched that game against Arizona in which Nash pulled a "Jeremy Lin" on Chris Mills and that ranked UA team. Nash took control of that game and was the best player on the court. The commentators at the time couldn't believe what they were seeing.
Kobe Bryant was a 13th pick, but he had his agent tell every team that he would only play for the Lakers. Bryant threatened to enroll at Duke for 4 years until LA traded for his draft rights. The Charlotte Hornets traded Bryant away for Vlade Divac, and that was an excellent trade for Charlotte got Vlade Divac to pair alongside with Anthony Mason in the playoffs while Bryant was hucking airballs in his 2nd season. Bryant likes to tell people nowadays that he'd have played for John Calipari who was a decent pro coach in New Jersey, but I remember New Jersey drafting the less talented Kerry Kittles instead just because they knew Bryant would have been a wasted pick because he would only play for the Lakers.
Still, NBA scouts seem to be getting dumber and not smarter. Right now Jeremy Lin is by far the best player from the 2010 draft, though I will let Ernie Grunfeld and Washington off the hook because they correctly drafted John Wall. But 59 other players that were selected before Lin have not been as good as him, including DeMarcus Cousins whose game I am completely unimpressed by.
Good summary KHuang. I was in the middle of a project at work, and I shouldn't have been posting anyway which explains my typos and slight errors. I just can't stand people that say Jeremy Lin is a horrible player without any evidence, rhyme or reason. For example, if we were to take Unknown's argument about Lin struggling in Miami and Chicago (this is REALLY questionable..I thought he played pretty well), Michael Jordan was a d-league player because he scored less than 10 once against the warriors.
ReplyDeleteRidiculous and absurd arguments based on a statistical sample size of N=2!!! I'm definitely not saying Jeremy is an elite player yet...(doesn't dribble as well left, inconsistent jump shot, can be turnover prone, etc.), but most of the criticism is just a joke.
By the way, I'm really hoping Unknown comes so I can shoot this stat at him: Carmelo Anthony's PER rating for the last 4 years: 40th, 16th, 13th, 33th- hardly the stuff of an elite top 5 let alone top 10 player...maybe not even top 20.
One question for KHuang..has the Kobe story really been verified? If I were a GM and I knew everyone thought someone was a top 3 pick, I would have taken him and trade him. That's just me though...
The Kobe story about his desire to play for nobody but the Lakers was verified. I read about it in a Street and Smith scouting report, and that's my favorite basketball journal. Even today, I still read that magazine.
DeleteIn a book written about Allen Iverson, Sixers president Pat Croce wrote about scouting several of the top prospects for the #1 pick. Kobe Bryant was acknowledged to be worthy of the pick from just a talent standpoint, but he strutted into the Sixers facility wearing sunglasses INDOORS. That scared off Sixers management who didn't want an unproven high schooler with a bad attitude. Allen Iverson was selected because he was perceived to have an elemental honesty about him that the Sixers felt would propel Iverson to greatness.
That year, Marcus Camby was #2 and Stephon Marbury was #3. At the time, those guys were considered proven college players that could help a team right away. Bryant was considered a project player because of his youth, but the Lakers thing scared teams off more than anything else. The only team that was willing to risk their pick on Bryant was Charlotte because they felt the proven veteran Divac was better than any nonBryant player left at #13. When that trade happened, I was happy for both teams.
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ReplyDeleteOn a separate note, has everyone seen this article http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/page/wulf-120402/honor-cheapshots-aaron-rodgers-jeremy-lin-sidney-crosby . Of course it's not surprising...we all know Jeremy's been playing with a bullseye on his back. Has anyone ever thought about doing an on-line petition and sending it over to the nba? Lin really needs to be protected..he's a gold mine for the NBA.
ReplyDeleteIt's amusing to see how threatened some are by JLin. Nobody rants and raves about an 'average player.But silence is the best answer for a fool. Ignore the troll aka Unknown.
ReplyDeleteAnd unless people are happy with Melo getting huge scores and the Knicks losing, it's clear Melo can't do it by himself. Superstar or no superstar. Lin and STAT are that help but it seems to infuriate some people to think that Melo might actually need help. Or to be specific, Lin's help. Anyone but Lin seems to be the attitude. Which is why they wanted Bardon Davis to start over Jeremy, which is why they want Nash over Lin. They are absolutely terrified that the longer Lin stays in the first team, the more obvious it'll become that he is the invaluable piece. It veers from the fascinating to the pathetic quite frankly. And still JLin plugs on, defying the naysayers at every turn. It's a beautiful thing to watch unfold. b
Milwaukee is only 1 game back for the 8th spot in the playoffs with a much easier schedule than the Knicks. My prediction is that Milwaukee will pass the Knicks by this time next week. Without Lin and Stoudamire the Knicks are a .500 team at best.
ReplyDeleteGood win for the Knicks today. Took full advantage of the mess in Orlando. Dwight was doing what Melo did to MDA. The only difference is that SVG made it public and MDA didn't. Also another proof that Melo with less shots and points = easier wins. Hope he learns. I do hope the Knicks make the playoffs and Jeremy can come back in time!
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