I'm being (rudely) nitpicky, but didn't Doc Scheppler say in his interview here that he was trying to teach Lin to release the basketball from the center of his forehead?
In that picture of the gamewinning 3 against Jose Calderon, Lin is clearly releasing the ball from the right side of his head the way his father taught him to. John Stockton beat the Rockets in the playoffs with a clutch 3 using that same shooting form (Karl Malone set an illegal moving screen with his elbows on Sedale Threatt to free Stockton, which was a dirty "superstar" play).
Now if indeed Scheppler is teaching Lin to release the ball like he did in that picture, that would be nice. If the old school side release shot worked for John Stockton, Michael Jordan, and Larry Bird, it would work for Lin just as it did in this particular case and in college where he shot over 50% from the field.
1. Is it consistent, can he do it over and over again with equal results? If the answer is no, then he needs to stick to the fundamental jumpshooting form (Feet shoulder width apart, elbows in, jump, release, follow through).
2. Unnecessary extra motions in a jumpshot will use up more energy. Leading to faster fatigue, and less accuracy as a player gets tired.
3. Basic fundamental jumpshot works in more situations. Lin had the "scissor kick" style of shooting during his Harvard days, but this was most effective only when driving to his right. It was not as accurate in spot up shooting, turnaround shots, or pull up shots.
I hope that Jeremy continues to practice and improve his jump shot and develop a consistent form.
Thus far his strength has been his fearless drives to the basket, but at the same time, that was also causing his injuries.
If he had a reliable jumpshot in his arsenal, it would help in so many ways, he can still be a scoring threat, without having to sacrifice his body.
Even with an inconsistent jumpshot, that's REALLY GOOD.
The trend today is to make guys into "picture" shooters. However, picture shooters don't always shoot high percentages the way Lin historically has. Besides, I see nothing wrong with Lin using the same form that John Stockton used. If it's good enough for Stockton, why wouldn't it be good enough for Lin who really does get results with the form?
During the first few games of Linsanity, Lin was shooting just fine from outside using shots like the one in the picture to destroy opponents. Let's hope Lin gets his shooting back, regardless of what his form looks like.
In the interview he said he'd "like" him to have his release closer to the middle of his head, but..... he decided NOT to change that aspect as it wasn't a major reason why he wasn't a great shooter.
Predrag Stojakovic is the best player in that video game. He scores anywhere between 50 and 70 points against me in a 48 min game even when I've sent triple teams after him. Only Bruce Bowen in that game can limit him to 50ish. But if I used Stojakovic, I could only score 30-40 points a game.
By the way, I got so good at NBA 2k6 that I could beat the computer on the most difficult setting (Hall of Fame) by 60-80 points provided Stojakovic wasn't playing against me.
Instead of going to Siberia, it is participating in "small" non-threatening talks in order for it to appear legit in this forum. I don't understand why a private celebrity fan site is scared to boot him off. ........ Hi KHuang,
I feel sad that you replied to it. All the folks who want him out, can we please NOT forget and forgive so quickly - In honor of JLin. This place is becoming harder for me to visit and I feel sad about it.
I have no problems with Unknown posting stuff that is critical of Lin from a basketball standpoint. Nor do I have a problem with Unknown posting entertaining small stuff that adds more positivity to my already happy life.
Now if Unknown or anybody else starts flaming others here, that's uncool. I am always the first person to call out flaming, especially since I'm usually the target because of my Chinese screenname. And by now I think everybody knows that I love to PUNK people that try to flame me.
I love this board just as much as you do, displayname. Like you, I want to discourage behavior that I find unacceptable and encourage behavior that adds to the positivity of this site.
No flameboy is going to keep me from posing here. I like guys like you too much to let the haters scare me away from here.
Besides, our positivity will hopefully draw some of them in. Maybe if they understood that we have NO BIAS toward them, we indeed can all get along.
I am not a Christian like Lin, but I do believe that redemption is around the corner for anyone. I have too many friends that were ex racists toward me to automatically write off all haters once and for all.
Are there any good books or videos that covers the fundamentals of basketball (especially shooting) for players who want to learn the basics? I'm still struggling on my shooting form. Michael Jordan said he shoots primarily with 3 fingers (thumb, index, and middle), so I'm going to give this a shot.
Larry Bird and Auerbach teach shooting. They go over the basics in depth.
I own Red Auerbach's "Winning Basketball" VHS cassette. It goes over all the individual skills of basketball. Most of the lessons on that tape can be viewed on youtube for free.
That Red Auerbach tape is fascinating because it does not just feature Larry Bird. Kevin McHale explains his post moves in total detail, Dennis Johnson explains perimeter defense, Jerry.Sichting does an unbelievable dribbling exhibition, Bill Walton explains rebounding and shotblocking, and Danny Ainge acts as a crash test dummy.
I myself am terribly interested in what you learn from watching those video.
I watch my "Winning Basketball" VHS repeatedly and never get tired of it. I particularly recommend it to Lin fans who are new to the sport of basketball.
By the way, I gagged when ex Knicks GM Donnie Walsh sent video clips of Larry Bird games to Danilo Gallinari before Gallo was traded for Carmelo Anthony. Walsh should've just gone on Amazon.com and paid the $10 that I did to ship a copy of "Winning Basketball" to Gallinari. It amazes me that Walsh worked side by side with Larry Bird for so many years and didn't even realize this video existed.
I had read about "Winning Basketball" in Larry Bird's autobiography "Drive". Bird.was EXTREMELY PROUD of the the video he did with Red. I was a struggling ballplayer at the time and the video solved my problems to the max of my very limited ability.
Release point, muscle (form) memory, and visualization are key. In that picture, Jeremy might have brought the ball from the side, but at the highest point of release, he may indeed be releasing from the center of his forehead. But even if he didn't release exactly from the center, if he visualizes his shot release from the center to the basket, that accomplished the goal. Finally, what ever he does, as long as it is consistent and repeatable, then you'll get a relatively good shooter.
Being a long time Warriors fan, I can see Jeremy Lin being like Tim Hardaway back during the 1990's RUN-TMC era. Hardaway was smaller than Jeremy (6'0" / 175) but quick as heck with a devastating killer cross over dribble. However, like Lin, Hardaway had a funky jumper. Despite this, Hardaway shot 43% from the field, 35% from 3 point, and 78% from the line. I know Coach wants Jeremy to get to 50% from the field, 40% from 3 point land and 85 to 90% from the line. However, if Jeremy can approximate Hardaway's game, he's in pretty good company of quality point guards.
His Jumper is not funky at all. Look at that picture! The ball is perfectly in his shooting pocket. He doesn't scissor his legs anymore. He jumps straight up with fading or kicking his right leg out.He has a nice wrist snap toward the target. Let me ask DCL who they feel has great shooting form, minus the funk?
DCL, Jeremy just shot .45% from the field, 32% from 3, and 80% from the line for this year. This is in his first real playing time in the NBA with everyone trying to shut him down like he is Michael Jordan. Why wouldn't you want or expect his shooting percentages to go up from here?
who does this DCL think he is..criticizing one of Doc Sheppler's protégés! J.Lin's shot is NOT funky. once a player works with doc, their shot becomes practically textbook not to mention *splash* money in the bank! so don't be criticizing J.Lin's shot cuz when you criticize j.lin you criticize the shot doctor. NOT UP IN HERE!
DCL is actually making the point that Jeremy Lin's shooting is just fine. Not only that, DCL believes that Lin can become as good as one of the best and most unique PGs ever to play in the NBA.
Tim Hardaway was a truly great All Star PG in the 90s. His unorthodox looking shot didn't stop him from scoring over 20 ppg in his prime.
Jeremy Lin is a big Tim Hardaway fan and would likely be honored by the comparison to one of his boyhood heroes.
UHHHH guys, at our level, you'll get much more bang for your buck if you run hills, do squats, and work on your athleticism. It'll help you a lot more than shoot, retrieve ball, shoot, etc. Athleticism will take you 80% there, the rest are skills...and this is coming from someone who played HS varsity and continue to play.
Uhhhhhhh Ricky T A sincere apology for not being at your level! You might want to check out theESPN Sportscience segment on Jeremy's athleticism..Also his numbers on Spartascience.com Have you seen his first step explosion and the strength gains he's made in 6 years AFTER High School. Maybe you should e mail the coach and you'll see that you might learn something about skill development.
I could be wrong, but when Ricky T writes "at our level" he means "amateur basketball weekend warrior", not "professional NBA star who can devote his entire workday toward becoming a basketball machine".
Ricky T's advice applies to guys like me who are out of basketball shape and often never have been in our entire lives. Getting in shape does have a tremendous impact on improving one's game.
That said, I think it's great that Doc Scheppler is making himself available for teaching people from all walks of life. I've received similar coaching to what he's offering and thus can appreciate what a true basketball master like Doc can teach even to a nonplayer like myself.
Ricky T. what exactly is your level....when you say continue to play do you mean continue to play in intermurals in college and the old man league?? because in basketball i'm pretty sure you need to learn how to shoot hence the game of basketball is to get the ball in the net....as well has have skillz to play REAL basketball.
ps. and who says shooting is just shoot, retrieve ball, shoot...there is much more to it than just that...thats probably all you learned at your level in which case makes you not much of a shooter/scorer
I'm being (rudely) nitpicky, but didn't Doc Scheppler say in his interview here that he was trying to teach Lin to release the basketball from the center of his forehead?
ReplyDeleteIn that picture of the gamewinning 3 against Jose Calderon, Lin is clearly releasing the ball from the right side of his head the way his father taught him to. John Stockton beat the Rockets in the playoffs with a clutch 3 using that same shooting form (Karl Malone set an illegal moving screen with his elbows on Sedale Threatt to free Stockton, which was a dirty "superstar" play).
Now if indeed Scheppler is teaching Lin to release the ball like he did in that picture, that would be nice. If the old school side release shot worked for John Stockton, Michael Jordan, and Larry Bird, it would work for Lin just as it did in this particular case and in college where he shot over 50% from the field.
The problem with any crazy jump shooting form is:
Delete1. Is it consistent, can he do it over and over again with equal results? If the answer is no, then he needs to stick to the fundamental jumpshooting form (Feet shoulder width apart, elbows in, jump, release, follow through).
2. Unnecessary extra motions in a jumpshot will use up more energy. Leading to faster fatigue, and less accuracy as a player gets tired.
3. Basic fundamental jumpshot works in more situations. Lin had the "scissor kick" style of shooting during his Harvard days, but this was most effective only when driving to his right. It was not as accurate in spot up shooting, turnaround shots, or pull up shots.
I hope that Jeremy continues to practice and improve his jump shot and develop a consistent form.
Thus far his strength has been his fearless drives to the basket, but at the same time, that was also causing his injuries.
If he had a reliable jumpshot in his arsenal, it would help in so many ways, he can still be a scoring threat, without having to sacrifice his body.
But Lin shot over 50% in college.
DeleteEven with an inconsistent jumpshot, that's REALLY GOOD.
The trend today is to make guys into "picture" shooters. However, picture shooters don't always shoot high percentages the way Lin historically has. Besides, I see nothing wrong with Lin using the same form that John Stockton used. If it's good enough for Stockton, why wouldn't it be good enough for Lin who really does get results with the form?
During the first few games of Linsanity, Lin was shooting just fine from outside using shots like the one in the picture to destroy opponents. Let's hope Lin gets his shooting back, regardless of what his form looks like.
Lin shot over 50% from the field because most of those shots were layups. He's good at finishing at the rim.
DeleteFrom 3-point range he shot only about 30%.
+3, +30 to Whitman!
DeleteIn the interview he said he'd "like" him to have his release closer to the middle of his head, but..... he decided NOT to change that aspect as it wasn't a major reason why he wasn't a great shooter.
Delete+30, +5 to Jumpah AND Doc Scheppler.
Delete-1000 to me.
A very well-written post. I read and liked the post and have also bookmarked you. All the best for future endeavors
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He can shoot whatever way he wants if he shoots 50%. Peja's shot was funny looking but he was a phenomenal shooter.
ReplyDeleteIf he can shoot a high pct and have picture perfect form....I'd....just take more photos.
For Playstation2, I have NBA 2k6.
DeletePredrag Stojakovic is the best player in that video game. He scores anywhere between 50 and 70 points against me in a 48 min game even when I've sent triple teams after him. Only Bruce Bowen in that game can limit him to 50ish. But if I used Stojakovic, I could only score 30-40 points a game.
By the way, I got so good at NBA 2k6 that I could beat the computer on the most difficult setting (Hall of Fame) by 60-80 points provided Stojakovic wasn't playing against me.
Edit: 2k5.
DeleteOh oh, here goes Unknown again.
DeleteInstead of going to Siberia, it is participating in "small" non-threatening talks in order for it to appear legit in this forum. I don't understand why a private celebrity fan site is scared to boot him off.
........
Hi KHuang,
I feel sad that you replied to it. All the folks who want him out, can we please NOT forget and forgive so quickly - In honor of JLin. This place is becoming harder for me to visit and I feel sad about it.
I LIKE YOU, displayname.
DeleteI have no problems with Unknown posting stuff that is critical of Lin from a basketball standpoint. Nor do I have a problem with Unknown posting entertaining small stuff that adds more positivity to my already happy life.
Now if Unknown or anybody else starts flaming others here, that's uncool. I am always the first person to call out flaming, especially since I'm usually the target because of my Chinese screenname. And by now I think everybody knows that I love to PUNK people that try to flame me.
I love this board just as much as you do, displayname. Like you, I want to discourage behavior that I find unacceptable and encourage behavior that adds to the positivity of this site.
No flameboy is going to keep me from posing here. I like guys like you too much to let the haters scare me away from here.
Besides, our positivity will hopefully draw some of them in. Maybe if they understood that we have NO BIAS toward them, we indeed can all get along.
I am not a Christian like Lin, but I do believe that redemption is around the corner for anyone. I have too many friends that were ex racists toward me to automatically write off all haters once and for all.
Are there any good books or videos that covers the fundamentals of basketball (especially shooting) for players who want to learn the basics? I'm still struggling on my shooting form. Michael Jordan said he shoots primarily with 3 fingers (thumb, index, and middle), so I'm going to give this a shot.
ReplyDeleteOn youtube, look up "red on roundball".
DeleteLarry Bird and Auerbach teach shooting. They go over the basics in depth.
I own Red Auerbach's "Winning Basketball" VHS cassette. It goes over all the individual skills of basketball. Most of the lessons on that tape can be viewed on youtube for free.
That Red Auerbach tape is fascinating because it does not just feature Larry Bird. Kevin McHale explains his post moves in total detail, Dennis Johnson explains perimeter defense, Jerry.Sichting does an unbelievable dribbling exhibition, Bill Walton explains rebounding and shotblocking, and Danny Ainge acts as a crash test dummy.
Thank you! This is very helpful :)
DeleteYou're welcome.
DeleteI myself am terribly interested in what you learn from watching those video.
I watch my "Winning Basketball" VHS repeatedly and never get tired of it. I particularly recommend it to Lin fans who are new to the sport of basketball.
By the way, I gagged when ex Knicks GM Donnie Walsh sent video clips of Larry Bird games to Danilo Gallinari before Gallo was traded for Carmelo Anthony. Walsh should've just gone on Amazon.com and paid the $10 that I did to ship a copy of "Winning Basketball" to Gallinari. It amazes me that Walsh worked side by side with Larry Bird for so many years and didn't even realize this video existed.
I had read about "Winning Basketball" in Larry Bird's autobiography "Drive". Bird.was EXTREMELY PROUD of the the video he did with Red. I was a struggling ballplayer at the time and the video solved my problems to the max of my very limited ability.
go watch Steve Nash. Doesn't get enough credit for his shooting. 50% 2FG, 40% 3ptFG, 90% FT.
ReplyDeleteShot selection is very important. The best shooters never take bad shots when they don't have to.
DeleteGeez, another Unsomething undoing.
DeleteRelease point, muscle (form) memory, and visualization are key. In that picture, Jeremy might have brought the ball from the side, but at the highest point of release, he may indeed be releasing from the center of his forehead. But even if he didn't release exactly from the center, if he visualizes his shot release from the center to the basket, that accomplished the goal. Finally, what ever he does, as long as it is consistent and repeatable, then you'll get a relatively good shooter.
ReplyDeletedo NOT question the doctor...he is the best coach on this planet
ReplyDeletenot to mention the best shooting coach that there is to offer
enough said
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Being a long time Warriors fan, I can see Jeremy Lin being like Tim Hardaway back during the 1990's RUN-TMC era. Hardaway was smaller than Jeremy (6'0" / 175) but quick as heck with a devastating killer cross over dribble. However, like Lin, Hardaway had a funky jumper. Despite this, Hardaway shot 43% from the field, 35% from 3 point, and 78% from the line. I know Coach wants Jeremy to get to 50% from the field, 40% from 3 point land and 85 to 90% from the line. However, if Jeremy can approximate Hardaway's game, he's in pretty good company of quality point guards.
ReplyDeleteHis Jumper is not funky at all. Look at that picture! The ball is perfectly in his shooting pocket. He doesn't scissor his legs anymore. He jumps straight up with fading or kicking his right leg out.He has a nice wrist snap toward the target. Let me ask DCL who they feel has great shooting form, minus the funk?
DeleteI meant without fading or kicking his right leg out
DeleteDCL, Jeremy just shot .45% from the field, 32% from 3, and 80% from the line for this year. This is in his first real playing time in the NBA with everyone trying to shut him down like he is Michael Jordan. Why wouldn't you want or expect his shooting percentages to go up from here?
Deletewho does this DCL think he is..criticizing one of Doc Sheppler's protégés! J.Lin's shot is NOT funky. once a player works with doc, their shot becomes practically textbook not to mention *splash* money in the bank! so don't be criticizing J.Lin's shot cuz when you criticize j.lin you criticize the shot doctor. NOT UP IN HERE!
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Easy there, 000.
DeleteDCL is actually making the point that Jeremy Lin's shooting is just fine. Not only that, DCL believes that Lin can become as good as one of the best and most unique PGs ever to play in the NBA.
Tim Hardaway was a truly great All Star PG in the 90s. His unorthodox looking shot didn't stop him from scoring over 20 ppg in his prime.
Jeremy Lin is a big Tim Hardaway fan and would likely be honored by the comparison to one of his boyhood heroes.
UHHHH guys, at our level, you'll get much more bang for your buck if you run hills, do squats, and work on your athleticism. It'll help you a lot more than shoot, retrieve ball, shoot, etc. Athleticism will take you 80% there, the rest are skills...and this is coming from someone who played HS varsity and continue to play.
ReplyDeleteHe can shoot like Noah or Camby, heck maybe even Marion. If he makes it...who cares.
ReplyDeleteIf he does shoot like those guys.... they won't go down... That's why they are below average shooters.
DeleteUhhhhhhh Ricky T A sincere apology for not being at your level! You might want to check out theESPN Sportscience segment on Jeremy's athleticism..Also his numbers on Spartascience.com Have you seen his first step explosion and the strength gains he's made in 6 years AFTER High School. Maybe you should e mail the coach and you'll see that you might learn something about skill development.
ReplyDeleteI could be wrong, but when Ricky T writes "at our level" he means "amateur basketball weekend warrior", not "professional NBA star who can devote his entire workday toward becoming a basketball machine".
DeleteRicky T's advice applies to guys like me who are out of basketball shape and often never have been in our entire lives. Getting in shape does have a tremendous impact on improving one's game.
That said, I think it's great that Doc Scheppler is making himself available for teaching people from all walks of life. I've received similar coaching to what he's offering and thus can appreciate what a true basketball master like Doc can teach even to a nonplayer like myself.
Ricky T. what exactly is your level....when you say continue to play do you mean continue to play in intermurals in college and the old man league?? because in basketball i'm pretty sure you need to learn how to shoot hence the game of basketball is to get the ball in the net....as well has have skillz to play REAL basketball.
ReplyDeleteps. and who says shooting is just shoot, retrieve ball, shoot...there is much more to it than just that...thats probably all you learned at your level in which case makes you not much of a shooter/scorer
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