Monday, April 2, 2012

How Long Will It Take?

How long will it take for Jeremy to come back from Meniscus surgery? Well, lets look at two players who  have recently had surgery to repair torn meniscus ligaments:

Tayshawn Taylor of Kansas - December 2011, one week
Chris Paul - Feb 2010, Seven weeks

Obviously, the recovery time can vary greatly based on the severity of the tear, the condition of the cartilage, and just how fast they heal. A huge positive is seeing how well these guys have played right after their surgeries.

The Knicks still have to make the playoffs or all this speculation is moot. It looks like they'll be battling the Bucks and Sixers for the 8th spot.

More articles on JLin and his injury:

Jeremy Lin of New York Knicks has knee surgery - ESPN New York

With Jeremy Lin injury, NY Knicks are no longer New York's main focus as baseball Opening Day approaches - NY Daily News

27 comments:

  1. Right before the 2011-12 season, a study was published on NBA meniscus injuries.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22130472

    "The number of days missed for lateral meniscal tears and medial meniscal tears was 43.8 ± 35.7 days and 40.9 ± 29.7 days, respectively, and was not statistically different. ... Twenty-five players (19.4%) did not return to play. For those who did, upon returning to competition, there was no statistical change in PER from their preinjury status, and the mean number of seasons completed was 4.1 ± 3.7 seasons."

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  2. On one hand I want him to come back and play in the playoffs, but on the other hand I am scared to death that it forces him to rush back ala Brandon Roy. I hope Jeremy take good care of himself and make wise decision. He is still young and has a long career ahead of him. PLS DO NOT RUSH BACK.

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  3. "Requiem for a Lin". Very touching article. The New York Times / Magazine articles seems to have much higher quality when compared to ESPN of the tabloids.

    http://www.nymag.com/daily/sports/2012/04/requiem-for-a-lin.html?imw=Y&f=most-emailed-24h5

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  4. Anybody else read the articles about how Carmelo thought that Woodson used him better and how he played better with Baron as the PG. Damn he still doesn't get it. He scoring more points is not equal to playing better! His iso act is not only boring and so predictable but not really good to team results overall. When can he realise the importance of Jeremy and understand he won't go far in the playoffs without Jeremy!

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    1. Add some more, I actually quite like Woodson as a coach, especially his defensive 1st approach which I think is important to all legit championship contenders. But he is TOO MUCH catering to Carmelo's ego to my liking. His reliance of 1-on-1 basketball and lack of offensive sets are also too apparent as well. Playing to your star's strength is okay but not like this. I guess I need to see more how he uses Jeremy next year to make the judgement if he does stay. I have faith in Jeremy that he will thrive in any role. But I don't want him just to become a bring the ball up shot up shooting type either. I want to see if he will allow Jeremy play to his strenght which is more P&R game. Also Jeremy next season should be allowed to at least become a 2nd option behind Melo. With 15 shots pre game Jeremy can average 18-20 ppg, 8-10 apg easy which will be legit all star number. Amare is just too often injuried and getting old and way too not dependable. I hope the coaching staff can recognize this fact and also design more scheme and offensive sets to better mesh Jeremy and Melo.

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  5. Notice how many times Melo uses the word "I" in that article.

    Read another article about Baron Davis and I think he never used the word "we" (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/sports/basketball/davis-still-thinks-he-can-lead-knicks-to-playoffs.html)

    Only Chandler used the words "we" and "team" in article above.

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  6. I see nothing wrong with Carmelo Anthony saying that he prefers to play iso ball with Baron Davis.

    To my eyes, Lin has been every bit as good a player with Woodson and Anthony as he was with Dantoni and the minimum wagers. Instead of having to score so much, Lin focused on being a floor general. And Lin was a GREAT floor general under Woodson, as evidenced by the gaudy record of blowouts.

    Isolation plays are a hallmark of good basketball. A good defense can clamp down on fancy motion schemes, but a good isolation player can score even against tough defenses. All great teams have BOTH isolation and motion schemes.

    Lin is both a great isolation AND motion player, unlike Anthony who is a poor motion player. That's why Lin can play great under any system.
    I'm not worried in the least about Lin's game in the NBA. After he plays against every NBA team just once by next season, the REAL Jeremy Lin will step to the forefront as one of the league's dominant players. Jeremy Lin has a real chance to become the best PG in the entire NBA and a top 5 player in the league.

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  7. Happy to hear the surgery was a success. God-willing his rehab will go smoothly too. But I sincerely hope Jeremy takes his time to heal properly and not rush back.

    Firstly because we don't want another Brandon Roy on our hands. Part of the reason Roy suffered as he did was because he rushed back from injuries a lot. Not good. There will be lots of playoffs hopefully in Jeremy's future, he doesn't need to prove himself to anybody at this stage.

    And secondly, let the Knicks carry on without jeremy. I feel it's important for Carmelo to have his chance to shine and to show that he doesn't need a Jeremy Lin to have playoff success. His comments in the articles above are telling and are unfortunate to say the least, but now is as good a time as any to put his money where his mouth is. So have at it Melo. If he's as good as others say he is, I'll be pleased for the Knicks. It'll ease the pressure off Jeremy and roles will definitely be defined. Nothing wrong with that, if it works. But if the Knicks fall apart without JLin, that's a different matter altogether.

    Personally, I'm not convinced that Melo or Woodson is entirely comfortable with all the attention and play Jeremy gets. I think a line in the sand definitely needs to be drawn and this may just be leading to it. Let it be known once and for all, if the Knicks are a better team, with or without Lin. If they are, Melo will have proved his superstar status and erased the doubts from peoples mind about his ability to lead this team anywhere. Fair enough. If they are not, he will have to accept that the days of being THE MAN on-court are pretty much over. At least as long as Jeremy is on the team. Sharing will have to become his modus operandi.

    I suspect we're going to have our answer fairly soon, either way.

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  8. I don't have much faith in Melo personally...He's a selfish player. Boy has skills, but he has no heart.

    Difference with running offense through Lin vs Melo is Lin will score, and bring the whole team up. Melo will score, and bring the whole team down.

    JLin is destined to be a great PG...If he can develop a jumper to increase his repertoire of weapons, he'll be able to match the likes of Westbrook, who is deadly just about everywhere on the court.

    Knicks don't have much hopes in the playoffs, assuming they even make 8th seed...IMO Lin should just take his time and bid for next year instead of rushing back to help a lost cause.

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  9. Friends, Jeremy Lin is out until later this year when the 2013 season starts, but in the meantime, here are some WONDERFUL youtube videos made by some really talented people. The music in some of these videos is just epic:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G4PINhO7hY&list=UUwIb2XQ21knE-vesHb8wx_A&index=10&feature=plcp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW4CwhmwCD4&list=UUwIb2XQ21knE-vesHb8wx_A&index=2&feature=plcp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rfhOgmbuIc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-erC7TNPrA

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  10. For the sake of Lin's long term career, I'd rather see the Knicks miss the playoffs so that Lin isn't tempted to come back during the playoffs. Lin's such a tough competitor, you know he'll want to get back on the court as soon as he can, and play through the pain. But the playoffs will be even more physical and demanding.

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  11. LOL it looks like the Knicks are the way of winning in Indy. Make you wonder if Melo really deliberately played poorly before to prove a point. Now he suddenly plays so much better...

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    1. Agreed. If "hurt" Melo plays so much better without Lin than "healthy" Melo with Lin something ain't right. I don't know if it's laziness or just Xs-and-Os (I actually think it's the latter), but it supports my stance that Jeremy should seriously consider signing elsewhere eventually.

      KHuang made a pretty convincing case for the Nets being a great fit. Personnel-wise it works and business-wise it makes sense. The Nets need a young franchise player, and Jeremy could be their "PG of the Future." He could even keep his current apartment, ha.

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    2. Live by the jump shot, die by the jump shot.

      Crunch time and no Lin dribble drive penetration for high percentage clutch shot or free throws.

      Hope Knicks squeak this one out, but Bulls will destroy this Melo isolation offense (he can score a lot, but Bulls will probably win easily because they take everyone out of offense and just let Melo try and beat them one on five).

      Paint is much more open last couple games with no Stat.

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  12. Knicks have enough depth to hang with a good team like Indiana Pacers. But they don't have Jeremy Lin the 4th quarter closer. They can't shift into a higher gear when it counts.

    Pacers on an 11-0 run to start the 4th quarter. Knicks not playing with enough energy.

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  13. No jeremy lin in the 4th quarter during crunch time + ball hog iso play carmelo = Knicks loss

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  14. We're back to the 8-15 Knicks. Melo gets a big stat line, but the Knicks lose anyway. Any sane fan would take the blowouts of the early Woodson days when five guys were in double digits and no one scored higher than 18/19. That's the kind of ball that gets you into the playoffs. Now? Not so much. Get well soon Jeremy.

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  15. So the Knicks lost at the end. Great effort from Carmelo I give him props for this but I hope starting from here he understands that his one man show is simply not enough. No matter how good he plays. He badly needs Jeremy or he will just be viewed as a high scoring loser. Here is hoping he can understand. But I guess with so many years of this same act in the league it is difficult for him.

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    1. i haven't given up on melo and lin coexisting...

      i remember the 76ers game in the 4th quarter when jeremy had this behind the back crossover and finish for a layup. if you watch closely, right when melo senses what lin is going to do melo puts his body on lin's defender and sets a beautiful screen that frees lin for a clear path to the basket.

      little things like that give me hope. melo no doubt can be one of hte most dominant offensive forces out there, but he can't do it alone - hopefully he'll realize that going into this home stretch and playoffs

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  16. Yeah. It is really pity. Melo took too many shots.

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  17. Selfish player will never win! Did you guys read Jeremy Lin Q&A, he is very cute and fun! I was laughing out loud While reading the article!

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  18. So I'm confused about what happened during the surgical procedure.

    Was it a small tear along the outer meniscus, that was stitched up and allowed to heal by itself ?

    Or was it a tear inside the inner meniscus (Which never heals)that had to be partially removed ?

    The latter procedure makes the meniscus weaker by taking away a layer off the top. It can shorten Lin's career if that were the case.

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    1. Good question. Key question. Nobody is saying.

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  19. Well Melo sure is a strange person. When he has no help, he complains of no help. When he did have help (last year with Amare and this year when Amare and Jeremy were playing), he didn't play hard, he complained of no enough touches, system not catering to him and seemed really jealous of his teammates' success. Really don't know what he wants.

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  20. In games Melo shoots 20 or more shots NY is 2-12.

    Almost all the wins this season Melo has shot around 12-15 shots.

    This is also true for a similar ball-dominant "superstar" scorer in Kobe, the less he shoots, the more the Lakers win.

    When one player shoots that much, it makes the rest of the team complacent/detached from the game. They don't feel involved in the offense so don't try as hard on defense.

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  21. The secret isn't really his shooting. Tonight he shot 6-16, but the difference of the game was, he knows how to draw the fouls while in a shooting motion.

    So yes, even Carmelo knows that he's not a great shooter, but he can draw the foul and get to the free throw line if he misses. Which slows down the game and messes with the other team's offensive rhythm.

    Free Throws, they hurt the other team more than a made basket.

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