Saturday, March 24, 2012

Knicks vs Pistons Game Thread

85 comments:

  1. come on knicks! don't turn a bad night into the beginning of a streak...

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  2. Lin has NO confidence in his jump shot. This AVERY ADVERSELY affects the rest of his game. Ihope he turns this around or it's going to be a big problem.

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    also, carmelo blows. can you believe he makes 18 million a year!

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    1. Don't worry about Lin, the 66 condensed schedule really is bad but has to be done this year and this yr only. Yeah Lin has got to up his confidence again.

      Yeah Melo is seriously over rated...if he keeps this up for th erest of the yr, melo is gone next yr

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    2. LOL Lol lol (;-/)

      Woodson on Melo today regarding low FG%: "I need to help him more"

      Woodson the day of D'Antoni leaving and 2 days after Lin's good performance in the Knicks loss to Bulls on the road: Lin is to "sit, listen, and learn" from the experienced pros..... hahaha hehehe ha.

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    3. In one of my post I was wrong in thinking Melo was making $21.5 mil this year... I must have averaged the next 2 years, lol.

      NBA’s Top 10 Highest Paid Players
      Name...........................Team...........2011-12
      Kobe Bryant............... Lakers.........$25,244,493
      Kevin Garnett ............ Celtics.........$21,247,044
      Tim Duncan............... Spurs...........$21,164,619
      Rashard Lewis.......... Wizards ......$21,136,630
      Dirk Nowitzki.............. Mavericks....$19,092,873
      Pau Gasol.................. Lakers......... $18,714,150
      Carmelo Anthony....... Knicks.........$18,518,574
      Amar'e Stoudemire.... Knicks......... $18,217,705
      Dwight Howard.......... Magic........... $18,091,770
      Joe Johnson.............. Hawks.......... $18,038,573

      melo's contract (27 years old)
      2011-12: $18,518,575.
      2012-13: $20,463,024.
      2013-14: $22,407,474.
      2014-15: $24,351,924 [Player Option].
      2015-16: UFA

      Dwight Doward (26 years old)
      2011-12: $18,091,770.
      2012-13: $19,536,360 [Player Option].
      2013-14: UFA

      LeBron (27 years old)
      2011-12: $16,022,500.
      2012-13: $17,545,000.
      2013-14: $19,067,500.
      2014-15: $20,590,000 [Player Option].
      2015-16: $22,112,500 [Player Option].
      2016-17: UFA

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    4. "Lin has NO confidence in his jump shot."

      Wat da ya spect, mouth crooked.... tension tension tension.

      Jeremy Lin should look into playing for another team, another coach, another city.... Still, on a typical bad day, Lin is playing like a $5 mil guy, not $760k league minimum.

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    5. ^ I agree.

      A coach that publicly put down the rest of the team in order to motivate overpaid underperforming players (who should be playing at 99.99% efficient given their salary) is not a good one.

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  3. luckily, the pistons are really stinking so the kinks shouldn't be penalized too much tonight.

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  4. arghhh... what a sloppy start.

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  5. So far so good, but our boy JLin should get at least 5 or 6 assists if those stars could just make a shot or a layup, but the turnovers are killing Lin's good game.

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    1. what's frustrating is that two of his four turnovers are dropped passes. really annoying

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    2. exactly dropping passes and missed layups is annoying me too..really the knicks are terrible with out JLin, is so clear

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    3. Tell me about it. Idiots will look at the boxscore and go "LOL, 4 TOs in one quarter!" when two of them aren't even his fault and he's created 3-4 others easy shots his teammates couldn't finish.

      If Lin were on the Celtics, he'd average 12/3TOs a night.

      I hate to blame Tyson because he's playing great defense and has a sore wrist. But man, is he killing Jeremy on offense.

      The Knicks bigs are so epically incompetent these days. Except Amare, I guess.

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    4. your right, the more is see the knicks for what they are without jLin, they're just bad. I don't like it how Woodson cont. to sit JLin out and even Melo for long stretches, that can ruin rhythm!! Why is BD still in the game!

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  6. good to see him go to the rack early. turnovers are killing him though. some of them weren't his fault but there were two very bad passes.

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  7. Ah another 2 TOs added to Lin cuz Chandler didn't pay attention. 4TOs in 1st Quarter. That will give those haters a reason to bash at Lin, win or lose.

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    1. Meh. remember, the people who are on his ass of turnovers over and over again, already have been outed (SA smith). ...


      the reasonable people will get on his ass about turnovers only if they lose.

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  8. Damn the Knicks are really bad when JLin sits lol the Knicks players need to KNOW THEIR *** ROLES!!!

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  9. I've noticed every time B Davis is in the line up, so many ISO plays come up just saying

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  10. Man...harrelson with a dropped pass from baron too...what is it with the dropped balls today

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  11. Knicks playing down to the level of a bad opponent. Not a good sign.

    Most of Lin's 4 turnovers were passes to players who weren't looking to catch it. LOL! That point blank pass hit Melo right in the face.

    Detroit is not a shot blocking team, Lin could drive in for an easy layup whenever he wants, but he's giving up open shots to pass the ball. He could be in double figures in the first quarter if he wanted to.

    Again, not good.

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  12. OMG! What the F**K is wrong with Melo, he just air balled

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    1. another shot not hitting the rim from melo

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  13. this is exactly what I hoped wouldn't happen. it looks like they carried their bad play from last night into this game. really need to pick it up.

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  14. OMG, it's frustrating me to watch Melo couldn't even make a layup. Argh...

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    1. yeah melo is over rated at this point...How much does he make a yr doing this garbage??..the sad truth this isn't just one game, he is consistent with this crap since coming back

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  15. Seriously, the Knicks should be up by at least 15 pts, if they played with the same focus as vs. Indiana. Right now, most of the pts are coming from offensive rebounds and one-on-one isolations.

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  16. what a huge f----ing three by Lin. he's the man!


    he created something out of nothing when no one was moving!

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  17. Wow, our boy is balling down the stretch for 1st half. Got rob with a bucket on the traveling. Go JLin!!!!

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  18. Lol...Lin got robbed on that travel call off the fees from Landry

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  19. GAH.

    This game is making me so mad.

    Dropped passes count as TOs on Jeremy.

    A ref calls an awesome reverse layup of his a travel (another BS TO).

    Haha, oh man. At least they're winning.

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    1. Lol yeah, the first quarter plus half of 2nd was really boring to watch, all they do is pass the ball to STAT/Melo...Watching butterfingers drop passes when Lin worked to get it in his hands is really annoying.

      Melo is just...Sigh...He's back to his old self and not defending again, good thing the person he's guarding couldn't make those wide open 3s...

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  20. Make that 8. But that charge was legit, I admit.

    But the inbounds TO wasn't his fault. His teammates aren't getting open, then Landry was thrown to the floor by Gordon.

    He's gonna have 12 TOs tonight and 8 of them won't even be his fault. Oh well. Just win, baby.

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    1. Oops, wait it is 7. For now.

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    2. yeah this game's TO's def. not all Lin's fault

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    3. The only turnovers that he was solely responsible for, taking too many steps going for a layup on the fast break. Offensive foul on the running floater.

      He needs to develop a pull up jumper so he won't run into defenders, just pump fake once, take one dribble and pullup for the shot.

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    4. I didn't think it was a TO on the reverse. He took a few small steps caught the ball and took two strides to the basket. The first is a step, the second is lifting off his pivot.

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  21. oh oh. landry is screwed. He will not played the rest of the game. woodson is SOO pissed!

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  22. To summarize an earlier post:

    The knicks PLAY terrible without Lin. As Lin goes, the knicks go.

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    1. totally agree, melo is iso all day lol when B Davis is in no ball movement or spacing even though the team is messing with lin's game today particularly TO's...melo needs to work on his game during the off season, IMHO melo is over rated and not really good

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  23. the turnovers are rough. good to see those 3s go down for him though. couple of the TOs have been bad decisions but a lot of them have been just because the team is out of whack and not playing with chemistry. the starting 5 seemed like they were thinking too much and being hesitant in the beginning. then they got aggressive but still a bit sloppy. still a mess of a game midway through the 3rd.

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  24. Jeremy Lin and Amare Stoudemire go into the locker room followed by the medical staff.

    Not a good sign. Injury ??

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    1. sore knee, maybe it's the knee he had surgery on

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  25. back on the floor. limping a little probably tweaked an ankle.

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    1. he's ok, just glad the Pistons are playing terrible bball

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    2. Amare is out with a sore back. Let's hope he will be OK on Monday vs. the Bucks. Knicks will need him for his scoring.

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  26. league pass has been fading in and out the whole damn game. this is really annoying. anyone else having this problem?

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    1. i had this problem too. too many Lin fans trying to stream the game:)

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    2. yes, league pass has been FUH-AIL-ing all game

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  27. Looks like Jeremy is done for the night with his sore knee and the game being a blowout.

    Man, these last two games have been excruciating for a J-Lin fan. If his teammates could play even mediocre on offense, he'd have 10 assists and 3 TOs per game. Instead Jeremy has Melo on an all-time poor shooting streak, Fields who missing easy dunks and layups, and Chandler unable to catch a simple pass because of his hurt wrist.

    And then Baron comes in with guys like Novak, Shumpery and Jeffries and looks good by comparison. So frustrating because most fans and idiots in the media only look at boxscores -- "Lin was a turnover machine! He's crashing back to earth!"

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    1. yeah agree his team mates are not pulling through at all

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  28. hope Lin's injury isn't too serious. not a great game for him but good to see the outside shot go down and good to see him go hard to the basket.

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    1. Right on.

      The Knicks won easily again. They didn't even play well and still won.

      Lin is THE MAN!

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  29. Oh yeah.

    Before we march in protest on Madison Square Garden, considee the stats of Brandon Knight who had only 9 pts (low shooting %) and 6 TOs.

    Remember that Brandon Knight is a 2011 lottery pick that lots of NBA observers have a very high opinion of. He's supposedly an up and coming star - and it appears to me that he's just another lottery pg who got schooled by Lin-structor.

    Unlike Lin who's D-one D-ouble D-uty in the D-league, Brandon Knight won't be going to the D league anytime soon.

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  30. Much more fire and aggression from JLin tonight. Always good to see that. He will always be turnover prone, just a by-product of the kind of game he plays, but he's already made progress cutting them down. Before the game, he was averaging 3 or so in the Woodson-era. Tonight, his teammates bobbled or dropped passes so I'm not even going to bother whining about that. Anybody with eyes would have seen half of those turnovers weren't his fault.

    Good to see the team pull out a win after a rattling loss. Bucks on Monday is a huge game. Amare better be 100%. As for Melo, i'm seeing tons of excuses to explain away his poor form and I'm not really buying it. Is he injured? Then don't play injured. It's not like he's indispensable at this point. This team has shown they can win without him so take time off and sort that wrist out. If indeed it is the wrist. I'm not convinced.

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  31. Knicks dominated the board and paint, on both ends of the court, but way too many turnovers. Again, Carmelo struggled with his jumpers going 1-for-6. With Jeffries out, they're going to need STAT on Monday. Sounds like it's not too serious, and hopefully it won't stiffen up again tomorrow or Monday. JLin's knees should be fine....just "over-used." Looking back at the highlights, it looks like the traveling call on JLin was questionable. After replaying it, looks like he caught the ball with his left foot already on the ground, before his two steps. Is that traveling? Here are JLin's highlights of tonight's game. You make the call.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Srw000dTOg

    Also, there was another game a week ago where he was called for traveling, and after replaying several times, JLin only took 2 side-steps going to the hoop. Another bad call.

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    1. Yeah, he does tend to take quick short steps, instead of long steps like other players. Probably to maintain more control of the ball and avoid injury.

      Refs are terrible at calling travelling and charge/block calls.

      Can they really see if a player's pivot foot has left the ground before the dribble ball hits the floor ? OF COURSE NOT, NOBODY CAN SEE ALL THAT IN A SPLIT SECOND.

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    2. Don't post youtube links that are just stolen videos. Here's the original video from geraldd39:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1A4__UMx98

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  32. Gotta take better care of the ball..


    by the way saw these shirts on skreened.com if anyone's interested: http://skreened.com/linspired/

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  33. This was a decent win, but I still really hope Woodson doesn't get the job full time. I agree with the assessment below that Woodson will install his own offense in the off season and it will truly be the Carmelo/Amare show. We'll see what happens : http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/sports/basketball/knicks-woodson-runs-similar-show-lin-stays-in-picture.html

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    1. i think we should give woodson more of chance. so far i've liked what i've seen and the couple of games that Lin had under woodson with better D and very efficient scoring were great games. the 3/17 pacer game and the 3/20 raptor game were two of his best games to date. he ran the point very well got people involved in the offense and still created havoc but it was focused and he picked the right time to do it. those are the kinds of games he can really build on. i know the linsanity era games were fantastic to watch but the woodson games have been more impressive.

      he gets a bad rap because of the "iso joe" label in atlanta but the thing is for the players he had in atlanta it was the right offense to run. i think he's smart enough to realize he has better pieces in NY that will allow him to do better things that he did in atlanta. his offense in atlanta was 3rd in the league in offensive efficiency. when he left the new coach promised more ball movement and getting away from running the offense through joe johnson but the offensive efficiency actually dropped. it's because woodson made the correct assessment of the talent and skills of his team and i think he will do the same with the knicks.

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  34. Lin doesn't get calls right now at all. But all beginning players go through this. Once he becomes more established he'll get a lot more calls.

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  35. Chandler said they let one slip away at the Air Canada Center on Friday because they didn't come out with the energy they needed to. So on the flight back from Toronto, the Knicks' manager of player security, who the players call "Big Max," had the idea that Chandler should bring his championship ring to the game Saturday night against the Pistons for extra motivation.

    And that's just what he did, speaking to the team pregame about the makings of a champion.

    "He talks a lot about sacrifice, defense and just putting everything aside in terms of individual stuff, whether it's off the court, on the court, egos, roles, whatever," Jeremy Lin said. "He just talks about how we have to just buy in and only care about the team and the team only."

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/15099/championship-ring-images-inspire-knicks


    This was right after Toronto game, and to me, it again suggests that jealousy of Lin's instant fame and his clutch performance / fearless because he is not afraid to fail comment by Woodson after Philly game was rearing it's ugly head again.

    You know good defensive teams like Heat, Bulls, Celtics, etc. are going to try and get this superficially team first Knicks team to implode by making things very difficult in playoffs and see if they all start point fingers and playing selfish ball.

    Hopefully, Knicks can truly come together under Chandler's leadership of what it takes to win championship, but only time will tell...

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  36. Hey, everybody. I've been silently browsing this site for a few weeks now and I just want to share some of my thoughts.

    First, I think (IMO) Jeremy should quit his NBA career for his own safety. It pisses me off that whenever I watch him play, he is pretty much always getting hit by other players. Some of the hits look very intentional (3/23 Toronto game, Andrea Bargnani bumps into Jeremy causing him to fall, or another game where someone just shoves Jeremy, I forgot which game/team, and of course the Jason Kidd hairpulling, etc..).
    He is getting some calls now, but I don't think it's worth it. All these bumps/shoves/pushes/falls add up and it's going to cause serious injuries sooner or later.

    Concerning the Jason Kidd foul on Jeremy, I actually emailed the NBA, their reply was basically Kidd was deflecting the ball and it was not a flagrant foul. WHAT a LOAD of BS. Pulling someone's hair is NOT DEFLECTING the ball. Kidd should have been immediately ejected and suspended/fined. No wonder, afterwards he missed those free throws probably got a concussion falling like that.

    Not to mention, certain individuals (on forums/in the media) are pretty much always criticizing him (not in a good way). Whether the Knicks lose or win, these individuals always got something negative to say about Jeremy. A nasty mofo even called Jeremy the "c" word on his own twitter page. I don't think anyone would even dare call a black NBA player the "n" word on twitter.


    I actually have a lot more to say, but I'm just going to keep it short and sweet. Also, everything I have said is my own opinion, no criticisms please. Except, for what I said about the NBA/Jason Kidd reply back part, that is true (if you don't believe me, email the NBA yourself, I used the Comments/Suggestions selection to contact the NBA, not sure if the reply would have been different if I used another selection, or if they changed their ruling by now).

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  37. The more the games the Knicks play, the more the coach will realize that iso-game is not getting the job done. How many missed shots and turnovers were the result of isolation plays. Carmelo is struggling to score on his man, even if he's guarded by an elite defender, he has very low chance of putting the ball through the hoop.

    Woodson will see that pick-and-roll game is still scoring the most points efficiently. In the game vs. Detroit Pistons, they wen't with the pick and roll twice as much as the Toronto game.

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  38. I think Woodson wants to motivate the superstars by playing it their way. That way he won't get fired or forced to "resigned" like MDA.

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    1. Their way is not the best way. It is the coach's job to impose his vision for the team.

      "Play it their way", does not always lead to wins or a post-season. It might lead to terrible losses. Every other NBA team plays with discipline and teamwork.

      Even the top teams like OKC, Miami, and Chicago are more the result of good coaching with a working system.

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    3. ^ I feel the same.

      MDA, though his coaching plays/strategy is debatable.
      At least, he wasn't a suckup like the current coach.

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    4. The problem with D'Antoni's coaching wasn't the offense. They were scoring a lot of points, but giving up way too many points and rebounds on the DEFENSIVE END.

      If they can get Melo and Amare to play defense with intensity, but at the same time run D'Antoni's pick and roll with Lin. This team would be good.

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  39. I'm all for giving Woodson a chance, but I've seen some things that make the alarm bell go off.
    Here are some examples:
    1) As I mentioned before, the previous Toronto game was really bad coaching. He should have made some adjustments in the game other than throwing Baron in for extended minutes. Great coaches are adept at making the adjustments within a game (ie see different sport...Bill Belicheck)
    (2) In his post-game interview after the Detroit game, Woodson mentioned that he would talk to Jeremy and Baron later to reduce their turnovers because it was a big concern. It's clear to me that he doesn't tolerate mistakes, and this is anathema to Jeremy's development and playing style (Landry too). Their style of basketball and players they have will result in a large number of turnovers at time...unless of course they intend to change their style of play eventually(see my article link above). I believe Woodson wants to put in his own offensive system in place which will feature Amare and Carmelo, but he can't do that now in the shortened season. This system will be iso based and will involve slowing the game down in a more traditional grind-it out type of basketball. This won't fit the team, and there will eventually be issues.
    (3)I'm still not sure he believes that the team really needs Jeremy to play well in order to win. Once he took over, I was concerned that the minute Jeremy started struggling, Woodson would get trigger happy and put in Baron. He did that in Toronto, and I'm sure it will happen again. He needs to let Jeremy play through it at times.

    As I mentioned before, he's a good coach, but not great. His specialty is on the defensive end as we all know. I know I might sound like Steven A Smith talking about Jeremy with how I talk about Woodson especially since they are now 6-1,but the victories are a result of an increase in defensive intensity and rebounding. His ideal offense has yet to be implemented so we'll see what happens.

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  40. you know what, maybe it's the assistants that Woodson's gotten in (his ex-coach is acting as advisor as well right?) that are whispering the wrong things into his ear.

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  41. It doesn't matter in the end.

    Jeremy Lin is one of the NBA's best players and will force any coach to play him.

    I fully expect the Knicks to draft a point guard in the 2012 draft to replace Lin. But that poor kid is going to get POUNDED in practice by Lin-structor. Jeremy Lin basically Lin-barrassed the Knicks coaching staff into playing him by beating down the Knick guards so badly in practice that they had nothing left for actual games.

    If Woodson is dumb enough to bench Lin next year, I would enjoy watching Lin go on a rampage against whatever hapless starter the Knicks put in front of him.

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    1. You sounded like everyone in the knicks staff are against JLin. How do u know that for sure? The way i see it, it's probably Woodson and his entourage that wanted to install the new offensive system. The old staff seems to be on JLin side. I'm pretty sure Woodson wouldn't be here next year. This organisation always wanted a big name.

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    2. KHuang, it is really hard to take you seriously. Put the bottle away, dude.

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    3. Stop your flaming, TVN.

      If you want to get personal with me, I can get personal with you.

      You just can't stop hating people who like Lin. I don't know what your motivation is, but you need to grow up NOW.

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    5. Nothing wrong with liking Lin, I do myself. However, you are way to over-the-top. I hope Lin eventually becomes one of the best players the the League, but for now, he's a good young player with lots of room for improvement.

      So, take your own advice and grow up. Your behavior on this blog is nothing short of comical.

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    6. What a mean and nasty person you are.

      You AGREE with my assessments and STILL you flame me? You're just a JERK.

      By the way, you are "comically" unaware that Lin's assist rate places him among the top 5 point guards in the league ahead of Chris Paul. Plus, the Knicks lost about 33% of their games without Lin but have won 62% of their games with him. Obviously you can't figure out that only an elite player can bring that kind of improvement to a team.

      I'd rather be "comical" than WRONG and MEAN like you.

      You keep coming at me? I'll keep coming at you.

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    7. oops. "won 33%", not "lost". Bad typo.

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    8. lol you guys are like lin's parents.

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    9. I'm Taiwanese, so yes jubeininja69.

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