Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Knicks vs Blazers Game Thread

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  1. Lin won't break 30 minutes tonight, I hope I'm wrong.

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    1. dude you were right only because it was a blow out game.

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    2. A lot of people (pundits and fans alike) immediately speculated that Lin will be relegated to be a non-factor (in so many words). The exact same starters with 8-15 with one coach will not drastically change with another coach. Though my perception may be wrong, just watch.

      I've started not just NOT ROOT for the Knicks - but to actually root for their opponents (but rooting for Lin's stats - which he will continue to improve relative to minutes played).

      Today they won big, BUT Portland is in a bad shape.... AND - whenever there's a coach change, ALL teams improve in short term (any team in any sports - a strange phenomenon). On paper, the Knicks' team have the talent to improve greatly (actually, s/h/been all along), but I believe a crucial "rotten apple" in the basket will prevent it from happening enough to make the playoffs..... Ahhhh.... no more conflicting emotions for me; now I am rooting for the Celtics wholeheartedly. Go Celtics !!!! ..... Go Jeremy Lin !!!!!

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    3. bryce blog - "only because it was a blow out game" Not true. It is no secret that Anthony "demands" to play with Davis as a PG because he cooperates in giving balls to Anthony always..... Reader comments from pre-Lin Knicks' fans from other blogs and ezines give a lot of insights (after discounting the obvious "fanboys" and "fangirls" - of which I am one ;-).

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  2. will JLin just be in the bench today? :(

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  3. Melo 7 shots in 9 minutes. New coach pulls Lin out after 6 mins, puts Baron in. Keith Smart 2.0 situation, the temp coach is going to give his big names free reign and Lin will have less of a chance

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  4. jeremy being put in with the first team is being put in a position to fail. Let baron play with melo and amare and screw things up.

    idiots

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    1. I agree with you. Even if JLin plays 25 minutes per game, the important thing is that he plays well and smart.

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    2. Totally disagree. Lin is playing well and will develop faster by continuing to start and play 30+ minutes. Based on any metrics this yr Lin is better than Baron this year.

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    3. Let both play and create some healthy competition. B. Davis can play also, but he can also learn a lot from B. Davis and that will only help him. I predict 25 to 28 minutes per game for JLin for the rest of the season. Right now, you can't say JLin or B. Davis is clearly better than the other.

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    4. Actually, every stat or metric shows Lin is better this season. Lin is young and the best thing for his game and future development is to play 30+ mins a game. Really don't get some of your obsessions with Baron Davis, he's never been a winner in the NBA. His defense is even worse too.

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  5. i don't understand what's happening with this game. seems odd.

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    1. portland is playing like dog shit. I have never seen a team play this bad against the knicks this year. knicks are not even trying.

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    2. I would not be surprised if Blazers' coach gets fired soon.

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    3. Blazer's coach is fired today.

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  6. ack...loss of d'antoni is going to mean game over for lin :( only a matter of time before he's replaced as starter by baron davis. keith smart 2.0 is right.

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    1. dude I don't mind lin not starting. let baron play with melo and amare. Lin needs to be with his guys on the second unit.

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    2. Exactly. I don't think the loss of D'antoni will mean JLin won't start as long as he plays smart. If he can get experience this year and improves more during off-season and gets a better contract, that will be good.

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    3. "loss of d'antoni is going to mean game over for lin..."
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      Agree.... However, Jeremy is better off playing with the good guys, the 2nd team. But I think you ARE right, simply because the 2nd team is 2nd team - thus they will play a lot less. Then again, what counts to other NBA owners is Lin's performance per played minutes.

      IN ANY CASE, I believe Lin is in a great place to control his own basketball career.
      He needs to realize and take it in that indeed he holds the trump card, because all the owners now know that he can play in the NBA, and that he can only get better (simply cos of experience, practice, training, funds, etc); and a significant icing on the cake is his marketability..... Unfortunately, the ungrateful Dolan already made a ton of $$$$$$ money off of Lin .... and another team owner will make $$$$$ too (just not as much NY did)

      Mike D made a ton of money for the rich airhead Dolan (tho accidentally). Did Dolan realize it? He didn't even allow Mike D to coach just one more game (vs an EASY TEAM, Trail Blazers), instead of orchestrating the MISLEADING scenerio "Oh My!!!! .... Woodson's first as a headcoach..... What a blowout!!!!" lmao). Very unthoughtful, stupid, and impulsive of Dolan (the same character attributes that caused him to heavily "mortgage" his future team with the Anthony-no-defense trade).

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    4. "his future team": I meant his team's future

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    5. Did Dolan realize it? Mna, i would tell you right now, no, he doesn't and he will never.I guess you are very young, so you might be not familiar with this guy.from jeff van gundy, starbury, lenny wilkens, larry borwn, isiah thomas, to melo and d'antoni...and as same as usual, knicks is looking for another savior, phil jackson or jerry sloan, it's fun to watch this jim "dumb" dolan keep making the same mistakes...knicks is back to normal

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  7. Keep Lin as the starter. Baron Davis is old and has a higher turnover rate per minute. I'd rather have Lin starting 30+ mins a game than try to prove some stupid point about the 2nd unit.

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  8. I like this coach Mike Woodson. You can tell he's a smart coach. Look at the defensive traps. Blazers are playing bad for a reason. Plus, I like how he brings the second unit early. I think that's Key. You have a deep excellent bench. Let them get involved early. You can see some offensive plays that have been set up for Melo using Lin. This may be ultimately better for Lin. He has got to learn to be more of a true point guard rather than Rose type of PG. Dantoni leaving may have been the best thing for the Knicks... but we shall see. I think you'll them play better. My call is they'll win vs the Pacers in both games.
    Lin will shoot less but will avg ~10 assists.

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    1. I just can't agree with you. people keep critizing d'antoni doesn't know defense which is really really bothering me. Do you really need a assistant denfense coach to tell players to do defense??? im 100% positive that Mike woodson didn;t even know what to do before the game. they were doing exactly what d'antoni had been asking them to do for yrs in the game. oh, so i finally see melo stood outside the 3 point line and rotated the ball, but why he didn;t do it before?????knicks is stuck, no exit, they won't be a strong playoff contender in the next 5 yrs. i wish JLIN can leave this team ASAP, but i remember he has a restricted contract thru 2013.....d'antoni will land his job this summer for sure, n if jlin can follow this guy, his future will be shine. i still remember clearly how this guy brought suns from losing team to win 62 wins team, n how he had transformed nash from "white man can't jump" PG to 2 times MVP.....i just can't stand for people keep blaming on d'antoni about his no defense because what stupid barlkey said. iamn shrumpert or jeffreis dun need coach to teach them defense, n melo and stat would never play defense. BTW, who hired this stupid mike woodson, again its dolan. assistant defense coach??? w a joke...

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  9. How much of this game is the Knicks playing well and how much is it the Blazers sucking?

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    1. I would say 30% Knicks playing well and 70% Blazers sucking bad.

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  10. JLin sometimes tries to force passes unnecessarily which leads to TOs. No need to try to force passes when the spacing isn't there. He needs to learn: 1) better dribble to left; 2) Passing more smartly and not force them; and 3) Improve shooting. If he can improve on these during off-season, he can be one of the better PGs in NBA.

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    1. Lin is already one of the top 15 starting PG's in the NBA...

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    2. This is where Lin's combo-guard handle gets him in trouble as a PG. He doesn't always get to the spots on the court where he should be in order to make the passes he wants to make.

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  11. At 7:19 in the 1st Qtr, Raymond Felton is seen throwing a fist or elbow and hits Jeremy in the face. Referee didn't see / do anything about it. What's up with that?

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  12. JR Smith raining 3's after the blowout already happened. He's a head case, don't feel like he rises under pressure.

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  13. bibby by coming in for lin! harrelson coming in for chandler with 7 minutes left!!

    game over

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  14. 6 pts 4 rebs 6 assists, 6 TOs, only took 4 shots. Hmm.

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  15. how many mins did lin get? i don't care about the knicks. i just care for lin and what he does. as long as he plays well and get mins starting or not.

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    1. he played 22 minutes it was a blowout game. And don't mean to be rude but it's pretty simple to check the boxscore ESPN Yahoo, NBA.com, CBS Sports.

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    2. yes i can easily check the box score but the game just ended and the box scores are not updated yet until now.

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    3. GWST11 - me too, all I care about is Lin. 22 minutes is a lot more than I thought the new head coach would give Lin, but it sends Lin the message loud and clear that he's getting LESS THAN 1/2 the game time; thus I suspect he'll never get more than 23 minutes (Woodson will designate one minimum wage clerk specifically to tally Lin's minutes).

      I can't stand any ego athletes who gets a coach to "resign"; could naturally let it happen but to give the owner the ultimatum .... A team with that kind of bad apple will likely never win a championship.

      I noticed that Lin TO'ed 2 wuthin just first few minutes, when against the #1 team in the entire league (last Mon against Bull) he TO'ed just 3 in 33 minutes. By the way turnovers happen all the time by everybody - it's really OK as long as the team wins; average if 4 or 5 TO's by a PG is nothing to worry about; Lin is improving all facets of his game at a relatively rapid rate.

      I'm betting that Lin will leave NY after this season. He is a RFA but *free agent* nontheless. After matching up to $5 mil (they might, only because Lin will still be a cash cow), Lin may choose another team - even for less money. Otherwise Lin will not have the opportunity to be with a winning team. I was reading that Knicks' salary cap is all tied up due to the "big 3", especially Anthony (his contract is bigger than LeBron's as well as all other MVP candiates !!!)

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  16. is 22 mins the lowest since the linsanity?

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  17. That was a weird game. Portland played so badly it's hard to tell if the Knicks were actually better or just hitting a lot of 3s.

    Jeremy actually played well despite the high turnovers. One was a charge. Another was a pass that bounced off Amare's hands. Great long-bomb outlet passes to Melo. Bothered Felton all night. Nice hustling rebounds and a sweet fast break finish. He was a mixed bag but good overall.

    I hope no one wants Baron to start because of this one game. He got a ton of "Rondo-assists" tonight (easy passes to hot shooters) but only went 1-4 with no defense at all. He's a good backup option. But that's it.

    This upcoming two-game series against Indiana should be a much better barometer of the "new" Knicks. The Bobcats would have beaten tonight's Portland team.

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    1. Sign of change under Woodson: Lin and Davis only took 4 shots each.

      If those shot totals indicate the trend for Knicks PGs, the stat lines will look bad for Lin if the TOs continue to be high but his scoring and assist output isn't outsizing the TOs.

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    2. of course who needs pgs when they are running isolation plays?

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  18. Off subject:

    I am wondering aloud if Portland's extremely rainy climate affects their injury rate and emotional malaise.

    Here in Phx, many seniors retire here because of the dry stable climate. Guys like Grant Hill and Steve Nash have enjoyed good health here, though Stoudemire has not. For sure, the climate here does help people's health in general.

    Does anybody else wonder about Portland and the curse of their injury rate?

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  19. Actually I thought Dantoni's firing might turn out to be a real dumb move in terms of business for the Knicks. If it turns out jlin does not sign with the Knicks after the season because how this whole thing is handled and how Knicks management caved in to melo, then all the money the can make with jlin will be out he door as well.

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    1. My thoughts EXACTLY! I'm betting that Lin will leave NY after this season: IT WILL ABSOLUTELY BE IN JEREMY LIN'S BEST INTEREST. He is a RFA but *free agent* nontheless. After matching up to $5 mil, Lin may choose another team - even for less money.... I hope he picks a young team to grow with and gel for a long time (with great enforcers), a team that knows "united we stand".

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  20. I am sure he will have some offers from other teams. The key is that he keeps on improving his weak points and reach his potential.

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  21. Knicks cannot afford to let JLin go. His non basketball marketing value to a team is off the charts. The Knicks hold his mid level right next year.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7583558/nba-how-new-york-knicks-keep-jeremy-lin

    Yao Ming pulls in 35 million a year in endorsement deals. JLin will end up making most of his money outside the NBA. JLin has become a hero to people of east Asian descent.

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  22. I believe LIN will keep the starting point guard but with less minutes as Baron minutes will go up so it will be something this this LIN 25 - Baron 23 minutes...

    LIN future will depend on if Woodson stays as a head coach with the knicks and the team makes it out of the the first round of the playoffs this with LIN as a starter..Then I don't see why he would not come back to NYK?

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    1. I may be cynical, but my gut intuition is that Woodson will make sure that Lin wouldn't get more than 23 minutes, to make sure that Lin would not outshine his precious Melo boy - and also to send a psychologically powerful and efficient message to both Lin and Anthony that playing Lin *LESS THAN 1/2* will "ensure that Anthony will be the ONLY star on the team" because he responds and motivates better that way.

      Also, I perceived a real sly cheap-shot comment by Woodson (that speaks about his character) that implied that Mike should have done better coaching because the team is "deeper than the ocean... s/b a peace of cake" sort of speak..... lol. Woodson was a losing coach for the Hawks.

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  23. Am I the only one that feels that Jlin would be better somewhere else other than NY. Maybe the Mavs or Lakers. I kind of have a feeling he's going to be pushed out of the starting lineup. But a part of me also think that Dantoni leaving might be the best thing to happen to Lin. There was a report that Dantoni was looking for a trade for D williams. If that would have happened Lin would have been relegated to bench for sure. I'm kind of torn. Hopefully Jlin can improve his play. I think that's the only way he keeps the starting point. Less turnovers and more assists. The scoring is not as important, I think.

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    1. Exactly. Keep feeding assists, reduce TOs and work on his shooting (especially his free throws), and he has a bright future. 10 points, 10+ assists and less than 3 TOs per game should be the goal. I see that he needs to use a better judgment on when to pass and when to shoot: felt like he's forcing up shots or forcing to make great plays.

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  24. The only thing JLin can do is keep improving as fast as he can. JLin has a major drawing power at several teams, so that he will have the leverage. Whether he gets 25 or 35 minutes is not that important; what he does in those minutes and how he uses them to improve his game will determine whether Linsanity will turn out to be Linspirational in long term. He has a good head on his shoulder and his faith, and I think he can do it.

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