Sunday, March 25, 2012

Knicks-Pistons Redux

Some links of interest:

33 comments:

  1. The article above made an interesting point. It basically says that Woodson has not had time to implement his ISO offense, so he has had to stick with Lin out of necessity.

    But if he is given Knicks job and has a full off-season and training camp, he might go with his beloved ISO offense that would marginalize Lin.

    This may be one reason to hope that Woodson is NOT brought back:

    "Those who have worked with Woodson said that, given the time, he certainly would install more of his own offense. In Atlanta, that meant much less pick-and-roll action and not nearly as much freedom for the point guard.

    Given the full-time job and a full training camp, “I think we would see the original Woody, the Atlanta Woody,” the former associate said.

    The end of Linsanity as we know it? Perhaps. But it’s probably best to refrain from speculative declarations for now."

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  2. It takes a smart NBA GM who understands the games of NBA of offer JLin a contract that NYK does not want to match during the offseason. Then build a team around JLin. It might not win the championship the first couple of years but it will definitely be a winning team for sure. Give JLin 2 year the team would be a contender. Any NBA team has such GM?

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    1. Nope.

      No GM in the entire NBA is smart enough to build a team around an Asian American player whose team won 38% of its games without him and 62% with him.

      If those GMs were that smart, Lin would have been drafted in the first place. Right now, Lin is the best player in the 2010 draft even over DeMarcus Cousins who is racking up stats and attitude problems on a losing team.

      I posted in the Pistons thread that I fully expect the Knicks to draft a PG to replace Lin in the starting lineup. Then we can watch Linstructor destroy that rookie in games and in practices.

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    2. But Knicks don't have any draft picks this year. They traded their future picks to Denver for Melo.

      Lin will be a restricted Free agent with a maximum salary of $5 million. Which is not a lot of money. The Knicks will match that salary.

      They will probably sign a big name free agent PG like Steve Nash or Andre Miller (more likely).

      Lin will probably come off the bench as backup point guard.

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    3. Do the Knicks have enough cap space to sign Nash or Miller?

      I don't know enough about the new CBA to know how the salary cap works. Regardless, I would imagine that the Knicks would have to trade some of their current players to create the cap space for Nash or Miller.

      Personally, I'm not convinced that a big name pg could provide more wins and better production for the Knicks. Besides, Jeremy Lin is going to play lots of minutes because of his stellar production.

      Funny things happen at the NBA draft. Just because a team doesn't have a pick doesn't mean that they can't get one. For example, the Phoenix Suns have historically sold off many of their picks for cash.

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    5. If I recall correctly, Nash would have to take a HUGE pay cut and accept one of the "exception" salaries or veteran's minimum. While most stars would never do this, Nash is the sort of mensch that would consider it.

      But that was when D'Antoni was here. And Lin was just a 15th man. I doubt he would come here now. And if he did, Dolan would risk alienating Lin, which he doesn't want to do. Jeremy is a super-talented, super-marketable young player who could solve the Knicks' PG needs for the next decade.

      If Dolan and/or Woodson hinders J-Lin's progress, Jeremy won't (and shouldn't) hesitate to bolt after 2013. The Lakers would die to have him as their "PG of the Future." So would the Suns post-Nash. And Toronto. And half the other teams in the league.

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  3. They can get a draft pick. But one thing about NY Knicks is they are all about Big Name Superstars. They will not take a chance on a rookie PG. They are not like Golden State, picking up Charles Jenkins before they even had a chance to evaluate Lin.

    It would have to be a proven veteran like Nash, Joe Johnson, Andre Miller, etc. The Knicks are the highest paid team in the NBA and not afraid to go over the salary cap. They do have some expiring contracts Bibby, Jeffries, etc. that they can use to create space with.
    I think that would best be used on a free agent shooting guard. Landry Fields is not getting it done.

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  4. Two questions have to be answered before we can really speculate about Jeremy's future:
    (1) Will Woodson come back as head coach? I predict the Knicks will make the playoffs and will rise as high as the 5th seed. In the longer term, as I've mentioned many times, I don't think he's the right coach to take them to the next level. While Dantoni may have been too offense focused, I think Woodson is the other way around. The lack of offensive flow will be an issue with his teams as we witnessed in Toronto and even Detroit though they won the game. Jeremy's shot attempts have gone way down in the Woodson era. It's going to take an incredible coach to get the most offensively out of the current group (cough cough Phil Jackson)
    (2) Is Dolan greedy enough to see the potential cash cow Jeremy is going to be moving forward, and build a franchise around him? Will this greed prompt him to get a coach that will be able to finally mesh the talents of Carmelo, Amare, and Jeremy to bring them to become a championship caliber team? Or will Dolan's huge ego and his desire to prove that the Carmelo trade was the right decision incite him to make a bunch of bad moves?

    In my opinion, I think the Knicks will make the playoffs and make it out of the second round. Even so, I think the Knicks will pursue a big name coach (ie Phil Jackson or Jerry Sloan), which would be awesome for Jeremy.

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  5. On a totally separate note, can you believe this link? http://dimemag.com/2010/09/the-warriors-have-the-next-steve-nash-on-their-roster/ . The guy who wrote this should be a scout and not the majority of current NBA scouting knuckle heads.

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  6. I posted this yesterday - any answer?

    Here's an article sub-titled 'Lin unlikely to slip through New York Knicks' hands in free agency this NBA offseason'
    http://lin-sanity.net/Lin-Sanity_News.html

    Question: Does anyone know whether Lin is really *stuck* with the Knicks for at least another year?.... The article was too complicated for me, I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND it entirely or clearly.

    I'm hoping there is a loophole for Jeremy Lin to sign with another team this offseason, if he and his family believe it's in his best interest.

    It seems like there are so many negatives to staying with the Knicks (not even including the cold weather), but the three (3) most important reasons probably are:

    1) The owner Dolan's judgments are not good - and he does not work *with* coaches (look him up in NYTimes).

    2) Dolan has made Carmelo the identity of the Knicks, evident by that stupid trade and the monster contract in 2011.... Melo has stated that he doesn't like to play with Lin (we guessed this, but now it's out as a fact).... Melo will not be traded; besides, his value have dropped drastically, thus he can't be traded without losing a lot of money (but Dolan is rolling in dough, thanks to marketing of Lin ... even if traded, it's not good enough).

    3) If Woodson is promoted to a permanent coach: We all know about his public statements that were antagonistic, derogatory, and condescending towards Lin (imagine what he thinks about Lin PRIVATELY). He also wants to make Lin a backup PG as soon as he can - just for the rest of this season it's NOT SOLELY Woodson's call because: 1) Lack of practice time to implement 100% of what he wants (read it today). 2) Lin still playing well. 3) Injury prone Davis. 4) Carmelo not playing well as expected (thus less clout on his part when considered along with all of the above factors). 5) Right now Woodson is trying to win any way he can, in a sense auditioning to become a permanent coach (whether with the Knicks or another team).

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  7. Here's an article sub-titled 'Lin unlikely to slip through New York Knicks' hands in free agency this NBA offseason'
    http://lin-sanity.net/Lin-Sanity_News.html

    Question: Does anyone know whether Lin is really *stuck* with the Knicks for at least another year?.... The article was too complicated for me, I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND it entirely or clearly.

    I'm hoping there is a loophole for Jeremy Lin to sign with another team this offseason, if he and his family believe it's in his best interest.

    It seems like there are so many negatives to staying with the Knicks (not even including the cold weather), but the three (3) most important reasons probably are:

    1) The owner Dolan's judgments are not good - and he does not work *with* coaches (look him up in NYTimes).

    2) Dolan has made Carmelo the identity of the Knicks, evident by that stupid trade and the monster contract in 2011.... Melo has stated that he doesn't like to play with Lin (we guessed this, but now it's out as a fact).... Melo will not be traded; besides, his value have dropped drastically, thus he can't be traded without losing a lot of money (but Dolan is rolling in dough, thanks to marketing of Lin ... even if traded, it's not good enough).

    3) If Woodson is promoted to a permanent coach: We all know about his public statements that were antagonistic, derogatory, and condescending towards Lin (imagine what he thinks about Lin PRIVATELY). He also wants to make Lin a backup PG as soon as he can - just for the rest of this season it's NOT SOLELY Woodson's call because: 1) Lack of practice time to implement 100% of what he wants (read it today). 2) Lin still playing well. 3) Injury prone Davis. 4) Carmelo not playing well as expected (thus less clout on his part when considered along with all of the above factors). 5) Right now Woodson is trying to win any way he can, in a sense auditioning to become a permanent coach (whether with the Knicks or another team).

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  8. If I were the Knicks boss, I will definitely keep Lin in the team and start him in every game for the following reasons:

    1. Lin is the hottest NBA star now. In order to capture the Chinese or the Asian market, Lin is a good name to start with. Lin has inspired so many Asian basketball players, especially those who are from China and Taiwan. I am sure Knicks can sell more jerseys and other merchandise with Lin in the team. Jeremy Lin is the duck that lays gold eggs today.

    2. Apart from the duck story, Lin can play too. Lin has proved that he can lead the team to another level with high motivation and inspiration. I don't know how much the Knicks would lose for trading Melo off, but I am sure they have a lot more to lose if they keep Melo and dump Lin at the end of the season. Start a poll for the Knicks fans, choose in between Melo and Lin, we know who we should give up.

    3. Lin is still pretty 'economy' (CHEAP) compare to Rondo, Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Steve Nash.
    - Rondo's Boston is ranking one place higher only than the Knicks. Don't forget that they are a more established team with most of the veterans and superstar players have made to a few Playoff previously. They are supposed to be very much higher than where they currently are, but they aren't now.
    - Clippers are not good with some of the big names in the team such Chris Paul, Billup, Mo, Griffin and Butler. I was expecting that they would have ranked the first two in the conference.
    - Deron Williams and Steve Nash, you won't bee seeing them if the Playoff starts tomorrow, but Lin will.

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    1. Well, the Clippers were doing great until Chauncey Billups went down with that season ending knee injury.

      The Clippers traded for Nick Young who was jetissoned by Washington for immaturity issues. I haven't followed the Clippers enough to know if that was subtraction by addition.

      Last season, I did not agree with Danny Ainge getting rid of both Glen Davis and Kendrick Perkins. With Jeff Green's contract being deleted because of heart surgery and Jermaine O'Neal having constant knee problems, the Celtics needed to retain at least one of those young big men.

      Steve Nash is still playing great, but his lack of quality teammates have resulted in up and down games for him too. He averages 3.6 TOs a game or something like that. Nash has one and a half teammates that can play, and those are Marcin Gortat who has taken over STAT's role as primary big man passing target and Grant Hill who is showing signs of age but is still an excellent player.

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    2. To Tiuniasing:

      Agh... Sigh.... We ALL KNOW all that !$%^!!

      You're speaking as a Dolan/Knicks fan (;-(((which is fine BUT you're replying to my post) ... It's obvious that I'm speaking as a Jeremy Lin fan.

      I couldn't care less about the Knicks per se; of course the knicks would be stupid to not re-sign Lin (Dolan could do that - only he is also GREEDY, so); they are legally robbing Jeremy Lin blind right now, rolling in a pile of unearned excess $$$$. Other big stars get paid big money because their team's non-game profit gets folded into the stars' salary.

      Let some other more appreciative team make some windfall money off of Lin while allowing him to thrive and do his thing without so much tension, conflict, and drama that is Dolan-Melo-NY.

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    3. Tiuniasing: Sorry if I'm wrong; maybe you were NOT replying to my post lol. It's just that your post is right after my post.

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    4. KHuang, you are right, Clippers were good, too bad Billups is out for the rest of this season.

      Boston starting 5, Rondo, Allen, Pierce, and Garnett, these name can flood the Knicks easily on paper. But the point is, they are not far ahead of the Knicks.

      Steve Nash is good, but he can't play magic without good teammates. This sounds similar to the Knicks. If he were to join the Knicks, he could have been facing the same problem as what Lin is facing now. My point is, the Knicks have to get to the root of the problem and solve it. By getting an experienced point guard like Nash or whoever will not make much changes, in my opinion.

      displayname, I am not replying to your post, definitely. I am hoping the Knicks's boss would consider my points and choose the right direction for the sake of the team and fans. Unless he is stupid enough to think Melo can lead the team to the Playoff despite having fail in the beginning of the season, before Jeremy took up the starting role.

      Actually I never doubt Melo can play. I think he was good and he played well in the international games. His problem isn't with his skill but psychology. Perhaps he needs a coach who can read him better to get the best out of him.

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  9. its up to lin to improve next year dramatically. Then he can pick and choose the best team for him to play on. Woodson will not be back next year, bet on it.

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  10. Did anyone see this article? Even after Jeremy Lin's 18 point, 10 assist, 3 turnover game against the Pacers, NBA "experts" and scouts at the game were still saying he was a D-League player. The soft bigotry and prejudice of low expectations... For some "experts" it doesn't matter what Jeremy Lin does. It's hard to break through prejudice, discrimination, and stereotypes.


    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/judging_jeremy_never_ending_journey_jZAyjokqa5fMPDovPtrhoM?utm_campaign=OutbrainA&utm_source=OutbrainArticlepages&obref=obinsource

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  11. well, it's these supposed "expert" talent scouts that missed the boat completely on the potential of JLin coming out of college. They're just covering their arses or they are not allowed to talk about a future FA they're going to pursue.

    Do these idiot scouts realize that a "D-League player" wouldn't even be getting minutes in at this level? A D-League worthy player means they only get minutes at the D-League.

    Let's take the guard that Dallas chose over Jeremy when they let him to go to GSW, Roddy Beaubois. Right now, he's averaging:

    22 mins/game: 9.1p / 2.7a / 2.9r / 1.3to / FG:42.7%, 3FG:29.7%

    Now let's compare that to Jeremy

    27 mins/game: 14.6p / 6.1a / 3.1r / 3.6to / FG: 44.6%, 3FG:32%

    Geez, isn't that proof enough you idiot "scouts" ?

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    1. and those stats include when Jeremy was getting garbage time minutes pre-starting days.

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    2. Get your facts straight.

      Dallas didn't "choose" anyone over Jeremy, they offered him a 1-year rookie contract, and so did the Lakers and Golden State.

      Jeremy WANTED to play for Golden State because that's his hometown, he grew up a Warriors fan (Don't know why, they suck). That was his choice.

      Dallas Mavericks General Manager Donnie Nelson was the first one to discover him, and invited him to their summer camp, WHEN NO OTHER NBA TEAM WOULD.

      Jeremy gave much thanks to Donnie Nelson for being the first one to see his potential and give him a chance,

      http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-mavericks/headlines/20120209-donnie-nelson-in-2010-mavericks-felt-knicks-star-jeremy-lin-was-theirs.ece

      http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/13681/lin-remains-grateful-to-mavs-nelson

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    3. And Donnie Nelson was going to send Lin to his D league Texas Legends team for the entire year with no chance for an NBA callup.

      Rodrigue Beaubois was chosen over Lin to make the NBA roster. Dallas's 2010 1st round pick Dominique Jones pick played the entire season in the D league.

      Dallas really did choose Beaubois and Jones over Lin. Plus, Lin's rookie season would have been utterly wasted in the D league under Donnie Nelson's orders. There would be no Linsanity, and Lin would not have been in the NBA at all this season.

      Lin smartly avoided Dallas because he correctly surmised that Golden State would give him NBA minutes. Even though Keith Smart fired himself off GS by disobeying Joe Lacob's orders to make Lin the backup PG, Lin still got NBA minutes that he never would've gotten at Dallas.

      I don't understand why people disregard the fact that Donnie Nelson would not have let Lin play in the NBA for his rookie season.

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    4. AT the time of signing, the depth situation in GS wasn't all that much better with the guards on their squad. http://www.webcitation.org/5uLFw2hQG

      Says they only had 3 PURE guards. It's misleading. Monta Ellis is a hog. Averaged 40 minutes a game. Then they had Stephen Curry on the other side getting 30+ and Acie Law eating minutes, Charlie Bell.... and they plugged their SFs a lot into the guard slots.

      I think Dallas front office and coach could have seen the talent they had in Lin... at least better than Keith Smart.

      Roddy was a non factor last year for the Mavericks. He missed over 6 months of time starting with a broken foot and sprained ankles.


      Who got the minutes in Dallas?

      The Mavs gave significant time to JJ Barea........

      We all saw how he contributed.

      If they saw the quality in (of all players) JJ BAREAs over-inflated pick n roll stats, imagine Jeremy Lin running PnR with Dirk getting pumped up stats.

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    5. True at first they had planned to develop him on the Legends *at first without seeing him so much.* When Lin was first seen at the Invitational, they planned to D-League him.... before seeing him punk people in practice... and before he destroyed John Wall.

      And let's not forget that the Mav's & Donnie Nelson were the first and only organization to offer him a spot on their summer team. They saw some of what every other team missed.

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    6. If Lin had signed with the Mavs, he'd still be in the D league right now.

      Lin would have missed the entire 2010-2011 NBA season by wasting his time in the D league under Donnie Nelson. He'd also have received no attention in training camp due to the lockout shortened season. Lin would have been brought in for training camp and then cut again for a SECOND D league stint.

      Donnie Nelson is NOT some sort of basketball genius. All he did was offer Lin a summer league spot. The original plan was for Lin to back up both Roddy Beaubois and Dominique Jones. Instead, Roddy played so poorly in summer league that Lin stole his minutes.

      Donnie Nelson didn't just screw up with Lin either. He bypassed Omar Samhan for summer league and was gifted with Samhan only after Mark Cuban personally invited Samhan on Facebook to play for summer league. Samhan and Lin were the team's two equally best players despite Roddy Beaubois and Dominique Jones taking and bricking most of the shots. Samhan sure could help the Mavs now, especially with Tyson Chandler gone and Brendan Haywood being fragile.

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  12. BSPN is reporting JLin as questionable for the game against the Bucks?

    Can this be right?

    I thought Lin was good to go?

    Amare, Jeremy Lin questionable
    http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7738420/new-york-knicks-amare-stoudemire-jeremy-lin-questionable-monday

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    1. He was at shoot-around this morning, but Amare was not. Amare has some serious back problems, not a good sign, he was the entire interior defense and rebounding on this Knicks team.

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    2. didn't they win 7-8 straight games without amare?

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    3. They won 5 games without Amare, he came back in the 1st game @ Toronto Raptors. But they had Jared Jeffries as a replacement, and he was doing a good job defensively. Unfortunately Jeffries is injured too.

      Josh Harrelson better come up big these next few games. He's the only viable power forward now.

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    4. OOOOFFF! More serious than expected:

      “We don’t want to make any conclusions right now,” Lin said of his knee.

      “We’ll know when we get to the arena tonight if he’s going to play tonight,” Woodson said of Stoudemire.

      “He’s been around this quite awhile now, so he’ll let us know if he can go or not,” Woodson added

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