Friday, March 9, 2012

Knicks @ Bucks Game Thread

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  1. Lin with 8 assists, 9 points through the 1st half. Melo is still a ball hog, Amare's D is still terrible, but right now it doesn't matter because they're playing the Bucks.

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  2. Lin played well tonight. The Buck's announcer's sang his praises all night long, unfortunately the Knicks play no D

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  3. That was a frustrating game to watch. Despite Lin's incredible game today, it was all for naught. The discussion of Melo's chemistry has been brewing for weeks and this road trip confirmed the worst fears in New York.

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  4. Towards the end with the Knicks down by 1, when Lin played great D and forced Jennings to throw up an air ball, but only to have the Bucks get an offensive rebound and put back, did Lin yell at his teammates for not hustling to get that rebound?

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    1. I really thought he did, and was looking for the replay, but they did not show it. I was pissed at the same play, for the same reason.

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  5. Damn, that turnover by Lin at the end really hurt. Coulda had that. But yeah, horrible D by the Knicks.

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    1. Are you kidding? It was ONE measly play and it was a pass that Amare arguably should have come down with. The Knicks would have lost by 30 without Jeremy, who was brilliant and super clutch in the 4th.

      Lin was also great on defense. Jennings had a great line, but that's because he's a great players. He still didn't get past Lin all night. Not once. Jennings just hit some contested jumpers and threes. And got bailed out by refs.

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    2. Anyway, the Knicks had several chances to win it after that, but Melo choked and D'Antoni got outcoached.

      There can be no complaints about Jeremy whatsoever tonight. Wait, I do have one. He should be more selfish in the future and tell Melo to get out of his way. "I brought us back into it, I'm taking the last shot."

      I'm serious. On the second to last possession, he should have kept it for himself and put up a 3.

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    3. No, I'm not kidding and it wasn't one "measly play." it really did hurt. When someone gets a turnover down the stretch especially on a comeback.. it hurts, lol, regardless of who commits it. I thought it was a little bit of both their faults as it wasn't the most perfect pass in the world. And I'm not saying that Jeremy lost us the game by any means (since he played very well)... all I'm saying is that particular play hurt. Did it not? Lol

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    4. No, I'm not kidding and it wasn't one "measly play." it really did hurt. When someone gets a turnover down the stretch especially on a comeback.. it hurts, lol, regardless of who commits it. I thought it was a little bit of both their faults as it wasn't the most perfect pass in the world. And I'm not saying that Jeremy lost us the game by any means (since he played very well)... all I'm saying is that particular play hurt. Did it not? Lol

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  6. Another no defense game. Even if they won, it's hard to watch. It's another shoot out like the game against the Spurs, except the Knicks were able to stay in the game against the Bucks. Tough loss. Defense is what wins championships, so let's hope they get that back with Chandler and Jefferies.

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  7. I wasn't able to watch the game tonight, but looking at the box score, it looks like Davis and Lin played a lot of time together - as I expected they would after the Spurs game.

    So, for those who watched the game, I'm curious: was I right about the Davis-Lin backcourt combo?

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    1. I'm loving the Davis-Lin combo. I have thought of this as well and it seems that Davis-Lin combo is very nice. Although I would have liked Shumpert to have played more. Besides that, I really like the duo, it relieves pressure off of Lin it gives the offense a different look when they take their turns running the point.


      They got killed on the outside shooting by the bucks & offensive rebounds. Like the announcer kept saying, the iso plays kills them. That being said, I think when they set an Iso-Play they need Amare and whoever is the small forward to crash the boards or cut. And have Davis & Lin ready to catch the ball and shoot the 3 if Melo gets double team and passes the ball out.

      We all know that Melo doesn't fit the D'Antoni system, so the coach has to make the adjustments. But I don't see any adjustments that can help benefit the iso play.

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    2. If u r the poster I think u are..... u were wrong about baron taking all of jeremy lin minutes.

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    4. j: mistaken identity. I haven't say Davis would take all of Lin's minutes. I've said things like this:

      http://www.jeremylin.net/2012/03/knicks-celtics-game-thread.html?showComment=1330917219470#c2292198258323213884

      I agree Lin's not solely responsible. Anthony and Stoudamire's returns have changed the team. The defense is worse. The spacing and movement are worse on offense.

      Lin is a SG/PG combo guard who creates off his own scoring, not a natural PG. But he's been forced to be more deferential with Anthony and Stoudamire back, which is not his game - not in high school, not at Harvard, not in the NBDL, not on the February Knicks. He's also having trouble catching up to the adjustments the top teams and PGs are making against him.

      Stoudamire and Anthony aren't going to be benched for Jeffries and Walker to give Lin his February Knicks back. But Davis is waiting to take on more PG duties if Lin continues to play badly against the contenders. The next 2 weeks may well define Lin's role for the play-offs. If the Knicks struggle over this stretch with Lin as the 1st team PG, I can see his role shifting to nominal starting PG, off-guard with Davis at PG, and running the 2nd team. If Lin is able to adjust to his teammates and top opponents to play at a high level again, then he'll definitely keep his role as 1st team PG going into the play-offs.

      *** And this:

      http://www.jeremylin.net/2012/02/miami-turns-heat-up-on-jlin.html?showComment=1330115421592#c3974212902171979315

      I'd like to see Lin play SG with Baron Davis at PG. I think that would unleash Lin's true NBA position. What has become more and more apparent (or reinforced, for fans who've followed him since Harvard) is that Jeremy Lin isn't a pure point guard. Lin is a smart, versatile combo guard. He has enough skills to back up the PG in limited minutes, but his passing and ball-handling ability simply aren't up to running the point full-time.

      Lin's game reminds me a lot of Jeff Hornacek, who was a well-regarded, smart, versatile "third" guard on the Suns and Sixers who failed when they tried him at starting PG. Hornacek eventually flourished as the starting SG playing alongside the excellent Stockton-to-Malone 90s Jazz teams. In a 2010 interview, Lin compared his game to Goran Dragic, another Hornacek-type combo guard.

      I believe the best role for Jeremy Lin is at SG, playing off the ball and attacking from the wing, with limited minutes running the offense at PG. Though he's impressed with his court vision and floor game, Lin seems most comfortable and effective attacking and scoring. My advice to D'Antoni: give Jeremy time with Baron at the point, get Lin moving and attacking, and let's see what happens.

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    5. I'm just as tired of your Hornacek comparisons as I am of my Micheal Ray comparisons.

      Dragic and Hornacek are both soft players who shy away from contact unlike Lin. Neither player is anywhere close to Lin's class in athleticism or overall game. The comparison ends right there.

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    6. Being tired of the truth doesn't make it less true. My expectations have borne out because I root for Lin understanding what he is as a player. You do Lin a disservice by claiming he is something he's not - or at least not yet - when Lin would be better off if his fans rooted for him to succeed for what he is - a SG/PG combo guard in the Hornacek and Dragic mold. Moreover, Lin knows what he is as a player - he has compared his own game to Dragic's. I watched the Rockets-Nets game last night in which Dragic played a lot of minutes, and the comparison is apt.

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    7. Dragic did that with DWill out.

      I have watched Dragic FAIL for years as a Sun. The guy cannot out together an entire season of consistent play because he doesn't have the athleticism that Lin has to pull it off.

      Hornacek is a sharpshooter unlike Lin. Unlike Hornacek, Lin will take it to the hole and initiate contact. In the end, Lin will be a far more effective playet than Hornacek because of his vastly superior athleticism.

      One thing we agree on is that Lin is more than capable of playing multiple positions. Great NBA players like Lin can play whatever role their teams ask them to. Besides, I hate the term "combo guard" because one should want guards that can play either guard position.

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  8. I only take comfort that nobody can blame Lin for this latest loss. It was the lack of team defense and rebounding. If they keep playing like this they will get knocked out of the 8th playoff spot and be a lottery team. No effort = No wins.

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    1. Nah. People will always find ways to blame Jeremy.

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    2. Yeah they're going to say that turnover to Amare is what cost the game. Although the ball wasn't even tossed that high and that he had to put it a little higher with speed because Jennings was on him.

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  9. It's clear that Melo doesn't play any defense. At the very least he should box out. A missed free throw by melo cost them any chance of making a come back.

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  10. I have to admit that I was 100% wrong.

    Melo is not good for Jeremy. He's just a ball stopper who grinds the offense to a halt. Unless he's scorching hot from the field, he's an overall negative to the team. And his defense was truly awful. I counted only one possession where he did something good. The rest he was lazy or incompetent.

    But Amare looked much better tonight. He aggressive and finished JL's feeds a lot better.

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    1. I thought Melo would be good for Jeremy because he would take the pressure of JL when he struggles, but that's not the case.

      Melo wants the ball even when Jeremy is playing great. And then he ruins the offensive flow while providing zero defense.

      Knicks just went 0-4 on a road trip they should have gone 2-2.

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  11. How come no one puts Jeremy Lin's individual highlights anymore on Youtube? I really enjoy watching his individual highlights.

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    1. I think this guy puts together highlights for players with good games. JLin had a good night and he put together the video:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A22sqH0gqpc.

      Other than that I am not aware of any guys dedicated to putting JL highlights for all games. As you said, I do miss watching them. Instead, I just manually scroll through the game to when JL is playing.

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  12. Great run by the Knicks... i thought they could pull through tonight, but too bad. Tonight JLin did farely better than few nights ago.

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  13. I'm glad Lin played well. That's really all I care about... sorry knicks fan, but I'm a Lin fan first and knicks fan second. I'm starting to see that D'antoni is actually a decent coach on OFFENSE. They have no answers for the double screens in the perimeter. It was good to see Landry fields and Lin really pick up the intensity on D. 5 fouls on Lin were bs. some very questionable calls. Just about everyone on the knicks shot above 50% except for Baron Davis and Anthony. My God, I never knew how bad melo was till I started to watch NY. Jesus, this guy puts up some serious bricks. When he has a good night he shoots ~%50. but mostly I see him shoot ~%30. He missed the game winner vs the celtics and tonight, he missed a critical free throw. and the play before that he shoots a damn air ball to completely take the wind out the Knicks sail. They were only down by 1 for god sake. I didn't understand all the hate Melo recieved before he came back but now it's perfectly understandable. In the end, it's not so much that Melo has poor shooting percentage. It's because everyone on the team knows that as soon as Melo touches the ball, no one else will touch it in that possesion unless they grab the offensive rebound. That's what kills the team. He becomes a sort of a ball black hole. except he can't finish. God help the knicks. Just think what Lin and Dwight Howard could accomplish here...

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    1. Starting 5 = PG/SG Baron/Lin (interchangeable), SF Shumpert (defense, athletic, dribble & drive, rebound) or JR Smith (3 pointer, defense, dribble & drive)Novak (the obvious, but defensive liability) or B. Walker (decent overall): I would pick JR Smith, PF Jerome jordan (was almost a double-double guy in college; might be a sleeper like Lin was), C Amare (Seems like he's getting his feet back; however, still lacks defense, even though he is trying to get more rebounds tonight just doesn't have the same hops anymore).

      Trade Melo for someone like Ersan LOL (who is just a pure hustler, crashes boards, can shoot, and is a team player)

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    2. When the Knicks were down by one, I was hoping to see a last second, game winning shot from JLin tonight. During the 7 game streak, JLin would take over during close games on the road. But overall, despite the loss, I was just glad that JLin had a good game.

      I would like to see Melo take less jump shots (unless he gets into a rhythm), but continue to drive to the hoop and get to the line. If Novak can learn to rebound, he would be a huge factor.

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  14. Knicks should do a triangle offense, because triangle offense can still do a pick & roll and then can easily alternate to a iso-play that keeps two bigs near the basket for a rebound.

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  15. "How come no one puts Jeremy Lin's individual highlights anymore on Youtube? I really enjoy watching his individual highlights."

    I think can of a few reasons:

    1. I didn't even realize that there are no individual highlights anymore. When you search on youtube, there's tons of hits for "jeremy lin highlights", but apparently, they're all just nba.com game highlights, not individual.

    2. It takes too much time to edit on a regular basis. Now that he's a starter and getting nearly 40 mins/game, plus the compressed schedule, it's too much to edit.

    3. Now that he makes plays on a regular basis, it's kind of routine (alley oop assists, drive in the lane, 3 ptrs, etc).

    4. some accounts got shut down for copyright violations.

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    1. That sucks.

      I miss watching them =)

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  16. "Knicks should do a triangle offense, because triangle offense can still do a pick & roll and then can easily alternate to a iso-play that keeps two bigs near the basket for a rebound."

    so what you're saying is... fire D'Antoni and hire Phil? =)

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  17. Jeremy Lin post season things to improve:

    I would love to see him do a post-up move that he can either fade-away (which he does now, a quick drive in the paint, a split second post up, leading to a spin move fade-way shot) or if he's deep enough in the paint a gary payton spin move layup to the basket (I have seen this almost happen but he stop half way on the spin move and does a high bank shot). His third option while posting up is to pass to Amare or Melo if he gets double teamed.

    With his size he can punk most small pg's.

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  18. How come on Friday night when Jeremy Lin actually played well there's only 20+ posts. When he's doing bad, there's like almost 100 posts LOL....

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  19. Who wants to see Jerome Jordan start at PF or C? Now I think about it he could start as C and Amare at PF.

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  20. I was extremely disappointed of the lost, however I'm happy that J.Lin played well. It annoys me how carmelo doesn't play to his potential my goodness!!!

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    1. Melo once was compared to Dwade & Lebron..pretty sad with his current game.

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  21. Highlights here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3uJLqomgU8

    The game was lost with 30 seconds left. Knicks down one with all the momentum.

    Jeremy plays GREAT defense on Jennings, forcing him into an awful shot that doesn't even get rim.

    But Melo loses his man (Ilysaova) and lets him get an easy put back. Game over.

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    1. I didn't notice this live, but you can see how furious JL is about that bucket. You can see him gesture as he shouts, "Damn it!" (or maybe "Come on!").

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  22. Yeah at around 4 minutes when coach calls time, JL showing some frustration with his teammates.

    Jeremy's game, he played well, and the 2 PG stretches seemed to work with JL's game. The ball was moving, they were executing their drives and kick, BD and LJ taking turns breaking down the D and finding the open guy or punishing the D for not doubling.

    Jeremy on defense, JL clamped down on Jennings, defended the screens well, and overall looked more energized. One thing I noticed is that he would anticipate and react to screens before they come, slipping over them rather than getting stuck. That is one huge encouraging sign.

    The team offense, I see the players more engaged as a whole (at least on the offensive end). Amare seems to have his legs back. Melo, well he is the same self, but at least had a decent shooting night. At this point, the offense seems to be progressing, but they need to encourage more ball movement and off the ball movement from one of the main guys Melo.

    Team on D, they just needed to make stops on the defensive end. D wins championships. Right now, they don't look like champions. It is a team mentality and putting it on Chandler and Jefferies being out shows that they are not there yet. They did miss those guys in the center. Coach really needs to get on the players to work hard on that end of the floor as well.

    As for looking forward, Philly up next, but perhaps if they cannot handle the Bucks offense, they might have trouble with the Sixers as well. Haven't been following Sixers, but I believe they have beaten some top teams. Perhaps as an intermediate goal the Knicks can try to annihilate the Sixers to redeem themselves as a team and show what level they can play at.

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  23. Lins turnover with the game so close hurt, but I feel the game was lost when melo jacked up that 3 which barely grazed the rim. It was on the end of a 12-2 or something like that run, and up until that point they were taking great shots. Lin played a great game, and that defense on Jennings at the end was brilliant. Shame the Knicks lacked any sort of interior presence today.

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  24. Jeremy Lin had his best game since Cleveland... Once again the Defense by the Knicks was utter crap down the stretch...

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  25. They looked much better today, better chemistry on offense definitely, and Lin was all over the place. I like the double teams, they did that alot against Jennings and others. But Melo is still gawd awful on defense...And what's with the lack of transition defense? They seem to just linger after a shot, and the lack of offensive rebounds are killing them.

    Lin needs suction cups on his shoes, that boy slips a lot, but wow he was on fire :)

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