Friday, February 24, 2012

Rising Stars Game Thread

20:00 before game time - Players back on the court for final pre-game warmup. Arena is strangely empty. Like a Lakers game when the stars don't arrive until midway through the second quarter. JLin addresses the media in a packed SRO setting. Here's part of what he had to say: http://goo.gl/i7akY

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  1. This is frustrating...any reason why they are NOT putting in Jeremy Lin??

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    1. The most frustrating thing to me was not the lack of playing time (this coming from someone who religiously watches each game, from summer league to D-League, and reads every jeremylin.net post) - it was a something seemingly trivial that Craig Sager said as he led the night off by interviewing Rubio and Lin. The main point he was trying to make is that their journeys to the NBA were quite different. But he said that they were similar in that both camr from "global" backgrounds (I am certain he was not intending to mean their current base of appeal, rather, their origins). Sager is an idiot. Perhaps unknowingly, but however subtly, he has again suggested something quite pervasive - bigotry of belonging... Jeremy was born and raised in AMERICA. He is American. Nothing against Asia, but for Americans of Asian descent like me, I see this as another perfect example of the white male perpetuating the stereotype that ethnic Asians are somehow not "as American" as them.

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  2. Dude is tired from getting pulled this way and that way off the court.

    Blake Griffin gave LIn some advice, and specifically said it is ok to say no (both to interviews and endorsement deals), because he said he was so exhausted after last year's All Star game that his body shut down for a month after All-Star break and he played like crap during that month.

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    1. Plus, just having Lin on roster is probably going to draw a lot of eyeballs that wouldn't otherwise watch this game, so Lin resting on bench lets others shine in spotlight.

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    2. I REALLY enjoyed the Shaq vs. Chuck fight that they had.

      Chuck bounced a basketball off Shaq's head after some physical contact. Shaq swung and both players went down. Chuck was bloodied a bit but was otherwise harmed.

      That fight wasn't as good as a 1988 Knicks Sixers game in which Bill Cartwright dunked over Barkley and knocked him out of the game. It was the best dunk I ever saw because Chuck was destroying the Knicks in the 1st half. Barkley never reentered the game because he had a concussion.

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    5. As a 3rd year player, Lin definitely won't get invited.

      Blame the Knicks for fatigue, not Lin.

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    6. Lin just isn't an All-Star game type of guy. He's not as flashy as some of these guys. And honestly, he wasn't even trying, especially defensively. If you're going to half-ass it, you might as well not even show up. I'm not saying he needs to go all out, but at least try to show your stuff, like Rubio, Irving, and even freaking Norris Cole did. These guys were playing free, whereas Lin seemed kind of reserved. Hopefully the effects of the Miami game don't carry over to the 2nd Half of the season.

      One thing I notice is that Lin needs to get tighter with his handle. Some of these other PG's have the ball on a string, whereas Lin isn't quite there yet with his handle. To me, that's probably the main thing he needs to improve on. His turnover rate will decrease dramatically, IMO.

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    8. Nobody on either team has been played or targeted as much as Lin in the last month.

      Lin is not a machine. He is a man, and he has been put through extreme trials that none of these players have faced. This is a guy that went from nearly kicked out of the NBA and then became the moat targeted guy in basketball. He barely just moved into a new apartment!

      I am not Jeremy Lin, but I've faced lots of scenarios like what he has. There is nobody on the floor who has worked harder than him or battled as much opposition. So if he gets to the top of the mountain and decides to catch his breath, I am all for it.

      Lin probably can barely stand, let alone play.

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  3. Ah, I'm glad he isn't in.

    Lin needs the rest. Let him hibernate on the bench. He won't get injured by enjoying the best seat in the arena. When players are fatigued, injury can happen.

    I hope he sits all game long.

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    1. Agree totally.

      Just give him enough minutes in second half so those fans who tuned in specifically to watch Lin don't feel ripped off, and then let all of the other Rising Stars bask in the spotlight of Lin-Sanity, if only for this night...


      :)

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  4. This game means absolutely nothing so I hope he just rests his tired legs.

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  6. Why are the comments of TVN being removed? I want to see what he has to say.

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    1. TVN must have removed his own comment (I.e., comment removed by author). We do not remove any comments unless they constitute personal attacks/threats or use racial epithets, etc.

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  7. C'mon guys, when I saw that the Rising Stars challenge was coming after BACK TO BACK games, I was like "Jeremy Lin shouldn't play". There's no point in playing hard for what is an exhibition game. You guys saw the final score, there was no defense. Jeremy isn't really that flashy anyway and wouldn't do well in these type of games.

    For all the guys saying fatigue is no excuse, how many of you try playing three days in a row of intense basketball? In April of 2011, I put a team in a weekend basketball tournament. My team played two games each on Saturday / Sunday (went 2-2, finished in 3rd) and then I had a league game on Monday night. Even though I'm in decent shape, I was completely zapped on Monday. My mind was willing but my body wasn't able.

    Sometimes I wonder if we expect too much out of Jeremy Lin. He's a good player but he's not super human.

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    1. So true ... and now I'm getting ANGRY.

      Since when did an undrafted D league player from non scholarship Harvard be expected to carry his team to victory against the NBA's best players?

      And since when were waiver wire rejects from nearly three teams expected to break triple teams and play 40+ minutes of mistake free basketball every night?

      Lots of people think that Lin should be performing better than he has, that he has an attitude problem, that he doesn't belong in the Challenge game. That is because those people have willingly internalized the blatant RACISM that people do against Asian Americans like Lin or even myself.

      In America, Asian American males are often deliberately banned from the best opportunities. The better the Asian, the stronger the ban. Or if the Asian forces his way in, he's stuck behind everybody else of any other color. Then the racists laugh at Asians like Lin and say they simply couldn't compete. And idiot Asians often agree with those racist fools (i.e. Lin has been "exposed").

      The racists out there have no idea how stressful it is to be Jeremy Lin. He has had to beat down everybody by himself, including his stupid fool coach who nearly cut him despite practice domination. Lin has had to be better than everybody else, especially since nobody comes at him with just one opponent. No other player in the history of the NBA has had it as hard as Lin has.

      If I was any NBA player, I would feel ASHAMED if Lin came in and kicked my butt. I'd be thinking "A D league nobody who didn't even play D1 schooled me". Yet we have idiots on this forum crying that Lin is a failure for not playing perfectly against established NBA stars who have more experience than he does.

      I am not going to sit here quietly and let racist (self)haters of Lin ridicule his professionalism and talent. Here he is battling the NBA's very best without real experience and he's WINNING! Lin's excellence in the NBA is the most superhuman thing I have ever seen in my decades of watching the NBA!

      Cut the Asian D league waiver reject some slack. He's had a brutally difficult journey that will only get harder. And if you see holes in Lin's game, consider the damned truth that it's not all the Asian guy's fault.

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    3. agree there. We need to find constructive ways to support our brothers, as we're all in the same boat....

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  8. @ jeremylin.net owner/writer... were you the dude wearing the Golden State Jersey at the game?

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    1. Just nope, not us, unfortunately. We did talk to a TV station, though.

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    2. haha did you guys rep jeremylin.net?

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    1. Haven't you ever caught a cold and thought you could make it to work but then realized in the morning that you were wiped out?

      Or are you some sort of superhuman who can predict days in advance when you are going to get sick and cancel jobs accordingly? Because that's what you are demanding that Lin do.

      You must not be a military man. Just because a soldier puts on his armor doesn't mean that he can do battle. It is the duty of Lin to play every basketball game as hard as he can, but it is also the duty of the coaches to take Lin out if he physically cannot compete due to fatigue. If Lin declined the game, all the haters would be like "QUITTER!!!"

      All you want is for Lin to fulfill your selfish fantasies of hero basketball. You and lots of others here care only about your vicarious thrills without caring one iota about how Lin must be feeling at a moment like this. But I am not going to let Lin be called nasty things so that people can taunt him.

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    3. Can't tell if your trolling or not...
      Not sure what type of basketball you play, but a press conference requires nowhere near amount of exertion a NBA All Star Game requires.

      Really? Decline an invitation from the NBA and some of it's greatest players from the last two decades? I'm certainly glad Jeremy Lin doesn't have the attitude you have...

      I'm glad Lin declined more minutes. It shows he's level with where his limitations and goals are. He's looking to help HIS team and not appease us fans for an already entertaining, yet meaningless basketball game. If Lin was constantly trying to please us, he'd regress into his passive and timid self.

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    4. If Lin's fans here cannot take comments from any perspective other than theirs, I would be happy to delete all my words and let here be a peaceful place.

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    5. Wah mah shi Taiwan lang, and I here to tell you that being Taiwanese does not give you the right to demand that Lin be a fortune teller about his health.

      It is impossible for any human being to forecast his health or his performance. So don't be disappointed if Lin doesn't see fatigue coming in advance.

      Keep in mind that in America, sports heroes like Lin are criticized if they bow out of events due to fatigue. Players are expected to play through everything, and that's why the NBA has such an unspoken but plainly visible problem with PEDs. Lin is expected to compete in every game at his best, even if he physically cannot.

      I give credit to the coaching staff for not leaving Lin out there to hobble around the court. A vindictive racist idiot like ex Stanford coach Trent Johnson would've left Lin out there to "prove a point". Get Lin's nonperforming butt onto the bench and leave him there so that he can live to fight another day.

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    6. And no HT, we RESPECT you and your posts even if we violently disagree.

      Please feel the right to post here and criticize us as you see fit. This forum is for all of us Lin fans here.

      I don't like it either when Lin struggles. I also wish he could decline games just like you do. It is simply that Lin CANNOT do that due to American sporting pressures.

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  10. If anyone even dare to criticize what he is doing so far, you must be a selfish fool who's expecting too much and when he failed to meet your expectation you slaughtered him. One thing i'm concerned is he's giving too much interview, it seems he couldn't say no.

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    1. Well, the NBA would not have given Lin his own interview room if there wasn't the expectation that he'd be there.

      I am sure that Lin's agent is doing his best to protect Lin.

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  11. All asians need to support jeremy lin as he's the only Asian American that's trying to break the racist barriers of the NBA on Asian athletes. It's hard enough we have to hear it from racist or haters that just want to see Jeremy Lin fail. But to see fellow Asians criticize his game as if they know him if beyond sad.

    We all talk and dissect his game as if we know it all. Jlin only knows what he's going to do and what he's capable of. Just take a back seat and let him do it his own way.

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    1. We Asian Americans cannot help Lin off the court (like he needs help - HAHAHA), but we can help him OFF it.

      This great blog set up by jlinfan#1 is probably the main mouthpiece for Lin's most rabid fans (all of us here). Here we can publicly stand up for our hero even when nobody else seems to.

      Somewhere out there, somebody is seeing us cheer on Jeremy Lin. And that will make a difference in the world.

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    2. oops typo "help Lin ON the court". Sorry!

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    3. +1 to etymology and khuang

      Seriously....


      And what kinda person is gonna go on to a fan site, talk shit about said site's subject, and not expect some kind of antagonism?



      And to get this butt hurt and delete your comments because of this thread's relatively tame fan site replies... is pretty damn weak.

      You'd be getting death threats on a lot of other fan sites hahaha.

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    4. Thanks for the kudo.

      Just because we go at each other doesn't mean we hate or disrespect people here. I ENJOY being called out here (my All Star prediction for Lin indeed may fall short). I think everybody is making great points, even if I totally disagree.

      This is America where we can go at each other and then have a beer afterwards.

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    5. My wife doesn't need your permission to say what she thinks about JLin or anybody else. She was his ardent supporter when nobody wanted anything to do with him. To suggest death threats shows that some of have forgotten that basketball is a still a game, however great JLin's success. You obviously cannot keep your perspective on what he is doing or you are talking about. I don't think that it is my wife that is trying to live vicariously through Jeremy. It is some of you who cannot keep your emotions under control.

      She has followed JLin since he was at Harvard. She is Taiwanese and she doesn't need your approval to say what she thinks. You don't get to decide what we all should say just because you are Asian. We are both HUGE supporters of Jeremy Lin and all that he has accomplished.

      We are not however, fans of some of you. You are idiots if you suggest violence against someone just because you don't agree with them. You have no respect for the same freedom of speech that gives you the right to say some of the crazy things you are saying on this site. Jeremy Lin has the kinds of values that make many of us proud, unlike some of you. He would never say, or even think, some of things you have said on this site.

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    6. JT just made the best post on this site.

      Also, that KHuang guy needs to chillax. Seriously.

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  12. Glad JLin didn't get huge minutes. Dude is TIRED and he needs every bit of rest he can get and I'm sure Shaq and co. were well aware of that. Besides, we know all about JLin and what he can do. It was nice to see some of the other talent out that there haven't gotten nearly as much attention as he has. I'm amazed at the continued attention actually. After the Miami loss, I was convinced he'd be railroaded by the media but if anything, the attention has just grown and grown. Linsanity is a monster phenomenon and JLin's just going to have to ride it out in the eye of the storm. For what it's worth, he's doing a magnificent job dealing with all the craziness.

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  13. Seems like a disagreement here and since I can't see HT's words, not sure what was said. I do agree with people in general that we need to stay calm and support Jeremy Lin, not argue amongst ourselves.

    For myself, I have LOVED how Jeremy Lin has done the past few weeks. Like JT's wife, I have followed Jeremy from high school, through Harvard, and finally the NBA.

    Even I am a huge basketball fan (I watch games, play leagues, coach, and officiate), I have never "idolized" NBA players where I need to get their autographs or buy their jerseys. If they don't do well, I'm disappointed but it's not the worst thing in the world. After all, whatever players do is for themselves and not us directly.

    I have made an exception to the jersey rule recently as I have Warriors jerseys of Lin, David Lee and Chris Mullin. I will soon have a NY Knicks Lin jersey to show my support.

    I support Jeremy Lin because he is a positive Asian-American role model for all of us (young and old). No matter what we feel about Lin, we should keep it cordial. After all, for many of us Lin fans, we could easily point a finger at the "haters" and say "I told you so". Jeremy Lin would never do that as he would prefer (in a very "Chinese" way) of just talking back via action and not words.

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  14. The "argument" here points to the very reason why Asian American males are marginalized in this country.

    We Asian Americans are routinely criticized and made fun of by all other races in America. We lose job opportunities, marriage prospects, and many other things just because people don't like us. Guys like me and Lin are constantly bombarded with ostracization and opposition every day of our lives.

    I understand perfectly that is the Chinese way to let actions speak for themselves. If I were living in Taiwan, I would be very happy if my actions spoke for themselves. But I live in America where most people consider me subhuman, including other Asians who think I need to "chillax" when I fight back for myself and our own kind.

    I and other Asian American males deeply resent other Asians telling me my judgment is wrong. I am not a young man (old enough.to be Lin's FATHER) and have had to endure a lifetime of rejection from other Asians who laugh at my demand for respect becuase Americans do it to people like Lin who step outside academia. Asians of all people should be the last people to criticize people like me or Lin who have had to make extreme sacrifices in a very unforgiving land with little support. Even on this thread you can see Asians criticizing Asian Americans for fighting for their legitimacy.

    Asian American males get the least respect in America. Most Americans do not respect us, and plenty of Asians don't either. I laugh at the "respect must be earned" garbage because that implies that Asian Americans are AUTOMATICALLY REJECTED UP FRONT and have to act "better" to overcome that. I am sick of that kind of thinking because I automatically respect others until they prove otherwise. The same Asians that come after me would never say the same things to another Asian or to an American because they respect those guys but not Asian Americans like me.

    Jeremy Lin would be nothing more than an Asian playground legend if he didn't have that white coach Diepenbrock SCREAMING at people to give Lin a chance. He'd have been.kicked off the court before he even got a chance and this site wouldn't exist. THAT is what I am fighting against, not any of.yoy specifically.

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    1. KHUANG - I totally feel your last post. I want to add. We have.... 200 years (more/less?) of history in this country to go with along with the achievements Asians have made across the world.


      That's not enough paying dues?

      This is America. Closed mouths don't get fed. That's what 200 hundred years of being hard working SILENT AMERICANS gets.



      PS - No one here is FORCING, nor is anyone here able to FORCE someone not to post (I guess technically the webmaster could.)

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  15. NEver said you couldn't post. Never made death threats. Never threatend violence. I'm putting some perspective in here.

    I guess I will repeat myself again for you.

    If you are going to post on a site ran by fans you will get some antagonism and get called out.


    And if you were posting on like a Twilight, Justin Bieber site. There have been reports of death threats from those kind of fans. And NO ONE ON HERE HAS GIVEN U REMOTELY CLOSE TO THAT AMOUNT OF GRIEF AND NO ONE WILL. So follow your supporters words "chillax" bro.

    You can say what you want. But again to go to a bunch of supporters and try to detract from who they support... and not expect people to to call you out. It's like going to a sports event and rooting against the home team. You are going to get called out.

    And people are gonna say what they want. They are going to let you know they don't like your opinion. No one's keeping you from posting.

    You wanna invoke freedom of speech? People can't tell you they don't like your opinion, wow.


    I just said, and I repeat, to go to a place run by fans, and post negatively about the websites subject.... and not expect some resistance does not make sense to me. Not once has there been any threat to your safety. Not once has any violence been attempted nor will it. But again, try doing that on a Jonas Brothers page. Or a Justin Beiber page. Go one of their concerts and start spouting your mouth. That's danger.

    This website is tame. No one here will do that to you, but again I REPEAT. If you root against the home team people are going to voice their displeasure. Your scared because we're informing you of our displeasure? You are funny. No one's threatened you with anything.




    I hope I've repeated myself enough times for you. Hopefully with so many repetitions of my thoughts it will help prevent you from twisting my words.

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  16. KHuang - as one Asian-American make to another, I understand your points. I am not as old as you but know what you are talking about. I lived through the 80's, 90's and now.

    However, your comment reflects the general issue of getting Asian-Americans to unify on social issues. Are Asian-American males marginalized? YUP! Up until Jeremy Lin, we haven't had ONE super positive role model since Bruce Lee.

    HOWEVER, even though many of us know the issues involved, speaking out as one person doesn't get it done. It takes a movement and Asian-Americans (due to the diversity of experiences) don't always agree on these things.

    In the context of this website, speaking your mind is fine but there may be people who might not understand the context or like the tone. Contextually, we may have younger people or folks not born in the US.

    From the tone perspective, I find you speak your mind which I really don't have a problem with as I understand your perspective. However, others may not understand where you are coming from and may (or will) disagree with you.

    Actually, KHuang - your views are probably perfectly suited for a blog I think. Asian-Americans are somewhat invisible on the national media landscape but YouTube and blogging, we are out there. :)

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  17. Thanks, dcl and J but ALSO TVN and JT and HT. And of course, many thanks to our wonderful blogistrators who have created this great blog for us.

    I have great respect for everybody's opinion here. Even if I don't agree, I admire everybody's position. I don't always agree, nor do I expect to be agreed with. And a lot of times I go overboard.

    I will think about doing a blog. But here, I am just a Jeremy Lin fan.

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  18. KHuang,

    You already have a blogger ID, so might as well start up the blog. I have three blogs:

    www.coach41.com - General blog, personal stuff though my Asian stuff go there too.
    www.behindthewhistle.com - officiating related stuff
    www.throughabceyes.com - Was meant for my more "asian themed" stuff but managing three blogs is a challenge so haven't used this one as much recently.

    I'm probably not widely read or a big time blogger, but it's good to get your thoughts / opinions out there. :)

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