Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Knicks @ Wiz: JLin vs John Wall Rematch

Should be fun. John Wall will be pumped too.


Here are some other JLin tidbits:

If Jeremy is still on the team tomorrow (never know, he was waived in the middle of the night by Houston), he'll have the rest of his contract for the year guaranteed at about 800K.

From ESPN New York's Jared Zwerling:

Jeremy Lin became the first player in 30 years to score at least 28 points and hand out at least 8 assists in his first NBA start. The last person to do so was the original Isiah Thomas who had 31 and 11 in his pro starting debut.

Highest PER(click here) by PG's this season:

Chris Paul -- 26.7
Derrick Rose -- 25.3
Jeremy Lin -- 25.0
Steve Nash -- 23.4
Russell Westbrook -- 22.8
*Minimum 135 Minutes Played

If you missed the first JLin John Wall matchup, this is the game that got JLin an NBA contract:



52 comments:

  1. very enlightening insight into why j lin didn't get playing time until the nets game from d'antoni

    http://www.msg.com/videos/dantoni-post-practice-27-1.82501

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  2. interesting jlin stats here:
    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/36575/knicks-finding-success-with-lin-on-point

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  3. My big concern...physical condition

    Can Jeremy's body stay fresh? We clearly saw how much of an impact fatigue could have on his play, resulting in those pity 8 TOs. Having a tired body (just like every other regular starters out there at the moment) really affects the game in many aspects, particularly shooting. With teams ready to sag off and just let him shoot (that's what I'd do if I were the opposing coach), I hope Lin will be able to adjust to that.

    What I am utmost impressed with Jeremy is that he never makes the same mistake twice, and is extremely fast to learn from the failures. His play has gone "shaky but effective" to I'd say "easy and solid," and mainly contributed by his ability to read the opponent and the flow of the game. It really is a beauty to watch, AND exciting (Stockton and Malone was probably THE most effective PnR duo of all time, but it was boring as hell).

    I am still thinking of the player that Jeremy resembles the most, because certainly he's not Dragic as he models himself after, because Dragic could catch fire and just shoot the lights out, but less of a playmaker. Also I think DWade is more of an "explosive" scorer over an attacking PG like Jeremy. Plus, Wade has too many acrobatic ways to finish around the rim or around the perimeter, unlike how Lin just sticks to the fundamental and makes everything looks so easy.

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    1. I'm going with Jason Kidd for now: big + strong PG (6'3"), sees floor well, not very athletic, can't shoot (I'm talking about the younger JKidd), quiet/unassuming/humble, good rebounder, great defender, from California. I miss anything?

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  4. I agree, his game isn't really like anyone right now I think maybe marbury if I had to pick someone from the past. maybe a little like rondo with a better outside shot and free throw shooting.

    the thing about jeremy is that his shot from inside the arc is pretty good actually. it's just his 3 point shooting isn't a strength although it's really not terrible either. his shot inside of 18 or so is plenty good enough to prevent d from giving him a lot of space.

    the main thing though is that jlin is a point guard. it's not his job to score 25 a game really. with melo chandler and stat (when healthy and present), the knicks really have a ton of weapons. the pg's job is to read the d, find the weakness and make the right play, not just to score. so if the d adjusts to him then he just adjusts to the adjustment. they have to give him something somewhere, it's his job to find it.

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    1. Take a look at Michael Ray Richardson on youtube if you want to see the 1980s version of Jeremy Lin.

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    2. Thanks a lot, there is some form of resemblance. Except from the video I couldn't tell how well could Sugar setup his teammates.

      Regardless, I've always thought Jeremy has a very old school game, so it's only fitting that you're referring him to a player from the 80s.

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    3. Sugar was a great passer in the day. But I don't think he's at Lin's level. Only Lin can turn Jared Jeffries and Steve Novak into deadly offensive weapons.

      As great a player Sugar was, I think Lin is better. Lin is a more cerebral player, and that is not because of Harvard. I just think that Lin has better court vision.

      Both Sugar and Lin are BULLIES who enjoy beating down their opponents. Lin often will take out a guy that fouls him, like in the Boston game when he ran over Pavlovic. Sugar used to bully Isiah Thomas to the point where Isiah was terrified of playing against Sugar.

      Sugar was overtly a basketball bully. Lin is every bit as mean as Sugar on the court, though he masks it pretty well. The difference is that Lin won't be derailed by off court issues the way Sugar was.

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  5. "Those who have defended him say that Lin has an extremely rare arsenal of moves—the byproduct of posture, bent knees and peculiar fundamentals. And while being a dribbling expert sounds as exciting as being a chef who specializes in porridge, Lin has made it a devastating art. Knicks guard Iman Shumpert, who first guarded Lin during lockout exhibition games and now does in practice, said his possessions play out like this: When he's close to the basket, he starts an "in-and-out" dribble with his knees bent and his arm straight forward, creating the idea he can go inside or outside—and he does both. All of this is combined with what Jerome Jordan calls a "lethal first step." Lin is, in short, the NBA's undetectable star.

    "He's got these moves—he's so fast and he's not playing high, he's playing so low that he's attacking your knees with this dribble. It's in a place where as soon as you make a move he just blows past you," Shumpert said. "To be that low, to have it that far out with your arms, it's pretty rare. I've never seen it."

    Shumpert, known as a good defender, said there's nothing you can do to take his dribble away and he does not let up. Lin has other moves, with teammates praising his crossover dribble. When he uses these moves to get to the basket (and he always gets there), he does one of three things: finishes at the rim; passes to center Tyson Chandler, who will be open due to the defense collapsing on Lin; or finding an outside shooter, who are the most open of all due to Lin's penetration.

    "It's the quickness that's low to the ground. I'm not saying he's like [Bulls guard] Derrick Rose or anything, but when you watch D-Rose closely, he's low to the ground and when you're that low and that fast, you see [Lin's success]," said Bill Walker.

    Lin, who holds an economics degree, said he spent most of his summers working on dribbling, but cannot pinpoint when he developed the stealth movements he's burning the league with. "I'm working on trying to make it more deceptive," Lin said."


    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204136404577209591756796050.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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    1. The simple truth is that Lin is a big time NBA athlete.

      People were flaming me for claiming that Lin had above average and even elite athleticism. Now that Lin is being featured on highlight videos, nobody dares even insinuate that Lin lacks NBA athleticism.

      You can't blow by NBA guards, grab rebounds in traffic, beat NBA players to loose balls, make acrobatic 'and one' moves, and play 44 minutes if you are not an ELITE NBA athlete.

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    2. I don't know if I would call him an elite athlete.

      To me, he is like Wes Welker in terms of being extremely nimble and quick. There are probably a lot of NBA athletes that are taller, bigger and bulkier, and much more supremely gifted, but they may not be able to start and stop so quickly on a dime, even if they can lap Lin a few times around court running from baseline to baseline.

      Could explain why Isiah Thomas made him look so bad in Sacramento game (he is low to ground and can attack Lin's dribble), but as Bayhawks game against Jerome Randall showed, he can destroy much shorter defender in lots of other ways.

      What his ultimate ceiling is going to be is probably going to be based upon desire, putting in the required work to continually improve his game, and really developing a lot of veteran savvy in terms of the mental aspects of the game (e. g. misdirection in the way Jason Kidd or Ricky Rubio does it, so he has opposing team guessing wrong or at least leaning wrong way enough to get opening he can exploit).

      If he can sustain that gritty guttiness and intangible ability to deliver the big play that he exhibited at lower levels at NBA level, it is probably safe to assume he will have a long and successful career in NBA, particularly in Coach D'Antoni's system with nothing else than pick and roll with Tyson Chandler.

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    3. Lin could not consistently produce massive stats unless he had SUPERIOR NBA athleticism.

      Lin lost his dribble once to Thomas, and Lin would have lost that dribble even.if.there was no player guarding him. Then Thomas and another player trapped Lin because he rushed his action off the pick. Both those errors are basketball errors, not athletic ones. I expect such errors in judgment from an NBA novice who had hardly played up to that point.

      Besides, Lin fared quite well physically against elite All Star athletes like Deron Williams and Devin Harris. Every guard Lin has faced since that Sacramento game is bigger, stronger, faster, and better than Isaiah Thomas. Besides, Lin will KILL Thomas and whatever guard Sac throws at him including Tyreke Evans who isn't that different from Lin physically.

      Running fast and jumping high are the sole measures of "athleticism" used to degrade players like Lin. Yet those skills are not ultimately as important as other less visible traits like stamina, reaction time, body control, core muscle strength, resistance to injury, tensile strength, and other less tangible factors. These things Jeremy Lin has in abundance, and that is why many people are unsurprised at his athletic prowess in the NBA.

      The best active example of how running fast and jumping high are not as important as people think is Steve Nash. People said that Nash wouldn't last physically and that he could not compete against NBA athletes, just like they are saying about Lin. Even when he was young, Nash never displayed the incredible speed or insane leaping ability Lin does. Yet Nash has outlasted just about every athlete including Jason Kidd and Grant Hill who are but a shadow of their former selves, unlike Nash who is still playing at an All Star level.

      In basketball, the sign of a great athlete is whether a guy can maintain a high level of consistency especially playing with different teams. Jeremy Lin is that guy.

      Don't make the mistake of believing the antihype that claims Lin is "lucky" or these two games are just a "fluke". People who write garbage like that have no concept of what it actually takes to succeed in the NBA.

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    4. look, Lin is a lot of things, but he's not an ELITE NBA athlete. ELITE is like LeBron, DWade, Dwight, Blake, Westbrook, Durant, etc. You don't have to be an elite athlete to be able to penetrate in the lane and cause havoc (Nash) and get rebounds (Love) or just play the game of basketball in general if you have great fundamentals (Tim Duncan) like Jeremy does. It remains to be seen if Jeremy has all those things you mentioned (stamina, etc.)...we're all fans, but I'm not gonna start talking about how resistant he is to injury after 2 real games he's played.

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    5. I don't think Lin shut down Deron Williams one on one.

      He contained Williams at initial point of attack, within context of team defense where Jared Jeffries was probably waiting behind him to take a charge and Tyson as final line of defense to block shot.

      I believe Lin said as much (it wasn't just him, it was team).

      Lin seemed to really navigate all of the picks Nets set for Derron Williams to get free, and contained penetration sufficiently so defense didn't break down.

      There was article on Coach Anderson who uses advanced statistics and who Jeremy has latched onto:

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704312504575618900811208026.html


      "A few minutes before a game against the Washington Wizards earlier this month, the Knicks coaching staff slipped one piece of information to their defenders: John Wall, the rookie sensation who had carved up defenses with his speed and agility, made 72 percent of his shots when he was driving to the rim.

      Ronny Turiaf impedes John Wall's path to the basket in Knicks' 112-91 victory over Wizards on Nov. 5.

      The number, simple but vital, began to register in the heads of each player. There were pages of scouting reports and mountains of videotape, but this one number clicked more than all of that.

      "So we made sure all night that when he came down on the fast break he saw bodies in the paint," forward Anthony Randolph said. "We had to make sure he thought twice about [driving to the rim]."

      Every time Mr. Wall looked to the basket, the Knicks would be there. They blocked his path and drew charges—and Mr. Wall finished with nine turnovers, 13 points and only four field goals, his least productive game of the season."

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  6. Lol, I experienced html error 503...server overload. JLinfan#1 kudos for attracting so many people to your blog! Linsanity!

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  7. If Lin can master the half pivot off the dribble in either direction, he will become utterly unstoppable.

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  8. Thanks to Jeremy Lin, Asian parents across the world now see sports as a viable option to be successful and make money. Basketball is the new piano/violin!

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    1. I agree, my son is 11-yrs old and I've been telling him about Jeremy for the better part of the last 2 years. He's a role model that parents can tell their children about.

      He studied hard in school, played hard on the basketball court, and goes to church every Sunday. He faced adversity in his formative years and because of all those positive attributes, he is successful today.

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  9. NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS ARE HIP-HOP FANS BUT SOME RAPPER MADE A SONG ABOUT JEREMY LIN. NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS HEARD IT EITHER BUT HERE IS THE LINK.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKlybeGKeCU

    GIVE IT A CHANCE & U DON'T GOTTA BE A HIP-HOP FAN, JUST LISTEN TO THE WORDS. REALLY INSPIRATIONAL HOW JEREMY LIN IS GETTING ALL THIS NOTORIETY & HOPEFULLY HE STAYS HEALTHY & CAN KEEP IT UP!!

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  10. You have to be deceptive...that is a key. Look at Brandon Roy. He lulls you to be on your balls or heels and then goes the other way. You don't have to be Devon Harris...You need to know how to know where your opponent is (heels or balls of feet) or make him go to his balls or heels of feet and then go opposite. You can speedy Gonzalez, but if people know your gears and can jump on you before you hit that gear fully, then you are giving up your speed.

    Is this too hard to understand?!

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  11. john wall is going to be out for blood tonight, and they now have two nights of game film on lin...should be interesting!

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    1. The truth is John Wall is a terrific team player who knows not to get caught up in individual matchups.

      John Wall will be focused on trying to hold his Washington team together. He is as important to the Wizards as Lin is to the Knicks. Both Wall and Lin know that getting into a scoring battle will guarantee defeat for their teams.

      I think John Wall is awesome and expect him and Lin to play great team basketball against each other.

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  12. I would say he's more like what Tim Duncan would have been if he was a point guard.

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  13. Most uninformed basketball analysts look at Lin's success off the pick and roll and assume that Lin cannot possiblt function without it.

    What those folks don't realize is that Lin is a complete basketball player who hardly has run the pick and roll in his entire career. Under Harvard coach Tommy Amaker, Lin was the 2 guard in a motion scheme with Lin as the sole offensive threat.

    Teams will find out that taking the pick and roll away from Lin simply allows him to showcase other aspects of his game. Lin is a terrific catch.and shoot player, an experienced motion player without the ball, and a superb decoy.

    People think that Lin is like ex Lakers guard Mike Penberthy who had a blazing run of double figures scoring alongside Shaq and Kobe in a few NBA starts. Unfortunately, Penberthy was essentially Steve Novak but a whole foot shorter at 5'10". Lin is not going to flame out like the one dimensional Penberthy did.

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  14. interesting side dynamic in the game today with the wizard's head coach who is randy wittman... dad of ryan wittman who was a major rival to jeremy in the ivy league in 2010 (although they didn't play the same position). ryan wittman won ivy league player of the year honors in 2010 over jlin with some controversy, he also played in the summer league, now playing in poland.

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    1. In a redsarmy blog, a journalist sitting next to Randy Wittman was marveling at Lin's summer league game against Wall. He asked Wittman if Lin would make the NBA. Wittman said "I LIKE him!"

      Ryan Wittman played on a powerful Cornell team that had 3 NBA prospects. They were better than Harvard. He told his dad that Cornell defended Lin better than the NBA did. That seems to be true, though Lin did not have teammates at Harvard capable of helping him.

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  15. The subtle bigotry behind Jeremy Lin's career

    http://www.colorlines.com/archives/2012/02/jeremy_lin.html

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  16. is anyone else blacked out on NBA League pass for this game? such bullshit. It's on NBATV, but I don't have that on my cable.

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  17. yay!! u finally changed the banner number :)

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  18. Ouch that had to hurt. Jlin cut his chin from John Wall purposely charging. Get well JLin

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  19. 1st half over. JLin 8 points, 8 assists, 2 steals, 2 rebounds. Only 1 turnover.

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  20. SLAAAAAAAAAAM.

    DUUUUUUUUUUNK.

    Awesome!

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  21. LIN IS DOING IT ONCE AGAIN. HE ALWAYS LOOKS LIKE THE BEST PLAYER ON THE COURT, IN HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGE AND NOW IN THE NBA!!

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  22. the whole knicks is in a groove because he puts every one else in their natural position ....

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    1. I know. No need to celebrate...he's gonna do that every other night, haha.

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  24. That was one sweet dunk!! JLin isn't even a selfish player, he's passing the ball around making great plays. Great game again but he got hurt quite a bit. Its not even a question if he's a NBA player or not now, its more Who's Next?

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  25. No fluke. 3 games at 20+. That's a trend!

    W/out Amere & Stat tonight again.
    23 pts
    10 ast
    4 rbd

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    1. no fluke....but the pessimists will say it was against a weak team...blah blah....he can't repeat for 4 games.... He's too slow still...can't shoot 3...they will collapse and stop him after 3 games of film.......

      Uhm....if they study film, they cannot just simply overplay his right side. I mean they can, but they question is Jeremy smart enough/adaptable enough to pass or spin or finish reverse, or drive left and finish reverse or finish with his left hand (like he did vs Utah).

      Whatever....this is my last response to people who says he can't do this...he does need to work on his jumper. Maybe he will shoot 3 pointers like Andre Miller. less than 28%...That is a something he def. needs to work on.

      Right now, he is making Tyson Chandler look like an all-star.

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  26. 23 points, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, a steal and a block. Only 2 turnovers. Now 76 points and 25 assists the past 3 games against Deron Williams, Devin Harris, and John Wall. Jeremy Lin is a LEGIT starting NBA PG. I love how all the scouts look completely stupid because of their subtle bigotry and being dead wrong about how good JLin is.

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  27. Jeremy step up so God can do His Amazing Acts! Good job JL. Very excited to see him do well and see him not giving up!

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  28. last week, we were hoping he wouldn't get cut, just praying he could barely scrape his way to get off the bench and help out a little during meaningful stretches. But now, he's putting up all-star level stats!!! JLin doesn't just rise to the top, he just explodes and shoots to on top!

    If he consistently put up those numbers till the end of the season, how much should his agent ask for next year? JLin's avg ppg so far is higher than both Steve Nash ($11mil) & Chris Paul ($16mil), but Nash has a little higher assists. How much do you think JLin could potentially make next year? I also think he'll be sigining a Nike contract pretty soon.

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  29. Jeremy Lin is like the Asian version of Brandon Roy.. Just attacks the basket relentlessly...

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  30. The NBA is now selling Jeremy Lin Knicks jerseys!!

    http://www.nyknicksstore.com/adidas-knicks-jeremy-lin-revolution-30-replica-road-jersey/detail.php?p=368390&v=jerseys

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  31. Thank you anonymous I've been calling them nonstop asking for the JLin jersey!! I want the White one though!!!

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  32. how about this twitter comment from............ STEVE NASH

    SteveNash Steve Nash
    If you love sports you have to love what Jeremy Lin is doing. Getting an opportunity and exploding!!

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  33. Jeremy Lin does it again for the 3rd time.

    http://www.jimmynews.com/2012/02/jeremy-lin-does-it-again-for-3rd-time.html

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  34. stupid commentators... they see the lakers coming to town on friday and they wanna set themselves up for the "i told you so" speech. i can't wait until they're all stunted off another "miraculous" jlin performance. Everyone on this forum knows that his game transcends...the kid IS an all star. How many NBA point guards out there have had their way with deron, the entire jazz team, and wall back to back to back WITHOUT ANY ALL STARS ON THEIR TEAM? UNSUSTAINABLE? you is damn fools MSG commentators walt frazier, mike hahn and kelly tripucka. Just hatin cuz a chinaman is tearin it up better than you ever did. Just racism man.

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