Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Knicks vs Cavs Game Thread

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  1. ugly first half so far by the knicks. this team is so frustrating to follow. no one wants to play defense.

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  2. some early thoughts this game: i feel like lin would be more effective with the second unit off the bench. as a starter he needs to be concerned with getting melo and stat their touches. if he were to play off the bench, he'd have more freedom creating and dishing to the likes of smith and novak

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    1. The first unit was not playing defense. The 2nd unit was playing D, AND forcing Turnovers leading to the Knicks easy transition baskets.
      Lin is a good transition scorer / play maker, so it's imperative that they get stops instead of 'trading baskets' with the other team.

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  3. Why not make Melo the 6th man? Lin is the floor general, the offense falls apart when he sits. The Knicks need Lin starting and playing 35+ mins if they don't want to revert back to the 8-15 team they were without him.

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  4. does d'antoni have the balls to sit melo and go back to what saved his job? the team just looks really disorganized and players out of position. it's definitely gonna be a chemistry and ego issues from here on out.

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  5. I don't know why Landry Fields is a starter. He can't hit the 3 to open the lanes for JLin, and his defense is just average. I know he is Lin's buddy with the nerd handshake .... but he's holding the Knicks back in the 1st quarter.

    D'Antoni needs to tell Lin to stay with his man on the perimeter, do not help out on D, and do not give up wide open 3's

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  6. 4th quarter: JLin with 28min, 13pts, 9assts, 3rebs, 1TO. Kyrie with 25min, 12pts, 6assts, 3rebs, 1TO. So, JLin is playing as well, if not slightly better than, the first pick of the draft. Keep in mind that JLin has only played significant minutes in 13 games while Kyrie has had the benefit of playing in 32.

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  7. good job lin for leading the team back towards the end of the first half.

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  8. IMO it was the bench that won the game. I missed the first 5 min of the 4th quarter and it went from tie game to 13 point lead b/c of the bench starting the 4th.

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    1. Novak is the man. Kicks should get another backup 3-Point shooter to strengthen its line-up.

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    2. The starts brought the game back from a 17 pt deficit. The bench rode the momentum and kept it going. Novak sealed the win.

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  9. Irving and Lin are almost the same player. They are both 6'3", excel in the pick n' roll and can pass. The only thing that Kyrie Irving does better than Lin is his 3-point shooting. He's lights out from deep if and when he gets hot. Good thing the Knicks contained his outside shooting this time.

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    1. I know! There is finally someone within recent basketball with a similar playing style as Jeremy.

      This is my first time watching Irving closely, what a smart player! I hate to point this out, but he played 18 games in college and got picked first overall. Lin? After storming through 4 years of college and breaking all records possible, he was undrafted. 2 years later, we're talking about the 2 in the same column. They both are still a way to go before peaking yet, this is gonna be very interesting in the years to come.

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  10. @Whitman I would argue that Irving has a better left hand than Lin but Lin is def a much better passer.

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    1. So true, Irving's left hand dribble is more refined, so he can go left faster, and finish better with his left hand. But in terms of driving right hand, they are about the same.

      Right now Jeremy is the better one-on-one defender. And in this game, Lin was the better play maker (13 AST to 1 TO vs. 7 AST and 4 TO) ... however a lot of those assists come from having better players around him.

      Shumpert and Jeffries Defense, Novak's 3-point shooting, and Baron Davis off the bench was the key to this game. That can't be overlooked. Hopefully Baron can be a mentor to Jeremy and show him those clever passes.

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  11. Carmelo plus Amare on the floor equals terrible defense and lazy rebounding. Both players are slow to rotate, slow on help defense, and Amare especially is a major liability in defensive rebounding now. That's why at half-time the Knicks scored 49 but gave up 61.

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    1. The duo remind me of the Curry/Ellis combo Jeremy used to play with. They were explosive, scoring in bunches, and giving up in dozens... there's no other way out except to outscore the opponent. If any of the 2 got cold, the game was over. Having both of them on the court at the same time really is a liability on the defensive end, especially with Lin being less aggressive on his D now he's counted on to play heavy minutes.

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    2. Amare should learn from Kevin Love. Shows that you don't need to have explosiveness to be able to rebound. And Carmelo's rebounding is just sad.

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    3. Uh, Kevin Love tested out as being athletically equivalent to the explosive and athletic Al Horford.

      When Stoudemire was a 19 year old.man child in Phx, he had Shawn Kemp level explosiveness. However, all the knee surgeries and NBA battles have robbed him of his athleticism. Stoudemire now has journeyman athleticism despite his max contract.

      I let Carmelo Anthony off the hook on rebounding because he is a small forward.

      Explosiveness is definitely needed to rebound in the NBA, no matter the position.

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    4. When was this testing done?

      Not too long ago, Kevin Love looked much more doughboy and he was still sucking in the boards. I never really thought of Horford all THAT explosive, coordinated, etc, compared to some other players either. Barkley's a big boy got boards.. The worm said it best himself, a lot of rebounding is under the basket cerebral type stuff.

      While Amare's rebound performances (and I'm sure the surgeries haven't helped either...but...) have been disappointing, his brother just died. His rebounding numbers aren't that far off... and I believe this is the first time he has played with a hog like Tyson Chandler.

      Regardless, hopefully Amare will be able to transition his game. He's got his jumper already, add some post moves, and just get gritty blue collar over all. Is he smart enough, and willing to work hard enough to do it....

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    5. BTW, after looking up Al Horford, have you seen his wife!?

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    6. Predraft measurements had some analysts comparing Love to Horford on a sheerly athletic level.

      Kevin Love's athleticism is underrated. He jumps about as high as Lebron James does and runs very fast. There is no NBA player quicker to the ball, even among guards. Plus, Love has awesome coordination and balance.

      Even when Stoudemire was in his athletic prime, he never had the quickness and coordination and balance that Love has. The only rebounding forwards I've seen that could compete with Love in those areas are Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, and Dennis Rodman.

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  12. LOL, isn't it great that people can make excuses for Kyrie Irving for losing. Not that I don't agree with the excuses.... Cuz the Knicks definitely do have better personnel. All though, back in January, the Knicks lost to the Cavs.


    So I'm gonna go ahead and say Lin was the GOAT and the x-factor for this game.

    OMG OMG Kyrie had 4 TOs GASP~! *shrug*

    Too bad Kyrie Irving is putting up hot numbers on a bottom dwelling team. Which could mean his numbers don't mean anything. No one is saying that and denying his talent. But *shrug*

    LOL I remember Tyreke Evans rookie year when the Kings didn't do squat (as usual), but they celebrated so hard cuz Tyreke put up 20-5-5 and everyone else was gaga too.




    PS Did anyone notice the HORNETS "shutting down" Kyrie Irving? 2-13 (missed all 4 treys) shooting with 6 pts

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  13. I suggest the Knicks sign James Singleton, a 6'-8" Small Forward playing for the Xinjiang Flying Tigers of the Chinese League.

    He's a good spot up 3-point shooter, lock down defender, and a high flying dunker for those alley oop lobs.

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    2. How would he fit in their rotation though?

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    3. He could play SF off the bench is Melo is getting burned defensively or not producing offensively ...

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    4. sounds like a poor man's josh harrelson who they already have..........

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    5. Who's minutes would he take? Melo is gonna play 35 minutes a game. You have 4 quality guys off the bench that could play SF.... and Steve Novak? I'm not exactly sure how Dantoni plugs him in, but he is listed in the box score as bench SF.

      10 man rotation already

      JR + Iman = small ball SFs
      Steve Novak = bench SF
      Jared Jeffries = Can go SF, PF, C if needed.

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    6. Don't forget Bill Walker who is still injured.

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  14. The Knicks are finally clicking together. I like the fact that Lin can essentially disappear while still putting up eye-popping numbers. Baron looked very good - his good performance will take the pressure off of Jeremy and allow Jeremy to become more consistent and lower TO. It's great to follow Jeremy right back to my city where I can watch every game. Go Knicks & Jeremy!

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