This is a must win. as we all know, Blind'antoni wont' "risk" it. We match up well, if we can keep pierce and Allen under 20 pts each. Maybe coach will shock the world and give J some real minutes in this game. Man, this is so frustrating
Did u yell out his name at the bulls games?? thanks....
Yea... We may well as not tune in til the 4th when dumbtoni runs the team to a blowout loss... These guys will b tired so hopefully this non playmaking coach will send in Lin to run the plays himself.
D'asstoni is so blind and stupid so he probably wouldn't play Lin...hope i'm wrong..
Maybe they will let the bench players play, and keep the starters on the bench for tomorrow
Nothing would bring me more joy than to watch Lin handcuff Rondo all night. I really don't like that guy.
Moderator, glad you got rid of that lunatic John. He thinks everyone in the world has to be an NBA or Knicks fan. :) What a clown, he doesn't realize he entered a JLin fan site, hehe.
It's too bad Lin probably won't get to play. As a Harvard man, Lin is a local college star who the fans would cheer. It would help offset the Knicks facing a normally hostile road crowd.
Lin in. I called it again.
JEREMY IS PLAYING!!!!!
Lin in 1st quarter!!! :)
turnover and a miss... come one JEREMY you can do it!!!
shit!!! Lin gets a foul on the three... three free thow for rondo...
I hate to say it, but Jeremy's awareness level in the NBA level is very poor. He has not shown that he can be consistent in meaningful playing time. Too many little mistakes that causes the team to get burned quick. Let's hope he adjusts FAST.
Nemo, true Jeremy started off slow. But I think he'll be just fine. Please don't jump on the band wagon when he starts doing well later.Clearly, you think he's only playing because they are in Boston and not because the Feb.10 deadline...you sure they aren't trying to figure out whether they want to keep him or not.
Fan, he is in for many factors. We can safely say he has passed Mike Bibby in the depth chart, and perhaps is now tied with Toney Douglas depending on the situation/game, and tonight playing Jeremy made more sense.As for your bandwagon statement, it is really not the right thing to say as I said Jeremy need to adjusts fast to close the gap on his little mistakes that get the team burned. I wasn't saying he won't ever make it in the NBA.
you are right. Sorry to have been rash...simple misunderstanding
It is also quite obviously why he was in the game. He has connections to Harvard and hes in Boston, so this was purely all marketing.
Does anyone else feel that we are watching a totally different game when Jeremy comes in? It's almost like I start to notice every little thing going on in the court.
Yep! And so does the announcers!
I am with you on that one. Do you notice how the announcers almost run out of thngs to say? almost like they are distracted?
nice drive and assist!
It official, the refs didn't give him any whistles. All the questionable calls were ruled against him. The NBA refs are a joke.
lol @ purely marketing. You always make some interesting calls Nemo.Jeremy Lin needs to learn how to dribble around an aggressive defender with his head up. He's always looking to beat them with a change of direction of some sort then run full speed with his head down. You can see half the time the defender has read him and Lin has to force his way past with his head downLin really needs to learn to create plays without going full speed.Lin already subbed off after over 6 minutes of play. Hopefully he gets back on, calms down a bit and gains a bit more confidence.
I agree what ur saying. Maybe he shouldve passed it and then get it back. If he didnt got the second foul he would probably still be on the field
Lin drives into the teeth of the Celtics defense (doesn't score), but seems to energize first team coming back to penetrate and attack!Good for him.
He was a mixed bag with as much positive as negative in the first half. But he clearly deserves another stint in the 2nd half and more minutes tomorrow. Douglas has had 20 games to prove himself and didn't. JL deserves more than one or two.
I want to see Lin Dunk sometimes. I know he can, but it probably burns too much energy.
The announcers are now talking about Jeremy Lin again. They said that Jeremy was the first PG off the bench this game and they were asking why. They talked about how Jeremy and Toney Douglas are now battling for the backup spot, and perhaps Jeremy might have won the backup spot. It should be interested to see what is really going to happen. As i said before, ) it might be purely marketing because they are playing in Boston, or as Fan said, 2) it was to test to see what Jeremy has before they make the Feb 10 decision on what to do with him. 3( The last possibility may be that he is now the backup PG as the announcers stated. Let's see who is right.
Here's the thing with Jeremy Lin, he wasn't part of the team to begin with, he wasn't meant to be a backup guard, just a 12th-15th man. If he gets a chance in the rotation, he better set the world on fire. He can't JUST play better than Toney Douglas. He can't let the opposing guard score or draw a foul, he can't miss more than a shot, and he can't ever turn the ball over. He has to walk on coals. There is no margin for error for him. That's sad, because how much margin for error has Douglas been given? How many mistakes has he been able to play through? He has a bigger contract, he's signed for next year. Tough luck Jeremy.
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I believe before the game Dantoni is starting to realise Lin might be the answer to the backup PG role and wanted to test him out.It was a bit messy but what can you expect from someone who's playing real minutes almost for the first time. But since Dantoni's put Douglas back in the 2nd half it looks like Lin failed the test.Mike Dantoni clearly only saw the messy side and forgets that Lin is just rusty and needs more playing time to settle.
Once again, the "Knicks PG Clown Show" continues. Shumpert, Douglas, Lin all show bad stats, with low FG percentages, inexperience running the show, and opposing teams not respecting the PG's. and lastly, WHERE'S BIBBY? Looks like D'Antoni finally caught on to waht the J-Lin fanbase knew since the beginning of the season. He's not in any shape to play at the level he once did.
Comon Lin he gave you a chance, that was your time to shine. : ( That was not a good start for him on national TV. I don't know if D'Antoni trust in him now, since he replace Lin with Douglas. Holpeful he will get another chance.
The announcer again brings up Lin by saying Jeremy Lin at least could get into the paint, compared to Douglas or Shumpert. Douglas is looking horrible out there.
I can read D'Antoni's face right now, and he looks really scared of losing tonight. He really wants to win. He said something to Shumpert and looked really frustrated while talking to him.
True point guards need more than 7 minutes. It takes time and familiarity to develop an offensive rhythm. If D'Antoni and fans don't understand that, then they don't know basketball.Shumpert just picked up his 4th foul and Douglas keeps clanking 3s...could we see JL back in the game? Maybe it'll go to OT and D'Antoni will have no choice but to play Jeremy in crunch time.
I dont think Lin is gonna play anymore. The game is too close. And D'Antoni is probably still upset with the foul on Rondo
If you look at the stats, Jeremy out plays Douglas again in 7 minutes each. You can't compare Shumpert because he has gotten so many minutes in this game. Shumpert has a really fast dribble, but that can only get you so far..
Shumpert is really good on defense though, I can see why they play him over Lin. He's also a rookie, so they want to develop him. You honestly think that D'Antoni would see the slight differences in Lin vs Douglas today though? Jeremy would have to pretty significantly outplay Douglas in order to take his rotation spot.
But the exposure for Jeremy tonight was tremendous. This game is huge. Nationally televised. It looks like they are setting up Jeremy to be an NBA household name... Just wait and see ;)
LOL Tenchnical Foul on D'Antoni!
Shumpert u idiot how can u pass the ball like that.................... u freaking IDIOT!!!!
I think the Knicks would have had a pretty good chance if Jeremy played Douglas' minutes in the second half.
Agreed. Shumpert didn't play well either. Don't know why Knicks fans love him so much. He gets every opportunity and still hasn't proven himself. At least JL has to excuse of not playing much. And Douglas has the excuse of playing out of position.Anyway, this loss might be D'Antoni's final straw. And if he's fired, Jeremy might finally get a fair shake (regular rotation minutes if only for ~10mpg).
they lost.... novak shouldve bummed garnett to get the foul for the free throw.... AAAAARRGGG, im so frustrated!!!
Comments on JL are generally favorable. Good energy. Play smart to get on the foul line. Some problems, but settle down later. He has problem handling the ball when defense is tough. JL is smart, so he will learn to adjust. I hope he will get more PT in the next game.
I don't understand why Dumbtoni did not go back to JLin near the end of the 3rd. He had one turn over but when he was in, he stirred the defense and they were leading by 6.I hope Dumbtoni get fired soon.
J-Lin played solid for the minutes he got. What can you expect for someone has never played outside of garbage minutes. He had a turnover and missed some easy layups (which in question should of got call for them) but overall he played great defense and was aggressive for the most part. People have understand even though there pros they still get nervous when put under the limelight. If you notice Jeremy gets more confidence the longer he plays. If he is given consistent minutes I guarantee he can be a starter in this league for a long long time. He still has a lot to develop in his offense game but more time on the court, building confidence in himself and he will be ALRIGHT!!GO J-LIN!!!
The Celtics are a great team that really excels defensively. They can make any player in the NBA look silly for an entire game. It's great that Lin is getting minor minutes. That is what one would expect for a guy that had never been a rotation regular in the NBA. Though we here all know that Lin eventually can play major minutes, he does have to get acclimated to playing against rotation players on good teams. Lin may be the NBA king of garbage time, but rotation minutes are different. Every game Lin plays, he shows positives. He thoroughly outplayed Toney Douglas who is a designated rotation player. The Celtics guards didn't explode against him. There are times when basketball teams cannot get anything done against each other, particularly in Celtics games that are defense oriented. Besides, the Knicks were ahead most of the game!I am pleased that D'antoni is indeed trying out Lin, even in short stints.
From what I saw today: Lin > Douglas, Carmelo needs to step up when the game's on the line. He didn't even run through the picks to get the ball, I really doubt that pass was supposed to go Novak. Get all that money, married to LaLa and can't step up? He also needs to lose so weight man, everyone has like 5% body fat, he has like 9-10%, stop eating fattening food. NBA players should not have a chubby round face. If Jeremy played for even 5 minutes, I think they would've won the game or at least tied it. Douglas missed a bunch of shots and didn't penetrate at all. Lin needs to shoot the ball and be confident and build upon that confidence, he already looks a lot more comfortable on the court but just stop thinking and play! You are probably the best real point guard on the team right now!
It's not about being better than Douglas. It's about being good, PERIOD. Neither guy was any good tonight, but they have more invested in Douglas as he was a 1st Round pick. Lin was un-freaking-drafted. He can't play poorly. D'Antoni finally gave him a chance and he blew it. Until he does something meaningful in a real game, he'll be know as a garbage-time All-Star.
Base on this game and a lost i dont think D'Antoni will play again maybe even get cut from thecteam. Its sad to say but hope thatcit doesn't happen. I hope Lin will work on his jump shots n 3 ball, it will help him alot. With this lost i dont think the coach have confident in him much. D'Antoni gave hime a chance to boost the team by putting him in the first quarter but he did not perform as expected so they sat him for the rest of the game. This was really a good chane for Lin to show himself but nothing.......so sad to see him like this with he could have done better. Hope se will have another chance the next game. If he fails again i think he will be done. But hope it doesn't happen.......
Lin needs to realize that opportunities don't come around very often. The fact is, he choked tonight. I'm tired of making excuses for this kid. No one is going to hold your hand, bro. You've got to man up and perform when the lights are on. Getting picked and not being able to bring the ball up the court is a no-no for a PG, let alone a wing player. That is unacceptable. He needs to realize that these guys' eyes light up when they see that they're guarding him. They want to eat him and embarrass him. This nice guy persona of his won't get him far. He needs to be tougher.
Well said and very true the spot light was on him tonight but he dint show. He really got to get tougher like u said. Today was a really good day to shine on ESPNbut he din show. : (
Relax. He didn't choke. It wasn't a great game and it wasn't an absolutely horrible game.
Lin stats:7min play time0-3 field goal2-2 free throw2 defensive rebounds1 assist1 turn over2 personal foulsShumpert stats:42 minutes play time3-10 field goal 1-3 3points made2 offensive rebounds1 defensive rebound 5 assist1 steal3 turnover5 personal foulsDouglas stats:8 minutes0-3 field goal 0-2 3pt made2 defensive rebounds1 steal
Comparing stats is meaningless. They all sucked. For Lin, he needs to SIGNIFICANTLY outplay those guys in non-garbage time situations. And he didn't. He has no one to blame but himself.
I hate to say it, but I firmly believe Melo's ego is killing the team chemistry. For one, when we saw Shumpert/Douglas/Jeremy struggle, Melo would take over bringing the ball up the court. I find that highly inappropriate. It's almost like an insult to the PG's. Like a slap in the face. Next, you will notice in some games that Melo barely gives an effort. Like that 1 point performance he didn't care much about. Tonight he tried his hardest and failed. Paul Pierce outclassed him, even at his age. For an NBA team to win, you need to give a team effort like we saw with the Celtics tonight. Bulls are another example of team effort. Knicks clearly lack it.
Lin didn't choke tonight.He was only -1 (plus minus) and fearlessly attacked into the Celtics D, and you can see starters were energized to penetrate after they were put back in game.May not have looked pretty, but especially against a good D, effective in the role D'Antoni gave him.He even surprised Van Gundy with his open court speed (not just first step).
But the foul on Rondo killed the trust of D'Antoni.
Sorry, but in Lin's situation, you can't merely be solid (and I thought he wasn't quite that, tonight). Remember, he was undrafted and subsequently waived by 2 teams. No one has anything invested in him (except those of us posting on this blog), unlike Douglas and Shumpert, who, despite not being very good at all, are perceived to have an athletic upside that Lin doesn't have. They're not going to wait for Lin to develop. He needs to step up and DO IT now, before it's too late.
I didn't see it, but I'm not surprised. That's one of the worst things you can do as a defender (foul on 3pt shot). But -1 +/- is good in such a loss and hopefully Lin will stay on the team.
Hope this game is not a decision making for keeping Lin.
Bad call of the ref on Fields. Rondo knocked it out of his hands. It shouldve been Knicks ball. After that Allen got the three and everything went downhills....
Just heard D'Antoni's interview. He said he was looking for some spark when he put Lin in and he said he didn't get any. (not verbatim). I think D'Antoni was sitting on the fence on Lin, but seems to sway toward the negative. Today wasn't his best performance, but he showed again that he can penetrate. What looked the worst was when he got picked and when he fouled for 3 point. It was a missed opportunity, but I think he'll get one more chance at the next game.
That is predictable simply because the Knicks lost. He probably wants to strangle the whole team after the game. If the Knicks had won the game, his thinking would have been a bit different.
Ha ha ha. Doesn't D'Antoni know that very few guys can provide a spark against the Celtics? Typically Celtics games are grinding physical battles where the sheer Hall of Fame shotmaking talent of the great Paul Pierce is the difference maker. Jeremy Lin attacking IS the spark that D'Antoni needed. But one player, no matter how great, can beat the Celtics by himself. Not even Kobe and Lebron can do that.
Actually I dont think Jeremy can be the type of back-up that provides an offensive spark. It is clear that he doesn't have that scorer mentality. Either you have it or you dont. And he is so quiet no swagger at all, hard to get your teammates hyped or excited when you're so quiet on the court. I just dont see him as an Eddie House, or Barbosa type of back-up guard. He is more of a guy that can come in give your starting guard some rest and maintain a lead without making too many mistakes.
Yup, Jeremy is just too reserved out there. He doesn't have the kind of presence you need at this time. He needs to be more verbal and talk. The PG is supposed to be the leader on the court. I don't care if he's the new guy with little experience. He needs to quit worrying about what Melo or Amar'e will think when he is in there with them. Bottom line: if he gets another opportunity, he needs to take advantage of it. Time is running out.
If the Knicks do decide to drop Jeremy, I hope the Miami Heat brings Jeremy on. I think someone like Coach Spoelstra knows how to handle a player like Jeremy. Spoelstra was a PG too back in his college days, and he also grew up in the West Coast like Jeremy.
Leads immediately evaporate with Douglas in.Lin, despite not looking pretty, was still only -1 in plus minus over 6 minutes and Knicks still had lead.Lin just can't win against all these doubters.Looks like he hasn't been given a fair chance since his Palto Alto High days and championship run against Mater Dei:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/04/02/SPG6FI1UJF1.DTL
Palo Alto coach Peter Diepenbrock holds up two fingers when listing Lin's priorities."Making plays and winning games," he said.Palo Alto won 32 of them this season (losing only one), including a 51-47 upset of nationally ranked Mater Dei for the CIF State Division II title at Arco Arena two weeks ago. Most of the victories were lopsided.But Diepenbrock swears, in every jaw-grinding, lip-biting, palm-sweating situation, Lin made the pivotal play to win."It was uncanny," Diepenbrock said. "You could bank on him every time."You think Diepenbrock's blowing smoke? He recalled every game-winner.-- Dec. 9 in Santa Cruz Dad's Tournament semifinals against St. Francis -- "We're down a bucket in the final minute of overtime. Jeremy hits a 25-footer. We win (57-55)."-- Dec. 21 in consolation title game of Mission Prep Classic against Bakersfield -- "We're down three with five seconds left. (Lin) catches in-bounds pass, penetrates, kicks and Steven Brown drills a 3-pointer at the buzzer. We win (80-74) in overtime and Jeremy has triple-double."-- Dec. 29 in semifinals of St. Francis Tournament against San Ramon Valley -- "We're up two, their stud (Brandon Adams) gets the ball underneath in final seconds. Jeremy rips the ball out of his hands, gets fouled, hits free throw. We win (54-51)."-- March 9, NorCal semifinals at home against Laguna Creek -- "We're tied with 50 seconds to go, (Lin) buries a 3-pointer from the wing. After a stop, he penetrates, feeds Brown who ices the win (52-46)."-- March 11, NorCal finals against Mitty at Arco Arena -- down one with 24.1 seconds to play, Lin draws two defenders and finds Brad Lehman, who drills 3-pointer from the corner. Palo Alto 45, Mitty 43. "(Lin) makes it look easy."-- March 17, State title game -- "We're up two in final 30 seconds. (Lin) decides to drive to the basket. He takes on their star (Taylor King), goes over him and makes a layup to ice it."
dude that was in high school. Almost everyone in the NBA was doing that for their high school team.
Not every NBA player has won a California state high school championship an won every Player of the Year award. Not every NBA player has raised his production when the game is on the line like Lin did in high school, college, summer league, D league, and now the NBA.
Why are my posts being deleted? Because you disagree me?
I noticed some of my posts were deleted too... What's the deal?
I wouldn't blame Lin for choking in this game. You'd have to blame Douglas even worse, and Shumpert doesn't look all that great either. Keep in mind that the Celtics have a tendency to shut opposing guards down. Besides, Lin did not lose the game for the Knicks in his short stint on the court. What is impressive is that Lin appears to have beaten out Mike Bibby for the backup pg slot. Lin is inching up on Douglas who did not play better than Lin. Besides, today was the first time Lin played with the game's outcome in question. This game is more meaningful than the Houston 20 min stint because Lin's minutes were not garbage time minutes. It appears that Lin is forcing his way into the Knicks rotation with his quality play. Even if the Knicks cut him by Feb 10, Lin is playing his way onto a NBA roster next season.
That was a reality check folks. Against a strong defensive team, Lin was just so-so. But he had is moments and the ESPN announcers even gave him some props. Although Van Gundy's "deceptively quick" statement was funny because why wouldn't you think he is quick? Because maybe being Asian you assume he isn't? Ha ha.Well let's hope he gets another shot tomorrow. Honestly, I think the coach only planned on giving him those exact minutes and unless he totally lit things up wouldn't have brought him back in the game unless it was a blow-out.
Exactly Chuckle, I was saying all along that tonight's match was a marketers dream. Jeremy went to school in Boston at Harvard and now he's in the NBA. It's a feel good story.
I'd like to believe that those 'deceptively quick' comments from analysts are mainly because of Lin's size. He's 6'4, 200 in shoes, but he's really fast for that size. Part of it is because he's asian, but you can't say he isn't quick for his size.
That was a fun article - thanks for posting. I remember watching Steve Nash when he was going head to head against Jason Kidd at Cal. You could tell that he wasn't going to let a stereotype stop him - gangly kid at Santa Clara going head to head against a nationally hyped (deservedly) guard at a big program. It may take Lin a bit more time, but I see the same fire in him.
"The kid makes every one around him way better," Mater Dei coach Gary McKnight said. "He was very impressive."Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/04/02/SPG6FI1UJF1.DTL#ixzz1lO0rsaQ6In addition to a knock down 3 point shooter (Novak), he needs a Danny Greene (Reno Big Horns time) who cuts really well without the basketball and sees the court same way Lin does as he penetrates (remember Musselmen's comments about how that was only time he just sat back and watched as 3 really smart basketball players just meshed really well). Maybe Jordon as the big and an Anthony Richardson type very springy, athletic, high energy type to clean up Lin's misses around the basket.
"THE BAD: New York struggled on offense with Toney Douglas on the floor late in the game, scoring just five points over a seven-minute stretch between late in the third and midway through the fourth. Over that span, the Knicks went from up 10 to tied at 77-77. One issue during the dry stretch? A lack of ball movement. New York's ball movement looked much improved throughout most of the first half, when the Knicks scored 55 points, but was stagnant with Douglas running the show. Earlier in the game, Mike D'Antoni went with Jeremy Lin over Douglas as his first guard off the bench. It's a bit surprising that he didn't go back to Lin with the Knicks' offense struggling in the second half. "http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/10775/page/rapidreaction/rapid-reaction-celtics-91-knicks-89
That's because Lin is incapable of bringing the ball up the court. J Lin isn't NBA ready in term of talent. He doesn't have a good jumper nor good ball handling ability. On the positive note, he plays very hard and understands the game.
Then you need to also write that Toney Douglas can't play in the NBA either, as Lin outplayed him this game. Lin's jumper looked just fine last season with all those good Warriors passers on the court with him. Also, he's penetrating the lane unlike the other Knick guards.and committed only one turnover today. I just shake my head when people who look at Lin and proclaim that he cannot possibly play in the NBA are utterly blind when one looks at his actual statistical production on the court.
I do remember when Lin said something about showing the scouts what he does. He said they have to watch a few of his games to understand his game, he's not going to do something flashy or dunk like crazy right away
you can't get picked when you bring the ball up court. the backup pg spot is his if he wants it. he has to play better like no silly turnovers and the spot is his.
Yup. One turnover. I guess the backup spot indeed is Lin's!
I understand that on that stat sheet it is just one turnover. But anyone who watched the game can see that one pick, was more than just a simple turnover. It showed that Jeremy can't bring the ball up, a very basic PG skill that is required at the NBA level. And that wasnt the first time it happened. I actually think overall Jeremy is a better PG than Douglas. But he lacks critical basic skills that will force D'antoni to play Douglas over him.
I am a stats guy and looking at the EFF48M, Lin is #5 among all players. Ofcourse the stats are skew since he's lucky to get 20 minutes. But it does show that he uses he minutes well.http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp?league=00&season=22011&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&sortOrder=7&splitDD=All%20TeamsReally hope that Knicks would give him more critical minutes like tonight. Yes, he'll have TO, but he'll make up for it with smart plays and ball movement. Celtics are a slow team and the Knicks didn't push them to play another tempo - that's why they lost tonight.
"It showed that Jeremy can't bring the ball up, a very basic PG skill that is required at the NBA level. "So what does that say about Tony Douglas being blind as a bat when acting in a point guard role?D'Antoni can do what Musselman did in interrim, let someone dribble ball up and Lin comes back to get ball as pass when they are in the half court.Then in the off-season, he can work with coaches on tightening up his dribble and just have Shumpert harass the heck out of him in bringing the ball up the court drills.I saw one really other good comment somewhere here regarding off - season change for Lin - he said Lin jumps into the air before passing, creating problems for himself. He said Chris Paul only jumps in air as a fake out move, but that Lin seems to do it right now more as matter of routine.
"Musselman, the former Warriors and Kings coach, said it's a "realistic goal" for Lin to become the first guard off the bench for either Curry or Ellis next season."He's got intangibles you can't teach," said Musselman, who coached Lin for 20 games in Reno this season. "No matter how he's playing, he's always going to be an unbelievable loose-ball getter. He's got will and determination when pursing the ball."He can pressure and wreak some havoc, turn people. He's a change-of-pace guy who can do multiple things."Lin's weaknesses? His shot and the ability to go left. Then again, Musselman said Lin kept defenses honest with his perimeter jumper, and Lin did shoot 39 percent from 3-point range.Musselman did say Lin needs to improve his jump shot, and also said if Lin "could ever drive left like he does right his game could go to another level." But one thing Lin does have is something not every guy does: Toughness."When a guy comes to the D-League from the NBA, everyone wants to go at him," Musselman said. "He didn't even flinch. There are some hungry, junkyard dogs down here, and he's a tough-minded kid. Nothing fazed him."http://www.csnbayarea.com/04/11/11/Lin-might-be-third-guard-Warriors-are-se/landing_warriors.html?blockID=501921