Thursday, February 23, 2012

Game Time! Knicks @ Heat

The Heat will be wearing all black vs the Knicks in white. Expect Jeremy's A game. I suspect he will be getting some good calls tonight and will have a monster game!

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  1. Struggling, looks scared out there.....

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  2. I think he's playing hurt. Refs aren't calling fouls and he's taking a beating.

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  3. His feelings def hurt... Otherwise he just looks overwhelmed.

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  4. Lin needs to wake the hell up.

    This is real basketball being played here. He struggles big time when guys pressure him and get in his shirt. In the offseason, he needs major work on his handle when being guarded closely. He's just way too careless with the ball.

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  5. Struggling big time, not playing with confidence.

    Chalmers/Coles getting it done defensively. Lin must look to attack during the pick and roll; he keeps taking a stationary dribble or a back dribble after the pick (maybe feeling the pressure? feeling scared?)

    first half grade: F

    Hopefully Lin plays with swagger in the second half

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  6. The Heat got in his head. He's looked scared and passive, which we didn't see in his previous games.

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  7. Miami is an excellent team collapsing after the PNR and draw a charge when u attack. Let's see if he is going to come out and play his way...

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  8. Why is he picking up his dribble? He's basically doing the opposite of everything that has made him successful thus far.

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  9. looks like you suspected wrong.... as did i. I feel like this is a good thing. for him to circle the next game against the heat and demolish them

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  10. He was succeeding before today by ATTACKING. All game today he didn't attack even with open lanes, and he stopped his dribble too early far too frequently. He played timid. He needs to stop deferring to Carmelo and Amare and play HIS game, which he didn't today

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  11. Goodness, that was quite a debacle on a big stage. He looked overwhelmed. Look for teams to follow this gameplan on him. Teams are going to pressure him hard now. Let's see how he responds.

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  12. Lin will come back. He will learn from this.

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  13. I still have faith, after the All-Star break Lin will be back...

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  14. Hmm.. that game was a joke. He's playing way too scared out there.. a much anticipated game for nothing.. so pissed n dissapointed. Damn.

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  15. Was it the teams game plan for him to be passive and give the ball up more? Because that's not his game. His offense creates assists for him, but when he's not in attack mode all game, then it's going to affect his shots.

    Not the jeremy lin we're accustomed to seeing. Hopefully he will learn from this game by watching the post game tape.

    I wouldn't be surprised if more haters come out and bash on JLins game after seeing his poor performance.

    One thing I know about JLin is his resilience. I know he will get back up and play a better game next time.

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  16. Hmm.. that game was a joke. He's playing way too scared out there.. a much anticipated game for nothing.. so pissed n dissapointed. Damn.

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  17. Although it was not a good game, it is a good learning experience for JLin. He is talented and works hard, so he will only get better. The Knicks will definitely do better once they have more time to gel. The Knicks and Heat will meet again.

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  18. Sorry but it was just dissapointlin. I couldn't watch anymore of it by the 4th quarter. I think Linsanity has peaked and from now will just keep dipping as teams play him harder and he seems less and less of a threat. I actually thought Baron Davis and JR Smith played better and more aggressive than Lin. It felt like he was the Carmelo of a few days ago with the Nets and Carmelo was the one trying to do it all, although iso and no passing will not win the game. Think this is the beginning of a very tough time after the All Star Break. Hopefully Jeremy Lin will learn how to dribble the ball up court.

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  19. Was not a good game. But it's a learning experience that hopefully Lin and the Knicks can build on. Don't dribble so high when bringing the ball up court against small guards.

    He has had trouble in the past against small defensive guards, he needs to learn to use his size to his advantage and back them down in the post.

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    1. Agreed, JLin needs to create more space for himself bringing the ball up the court and before passing the ball. He has to be more physical with the small guards, backing them down to clear out space. They are bound to foul JLin if he asserts his space.

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  20. Kumakun, you do realize that the Heats are the Number 1 team in the league right? They also have the best defense in the league. Miami's had an entire season before this one to gel. Knicks are basically a fresh team. Knicks were nothing 2 weeks ago. Linsanity is here to stay. JLin does not need fans like you.

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  21. Not making excuses but Jeremy Lin has played 12 games, 40 minutes a game, in 16 days. Crazy exhausting.

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    1. That's not an excuse. That's a FACT. lol.

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  22. Lin was gased. I think he used the last drop of fuel when he hit that lay-up.

    I knew he wanted to bounce back in the second half, and he showed that for a few moments. His mentality willed him to those FTs in the second half, but the body just wasn't there. He was much slower on his penetration today, and the open shots weren't even close. Poor man, I actually felt bad for him. This could be his rookie wall moment, maybe it is happening at the best of time, right into the all-star weekend with their longest break of the season coming up.

    It wasn't just Lin that was tired. The whole Knicks team was. They were down by 8-12 in the final 5 min, definitely within striking distance, but that defense intensity we had witnessed time and time again during the winning streak was nowhere in sight. It felt like they wish the clock could wind down soon so they could go home and rest.

    For all and all, this is one great lesson, probably the most valuable loss of the season. It really exposed the weaknesses and got into the head of these young players, especially Jeremy. If they learn from this well, it'd help them mature rapidly and become a real contender in the future.

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  23. Still too early to compare J Lin to D Wade. But definitely looking forward to seeing him progress thou.

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  24. See. That's why Jeremy Lin should not be comparing to All-Star. He should have time and space to grow and develop as a player. Now Lin can put away those hypes and continue to be himself. LET'S GO LIN!!!!!!

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  25. Quit using the excuse of Lin being tired. The fact is, Chalmers and Cole used and abused him at both ends tonight. He straight got exposed. Teams will be looking at the film of this this game and try to do the same things the Heat did. He's sure to get a steady dose of full court ball pressure in the upcoming games.

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    1. He's worked hard to get this far. He will make adjustments on how to play physical smaller guards. All players have weaknesses and knowing Jlin he's someone that loves the game and is a competitive player. He's going to do better next game and come playoff time he'll be fine.

      Next season will be his break out season.

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  26. 12 games in 16 days isn't an excuse, it's a fact that D'Antoni has used Lin like Secretariat

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    1. Look, everyone is tired. But that doesn't mean it's okay to go on yet another turnover spree. Some of his turnovers are flat out inexcusable. As an NBA PG, you can't get picked in the backcourt. His ball-handling needs to tighten up considerably. He seems to really struggle whenever anyone actually pressures him defensively.

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    2. You sound like you just lost a bet or something.. Relax bro, it's just a basketball game and 1 game at that against the FREAKING HEAT!!!! You act as if he's the next Michael Jordan or something man, give the kid some slack and you sound irritated for some reason...

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    3. Oh please. Stop being a hater.

      Lin went from waivers to triple teams overnight. He is learning the NBA. Lin is not going to learn any other way.

      Lin has no help in the backcourt. Not a single guard on the Knicks would start on any other team, not even Landry Fields. Give Lin even one competent ballhandler in the backcourt and the turnovers will disappear instantly.

      Every other NBA team has at least 2 ballhandlers in the backcourt, one of whom was a high draft pick. The Knick guards that could dribble were ejected.off the team in trade or waiver. No wonder Lin gets worn out and gets trapped.

      Haters like you want to blame Lin for everything. You are wrong because basketball is a team game, not an individual one. Fix the other Knicks first.before fixing Lin.

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    4. Uh, what game are you watching? D'Antoni's offense basically utilizes the off guard as nothing more than a spot up shooter, which renders your explanation moot. It's a big reason why Joe Johnson left the Suns--he wanted to be more than just a spot up shooter.

      Bottom line: Lin needs to keep his turnovers down by eliminating his careless plays.

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    5. you don't have to be an expert to know that turnovers are bad. you are stating the obvious. it's not jeremy's fault that Knicks lost although he did have a bad game. not sure if this really means anything other then that he had a bad game. even mj had his bad days. the real question should be how is he going to learn and bounce back. i have a feeling he's going to come back strong.

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    6. TVN, c'mon.

      If you are going to contest me on history in order to flame Lin out of the NBA, at least get your facts straight.

      Joe Johnson was a superb producer for Dantoni at 2 guard. So superb was Johnson that Atlanta offered him that max contract that the Suns reluctantly would not match. Trust me, Joe Johnson could not have earned a max contract merely.by being a spot up shooter.

      The reason the Knicks have spot up shooters at the 2 is because those guys cannot dribble. Other than the erratic JR Smith, not a single Knick guard can dribble around and create. Lin has to do it for them, and thus he is taking their turnovers onto himself. Dantoni knows this, and that's why he lets Lin play.

      Where was your hater butt when Lin had only 3 TOs against Atlanta?

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  27. Adversity will just ultimately make Lin (mentally) stronger.

    Plus, in playoffs, I doubt all of those Bosh jumpers will swish.

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  28. So far, Lin has had a better start to his career than Lebron or Wade did when they were rookies.

    Lin has been facing double and triple teams on every play. That will wear any guy out, including Lebron and Wade.

    Right now Lin is learning the NBA. Games like this happen to everybody. As long as the net effect is positive, life goes on.

    Trust me, nobody is going to bench Lin or send him back to the Dleague. He has already established himself as an NBA star.

    If teams think that they now can guard Lin with a single player, they'll get burned.

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  29. probably the worst game of his career.

    just saw the highlights of the game and lin does look like he's tired. back to back and travling on the road will do that. still some of those turnovers were inexcusable. saw some lazy passes and getting picked at the other end of the court. he's still a shaky ballhandler. things he can work on during practice.

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  30. 12 games in 16 days is fact, more minutes played than anybody. Plus the kid is only 23 YEARS old. Give the kid a break. Appreciate what he's done so far. Some of your comments reflect more on yourself than on Lin, and some sound like psycho sports parents living vicariously through their kids (in an unhealthy way).

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    1. Exactly, are you reading this TVN??? I think TVN has a problem more so than Lin is against the Heat.. He's lashing out like crazy... Did you smash your keyboard and monitor TVN??? You know this is a JLin fan only site right where we support him through the good games and bad.. You should go to a Knick forum or something, get your anger on those other forum boards, lol...

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  31. I understand the disappointment when we all really wanted JLin to do really well in the biggest game so far. But even Barkley and Reggie (Miller?) conceded that the kid is tired after playing 12 games in 16 days and it's actually good that this loss will somewhat temper the expectations. Rookie Wall? Perhaps. End of Linsanity? I think not. Remember that in the two biggest games against Lakers and Mavericks, he delivered. Two wins out of three big games are not bad at all.

    At times like this, we should sit back, relax and keep things in perspective. It's been an unprecedented 2 weeks to rise from the end of the bench to the star PG. Let's hope JLin get plenty of rest during All-Star weekend, decline many interviews and come back strong in the last half of the season.

    The Knicks know they can play with the Heat if they cut down on the turnovers. JLin just needs to learn how to play with Melo and Amare; when to attack and when to create for them. Even LeBron, DWade and CBosh needed the whole season to gel and play well together.
    After all, if you were in JLin's shoes, won't you appreciate a lot of support when you are dead tired, bruised and have a big target on your back from all NBA stars?

    One positive. I had to chuckle when DWade tried to score against JLin in the last seconds but JLin stole the ball :)

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  32. Knicksnow taking forever to post the postgame interviews...where are they??

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  33. The last time Lin struggled, it was also a back to back, home to road game (NY to Min). He was 1 for 13 on the floor in the second half. He probably didn't get much sleep from the late flight and dealing with all the Linsanity hype on the road. Lin will bounce back like he did after the Minnesota game. Lin may need some help from Fields or Smith if teams begin to pressure him on the backcourt.

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    1. Yes, Lin DESPERATELY needs help from Fields and Smith.

      Here is the problem. Fields is a smart team player who lacks the athleticism and creativity to attack off the dribble. Smith has the athleticism and creativity to attack off the dribble but not the team smarts. That's why both player.are not highly regarded in the NBA.

      I posted a while ago that Phil Jackson believed that a one guard front would be eventually destroyed by team defenses. That is exactly what is happening. Teams are double and triple teaming Lin. They dare players like Fields and Davis to beat them, which they cannot. Then Lin takes tge heat for their failure to produce.

      Too bad we can't fuse Fields and Smith into one player - you'd have Brandon Roy!

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  34. Jeremy has a target on his back now because no NBA player wants to be Linsane. Everyone wants to play their top game against him. It is a tough league. However, if he stays strong with strength from God and push through it all, he will be so good. He said it after the game, he will learn from today's game.

    Godspeed Jeremy!

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    1. I don't think it's the fear of being Linbarrassed as much as it is that none of the other Knicks have proven that they can make teams pay for double and triple teaming Lin.

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  35. Lin has consistently proved that he's a good player worthy of his starting position and the minutes he plays. It's not only the fact that he's dead tired from 12 games in 16 days, but the fact that he's more or less only played 12 real games in his NBA career. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be criticized for the loss - his TO's were atrocious - but every single game is a new experience for him.
    Miami is THE team to beat, the team tied for the best record with more or less the best stats in the whole of the NBA. Lin just began really playing, plus Amare and Melo have only been back together for 3 games now. It's not fair to expect Lin to play at the highest caliber a la Nash or whatever.
    Linsanity may be over for some people, but it'll live on forever here.

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    1. At least Lin didn't go scoreless like Steve Nash did in a regular season game against Jason Kidd about 5 years ago.

      Nash won MVP that ear, I think.

      Even Steve Nash has bad games (6 TOs a few nights ago).

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  36. Having played a little college ball, I know exactly what happened. Usually teams will play tight D on the PG after he crosses into the half court. But in playoff's and big games, you get those super defensive teams that will stick you from the time the ball is in bounded. It's a really easy solution: the whole team has to MOVE w/out the ball. U have to beat it like a full court press. This coach has to let the team bring up the ball NOT just Jeremy. Simple solution: Set up your players so that your whole team can pass the ball into half court, rather than someone dribbling it in. Once the ball is in bound, rather trying to set a pick for your PG, allow one or two tall men (you have to have the bigs stay back so your pg can toss it high) stay close by so that your PG has the option to pass the ball back to you BEFORE he starts his dribble. Jeremy needed either Tyson or Amare to stay close to Jeremy after the in bound so that Jeremy can pass the ball right back to them. The knicks had very little player movements without dribbles. I've seen this now several times when they Play jeremy tight. They need a big man who can catch and pass near jeremy. This way jeremy can pass or start to dribble. It will really open up the floor. Because jeremy can then move w/out the ball and he can make his defender play catch. It tires out their defense big time. Also, when he catches the ball, now he can affectively fake pass b/f he starts the dribble. This will really lower the turn-overs once the players move without the ball and when they catch, have the option to pass w/out dribbling. However, this has to be a team play. This strategy really needs to be drawn out and explained by the coach. D'Antoni needs to designate who stays back when the other team presses like the heat does. Come playoff time, every team will be pressing like this. The coach needs to designate plays to move the ball up the court. It's not up a single player to beat someone off the dribble the entire length of the court. Not only will it exhaust the PG, once the PG starts the dribble, he will be very susceptable to traps. hence the TO's. I'm a bit alarmed by D'antoni's response when it comes to defensive traps. Why does he say "oh jeremy's a smart guy... He'll figure it out" Jeremy's a smart guy, but it's the coach's job to figure it out. Not jeremy's. He's too involved in the game. I've seen Jeremy play the last two weeks and I see what a gem he is. Truly talented. But I can't say the same for D'antoni. He's "Riding him". As if, any time, jeremy will retire or something. The kid needs breaks. Way tooo many minutes. D'Antoni should rest jeremy more frequently and let Melo do his Iso when Jeremy's sitting down. But any time during the game, either Jeremy or melo should be on the floor. But instead, I keep seeing D'Antoni, rest them both at the same time. Anyone can see that Lin is a scorer w/ passing abilities rather than a passer w/ scoring abilities. I'm gonna chalk D Antoni's lack of coaching to the fact they had no practices yet. But if this garbage continues after All star, it will be clear that D'Antoni's not a championship caliber coach.

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    1. Excellent analysis.

      The trouble is that no other player on the Knicks can dribble and pass well enough to be included in a team ballhandling concept.

      I am sure that if Dantoni had a dribbling forward like Steve Nash had in Grant Hill, he would be implementing your plan. But the Knicks got rid of ALL the players that could do that in order to get Melo.and.Chandler.

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    2. KHuang, you're absolutely right. That's true for half court offense. This will take pressure off of the PG. But I'm talking about just bringing up the ball from inbound. When you have the defensive pg on your jockstrap the whole way up, you can't see the floor well. Having your center stay back with the guard is ideal. And the center does not need any ball handling skills. Here's why:
      1. The defending center cannot stay with the Helping center (we'll call him Tyson) because he HAS to defend the basket. So the center will be free of defender.
      2. Tyson is tall, so no guard can really steal the ball from him when he hold the ball high. And he'll be able to see above the defending guards.
      3. Only mission for Tyson is to allow Jeremy to move without the ball. and just hand the ball back. it's not that difficult for centers to do. Believe me it's hell of alot hard to stick w/ a PG who's moving w/out the ball vs, one who's dribbling... no matter how good of a dribble he is.

      I've done this before, where I played guard and basically we could bring the ball up the floor with out a single dribble. It's not that complicated but it cannot be done w/out communication and team coordination which requires a coach making a play rather than letting the players figure it out.
      This really tires out the defense. especially the guards. and if the Defense begins to press with their bigs from the in bounds, then you can really beat them off the dribble for easy transition basketball.
      You'll see the good coaches in college do this under pressure. but it has to be practiced or you will end up w/ 10 sec violation... :(

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    3. Awesome pick, damny.

      You NAILED it, especially on D'Antoini's minimum strategy adjustment and player rotation.

      Tyson actually did that a couple times down the floor for Jeremy, just out of basic basketball instinct I guess. The one player who used to do this well was John Stockton. You'd think John'd never have any problem dribble out of double teams? No, he'd always pass it out just before the double team arrives, AND with the savvy veterans they had, he nearly always could find a player to pass it to. Teams didn't press John like it's their game plan, they pressed him in those winding seconds of the game trying to foul him to stop the clock. While most of the players would just protect the ball and let the defender foul them, John took it another level up and passed it to the open man, who would be free of defender. This way the clock would continue to tick, and on top of that if the team plays it well it'd give the them an extra-man advantage PLUS a mismatch for a quick bucket.

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    4. Putting Tyson or Amare in the backcourt to block defenders and restart Lin's dribble would INCREASE the pressure on Lin, in my uneducated opinion.

      Instead of facing just one or two speedy guards while coming upcourt, Lin would face those two AND a long armed NBA defensive center who has the footspeed to get back into the lane even from the backcourt against a quick guard that breaks the press. This happens all the time in the NBA, the most notable time coming when BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant pressed Kevin Johnson and Charles Barkley right off the court whenever they tried that handoff thing coming upcourt.

      In the NBA, there is no substitute for having 2 guards that can handle the ball. It is a necessity because NBA defenses can only be broken by the best of the best ballhandlers. Even so, you see guys like Deron Williams and Steve Nash getting 6 TOs a game. Teams without those ballhandlers tend to lose or at least play erratically (i.e. Lakers).

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    5. Uh, John Stockton had plenty of help bringing the ball upcourt.

      He always had a ballhandling combo guard like Jeff Hornacek beside him. Plus, Utah had dribbling 3s like Bryon Russell who brought the ball up as often as Hornacek did.

      You couldn't press Stockton in the backcourt because he'd find the open man and that open man would DRIBBLE UPCOURT to start the Malonecentric offenses.

      Lin does not have a Hornacek or even Russell to help him get upcourt.

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    6. I'd say it really depends on how the opponent respond to the game plan, and of course you'd have to have the talent to execute the strategy. Of course it'd be great to have another ball handler, but unless they pair up Baron and Lin in the back court, that's not an option.

      In the play I mentioned with Stockton, the ball didn't have to return to PG's hand before crossing half-court, they just need the connecting players to receive the pass and the ball would continue to be pushed forward.

      Anyway, there are various ways to break a press. Today Miami put a formidable one on Lin and the Knicks paid for it. It puts their weakness to daylight, in a long run it's a very positive lesson.

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    7. But see, Stockton passed to guys that could at least dribble to the 3 point line.

      Lin can't do that. NOBODY on the Knicks can dribble that far except for Baron Davis. Lin doesn't have guys like Shandon Anderson and Chris Morris the way Stockton did in Utah.

      Of course, the Knicks would have waived Lin out of the NBA if they had players.capable of breaking the press. Lin would not be so indispensable to the Knicks if he.weren't the sole ballhandler.

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    8. lets just agree at least at the strategy level, you need some form of help from your teammates. Tactically how you accomplish that might differ. I used to play D1 NY Urban League with one of the earliest college (Long Island U which is also a D1 school) Asian American ballers (who was 5'6" BTW). When the other teams would see the 5'6" Asian dude bringing the ball up, you'd better believe the brothers had that special look in their eyes and would come down the court looking for a rip. Everyone on the team knew it was going to happen, and we knew at least one other person had to be open so he could pass out of it and then we'd just run. And it really made a lot of brothers coming down the court look like fools because we never looked back.

      And if D'Antoni didn't see this, he's got issues as a coach. Why do you take an athletic brother on one on one when you have a team ? If D'Antoni didn't see it, at least his teammates should.

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    9. jlinfan99, you know exactly what i'm talking about. The game plan for many teams that knicks will face will be to shut down Jlin. Because when you shut him down, the knicks become a stagnant 1-one-1 team. That means from start to finish, some fresh legged athletic guy (similar to shumpert) will ride his jockstrap all night. And D'Antoni has to see that coming and figure out ways to wear them down. When bringing up the ball, you'll need to set up someone for outlet pass. In the half court D-fense that means screens for jeremy before he even gets the ball. Tyson and Amare will have to set some brutal screens for Jlin when he's moving w/out the ball. But these things don't always happen by themselves. D'Antoni will really have to set it up. That's why I'm interested to see how they'll play after a week of practice. But it was clear to me that Baron Davis is not as good as Jeremy. And also quite alarming if you're a Heat's fan that NY was only down by 8 at 6min of the 4th. Heat is overrated, and once their defense is handled, their easy transition baskets will disappear. Looking forward to a rematch. :)

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  37. Here is Lin's postgame interview...You can find more postgame interview for today on the same youtube page.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPvlzJbX5Ag

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  38. Champions are made through improvements and learning, not being perfect. Jeremy will learn.

    Additionally, I think it would beneficial for him to work on his explosiveness and vertical during the off-season. I think he's has about 30 - 33 inch vertical?? Would be great if he reached upper 30s. not the easiest task though.

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    1. When Lin is not worn down from playing too many minutes, he is VERY athletic.

      Lin dunks. He runs. He finishes inside. He grabs rebounds in traffic. He gets steals and blocked shots. He beats people to loose balls.

      I've said along that Lin could not do those things if he did not have NBA athleticism. Plus, there are plenty of NBA guards considered explosive who DON'T do those things.

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    2. no I never said he's NOT athletic. I think it would be beneficial for him to be more explosive.

      I took a very educated guess and his running vertical is about 36 inches. he's 6'3, his head hovers somewhere close to the bottom of the backboard which is 9'6 ish. So that's around 36 inch running vertical. If he improves his two feet power vertical or standing vertical, it can benefit him very well on both sides of the court. A common trait that all-time greats share are their explosive athleticism.

      Also, when I played b-ball for my high school, all the starters had above 30-in verticals so explosiveness and athleticism is very important.

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    3. I agree explosiveness and athleticism are very important but are not needed to be a great player. Throughout history there have been great players that did not have this gift.

      But at the same time if it's something that he can work on why not, it will definitely help his game.

      More importantly though, he just needs to get this season under his belt. His game experience will carry him to the next level.

      I see him as becoming a combination of steve nash & allen iverson type of player. The smarts, cour vision, 3 point shooting ability of steve nash and the dribble & drive, layup, & fearlessness of allen iverson.

      He can work on enhancing his offensive arsenal which he's shown a few glimpses of his running floater, jumper, fadeaway. With his size he can work on a post-up move on smaller guards.

      Overall, I'm proud of what he's done so far. He has a very positive attitude which means this loss will only fuel his focus and love for the game, to improve and be where he wants to be.

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    4. Definitely. I'm very proud of him as well..being Asian American myself and having my parents talk crap about Asian athletes all my life. When he got 38 pts against the Lakers, that was probably the best payback since I knew my parents would be watching. I played in Division 1 hs b-ball back in 96 - 97 and like all Asian athletes, my parents made it really hard on me to continue in sports. But I'm 31 now and am really happy to see Jeremy Lin open the doors for future Asian prospects.

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    5. A 36 inch vertical is nearly identical to what Lebron James tested at (37 inches).

      That is a typical vertical jump for NBA starters at the swing positions. Smaller guards generally are expected to test higher, but Lin is a big NBA pg who doesn't need to jump higher.

      If there is an area for Lin to work on, it's general NBA conditioning. In the offseason, Lin will work hard on his conditioning in order to keep playing major minutes.

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    6. There's no way Lin has a 36-inch vertical (even with a running start). He's not a very explosive leaper at all. There's nothing wrong with that (Nash and Payton weren't, either).

      What's more concerning to me is that his usually good lateral quickness hasn't been there. Last season with the Warriors, he was shutting down guys like Ty Lawson and now he's letting slugs like Calderon and Chalmers (relative to Lawson) get past him.

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    7. Yeah, and Lin wasn't playing 40+ minutes.and being attacked by triple teams either.

      Lin is a person. Even in video games, players get fatigued. Give him rest and good teammates and his defense will roar right back.

      No NBA athlete could do any better than Lin is if they had to switch places with Lin.

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    8. I know what you mean TVN, 36 inch verticals are not very common at all. I giving him the benefit of the doubt and was guessing by how much head space he reached in accordance to the backboard.

      I googled his standing reach: 8'2.
      http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jeremy-Lin-5802/

      You need about 10'10 to dunk comfortable. Hence 8'2 to 10'10 is 32 inch. So maybe you're right, his running vertical is closer to 30 - 32. That was my gut feeling in the very beginning without giving him any benefit of the doubt because his vertical explosion isn't all that good.

      Our coaches use to make us sprint hills, frog jumps, and scissor jumps for vertical explosions and hence in my original post, I was saying it would be a good idea for him to increase his vertical to the upper 30s. Also, Lebron did a lot of explosive exercise due to his football background.

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  39. All I have to say is because of all the hype his game is being dissected and criticized by some people as if he's already Micheal Jordan.

    Any other player this would just be another player who had a bad game. I blame this on the media and the people who created Linsanity.

    JLin is a legitimate upcoming NBA star. But people are expecting too much out of him just because he's had amazing games.

    Look at John Wall's game log during his rookie season. He had 6-9 turnover on every other game. He also had many bad games where he had 2-10 FG 3-14 FG. John Wall didn't have a shortened NBA season so he had time to rest.

    Russel Westbrook shot poorly in his rookie season. He had a 1-10 FG game against the Pacers back in 2008-2009 season. He had games where he had 7 assists and 5 turnovers.

    Mario Chalmers had a 7 assist and 7 turnover game in his rookie season. He also had a 1-11 FG game against orlando magic in his rookie season.

    Ricky Rubio this season has a 1-11 game against the clippers and just tonight he had a 6 assist and 6 turnover game against the Utah Jazz.

    What I'm trying to say is it's because of the Linsanity hype that people are dissecting his game so much. So on night he plays poorly it's like as if he's incapable of having really bad games.

    People need to chill out. Because everyone in their rookie / sophmore year or the first time they became starting PG's all went through the same thing before they became great or legendary point guards of the league.

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    1. I forgot to add. CP3 rookie season had a 1-11FG night against memphis. He also had a 5 assist & 5 turnover against dallas mavericks.

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    2. Unfortunately, Lin's already had three 8 turnover games, two 7 turnover games, and one 9 turnover game. That's astounding.

      You think teams don't notice that? Early on, teams backed off him, thinking he couldn't shoot, but now the book is to swipe at him and pressure him. Like I said, he's going to turn it over some because he's aggressive (other than vs. Miami, unfortunately), but he's got to limit his turnovers to being agressive. The careless ones where he gets picked in the backcourt, dribbles it of his foot, has the ball ripped away from him 25 feet away from the basket, etc. need to stop.

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    3. What's even more astounding is that Lin's.teammates aren't bailing him out the way Chicago bails out Drose (usually doesn't even bring the ball upcourt) or how Boston bails out Rondo (left unguarded to shoot because it's better than letting Garnett or Pierce or Allen shoot).

      I would ask you to start criticizing the other Knicks' inability to help Lin advance the ball, but you're so lost in your hatred that Lin is the only player you see on the court.

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  40. And, the backlash has begun. I suppose it was inevitable considering the wave of unprecedented hype and popularity. People calling him out, already? Really? Look, Jeremy had a rough night. Bad game. Happens to the best of them. He looks burnt out and clearly had no real idea how to handle a Miami team that seemed set up to specifically target him. There’s no way to learn to deal with that except through experience. A baptism of fire if you will. But he’s gotten his lesson under his belt, he won’t be so raw against them the next time. Bet on it. He needs some rest, he needs to regroup. It's insanity around him now and dude has barely caught his breath. How he deals with it all is incredible to me. But it’s rag on Jeremy time I guess. Like he said, you can fall as fast you rise. I do wish though that people would remember what this kid has done in 11 games. He single handedly made the Knicks relevant again, dragged them from their pitiful record this year and now they’re in the conversation for the play-offs. He did that. JLin is special and special just doesn't go away in one night.

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  41. I didn't see the actual game though I followed via my phone and saw some of the highlights. For anyone who is disappointed that Jeremy Lin played poorly tonight needs to take a step back and view the big picture. He's played some of the lower level teams and done well. He's played against some playoff contenders (Lakers / Mavs) and did well. But tonight he faced a team that is hungry and definitely championship contenders.

    The Heat were in the Finals last year and are used to being in the spotlight. When you've been in the playoffs / championships, you are used to playing at a high intensity level. It was obvious Jeremy and Amare were trying hard but they just were not used to playing at this level. This is true at almost any level of basketball. If you were a good JV player in high school, it didn't mean that you would be a good varsity player immediately. It takes time to acclimate to the speed and intensity at the next level.

    The good news? Remember that Jeremy Lin wasn't a starter at Harvard until his sophomore year. While he had a decent sophomore season, it wasn't until the junior season when he broke out a bit.

    Learning on the job is tough but I'm sure Jeremy prefers having a "bad game" than not playing at all.

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  42. i think having a bad game against the heat isnt a big deal. I watched the game, they definately had the target on jlin. With that said, he's gotta protect the ball more especially just dribbling it up the back court. Biggest problem with the knicks is that their two superstars are no match against the Heat's superstars. it was evident Lebron, Wade and Bosh are much better than Amaare and Carmelo.

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  43. Y'all haters are EFFING FUNNY. To Start off....

    "Oh he was only super amazing for what 10 games or whatever... it's too small a sample."


    But then he's bad for ONE GAME.... a game against the best team in the league and all of a sudden he sucks? He's been "exposed" WTF? Y'all are effing funny.

    Not to mention how

    1) drained/tired Jeremy is @ max minutes and max usage %
    2) THE ENTIRE KNICKS TEAM SUCKED
    3)While Jeremy will continue to work on passing out of double/triple teams.... the open man needs to come to the ball some to give him an outlet.
    4) Jeremys never been in this situation before, people aren't moving well without the ball or helping him dribble.
    5) Mario Chalmers plays 15? 20? minutes a game less than Lin.
    6) EXPOSED??? AFTER ONE GAME? BUT NOT GREAT AFTER 10 GAMES?



    And that ass Stephen A Smith? Gawd. People are overly sensitive, Asians are being too sensitive cuz we want the same respect Black people get? THE GUYS GOT A FULL DECK OF RACE CARDS.

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    1. Exactly. Not good enough after 11 CONSISTENT games but a fraud after one bad one. It's bizarre.

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    2. First off, I'm not a "hater," like some here are trying to say. I've been following Lin since his JR year in HS at Paly. I'm a fellow Asian-American from the Bay and I want nothing more than for him to be a great success. And I'm sure he will make adjustments, but he's had weaknesses that have need to be ironed out. Let's face it, he did get "exposed". I knew Miami was going to apply pressure on him with hound-dogs like Chalmers and Cole. Miami had a great plan against him and he reacted poorly. He went passive, timid, and became a non-factor, which is exactly what their objective was. Hopefully, he shakes this off, but he's got to make adjustments and make them quickly.

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    3. Who is this guy out when he's not one of the haters I address? Oh yeah cuz maybe while he denies he is a hater..... he hides behind the same fragmented scope they use.

      Many of those in the closet do.

      By using the term expose people imply he is a fraud. He has been deceiving us all. He has tricked the world and he has been caught via one game and must be crucified now.


      No one exposed ANYTHING in that game. Everyone knew about those exact weaknesses already. Jeremy never tried to hide any of his fault with talk. He has laid out the same type of game style during every game of the run. A run where he torched people for xx games but this one game means he is terrible again apparently.



      Without even getting too deep in to it. I repeat, people think a ten game sample is too small but a one game sample is enough to say he sucks. Maybe this guy is able to admit he's still good but the true haters are using the same arguments and saying he sucks real talk.

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    4. Lin does not "suck", but the NBA can be an unforgiving league, especially to young players. I'm sure he'll bounce back, but there's no need to get bent out of shape over people that express some concerns.

      Just because some people express a different opinion, doesn't mean they are a "hater."

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    5. YES IT DOES mean you are a hater.

      You pin all the blame of Lin's turnovers on Lin. You refuse to acknowledge that Lin's teammates might be contributing to the problem. Your insistence on blaming other people's struggles on one guy makes you a HATER.

      Lin is an undrafted D league waiver player who doesn't even earn $1 million. He is playing with guys who were drafted high and outearn him many times over. So you think it's OK for those guys to play badly and Lin is the only one at fault? SHAME ON YOU.

      Lin fans like me cheer him on because he cleans up after the messes of players who are supposed to be better than him. Little waiver wire Lin gets far more leeway than max contract Stoudemire who has been terrible all season.

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    6. Lin really sucks in certain areas of his game and he does certain things very well. Well above average, like driving hard to the right, and running the pick and roll. However, there are some things which he is very below average in. For example, bringing the ball up the court, and protecting the basketball.
      With someone who has very good fundamentals he doesn't do the basics very well. It is quite surprising, and I think that has been the reason why he sat on the bench and in the D-League for so long. Coaches knew about his strength, but they also knew his weaknesses are very basic. It wasnt until the first Nets game did D'Antoni realize that his strenghts greatly overshadows his weaknesses. But in this Heats game all of JLin's weaknesses came through. JLin has to go back and work on his dribbling, and really improve his hand strength and protect that basketball with both hands driving into the lane.

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    7. We talkin' about PRACTICE.

      NBA teams have hardly been able to practice. Lin needs practice more than any other player in the NBA.

      My gut instinct is that a lot of the turnovers will be solved simply by the Knicks running to open spaces when a double comes. That's what they did when Gallinari (a superb ballhandler) and Felton were still on the team.

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    8. No, i actually dont feel like Jlin's problem can be solved by team practice. Jlin knows D'Antoni's system, and the knicks dont actually run any plays. It is all about the PG making the reads depending on how the defense plays the pick and roll. JLin has shown he can do that very well. His problems are dribbling and protecting the basketball when driving in the lanes. I think he will get better with this off-season. Maybe he spent too much time on his 3-pointer instead of working on his dribbling. And constantly getting stripped of the ball in the lane, partially is because he isnt getting any calls but it is also because he isnt protecting the ball with both hands. It's like the running back not tucking the ball away. It is one of the very basic fundamentals.

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