Monday, January 23, 2012

Knicks @ Bobcats 4pm (PST)

With Josh Harrelson injured and Baron Davis not quite ready, Jeremy (straight back from dominating the  NBDL) should be suited up against the Bobcats Tuesday night. Once Baron comes back, then either JLin or Jerome Jordan will likely by inactive unless there is an injury. Also, at some point soon (not sure when), the NBA will go back to the 12 man active roster, instead of 13.

43 comments:

  1. It doesn't matter than Lin had a career game in NBDL. Be prepared for a DNP (unless there's a 20 pt blowout).

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  2. People in the nbdl play limited defense and the game is quicker. Jeremy lin needs to have more opportunity to play at the nba level so he can adjust to the game. Let him play! Even if it's only 5 minutes a game

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  3. Please say "Yes" to http://www.knicksnow/tipoff/26 to vote for him.

    JLin needs more play time.

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    1. done. and i've posted. do you think knicks care about these fan-generated polls?

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    2. It's on their official site. I believe that more or less, somebody will notice it.

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  4. I disagree that d-league plays limited defense. By my observation, they are just as, if not more, aggressive. Every open shot is contested, especially inside the key. I see a lot of players just throwing their bodies at the guy with the ball. Having said that, I would say most NBA defenders are faster and jump higher for rebounds and blocking shots. If anything, because of d-league's aggressive defensive style, I would say players are more prone to injuries in this league.

    I would also say that their games are higher scoring (not quicker) because players are more aggressive and attack the basket more often and with more reckless abandon. I do not think the higher scoring games are due to lack of defense, but due to players with a chip on their shoulders trying to prove that they are NBA worthy. The Erie team (without Lin) did not even break 90 in their last game.

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  5. I don't think that Baron Davis can turn around the Knicks. He is a good player, but his shoot first style is exactly what the Knicks don't need. Plus, he is a questionable defender and likely will have problems with conditioning and age.
    If the Knicks don't play/keep Jeremy Lin, there are other guys thay they should target. I find it interesting that the Knicks want Dwight Howard when it's actually his PG Jameer Nelson who could really help. Jameer Nelson is a nice team first point guard who does not do anything spectacular. He wouldn't solve the Knicks problems the way Lin can, but Lin mught not play no matter how great he plays in practice.
    Lin is exactly the player the Knicks need to win again. From a basketball standpoint, the Knicks need to start him at PG. I firmly believe that Lin will outperform all of the Knick fuards if he is allowed on the court.

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  6. It's all talk about how well/bad he will play. He needs PT. D'Antoni please play him.

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  7. Side note: Jeremy Lin is not the only player whose appearance has limited his NBA opportunity.

    Years ago, the Bobcats signed a little known player named Walter Herrmann out of Spain where he had been the MVP. Herrmann is an Argentinian national team player who played alongside Luis Scola and Manu Ginobili. The Bobcats signed him as a free agent the same year they drafted Adam Morrison #3.
    The Bobcats sat Herrmann all year long. But in the spring of that season, several Bobcats forwards went down with injuries and the Bobcats were forced to play him. Herrmann proceeded to tear up the NBA, flying around as if he were Dr J and scoring 20+ on several occasions. Plus the Bobcats won more with him than without him. Herrmann was even named Rookie of the Month and was a serious contender for Player of the Month honors. Then the Bobcats sat him, traded him to Detroit where he never got a chance, and now Herrmann is playing in Argentina.
    I bring up Walter Herrmann because he was a handsome tall (listed at 6'9" but was probably 6'7") guy that looked like Thor out of the old Marvel comic books. The Pistons even used him as a calendar model or something like that. What irked me is that the guy had hands as big as Dr Js and a game that was eerily similar with high flying dunks and finger rolls. Herrmann played at an All Star level for the Bobcats and was easily their most productive forward over Gerald Wallace, Emeka Okafor, and fellow rookie Morrison.
    At this point, Herrmann is too old to play in the NBA. Still, I recommend that Herrmann be watched on youtube. He flies around with those ball palming layups as if he were playing for the Carolina Cougars of the old ABA.
    It always enraged me that Walter Herrmann could not stick in the NBA because of his looks. The Bobcats (run by the inept Michael Jordan who oddly was not a complete GM failure in Washington) should have let Herrmann play his way onto the All Star team and thwn marketed the heck out of him. If they did that, they wouldn't be the financial and basketball mess they are right now.
    Jeremy Lin is exactly what the NBA needs: a SUPER producer who is extremely marketable to a global audience. Let's hope that the dumb NBA scouts who got rid of Herrmann won't do the same with Lin.

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    1. You are exactly right. The problem with the NBA is that the higher ups are looking for a "specific look". You know.. you have to dunk a certain way, your motions have to look a certain way, your ball handling has to look a certain way... It's not even about how good you are against your peers. The NBA wants players to dunk like Dwayne Wade, or shoot a fadeaway like Kobe Bryant, or handle the ball like Jason Kidd. Players like Herrmann and JLin are fundamentally great players who can literally go one on one with the best, but they have motions that don't look as pretty. Herrnmann had that goofy finger roll, and Jeremy perhaps looks too tense out there, compared to a 'Melo who looks like hes high and can dunk easily.

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    2. I agree. Looks can be deceiving.
      Many years ago, the Syracuse Orangemen had a player who stood out on the courr because of his instinctive and unstoppable scoring. His name was Lawrence Moten, he of the knee high socks and effortless scoring. I thought he was the second coming of George Gervin, as he had the same game but was a tiny bit shorter.
      My interest in Jeremy Lin led me to check up on Moten. It turns out that he is STILL Syracuse's all time leading scorer. Moten was a 2nd round draft pick but never got a chance. He was almost emaciated looking in college, but he was NBA strong to be able to score points so effortlessly in college basketball's most physical conference.
      Jeremy Lin has come farther in the NBA than Moten has. I still believe that Moten could have become a 20 ppg scorer in the NBA had teams simply accepted his spindly looking body and taken the massive production that came.with it.

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  8. Based on D'Antoni's interview, www.knicksnow, JL is brought back to participate in practice. I guess in a 4 games road trip players get hurt or need rest. And D'Antoni is going to bring B Davis back to form by giving B Davis small pockets of meaningful minutes, so even less time and opportunity for JL. Unless D'Antoni is inspired suddenly or forced to an unexpected situation, JL is unlikely to play meaningful minutes.
    Nevertheless, let's remain hopeful for PT and good plays. Go Jeremy!

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  9. It's not that d-leaguers don't play or try hard on defense, it's just that d-leaguers simply aren't as good/talented as NBA players. The guards aren't as quick as NBA, so Lin can drive past them at will. Once Lin gets past his defender, the interior defenders aren't as good as NBA either, so he can easily finish.

    Lin's proven that he is above DL and summer league talent level. The NBA is a significantly higher level, and Lin just needs more meaningful PT to adjust to it, he has the talent and work ethic.

    Look at Klay Thompson, he was awful at the beginning of the season, shooting 27% in December. He was in way over his head. But the coach kept giving him minutes, and now he's shooting 47% in January.

    How many non-garbage time minutes has Lin gotten in the NBA? less than 100 minutes?

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  10. Lin in for garbage time. Looks like he's starting to develop a flow. THe problem isn't the competition, its more of the spotlight as there are millions of people watching. That creates more axiety. Lin can easily average a double-double if given at least 20 minutes a game.

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  11. Lin with some pretty decent numbers in garbage time. Hey @Anonymous, post the video!

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  12. Another solid outing for JLin17. Really padded the stat sheet and looked out there, albeit in garbage time.

    8 PTS, 4 ASTS, 2 REBS and 1 BLK. Had a nice ankle breaker going left that got the Knicks bench up and cheering. He still needs to be careful playing defense. The refs won't give him any slack and he's picking up a lot of fouls.

    http://www.dopewar.com

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    1. I noticed that the Knicks roster were highly supportive of Jeremy. As he is still developing, I noticed a few players giving him pointers, perhaps on how to be more effective.

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  13. Dang!!!!!!!!!!!! My boy Lin got game!!!!!! If he can only play more minutes. He has a very high IQ knowing where his players are n have a good vision of were his open teamate are...drive kickout........bang open 3pts!!!!!! Smart player indeed....on the last drive almost broke someone ankles...hahahahah..nice game Lin in that short amount of time....

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  14. He completely went from being lost on the court to comfortable and breaking ankles, taking shots in a matter of minutes. Hopefully this earns him a little more PT

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  15. we need this video ASAP!! Lin breakin' ankles so hard.

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  16. Post video of last few minutes of the game please.

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    1. yeeeeeeeeeeeaa! Excitinggg .-.

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    2. Before everyone gets their hopes up, it wasn't the greatest performance. He looked shaky in the beginning.. There's still a lot more adjustments needed. A lot of it just requires getting more playing time and just feeling more comfortable.

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    3. Statistically it was impressive, but i agree with Nemo. Lin's drives seemed out of control at times, and he falls into the trap of jumping whilst passing. Once he makes a consistent rotation, scouting reports are going to expose his weaknesses in his aggressiveness, meaning he's going to need his jumpshot as a go to scoring move. Still a great game for Lin and hopefully the Knicks can trust him with some meaningful minutes!

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    4. If you all remember Kobe's first few years in the NBA, he was similar.. out of control, shaky, overconfident, made dumb plays, sometimes looked silly out there. But like hugh states, he needs to develop a consistent jumpshot in order to open up the lane for his drives. I think he can do that as long as he is given the opportunity.

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  17. Lin looked pretty good.

    At first, it looked like he was forcing his drive and lost ball on one drive to the left.

    But it looks like Knicks were running real offensive plays and he sparkled (Bobcats on floor didn't look they were totally engaged and definitely not playing team ball, kind of looked more like pick up ball defense), driving and dishing to set up other players for outside shots or pull up jumpers or other cuts to the basket. Plus he started to speed up tempo, pushing ball, and threw ball ahead of Bobcats once for Balkman to catch and then take step or two for the slam.

    At end of game, he walked by Anthony but didn't see if he got good game tap (little worried that Melo is the Monta of team and may have favorites, not Lin, among Bibby or others). From what I've seen, Chandler seems to like him and I think Stat also appreciates how he can open up pick and roll.

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    1. Joe, thanks for bringing up that Melo-Jeremy incident. But did you see Melo's performance tonight? He had 1 point in 30 minutes played! was 0-7 FG, 0-2 3FG, and 1-2 FT. Jeremy even scored more than Melo.... THat probably explains why Melo wasnt in any mood to show any affection towards his teammates.

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    2. I am not even sure if there a coolness to their interaction or not.

      Have to wait for someone to post video of his playing time tonight and review that end of game footage.

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    3. I wouldn't be surprised. Like everything in life, politics will always be played and in this case, Melo has to "play the role" that he's above a bench player.

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    4. when jlin got fouled the 2nd time after doing the nice move on higgins.. if you were watching the msg broadcast, it showed the knicks bench & you can hear melo shout "jlin!" & then proceed to yell in excitement, you saw baron, iman, bibby, tyson all go up as well with smilea & shouting too

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    5. (reposting this here)

      To "Joe" and "Nemo Network Media" badmouthing Melo for not liking Lin, I just have to LOL!.

      when Lin crossed over and drove to the lane with about a minute remaining in the game, the crowd was roaring along with the Knicks starting 5. (thanks feltball for the nbaspot link to view the entire 4th quarter).

      also, when Lin hit the midrange jumper with 4:26 remaining, Melo was on the bench pumping his fist in the air with approval.

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  18. Jeremy updated his facebook:

    Jeremy Lin
    Good to get a win! About to (try to) beast tyson, landry and jerome in 4 player ipad monopoly on this flight to cleveland lol

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  19. 4 assists in 5 minutes? That's almost top of the team in the shortest time. 8 points, 2 rebounds, a bs too?? Dam I'm impressed. I think JLin the way he's playing may get some meaningful minutes in the next game or two.

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  20. Having a consistent jumpshot is not going to open lanes for him. He can beat his man off the dribble every time however he will most not likely be able to get by the help defense that easily when playing against starters or even 1st backups.

    The problem is he always pulls the ball up and takes his steps once he beats his man. He was lucky this game where there were always someone to dish out to.

    However there will not always be a man to dish to when he plays a better defensive team. He needs to be more careful with his selection in regards to pulling up or keeping the dribble.

    He very rarely keeps his dribble once he beats his man, which is what he needs to work on as so he can change the tempo up and down (not just up). He's aggression is great but he will get stuck in the air a lot against the better defenders.

    What he's done so far is great: The drive and dish or just plainly finding someone open on the swing. However it's extremely important for a PG to be able to penetrate and keep his dribble.

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  21. Thanks for the Herrmann recognition, Nemo. I am as big a fan of Herrmann as I am of Lin, and there have been a few other super producer players whose games I have liked.

    I said that Jeremy Lin was a super producer in low minutes. This game is typical of his output dating back to his Golden State preseason games. Though this kind of production is spectacular by NBA standards, it is just another day at work for Mr Consistency Jeremy Lin.

    It is important for us well wishers not to overanalyze Lin's weaknesses. Lin is a net positive player who hustles and has a nonstop motor. Because Jeremy Lin is a game changing player who forces the action, he occasionally will make mistakes. However, Lin always tries to make up for those mistakes especially on defense. Overall, Lin usually does more good than harm.

    Lin is not an athletically limited player like Chris Duhon who does not have the athleticism to be anything more than a no risk error free player. Don't make the mistake of assuming that Lin should be nothing more than a faceless role player who plays it safe enough for his team to lose. They pulled that role player garbage with Jason "White Chocolate" Williams and turned one of the smartest and most creative point guards ever to play the game into Howard Eisley (no scoring, no defense, no risk, no winning).

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  22. Found the Knicks vs Bobcats video but you have to download the whole 4th quarter.

    http://nbaspot.com/viewtopic.php?t=25397&p=35974

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  23. To "Joe" and "Nemo Network Media" badmouthing Melo for not liking Lin, I just have to LOL!.

    when Lin crossed over and drove to the lane with about a minute remaining in the game, the crowd was roaring along with the Knicks starting 5. (thanks feltball for the nbaspot link to view the entire 4th quarter).

    also, when Lin hit the midrange jumper with 4:26 remaining, Melo was on the bench pumping his fist in the air with approval.

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    1. LOL it's funny how people's imaginations can take things WAY out of context.

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    2. what was taken out of context? i simply refuted your erroneous claim that melo didn't give lin props for his good play. in fact, i gave you two specific examples of melo openly cheering and yelling for lin.

      now, care to come up with another failed argument since you don't have the guts to acknowledge you were wrong? :)

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  24. thanks to aman2k for this upload

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8PTLqq0vr84#!

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  26. LOL, did anyone else notice this after JLin's nice crossover?

    http://qikr.co/files/pics/f/fisthand46172.jpg

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