Jeremy played pretty well in his 4 minutes, going against the 8th pick in this years draft, Brandon Knight. Also, I thought that was a pretty dirty foul by Wilkins.
Nice recovery. 4pts, some good drives and the TO was on a decent assist "attempt" not poor dribbling.
Even if Lin's inactive, I prefer that he stay on the Knicks roster for now. Bibby and Baron's aging bodies could give out at any time, and I'm sure D'Antoni is at least smart enough to judge JL based on his practices more than his 2-minute garbage time stints. So if JL keeps working hard, who knows?
Ach! I really wish he could have stuck with the McHale and the Rockets.
jeremy lin has been having problems protecting the ball and defending speedy point guards. D'antoni had him play as a shooting guard which seemed to work out better he still contributed but did not bring the ball up court or initiate the offense jeremy is a little short for a 2 and will need to be a better perimeter shooter but this may be a better fit for jeremy.
lin had wilkins beat and his team was losing by 20+ points.rather than give jeremy an easy lay up i expect a foul.
We've all watched Jeremy play enough that he needs a few things for improvement. I still notice his drives are on a straight line. He just gets around people with a hard drive (usually to the right) instead a lot of fancy dribbling. He also doesn't have a spin dribble or move so that leads to charges sometime. Also, when Jeremy drives, he doesn't really pull up for his jumper. Jeremy may practice different but in the game, he's usually heads down.
Side note about the video: Did the Detroit announcer (I'm assuming it was Detroit's announcer) that said: "Jeremy Lin, the NBA's first player of Chinese descent."
Really? Then what about Wang Zhi-Zhi (who was first), Bateer, Yao Ming and Yi Jianlian? I guess announcers don't know what to say about the bench players.
Knicks rumored to be looking at signing Keith Bogans, who started all 82 games last season with the Bulls. If they do sign him, Lin would be the obvious choice to get cut.
If he can develops a consistent pull up jumper, he would be that much more effective on offense. That turn over he had was because he penetrated too deep and got no where to go. He needs to learn to turn and back out instead of forcing a pass through heavy traffic, works sometime but it's turn over prone; coaches always tell guards not to over penetrate, unless you can do what Nash can. JLin has a tendency of over penetrate, which is also his strength; looks bad if he turns it over though. Right now, he can't afford to turn over the ball.
A lot of people are comparing Lin to John Starks. Having watched John Starks come from nowhere onto the Knicks, I agree. Though Starks was more of a scorer and Lin is more of a distributor, they have a lot in common. Both can finish at the rim, are great position defenders, can attack off the dribble, never take a play off, are good but nor great jump shooters, and help the team win. John Starks needed to work on his long range shooting. Lin needs to work on his ballhandling. If Lin can develop a spin dribble off either hand, he would be a solid NBA backup guard who could start for various teams. I believe that Lin can contribute to any team he plays for, provided he gets that spin dribble.
coach41 said... "We've all watched Jeremy play enough that he needs a few things for improvement. I still notice his drives are on a straight line. He just gets around people with a hard drive (usually to the right) instead a lot of fancy dribbling. He also doesn't have a spin dribble or move so that leads to charges sometime. Also, when Jeremy drives, he doesn't really pull up for his jumper. Jeremy may practice different but in the game, he's usually heads down."
I agree, he doesn't have a lot of tools off the dribble. He has a crossover dribble that can shake most guards (Most but not all), and he can use the hesitation move to get into the lane. And that's about it.
I'd like to see him develop a spin dribble, ala Deron Williams. Even a simple head fake can fool defenders into jumping up for a block.
But most importantly he needs to develop a consistent pullup jump shot like Nash. That's what keeps defenses on their toes. Keep in mind that last year, Lin didn't even have a set jumpshot last year. It's going to take some time before he can knock down a pullup jumper.
As for ball handling, that's going to take some playing experience, something that he's not getting with the Knicks.
1. He's not trying to impress coaches by looking to score on every possession. Those turnovers in Sacramento were the result of him going out of his comfort zone to prove he can break down the defense and score by himself.
2. He's on the floor with other offensive threats, namely Shumpert, who can draw the defense away, so he has more space to drive the lane.
Lin played solid defense on Brandon Knight. He had some trouble getting around the double pick. He also should not have left his man open in order to help out another player. Knight hit a 3-pointer when Lin left him to help out on a mismatch. And again when Lin was switched to guard a post player, leaving Knight an open cut to the lane for the give and go layup. However, that was also Reynaldo Balkman's fault for coming over to help.
I am from Phx, so I know how Mike DAntoni actually values defense very highly. The Suns with Nash have always won with defense, though it doesn't seem that way to most basketball observers. Dantoni is very conscious of his reputation as a no defense coach. As a result, Dantoni has always taken great pains to play only guys who aren't utter liabilities on defense. He had Shawn Marion flying all over the court and pressed the Suns to get Shaq to stop guys like Al Jefferson who was a 30-20 man against the Suns. Based on what I saw of Dantoni in Phx as far as defense goes, it doesn't surprise me that he's playing Jeremy Lin who is a rugged defender. In the NBA, it's defense that gets guys onto the court. A coach will often live with a guy's mistakes if the defense is there. And that's why I think Jeremy Lin will continue to get playing time, albeit in smll quantiies until he learns how to run an NBA offense.
D'Antoni is as much a defensive minded coach as Nelson was! When your team is centered on Stat and Melo, you want to out score other teams, not holding the other team under 90 points. Of course every coach wants their team to play great defense, but NY just don't have the horses to do it night in and night out, that's why they went out and got Chandler hoping to cover some the defensive deficiency created by their star players who will be on the floor when the game matters. Shumpert is an upgrade on D but when you add Bibby and latter Baron Davis, it's a wash.
Having said all that, I agree that JLin will add to their defense with his energy and help defense. But I don't think he will get enough minutes, if at all, to make any difference. And when he's on the floor, he has to take care of the ball and not turn it over, then if he consistently D up and score a few points here and there, he has a chance to stick providing Knicks see value in developing him.
Khuang clearly you are on an ego trip right now. How was what I said not "courteous?" Mike Dantoni does not emphasize defense at all nor has he ever. You also said "he's playing Jeremy Lin." Are you kidding me right now? You also said "in the NBA, it's defense that gets guys onto the court." Either your favorite players are Chuck Hayes and Bruce Bowen or you are just being plain dumb. I also can't believe you consider garbage time "playing time."
Don't tell me to be courteous when you are clearly misinformed about what goes on in the NBA.
Haha it's not my fault my name comes out like this. AIM doesn't recognize the website so it does that. And I'm not trolling, I just strongly disagree with Khuang's posts. I am sure you do too. "D'Antoni is as much a defensive minded coach as Nelson was!" Now that's clear sarcasm.
And good for Yi, hopefully he does well with Dallas.
It looks like Yi got a technical complaining to the ref of what should've been an and1. I think we got a new Yi on our hands ladies and gentlemen! For the better. That meanness will definitely help in the NBA.
Yi's meanness will also help in in the Chinese basketball league should he not stick with the Mavs. On the other hand, meanness would not be so good for Yi. The Chinese basketball league has a real problem with fighting, as seen by the Georgetown game this summer.
Random guy, you know who you are. I just tell it like I see it. D'Antoni was out of Phoenix because he didn't like what Kerr asked of him - adjust his style and put more emphasis on defense. No argument there.
lka789 are you talking to me or Khuang? Because I absolutely agree with you about D'Antoni. It's a well known fact that Mike is not a huge advocate of defense.
I saw a play on youtube, a FIBA match where he slammed it in a european center's face, he has this look in him face like, you can't freaking stop me bitch, as he back tracks. He definitely has the attitude to play in the league. He just have to string some good outings together and feel more comfortable.
The NBA is not a league where anybody can just dribble to the basket and slam dunk in their face. Either you have to be strong enough to bully your way in, or fast enough to cut to the basket. Yi hasn't been either one. He's been a jump shooter, and just an average shooter at that.
Hopefully he can develop a post up game and become stronger.
Dantoni is famous for his offense, but he puts attention on defense too. Tyson Chandler was brought in to provide post defense. Iman Shumpert was drafted because of his defense, as were Toney Douglas and Landry Fields. Now Lin has been picked up. I don't see any fault in Dantoni trying to put defensive players on the court alongside his offense minded ones. Besides, Dantoni had been scouting Jeremy Lin since Lin's Harvard days. We should be commending Dantoni, not trashing him!
Nice recovery. 4pts, some good drives and the TO was on a decent assist "attempt" not poor dribbling.
ReplyDeleteEven if Lin's inactive, I prefer that he stay on the Knicks roster for now. Bibby and Baron's aging bodies could give out at any time, and I'm sure D'Antoni is at least smart enough to judge JL based on his practices more than his 2-minute garbage time stints. So if JL keeps working hard, who knows?
Ach! I really wish he could have stuck with the McHale and the Rockets.
jeremy lin has been having problems protecting the ball and defending speedy point guards.
ReplyDeleteD'antoni had him play as a shooting guard which seemed to work out better he still contributed but did not bring the ball up court or initiate the offense
jeremy is a little short for a 2 and will need to be a better perimeter shooter but this may be a better fit for jeremy.
lin had wilkins beat and his team was losing by 20+ points.rather than give jeremy an easy lay up i expect a foul.
We've all watched Jeremy play enough that he needs a few things for improvement. I still notice his drives are on a straight line. He just gets around people with a hard drive (usually to the right) instead a lot of fancy dribbling. He also doesn't have a spin dribble or move so that leads to charges sometime. Also, when Jeremy drives, he doesn't really pull up for his jumper. Jeremy may practice different but in the game, he's usually heads down.
ReplyDeleteSide note about the video: Did the Detroit announcer (I'm assuming it was Detroit's announcer) that said: "Jeremy Lin, the NBA's first player of Chinese descent."
ReplyDeleteReally? Then what about Wang Zhi-Zhi (who was first), Bateer, Yao Ming and Yi Jianlian? I guess announcers don't know what to say about the bench players.
Knicks rumored to be looking at signing Keith Bogans, who started all 82 games last season with the Bulls. If they do sign him, Lin would be the obvious choice to get cut.
ReplyDeleteBogan is a shooting guard......which be interesting since the Knicks need a PG.
ReplyDeleteIf he can develops a consistent pull up jumper, he would be that much more effective on offense. That turn over he had was because he penetrated too deep and got no where to go. He needs to learn to turn and back out instead of forcing a pass through heavy traffic, works sometime but it's turn over prone; coaches always tell guards not to over penetrate, unless you can do what Nash can. JLin has a tendency of over penetrate, which is also his strength; looks bad if he turns it over though. Right now, he can't afford to turn over the ball.
ReplyDeleteA lot of people are comparing Lin to John Starks.
ReplyDeleteHaving watched John Starks come from nowhere onto the Knicks, I agree. Though Starks was more of a scorer and Lin is more of a distributor, they have a lot in common. Both can finish at the rim, are great position defenders, can attack off the dribble, never take a play off, are good but nor great jump shooters, and help the team win.
John Starks needed to work on his long range shooting. Lin needs to work on his ballhandling. If Lin can develop a spin dribble off either hand, he would be a solid NBA backup guard who could start for various teams.
I believe that Lin can contribute to any team he plays for, provided he gets that spin dribble.
http://shaquiechan.com/2012/01/08/lin-sanity-explaining-the-obsession-with-jeremy-lin/
ReplyDeleteKnicks are looking to sign Keith Bogans, waive Jeremy Lin. It seems the coach D'Antoni is perfectly comfortable using shooting guards as a PG.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.knicks101.com/2012/01/08/could-the-new-york-knicks-add-keith-bogans-and-possibly-make-some-other-roster-moves-in-the-future/
Don't forget that the Knicks will have Baron Davis back in a few weeks...
ReplyDeletecoach41 said...
ReplyDelete"We've all watched Jeremy play enough that he needs a few things for improvement. I still notice his drives are on a straight line. He just gets around people with a hard drive (usually to the right) instead a lot of fancy dribbling. He also doesn't have a spin dribble or move so that leads to charges sometime. Also, when Jeremy drives, he doesn't really pull up for his jumper. Jeremy may practice different but in the game, he's usually heads down."
I agree, he doesn't have a lot of tools off the dribble. He has a crossover dribble that can shake most guards (Most but not all), and he can use the hesitation move to get into the lane. And that's about it.
I'd like to see him develop a spin dribble, ala Deron Williams. Even a simple head fake can fool defenders into jumping up for a block.
But most importantly he needs to develop a consistent pullup jump shot like Nash. That's what keeps defenses on their toes. Keep in mind that last year, Lin didn't even have a set jumpshot last year. It's going to take some time before he can knock down a pullup jumper.
As for ball handling, that's going to take some playing experience, something that he's not getting with the Knicks.
This Pistons game shows what JL7 can do when,
ReplyDelete1. He's not trying to impress coaches by looking to score on every possession. Those turnovers in Sacramento were the result of him going out of his comfort zone to prove he can break down the defense and score by himself.
2. He's on the floor with other offensive threats, namely Shumpert, who can draw the defense away, so he has more space to drive the lane.
Lin played solid defense on Brandon Knight. He had some trouble getting around the double pick. He also should not have left his man open in order to help out another player. Knight hit a 3-pointer when Lin left him to help out on a mismatch. And again when Lin was switched to guard a post player, leaving Knight an open cut to the lane for the give and go layup. However, that was also Reynaldo Balkman's fault for coming over to help.
I am from Phx, so I know how Mike DAntoni actually values defense very highly. The Suns with Nash have always won with defense, though it doesn't seem that way to most basketball observers.
ReplyDeleteDantoni is very conscious of his reputation as a no defense coach. As a result, Dantoni has always taken great pains to play only guys who aren't utter liabilities on defense. He had Shawn Marion flying all over the court and pressed the Suns to get Shaq to stop guys like Al Jefferson who was a 30-20 man against the Suns. Based on what I saw of Dantoni in Phx as far as defense goes, it doesn't surprise me that he's playing Jeremy Lin who is a rugged defender.
In the NBA, it's defense that gets guys onto the court. A coach will often live with a guy's mistakes if the defense is there. And that's why I think Jeremy Lin will continue to get playing time, albeit in smll quantiies until he learns how to run an NBA offense.
That is sarcasm... right?
ReplyDeleteNo, it's not. Please show more courtesy when addressing other people here.
ReplyDeleteD'Antoni is as much a defensive minded coach as Nelson was! When your team is centered on Stat and Melo, you want to out score other teams, not holding the other team under 90 points. Of course every coach wants their team to play great defense, but NY just don't have the horses to do it night in and night out, that's why they went out and got Chandler hoping to cover some the defensive deficiency created by their star players who will be on the floor when the game matters. Shumpert is an upgrade on D but when you add Bibby and latter Baron Davis, it's a wash.
ReplyDeleteHaving said all that, I agree that JLin will add to their defense with his energy and help defense. But I don't think he will get enough minutes, if at all, to make any difference. And when he's on the floor, he has to take care of the ball and not turn it over, then if he consistently D up and score a few points here and there, he has a chance to stick providing Knicks see value in developing him.
Khuang clearly you are on an ego trip right now. How was what I said not "courteous?" Mike Dantoni does not emphasize defense at all nor has he ever. You also said "he's playing Jeremy Lin." Are you kidding me right now? You also said "in the NBA, it's defense that gets guys onto the court." Either your favorite players are Chuck Hayes and Bruce Bowen or you are just being plain dumb. I also can't believe you consider garbage time "playing time."
ReplyDeleteDon't tell me to be courteous when you are clearly misinformed about what goes on in the NBA.
To the troll with the random handle, Yi is back in the League after tearing up the D-league in two games according to ESPN.
ReplyDeleteHaha it's not my fault my name comes out like this. AIM doesn't recognize the website so it does that. And I'm not trolling, I just strongly disagree with Khuang's posts. I am sure you do too. "D'Antoni is as much a defensive minded coach as Nelson was!" Now that's clear sarcasm.
ReplyDeleteAnd good for Yi, hopefully he does well with Dallas.
Anyone know what happened to Jet Chang?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GEWw_rd_do&feature=channel_video_title
ReplyDeleteIt looks like Yi got a technical complaining to the ref of what should've been an and1. I think we got a new Yi on our hands ladies and gentlemen! For the better. That meanness will definitely help in the NBA.
Yi's meanness will also help in in the Chinese basketball league should he not stick with the Mavs.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, meanness would not be so good for Yi. The Chinese basketball league has a real problem with fighting, as seen by the Georgetown game this summer.
Random guy, you know who you are. I just tell it like I see it. D'Antoni was out of Phoenix because he didn't like what Kerr asked of him - adjust his style and put more emphasis on defense. No argument there.
ReplyDeletelka789 are you talking to me or Khuang? Because I absolutely agree with you about D'Antoni. It's a well known fact that Mike is not a huge advocate of defense.
ReplyDeleteI saw a play on youtube, a FIBA match where he slammed it in a european center's face, he has this look in him face like, you can't freaking stop me bitch, as he back tracks. He definitely has the attitude to play in the league. He just have to string some good outings together and feel more comfortable.
ReplyDeleteThe NBA is not a league where anybody can just dribble to the basket and slam dunk in their face. Either you have to be strong enough to bully your way in, or fast enough to cut to the basket.
ReplyDeleteYi hasn't been either one. He's been a jump shooter, and just an average shooter at that.
Hopefully he can develop a post up game and become stronger.
Dantoni is famous for his offense, but he puts attention on defense too.
ReplyDeleteTyson Chandler was brought in to provide post defense. Iman Shumpert was drafted because of his defense, as were Toney Douglas and Landry Fields. Now Lin has been picked up. I don't see any fault in Dantoni trying to put defensive players on the court alongside his offense minded ones.
Besides, Dantoni had been scouting Jeremy Lin since Lin's Harvard days. We should be commending Dantoni, not trashing him!