Tonight's game against Cleveland, the worst team in the NBA and with tons of injuries, should be a blow out. It should be. If JLin is active, he should get some minutes.
He might not go to Reno until the next roadtrip. The Warriors seem to like to have him on the bench at home - Maybe because Lacob sits right across from the bench.
I have a feeling they're not going to send Jeremy back to Reno any time soon because of all the home games coming up. Jeremy's still a fan favorite at Oracle and maybe they think if he's still with the warriors, fans are willing to buy tickets since there's no way of knowing if he'll be inactive until game time. I just tuned in at tipoff and as soon as I saw Jeremy in a suit, I immediately turned it off. No way am I wasting 2+ hours just to watch Jeremy sitting on the bench in a nice suit.
Also, I wish there weren't links to brian chung's "articles" as Jeremy Lin News on the right because that guy is a straight up moron. He writes trash and takes every opportunity to put Jeremy in a negative light. Regarding his latest "article" he says acie has heart because he took a 2 hour flight from Orlando to New York. Since when is a TWO hour flight from Orlando to New York strenuous and enough to "kill his swag"?? He gives nothing but lame excuses for acie's under performance and yet calls Jeremy a lacking contributor and takes cheap shots at him constantly. This chung guy is a joke.
Damn Warriors management...we can't wait till they clean house. Opened Yahoo Sports, JLin not even listed. Visited the Reno Futurecast, no JLin there either. Turned the damn thing off and came in here to vent some steam...how's that for a JLin fan? Back to SC2! :)
I keep saying the return to Reno by January 12 is crucial because of the Showcase. I almost believe the Warriors don't want him to go. The Bighorns need a guard, Miles is hurt. The next game in Reno is tomorrow. How about letting Lin show some heart and going up to that game?
@ Anon 8:28 PM Jeremy Lin fan? Starcraft 2 Player? What's your ID and character code dude?
I have no idea why Jeremy Lin should be with the Warriors if they don't intend on playing him or even keeping him active. It's absolutely baffling and defies any reasonable analysis. Maybe Jeremy Lin isn't important to the coach and he isn't in the team's plans. Coach Smart has never said anything good about anything other than Lin's 'work effort' and it seems as if he's dismissing him as an NBA player before he even gets an opportunity in the regular rotation. He's young, play him in the NBA or the D-League if he's 'not ready yet'. Young players need experience to develop their basketball skills and I think that experience and proper coaching will propel him into becoming a really good basketball player. Jeremy Lin is an extremely smart guy, he'll improve if he gets playing time and candid coaching.
Warning, the following is a complete fabrication. I'm just bored because I refuse to watch the Warriors. The reason Lin didn't suit up or go to Reno is that there's going to be a trade. Ron Artest and Steven Blake to the W's for Radmanovic, Bell, and Lin. Why not? I don't play Starcraft 2 so I gotta do something.
Got bad news for everyone not watching the game. Curry hurt himself again. The problem is that if Steph can't go, they probably won't let Jeremy go anywhere. Damn
smart is a such a clown. he knows if lin succeeds under him, lin will get all the attention. can't have the first asian american nba player over shadow smart's legend now can he?
"Opened Yahoo Sports, JLin not even listed. Visited the Reno Futurecast, no JLin there either. Turned the damn thing off and came in here to vent some steam..." lol, and I thought I was the only one. I actually watched the Reno game when J Lin was playing and checked attendance to see if his presence influences attendance in the games.
I just come on during game time and see his name not active and come here to check if there is any news. Will they just put him somewhere so I can watch? What's the point of keeping top players like Monte and Curry in a game against the worst team Cavaliers? Let Jeremy Lin some minutes to practice, the top players don't need practice.
I honestly do not have anything against Acie Law. I just don't get it. In the month of January he hasn't played well. His turnover to assist ratio is 5x when even a bad average would be .5x Statistically and visually he is a very poor defender despite what Fitz and Barnett say (don't get me started with those two)He's either injured or we are seeing the real Acie.
The W's are optimistic about how things will go in January. By February they will be scrambling to win as many games as they did last year.
I'm trying not to be a hater. I just don't get it. At least this blog allows me to gripe.
As far as I can tell the only the Acie can do is to wave his arms, jump around, yell out loud, cheer when others make a play, all while he is getting beat on defense and doing nothing on offense, the boards, help defense, or making any contribution whatsoever.
Seems this acting job has Smart convinced, or else Acie is giving Smart half of his paycheck. Smart is only right about one thing; he should play himself over Acie. Lin is so far superior that it is laughable to compare.
I couldn't agree with you more. I just don't get it. It isn't racism or stupidity no matter what it looks like. I'm hoping Riley has some sort of plan or move to make that I don't see. Meanwhile, Acie is getting fatter and fatter, slower and slower, more and more ineffective. Honestly am not hating on him. It's plain to see. Congratulations for being a lousy player and getting someone to pay you big money for crummy production. The truly dumb ones are those that pay their hard earned money year after year to watch garbage. Lacob and Gruber paid the most money of all.
It seems to me that Monte is the PG even though he is SG. So the W's game plan is every other are support cast. So Lin need keep sharp his jump shoot skill . The important skill will make defender confuse. This will help him a lot and no matter which team he belong.
Smart and Riley be damned. I'm starting to wonder who advises Lin. They have to start advocating better treatment. True, Lin's in no position to demand things, but hopefully someone in his inner circle has a viable plan. The coach and FO clearly have no clue or no plan.
Well, if you want to find reasons why Acie Law plays ahead of Lin, here is one bottom-line one. The warriors are 4-13 when Lin plays (.235 worst among Warriors players, David Lee has the best winning percentage). The team is 11-8 playing without Lin.
The Warriors are 7-6 when Law plays (.538). So maybe Smart sees something on those numbers.
Won Loss Record could have nothing to do with strength of competition on schedule and all injuries to Warriors, right?
Hollinger statistics has Acie Law as worst point guard in the whole NBA: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=pg&page=2&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fposition%3dpg%26page%3d2
Lin is significantly higher.
Acie Law hurts his team. You can see it every time any person he is guarding just blows by him and someone else has to found his player to stop layup. He just doesn't have the lateral quickness to guard any NBA guard.
Lin helps his team slightly, even now, even though it may not look so to casual observer.
This guy's statistical model says same thing: http://thecity2.com/
Acie Law hurts his team; Jeremy Lin, even as green as he is, helps his team slightly.
He has the size and lateral quickness to be a valid rotation player in the NBA; Law can't stay in front of his man and the defense breaks down immediately.
Wasn't most of Lin's playing time when the Warriors big men were injured and they were playing something like 14 / 16 above 500 playoff teams, not the Timberwolves and Cavaliers (which Law can't even excel against).
Actually, in wins Lin averages 4 min and 1.3 points while in losses he averages 9 minutes and 2.2 points. Thus, the more he plays the worse the Warriors do.
On the other hand Law averages 13 min and 3.1 points in wins and 12.5 min and 2.8 points in losses. Those the more he plays the better the Warriors do.
And let's not overlook the Reno Bighorns. Without Lin they're 9-4, with Lin 2-2.
Exchanged emails with the communications director of the Bighorns. He says there's no word as to whether or not Lin is going back to Reno. Either the Warriors have some other kind of move in mind, or based on his conversation with David Lee, he prefers to stay on the bench with the Warriors. He seems to be buddies with Steph Curry and Dorell Wright. I'm tired of thinking about it. Whatever happens, happens.
"Thus, the more he plays the worse the Warriors do."
Keith Smart only gives him more minutes in games where they are already getting blown out, such as against the Lakers.
IIRC, in the two losses for the Big Horns when Lin was there, game was tied or they were leading till Musselman pulled Lin for regular starters to close out game.
Why don't you compare Acie Law's horrid performance in third quarter of yesterday's game when Curry had to go out temporarily vs. when Lin had to come in off the bench earlier this year for about 5 minutes in second quarter I think when Curry temporarily went out. Acie had +- of 7 or 9 starting third because Ellis and Rad were raining threes in first half, but immediately after Law came in, Warriors lead dwindled by 10 or so and I think his +- was -2 before ending game at 0 I think.
Compare that to when he and Edoh triggered a comeback in Houston game till Coach Dumb *ss pulled the team that was working for all starters, instead of just inserting Ellis and or Curry with others who got them back in game.
You should stop saying negative things about Lin in favor of Law. Don't you know it's bad "sports karma?" Jeremy is just trying to make a living. I remember somebody posted that worst things will happen to you if you keep it up.
I am not posting against Lin or in favor of Law. They are both marginal players with limited skills and I think both of them will tell you just that if you were to ask them.
I am posting against other posters in this forum that come up with nonsense such as comparing Lin to Nash/Kidd, relating meaningless statistics to show Lin is the best, finding ridiculous racial discrimination theories, bashing Smart/Law/Riley/Reno Announcers/Brian Chung/Me and whoever says anything negative about Lin, proposing that Lin shoud play ahead of Ellis and Curry, hallucinating that Lin could play with the Lakers, wishing Law would hurt himself, berating the Warriors front office and on and on.
It would be best to realize that Lin has a huge mountain to climb, that it is far from certain that he will, and that if he does not, it is no shame.
So far, I don't think either Lin or Law has made any significant difference in the Warriors winning or losing any given game. As far as contribution goes, they are pretty much equal, with Law getting more playing time. I am not a Law fan, and I think someone with his credentials and experience should be a lot better than just a fringe NBA player. The Warriors may be one of very few NBA teams that would keep someone like Law on the roster. Having said that, there's one thing he does better than JLin - He's a savy ballhandler that takes care of the basketball. He doesn't turn it over much. Keith Smart knows that he can use Law to get Curry some rest, and that's all he expects from Law. This allows Law to play within his abilities. When he tries to do more, he looks terrible - shoting bricks from outside and not finishing on drives. Whenever JLin is on the floor, I guess he feels that he needs to make something happen quickly. He doesn't take his time and forces things. Naturally that leaves him prone to making mistakes. You can see that from time to time even in Reno. It just gets magnified when he's with the W's.
Reasonable posts by C Dub and Reality Now that state their positions without contentiousness. I too agree that both players are marginal, although I am hoping Lin has some upside. I'm sure there are those who wonder why so much interest is generated by these two. It is of course due to Lin's heritage. The sociological implications are fascinating to follow. It's not a Jackie Robinson story, but is an interesting study of someone who is a Model Minority, but wishes to go beyond even that stereotype.
I'm done. Kumbaya everybody. Let's get back to our respective rants. Just don't get personal.
good non-biased observation from cdub. neither lin nor law really made any difference on the warriors' wins or loses. BUT the thing is law has been given real minutes to show off his stuff (while playing against crappy teams) and lin was given garbage minutes (during the toughest stretches on the road). lin is greater than law in so many ways.. size, strength, speed, defense, potential, driving into the lane, steals, blocks, youth,.. it goes on and on and on. this is why so many people here are on smart's case. lin should be backing up curry right now. the warriors keep forgetting they are not going anywhere this season and they need to start planning for the future. they should start developing the young guys.
a lot of people don't understand the situation behind the scenes. no stats will really tell the truth. lin has been sitting between the coaches since day 1 and he has been working before and after hours with these coaches (not with smart but with the assistant coaches). they teach him their ideas, methods and how to set up and run plays that a point guard should run. but the problem is when he gets into the game, all that he has absorbed becomes moot when monta demands the ball. when he doesn't give up the ball, monta doesn't move and the set plays falls apart leaving lin looking like he is "uncomfortable" or "confused". so monta gets pissed, gripes and the head coach panicks and brings in someone that monta has a good relation with (law). of course law doesn't look "confused" yet he seems to have some kind of "offensive swagger" just because he brings the ball across the half-court and immediately hands it over to monta. lin is in a real bad situation right now. he is too honest and straight-forward that he overlooks the politics of things. as a rookie point guard, even if the coaches tells him he should run certain plays, he doesn't have to run them all the time, especially when the leading scorer demands the ball. another thing is he has to know when to run the half court sets, doing it all the time will only slow things down and allows the defense to get set. he needs to play in the flow of the offense, make quick decisions and pass the ball quickly when he has nothing. by doing so, the defense can't collapse on him and as an added benefit, the audiences' eyes don't concentrate too much on him as he won't be holding on to it too long for that to happen. then people won't blame him for every mistakes that he makes or didn't make. i hope he learns that as a rookie, he needs to first blend in, gain some trusts and when his time comes, he will have allies on the floor to command. but as it is right now, it will be very difficult for him to get any minutes on this team.
I wonder if part of the reason Lin is not in Reno is because the W's are still not sure about Law's wrist. His recent showings since the injury have not been good (last game 18+ mins 4 pts 0 asts 2 TOs - against a terrible team). I wonder how long they will go with him if this keeps up before shutting him down and letting things heal properly.
I still would prefer it if Lin went back to Reno, played pure PG (with Miles out), and rounded out his game more.
of course they'd say law has that injury and blah blah blah. law sucks period. how he's the backup pg and not lin is beyond me. only that idiot coach knows.
at least lin has guaranteed money. i hope they send him back to the d league so he can audition for other teams and leave the warriors this off season.
Because I believe game stats do give an indication of performance. I must give Smart some credit even though there's something about him I find irritating. WWW.thecity2.com has analyzed the substitution patterns of various teams and concludes that the W's are a team that utilizes it's best offensive players correctly. But this also tells me the W's are no place for a player who wants to develop his game because the team will only use its established players. Marginal players, whether they have upside or are on the downside will get little play in this situation. Smart has already stated he will establish an 8 man rotation and stick to it.
Hopefully there's a plan for those on the roster that aren't being utilized. Charlie Bell is the most perplexing player to me. He does NOT have an expiring contract. He is guaranteed 4 million plus next year.
To me, it's now on Lin's agent. He has to put Jeremy in a position to succeed. If not, in 20 years your children will be saying "Dad knew some guy named Lin who was a good basketball player,but didn't make it on the Warriors. Grandpa knew someone named Norman Owyang who..."
It seems to me that Monte want to be the PG and SG. Even curry, W's start PG realized that. Monte have to think about it if he is injured in the next few games. Who else going to carry the W. So if I am Monte or coach. I will not selfish and somehow work with the team so that every play can contribute their part.
I'm wondering if in the mind of a GM and for an agent, it's better to say a player is the 14th man on the roster rather than a D-leaguer. Bottomline is Lin did achieve a rookie contract despite a less than stellar basketball pedigree. He has shown potential in the NBA and proven he's far superior to the average D-League player. Plus,there's also the risk of injury. I feel sorry for Aaron Miles. Now all that's left is to stay on the bench as a potential replacement to Law, and collect the money. His pay isn't much by NBA standards, but I bet he's the highest paid Harvard graduate in his class right now.
If we check the Boston. Rondo come in as rookie PG and every other player do their role and play defense as well that is why they are good. RAllen is pure SG. PPerce is SF. KGennet is PF. Every player are play their role and that are not selfish and share the ball. Now go back W. If DLee is not able to have 20 point 10 rebound. Curry does have 15 point 10 assist. Then chances are W will lose the game. Monte is great player but have to share the ball .. period
Any details on what Aaron Miles knee injury ended up being?
Did he just bang it up, or did he tear something?
Seemed like a nice guy and he was supposed to be one of the top 10 prospects to get called up from D League: http://nba.fanhouse.com/2011/01/05/on-10-day-contract-opening-day-d-league-call-up-candidates/
Yeah, too bad about Miles. This might be a factor afftecting Lin's status. As stated earlier, once a player proves they are past the d-league stage, avoiding injury is a factor. Better to just sit on the bench, work out in practice, collect a check, and be ready when the opportunity presents itself.
Eric Bledsoe is quicker than John Wall because he is a smaller point guard at 6'1".
I don't see Jeremy Lin becoming the starting PG for the Reno Bighorns. They have already signed Saleem Stoudemire to replace Aaron Miles at the PG spot. Lin can still be the starting shooting guard, he's already proven he can play at that position. And he seems to do really well at the 2 guard when Miles was the PG.
Marcus Thompson tweeted that Lin is being reassigned to Reno this Sunday.
As long as he doesn't get injured, probably best thing for his long term development.
Only reason to watch the Warriors now is to see how poorly Acie plays defense (his standard posture is to stand, flat footed, at point where his man easily blew by him, and just watch as that player drives in for a layup, gets fouled, or dishes to someone for a high quality shot near basket, just like happened over and over again in third quarter against the mighty Cavaliers) :)
both acie and lin are marginal nba players at this point. the main difference is that acie has reached his full potential (or at least had several years in the nba to do so), and lin has not yet had that opportunity.
he's been in the league for 3 months, give the kid a break. maybe he makes it in the nba, maybe he doesn't. he'll be playing pro basketball somewhere that's pretty certain.
It's about time ! He was wasting time listening to Coach Smart's system. Lets hope he can gel with the Bighorns in time for his next game at D-League Showcase.
My money is he is in a nice suit again!
ReplyDeleteDisappointed to see he didn't go up to Reno. My money is on a suit too.
ReplyDeleteI am picking suit as well.
ReplyDeleteHe might not go to Reno until the next roadtrip. The Warriors seem to like to have him on the bench at home - Maybe because Lacob sits right across from the bench.
Lin is not listed at Yahoo Sports for this game.
ReplyDeleteLooks like he is going to be in a suit.
On SFGate, Lin is listed as Inactive. No need for me to watch.
ReplyDeleteSend Lin to the D-league already! Sheesh.
Lin wears glasses. Does this explain in part the shooting issue?
ReplyDeleteI have a feeling they're not going to send Jeremy back to Reno any time soon because of all the home games coming up. Jeremy's still a fan favorite at Oracle and maybe they think if he's still with the warriors, fans are willing to buy tickets since there's no way of knowing if he'll be inactive until game time. I just tuned in at tipoff and as soon as I saw Jeremy in a suit, I immediately turned it off. No way am I wasting 2+ hours just to watch Jeremy sitting on the bench in a nice suit.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I wish there weren't links to brian chung's "articles" as Jeremy Lin News on the right because that guy is a straight up moron. He writes trash and takes every opportunity to put Jeremy in a negative light. Regarding his latest "article" he says acie has heart because he took a 2 hour flight from Orlando to New York. Since when is a TWO hour flight from Orlando to New York strenuous and enough to "kill his swag"?? He gives nothing but lame excuses for acie's under performance and yet calls Jeremy a lacking contributor and takes cheap shots at him constantly. This chung guy is a joke.
Damn Warriors management...we can't wait till they clean house. Opened Yahoo Sports, JLin not even listed. Visited the Reno Futurecast, no JLin there either. Turned the damn thing off and came in here to vent some steam...how's that for a JLin fan? Back to SC2! :)
ReplyDeleteI keep saying the return to Reno by January 12 is crucial because of the Showcase. I almost believe the Warriors don't want him to go. The Bighorns need a guard, Miles is hurt. The next game in Reno is tomorrow. How about letting Lin show some heart and going up to that game?
ReplyDelete@ Anon 8:28 PM Jeremy Lin fan? Starcraft 2 Player? What's your ID and character code dude?
ReplyDeleteI have no idea why Jeremy Lin should be with the Warriors if they don't intend on playing him or even keeping him active. It's absolutely baffling and defies any reasonable analysis. Maybe Jeremy Lin isn't important to the coach and he isn't in the team's plans. Coach Smart has never said anything good about anything other than Lin's 'work effort' and it seems as if he's dismissing him as an NBA player before he even gets an opportunity in the regular rotation. He's young, play him in the NBA or the D-League if he's 'not ready yet'. Young players need experience to develop their basketball skills and I think that experience and proper coaching will propel him into becoming a really good basketball player. Jeremy Lin is an extremely smart guy, he'll improve if he gets playing time and candid coaching.
Warning, the following is a complete fabrication. I'm just bored because I refuse to watch the Warriors. The reason Lin didn't suit up or go to Reno is that there's going to be a trade. Ron Artest and Steven Blake to the W's for Radmanovic, Bell, and Lin. Why not? I don't play Starcraft 2 so I gotta do something.
ReplyDeleteGot bad news for everyone not watching the game. Curry hurt himself again. The problem is that if Steph can't go, they probably won't let Jeremy go anywhere. Damn
ReplyDeletesmart is a such a clown. he knows if lin succeeds under him, lin will get all the attention. can't have the first asian american nba player over shadow smart's legend now can he?
ReplyDelete"Opened Yahoo Sports, JLin not even listed. Visited the Reno Futurecast, no JLin there either. Turned the damn thing off and came in here to vent some steam..."
ReplyDeletelol, and I thought I was the only one. I actually watched the Reno game when J Lin was playing and checked attendance to see if his presence influences attendance in the games.
I just come on during game time and see his name not active and come here to check if there is any news. Will they just put him somewhere so I can watch? What's the point of keeping top players like Monte and Curry in a game against the worst team Cavaliers? Let Jeremy Lin some minutes to practice, the top players don't need practice.
Got good news, Curry came back in. Someone tell the Warriors it's okay to send Lin somewhere else. I like the LAL idea but seems unrealistic.
ReplyDeleteThe Cavs are really bad.
is it bad to wish negative things on people? because i wish smart develops chronic diarrhea!
ReplyDeleteHe is in the wrong business, he should be CR suit man. Get some promotions.
ReplyDeleteHe sux like hell. Can't run offense , can't shoot
Send smart to the d league call up musselman!
ReplyDeleteI honestly do not have anything against Acie Law. I just don't get it. In the month of January he hasn't played well. His turnover to assist ratio is 5x when even a bad average would be .5x Statistically and visually he is a very poor defender despite what Fitz and Barnett say (don't get me started with those two)He's either injured or we are seeing the real Acie.
ReplyDeleteThe W's are optimistic about how things will go in January. By February they will be scrambling to win as many games as they did last year.
I'm trying not to be a hater. I just don't get it. At least this blog allows me to gripe.
As far as I can tell the only the Acie can do is to wave his arms, jump around, yell out loud, cheer when others make a play, all while he is getting beat on defense and doing nothing on offense, the boards, help defense, or making any contribution whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteSeems this acting job has Smart convinced, or else Acie is giving Smart half of his paycheck. Smart is only right about one thing; he should play himself over Acie. Lin is so far superior that it is laughable to compare.
@Passing Shot
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree with you more. I just don't get it. It isn't racism or stupidity no matter what it looks like. I'm hoping Riley has some sort of plan or move to make that I don't see. Meanwhile, Acie is getting fatter and fatter, slower and slower, more and more ineffective. Honestly am not hating on him. It's plain to see. Congratulations for being a lousy player and getting someone to pay you big money for crummy production. The truly dumb ones are those that pay their hard earned money year after year to watch garbage. Lacob and Gruber paid the most money of all.
"Send smart to the d league call up musselman!"
ReplyDeleteLOL! I second that!
get rid of the Warriors coach!!!
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ReplyDeleteNot playing for the W's, and not playing for Reno. Either the W's have plans on trading JLin, or they are just keeping him on ice.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that Monte is the PG even though he is SG. So the W's game plan is every other are support cast. So Lin need keep sharp his jump shoot skill . The important skill will make defender confuse. This will help him a lot and no matter which team he belong.
ReplyDeleteSmart and Riley be damned. I'm starting to wonder who advises Lin. They have to start advocating better treatment. True, Lin's in no position to demand things, but hopefully someone in his inner circle has a viable plan. The coach and FO clearly have no clue or no plan.
ReplyDeleteturns out jeremy lin is just a piece of crap.
ReplyDeleteno wonder he was undrafted, good job scouts...
he only got in nba by fluke. had a few strong summer games but diddn't mean anything vs inferior talents.
Well, if you want to find reasons why Acie Law plays ahead of Lin, here is one bottom-line one. The warriors are 4-13 when Lin plays (.235 worst among Warriors players, David Lee has the best winning percentage). The team is 11-8 playing without Lin.
ReplyDeleteThe Warriors are 7-6 when Law plays (.538). So maybe Smart sees something on those numbers.
Won Loss Record could have nothing to do with strength of competition on schedule and all injuries to Warriors, right?
ReplyDeleteHollinger statistics has Acie Law as worst point guard in the whole NBA: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=pg&page=2&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fposition%3dpg%26page%3d2
Lin is significantly higher.
Acie Law hurts his team. You can see it every time any person he is guarding just blows by him and someone else has to found his player to stop layup. He just doesn't have the lateral quickness to guard any NBA guard.
Lin helps his team slightly, even now, even though it may not look so to casual observer.
Let me guess: statistics that favor Lin are all sound and valid, but those that don't have inherent problems. Sure.
ReplyDeleteThis guy's statistical model says same thing: http://thecity2.com/
ReplyDeleteAcie Law hurts his team; Jeremy Lin, even as green as he is, helps his team slightly.
He has the size and lateral quickness to be a valid rotation player in the NBA; Law can't stay in front of his man and the defense breaks down immediately.
Wasn't most of Lin's playing time when the Warriors big men were injured and they were playing something like 14 / 16 above 500 playoff teams, not the Timberwolves and Cavaliers (which Law can't even excel against).
@Reality Now
ReplyDeleteyou gotta remember that lin was put into those games in garbage time when the warriors were going to lose already
you try too hard "Reality Now"
ReplyDeleteActually, in wins Lin averages 4 min and 1.3 points while in losses he averages 9 minutes and 2.2 points. Thus, the more he plays the worse the Warriors do.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand Law averages 13 min and 3.1 points in wins and 12.5 min and 2.8 points in losses. Those the more he plays the better the Warriors do.
And let's not overlook the Reno Bighorns. Without Lin they're 9-4, with Lin 2-2.
Exchanged emails with the communications director of the Bighorns. He says there's no word as to whether or not Lin is going back to Reno. Either the Warriors have some other kind of move in mind, or based on his conversation with David Lee, he prefers to stay on the bench with the Warriors. He seems to be buddies with Steph Curry and Dorell Wright. I'm tired of thinking about it. Whatever happens, happens.
ReplyDelete"Thus, the more he plays the worse the Warriors do."
ReplyDeleteKeith Smart only gives him more minutes in games where they are already getting blown out, such as against the Lakers.
IIRC, in the two losses for the Big Horns when Lin was there, game was tied or they were leading till Musselman pulled Lin for regular starters to close out game.
Why don't you compare Acie Law's horrid performance in third quarter of yesterday's game when Curry had to go out temporarily vs. when Lin had to come in off the bench earlier this year for about 5 minutes in second quarter I think when Curry temporarily went out. Acie had +- of 7 or 9 starting third because Ellis and Rad were raining threes in first half, but immediately after Law came in, Warriors lead dwindled by 10 or so and I think his +- was -2 before ending game at 0 I think.
Compare that to when he and Edoh triggered a comeback in Houston game till Coach Dumb *ss pulled the team that was working for all starters, instead of just inserting Ellis and or Curry with others who got them back in game.
Reality now, please make correct comment. Otherwise I will ignore your post
ReplyDelete@Reality Now Said 2:54pm "Let me guess..."
ReplyDeleteThat pretty much sums up your thought processes. Hope you keep it up. It is very entertaining.
@Reality Now
ReplyDeleteYou should stop saying negative things about Lin in favor of Law. Don't you know it's bad "sports karma?" Jeremy is just trying to make a living. I remember somebody posted that worst things will happen to you if you keep it up.
I am not posting against Lin or in favor of Law. They are both marginal players with limited skills and I think both of them will tell you just that if you were to ask them.
ReplyDeleteI am posting against other posters in this forum that come up with nonsense such as comparing Lin to Nash/Kidd, relating meaningless statistics to show Lin is the best, finding ridiculous racial discrimination theories, bashing Smart/Law/Riley/Reno Announcers/Brian Chung/Me and whoever says anything negative about Lin, proposing that Lin shoud play ahead of Ellis and Curry, hallucinating that Lin could play with the Lakers, wishing Law would hurt himself, berating the Warriors front office and on and on.
It would be best to realize that Lin has a huge mountain to climb, that it is far from certain that he will, and that if he does not, it is no shame.
So far, I don't think either Lin or Law has made any significant difference in the Warriors winning or losing any given game. As far as contribution goes, they are pretty much equal, with Law getting more playing time. I am not a Law fan, and I think someone with his credentials and experience should be a lot better than just a fringe NBA player. The Warriors may be one of very few NBA teams that would keep someone like Law on the roster. Having said that, there's one thing he does better than JLin - He's a savy ballhandler that takes care of the basketball. He doesn't turn it over much. Keith Smart knows that he can use Law to get Curry some rest, and that's all he expects from Law. This allows Law to play within his abilities. When he tries to do more, he looks terrible - shoting bricks from outside and not finishing on drives. Whenever JLin is on the floor, I guess he feels that he needs to make something happen quickly. He doesn't take his time and forces things. Naturally that leaves him prone to making mistakes. You can see that from time to time even in Reno. It just gets magnified when he's with the W's.
ReplyDeleteJust my observation.
Reasonable posts by C Dub and Reality Now that state their positions without contentiousness. I too agree that both players are marginal, although I am hoping Lin has some upside. I'm sure there are those who wonder why so much interest is generated by these two. It is of course due to Lin's heritage. The sociological implications are fascinating to follow. It's not a Jackie Robinson story, but is an interesting study of someone who is a Model Minority, but wishes to go beyond even that stereotype.
ReplyDeleteI'm done. Kumbaya everybody. Let's get back to our respective rants. Just don't get personal.
good non-biased observation from cdub. neither lin nor law really made any difference on the warriors' wins or loses. BUT the thing is law has been given real minutes to show off his stuff (while playing against crappy teams) and lin was given garbage minutes (during the toughest stretches on the road). lin is greater than law in so many ways.. size, strength, speed, defense, potential, driving into the lane, steals, blocks, youth,.. it goes on and on and on. this is why so many people here are on smart's case. lin should be backing up curry right now. the warriors keep forgetting they are not going anywhere this season and they need to start planning for the future. they should start developing the young guys.
ReplyDeleteStephen Curry: "And Jeremy came in and gave us some great minutes, got a good steal for us and kind of kept the game in tight."
ReplyDeletehttp://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/12/02/steph-curry-on-getting-pulled-for-key-minutes-in-the-4th-quarter-i-just-had-a-lapse-and-i-got-yanked/
Lin v Law, Law v Lin, blah. blah. blah. I wish I could have seen Norman Owyang play, whomever he is.
ReplyDeletea lot of people don't understand the situation behind the scenes. no stats will really tell the truth. lin has been sitting between the coaches since day 1 and he has been working before and after hours with these coaches (not with smart but with the assistant coaches). they teach him their ideas, methods and how to set up and run plays that a point guard should run. but the problem is when he gets into the game, all that he has absorbed becomes moot when monta demands the ball. when he doesn't give up the ball, monta doesn't move and the set plays falls apart leaving lin looking like he is "uncomfortable" or "confused". so monta gets pissed, gripes and the head coach panicks and brings in someone that monta has a good relation with (law). of course law doesn't look "confused" yet he seems to have some kind of "offensive swagger" just because he brings the ball across the half-court and immediately hands it over to monta. lin is in a real bad situation right now. he is too honest and straight-forward that he overlooks the politics of things. as a rookie point guard, even if the coaches tells him he should run certain plays, he doesn't have to run them all the time, especially when the leading scorer demands the ball. another thing is he has to know when to run the half court sets, doing it all the time will only slow things down and allows the defense to get set. he needs to play in the flow of the offense, make quick decisions and pass the ball quickly when he has nothing. by doing so, the defense can't collapse on him and as an added benefit, the audiences' eyes don't concentrate too much on him as he won't be holding on to it too long for that to happen. then people won't blame him for every mistakes that he makes or didn't make. i hope he learns that as a rookie, he needs to first blend in, gain some trusts and when his time comes, he will have allies on the floor to command. but as it is right now, it will be very difficult for him to get any minutes on this team.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous January 8, 2011 9:37 PM
ReplyDeleteAgree with your observations; you are right on. Lin is far superior in substance; he just needs to be more pleasing with the eyes.
I wonder if part of the reason Lin is not in Reno is because the W's are still not sure about Law's wrist. His recent showings since the injury have not been good (last game 18+ mins 4 pts 0 asts 2 TOs - against a terrible team). I wonder how long they will go with him if this keeps up before shutting him down and letting things heal properly.
ReplyDeleteI still would prefer it if Lin went back to Reno, played pure PG (with Miles out), and rounded out his game more.
of course they'd say law has that injury and blah blah blah. law sucks period. how he's the backup pg and not lin is beyond me. only that idiot coach knows.
ReplyDeleteat least lin has guaranteed money. i hope they send him back to the d league so he can audition for other teams and leave the warriors this off season.
Because I believe game stats do give an indication of performance. I must give Smart some credit even though there's something about him I find irritating. WWW.thecity2.com has analyzed the substitution patterns of various teams and concludes that the W's are a team that utilizes it's best offensive players correctly. But this also tells me the W's are no place for a player who wants to develop his game because the team will only use its established players. Marginal players, whether they have upside or are on the downside will get little play in this situation. Smart has already stated he will establish an 8 man rotation and stick to it.
ReplyDeleteHopefully there's a plan for those on the roster that aren't being utilized. Charlie Bell is the most perplexing player to me. He does NOT have an expiring contract. He is guaranteed 4 million plus next year.
To me, it's now on Lin's agent. He has to put Jeremy in a position to succeed. If not, in 20 years your children will be saying "Dad knew some guy named Lin who was a good basketball player,but didn't make it on the Warriors. Grandpa knew someone named Norman Owyang who..."
It seems to me that Monte want to be the PG and SG. Even curry, W's start PG realized that. Monte have to think about it if he is injured in the next few games. Who else going to carry the W. So if I am Monte or coach. I will not selfish and somehow work with the team so that every play can contribute their part.
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I'm wondering if in the mind of a GM and for an agent, it's better to say a player is the 14th man on the roster rather than a D-leaguer. Bottomline is Lin did achieve a rookie contract despite a less than stellar basketball pedigree. He has shown potential in the NBA and proven he's far superior to the average D-League player. Plus,there's also the risk of injury. I feel sorry for Aaron Miles. Now all that's left is to stay on the bench as a potential replacement to Law, and collect the money. His pay isn't much by NBA standards, but I bet he's the highest paid Harvard graduate in his class right now.
ReplyDeleteIf we check the Boston. Rondo come in as rookie PG and every other player do their role and play defense as well that is why they are good. RAllen is pure SG. PPerce is SF. KGennet is PF. Every player are play their role and that are not selfish and share the ball. Now go back W. If DLee is not able to have 20 point 10 rebound. Curry does have 15 point 10 assist. Then chances are W will lose the game. Monte is great player but have to share the ball .. period
ReplyDeleteAny details on what Aaron Miles knee injury ended up being?
ReplyDeleteDid he just bang it up, or did he tear something?
Seemed like a nice guy and he was supposed to be one of the top 10 prospects to get called up from D League: http://nba.fanhouse.com/2011/01/05/on-10-day-contract-opening-day-d-league-call-up-candidates/
Yeah, too bad about Miles. This might be a factor afftecting Lin's status. As stated earlier, once a player proves they are past the d-league stage, avoiding injury is a factor. Better to just sit on the bench, work out in practice, collect a check, and be ready when the opportunity presents itself.
ReplyDeletejeremy lin is useless.
ReplyDeletecan't shoot, slow in speed, and can't pass the rock.
his assists / 48 minutes is really bad.
Yahoo Sports doesn't have him listed on the roster for today's game.
ReplyDeleteOnly reason to watch now is to see Acie Law get burned over and over again by the Clippers.
I looked up Eric Bledsoe's Draft Express profile, and he is supposed to be second quickest guard in this year's draft, just behind John Wall.
ronny ko: you are clueless.
ReplyDeleteEric Bledsoe is quicker than John Wall because he is a smaller point guard at 6'1".
ReplyDeleteI don't see Jeremy Lin becoming the starting PG for the Reno Bighorns. They have already signed Saleem Stoudemire to replace Aaron Miles at the PG spot. Lin can still be the starting shooting guard, he's already proven he can play at that position. And he seems to do really well at the 2 guard when Miles was the PG.
Marcus Thompson tweeted that Lin is being reassigned to Reno this Sunday.
ReplyDeleteAs long as he doesn't get injured, probably best thing for his long term development.
Only reason to watch the Warriors now is to see how poorly Acie plays defense (his standard posture is to stand, flat footed, at point where his man easily blew by him, and just watch as that player drives in for a layup, gets fouled, or dishes to someone for a high quality shot near basket, just like happened over and over again in third quarter against the mighty Cavaliers) :)
both acie and lin are marginal nba players at this point. the main difference is that acie has reached his full potential (or at least had several years in the nba to do so), and lin has not yet had that opportunity.
ReplyDeletehe's been in the league for 3 months, give the kid a break. maybe he makes it in the nba, maybe he doesn't. he'll be playing pro basketball somewhere that's pretty certain.
According to RealGM, Lin is going back to the D-League!!!
ReplyDeleteIt's about time ! He was wasting time listening to Coach Smart's system. Lets hope he can gel with the Bighorns in time for his next game at D-League Showcase.
ReplyDeletePlay tough, play aggressive.