Wednesday, December 15, 2010

JLin To The D-League. Good or Bad?


As you've heard, the rumor is that Jeremy will probably get sent to the D-League when Steph Curry returns. I would think going to the D-League and playing a lot of minutes at the point would be a good thing for Jeremy. However, Aaron Miles is playing great right now, averaging 18 and 10 (assists). So, not sure how that is going to work.

37 comments:

  1. The story of Jeremy Lin (so far):
    an uncertain NBA prospect awes the crowd against the number one draft pick in a summer league game, thereby earning a contract to play for an NBA team; however, minutes in an actual NBA game are dubious; nevertheless, he receives a few minutes here and there, and soon plays increasing minutes while averaging near a solid 10 points-a-game and playing excellent defense; yet, several games into the apparently remarkable improvement/statistical respectability, he abruptly gets hacked in the face by a large 7-foot center with no foul call and is not able to recover.....
    When are the Warriors going to be playing the Wizards (with a healthy John Wall)?

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  2. He had some good minutes and some not so good minutes. His best game was against the Lakers in garbage time. He had like 12 points. It was enough to get him real minutes against the Nuggets. However, he regressed at Grizzies when he got blocked twice trying to reverse layups. Those might be fouls, but the refs are not gonna call them for a nobody as he is right now. Recently had a ball dribbled off his foot and was called out on TV by Jim Barnett for not finishing a layup right. He also missed free throws. The offense stalls when he's in, perhaps he's not confident and teammates not trusting him. I think he's good at defense, but his offensive numbers are lacking. That's why Acie Law was signed.

    D-League is not going do much for him. The players are scrubs down there. That's why they are not in the N-B-A. He will probably come off the bench for Aaron Miles.

    What should Lin do now? I suggest get confident fast or you'll be riding the bench in the D-League. Nobody is going to wait for you to get "confident" when you are an undrafted rookie. Curry's injury is still a few weeks away so he might get some more minutes. I'd say play the best damn minutes as best you can at this point and correct your flaws in the D-League. He will get called up again since he has a partial contract guaranteed and he's still on the 15 man roster.

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  3. i don't think the d-league will help him at all. the d-league is a place for players to showcase themselves. and that means individual scorers taking every shot they can get. it's no place for point guard like lin.

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  4. There's no shame in D-League. I just don't see the point. First off, he's done fine for the Warriors whenever he's been given more than 2-3 garbage minutes (the dude went to town on the Lakers!!).

    Secondly, what key reserve's roster spot is JL taking? Charlie Bell? Aaron Miles? Sorry, backup PG is such a minor concern -- why not develop young talent instead of a washed-up underachiever like Acie Law?

    Meanwhile, even with his "struggles" JL is still a steal-machine on a terrible defensive squad. Sending him to Reno is also unfair to current D-Leaguers -- why should JL (a guy who's already proven he can beat up fringe NBA players) take minutes away from players who need them more?

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  5. "However, he regressed at Grizzlies when he got blocked twice trying to reverse layups."

    EVERYONE got blocked that game...even Monta got blocked twice! Also, one of JL's "blocked" attempts was a clear foul. Even so, he got two steals and a block himself! That's the ind of "bad" game Jeremy has. Acie Law, meanwhile, gets the backup job after a -17 game followed by a mixed bag against the NBA's worst team. Are you kidding me Warriors FO?

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  6. wasn't acie law the guy on the warriors last year who got torched by jennings for 55pts? and wasn't keith smart the defensive coordinator for the warriors last year? and what team did acie play well against at home? which teams did lin had to play against given 2-3 minutes in garbage time?

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  7. First, want to emphasize I am a JLin/Warriors fan. I've also posted that he should go to another team. How to accomplish that I'm not sure but here's my take. Coach Smart and Riley look upon Lin negatively for the following reasons:

    The coaches and FO always wanted Aaron Miles but JLin had a contract. They're probably not too happy with Lacob and his son making inputs about the roster.

    Coach and FO have a vested interest in showing Lacob is interferring and they are the "real" basketball people. This way they keep their jobs a little longer.

    If JLin is sent to Reno, he will backup Miles. If Law screws up, Miles is more likely to be called up. Especially true if as someone mentioned Lin's contract is only guaranteed to Jan. 10.

    Sorry to keep saying this because I'd like to see him stick with the W's, but it seems like it would be in his best interest to move on. Don't know if D-League is useful except to get playing time. Summer League seems like it will be more important.

    Glad to hear that D-League games are easy to catch.

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  8. What do you think is the best team for #7? My choices in order are:

    1) Warriors
    2) Mavericks
    3) Grizzlies
    4) Lakers
    5) Taiwan National Team

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  9. Jeremy in the past few game he's played minus the Miami one has looked lost and like he's going through the motions. The Memphis game was really horrible. He looked like he didn't belong in the NBA at all. He got blocked twice but he was horrible in all facets of the game. He was slow to loose balls. His ball handling was shaky. He was very passive. Vasquez ate him up.

    The main reason I think Coach Smart is going to Law now instead of Jeremy is because the offense stalls and is completely out of sync when he's in there. Jeremy needs to do more then dribble the ball up past half court and hand it off to Monta Ellis. It doesn't help that Ellis and most of his other teammates never look for him. Jeremy needs to be more aggressive. He needs to look for his shot more. I think going down to D-League and getting regular playing time, even against less talented players will help him. Jeremy IMO is not a pure PG but he is an undersized playmaking SG. Jeremy needs to play to his strengths which he can't do without confidence. I hope he regain it soon.

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  10. Plain and simple. If the Warriors send JLin to D League or another team for that matter, the Warriors are going to lose some fans (temporarily or for a long time). I think overall, JLin has done an okay job as a rookie, and can and will surely improve his game with better coaching and more experience. However, after watching Mr. Smart coach thus far, I can not say the same for him. I have "negative" (if that's even possible) confidence that he is an able coach that can get you into the play-offs and succeed. The guy just plain, flat out (however you want to put it), can not coach. He has no clear strategy for the games, no adjustments, no rythm in how best to use his players...you name it. I can't think of one good thing about him, other than the fact that he makes a good cheerleader.

    If anyone sees it differently or thinks he is excelling in any area, please point that out. I certainly can not see "anything" at this point where he is excelling as a coach. And all I can conclude is that, management has got to let him go. You need a tough coach who emphasizes the "defense" first and "teamwork" second kind of mentality in order to succeed.

    Hope the Warriors cut him loose! It is obvious to me that he is not winner...

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  11. goku... don't hate on keith smart because jLin is not playing consistent minutes.. jLin has been sporadic at best in production.. to anonymous #1 post.. you are even more retarded with your story of jLin so far.. he never averaged nearly 10 pts per game (what are you smoking? let me get some of that!) he had one great offensive game (13 pts) against the lakers 2nd and 3rd string when the warriors were getting blown out.. jLin is doing ok in the league right now.. i would have liked to see jLin get some more CONSISTENT minutes after the lakers game but that has not happened.. with acie law in the mix and his 9 pt game the other night i don't see jLin playing more than 5 minutes of garbage time.. on the somewhat bright side, on ESPN jLin is still listed as 2nd string PG with acie law at 3rd string..

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  12. also goku, d up first and teamwork second? let me get some of what you're smoking also! if anything teamwork, d up, offense. warriors have offense no doubt as monta/steph can put up 60+ on any given night, and dwright/dlee a consistent 30+. teamwork is nonexistent as monta is becoming what i hate to say a volume scorer and dare i say a ball hog... yes i would want the ball in his hands with time running out but he needs to look for others more often. am i just hating on goku or anyone feel me on this post and the post before?

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  13. "What do you think is the best team for #7? My choices in order are:
    1) Warriors
    2) Mavericks
    3) Grizzlies
    4) Lakers
    5) Taiwan National Team
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    Warriors obviously was the best case scenario for Jeremy to get playing time, but that's not working out. Mavericks are already loaded at the guard position, if he goes to the Mavs he gets send back to the D-League. Grizzlies would be interesting, but I don't know too much about them to comment.

    Lakers would have been a good fit for future development, but he wouldn't have gotten any playing time, and most likely be sent to the D-League for some time. Ebanks barely gets Playing time and he has the skills to play in the triangle. If the Warriors for some reason waive Jeremy Lin, I could see the Lakers going after him in the future. Fisher is getting old, which means that will open up a spot for Jeremy Lin. The Lakers assistant coach, Chuck Person, and shooting coach, Craig Hodges, will probably be able to help Lin on his shooting too.

    Taiwan National Team is not a League, that will only be a option for mostly summer international play or other exhibition events. Most of the Taiwanese national players either play in the Taiwanese league (SBL or another) and some are now playing in the CBA.

    Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury are in the CBA as well. One of Taiwan's national team PGs, Lee Hsueh-Lin, is Steve Francis's teammates.

    http://img1.gtimg.com/1/138/13866/1386606_550x550_0.jpg

    but the CBA and SBL are the last places I would want to see Jeremy Lin play professionally. He should only do that if he has no other options. Even Joe Alexander didn't go straight to the CBA, because NBA scrubs just end up dominating the CBA.

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  14. I'll stop watching Warriors games if Lin is not on the roster. I only started watching the Warriors again because of Lin.

    Lin has done just fine as a rookie, and I don't see the D-League as benefiting him. Grades: A/A+ on defense and C on offense, as far as rookies go. Frankly, if he had more touches on offense, his grade would go up. Just because he doesn't chuck up a shot and hands the ball off does not necessarily mean he is failing at offense, as that could be the coach's playcalling. Offense is glamourous, but defense wins games. If the Warriors started Lin and played him 30-35 minutes, letting him work through any slow patches on offense, the Warriors would be no worse off for sure.

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  15. For those of you who think Jeremy Lin won't get playing time or come off the bench if he gets to the D-League, you probably don't know much about the D-League. When NBA players get sent to the D-League, they become priority over any player on the roster that is not a NBA player.

    This means it doesn't matter if Aaron Miles is beasting because Jeremy Lin will get the green light and becomes top focus to develop. This is why former players like Jose Barea and Sun Yue get the automatic start when they got sent down. If Lin doesn't end up starting at PG, he will most likely start at SG. Either way, he will start because he is the NBA player and the reason why NBA teams send their players to the D-League is to receive significant playing time that they wouldn't get in the NBA.

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  16. I don't blame coach Smart for Lin's minutes. Lin earned some early and got them but then his play fell off.

    I do think Smart hasn't been able to institute the things he would like the team to do like play defense or any sort of organized offense. My theory is that Monta "owns" the team and he is a free-flow streetball kind of guy. He makes it up as it goes and set plays and coordinated team movements interfere with that. So Monta (and on some level Curry) just don't follow what coach tells them and you have what you see on the court - give the ball to Monta, stay out of the way, and see what happens. As a result, when Lin gets in, there is no team offense, he then has to play like Monta or Steph which he just can't do (very few players can).

    So if I had to fault coach Smart, it would be for not getting the team to play like a team and letting Monta dictate how they play.

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  17. well, i am faulting smart. he has no control whatsoever over his players and seems to always be making excuses after each lost. he has no defensive strategies and no set/design offensive plays. he allows monta and curry to play street style basketball which is too predictable and limits every other players except for players like them: reggie. he has possibly 3 all-star players and still manages to lose games in blowouts. he and acie law are the worst coach and player in the entire league who are given too many chances to suck. i also blame dumb warriors fans because they don't recognize the upside in lin instead they discriminate. and because they can not see how bad smart and acie is. but this is what they want, and what they deserve.

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  18. Acie gets to be the hero against a horrible team in Minnesota and no matter how bad he plays he will still be praised by dumb warriors fans when he goes up against the next 7 mediocre teams.

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  19. look at how p.jackson treat his rookie and then look at k.smart.

    jlin shouldve went to lakers.

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  20. Jeremy Lin would not get much playing time with the Lakers, but his development in the future would have been better especially learning under a championship team with veterans. Also being on the Lakers, it would have gotten better advice to help him deal with the pressure from the media and fans.

    Jeremy Lin did say during Asian Heritage Night that those 3 counteroffers he got were worth more than what the Warriors offered him, but he wanted to play in his hometown.

    It's not too late though, when Jeremy Lin plays in the D-League there will be other NBA and even Euroleague scouts watching him. He won't only be playing for a Warriors spot but a NBA spot in general.

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  21. If Lin gets starter minutes in DL, and proves himself to Smart and all the other doubters, then it's a good thing. Next time Curry or another guard gets injured, hopefully Lin will get called up again and actually play meaningful minutes.

    If Lin goes to DL and is stuck on the bench, then that's the worst case scenario.

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  22. why wouldn't he get minutes on the lakers? even though they have a lot of guards, they also have lots of minutes for everyone as they are always leading not like the warriors always trailing. they would want to rest kobe/fisher for the playoffs. plus, sad to say but i doubt he'd face as much haters in la as he is now from his home town. well, actually from interweb warriors fans.

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  23. i hope some other team picks him up. i'm so damn tired of the warriors, their stupid fans, the haters, riley, smart, monta, acie, and fitz. he needs to get out of here!

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  24. Just finished watching Smart's interview re: Acie Law.

    http://www.nba.com/warriors/index_main.html

    Coach has real man love for this guy. I share many of your views,but I agree with the site administrator that we should be civil about this. No use hoping or waiting for something bad to happen to Smart, Law, Curry, Ellis,etc., it's time to move on. I am the one who is the longtime fan. I'm so old I'm not computer literate and have to post as "anonymous" because I don't know how to do otherwise.

    Anyway, I would like to see the Warriors succeed (eventually..it's not my prognosis for now) and Jeremy too. It looks though like these two things are mutually exclusive. From other posters it appears the Warriors can get out of their contract in January. To me, this means if Law doesn't make it, they will bring up Miles. Miles might actually be cheaper than Lin's minimum rookie contract.

    All that said, I agree with those who say #7 might best be served by moving on if the scenario above happens. My preference still would be that he is the 12th man on the Warrior bench because that would be better for Bay Area fans, but as you all know well by now, it isn't about the fans. They will come out no matter what the team puts out on the floor.

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  25. Hello again, I finally did figure out how to post as "Ron"

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  26. I think I read this before but wanted to make sure: so because of JLin's contract term with the Warriors, another team can't just pick him up right? And at this point he's stuck in the sense that if he goes anywhere other than the Warriors, it's to the D-League...

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  27. Well, if after Jan 10th (according to another poster) the Warriors decide to waive Lin, then he becomes a free-agent and can sign with any team, as far as I know.

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  28. It doesn't matter when Jeremy Lin is waived, if he's waived...the Warriors not only lose his rights but owe him the money they guaranteed. I think he got that money upfront, but either way he will get paid what he's owed. Once Jeremy Lin clears waivers, he's free to sign with any NBA team assuming a NBA team wants to sign him. The Warriors can waive him today if they wanted too.

    @ Jeremy not LIN: Yes, as long as he's on the Warriors...being sent to the D-League means he's a NBA player and the Warriors have his rights. Another NBA team can only call him up through the D-League if he's not signed by an NBA team, like Joe Alexander. Again, also being sent to the D-League as a NBA player means he's #1 priority. He will see major minutes there.

    @ Anonymous - 2:19AM:

    Jeremy Lin most likely wouldn't receive any meaningful minutes with the Lakers. Derek Fisher and Steve Blake are already carrying that load. Shannon Brown could also see minutes there, if needed. Jeremy Lin also already missed training camp which is a crucial part of learning the triangle. Phil Jackson is also notoriously known to not play rookies. Jeremy Lin also doesn't have a reliable jumper which is crucial at that PG spot in the triangle. Jeremy Lin might get some minutes here and there, but he would most likely be there to develop. If Jeremy Lin started initially signed with the Lakers, went through training camp, and showed exceptional progression through the season maybe Phil plays him sometimes.

    Otherwise,only way Jeremy would get minutes is through injuries or garbage time with the Lakers. This is why Caracter got minutes which is because their centers were injured. However, Caracter had some terrible moments including Jeremy getting a And1 against him.

    Sasha Vujacic couldn't even get minutes because Shannon Brown has been doing so well, which is also why he was traded. Clear up cap space and get Sasha some minutes which he wanted. Devin Ebanks is a SF with good future potential, but he barely gets minutes too because of Barnes and Phil's "son" aka Luke Walton.

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  29. "Miles might actually be cheaper than Lin's minimum rookie contract."

    I don't think it would. Miles has 1 year of prior NBA experience from 2005, so the minimum salary should be $762K. Lin had the minimum rookie salary which is $473K.

    http://www.nba.com/news/cba_minimumsalary_050804.html

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  30. man, I do not know that Coach has so much love for Acie Law, I could not believe what I have heard from a coach on a potential player, man, I guess this is gonna be something!!!

    Can you guys watch the clip and see how much the affections are !!!

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  32. Lin will never get minutes under Smart. Remember: Keith Smart only got the job because he's buddy-buddy with Steph, Monta, and Biedrins. Also, Smart had to wait many years for his head-coaching chance so he sees no reason to give JL any time as a rookie.

    Smart plays vets and people he personally knows. He was no basketball IQ. That's why he's never gotten his head coaching chance until this interim gig. No intelligent GM would ever trust Keith Smart with running an NBA team.

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  33. According to ESPN.com Lin is guaranteed half of the first year contract and there is a team option for the second. http://bayarea.sbnation.com/2010/7/20/1579725/report-jeremy-lin-to-receive-multi

    January 10 seems a little early prorated but maybe they just pay him the half early if they want. Waiving him would surely be an indicator they don't think he can make it (I do)

    Ron is probably thinking about 10 day contracts for Miles. My own thought is they will need room for Rodney Carney eventually.

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  34. http://twitter.com/warriorsworld/status/15824586746634240

    "Jeremy Lin last one in the gym, still working on his shot/finishing with contact at the rim as I left, a good hour + after practice ended"

    This is a baller. But hey, Acie Law had 3 good minutes against the T-Wolves. So Lin, his defense, his work ethic, his outh, and his big game against the Lakers can go to D-League. After all, Smart prefers hanging out with Acie and that's what wins ball games!!

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  35. good info above.

    i would take a developing young guard who stays 1+ hour after practice working to improve each day than a proven scrub. especially on a team that is rebuilding. AND especially when the point guard is a legitamate 6'3" PG with great defensive awareness. AND especially one who is strong and athletic as lin is. warriors.. bleh.

    warriors have so many holes in it's rebuilding year and it's not funny. they will never be successful if they don't change their decision makers. the first one that needs to go is riley. then smart. then the small 2-guards. a good gm needs recognize and bring in players that are correct pieces to the whole puzzle to achieve a good balance of size, scoring, defense, and heart. a good coach is one who has command of his players and run an organized style of basketball. a small 2 guard that gets punished on the defensive end is the core of their problem. the current warriors fo is stuck on the idea that monta/curry can not rest because of a lack of backup pg. this is ridiculous. monta/curry combo consistently lose by 15pts in the first quarter has nothing to do with the backup pg.

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  36. I agree with the above comments, some pieces are not put in right places and such favor-play is not for the team. It is doomed.

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