Saturday, December 18, 2010

Game #26 @ Portland

This could be Jeremy's last game before being sent to the D-League. It could be his last game in a Warrior uniform. Who knows? At least we know that he'll be in uniform tonight with Curry, Biedrins, and BWright out and possibly Carney as well. I actually think there are some good matchups for Jeremy tonight as the Trailblazers have some big but not ultra athletic guards (Wes Matthews 6' 5", Rudy Fernandez 6'5", Andre Miller 6'3"). We'll see. The Blazers also have a bunch of guys out as well, Przybilla, Camby, Batum, and Brandon Roy.

74 comments:

  1. "It could be his last game in a Warrior uniform. Who knows?"

    Let's not get hysterical. It's a given that the Warriors will stink again this year. If Smart, Law, and both Curry-and-Monta are still here next year -- that'll be a miracle.

    If Lin goes to D-League, he'll be back in the spring. No doubt. He has shown promise, defense, and is a fan favorite. No way Lacob lets Lin go after only this stint. There are definitely NBA teams who'd take JL in a heartbeat (whether as a 13-15th man or a "priority" D-League assignment.

    Look what happened to Marco Bellinelli (another Summer League sensation). Golden State didn't know what to do with him, but now he's a starter (albeit barely) on the Hornets, a contending team.

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  2. GSW tends to waste or ignore talents has not been new to the fans. Nothing has changed since the new owner..

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  3. Unlike Lin, Law doesn't get his stats from mainly blown out games. He get them when the game is on the line and when competition is the toughest.

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  4. really? didn't law play just 3 minutes well against the wolves where he totally sucked all night? lin played against the toughest teams where no other warriors were doing well either.

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  5. the only reason law is still in this league is because he is former buddies with monta and smart.

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  6. Law is of no concern to me. I wish him well. My fan interest is in #7's career. He has some options and it's fun to speculate what the next step will be.

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  7. if lin was law playing against portland right now, he'd get yanked. law continues to get favoritism.

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  8. "...when competition is the toughest."

    Lol. Yeah, those terrifying T-Wolves!!

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  9. well, keith smart got his point guard of choice and yet they are still getting blown out by mediocre teams

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  10. JL also had a good game against the Rockets in "real time" -- played better than Law did and against far better competition.

    It's not like Warriors signed Earl Watson or Ty Lawson. Acie Law is trash -- even his stats are crap compared to Jeremy. And JL is a rookie! Imagine how much better Lin would be with regular minutes.

    Even Charlie Bell and Rad are complaining how hard it is to play without a regular bench rotation -- a standard thing on an NBA team not coached by a moron.

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  11. fire smart or fans fire GSW -- as simple as that.

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  12. as a fan watching GSW is really pathetic....
    need to switch channel now

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  13. unwatchable game after game. why?
    FO should provide an explanation....

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  14. Haha, Law travels and then is too lazy to close on Patty Mills -- who buries a big 3 uncontested.

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  15. yes we have to follow the "law" LOL

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  16. yes waive JLin and set him free ... from a miserable organization

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  17. what is wrong with smart?! carney lead the comeback charge for a chance to win it at the end and smart calls a time-out just to pull him out on the last possession??

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  18. smart is for real --- to kill GSW and fans

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  19. Alaw stat

    Played 18:36 with 2 point 2 ast and 1 to 2 foul

    Any comment

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  20. at least monta actually ran around for acie.

    is lin a cheerleader on the bench? the warriors sure overpaid for him just to hi-five guys. hey at least he got confidence doing it.

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  21. "Unlike Lin, Law doesn't get his stats from mainly blown out games. He get them when the game is on the line and when competition is the toughest. "


    ahaha. ahhahahah..

    nice stat line for law tonight. law fangirl.
    at least with JLin, you could throw 2-3 steals and 2-3 blocks in 18 minutes.

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  22. Warrior pay twice much to play Alaw and Smart choice not to play Jlin.

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  23. i liked "follow the law" thing :)

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  24. Warrior pay charlie 3 million to sit at bench and high - 5.

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  25. i thought jlin fangirls demanding for jlin to start were pathetic.

    law fangirls are 10x worse.

    wake me when journeyman law does anything remotely similar to lin:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghv46oE34uo#t=1m45s

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  26. see how warrior play's salary

    Amundson Louis 2.22 Mill
    Bell, Charlie 3.8 mill
    Biedrins, Andris 9 mill
    carney, Rodney 0.91 mill
    Curry, Stephan 2.91 ill
    Ellis, monta 11 mill
    Gadzuric, Dan 7.2 mill
    Law Acie 0.88 mill
    Lee, David 10.8 mill
    Lin, Jeremy 0.47 mill
    Rad vladimir 6.88 mill
    udoh, Ekpe 3.06 mill
    William, reggie 0.76 mill
    wrght, brandan 3.3 mill
    wright, dorell 3.5 mill

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  27. Oh man, looking at that payroll tells you one clear thing: Larry Riley is a total idiot.

    -9M for Biedrins
    -11M for Lee
    -4M for Bell
    -7M for Gad
    -7M for Rad

    You can't make this stuff up. This is the FO that decided Lin has to go to D-League in favor of Acie Law?

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  28. 9 and 11 million for two finesse scrubs....

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  29. Most NBA teams have one or two awful contracts. The Warriors have FIVE. Why is Riley still there???

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  30. I didn't even mention Brendan Wright out of charity (good player if healthy) -- he could easily be considered a SIXTH terrible contract.

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  31. every season they sign a few scrubs...whether from D-League or from FA pool...they sign some scrubs and then put them in high pace offense with green light...and everybody will say...Golden State Management has an eye for talent...lol...but nobody cares that at the end of the day, their team blows.

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  32. I guarantee you little Patty Mills (Portland's backup PG) does not drop 12 on Jeremy Lin. Also, Law played 18 minutes and somehow recorded no steals, no blocks, no rebounds. But hey, Acie Law "looks more comfortable" out there!!

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  33. lol yeah. he looks more comfortable sucking since he's so use to it. and it looks like keith smart is looking more and more comfortable with giving excuses in post game interviews after each lost.

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  34. i think smart is getting so desperate to keep his job. he gets his guy acie and after winning against a crappy wolves team at home, he's like.. "see that! now we are winning because of my guy!" lol. now he doesn't have to play lin since lin doesn't want to give up the ball to monta. so monta still loves smart and all is well for their buddy system. it's all about politics man!

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  35. "it looks like keith smart is looking more and more comfortable with giving excuses in post game interviews after each lost."

    I agree with you

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  36. Well folks...I can't bare to watch the games anymore. But just checked the stats tonight and saw that the Warriors lost by one point. And then I look down to see if JLin got any minutes..."DNP". Okay, I then check another bench player...yeap, Law played 18 minutes and got 2 pts and zero rebounds...and pretty much did nothing on the court. Than explains why they lost. In the 18 minutes, Law must have danced around playing tag with the Blazers...and he got burned. Boy, that is sad... Well, I'll say it again...please do us a favor, cut Smart loose. It's getting ugly in there. Until then, the Warriors are going to continue to lose more fans.

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  37. could this be a racial thing lin is not playing? it seems these black players and coach are not allowing lin to succeed. law is not any better than lin and yet smart keeps gushing over him.

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  38. At this point it seems Smart is being driven to desperation and is in denial. I guess when it's hard to coach a team of multiple selfish players, the coach lets up and starts getting selfish himself as well... on top of that, it just seems like he keeps throwing players he 'trusts' on the court where there's no real chemistry or dynamic. Not to mention overplaying the vets to the demise of the team.
    Oh well, I wish JLin the best if he goes to the D-league. Keep playing hard and I'm sure things will work out for you, man!

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  39. well, they were down by double-digits at around 6 mins left in the 4th but then carney hit a few 3's to get them back into it. and then smart calls a time-out, yanked carney and pretty much says "i'm going to draw up a play and take all the credit for this one" but monta misses the last shot. end of story.

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  40. Let's review Acie vs Jeremy per-48 stats this year. First number is for Acie, second is for Jeremy.

    FG%: 24%, 31%
    3PT%: 10.0%, 0%
    FT%: 74%, 69%
    STL: 1.93, 6.40
    BLK: 0.00, 2.13
    TO: 4.2, 3.6
    PF: 4.5, 5.0
    REB: 5.2, 4.3
    AST: 5.8, 5.3
    PTS: 10.3, 11.0

    Critics say that Jeremy shoots poorly, Acie only shoots 24%. They say J turns the ball over, Acie turns it over more. They say J stalls the offense, actually J is about the same AST/min as Acie. J scores more. And of course, J blows everyone else away in steals and blocks.

    People say that Acie looks more comfortable and confident. While stats don't tell the entire picture, they do measure productivity. Even if Jeremy doesn't look comfortable or confident yet, his productivity is not worse than Acie's.

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  41. Anon December 19, 2010 12:06 AM, it's not a racial thing, it's a politics thing. people who are in control are fearing for their jobs. they don't have the talents to win games so they are resorting to desperate moves trying to make themselves look good. it's not working. and i hope owners recognizes what these people are doing is not helping the organization in the long run.

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  42. real-dsb, and that's not even putting into account the difficult teams lin had to go up against on the road and in a stretch where everybody played poorly. AND the fact that he was thrown in for 3-4 minutes at a time.

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  43. I think something ironic might happen. I heard Fitzgerald say Gadzuric has a groin pull. OMG, I think that would mean Lin stays on the roster. I really would like to see Lin go somewhere else. I've posted before, my first choice would be GSW but this is an impossible situation. FREE JLIN!

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  44. i suggest everyone head over to csnbayarea.com and post the truth. acie is not much better than lin and yet the media keeps on ignoring the truth. i made a few comments about this on their articles especially that matt steinmetz guy.

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  45. I am as pissed as anyone, but prefer not to hate on Law. I absolutely could care less about him. The W's deserve him. Got to give credit to the team, they did make a pretty good comeback. They probably win that game if Curry is available. Monta had a good look, but he played terribly overall.


    I read earlier that attendance is down by 900. The only way to send a message to Lacob is for that number to continue to go down.

    The only thing I really hate is Cohan is sitting somewhere on a pile of money laughing his head off, while the rest of us throw our money away. Come to think of it, Cohan and George Bush are probably hanging out together somewhere yucking it up. Sorry to get political, that's how upsetting this whole business is.

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  46. Something went amiss in the past few weeks. Jeremy Lin's season peaked when he played well in Houston. The next game, he went 0-4 when he got swatted on a bunch of layups.

    It seemed Jeremy would be on the verge of getting 8 to 12 minutes a game. He's bring the ball up, pass it or maybe occasionally look for a shot or two. But then he doesn't play consistently in a while. It is obvious he's lost confidence. The Warriors don't publicly talk about Lin much but I wonder what happens behind the scenes.

    How is Jeremy doing at practice? I do believe he needs to go to the D-League to get his flow back. Whether the Warriors cut him or not is not a concern. If Jeremy plays well in the D-League, he will get another shot somewhere else.

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  47. good thing I didn't WASTE my time catching the game tonite...

    Thanks Mr. Smart.

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  48. I agree with those who say no use complaining about Law. He doesn't control who gets minutes. Acie is a symptom, the disease is the FO.

    Stay positive about Lin. There is an interesting website where this statistical nerd analyzes the Warriors.

    http://thecity2.com/2010/12/12/ezpm-yet-another-model-for-player-evaluation/

    What's really interesting is he uses something called EZPM100 to determine who is most effective. Jeremy ranks 4th overall on the team, but even more interesting, he is rated as the most effective defender on the team.

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  49. It's very simple. JL has one bad night, one bad play even, and he gets benched. Law gets major and regular minutes right away no matter how he plays. Again, it's not like they brought in an actual quality backup. A promising, cheap rookie should not be sitting in favor of a veteran scrub who just got cut by the Grizz.

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  50. I believe the difference between Lin and Law is so much about perception. Not to be racial but Law "looks" the part more than Lin who sticks out. Also, Lin attacks the basket more and so you notice things like blocked shots more than Law who takes safer jumpers (and misses most of them - but at least they weren't blocked). In addition, Lin's driving gets him into trouble sometimes when he gets trapped in the corner or under the basket whereas Law never holds the ball that long.

    So basically, Law looks more like an NBA player and plays a safe game so the mistakes are not as noticeable. Law quietly plays 15-18 unproductive minutes and so far people don't seem to mind. But if you put in Lin and his shot gets blocked or he drives and the ball bounces off his leg out of bounds, people think he is terrible even though the production might even be a bit better than Law.

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  51. great point mr chuckles. lin definately stick out. all eyes are on him and on the offensive side of the floor especially on this team. law played yet another horrible game today and not one mention about it from stupid dubs fans on any of the popular boards.

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  52. well, lucky law, i guess with coach's care, he will be fine ,lol

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  53. Acie Law and Mr. Smart remind me of teacher's pet...oops..er... I meant teacher's aide.

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  54. Agree with those who say don't bother about Law. The problem with playing time is "DNP Coach's Decision" Smart is the one controlling minutes. Recall in the Mercury News post a few weeks ago, Smart made a comment that basically said he would be a better PG than Lin right now ("I'm next.")

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  55. Agree 2. Boycott Warriors because FO does a lousy job, not because they won't play Lin.

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  56. dammit, my mother wants to see Lin Shu How play !!!

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  57. the problem with this organization is larry riley. they need to fire this guy asap! his plan for a rebuilding year centers around a tiny shooting guard. nothing good can come of it.

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  58. Mr. Chuckles is 100% correct. Lin is very effective in his minutes, but people like to focus on his errors, whether intentionally or unintentionally (there is a history of "accidental" glass ceilings for minorities or folks that don't look the part). Ultimately, Lin is still more effective than Law, Bell, and many other Warriors; he just doesn't "look" as good doing it. I am glad that the statistical system actually captures Lin's effectiveness. For compariosn, look at some of Jason Kidd's games over the years; his shooting stats weren't always great, but he helped the team win with boards, steals, help defense, many other factors. I am sure that if Lin got consistent minutes, he would produce, and for sure the Warriors would be no worse off. It is easier to underestimate and improperly value players in basketball than in other sports because there are so many components to winning games that doesn't show up before the casual fan and on the scorecard.

    Ultimately, it is up to the smart coach and the smart front office to figure this out, assuming that winning is actually a priority.

    Lin is a good player and will get better. He just needs to keep his head up. Wherever he ends up will be the beneficiary.

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  59. In fairness to Riley, I suppose we should wait to see what happens when (hopefully) the full squad is healthy. It's clear though that Lin isn't in the plan, so once again, I say:

    Free JLin!

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  60. Just checked out:

    http://thecity2.com/2010/12/12/ezpm-yet-another-model-for-player-evaluation/

    It is very interesting. Using a metric called D100 the conclusion is that #7 is the most effective defender on the team.

    Frankly, I don't understand the calculation used to get the measure. I'm Chinese, but lousy at math. lol I buy the conclusion though.

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  61. lol that's funny! i'm not sure if you actually meant that as a joke or not but it seems the joke about riley among fans is his "wait and see" attitude. question though, is how many more years are you going to wait until riley really runs this organization into the ground?

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  62. Don't blame others. Jeremy needs to step up. He's shooting like crap, something that's mostly under his control. He's not that tall, not that big or strong or fast. Shooting is something that shouldn't be affected much in transition from ivy league to nba.

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  63. Lol, yeah, Acie Law and his 16% shooting with the Grizzlies really earned JL's backup role!

    But seriously, the whole "wait till the Warriors are healthy" is a garbage argument. 1) Every team has injuries. 2) The Warriors keep bringing weak/brittle players onto their roster and then overwork them. Smart and Riley and Rowell ALL need to go ASAP.

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  64. if they really want to rebuild they need to fire the head monkey rowell and then the rest of the monkey lineage. only after these monkeys are gone so too will the curse.

    it's quite simple. if you have these guys giving multiyear contracts to trash players with weak defensive presence, you are stuck for years to come. find a gm that can bring in guys who can not only score, but can also play defense and isn't selfish.

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  65. The comments here are reaching and passing total absurdity.

    JL does not play any minutes with the Warriors, one of the worst teams in the league, for no other reason than he is not good enough to get any minutes. That's the beginning and the end of it. Stop clamoring racism, favoritism, incompetence, and any other nonsense. In the NBA if you are good, you will get the minutes, period. He is not good enough and he does not get any.

    It would be good to stop also the ridiculous statistical 'analysis'. JL does not have the minutes to make any stats comparison valid.

    Let's not even talk about the so called 'poor defenders' Curry and Ellis who suppossedly are so much worse than JL. Ellis and Curry are #3-4 among *all players in the league* in steals. The only category that JL would lead if he played Ellis-type minutes is turnovers.

    And leave alone Acie Law, a limited-skills player who any impartial observer knows is light years ahead of JL.

    Finally, leave JL alone to do with his career what he can, instead of making him a vehicle for so many to relieve their basketball and racial inferiority complexes.

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  66. Reality Now! How many times have I told you not to wave your walking cane around at those nice young kids?

    LOL reminds me of this clip:
    http://mulattodebate.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=4799827&trail=15

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  67. lmao at reality now. are you sayin everyone here is asian? i'm black you fool! and i agree with most of the points made here. lin is rookie who is lightyears ahead of acie in every aspect of the game. and the stats only confirms it. he isn't as good as monta/curry at scoring but he's way better than them defensively. him ranking 1st in blocks and steals in limited minutes is amazing. you gotta be a hater to ignore that. the cat can play.. nuff said. btw, does anyone have his stats summer-league?

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  68. Oops. Didn't mean to get people riled up ("Riley-ed up?") with my "wait and see" comment.What I'm trying to say is the Warriors and Jeremy Lin have become 2 separate matters to me. Although it's not official, I think Lin is going to move on. Thus I'm hoping that along with other long suffering W's fans that moves such as Lee, Wright, Carney etc. will improve the team incrementally. There's no bigger #7 fan, but I will admit that at this very moment, Acie Law, due to more experience, not ability, is more useful. Improvement at this point means maybe 35 wins. Wow, talk about diminished expectations.

    My expectations for Jeremy Lin are higher. Yes, it is a matter of Asian Pride for me. I was hoping for a 2 for 1 deal. An Asian who could ball and make the W's better. With time, that might have happened, but for me it's on two separate tracks right now.

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  69. Jlin needs to go to another team and play against GSW and showcase his true talent. He needs to show what a dumb team GSW and Coach Smart is. It would be foolish for him to stay with GSW cuz they're not mentally there. Their skill are mediocre and the only game they'll win will be against crappy team. All in all, bad choice for Jlin to be here. He should have known before he parked here. Needs to assess who the team mates are and what coach will be there. His attitude reminds me of the righteous religious goody boy attitude of Michael Chang in Tennis. To excel in sport and gain respect, you gotta be cocky and be able to back it up.

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  70. He needs some tattoos also. I still don't understand why this team has so many players that are similar in size and play the same role. Jeremy Lin, you need to be vocal and demand time and minutes, they signed you to a contract, you can play or not, but you have to stand up for yourself. Go to D-league, see their ticket sales drop, see what happens, but stand up for yourself.

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  71. "In the NBA if you are good, you will get the minutes, period."

    That is not always true. Good players may *eventually* get minutes, but not necessarily from the start. For example, Udoh should be getting more minutes. Sometimes players don't fit the system and don't the minutes.

    "JL does not have the minutes to make any stats comparison valid."

    You don't understand statistical validity. The more samples you have, the higher your confidence that the data was not due to random chance. If you have less samples, doesn't mean the data is totally invalid, it just means there could be more random fluctuations.

    Example: Biedrins is 5/20 FT on the year. 20 samples is not a big number, but it can already tell you a lot. It would be highly unlikely for a good FT shooter to go 5/20. On the other hand, it's quite likely that Biedrins is a bad FT shooter and will probably end the year under 50%.

    Lin has 135 minutes played. While that's not a lot, it's enough to give indications and a range of what his stats will be at the end of the year. To prove the point, look at the October NBA stats. At that point, most NBA teams had played 3 games, so about 100 mins for starters. Of the top 10 scorers after 100 mins, 4 are still in the top 10 and 5 are in the top 25.
    http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgPoints/qualified/false/split/39

    "Let's not even talk about the so called 'poor defenders' Curry and Ellis who suppossedly are so much worse than JL. Ellis and Curry are #3-4 among *all players in the league* in steals."

    It depends how you get the steals. You can get steals by playing poor defense and gambling. If you watched the games, you'd see that Ellis and Curry do not play great defense. (My take is that Curry's ankle limits his defense, and Ellis has to conserve energy since he plays so many mins.) Lin gets his steals while playing good defense.

    "The only category that JL would lead if he played Ellis-type minutes is turnovers."

    Lin has a lower turnover rate than both Ellis and Curry. Per 36 mins stats from
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2011.html:

    Ellis 4.6 ast, 2.1 stl, 3.0 to, 1.5 A/TO
    Curry 6.0 ast, 2.3 stl, 3.4 to, 1.8 A/TO
    Lin 4.0 ast, 4.8 stl, 2.7 to, 1.5 A/TO

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  72. I would like to clarify my position regarding statistics. I'm not using them to lobby for more minutes for Lin, rather to show he has the potential to make it somewhere. I use Jeter of Sacramento as a benchmark. He is a rookie PG
    His game stats against the Rockets:

    11 min 1-2 0-0 2r 1s 2a total 2 pt

    I'm the one who wants to charter the party bus to Sacramento. Lin could match these stats right now.

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  73. real-dsb, I agree completely with your analysis. Good, even excellent players do not always get the opportunity early on in a team sport. Stats are an excellent indicator as well, even in limited sample sizes.

    I would only add that the only stat that is tougher to read in limited playing time is FG% because everyone knows that it usually takes a few shots to get warmed up. If you only 1-2 shots a game, you never get hot. Interestingly, this is the only stat where JLin comes up a bit short. One might also want to say he is a bit low in assists, but Lin is sometimes not the PG when he is in the game, and he NEVER gets a fastbreak outlet pass, which is where PGs get the easiest assists, and even when he is PG, he rarely gets a pick and roll or multiple touches in the frontcourt, so this also makes his stats numbers worse than his actual performance.

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