Thursday, December 9, 2010

Game #23 vs. Miami on ESPN 7:30pm

73 comments:

  1. Now that the Heat have figured out how to play together, the only way the Ws have a chance is if Dorrell, Reggie, and Monta all get super hot from 3-pt range.

    If I were the coach, I'd play Lin 30+ mins this game because it's an unwinnable game, so the whole game will be garbage time. But I know that in reality, coach will give 40+ mins to Ellis at "point guard" and Reggie at SG after his 31 pt game.

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  2. If anything, Smart would probably play Acie Law. Since, you know, veteran point guard. :shakes head:

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  3. "Golden State needed to add some point guard depth after Stephen Curry rolled his ankle yet again Wednesday night."

    The hell? Acie Law a bust journey man loser is Keith Dumb's backup point savior now? Bring back Nelly or head to Dallas JLin.

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  4. JLin probably won't play

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  5. Acie Law isn't even better than Lin is NOW (forget JL with more experience).

    Meanwhile, Warriors look the same without Curry. Reggie doing a fine job shooting...thought he can't pass or defend. Almost same as Steph. And costs less, too.

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  6. Acie Law is in.. sighs...

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  7. And promptly misses a wide-open 3. Lin could have done that.

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  8. jesus H he just signed with the team less than 24 hours ago and already in the game? did he get one practice in or heck meet all the players yet? Keith Dumb's Christmas has come early apparently...acie law

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  9. if only jeremy was allowed to play more than 5 mins...

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  10. smart obviously doesn't know how to coach. he just throws players in there and say "give me something"

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  11. Smart favors Law because Law is like him -- a lousy journeyman who's stuck around the NBA despite doing nothing of value.

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  12. Even as a vet, Law is worse than Lin as a rookie. Offensively the same (misses 3, draws FTs, misses a drive). Defensively a non-factor.

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  13. Here's hoping Jeremy gets a 7 or 8 minute run just for comparison. If not, and it's Acie Law...I quit until there's new coaching. Hopefully his agent is watching.

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  14. I think now I'm just gonna start not watching the Ws game nomore until Coach Smart Actually becomes Smarter...... its just boring to watch now, the only thing tht keeps me watching is Lin.

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  15. The one thing Law does is he plays with more confidence than Jeremy. He isn't any better, and is less effective defensively. He got burned twice by Chalmers. Am rapidly coming to the conclusion as with other posters that for whatever reason, the W's don't care for Lin. There's a place for him somewhere but he needs to step it up, if he gets a chance.

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  16. Garbage time rapidly approaching. Question is, Law or Lin?

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  18. Smart is a moron -- it's basic sports science. When a team is so much more talented than you, you have to REDUCE possessions and hope they have an off-night. That requires help defense and motion offense...which the Ws refuse to do and what Lin does best.

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  19. That's how Butler won so many tourney games last March and almost knocked off Duke.

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  20. right on about the confidence thing. lin needs to act like "he just don't care". go out there and do your thing! coaches and fans in this league aren't harvard graduates. when you act like you are intense in learning the game, they will think you actually don't know the game. so, play and act like you know the game because it's quite simple.. drive, shoot, look for the open man, pass!!

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  21. also, don't worry about running the plays coaches talk about. THIS TEAM NEVER RUN ANY PLAYS. you can't run a play with 4 other guys aren't participating. it will all be on your shoulders!!

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  22. dood seriously put lin in, acie law isn't doing good from as non-bias point of view i can say

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  23. What Lebron did in the 3rd qtr...nobody not even Lin can stop that... I like Lin but its clear to me that he has zero confidence offensively. Maybe it is coach Smart but you make your opportunities when ur on the court whether it's 1 minute or 10 minutes. Otherwise u are just another Brendan Wright....

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  24. he has no confidence because no one has confidence in him. he needs to just act like he is confident and people will start having confidence in him

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  25. worst coach in all of basketball. street-ball plus no defense equals blowout games

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  26. Lin is coming in!

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  27. Lin finally coming in! So is Udoh.

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  28. why the new owner sill keeps Smart as Head Coach?
    no other team has 0-10 record for the last 10 games except GSW. and you think GSW will win at Utah? it's more of 0-11 after next game..... total disappointment on GSW now....

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  29. "america's favorite garbage time player"

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  30. well he is HAHAHAHA

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  31. Lin is in.... N his first play was nearly a turnover... C mon... At least Udoh hustled.

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  32. Lin with the sweet steal...blows a layup. Typical.

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  33. typical troll comment there.
    lin attacked the lane against their bigs, that's what you want to see from your point guards.

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  34. Lin looks extra sharp tonight, nice going with the garbage garbage time Keith Dumb.

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  35. Acie Law played 18:12mins and this is his first game as Warriors.. Did Jeremy ever get this kind of mins.??

    "America's favorite garbage time player" sad but true.. thanks to Mr. Smart.

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  36. No wonder his FG% is so low. He takes one shot per game after being cold for 46 minutes. He needs to be in the game for his defense if nothing else.

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  37. no, thanks to Mr. Dumb :)

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  38. To Jeremy:

    Just in case you read this blog. Keep your head up. Don't get discouraged. There's a place for you in the NBA.

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  39. Ok but seriously, we all know confidence is everything in life. Jeremy had confidence at Harvard, but not so much in the NBA, which happens to a lot of people. Jeremy is smart enough to know how much confidence affects his gameplay, after all we know he isn't dumb. Therefore, if he knows this, then let is confidence keep building, and others will build confidence in him.

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  40. JLin limits himself to attacking the basket. That's too much predictable to the defender...it can be told by all the blocked shot Jlin got from recent games.

    He should start shooting 10+ footer from outside the paint area; and mix with penetrating, floater or layups.... it creates all kinds of dynamic scenarios and his shots will naturally fall in...

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  41. he's consistent in his defense and i think that's a huge plus as most people are unwilling to learn that part of the game. his offense will come but he does need more playing time. it would be interesting to know how he does during practice and if that's why smart doesn't play him.

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  42. Lin probably does read these comments. Coach is damn retarded.

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  43. I believe I read somewhere that Lin isn't a good practice player. Maybe that's part of the problem. Just watched Smart on the post game. He says Monta and Acie are friends. That's a problem too.

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  44. Just in case Joe Lacob reads this blog,I'd like him to know his $450 million investment is becoming unwatchable. Not just Lin. It's Curry calling himself superstar in your commercials and Monta playing 1 on 5. I think I'll take a leave of absence as a W's fan until you make some improvements...new coach?

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  45. Law has been on the Warriors before. There's a rapport and familiarity with the coaching staff. I am not surprised that he gets immediate playing time. He looked unimpressive as usual, but yeah, he was moving around with confidence.
    Same old story with the Warriors though.. Outrebounded, poor defense, silly turn overs.
    Hang in there, Jeremy. Keep working on your game. You'll be all right.

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  46. Dear Mr. Lacob,

    As soon as you get a real coach, I'll be buying my season tickets.

    Thank you.

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  47. Is it just me or did Acie suck tonight and no one is giving him crap for it? Acie played 18 mins and he was 0-4 fg and 0-2 3p with 1 ast. Jeremy played 3 mins and got 0-1 fg 2ast 1stl (even though it was garbage time). I would much rather have seen Jeremy play instead. It's frustrating to have to watch 2+ hours of less than stellar bball (from the warriors) to watch 3 mins of Jeremy. I keep holding onto this hope that smart will put Jeremy in early and I don't want to miss it but maybe next game I'll just tune into the last 5 mins.

    On the plus side, Jeremy looked great tonight but he flew under the radar.

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  48. This makes Lin look really bad, the fact that they gave 18 mins (more than Lin had gotten in any game all year) to a journeyman scrub they just picked up from the unemployment line, cut by the Grizzlies, and is now shooting 13% FG on the year.

    I think that this shows that the Ws don't have a real system, it's just pickup basketball. Otherwise, you don't just add some unproven newcomer to the rotation.

    But that's all right, that's the story of Lin's bball life (no college offers, etc.). I think the same theme will apply to his NBA career.

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  49. @C Dub,

    Nice username. I love it!

    Good point about Law having been on the Ws previously, so the coaching staff was already familiar with him.

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  50. Boy, I watched the first half of the basketball game last night. After waiting half of the game for Lin to come in, I just finally gave up and turned the damn thing off! Tired of waiting around to see if he comes in. Smart is just a horrible coach based on the games this season so far. It seems that he no strategy for the games or how best to use his players. He comes up with some crazy rotations and is never consistent with the players. How can you develop the players when you just randomly experiment with this person and that person. I certainly can't see any pattern to his rotations other than playing the starters heavy minutes. And when asked about the game, he still thinks they are going to be a "good" basketball team.

    What the hell is he smoking? You're losing your shorts, and you still think you're a good basketball team? What you need is to make some strategic changes, like perhaps putting JLin in there for more minutes and try to play some defense? May not be the best choice, but at least you can try that. Heck, you at least get the fans behind you for that. Instead, Smart is living in fantasy land. He's probably still thinking they're going to the play-offs.

    Bottomline, I'd give Smart a "D" thus far. I just don't see him having the "smarts" to coach at the NBA level. He's more of a sideline cheerleader...than a game planner. From game 1 to now, I've yet to see him make any kind of game adjustments to give the Warriors a chance to win, except play the two guards until their wheels fall apart.

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  51. Reading the Mercury News this morning and find the writers thought Acie did a good job and Smart plans to give him minutes. This means of course that #7 is out. I'm taking a Leave of Absence too like anonymous 10:29. I'll tape the game to see if Jeremy gets in and I'll read these posts, but otherwise...I'm Out.

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  52. let's see, 18:14mins played, 0-4 FG , 3-4 FT, 3 rebs 1 assist and 2 blocked shot against.
    WOW.. what a good job indeed.

    The only thing I can give him is that he did it with confidence, something that Jeremy really lacks of, but its not entirely all Jeremy's fault because Mr. Smart keeps yanking him outta game due to others mistakes (not passing the ball, not hustling, not playing defense, not making the shots, etc.) rather than his own. Again, thanks to Mr. Smart.

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  53. no, thanks to Mr. Dumb...

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  54. JLin will soon have a new coach...either way could happen depends on who is holding the breath the longer.

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  55. For all the frustrated folks...here is an old interview with the new owner back in August about why he signed JLin.

    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/08/17/lacob-interview-part-3-on-jeremy-lin-ellison-larry-riley-bold-moves-and-poker/

    So given the fact that the Warriors are aweful right now, and that Smart is more of a cheerleader, if anyone is going to go, I'd bet my hat that it would be Smart. Why? Who would want to kill the chicken that might lay the golden egg? If JLin develops and becomes a star...Mr. Lacob is truly sitting on a "gold mine" ("jinshan" as they often call the Bay Area in Chinese). Imagine the excitement of the fans locally, nationally, and internationally. The Warriors would probably sell a million JLin jerseys in a week. :)

    I'd give Mr. Lacob an "A" for foresight. He seems to have a good understanding of the game and the pieces you need to make a successful team. Go JLin!

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  56. There is too much criticism of JL current performance. JL has actually been doing exactly what is expected from him in the last 6-7 games. He is being asked to bring the ball up, distribute at the top, and fill the weak side to give floor balance. He is probably allowed to take open shots under the clock from that position (hasn't happenned yet). Otherwise, if he gets the ball there, he needs to pass back and rebalance by going to the other side.

    On defense, he is more free to help, but usually only when his man is in motion through the floor. Otherwise they usually let him guard his man without help (a compliment in a sense but that has resulted in some problems getting through screens).

    The problem is not what JL is doing, which he is doing well. The problem is that the Warriors have concluded that that is his role. They don't want him to shoot because the percentage is not there (in the NBA percentages are everything). They don't want him to drive because he simply is overmatched against NBA players and cannot finish. If he could shoot a decent percentage from outside it may be a bit different, but if everytime the bigs are waiting for you down there, very few players could score that way.

    The Warriors are a weak team, probably even a bad team, but they have had some injuries that have had major impact. They have actually played better for good stretches the last few games. But is is a work in progress at best. Smart has yet to find the keys or demonstrate that he can make it as a head coach (it should be granted that by all reports he was a very good assistant coach for years).

    If JL has not found a place in such a weak team, it is highly unlikely he would do so in any other NBA team with any other coach.

    JL skills are very limited for the NBA. He has one skill where he is definitely top-level: making steals. He's been great at it at all levels. But there really is not much else remarkable. He played college at what basically is a glorified high-school league and did well, but yet it was a HS level.

    There is also no such thing as "he will learn with hard work and the right opportunity". At these levels of performance you either have it or not. You need the raw talent. It's just not in sports; it's life in general. JL is not an NBA-caliber player and the sooner that is understood, the better for him.

    There is one area, however, where he could still build a modest career and for this he would definitely need the right coach and opportunity. He could develop as a defensive specialist at the guard position, which is a rarity in basketball, but that in the right situation can be an assest for a team that already has weapons everywhere else and is in contention (this would never work on a bad team). It would take some determination and plain luck to get this for JL.

    One of the absolute keys for any player is to understand well what are his talents and limitations. The first few games of this season I think have shown clearly what Lin can do and cannot do. The sooner he understands this and starts working towards a realistic path, the better.

    People are clamoring for more minutes for Lin. I hope that does not happen because the if he played extensive minutes as he is now, he will be exposed for his weaknesses and it will sink him as a player. Say what you want about Smart, but good coaches always avoid putting players in situations where they know they will probably fail.

    Hope Lin is able to evaluate himself clearly and work towards what may be realistic. Since he will need luck for that, I wish him all of the luck I can.

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  57. Reality Now,

    that's a great post. you saw both sides of the coin here and i have to say the things holding him back are the coaching and himself. he doesn't really look confident taking the 15 foot jumpshot and at the free throw line. he can attack the basket but he can't really finish. the last four drives i saw resulted in three blocks and a shot that hit the backboard.

    he got called out by jim barnett on tv for not finishing right.

    since the season is lost anyway, might as well play him extensive minutes so he will come back strong next year. if course keith will not do that since he's looking for a job next year too.

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  58. Disagree with "Reality Now".
    Ivy League is weak, but he has played against top notch teams and done very well. Potential is definitely present, and if you think he isn't a NBA caliber player then you must be blind. Hes a undrafted rookie, who is doing everything that is expected of him and more, and has shown in many instances that he is an NBA caliber player given development.

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  59. Reality Now

    Nice post and analysis, although I disagree about playing on a weak or bad team. My feeling is that Jeremy needs to find a good team to play for so that there isn't a need to rely on scoring, but rather on defense, passing, ball handling, etc. Check out Jason Kidd's stats from the last game.

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  60. They don't want him to shoot because the percentage is not there (in the NBA percentages are everything). They don't want him to drive because he simply is overmatched against NBA players and cannot finish. If he could shoot a decent percentage from outside it may be a bit different, but if everytime the bigs are waiting for you down there, very few players could score that way.
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    Unless his college career (dropped 30 on top seed UCONN) and Summer League was a complete fluke, you are greatly mistaken. The main reason I am following Jeremy is his ability to finish at the basket and agressive play in general which really surprised me. Very special to see in any rookie guard much less a so called stereotypically passive Asian baller, and the first Asian American in 63 years.


    JL skills are very limited for the NBA. He has one skill where he is definitely top-level: making steals. He's been great at it at all levels. But there really is not much else remarkable. He played college at what basically is a glorified high-school league and did well, but yet it was a HS level.
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    Again watch some of his college tapes or look for Summer League games on NBA tv. Yes #13 seed UCONN was glorified high-school team lol

    Someone pooped in this guy's breakfast? JLin can ball and nothing has changed in my opinion thus far. He needs minutes and needs go back to his offensive minded play first and foremost and the rest will follow.

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  61. i agree with glenn. he needs to go back to his scoring mentality. especially when this team ONLY look at the shooting percentages. if he doesn't shoot he is labeled as passive. if he tries to play the traditional pg style on this team he will fail. just as curry is failing right now. this team and the coaches are just not experienced enough to run an organized style of basketball.

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  62. Reality Now is completely wrong. Lin has all of the skills offensively and defensively to be in the NBA. He just needs more minutes and more touches when he is in the game. The more he shoots, the more the shots will fall as he warms up. Likewise, with more touches, he will get more assists and more opportunities to make things happen. His effect on the team is already very positive even in his limited role so far.

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  63. Reality Now is not objective. Using the guise of passive voice, he makes several assertions that are patently false:

    1. Glorified HS level? Jeremy played in the glorified HS level - in HS in California no less. And he won - took an underdog team and won the state championship.

    2. College opponents? Look at UConn, Georgetown, BU, BC, Cornell. He played teams with non Ivy experience and proved his mettle.

    3. NBA limits? How do you know what his limit is? Because he hasn't lit up the scoreboard every time he is in for 3 to 5 minutes? Does the Summer League not count? Does the Lakers game not count? The bench for the Lakers is a glorified HS team?

    If Jeremy is reading this and more importantly if Smart is reading this, this would help Jeremy and the Warriors:

    1. Create one or two more touches in each possession. It will help out the scorers too by taking pressure off of them. Right now, if you guard Monta (and before the latest injury, Curry), you can guard 50%+ of the scoring.

    2. Jeremy, if you're open, take some jumpers. With just more FG attempts, enough will fall to make it a threat.

    3. Pick up the pace as you bring the ball up. Right now, set plays are not working as well. This will likely increase your assist numbers because pick-and-roll is too slow to work. Pick-and-roll works as a system and the system isn't supporting a half-court play.

    Nothing new said here, but it happens to be true. Jeremy also needs to come in during the first half. Right now, even in close games, the starters are getting so tired staying even in the first half, there's no gas to finish the game.

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  64. >> Right now, even in close games, the starters
    >> are getting so tired staying even in the
    >> first half, there's no gas to finish the game.

    This has been Smart's style since the pre-season games.... exhaust the starters is like killing the "golden hen" to get more "eggs" (wins). 0-9 record for the last 10 games proofs this ...

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  65. Because I'm retired with lots of time on my hands, I decided to analyze the box scores from Saturdays games, comparing the "average" starting PG to #7's season averages. By "average" I mean those that aren't featured scorers (20+ points) There were 11 of them. I'm sure most of us would be thrilled if Jeremy became an "average" starting PG. Just comparing per minute, here's what I conclude:

    Scoring: He scores more per minute played than the average starter

    Rebounding: Basically the same, very slightly better rpm

    Assists: "starters" are much better. They have an average almost twice J's

    Turnovers: about the same

    Steals: JLin far superior He makes steals at a rate 3.96 times more often than "starters"

    Blocked shots is even better. He blocks at a rate 14.52 times more often

    My conclusions are that he needs more assists but the problem is he never handles the ball so that is hard. On the other hand, the fact that he makes turnovers at a rate about the same as starters is not good for the same reason: he doesn't handle the ball as much so his t/o rate should be less.

    It's very interesting that he scores at a better rate. Everyone's concern about shooting may be unfounded. On stats where he doesn't need the ball, he is already superior.

    Unfortunately, despite what coach Smart says, the W's are a team focused on scoring, not defense. I'm one of the ones that is starting to think he's better off elsewhere even though I'd like him to stay for numerous reasons.

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  66. Pointing out the usual litany of games where JL did well is merely anecdotical for this discussion. HS, UCONN, BC etc, those are levels of play that are miles away from the NBA level. If anything, the fact that his performance in the NBA is so different from the one in college is a clear sign that he is overmatched at the NBA level.

    The history of the NBA is littered with top-performing college players who never amounted to anything, and with middle-of-the-road college players that became all-stars. It is not a one-to-one mapping by any chance.

    Regarding the stats analysis by Ron, I'll leave it to the reader to figure out why it is completely invalid by just pointing out that there is a very good reason all stats require a 'minimum attempts' to be meaningful.

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  67. Jeremy, I hope you read this post. I'm basketball-ignorant in many ways, but I'm a fan of the game and of spectator sports in general, and I wish you success.

    First and foremost, don't listen to anyone blaming your coach and/or teammates; those posts are well-intentioned but they cannot help you. Believe in your coach and teammates, as well as yourself.

    Now, since you're from SF, I suppose you've heard of another Christian brother by the name of Jim Harbaugh, currently coach of Stanford. What you may not know is that for most of the first 8 years of his playing career, he looked somewhat lost as far as how to play his position on an NFL team. In his 9th year in the league, his coach at the time (Ted Marchibroda ?sp?) put him in a game where his team was behind and Jim had nothing to lose. The coach told him "just to be Jim Harbaugh." And a short time previous to that, Harbaugh's offensive coordinator Lindy Infante had taught him to throw low and away from the defender, and that became sort of his NFL "go-to-move" when in doubt. These two things in combination worked wonders for Jim Harbaugh's career, and for years after that he was a legitimate player in the league, then of course going on to a very successful coaching career.

    I agree with those who tell you just to play with more confidence. What do you have to lose? Take the risk and let it pan out. The other thing is, you need a go-to move that you can use when in doubt. As I said I'm no basketball expert, but how about mastering the Mark Jackson teardrop-before-getting-to-the basket? I've only seen you play on espn3 a few times, but I see you can get to the rim but have trouble finishing... maybe this could help?

    Anyway God Bless and I hope you all the best. Don't give up, don't be afraid of failure, and if you do fail don't worry about it so long as you gave it your best shot. And don't listen to anyone who complains about your coach or teammates!

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  68. Agree with some of Reality Now's points, but there is also a lot of exaggeration going on.

    "Pointing out the usual litany of games where JL did well is merely anecdotical for this discussion. HS, UCONN, BC etc, those are levels of play that are miles away from the NBA level."

    I don't see how listing the toughest part of Harvard's schedule in its entirety qualifies as anecdotal evidence, but I see your point that NCAA =/= NBA. Fair enough.

    "The history of the NBA is littered with top-performing college players who never amounted to anything, and with middle-of-the-road college players that became all-stars. It is not a one-to-one mapping by any chance."

    Since you've already made the point that college basketball is at a far lower level than the NBA, basically all you've added here is the possibility that even a player who doesn't stand out at the college level can excel in the NBA. Also fair.

    "Regarding the stats analysis by Ron, I'll leave it to the reader to figure out why it is completely invalid by just pointing out that there is a very good reason all stats require a 'minimum attempts' to be meaningful."

    Makes sense. Jeremy has only played a few minutes here and there, mostly in garbage time. It would be jumping the gun to make conclusory statements about his performance based on such a small sample size.

    "If anything, the fact that his performance in the NBA is so different from the one in college is a clear sign that he is overmatched at the NBA level."

    ... I don't see how this is any better. So because Jeremy hasn't DAZZLED you in what you have already labeled an insignificant sample of play time--at a level he is unused to playing at and is still adapting to--that means that he will always be overmatched at the NBA level? Maybe I'm missing something, but I was under the impression that one is not precluded from a successful career even if he's not an all-star in his rookie year.

    If you want to believe that you've already identified the ceiling on Jeremy Lin's ability, then go right ahead. You can take a seat next to all of the college scouts that passed him up.

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  69. if a guy named j.j redick can play in the nba so can jeremy lin. there about the same size, j.j can shoot the ball much better but jeremy is much more athletic and i dont think jeremy has ever airballed a layup lol

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  70. I think that the jj redick example is a good one. He is a player with limited skills that found a specialty and developed it to the max to stay in the NBA.

    My take is that that should be the potential path for Lin, a specialization that I believe should be on the defensive side. That would give him a spot in a numer of teams, especially those in contention. I just don't see Lin becoming an overall NBA-level player otherwise.

    True that we have only seen very limited action from Lin and what we have seen was in not productive circumstances. The worry I think is that the Warriors see Lin everyday in practice and they have concluded that his role should be the role he has now. That is not good news from any angle.

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  71. i think as the season goes on jeremy will start to become more relaxed and he will start to see his shots starting to fall in more because i feel like that jeremy is playing pretty nervously right now because he knows that everyone is analyzing every move he makes because well he is the first of his kind(an asian american) to play in the nba so when he steps out on the court who do u think people are gonna be watching especially in garbage time . as the season progresses the i think attention will start to fade and jeremy will start to be more relaxed and confident. i mean we all saw what he could do against john wall when hes confident and is actually getting the ball in his hands. i think it will be a matter of time when jeremy finds his rhythm on the offensive end and his numbers and percentages start go up a little and you can still tell hes trying to adjust to his new status and role as an nba player bc at havard he always had the ball in his hands and on golden state he sees limited mins with the ball

    that being said i think theres also some ego issues going on the likes of monta and steph because we all know they think very highly of themselves and they love to dominate the ball when theyre in the games and they also would probably have a fit if they thought werent getting enough playing time and coach keith smart would never let that happen bc hes kind of a bonehead i mean hes definitely not one of the best coaches in the nba by far but i guess hes not that bad.

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