Statistially, the starts are -15, -9 and -4 in the 1st quarter. So how about starting Lin, Biedrins, Lee, Ellis and Wright. After 8 minutes, depending on how Lin is playing, sub out Ellis with Curry on the guard. Make Curry a 2. As Curry and Ellis warm up, they seem to be playing *better* defense based just on stats. So they will be in a better defensive groove, Lin would have done his job. If he scores 0, not great. If he scores 2, fine. If he scores 10, that's just gravy. His goal is to keep the Warriors close while Curry/Ellis figures out their match-ups. Same for the beginning of the 2nd half. Before the doubters pipe up, I would like to understand the fallacy of this strategy.
said like a true jlin fanboy; although with a good basketball insight, but with a ridiculous bias. Those stats you brought up were during a span of a few minutes and aren't very reliable. By that method, you could make anyone seem reliable as a starter. Your argument would be valid if the stats you were using weren't unreliable.
I prefer "fanman" or "fandude". The minutes played were 9, 5 and 4. And yes, probably not enough minutes to be dispositive. But there is a consistency in the +/- numbers for JLin. Looking at last game again, the massive defensive meltdown happened early in the first quarter. Again, let me make my point. Put Jeremy in for 5 minutes then. I think there is enough anecdotal evidence for Jeremy to consistently playing good D for 5 minutes. He can set a tone for that 5 min. That could be huge for W who seem to melt down first then try to claw back afterwards.
The problem in the 1st quarter has been defense. If they can stop the other team from scoring 30+ points in the first quarter and shooting red hot ... they have a much better chance of winning.
Repeating the notion that Curry would be an effective 6th man. JLin is the logical option now to start (remind me who the W's got for Jason Richardson)until a big guard is acquired.
Armand you dumbass!!! Everyone, please excuse jlinsolja, he's a friend of mine whom I showed this blog to. He's a Laker fan and found it hilarious how retarded the comments are on here by other Laker fans.
i agree jlin should start. these players are so selfish. they only care about scoring and individual stats. what is the point of scoring 30 a night when you are letting the other guy score 30 too? that's a +/- of 0 or below for ellis and curry and the team on most nights.
i really like the +/- statistics. are there overall +/- ratings on curry and ellis? they don't play defense and it'll be interesting. i can't imagine they have high + numbers.
my recipe for success for dubs.. all they need is a good size shooting guard who can also defend. the answer: iggy. with lin playing the point. we all know lin can defend the best of them (even durant). so if lin can consistently lock down opponent's point guards, and iggy can hold his own offensively and defensively, then all they need to do to get other guys involved for a balanced attack. imagine a team with iggy/lin vs a team with curry/monta. i would definitely give the edge to iggy/lin.
ahh, you've been hearin trade rumors about iggy being on the block ehh??
However, I highly doubt that they'll be willing give up iggy despite rumors. If people think Monta doesn't know how to play unselfish basketball, they'd be surprised once Iguodala comes, plus he's more of a small forward, he rarely plays the 2.
If Steph and Monta start learning how to feed Lee and Biedrins in the post, Warriors should start winning. Lee use to average 22ppg last season; and for a long stretch, Biedrins averaged 15ppg at one point in 08. If Steph and Monta could get them to do taht again, specially Steph, then Warriors should start winning. Along with a continuing improvement in defense. Then yea, that would be the most readily and practical solution right now for Warriors to start winning
iggy don't shoot it well enough. with lin you need a great catch and shoot guy at the 2. not a slasher. we already got a slasher. and he's cutting our necks night in and night out.
Enough with the Monta bashing -- it's Steph who's the selfish baby. Curry can't play any D, allows a basket for every one he scores, and refuses to slide over to the 2 where he belongs. Nice "franchise" player you've got.
-Lin should backup Monta at PG -Reggie backs up Curry at SG -Bell has no reason to be on the team. It's a waste of everyone's time to keep him on the roster.
we aren't bashing monta or curry. we are just analyzing the situation. neither monta nor curry can defend sg/pg positions. but i rather see curry play the pg position than monta. bring in iggy 6'6" to play the sg position. curry/iggy with lin backing up curry would be nice.
1. Lin's +/- numbers were for few mins, so you need to normalize it to per quarter.
2. Lin's +/- numbers are mostly against backups, so they would probably be worse against starters.
3. As a fellow fandude, I would love to see Smart give your suggestion a try. But realistically, that's not how things work in the NBA. Unless you're a HOF coach, you can't have a star player come off the bench, even if it's more effective. That would make the player disgruntled and feel disrespected. But I would like to see Lin subbed in the 1st quarter to set some defensive tone.
The Mavericks had interest in JLin, most likely to groom him as a replacement for JKidd. It'll be interesting to see how Curry does in this matchup. Barnett and Fitz are pretty high on Steph but I agree he would be more helpful coming off the bench.
I favor Monta to be a 6th man. Think about some of the best 6th men you can recall: Ginobili, Travis Outlaw, Antawn Jamison etc. These are the guys bringing in the sparks, the energy, and the instant scoring. Lin is nearly ineffective on offense when pairing with Monta, since he game is based on movement basketball instead of the Monta-iso. Pop believed Ginobili is more valuable to the team when he's coming off the bench, and it worked. I don't think it's a demotion to Monta either. For the team as a whole, it's something that could work before any major trade happens
Anyone else kinda feeling Dallas was the better choice for Lin? I mean 5-8 midget Barea gets a consistent 20 minutes a game and Kidd is too old for full minutes, he's actually getting less than 30 lately. GS and Keith Dumb have managed to work a system with literally no backup point guard, that or alternating guard positions with monster minutes for Steph curry and ellis, eventually burning them out later on in the season. Dallas was also the initial team giving him a chance in the Summer League which put him on everyones radar.
Nah. Either Curry or Monta will be gone by season's end. Meanwhile, Beaubois comes back for Dallas.
Warriors lose another one in which the starters couldn't stop the Mavs bench and Monta and Curry turned the ball over like crazy. LOL. Serves Smart right.
Not a bad game, but I have seen the future. JLin is sitting there watching Kidd and Barrea, thinking he could easily match Kidd's defense, passing, and even scoring. Jeremy's agent is in Texas and was most likely at the game. Lin finishes his contract, either this year or next, and goes to Dallas.
I can already see the comments in the forums now about how the bench sucks and blame the TOs and late game mistakes on the bench and lack of a backup point guard because it makes the starters tired (thus the mistakes).
The Dubs are so bad now that even when it is close near the end, I have no confidence that they will tie much less win it. I pretty much only watch to see if they put Lin in. Sad.
Here in Chicago you can't see the game, but in reading the box score, it's hard to tell why the W's lost.
Everything on the scoreboard says they should have won. They had more points in the paint, more points off turnovers, more assists, better FG% and 3P%, only one less rebound....a-HA! I found it: Free Throws: W's shot less than half of what the M's shot. And 46% vs 74% FT percentage.
Yeap. You're right. Looking at the stats tonight, the Warriors just didn't play tough enough and they lost it in the FT area. If they were physical and attacking the basket, that might have gotten them over the hump. But nope. Another "L". Have to agree with the earlier post. I'm just checking to seeing if JLin played. :)
they don't need a freaking guard -- unless its some defensive stopper. what do they want? another point guard to come in and take more shots? give us a break...
can't they figure out that ONE of these starters -- that scores -- monta, wright, or curry needs to come off the bench and provide some punch.
"Anyone else kinda feeling Dallas was the better choice for Lin? ...Barea gets a consistent 20 minutes a game and Kidd is too old for full minutes, he's actually getting less than 30 lately."
Well, at the time, the Mavs had a logjam at PG with Kidd, Barea, and Beaubois. No one knew that Beaubois' injury would take this long. Lin would have been stuck in D league for at least a year.
If Lin could have made the Dallas roster instead of D league, then yeah, I think it would have been better. Lin would not be a drop in offense compared to Kidd, and Lin would be a better defender than Barea. Lin could learn from a HOF PG who is nearing the end of his career. When Kidd retires, Lin could already be groomed to replace him.
Meanwhile, Lin's on a team with a rookie coach, no true PG to mentor him, playing in an offense that is disorganized.
Here's a suggestion for Keith Smart. Play the numbers game. For the last 3 games, the 1st quarter scores were:
ReplyDelete32-17 (JLin7 +/- = -2)
31-20 (JLin7 +/- = -2)
30-26 (JLin7 +/- = 0)
Statistially, the starts are -15, -9 and -4 in the 1st quarter. So how about starting Lin, Biedrins, Lee, Ellis and Wright. After 8 minutes, depending on how Lin is playing, sub out Ellis with Curry on the guard. Make Curry a 2. As Curry and Ellis warm up, they seem to be playing *better* defense based just on stats. So they will be in a better defensive groove, Lin would have done his job. If he scores 0, not great. If he scores 2, fine. If he scores 10, that's just gravy. His goal is to keep the Warriors close while Curry/Ellis figures out their match-ups. Same for the beginning of the 2nd half. Before the doubters pipe up, I would like to understand the fallacy of this strategy.
@SKL
ReplyDeletesaid like a true jlin fanboy; although with a good basketball insight, but with a ridiculous bias. Those stats you brought up were during a span of a few minutes and aren't very reliable. By that method, you could make anyone seem reliable as a starter.
Your argument would be valid if the stats you were using weren't unreliable.
@Anon
ReplyDeleteI prefer "fanman" or "fandude". The minutes played were 9, 5 and 4. And yes, probably not enough minutes to be dispositive. But there is a consistency in the +/- numbers for JLin. Looking at last game again, the massive defensive meltdown happened early in the first quarter. Again, let me make my point. Put Jeremy in for 5 minutes then. I think there is enough anecdotal evidence for Jeremy to consistently playing good D for 5 minutes. He can set a tone for that 5 min. That could be huge for W who seem to melt down first then try to claw back afterwards.
The problem in the 1st quarter has been defense. If they can stop the other team from scoring 30+ points in the first quarter and shooting red hot ... they have a much better chance of winning.
ReplyDeletepics or it didnt happen. not a hater but a baiter
ReplyDeleteRepeating the notion that Curry would be an effective 6th man. JLin is the logical option now to start (remind me who the W's got for Jason Richardson)until a big guard is acquired.
ReplyDeleteim getting sick and tired of montas selfish attitude! trade him for picks and lets start the best future backcourt in the nba!
ReplyDeleteArmand you dumbass!!!
ReplyDeleteEveryone, please excuse jlinsolja, he's a friend of mine whom I showed this blog to. He's a Laker fan and found it hilarious how retarded the comments are on here by other Laker fans.
i agree jlin should start. these players are so selfish. they only care about scoring and individual stats. what is the point of scoring 30 a night when you are letting the other guy score 30 too? that's a +/- of 0 or below for ellis and curry and the team on most nights.
ReplyDeletei really like the +/- statistics. are there overall +/- ratings on curry and ellis? they don't play defense and it'll be interesting. i can't imagine they have high + numbers.
found +/- ratings on http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=2&season=22010&split=9&team=Warriors&pager.offset=25
ReplyDeletecurry and ellis: overall -18 in 525:34 mins.
my recipe for success for dubs..
ReplyDeleteall they need is a good size shooting guard who can also defend. the answer: iggy. with lin playing the point. we all know lin can defend the best of them (even durant). so if lin can consistently lock down opponent's point guards, and iggy can hold his own offensively and defensively, then all they need to do to get other guys involved for a balanced attack. imagine a team with iggy/lin vs a team with curry/monta. i would definitely give the edge to iggy/lin.
ahh, you've been hearin trade rumors about iggy being on the block ehh??
ReplyDeleteHowever, I highly doubt that they'll be willing give up iggy despite rumors. If people think Monta doesn't know how to play unselfish basketball, they'd be surprised once Iguodala comes, plus he's more of a small forward, he rarely plays the 2.
If Steph and Monta start learning how to feed Lee and Biedrins in the post, Warriors should start winning. Lee use to average 22ppg last season; and for a long stretch, Biedrins averaged 15ppg at one point in 08. If Steph and Monta could get them to do taht again, specially Steph, then Warriors should start winning.
Along with a continuing improvement in defense.
Then yea, that would be the most readily and practical solution right now for Warriors to start winning
iggy don't shoot it well enough. with lin you need a great catch and shoot guy at the 2. not a slasher. we already got a slasher. and he's cutting our necks night in and night out.
ReplyDeleteEnough with the Monta bashing -- it's Steph who's the selfish baby. Curry can't play any D, allows a basket for every one he scores, and refuses to slide over to the 2 where he belongs. Nice "franchise" player you've got.
ReplyDelete-Lin should backup Monta at PG
-Reggie backs up Curry at SG
-Bell has no reason to be on the team. It's a waste of everyone's time to keep him on the roster.
it's not always about stats guys. it's a game played by people. sometimes, winning and losing arent so predictable. that's why they play the games.
ReplyDeletewe aren't bashing monta or curry. we are just analyzing the situation. neither monta nor curry can defend sg/pg positions. but i rather see curry play the pg position than monta. bring in iggy 6'6" to play the sg position. curry/iggy with lin backing up curry would be nice.
ReplyDeleteeven if you put monta at the pg. that does nothing as he doesn't pass. it's just like putting a stamp on him with the "pg" label.
ReplyDelete@SKL:
ReplyDelete1. Lin's +/- numbers were for few mins, so you need to normalize it to per quarter.
2. Lin's +/- numbers are mostly against backups, so they would probably be worse against starters.
3. As a fellow fandude, I would love to see Smart give your suggestion a try. But realistically, that's not how things work in the NBA. Unless you're a HOF coach, you can't have a star player come off the bench, even if it's more effective. That would make the player disgruntled and feel disrespected. But I would like to see Lin subbed in the 1st quarter to set some defensive tone.
The Mavericks had interest in JLin, most likely to groom him as a replacement for JKidd. It'll be interesting to see how Curry does in this matchup. Barnett and Fitz are pretty high on Steph but I agree he would be more helpful coming off the bench.
ReplyDeleteI favor Monta to be a 6th man. Think about some of the best 6th men you can recall: Ginobili, Travis Outlaw, Antawn Jamison etc. These are the guys bringing in the sparks, the energy, and the instant scoring. Lin is nearly ineffective on offense when pairing with Monta, since he game is based on movement basketball instead of the Monta-iso. Pop believed Ginobili is more valuable to the team when he's coming off the bench, and it worked. I don't think it's a demotion to Monta either. For the team as a whole, it's something that could work before any major trade happens
ReplyDeletethese black players have too much ego. if ellis doesn't want to be a team player, what makes you think he would want to come off the bench?
ReplyDeleteLoL @ making monta a 6th man.
ReplyDeleteseriously.
A little too bias SKL...
ReplyDeleteBut hurry up and put J-Lin on now!
as long as it's close or they are down, no way will smart put in lin. their plan is to shoot their way back in
ReplyDeleteAnyone else kinda feeling Dallas was the better choice for Lin? I mean 5-8 midget Barea gets a consistent 20 minutes a game and Kidd is too old for full minutes, he's actually getting less than 30 lately. GS and Keith Dumb have managed to work a system with literally no backup point guard, that or alternating guard positions with monster minutes for Steph curry and ellis, eventually burning them out later on in the season. Dallas was also the initial team giving him a chance in the Summer League which put him on everyones radar.
ReplyDeleteNah. Either Curry or Monta will be gone by season's end. Meanwhile, Beaubois comes back for Dallas.
ReplyDeleteWarriors lose another one in which the starters couldn't stop the Mavs bench and Monta and Curry turned the ball over like crazy. LOL. Serves Smart right.
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ReplyDeleteNot a bad game, but I have seen the future. JLin is sitting there watching Kidd and Barrea, thinking he could easily match Kidd's defense, passing, and even scoring. Jeremy's agent is in Texas and was most likely at the game. Lin finishes his contract, either this year or next, and goes to Dallas.
ReplyDeleteI can already see the comments in the forums now about how the bench sucks and blame the TOs and late game mistakes on the bench and lack of a backup point guard because it makes the starters tired (thus the mistakes).
ReplyDeleteThe Dubs are so bad now that even when it is close near the end, I have no confidence that they will tie much less win it. I pretty much only watch to see if they put Lin in. Sad.
Here in Chicago you can't see the game, but in reading the box score, it's hard to tell why the W's lost.
ReplyDeleteEverything on the scoreboard says they should have won. They had more points in the paint, more points off turnovers, more assists, better FG% and 3P%, only one less rebound....a-HA! I found it: Free Throws: W's shot less than half of what the M's shot. And 46% vs 74% FT percentage.
This is the story of the W's season.
Yeap. You're right. Looking at the stats tonight, the Warriors just didn't play tough enough and they lost it in the FT area. If they were physical and attacking the basket, that might have gotten them over the hump. But nope. Another "L". Have to agree with the earlier post. I'm just checking to seeing if JLin played. :)
ReplyDeletethey lost because their starters played the entire game and got tired but didn't utilize their bench at all. story of keith smarts coaching career.
ReplyDelete@chuckles
ReplyDeleteyup. talk has been about getting a backup point guard. i thought they had one in lin?
they don't need a freaking guard -- unless its some defensive stopper. what do they want? another point guard to come in and take more shots? give us a break...
ReplyDeletecan't they figure out that ONE of these starters -- that scores -- monta, wright, or curry needs to come off the bench and provide some punch.
"Anyone else kinda feeling Dallas was the better choice for Lin? ...Barea gets a consistent 20 minutes a game and Kidd is too old for full minutes, he's actually getting less than 30 lately."
ReplyDeleteWell, at the time, the Mavs had a logjam at PG with Kidd, Barea, and Beaubois. No one knew that Beaubois' injury would take this long. Lin would have been stuck in D league for at least a year.
If Lin could have made the Dallas roster instead of D league, then yeah, I think it would have been better. Lin would not be a drop in offense compared to Kidd, and Lin would be a better defender than Barea. Lin could learn from a HOF PG who is nearing the end of his career. When Kidd retires, Lin could already be groomed to replace him.
Meanwhile, Lin's on a team with a rookie coach, no true PG to mentor him, playing in an offense that is disorganized.